(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[5400]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
GN[2018 US Open Masters, round 8 - Michael Chen 7d (w) vs Ahn Dalhoon 9p (b)]PW[Michael Chen]PB[Ahn Dalhoon]WR[7d]BR[9p]DT[2018-07-27]RO[8]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Dave Weimer]C[USGO1 [-\]: Live from the U.S. Go Congress...
USGO1 [-\]: round 8 of the Masters will begin in 10 minutes
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[pd]
;W[dd]C[KoyoToya [1k\]: W is also known as zyoda
]
;B[pp]
;W[dp]
;B[fq]
;W[qq]
;B[pq]
;W[qp]
;B[qn]C[honku [1k\]: Winner of Zirui Song vs. Eric Lui might be Dalhoon's opponent in the last round?
]
;W[qo]
;B[pn]
;W[po]
;B[oo]
;W[pr]
;B[or]
;W[on]
;B[no]
;W[qr]
;B[nq]
;W[nn]
;B[pl]
;W[mo]
;B[np]C[Xorax [-\]: hmm
Xorax [-\]: why o4?
Meepy [-\]: wat?
Jorgen [7k\]: easy win for w
agcStupGod [9d\]: q8 is really weird
agcStupGod [9d\]: usually n5or6
agcStupGod [9d\]: dont know why q8 here
agcStupGod [9d\]: nothing ladder breaker joseki either
]
;W[kn]C[agcStupGod [9d\]: b needs either L3 or sente s5
agcStupGod [9d\]: ding wei lost to song zirui?
sophist: Dalhoon is his last name?
USGO1 [-\]: Ahn is family name
sophist: Why it was written that way then?
USGO1 [-\]: Asian convention
sophist: Michael Chen, then Ahn Dalhoon?
]
;B[kp]C[agcStupGod [9d\]: why so slow
agcStupGod [9d\]: .....
zathras [3k?\]: Because it is not an internet game
agcStupGod [9d\]: like even here its just a matter of l3 or 4..........
agcStupGod [9d\]: but still, if i were to play i will choose s5 first
agcStupGod [9d\]: j5 or o8 for w too, 
xedover [?\]: for pairings and results, see: http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/182
indianayk [3d?\]: michael chen is an american
zathras [3k?\]: Next year you can go to the open and show them how it's done
sophist: Thanks USGO1 for the clarification.
xedover [?\]: for live video streams see either Yahoo or Twitch: https://www.youtube.com/c/USGOweb/live  https://www.twitch.tv/USGOWeb
gelson: agc you are american?
agcStupGod [9d\]: no
agcStupGod [9d\]: my student and friends went to this a lot
sophist: I think names should written with consistency though.
zathras [3k?\]: USGO2 is consistent
]
;W[pi]C[sophist: should be* sorry.
agcStupGod [9d\]: i dont think q11 is a good one
honku [1k\]: to me asian names sound more logical with familiy name first, and for western ones with family name last
agcStupGod [9d\]: o8 for b is too comfy
]
;B[nl]
;W[qf]C[honku [1k\]: Chen Zhaonian if in Chinese, while Michael Chen sound more logical eventhough Chen is surname
agcStupGod [9d\]: doesnt matter really
agcStupGod [9d\]: just a custom
agcStupGod [9d\]: b does not even to respond to r14
agcStupGod [9d\]: need to
sophist: what do you mean 'no need to respond to R14'?
agcStupGod [9d\]: the w in the middle are so weak in shape
agcStupGod [9d\]: b can continue attack w in the middle still sente
agcStupGod [9d\]: longfeihu lost...........sigh
GodofGo [8d\]: long fei who?
akitago [4d\]: after L4, especially after N8, the whites in the middle are not so important
agcStupGod [9d\]: i dont think so
DapperDan [1k\]: Peak at the two stones 
agcStupGod [9d\]: when internet go started to get popular
agcStupGod [9d\]: there was this id on china's go server beats pro players all the time
agcStupGod [9d\]: longfeihu
]
;B[kl]C[agcStupGod [9d\]: yeah, the same position I would continue to attack w
]
;W[jp]C[akitago [4d\]: too early
agcStupGod [9d\]: k4 was too late and not even better than j5 when right after L4
agcStupGod [9d\]: i think L8 is right at the time
]
;B[jq]C[agcStupGod [9d\]: I will only consider L8/s5 before k4
agcStupGod [9d\]: actually i think here b can also do k5 it still works
akitago [4d\]: J3
agcStupGod [9d\]: w no doubt j4
agcStupGod [9d\]: j3 is worse
agcStupGod [9d\]: even L3 better than j3..........
]
;W[ko]C[agcStupGod [9d\]: b j4 back to even game feeling.......
akitago [4d\]: ?
agcStupGod [9d\]: b was a little behind because of q8
]
;B[lp]C[agcStupGod [9d\]: dont get it here, too solid for b
agcStupGod [9d\]: w can take j4 advantage
]
;W[iq]C[agcStupGod [9d\]: ....
akitago [4d\]: contradictory
agcStupGod [9d\]: bad move for w for this one
akitago [4d\]: If J3 is expected, L5 may be saved
agcStupGod [9d\]: j3 is obviously a bad move
agcStupGod [9d\]: i dont see how w can gain profit from it
akitago [4d\]: but the next move is difficult
agcStupGod [9d\]: simply j4
agcStupGod [9d\]: why difficult
]
;B[ip]C[indianayk [3d?\]: j4,h5,k3?
agcStupGod [9d\]: h3
indianayk [3d?\]: h3 rather
]
;W[jo]
;B[hq]
;W[ir]C[akitago [4d\]: Now the middle whites will be a great burden
agcStupGod [9d\]: only k2
agcStupGod [9d\]: middle w was a burdern long time ago
agcStupGod [9d\]: before L8
agcStupGod [9d\]: w should answer with o8 or j5 at the time
akitago [4d\]: The middle whites could have been abandoned
agcStupGod [9d\]: pu................
]
;B[kr]C[akitago [4d\]: ?
agcStupGod [9d\]: b is too cautious
]
;W[ml]C[agcStupGod [9d\]: this avoids ko fights and eliminates w's ko threats
akitago [4d\]: K2 is right
agcStupGod [9d\]: k2 no problem
]
;B[mm]C[agcStupGod [9d\]: this N8 is also weird
agcStupGod [9d\]:  i thought w goes somewhere like h4
akitago [4d\]: N8 is too bad
akitago [4d\]: almost no profit
agcStupGod [9d\]: w has some calculation problem here
agcStupGod [9d\]: regionally w can continue m7 or n6
agcStupGod [9d\]: but not much use............
akitago [4d\]: K8?
agcStupGod [9d\]: better h4 now
agcStupGod [9d\]: k8 is gote
agcStupGod [9d\]: not much use either
agcStupGod [9d\]: i would choose h4
]
;W[hp]
;B[io]C[akitago [4d\]: H4 J6
agcStupGod [9d\]: w can take g3
agcStupGod [9d\]: because of L2.....
]
;W[ho]
;B[in]
;W[gq]C[agcStupGod [9d\]: lol
agcStupGod [9d\]: w helps b one more by h5..............sigh
VIXX [6d\]: hi stupido
agcStupGod [9d\]: ello
akitago [4d\]: one of the choices
agcStupGod [9d\]: w might need to continue on h6
akitago [4d\]: L2 is great problem
agcStupGod [9d\]: yeah that one of the mistakes b made
agcStupGod [9d\]: b needs h6 now
agcStupGod [9d\]: this variation worse then k2 one
honku [1k\]: L2 was to remove W N4 aji
agcStupGod [9d\]: not exactly
agcStupGod [9d\]: to remove L3 to be exact
agcStupGod [9d\]: L3 first
]
;B[hn]C[agcStupGod [9d\]: w can answer h6 with i dont know
agcStupGod [9d\]: f4/k2?
]
;W[nk]C[agcStupGod [9d\]: looks like f4 is a better one may save k2 later
agcStupGod [9d\]: wt...........
VIXX [6d\]: i wonder why w played r14 
agcStupGod [9d\]: it has to
agcStupGod [9d\]: cause q11 is there
agcStupGod [9d\]: bad move s on bad move makes a slightly good move
akitago [4d\]: G4
agcStupGod [9d\]: b N9 here
agcStupGod [9d\]: n9 is too big
akitago [4d\]: Yes
agcStupGod [9d\]: who beated ding wei....i have to find out
agcStupGod [9d\]: song zirui?
goodvibes [2k\]: bin fu
agcStupGod [9d\]: o
agcStupGod [9d\]: sigh
Xorax [-\]: was that the half board semeai?
agcStupGod [9d\]: ding wei s been teaching too much
BlankSpace [1k\]: is black already winning? it looks llike it. White keeps getting surrounded
Petrosian [4k\]: it was bin fu
Petrosian [4k\]: http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/182
agcStupGod [9d\]: when ding wei was young
agcStupGod [9d\]: he was so good
agcStupGod [9d\]: thx
agcStupGod [9d\]: sigh, time wins all
agcStupGod [9d\]: it is still even game
agcStupGod [9d\]: bye u guys
Jorgen [7k\]: ok bye
Petrosian [4k\]: later
BlankSpace [1k\]: O7
]
;B[ok]C[BlankSpace [1k\]: just close it
BlankSpace [1k\]: interesting
BlankSpace [1k\]: white can escape at O7
]
;W[nm]
;B[ol]C[BlankSpace [1k\]: I think O7 for black would have been better
BlankSpace [1k\]: Strategic bad shape
BlankSpace [1k\]: M7 is a must
BlankSpace [1k\]: can escape at K6
BlankSpace [1k\]: has to be good enough
]
;W[fp]
;B[mk]
;W[jr]
;B[kq]C[BlankSpace [1k\]: white is losing
]
;W[qc]C[gghh [4k\]: ELF: W 10%
hempelfeld [?\]: b has only territory around n5 the rest is w
]
;B[qd]C[sophist: now R14 shines :-)
]
;W[pc]
;B[od]
;W[oc]
;B[nd]
;W[nc]
;B[md]
;W[mc]
;B[pg]C[honku [1k\]: it's not that easy to be killed, but also not easy to live
]
;W[pf]
;B[og]
;W[of]
;B[nf]
;W[ng]
;B[qh]
;W[mf]
;B[ne]
;W[qi]C[Petrosian [4k\]: wow, 10%?
Petrosian [4k\]: already?
Petrosian [4k\]: computer estimate only matters if human can defend properly
]
;B[rh]
;W[nh]C[MrDoctor [2k\]: yep, as a 3 kyu I frequently lose games computer says I had 99% chance at some point, lol
Petrosian [4k\]: oh yeah, all the time.
Petrosian [4k\]: but this is vs a 9p
]
;B[ri]C[Petrosian [4k\]: R9?
]
;W[ld]C[Petrosian [4k\]: oh, yeah that is huge
MrDoctor [2k\]: true, petro, lol
]
;B[le]
;W[me]
;B[mg]C[USGO1 [-\]: w has 45 minutes left; black has 25 minutes
honku [1k\]: the main theme of the game: cut
MrDoctor [2k\]: thanks recorder for the time update
squid [13k\]: did someone forget to say atari?
]
;W[lf]
;B[mh]
;W[ke]C[hempelfeld [?\]: atari is  not say till you overlooked it
hempelfeld [?\]: said
Jorgen [7k\]: dude it's 9d game what are you saying
MrDoctor [2k\]: I assume they are joking, even 13 kyu doesn't say atari lol
]
;B[ro]C[Jorgen [7k\]: maybe u dudes should specate 2d games that don't know atari
Jorgen [7k\]: this is 9d
Xorax [-\]: well, I for one hope they say atari out loud to eachother :D
arunasr [6k\]: You Must b kidding? A pro saying atari???
honku [1k\]: even in chess you don't say "check" any more, if opponent doesn't see and plays a move that leaves his king under check, you just capture it
AlphaG0 [-\]: what's w thinking about here?
]
;W[rp]
;B[rn]C[Jorgen [7k\]: life and ur mom
indianayk [3d?\]: w may consider s16 first before t2
Xorax [-\]: would b even answer s16?
MrDoctor [2k\]: twitch stream switched back to this game
indianayk [3d?\]: if not r15 will kill the top right
]
;W[sr]
;B[dc]
;W[ec]
;B[cc]
;W[ed]
;B[be]
;W[ik]
;B[jm]
;W[ni]
;B[mi]
;W[oi]
;B[re]C[indianayk [3d?\]: w may have misread n10 move
AlphaG0 [-\]: its complex
]
;W[sc]
;B[qj]C[ThiGar [3k\]: Do those computer estimates require a lot of resources? If not, KGS could replace SE with one of them. 
honku [1k\]: SE is ok, but with japanese rules
honku [1k\]: I use wBaduk SE, much more accurate
Jorgen [7k\]: 0,
ThiGar [3k\]: wBaduk? It's another go server then?
AlphaG0 [-\]: w looks crushed
]
;W[rd]C[honku [1k\]: yup, but I just use client with local game opened
]
;B[rf]C[honku [1k\]: and SE works without connecting to the server
ThiGar [3k\]: interesting
honku [1k\]: takes influence into account a bit better than any other client
Penfold [5k?\]: does n1o 
Penfold [5k?\]: does n10 capture the n12 stones?
]
;W[cf]
;B[ce]
;W[df]
;B[bf]C[indianayk [3d?\]: nothing to do with which rule you are playing on. rather, it does not know the dead or live stones
]
;W[ch]
;B[eb]C[honku [1k\]: yes, but KGS SE does not count well with chinese rules
]
;W[fb]
;B[db]C[indianayk [3d?\]: agreed
honku [1k\]: I guess some problem with its algorithm for SE
]
;W[mj]
;B[nj]
;W[lj]
;B[li]
;W[kj]C[DapperDan [1k\]: I can't  figure out what  white is planning 
sophist: Michael is good at that.
]
;B[kg]C[DapperDan [1k\]: I guess threatening to save one piece or another 
DapperDan [1k\]: Black's last move is game over for white 
hobajons [5d\]: k13
AlphaG0 [-\]: only move
Epsilion [5k?\]: K12
Frederick [4k\]: why not r15 before this?
hobajons [5d\]: that is always there
hobajons [5d\]: no need to rush it because black wont fix it
sophist: it is rather small for now
atltimtim [4d\]: k13
ThiGar [3k\]: are we about to witness a turnaround?
hobajons [5d\]: doubtful
hobajons [5d\]: there is always the l11, k11, k10 cut. So I dont think w can seal this in
haoqi [-\]: k13 looks good
sophist: I can only guess that Michael wants to utilize the influence to build a large territory on upper left
atltimtim [4d\]: k13 seals 
hobajons [5d\]: which is why k13 doesnt entierly works
hobajons [5d\]: no
hobajons [5d\]: unless you give up l10
atltimtim [4d\]: k13 l11 k11 k10 l12 l9 j10 
atltimtim [4d\]: seals in sente
atltimtim [4d\]: give up l10 
hobajons [5d\]: ya thats what i said lol
atltimtim [4d\]: o 
hobajons [5d\]: its fine
atltimtim [4d\]: one color
hobajons [5d\]: i see what you mean
hobajons [5d\]: but i dont see white having enough
hobajons [5d\]: either way
ThiGar [3k\]: it's true that r15 first does not cost anything
]
;W[ig]C[DapperDan [1k\]: I don't see what you  guys are talking about white is just toast. 
sophist: I say white is pancake!
]
;B[jf]C[ThiGar [3k\]: apparently, sophist , you were right about the srtategy
]
;W[lg]C[sophist: sealing time.
]
;B[ki]
;W[ji]
;B[kh]C[Alejandro1 [2k\]: Mwuhahahahaha!
peteg [2d?\]: any clue as to remaining time for the players ?
USGO1 [-\]: w has 5 min, b has 9 min
USGO1 [-\]: correction, w has 10 min
sophist: J15?
ThiGar [3k\]: USGO1, did Andy Liu win his game?
sophist: K13 first then J15?
testtest [3d\]: i spectated andy's game, he was in the lead when i left
hobajons [5d\]: white cant seal
hobajons [5d\]: yikes
hobajons [5d\]: its gg
USGO1 [-\]: sorry, don't know results from other games
ThiGar [3k\]: ty
Penfold [5k?\]: I am half expecting m8
hempelfeld [?\]: andy liu lost
peteg [2d?\]: Thanks for the update USGO1
ThiGar [3k\]: oh, what a pity
indianayk [3d?\]: andy lost against who?
jlm [2k\]: The 2 9ps have been crushing everyone
]
;W[ie]
;B[if]
;W[hf]C[ThiGar [3k\]: Aaron Ye, Ibelive, as was mentionned in this chat earlier
]
;B[hg]
;W[ih]
;B[he]C[indianayk [3d?\]: thx u 
]
;W[gf]
;B[je]
;W[kf]
;B[jg]C[kikikik: white resigns here 
USGO1 [-\]: w is in overtime
]
;W[jd]
;B[id]
;W[jc]
;B[ge]
;W[fe]
;B[jj]C[testtest [3d\]: andy wins by 13.5
testtest [3d\]: the game just ended
testtest [3d\]: on the board it was 52, 46
sophist: hempelfeld [?\]: andy liu lost  <--- why you said this?
testtest [3d\]: trolling i guess
sophist: it's not even funny.
]
;W[ij]
;B[jk]
;W[gm]C[Epsilion [5k?\]: yeah, dingdongs
hempelfeld [?\]: sorry  i have got other information
]
;B[gn]C[xedover [?\]: for game results, see http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/182 (not yet updated from tonight's games)
]
;W[fm]C[jlm [2k\]: Except this game is over too. Very hard to see w getting back into it at this point
]
;B[fn]
;W[en]C[Penfold [5k?\]: SE says w +46.5
]
;B[gp]
;W[hr]C[Penfold [5k?\]: It wasn't even wrong about life & death
sophist: I am not so sure if I can agree with you, jlm.  W is doing ok, I think.
]
;B[ep]
;W[fo]
;B[eo]
;W[go]
;B[do]C[jlm [2k\]: Ur pulling my leg?
kikikik: hard to see white killing black here
]
;W[dq]
;B[eq]
;W[bp]
;B[dr]
;W[cr]
;B[bo]
;W[cp]
;B[em]C[USGO1 [-\]: white resigned
testtest [3d\]: gg
xedover [?\]: thanks usgo1
ThiGar [3k\]: ty for relaying, USGO1
Penfold [5k?\]: ty USGO1
USGO1 [-\]: thank you for joining us---hope to see you at the 2019 U.S. Go congress in Madison, WI
USGO1 [-\]: good night!
ThiGar [3k\]: At the university also?
sophist: night.
sophist: Thank you, USGO1.
])
