(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]
GN[2014 Cotsen]PW[Beomgeun (Evan) Cho]PB[Youwhan Kim]WR[7d]BR[7d]DT[2014-10-26]EV[2014 Cotsen]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Chris Garlock]RE[B+Resign]
;B[qd]C[DrH0use [1d\]: hi!
Dovery [-\]: woooooo
YesChoboco [-\]: wooot
YesChoboco [-\]: Gg
Werfeus [5d\]: mutt's belt on b
YesChoboco [-\]: i bet 1$ in w
]
;W[dd]
;B[pq]C[YesChoboco [-\]: b shusaku style
]
;W[dp]
;B[fc]C[Backflash [2d?\]: you mean outdated?
]
;W[cf]C[spacetime [4d\]: who is this youwhan kim?
]
;B[lc]
;W[qn]
;B[qk]C[YesChoboco [-\]: some chinese pro
YesChoboco [-\]: why?
USGO1 [-\]: welcome to day 2 and round 4 of the 2014 cotsen open
Warfreak2 [4d\]: _ _ _ _ _ _ / _ _ / _ _ _ / _ _ _ _ / _ _ _ _ _ _
USGO1 [-\]: i'm chris garlock, recording
Backflash [2d?\]: they play fast, eh
XY0908 [-\]: Hello CHris, many thanks for your recording.
Dovery [-\]: interesting opening
whatisgo [-\]: all b stones are on the 3 rd line
]
;W[qq]
;B[qp]
;W[pp]
;B[rq]
;W[qr]
;B[po]
;W[op]
;B[qo]C[kostuek [?\]: its the new 3rd line opening
YesChoboco [-\]: thanks all for recording that
]
;W[rr]
;B[mp]C[spacetime [4d\]: Hey Chris. any info on black player? Does he live in the US?
]
;W[no]
;B[pn]
;W[mo]
;B[kp]
;W[mq]
;B[gq]C[Koons [1k\]: Warfreak, please don't do that during this game. Thanks.
XY0908 [-\]: Would you say B's fuseki is somewhat speedy, Warfreak?
USGO1 [-\]: both players are 3-0, so this is possibly the title=deciding match
]
;W[hc]C[USGO1 [-\]: results through rd 3 are here http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/171
Koons [1k\]: how many rounds today?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: b's stones have their running shoes on already
YesChoboco [-\]: i really like b style
]
;B[cn]C[Kretzsche [2k?\]: play territorally, then make light shape in your own sphere of influence:D
]
;W[fp]C[USGO1 [-\]: here's our report from yesterday: http://www.usgo.org/news/2014/10/mark-lee-7d-looking-to-pick-up-another-us-title-at-cotsen-open/
XY0908 [-\]: By looking at their names it's possible both players are Koreans.
YesChoboco [-\]: thanks usgo
]
;B[er]C[spacetime [4d\]: someone needs to design a new tournament system. Swiss McMahon or w.e it is SOOO often means the championship round in the second-to-last round instead of the finals! Lame imo
USGO1 [-\]: yes, both Koreans; Kim's a former insei and beat Mark Lee yesterday (mark wion the Masters 9-0 in august)
Kretzsche [2k?\]: there is the system used at go to innovation tournament
spacetime [4d\]: this is a very interesting opening though
fbp [7d\]: which are the strongest americans participating?
USGO1 [-\]: we also have an interview with tourney sponsor eric cotsen here: http://www.usgo.org/news/2014/10/eric-cotsen-happy-warrior/ 
]
;W[co]
;B[dn]
;W[gp]C[YesChoboco [-\]: h3?
]
;B[hp]C[XY0908 [-\]: Can you tell us what the prize money is for the tournament?
hemb [2k\]: h4 wow
YesChoboco [-\]: h4 was pro move
YesChoboco [-\]: i think
hemb [2k\]: I guess wh3 does not work so great
Fabbo [5k?\]: looks like overplay to me. =)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: this appears reasonable
XY0908 [-\]: no, it's former insei move :-)
lapropo: lol just a move by a pro so yes, pro move
hemb [2k\]: h3 j3 h2 j2?
Dovery [-\]: good move
Warfreak2 [4d\]: pros are usually former insei
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: if you play e2 and cant play h4, something is wrong
XY0908 [-\]: Haha
Dovery [-\]: yes
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;W[ho]C[Kretzsche [2k?\]: this eric cotsen seems to be a nice guy for go players
Kretzsche [2k?\]: maybe not so nice in buisness negotiations though
Koons [1k\]: you are funny if you have to be not nice to be good at business
YesChoboco [-\]: :))
Backflash [2d?\]: what?
]
;B[ip]C[Rukis [2d\]: Is Cho undefeated?
Falcon89 [5k\]: Youwhan Kim is a former Korean insei like Lee
Kretzsche [2k?\]: bothj
Backflash [2d?\]: both undefeated
]
;W[dk]C[Kretzsche [2k?\]: that means cho, too, rukis
Rukis [2d\]: oh right that mysterious win from yesterday.
Rukis [2d\]: you don't say Kretz
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;B[el]C[lapropo: e8 ???
]
;W[ek]
;B[gn]C[USGO1 [-\]: BT is 45m, OT is 20 seconds
YesChoboco [-\]: b pro shape
]
;W[cr]C[lapropo: i'll never get it... pro move,  pro shape... they are pro! and they probably do pro sneeze too. so high level shape ?
kostuek [?\]: their sneeze is another level
lapropo: sure it is
lapropo: here is some pro thinking isn't it ?
Kretzsche [2k?\]: but being pro at go doesnt make you a pro football player, so why would they have pro sneezes?
Koons [1k\]: certainly not pro level kibitz
kostuek [?\]: f15 i like
]
;B[dr]C[YesChoboco [-\]: d2 nice
kostuek [?\]: d2 is pro
YesChoboco [-\]: must be
YesChoboco [-\]: such a difficult move
lapropo: to answer
YesChoboco [-\]: and to find
YesChoboco [-\]: well c3 is ok
saborou [1k\]: I'm sure black found it without putting in an unreasonable amount of effort
YesChoboco [-\]: cus black is very good
Kretzsche [2k?\]: yea why would he put erffort into the game that could make him winner of the tournament
pokale [2d?\]: i am pokale
lapropo: not sure
]
;W[dl]C[YesChoboco [-\]: pokale is pokale
saborou [1k\]: why would you make a trollish comment like that?
YesChoboco [-\]: about pokale?
]
;B[eo]
;W[bo]C[lapropo: wow no connection
]
;B[ep]C[Koons [1k\]: ah, it's just a tail :)
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;W[od]
;B[qf]
;W[pe]
;B[qe]
;W[pc]
;B[qc]
;W[qb]
;B[rb]
;W[ob]
;B[qa]C[Koons [1k\]: r19 without thought. he knows what he wants
]
;W[le]C[Ukasuhs [5d?\]: but you have to play r19
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: otherwise w is alive
Koons [1k\]: i'd have to think about it :)
Rukis [2d\]: you do he doesnt
Koons [1k\]: too true
]
;B[jc]C[Koons [1k\]: m15 sure seems like a nice point though
]
;W[ec]C[Rukis [2d\]: hes just playing quickly
]
;B[fd]C[Rukis [2d\]: plus hard to cut with a weak group
lapropo: will w attack f16 ?
]
;W[hb]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: gosh
Ikra [2k\]: ?!
]
;B[hd]C[Rukis [2d\]: well there you have it folks
Rukis [2d\]: ill be back, making pancakes to flip as this game turns weird.
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;W[gd]C[vrnBugatti [4k\]: h15 
gogonuts [5d\]: looks like nice momentum for w
]
;B[ge]
;W[id]C[bert [1d?\]: h15 j17 e18 d18 l15 
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i expect g17
kostuek [?\]: kokoko
vrnBugatti [4k\]: h15 g17 g15 f18 k15 
pipong [2d\]: since b played r17 and 19  , have to put pressure on this w group or it'll be a failure ?
corners [-\]: e18 k15 or something though bert
corners [-\]: not necessarily pipong
corners [-\]: certainly b would like to, but they're valuable moves anyways
corners [-\]: and one doesn't have to get a direct benefit either, could be some benefit elsewhere
]
;B[gc]
;W[he]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: now ko
]
;B[hf]
;W[gd]
;B[de]C[seele [?\]: wouldn't just connect at j17 be better for w?
pipong [2d\]: can't really save f17 and let capture k17 , the position wouldn't even pressure corner 
corners [-\]: not really seele, that would be pretty painful
corners [-\]: then b would j15 in sente and have good shape in the center, and there would be aji around n15 too
]
;W[ce]
;B[hd]
;W[ie]C[kmlck [2d\]: any ko threats after j17?
pipong [2d\]: o17 for example
kostuek [?\]: left bottom
darkronin [4k\]: C3?
anewbie [7k\]: yeh c3 looks big
kmlck [2d\]: ko huge
corners [-\]: don't think c3 is enough
]
;B[ic]
;W[gd]C[pipong [2d\]: c16 
]
;B[eb]C[gogonuts [5d\]: ignore
pipong [2d\]: yes
]
;W[db]
;B[hd]C[gogonuts [5d\]: wow
pipong [2d\]: going to fight it out after ignore ?
corners [-\]: f18 ?
pipong [2d\]: e19 , was just so b could ignore w ignoring his threat ^^
kostuek [?\]: r7?
darkronin [4k\]: I don't understand this situation
NateC [3d\]: I was looking at r7, but it would cost w a lot
gogonuts [5d\]: strange time to think
gogonuts [5d\]: should have been decided before d18
pipong [2d\]: this ko is really big , better to play local threat as much as possible 
NateC [3d\]: darkronin, do you have any specific questions?
]
;W[ql]C[JIeBuc [4d\]: hi
Rukis [2d\]: basicly dark white needs to connect to make black weak and visa-versa
USGO1 [-\]: ime check: w 10m, b 16m
USGO1 [-\]: time
gogonuts [5d\]: surely b cant answer
bert [1d?\]: more versa than visa, thou
corners [-\]: seems reasonable for w if b g16
NateC [3d\]: Filling the ko is ugly shape for both ^^
corners [-\]: f18 in sente is nice
Polite [17k\]: What is W's followup to R8?
corners [-\]: q7 Polite, unless w wants to go for more with q9, but that seems risky
Polite [17k\]: Okay
kostuek [?\]: isn't b b6 sente against corner?
Rukis [2d\]: how is it polite?
Falcon89 [5k\]: depends on B'smove, Polite
USGO1 [-\]: quick vote: respond or connect?
corners [-\]: yes kostuek
darkronin [4k\]: It looks to me if w wins, makes b weak, but if b wins, all top is black... So burden for w
Polite [17k\]: I was thinking if B filled, but right!
NateC [3d\]: q7 is quite vulgar, in fact ^^
Warfreak2 [4d\]: respond for sure
corners [-\]: respond
]
;B[gd]
;W[pl]C[Polite [17k\]: :o
Rukis [2d\]: haha
RobertT [-\]: respond with tenuki
]
;B[om]C[NateC [3d\]: That's an accurate assessment. The ko was very large for both of them
Polite [17k\]: Ah that was the follow up I saw
Polite [17k\]: I can't read though
dfrankel [2k\]: I think b is OK
]
;W[mm]C[Rukis [2d\]: what is that suppose to mean?
]
;B[nl]C[dfrankel [2k\]: the b group lives
]
;W[pk]C[gepay [3k\]: can w get compensation tho?
Burton [6k\]: There is a chess book, "Black ids OK
Rukis [2d\]: well at the moment its not alive nor dead. so.. what do you mean? :o
Burton [6k\]: is*
]
;B[qi]
;W[oj]
;B[ml]C[dfrankel [2k\]: b is ahead in territory, and if the group in the lower right lives I think he will win
]
;W[ph]C[bluetable [-\]: white very skillful
darkronin [4k\]: Wow this move helps both groups
]
;B[qh]C[Rukis [2d\]: be interesting to see what white gets 
darkronin [4k\]: I hope later w can cut g14 and either get a large centre or kill b group
Polite [17k\]: Is M4 important/big?
]
;W[km]C[able [3k\]: black looks like he should be fine on the bottom right, r7  can connect or cut off o5
Polite [17k\]: Nevermind lol
darkronin [4k\]: No potter
]
;B[og]C[darkronin [4k\]: Polite*
Polite [17k\]: Thanks
Rukis [2d\]: able
Rukis [2d\]: read more
Burton [6k\]: Polite...w seems already alive there so it seems to be just a single stone capture
Polite [17k\]: Right
dfrankel [2k\]: w upper group is very weak
]
;W[oh]C[Polite [17k\]: I was out for blood; it makes sense W is alive even without running
dfrankel [2k\]: p13 splits 2 weak groups
dfrankel [2k\]: but b group at n8 is weak too
dfrankel [2k\]: can b afford to play o13?
]
;B[ng]C[NateC [3d\]: They have decided to answer your question
dfrankel [2k\]: I guess he thinks he can
Rimgaudas [4k\]: If black splits at n16 or so, white will have 3 weak groups, black only 1.
Goprince [5d\]: 2 weak groups *
]
;W[mi]
;B[kl]C[dfrankel [2k\]: b has the potential to take the whole upper side
Rimgaudas [4k\]: If black splits at n16 or so as i said won't white have weak j15, p16, p10 groups?
]
;W[jl]
;B[kk]C[Goprince [5d\]: j15 not a group
]
;W[jk]C[Goprince [5d\]: just useless stoines
Rimgaudas [4k\]: what it is then?
Rimgaudas [4k\]: Mhm..
dfrankel [2k\]: n15 is a better split for b, but he has to save his l 9 group
]
;B[ki]
;W[jj]
;B[kj]
;W[lh]C[Goprince [5d\]: n16
]
;B[ne]C[dfrankel [2k\]: yes -- I see
]
;W[if]C[Rimgaudas [4k\]: Useless stones he still trying to save? ;/
]
;B[ji]
;W[hg]C[Goprince [5d\]: its a mistake
kostuek [?\]: o8 worm must crying right now
]
;B[gf]C[Rimgaudas [4k\]: How you know its mistake and they doesn't.
Goprince [5d\]: he played too fast
Polite [17k\]: B's group doesnt have freinds :(
NateC [3d\]: The worm is virtually alive, though: s6 r7 m7
Polite [17k\]: ooo
Werfeus [5d\]: s6 r7 is rather wishful thinking
dfrankel [2k\]: b has a cut at j13 too
Rimgaudas [4k\]: But i assume he is more concentrated than you in the game and is higher rank and such things  sound like basic for you, so its strange then.
]
;W[ig]
;B[ii]C[Kretzsche [2k?\]: but he is the go prince
Goprince [5d\]: it is strange that he played j14 and elt b play a huge turn at k11
Goprince [5d\]: either way b already won this game
]
;W[pa]C[dfrankel [2k\]: b has a big threat at k7 now
]
;B[pb]
;W[gi]C[active [1k\]: what is the opinion on black's move at E4? I think its too good for b
spacetime [4d\]: this is intense
]
;B[jm]C[USGO1 [-\]: both in OT now
USGO1 [-\]: 20 sec/move
]
;W[im]
;B[jn]
;W[lm]
;B[mj]
;W[hk]C[corners [-\]: is it always such low time limits at the Cotsen?
]
;B[rn]C[USGO1 [-\]: usually 30 sec
USGO1 [-\]: but they need to stay on time
corners [-\]: ah
]
;W[nj]C[USGO1 [-\]: b 3x20 sec
USGO1 [-\]: w 3:24m
gogonuts [5d\]: slowpokes get less byoyomi - rough justice, but efficient :-)
USGO1 [-\]: b 2x20 sec
able [3k\]: s9?
]
;B[rm]
;W[mk]
;B[ll]
;W[qb]
;B[lq]
;W[mr]
;B[pb]
;W[fb]
;B[gb]
;W[ea]C[gogonuts [5d\]: w could never really make r8/q8 do enough damage
]
;B[ib]
;W[qb]
;B[gj]C[Goprince [5d\]: the pain begins
]
;W[ra]C[gogonuts [5d\]: atari at h15 was fighting spirit, but without a decent ko threat i think w was better off with J17
]
;B[kg]
;W[lg]
;B[kf]C[gogonuts [5d\]: b has many fun options
]
;W[lf]
;B[ke]
;W[md]
;B[fi]
;W[fl]C[USGO1 [-\]: b 1x20 sec
]
;B[fj]C[USGO1 [-\]: w now in ot
]
;W[fh]
;B[eh]
;W[hj]
;B[gh]
;W[hi]
;B[fg]
;W[fn]
;B[fo]
;W[hh]C[miao [6d\]: w cheating worked
]
;B[ld]
;W[me]C[gogonuts [5d\]: well, didnt really help him imo
tantrika [4k\]: w has wallhack
]
;B[cq]
;W[dq]C[gogonuts [5d\]: saved dead weight
]
;B[bq]
;W[bm]
;B[gl]
;W[gm]
;B[hm]
;W[fm]C[miao [6d\]: oh
]
;B[hn]C[miao [6d\]: all gone
]
;W[hl]
;B[in]C[miao [6d\]: huh
]
;W[gk]
;B[bn]
;W[an]C[miao [6d\]: ic
]
;B[ci]
;W[bk]C[gogonuts [5d\]: this is like water torture
]
;B[lr]
;W[ls]
;B[ks]
;W[ms]
;B[kr]
;W[mc]
;B[bg]C[tantrika [4k\]: is w alve ?
]
;W[lb]
;B[rk]
;W[kb]C[Flame [10k\]: q13 
]
;B[cg]
;W[df]
;B[ad]
;W[bi]
;B[bc]C[Kretzsche [2k?\]: this is what 20 second byo does to you :D
USGO1 [-\]: white resigns
gogonuts [5d\]: thx
USGO1 [-\]: thanks for watching! 
darkronin [4k\]: :(
corners [-\]: thank you
Polite [17k\]: ty
xedover [?\]: thanks usgo1
Falcon89 [5k\]:   thanks Chris
odbira [3k\]: thx!
USGO1 [-\]: next and final round in about an hour
USGO1 [-\]: gotta hit the korean bbq trucks
Falcon89 [5k\]: haha
Falcon89 [5k\]: enjoy
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