(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[3600]OT[10x30 byo-yomi]
PW[mingjiu (Ming-jiu Jiang)]PB[cloudnotes (Andy Liu)]WR[7p]BR[1p]DT[2018-08-24]EV[2018 Tianfu Cup Preliminary]RO[5]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[cloudnotes [-\]: Hello, goo dluck
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[pd]BL[3588.953]
;W[dd]WL[3565.664]
;B[dp]BL[3586.499]
;W[qp]WL[3527.165]
;B[oq]BL[3585.147]
;W[pn]WL[3501.439]
;B[cc]BL[3583.455]C[kmr [2d\]: Before strong bots, Q6 was rather rare, now its one of most frequent responses to low kakari
]
;W[cd]WL[3325.956]
;B[dc]BL[3579.912]
;W[ec]WL[3283.727]
;B[eb]BL[3578.451]
;W[fb]WL[3275.779]
;B[fc]BL[3575.398]
;W[ed]WL[3273.215]
;B[gb]BL[3574.446]
;W[db]WL[3269.084]
;B[fa]BL[3573.696]
;W[cb]WL[3268.419]
;B[ql]BL[3572.68]C[DapperDan [1d\]: White is really thinking 
]
;W[lp]WL[3048.236]
;B[jq]BL[3364.441]C[akinn [5k?\]: m3?
vaansama [-\]: oh old joseki
]
;W[qf]WL[2854.127]
;B[np]BL[3294.811]C[kmr [2d\]: omg, almosty like Shusaku kosumi! ;)
]
;W[qi]WL[2752.497]C[kmr [2d\]: O6 looks nice for black
]
;B[pj]BL[3244.999]
;W[qj]WL[2729.948]
;B[nn]BL[3142.1]C[goodvibes [1k\]: Does anyone know if these two have ever played each other before ?
Xpert [4d\]: yes
kmr [2d\]: i think many times
kmr [2d\]: several years ago, it would be huge surprise if Andy win, but now i guess most people would bet on him
spacetime [4d\]: I think Andy's been at least as strong as Mingjiu, Fengyun, other retired pros in the US for a long time. He beat both of them in 2009 for to win the Ing Masters, for example
]
;W[pl]WL[2524.604]
;B[pk]BL[3120.098]
;W[ol]WL[2520.847]
;B[qk]BL[3116.49]
;W[qm]WL[2517.492]C[goodvibes [1k\]: awesome, thanks for the background story!
kmr [2d\]: damn Spacetime, its already 2018 and it was in 2009 lol, time flies too fast
lAmaterasu [1d\]: ＊Who is Cloudnotes?
]
;B[nj]BL[3047.284]C[lAmaterasu [1d\]: .
]
;W[ml]WL[2509.144]C[kmr [2d\]: Andy Liu 1p
lAmaterasu [1d\]: Thanks :) 
kmr [2d\]: you welcome
spacetime [4d\]: Shameless plug - if you want to see the story of How Andy became the first American Pro, watch "The Surrounding Game", which will be on Netflix next Month!
frankly: I can second that - it was really worth watching.
frankly: Very well made, and with a surprising amount of humor.
goodvibes [1k\]: oh you are Will? Yeah that documentary was awesome, congratulations
]
;B[qq]BL[2964.127]C[kmr [2d\]: what is "shameless plug" ?
anayami [?\]: Yep! It's the reason I and quite a few friends picked Go up again
spacetime [4d\]: hey thanks!
]
;W[rq]WL[2465.819]
;B[pp]BL[2961.465]
;W[qo]WL[2458.111]C[Petrosian [3k\]: M6?
]
;B[ph]BL[2885.514]
;W[of]WL[2370.619]
;B[qh]BL[2881.033]
;W[nd]WL[2367.191]C[lAmaterasu [1d\]: oh I'm from Latin America, I think we'll have to wait for it to come out on netflix here, I hope it's soon! : D
fly [1k\]: interesting trade
]
;B[nc]BL[2864.039]C[fly [1k\]: w will build a wall then attack the ponuki?
Petrosian [3k\]: looks good for b
Petrosian [3k\]: ponnuki is already strong
fly [1k\]: So, what is w's plan?
XXNINJAXX [4d\]: Build a wall then attack the ponnuki doesn't sound like a plan I'd ever want to have
]
;W[qc]WL[2268.763]C[randaoms: the reason you are only 4d
rubicon [3d\]: i love this move
fly [1k\]: Huh, steal the corner...
Petrosian [3k\]: i thought that looked nice
dash [-\]: s14 idea
Petrosian [3k\]: B has to defend at q17?
Petrosian [3k\]: Or will R16 work?
rubicon [3d\]: i dont think q17 is good
Petrosian [3k\]: maybe r16 will work
fly [1k\]: p15 might be fun
kmr [2d\]: attacking black ponnuki is rahter hard to achieve
rubicon [3d\]: r16 probably is much better
fly [1k\]: ...or n16 to use the awesome power of the ponuki you all seem to like?
dreamz [9d\]: r16 looks required
rubicon [3d\]: R16 Q17 P17 S16 ?
Petrosian [3k\]: S16?
rubicon [3d\]: oh just cut
dreamz [9d\]: yes and then white gets his broken shape again :(
rubicon [3d\]: seems complicated though
goodvibes [1k\]: poo
goodvibes [1k\]: plz excuse me, my younger sister grabbed the keyboard
rubicon [3d\]: i dont think it works petrosian
monstralex [10k?\]: ?
Petrosian [3k\]: well i was thinking p16 instead of p17
]
;B[qd]BL[2595.85]C[Petrosian [3k\]: b will have running fight with p14 i think
fly [1k\]: if s16 s15 s14 threatens to save the R11 stones
fly [1k\]: so Mr dreamz: what will w do?
rubicon [3d\]: i think he has to q17, right?
dreamz [9d\]: q17 ofc
fly [1k\]: Then why is he thinking?
rubicon [3d\]: but maybe mingjiu will surprise us
rubicon [3d\]: he is reading
dreamz [9d\]: if s16 black would play q17 
rubicon [3d\]: yes then maybe w r18?
Petrosian [3k\]: but is s16 good here?
rubicon [3d\]: but no, i think w will play q17
rubicon [3d\]: s16 is usually considered "soft"
GodofGo [9d\]: depending on the sequence he prefers he could choose maybe p17 or p16 to force it
fly [1k\]: oh... p17 makes n17 sente?
dreamz [9d\]: Here though if you try to play p17 or p16 black can q17
GodofGo [9d\]: is that necessarily bad?
GodofGo [9d\]: hm maybe corner's still big
]
;W[pc]WL[1881.95]C[dreamz [9d\]: locally bad
GodofGo [9d\]: yeah this is the natural one
]
;B[oc]BL[2578.81]
;W[od]WL[1879.804]C[rubicon [3d\]: i dont see any other sequence than this one :)
]
;B[rc]BL[2577.14]C[fly [1k\]: ha! 5 minutes to play the obvious move...
]
;W[rb]WL[1876.25]
;B[rd]BL[2574.779]C[GodofGo [9d\]: q18 
rubicon [3d\]: yes there's some sort of ko there
GodofGo [9d\]: do not like this for b
rubicon [3d\]: i dont like it for w...
]
;W[pb]WL[1826.697]C[rubicon [3d\]: lol
Petrosian [3k\]: N17 or S14?
rubicon [3d\]: surely not s14
]
;B[ob]BL[2534.221]C[rubicon [3d\]: yes this
GodofGo [9d\]: q19 
rubicon [3d\]: R19 P19 Q19 T18 ?
Petrosian [3k\]: whaa
rubicon [3d\]: hmm no
GodofGo [9d\]: or just r19 lol
rubicon [3d\]: R19 M17 T18 S14 
dreamz [9d\]: I think r19 but it's very similar
]
;W[qa]WL[1731.119]C[fly [1k\]: so, ko?
GodofGo [9d\]: nah w won't t18
kmr [2d\]: i smell ko
rubicon [3d\]: probably not kmr
kmr [2d\]: thats bad
kmr [2d\]: i like ko
dreamz [9d\]: it's possible for white to kill s17
rubicon [3d\]: i think its not a great ko for b
]
;B[lc]BL[2495.978]C[rubicon [3d\]: N17 N18 N16 P19 Q19 L18 T18 S14 
Petrosian [3k\]: so doesn't S14 connect?
GodofGo [9d\]: wait a minute...
dreamz [9d\]: s13 s12 t17 
]
;W[rg]WL[1635.112]C[GodofGo [9d\]: yeah 
]
;B[oa]BL[2488.851]C[rubicon [3d\]: ignore
fly [1k\]: good call
]
;W[pa]WL[1631.078]
;B[sb]BL[2485.948]C[dreamz [9d\]: oh black refuses to sacrifice
GodofGo [9d\]: can't respond obviously
rubicon [3d\]: we got our wish
rubicon [3d\]: ko
]
;W[rh]WL[1625.315]C[GodofGo [9d\]: so annoying for b
dreamz [9d\]: Well you can respond it is just a sacrifice
rubicon [3d\]: its almost dead though, right?
fly [1k\]: why didn't w throw-in at t17 first?
]
;B[md]BL[2458.788]C[Fantleroy [?\]: this looks pretty unpleasant
rubicon [3d\]: w can throwin at any time fly
fly [1k\]: Huh, after teh ko starts?
rubicon [3d\]: if b starts the ko, w doesnt care
rubicon [3d\]: but b doesnt want to start the ko, thats super slow
fly [1k\]: ah...
dreamz [9d\]: the throwin isn't good for white
rubicon [3d\]: its a good ko threat :)
kmr [2d\]: now ko looks liek inevitable
]
;W[mf]WL[1539.331]C[Fantleroy [?\]: it makes the ko two-steps, right ?
dreamz [9d\]: throwin isn't a threat
randaoms: corner is way too small
rubicon [3d\]: it theatens to live?
dreamz [9d\]: yes throwin makes the ko harder for white to win
rubicon [3d\]: i dont mean a local threat
Petrosian [3k\]: w cant play it as a threat bc b would win the ko by capturing
rubicon [3d\]: i mean a ko threat in general
]
;B[lj]BL[2401.189]C[Petrosian [3k\]: oh, for another ko?
dreamz [9d\]: oh but it's very damaging as a ko threat
Petrosian [3k\]: I suppose so, but dreamz said it would still be bad
rubicon [3d\]: yeah, i mean t17 is a waste of a ko threat
dreamz [9d\]: loses at least 5 points
rubicon [3d\]: also, like dreamz said it loses a lib
fly [1k\]: dreamz: excuse my brain, but would you be so kind as to explain why it loses 5+ points?
Fantleroy [?\]: as it stands, black doesn't need to play a ko to capture the 6 white stones
rubicon [3d\]: lets say w wants to start the ko
rubicon [3d\]: w would play s15 first
fly [1k\]: (er... *lack* of brain)
rubicon [3d\]: if b captures
]
;W[kl]WL[1419.017]C[rubicon [3d\]: after the ko, the lives
]
;B[jj]BL[2386.564]C[dreamz [9d\]: when black makes a ko at s19, if white captures at t17 white is alive ko over
rubicon [3d\]: if w had sacrificed 1 stone, it would be a ko for a ko
dreamz [9d\]: if there is a black stone at t16 white cannot end the ko in one move
fly [1k\]: ah, right; thank you
Petrosian [3k\]: ah, of course
Petrosian [3k\]: don't blindly throw in!
]
;W[ko]WL[1341.095]C[Fantleroy [?\]: i wonder how many semeais i lost because of a throw-in I played
Petrosian [3k\]: well often it is good
Petrosian [3k\]: tesuji
Petrosian [3k\]: just not here.
]
;B[kp]BL[2313.624]C[ZhiangT: You can make opponents dead group alive by throwing in
Petrosian [3k\]: that's interesting
Petrosian [3k\]: L4, i mean
fly [1k\]: "angle wedge"!
Fantleroy [?\]: I would have expected smth like m2 
]
;W[ip]WL[1284.984]C[DapperDan [1d\]: Complicated
]
;B[lq]BL[2296.859]C[Petrosian [3k\]: ok i never would have considered j4
]
;W[cn]WL[1265.725]C[spacetime [4d\]: L4 shows why I know nothing
]
;B[bo]BL[2283.365]C[dreamz [9d\]: l4 is cool 
Petrosian [3k\]: makes me feel better if a 4d says that
Fantleroy [?\]: ok guys, who do you prefer here ?
kmr [2d\]: L4 might be not good move, but i am way too weak to judge, just might
randaoms: white
dreamz [9d\]: prefer black
frankly: black
Petrosian [3k\]: ya black
frozensoul [9d?\]: the position is interesting 
]
;W[dk]WL[1214.659]C[rubicon [3d\]: i like b too
Petrosian [3k\]: although b has to win ko in top right, don't know if that's easy or not
]
;B[bf]BL[2271.138]C[Petrosian [3k\]: can anyone explain why b played B5?
fly [1k\]: how much will it cost b to make that weak group safe?
kmr [2d\]: to protect corner
Petrosian [3k\]: rather than a simple c5 or c4?
Petrosian [3k\]: or b4?
randaoms: it will cost 10
]
;W[bd]WL[1161.171]
;B[ci]BL[2267.678]C[Fantleroy [?\]: maybe because f3 white next won't be very severe ?
]
;W[cj]WL[1142.547]
;B[di]BL[2264.516]
;W[fj]WL[1139.49]C[fly [1k\]: w tries to give b two weak groups?
Fantleroy [?\]: f10 was played in 3 seconds, wow
Petrosian [3k\]: yeah
Petrosian [3k\]: it is natural looking
frozensoul [9d?\]: standard
Petrosian [3k\]: but i probably would have missed it
randaoms: petrosian
randaoms: 99% of us would have
Fantleroy [?\]: I would try to be extra careful about playing instantly moves i consider standard in a middle-game situation
dreamz [9d\]: All the thinking for f10 probably came the move before
dreamz [9d\]: since white knew black would extend after the kick
Fantleroy [?\]: but for sure a 7p is not to be fooled like me
GodofGo [9d\]: it's just standard pretty much..
frozensoul [9d?\]: yea
frozensoul [9d?\]: you kick to play this move
frozensoul [9d?\]: if black was afraid he wouldnt have nobid
fly [1k\]: Uh... *when* is it standard after the kick
Petrosian [3k\]: it's v nice to split k10
]
;B[fh]BL[2104.218]C[Petrosian [3k\]: honstely i'm not sure i've ever seen it quite like that
frozensoul [9d?\]: variations similar to this are in quite a few games lol
frozensoul [9d?\]: make black heavy then surround
frozensoul [9d?\]: simple idea
fly [1k\]: When w is setting up to attack a group to the right, or just to get out to the center?
Petrosian [3k\]: yes, i like it very much, but it doesn't look standard to me.
]
;W[hi]WL[1095.78]
;B[ik]BL[2085.214]C[Fantleroy [?\]: i hope w's next move is also a keima
Petrosian [3k\]: k12?
Petrosian [3k\]: g8?
Fantleroy [?\]: any
Petrosian [3k\]: i'm just going to list all the keima
Fantleroy [?\]: no, please
Petrosian [3k\]: e5?
Fantleroy [?\]: that would be a lot of them
Petrosian [3k\]: well, n2 doesn't count
Petrosian [3k\]: not too many
Petrosian [3k\]: g15
Fantleroy [?\]: s1 does, though
Petrosian [3k\]: that's not keima
Petrosian [3k\]: you mean r1?
Fantleroy [?\]: no, r3 to s1 
fly [1k\]: How will w continue?
Petrosian [3k\]: we're doing this for w stones
]
;W[gg]WL[978.216]C[Petrosian [3k\]: haha
Fantleroy [?\]: ah, yes, for some reason i inverted colors
Fantleroy [?\]: yes ! yes !!!
Petrosian [3k\]: i didn't list that one though
]
;B[fg]BL[2061.786]C[Petrosian [3k\]: more thorough next time
Petrosian [3k\]: f14
]
;W[gf]WL[963.892]C[fly [1k\]: w will build strength attacking this side then return to the center group?
]
;B[df]BL[2054.836]C[Sorry [8d\]: appears to be his plan
Petrosian [3k\]: which center group?
ZhiangT: which tournament is this?
Petrosian [3k\]: d9?
Petrosian [3k\]: Tianfu Cup Preliminary
Fantleroy [?\]: the black group in the center
Petrosian [3k\]: oh right
dreamz [9d\]: must fix e9
Petrosian [3k\]: d14 is alive?
ZhiangT: yes, i think
fly [1k\]: fix it with f8?
]
;W[ki]WL[858.527]C[Petrosian [3k\]: yes more keima
Petrosian [3k\]: no.
dreamz [9d\]: g8 or h9 is faster
frozensoul [9d?\]: whites outside shape isnt really strong enough to kill
frozensoul [9d?\]: so black should be fine
]
;B[kj]BL[2044.127]C[Petrosian [3k\]: thats what i thought
frozensoul [9d?\]: in similar situations, if you lean on the white group with the center black stones to get the middle healthy then white might have some ideas of attacking severely
frozensoul [9d?\]: but atm prob not
Fantleroy [?\]: what would be a satisfying way to protect e9 ?
Petrosian [3k\]: then white would attack what?
fly [1k\]: so... is the L10 group in trouble?
frozensoul [9d?\]: the left
]
;W[ef]WL[772.162]C[GodofGo [9d\]: w's gonna attack top first
dreamz [9d\]: e9 lets go
GodofGo [9d\]: yeah b's gotta counter
dreamz [9d\]: this is tragic to play there while e9 is available
]
;B[eg]BL[2018.593]C[GodofGo [9d\]: oof
GodofGo [9d\]: h17 
fly [1k\]: h17?  No, no; I've been told you can't attack that ponuki!
Fantleroy [?\]: fake news, fly
Petrosian [3k\]: h17??
]
;W[hc]WL[696.831]C[Petrosian [3k\]: omg
Fantleroy [?\]: good call
GodofGo [9d\]: i mean.. he played e14 for a reason
ZhiangT: j17 
dreamz [9d\]: still e9
Fantleroy [?\]: visual representation of a leaning attack
MagnusC [8d?\]: Shape point also standard
dreamz [9d\]: Just play e9 is my new motto
fly [1k\]: No, really, a player I trusted claimed there was no point to attacking it!
GodofGo [9d\]: is e9 really that big?
supernova [7d\]: not at all
GodofGo [9d\]: w can just ladder it now
]
;B[ic]BL[1945.89]C[dreamz [9d\]: I would be happy to take c8
]
;W[id]WL[686.445]
;B[ib]BL[1940.531]C[Fantleroy [?\]: but then, quite some trouble in the center, no ?
kmr [2d\]: as black i would fear for L10 group for sure 
Petrosian [3k\]: h17 is just sente reduction?
dreamz [9d\]: the black e13 group isn't alive yet
dreamz [9d\]: so it's nice to get points while living with it
sh [5k\]: What is the status of r19
Fantleroy [?\]: egg is the status
Petrosian [3k\]: b will have to kill eventually
ZhiangT: e13 not alive? how to kill?
]
;W[hl]WL[623.944]C[Fantleroy [?\]: b can kill without ko in one move
GodofGo [9d\]: called it
GodofGo [9d\]: in my head
fly [1k\]: w can make ko by s15?
]
;B[ng]BL[1927.128]C[Fantleroy [?\]: w can force a ko whenever he wants
]
;W[nf]WL[612.506]C[Fantleroy [?\]: that's cheating, godofgo
GodofGo [9d\]: wanted to do this after n11 but w prob can't get away fully with n11 sente
UBIK [2k\]: is b ahead?
dreamz [9d\]: c13 c14 b11 b12 b10 
Fantleroy [?\]: on the board, most likely
Petrosian [3k\]: as long as j9 lives b should be ok
randaoms: how can b be ahead off the board?
]
;B[lh]BL[1873.758]C[Jake [1k\]: how solid is d4?
Petrosian [3k\]: he stands up
Fantleroy [?\]: ↑
Fantleroy [?\]: also, he is ahead on the clock
MagnusC [8d?\]: D4 isnt relevent atm
Jake [1k\]: ok
Fantleroy [?\]: what I meant is that, black has some issues with two groups and some ko aji, but otherwise he's ahead
Petrosian [3k\]: maybe w is making ko threats?
fly [1k\]: If he loses a big group, he is *not* ahead!
agcStupGod [9d\]: obvious w is ahead
GodofGo [9d\]: yeah c13 locally kills but prob wouldn't kill b
Fantleroy [?\]: ko looks quite small at this stage
Fantleroy [?\]: is that so, agc ?
]
;W[dr]WL[516.644]C[fly [1k\]: lol
Sorry [8d\]: lovely
Petrosian [3k\]: ko will become big
Jake [1k\]: not relevent???
]
;B[dq]BL[1854.1]C[Petrosian [3k\]: i will never understand d2
Fantleroy [?\]: why not ?
randaoms: petrosian, ko will become big only in like 40 moves
agcStupGod [9d\]: and c13 cannot kill that group is alive....
]
;W[er]WL[501.297]C[randaoms: or even more
randaoms: i say 60 moves
justafool [1d\]: lizzie likes white as two is to one
]
;B[cr]BL[1840.27]C[Sorry [8d\]: c5 ? 
Petrosian [3k\]: 66%?
agcStupGod [9d\]: b2 now for w
fly [1k\]: "randaoms says: ko will start at move 160"
]
;W[br]WL[480.042]
;B[cs]BL[1830.523]C[randaoms: about that
kmr [2d\]: so 58 moves to go
agcStupGod [9d\]: then b3
agcStupGod [9d\]: or c5
Sorry [8d\]: now c5
GodofGo [9d\]: c555
agcStupGod [9d\]: either way
Petrosian [3k\]: c5?
]
;W[co]WL[448.442]C[Petrosian [3k\]: why?
Sorry [8d\]: read a little bit
agcStupGod [9d\]: common joseki
fly [1k\]: Hey! It's like this is a pattern you strong players know!
Petrosian [3k\]: is it just 1 eye now?
Petrosian [3k\]: i've never seen this 
agcStupGod [9d\]: b is okay down there
agcStupGod [9d\]: b3
]
;B[bq]BL[1788.726]C[randaoms: just lost many points
fly [1k\]: Pet: you are 3k! That's why.
agcStupGod [9d\]: c4 again 
agcStupGod [9d\]: and time to leave
]
;W[cp]WL[431.464]
;B[cq]BL[1787.782]
;W[bp]WL[421.321]C[MagnusC [8d?\]: @randoms its not points if he could be taken lol
]
;B[gq]BL[1782.665]
;W[iq]WL[419.015]
;B[fp]BL[1772.905]
;W[jd]WL[410.992]C[Petrosian [3k\]: is k16 sente?
randaoms: yes
dreamz [9d\]: no
fly [1k\]: else h17 is nasty
]
;B[jm]BL[1718.006]C[randaoms: haha
Petrosian [3k\]: you mean h18?
dreamz [9d\]: black is good to ignore
fly [1k\]: y
GodofGo [9d\]: it just has a big follow up but not fully sente
dreamz [9d\]: l18 h16 
]
;W[jp]WL[374.146]
;B[kq]BL[1715.248]C[fly [1k\]: then k18?
Fantleroy [?\]: l18 h16 l17 
Fantleroy [?\]: looks pretty painful
UBIK [2k\]: noob question: isnt r2  big?
Sorry [8d\]: yes, large endgame
randaoms: it is
Sorry [8d\]: very large
Fantleroy [?\]: it is a huge endgame
Petrosian [3k\]: well considering L10 isn't alive, it's still small
randaoms: they just got no time to play
Fantleroy [?\]: like , at least "wow that is a lot of points" points worth
UBIK [2k\]: thx
Petrosian [3k\]: also the L18 sequence seems bigger
randaoms: h16 protects against l18
ZhiangT: @dreamz: c13 b13 c14 c12 c15 b10 b9 b11 a12 e10 e9 f11 is alive?
]
;W[hn]WL[270.252]C[randaoms: among many others, h6 is the kind of move i never think off
fly [1k\]: Where will b make eyes for the center group?
]
;B[in]BL[1687.935]C[Petrosian [3k\]: h6 looks very natural
Petrosian [3k\]: also it's keima, so it's always good
Fantleroy [?\]: ↑↑↑
Sorry [8d\]: black is alive topside
GodofGo [9d\]: c13 just c14
MagnusC [8d?\]: Funny ive died with keimas before :/ lol
ZhiangT: c13 c14 b11 b12 b10 is locally 1 eye?
randaoms: j6 is good
]
;W[ho]WL[169.046]
;B[bi]BL[1686.612]C[Petrosian [3k\]: there you go zhiang
Sorry [8d\]: he loves his points 
Sorry [8d\]: no, it was seki life.
GodofGo [9d\]: this is huge
Sorry [8d\]: black could have e11  after your sequence for seki 
Sorry [8d\]: but this is huge points wise
]
;W[mq]WL[133.432]C[fly [1k\]: wow
Sorry [8d\]: trying to get k2  ? 
fly [1k\]: to fix the aji
Petrosian [3k\]: so Andy needs some magic now to save l10
Petrosian [3k\]: L10
GodofGo [9d\]: definitely k2 next
Sorry [8d\]: yes, nice endgame sequence
Petrosian [3k\]: serious?
fly [1k\]: ...to attack the center?
]
;B[mp]BL[1563.71]
;W[lo]WL[128.67]
;B[mr]BL[1561.935]C[GodofGo [9d\]: ok..
]
;W[mk]WL[115.98]C[GodofGo [9d\]: it's still good enough
Sorry [8d\]: ah, apologize 
kmr [2d\]: time to kill ;)
]
;B[ih]BL[1534.261]C[Petrosian [3k\]: kill w kill
]
;W[kh]WL[96.157]C[fly [1k\]: w has time trouble for this difficult attack?
]
;B[kg]BL[1494.572]C[dreamz [9d\]: No killing here only points
]
;W[jg]WL[86.211]C[Petrosian [3k\]: oh wow, who would hae expected Andy to have 25 minutes more than his opponent?
]
;B[jh]BL[1473.159]C[dreamz [9d\]: at the same time black can't win by just living, he has to make enough points at the same time
]
;W[lg]WL[78.399]
;B[kf]BL[1472.241]
;W[li]WL[69.565]C[Sorry [8d\]: eh? 
GodofGo [9d\]: oof
]
;B[mj]BL[1465.842]C[GodofGo [9d\]: rip
GodofGo [9d\]: not dead* but still
kmr [2d\]: but...how no killing?!This game without killing is like war without battles
Petrosian [3k\]: will j14 work?
]
;W[jf]WL[45.488]
;B[le]BL[1464.814]
;W[mh]WL[43.351]
;B[if]BL[1461.013]C[Petrosian [3k\]: i guess not
randaoms: oh
]
;W[je]WL[23.93]C[GodofGo [9d\]: w needs to be careful here..
Petrosian [3k\]: will we finally see e9?
]
;B[hk]BL[1447.284]C[dreamz [9d\]: There might be killing after all
Petrosian [3k\]: someone will die
kmr [2d\]: sure thing, killing is essential ;)
GodofGo [9d\]: let's see here how badly w wants to kill..
GodofGo [9d\]: he shouldn't go for it imo lol doesn't need to
fly [1k\]: w kills, w wins?
]
;W[gl]WL[30]OW[9]C[Sorry [8d\]: of course-
fly [1k\]: Oh? w is ahead?
kmr [2d\]: i guess Minjiu would be just happpy with win on poinst, his ego does not need kill, mine need
randaoms: to not touch h16 is convenient for  both haha
AlphaG0 [-\]: my ego is bigger than your ego
rubicon [3d\]: b looks ahead to me
]
;B[gj]BL[1396.171]C[spacetime [4d\]: B dead?
]
;W[gi]WL[30]OW[9]C[rubicon [3d\]: if it all lives, that is
Petrosian [3k\]: b just connected?
]
;B[ig]BL[1385.094]C[rubicon [3d\]: im just talking about points, not life&death ^^
]
;W[he]WL[30]OW[9]
;B[gd]BL[1373.539]
;W[hd]WL[30]OW[9]
;B[fi]BL[1357.898]
;W[hb]WL[30]OW[9]C[cloudnotes [-\]: thanks
mingjiu [7p\]: thx
Sorry [8d\]: gg 
kmr [2d\]: so, afterall - no ko!
rubicon [3d\]: oh, this kills the top
AGATD [-\]: Congratulations to Ming-jiu Jiang 7P, who, along with Eric Lui 1P will be the North American representatives to the Tianfu Cup!
AGATD [-\]: Thanks to all the participants who have played this week: Dalhoon Ahn 9P, Feng Yun 9P, Ming-jiu Jiang 7P, Andy Liu 1P, Eric Lui 1P, Huiren Yang 1P, Ryan Li 1P, and Stephanie Yin 1P.
fly [1k\]: When is that?
kmr [2d\]: damn, that game was thrilling, gg
Jake [1k\]: gg
fly [1k\]: Thanks AGATD!
AGATD [-\]: It's the end of September in China.
AGATD [-\]: This is Tournament Director Jeff Shaevel, signing off. :)
lonepeak: i was for cloud, sad he lost(
Petrosian [3k\]: yeah i guess this is too painful
Petrosian [3k\]: or maybe just dead
kmr [2d\]: i wonder where Leela points worst move by black, i still dont like L4
lonepeak: b invastion in the left side seems very bad
kmr [2d\]: you mean B14-C11?yeah that looks suspicous, but what instead?
lonepeak: bot move mb to the d9 stone=)
lonepeak: after f10 - black was behind enemy line
Lsugyen [5d?\]: yes Mingjiu!
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