(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[5400]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
GN[2016 US Open Masters Round 2 Board 1 - Andy Liu 1p (W) vs Zhang Cheng 7d (B)]PW[Andy Liu]PB[Zhang Cheng]WR[1p]BR[7d]DT[2016-07-31]EV[2016 US Open Masters]RO[2]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Jared Beck]RE[W+Resign]
;B[qd]
;W[dd]
;B[pq]
;W[dp]
;B[fc]
;W[cf]
;B[nc]
;W[po]C[gooooo [-\]: I think you misspelled andy :)
USGO1 [-\]: thanks :)
gooooo [-\]: and thanks for relaying!
USGO1 [-\]: :)
]
;B[ql]C[Shigaraki [9d?\]: Oh, it's started ^^
Jermelle [?\]: r8. Hm, that's rather uncommon
Fumbar [15k?\]: one player has stepped away
Fumbar [15k?\]: https://gaming.youtube.com/watch?v=YZPKR7HzM_s
Alife361 [2d?\]: USGO1, is there a table with current results? Thanks
]
;W[lp]C[lofuchi [3k\]: m4 is even more uncommon :P
Standard [5d\]: is this the US open?
UBIK [4k\]: 2016 Redmond Cup Finals
UBIK [4k\]: (so it says on the stream)
Alife361 [2d?\]: Empty http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/176
USGO1 [-\]: This is the US Open Masters Division, Round 2, Board 1
]
;B[oo]C[Jermelle [?\]: All these uncommon moves @_@
lofuchi [3k\]: i have some doubt if m4 really works :)
]
;W[on]C[Standard [5d\]: its not a life and death problem, i don't think the word "works" is applicable
]
;B[no]
;W[pp]C[StephenW [4k\]: how come their clocks aren't going?
]
;B[oq]
;W[qq]C[USGO1 [-\]: Sorry, we don't have the technology to sync clock data with KGS
StephenW [4k\]: ok
alienist [5k\]: is relay-not live
AlphaG0 [-\]: get a wormhole in the spacetime continuum
Fumbar [15k?\]: we need a guy on the ground
USGO1 [-\]: The time settings are 90 basic, and 5 periods of 30
]
;B[mq]C[Fumbar [15k?\]: is that 5 periods of thirty seconds?
USGO1 [-\]: yes
StephenW [4k\]: how much time have they spent already?
Vash3G [-\]: The game just started 24 minutes ago
StephenW [4k\]: ok thanks
Vash3G [-\]: they have 90 minutes of main time each so theres a lot left
StephenW [4k\]: yes
USGO1 [-\]: Zhang has 1:21, can't see Andy's side of the clock :)
]
;W[rp]C[AlphaG0 [-\]: simple arithmetic will tell you its 1:17
UBIK [4k\]: the kind of move i would never make
StephenW [4k\]: you don't like defending your cuts?
Sundaay [1k\]: doesnt r6 hurt a lot now?
UBIK [4k\]: i do, but probably i  dont undestand is neccesary
StephenW [4k\]: what are the AGA rules?
StephenW [4k\]: what's the difference between them and the other rule sets?
Standard [5d\]: kind of like chinese rules, if the game is 0.5 close the winner is somewhat random
StephenW [4k\]: so it's chinese rules
Standard [5d\]: depending on the number of seki's on the board and such
gooooo [-\]: are they using ing stones?
StephenW [4k\]: but if the game is won by only 0.5 points, then the winner is random?
Standard [5d\]: yeah i don't trust stone counting systems at all
StephenW [4k\]: I just stick with Chinese and Japanese rules
StephenW [4k\]: I don't use the other rule sets
]
;B[kr]C[lepore [1d\]: UBIK - defending cut may not be *necessary* to live, but it is necessary to play urgent points in opening in order to be successful in middle game.
UBIK [4k\]: thx lepore
UBIK [4k\]: that's a good answer :D
StephenW [4k\]: yes
StephenW [4k\]: thanks
]
;W[hc]C[MacGyver [2d?\]: l2 looks weird
StephenW [4k\]: I would have probably done m3
StephenW [4k\]: L2 doesn't give white the option of extending though
StephenW [4k\]: and getting influence towards the center
]
;B[dc]
;W[cc]
;B[cb]
;W[ec]
;B[db]
;W[ed]C[gooooo [-\]: oh, I thought haylee was gonna comment?
]
;B[cd]
;W[bc]
;B[bd]
;W[bb]
;B[ba]C[Zonked [3d\]: aga rules : its like chinese rules, except passing stone at the end, so that territory counting gives same result as area counting
UBIK [4k\]: a likely stupid question: why does w go all the way to b18 ? Isn't it better to keep as a threat?
Zonked [3d\]: so you get elegance of chinese rules (just play out weird stuff, if its on the board, it lives), but with the practical territory counting we all want.
]
;W[eb]
;B[ac]C[notsadman: if no b18 then no e18 
Zonked [3d\]: ubik, w only adds moves in the corner, so that he gets two outside  instead of only one
UBIK [4k\]: @ zonked: thx
]
;W[lc]C[gooooo [-\]: c14 feels a bit weird now
notsadman: feels very good actually
gooooo [-\]: it does? feels out of place for me (as a lowly kyu) :)
notsadman: relax, im just as awful
notsadman: if not worse...
]
;B[ld]
;W[kd]
;B[le]
;W[mc]
;B[nd]C[USGO1 [-\]: Andy takes off his glasses, rubs his eyes. A long day for him, with two serious games and a lecture.
lepore [1d\]: so... what's the move?  big point on left, or keep black's right side from ballooning?
]
;W[qe]C[lepore [1d\]: ah
]
;B[rd]C[bkjhb: thank you for your service usgo1
]
;W[ph]C[gooooo [-\]: usgo1, you might want to tell them that the coordinate axis are swapped compared to kgs
gooooo [-\]: (on the stream)
]
;B[pj]
;W[nh]C[USGO1 [-\]: Thanks for the suggestion. We should be able to coordinate that (pun intented) in the future.
gooooo [-\]: hehe :)
]
;B[pn]
;W[rn]
;B[qn]
;W[qo]
;B[rm]
;W[nj]C[gogonuts [3d\]: i don't get S7
zc3k [4k\]: P7?
sykta [3k\]: shape ?
gogonuts [3d\]: s7 is not the best development move, and it's not sente against the corner
sykta [3k\]: what would you have played ?
gogonuts [3d\]: problably ws move
]
;B[nk]C[Zonked [3d\]: gogonuts, o10 p9 p10 r7 q7 q8 
Zonked [3d\]: not sure it matters, but r6 stones would die
]
;W[mj]C[gogonuts [3d\]: ino they wouldnt
gogonuts [3d\]: just pull out+
gogonuts [3d\]: and let w connect
bkjhb: i cannot see how r6 would die like that
]
;B[kc]
;W[kb]C[gogonuts [3d\]: in the end ws top would get hurt
]
;B[jc]
;W[jb]C[Zonked [3d\]: yes
Zonked [3d\]: gogonuts, just pulling out with s7 you mean?
Zonked [3d\]: but what do you do to the q8 stones then?
Zonked [3d\]: dont see any way to elegantly handle them
gogonuts [3d\]: answer q8 at p7
Zonked [3d\]: q8 p7 s7, then?
gogonuts [3d\]: p8 atari
Zonked [3d\]: q9
gogonuts [3d\]: atari from above
gogonuts [3d\]: and atari from r10
Zonked [3d\]: sure
gogonuts [3d\]: thats what i mean ws top will get hurt
Zonked [3d\]: ya
bkjhb: why not just o8 after w connects at s7?
Zonked [3d\]: then dont get r9 in sente
]
;B[cl]
;W[ok]C[bkjhb: can you show what happens after q8 s7? it does not seem good for w
]
;B[om]C[bkjhb: oh, you want to connect on the first line probably.... ok.
]
;W[nb]
;B[ob]
;W[md]
;B[me]
;W[ne]C[gogonuts [3d\]: b position got unhealthy
]
;B[mb]
;W[lb]
;B[na]
;W[oe]C[USGO1 [-\]: Both men are focused on the black stones around M15. Zhang shakes his head, leans back.
bkjhb: if b j17, w j16?
]
;B[je]
;W[jd]C[bkjhb: e.g. j17 j16 j18 h18 k16 k15 l15 j19 l16 
USGO1 [-\]: Zhang has used half his time, 45 min. remaining. Can't see Andy's side of the clock.
]
;B[ih]
;W[dk]
;B[dl]
;W[el]
;B[ck]
;W[dj]
;B[cj]
;W[di]
;B[ci]
;W[dh]
;B[ij]
;W[ig]C[gooooo [-\]: this game is really turning interesting :)
juk [3k\]: yeah
indianayk [-\]: where can we find the tournament result?
USGO1 [-\]: The AGA E-Journal typically publishes results (and interesting articles) the next day, but there may be other places to look.
zc3k [4k\]: L15 then K13?
]
;B[jh]
;W[jg]
;B[kg]
;W[kh]
;B[hg]
;W[if]
;B[hf]
;W[ie]
;B[ki]
;W[lh]
;B[fk]C[indianayk [-\]: thx usgo1
]
;W[hk]
;B[ik]
;W[hl]
;B[hj]
;W[gh]C[gooooo [-\]: awesome YouTube commentary :)
]
;B[gi]C[Saireborn [7d\]: Who is Zhang on KGS?
Vash3G [-\]: We do not currently know
Saireborn [7d\]: His name remember me something
Saireborn [7d\]: I know Andy is (was?) Bigbadwolf
]
;W[fi]C[Vash3G [-\]: correct
]
;B[fh]
;W[gj]
;B[hi]C[indianayk [-\]: according to aga site, Cheng is from China
eatramen [?\]: Andy was Little Red Riding Hood
]
;W[fg]
;B[jm]
;W[in]C[Lugia [9d\]: isn't andy also cloudnotes and sweetrip?
]
;B[im]
;W[hm]
;B[hn]
;W[en]C[USGO2 [-\]: yes
USGO2 [-\]: maybe not sweet anymore
]
;B[gn]
;W[cn]
;B[bg]
;W[bm]C[gooooo [-\]: omg great work on coordinates!
USGO1 [-\]: Andy nods his head as he counts the score
]
;B[cg]
;W[gp]C[Jermelle [?\]: Andy has had a bunch of accounts last I recall, his most famous being bigbadwolf
]
;B[gr]C[zc3k [4k\]: b lost
]
;W[eq]C[indianayk [-\]: is cloudnotes andy?
]
;B[er]C[Saireborn [7d\]: I didn't know that lol
Saireborn [7d\]: Is Zhang Cheng "Zchen" ?
indianayk [-\]: i am not sure of either on andy
indianayk [-\]: zchen is michael chen
]
;W[dr]C[Saireborn [7d\]: oh… lol, well anyway, seems that black can win
]
;B[hp]
;W[ho]
;B[go]
;W[hq]
;B[io]
;W[gq]
;B[iq]
;W[hr]C[Silas [5k?\]: player times please? :)
USGO1 [-\]: Zhang has 16 min., can't see Andy's side of the clock
Silas [5k?\]: ok ty
]
;B[re]C[Lugia [9d\]: andy is still sweetrip on tygem i think ive played him
]
;W[dg]C[emre0635 [7k\]: is there a live stream?
]
;B[ce]C[UBIK [4k\]: yep
]
;W[df]
;B[bf]C[UBIK [4k\]: https://gaming.youtube.com/watch?v=YZPKR7HzM_s
Shigaraki [9d?\]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZPKR7HzM_s
UBIK [4k\]: with nice commentary
]
;W[pr]
;B[or]C[emre0635 [7k\]: tnx
]
;W[ir]
;B[jr]
;W[eh]
;B[gg]
;W[od]
;B[oc]
;W[qf]C[Lugia [9d\]: this year's congress playing hall looks really nice
USGO4 [-\]: I prefer this named link instead :) https://www.youtube.com/user/USGOWeb/live
Gaijin [5k?\]: b+10?
USGO1 [-\]: It's very nice! Huge, lots of space around the tables, good A/C, A/V system
]
;B[gk]
;W[fj]
;B[fm]
;W[fl]
;B[gl]
;W[ek]
;B[gm]C[Lugia [9d\]: damn i should have went this year:(
]
;W[ll]
;B[lm]
;W[ge]
;B[sn]
;W[ro]C[Saireborn [7d\]: Are you a famous player?
Lugia [9d\]: nope
Gaijin [5k?\]: lugiasaur is feared by all.
Lugia [9d\]: ive been to us go congress 7 times or so
Lugia [9d\]: exept this year
DonValley [5d\]: who r u
]
;B[qr]
;W[rr]
;B[ps]C[Lugia [9d\]: i have another tourny in asia
]
;W[qi]C[USGO1 [-\]: Zhang has 10 minutes left
DonValley [5d\]: PM cup?
Lugia [9d\]: Andrew ive played u before:)
]
;B[qj]C[emre0635 [7k\]: who is ahead?
Lugia [9d\]: white
DonValley [5d\]: evan?
notsadman: walter
]
;W[nl]C[Lugia [9d\]: no im not evan
Martianman [6k\]: he is batman
notsadman: walter
Martianman [6k\]: the people cannot know his true identity
]
;B[kl]C[indianayk [-\]: w is playing as if he has won
]
;W[rj]
;B[rk]C[UBIK [4k\]: has he?
]
;W[pd]
;B[pc]
;W[rf]C[Lugia [9d\]: w is leading by a bit on the board
]
;B[rs]
;W[sr]C[Lugia [9d\]: b 8
notsadman: it isnt the players who click the clock? :o
]
;B[ri]
;W[rh]
;B[sj]C[Lugia [9d\]: how many pros are playing in master this year?
dsaun [-\]: you are looking at a game relay, presented by a scribe
DonValley [5d\]: im so confused
]
;W[qc]
;B[rc]
;W[bl]C[Lugia [9d\]: wait... is the video lagging?
UBIK [4k\]: yep
notsadman: the youtube stream show the players nonchallantelly playing the stones without clicking the clock
]
;B[fp]C[ethanjl91 [9k\]: seems to be
]
;W[fq]C[UBIK [4k\]: it has a delay
]
;B[eo]
;W[bk]
;B[do]
;W[co]C[pilaf [3d?\]: easy win for w now
]
;B[lk]
;W[mk]
;B[pi]
;W[qh]
;B[li]
;W[mi]
;B[lj]
;W[bj]
;B[bi]
;W[nm]
;B[nn]
;W[mm]
;B[mn]
;W[oi]C[Saireborn [7d\]: easy? lol
]
;B[de]
;W[ee]
;B[he]
;W[hd]
;B[pk]
;W[ol]
;B[pl]
;W[la]
;B[ma]
;W[da]C[Lugia [9d\]: yeah end result at least w+7 i think
]
;B[ab]C[pilaf [3d?\]: unless not fall asleep and time out
]
;W[op]
;B[np]
;W[so]
;B[sm]
;W[ch]
;B[bh]C[Saireborn [7d\]: is there a komi?
Lugia [9d\]: yeah
Lugia [9d\]: even game
]
;W[gf]
;B[hh]
;W[em]C[sykta [3k\]: so w+komi ?
]
;B[is]
;W[hs]
;B[js]
;W[dn]C[Lugia [9d\]: w is winning on the board
]
;B[il]C[pilaf [3d?\]: I thought w + by 10
]
;W[ai]
;B[ah]
;W[aj]C[Shigaraki [9d?\]: close yes
]
;B[sf]
;W[sg]
;B[se]
;W[sh]
;B[si]
;W[ep]
;B[fo]
;W[ml]
;B[fh]
;W[kk]C[Saireborn [7d\]: is SE wrong? :o
]
;B[ji]
;W[gh]C[Saireborn [7d\]: can't believe it
]
;B[ea]
;W[fa]
;B[fh]C[UBIK [4k\]: so THERE IS KOMI or NOT?
]
;W[jq]
;B[ip]C[UBIK [4k\]: 7.5 right?
]
;W[gh]
;B[ca]C[Lugia [9d\]: yeah
]
;W[ea]
;B[fh]C[dsaun [-\]: SE is often wrong, more so when there is area counting
UBIK [4k\]: ty
]
;W[qb]C[Lugia [9d\]: all master games r even
]
;B[rb]
;W[gh]C[Saireborn [7d\]: w + 4,5?
]
;B[mh]
;W[mg]
;B[fh]C[Lugia [9d\]: more
Lugia [9d\]: i think
Saireborn [7d\]: seems he will win this ko
]
;W[pa]
;B[pb]C[Lugia [9d\]: like 10+?
]
;W[gh]
;B[lg]
;W[mh]
;B[fh]
;W[oa]
;B[qa]
;W[gh]C[Saireborn [7d\]: M2/T9/M6/Q7/K4/P19 threats
]
;B[id]
;W[ic]
;B[fh]
;W[oa]
;B[pa]C[indianayk [-\]: about 7 points
]
;W[gh]
;B[qs]C[lepore [1d\]: 12.5
]
;W[fh]
;B[ss]C[pilaf [3d?\]: our guessing were all the places
lepore [1d\]: a few moves ago w had 85 on board and b had 80.
USGO1 [-\]: Zhang resigned
gooooo [-\]: how much ahead was Andy?
Saireborn [7d\]: 16,5?
Lugia [9d\]: 17
USGO1 [-\]: Thanks for watching, everyone!
pilaf [3d?\]: ty
gooooo [-\]: thx
])
