(;GM[1]FF[4]SZ[19]AP[SmartGo:2.8.3.0]CA[UTF-8]
GN[2014 Cotsen Open]
PW[Mark Lee]WR[7d]
PB[Youwhan Kim]BR[7d]
EV[2014 Cotsen Open]RO[2]
DT[2014-10-25]
PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]
KM[7.5]
RE[B+R]
US[Chris Garlock]
RU[AGA]ST[2];B[cp];W[pd]
C[YesChoboco [-\]: what is youwhankim kgs nickname?
];B[dc];W[pq]
C[qpax [1d\]: tartrate
YesChoboco [-\]: thx
Arhiman [3d\]: blasphemy !
]
;B[qo]
C[YesChoboco [-\]: why
];W[eq]
C[kostuek [?\]: tartrate is an old kgs legend
funshirt [16k?\]: sounds epic
saborou [1k\]: it was fairly epic
saborou [1k\]: but bagaller blew tartrate's epicness out of the water
YesChoboco [-\]: bagaller?
funshirt [16k?\]: so he is more epic^^
qpax [1d\]: nah, tartrate was better than bagaller
saborou [1k\]: unlikely :\\
YesChoboco [-\]: bagaller is 9p right w
YesChoboco [-\]: ?
Arhiman [3d\]: simply a trick
crval [2d\]: was a 8dan tartrate
saborou [1k\]: I've watched bagaller constantly beat pros
YesChoboco [-\]: cus bagaller was lee sedol
saborou [1k\]: I still watch him on tygem
saborou [1k\]: and it always sends chills down my spine :\\
YesChoboco [-\]: what is his nick in tygem
]
;B[mp];W[op]
C[Arhiman [3d\]: turn the heat up
saborou [1k\]: ThisLove7
];B[iq]
C[funshirt [16k?\]: definitely EPIC^^
YesChoboco [-\]: thislove7?heheh
USGO1 [-\]: welcome to the 2014 Cotsen Open, round 2, board 1!
]
;W[de]
C[YesChoboco [-\]: thanks usgo
USGO1 [-\]: this is chris garlock and i'll be your game recorder today
YesChoboco [-\]: Chris Garlock Sir
funshirt [16k?\]: hi usgo1 aka chris garlock and THANKS =)
YesChoboco [-\]: enjoy
]
;B[dq];W[ep]
C[YesChoboco [-\]: this is like professional streaming
saborou [1k\]: just look at his KGS record, he's won 27 of his last 30 games, all against mm, bill, kghin, etc
]
;B[dn];W[ho]
C[YesChoboco [-\]: but tartrate was 99,9% win. He loses only by lag
YesChoboco [-\]: -_-
funshirt [16k?\]: is there a broadcast?
USGO1 [-\]: Mark Lee is a former Korean insei; he won the 2014 US Masters 9-0: http://www.usgo.org/news/2014/10/mark-lee-7d-looking-to-pick-up-another-us-title-at-cotsen-open/
kmr [1d\]: tartare won all his games except 2 when he gave no komi - more impressive
YesChoboco [-\]: is that true kmr?
kmr [1d\]: yes
saborou [1k\]: yeah, how many years ago? =P
YesChoboco [-\]: woa
saborou [1k\]: level of kgs has risen since then
NateC [3d\]: He lost one on time to charm, and he lost even to gentlerain
YesChoboco [-\]: so its lie 2 with no komi
kmr [1d\]: yes, but that was 2 no komi games
Larcon [1d\]: mark beat andy?
YesChoboco [-\]: gentlerain no komi?
NateC [3d\]: Are you sure that gentlerain had no komi? He was an ex-insei and quite strong himself
kmr [1d\]: yes Tartrate lost exactly 2 ranking games - one with Charm(Sendol) 2nd with Gentlerain both no komi games
YesChoboco [-\]: omg
YesChoboco [-\]: impressive
YesChoboco [-\]: how many games he had
]
;B[jp];W[gq]
C[kmr [1d\]: and he lost some simultaneous games but thats not count since it was not ranking games
kmr [1d\]: i dont know, but he swept all KGS starts of his time
kmr [1d\]: or almost all
YesChoboco [-\]: insane player
]
;B[cg]
C[saborou [1k\]: but clearly bagaller is the strongest player to have graced KGS in a long time
YesChoboco [-\]: he might be sai
saborou [1k\]: sai would've had 0 losses :\\
YesChoboco [-\]: who was tartrate?
saborou [1k\]: some pro
Larcon [1d\]: bagaller beat kobayashi on tygem.
Yakami [1d\]: Sai would lose because Hikaru would missclick
saborou [1k\]: it's online
TaksiMies [5k?\]: So who is b and who is w
YesChoboco [-\]: someone said he was 6p
]
;W[cc];B[gc]
C[Arhiman [3d\]: so up to e4, they were replaying the game from 2012 between Tang Yi (black) and Him Hyeoimin (white), black won
saborou [1k\]: pfft, hikaru didn't missclick one time in the series :\\
corners [-\]: k4 seems easy, but also easy on w. I wonder if g3 by b would have been better
Yakami [1d\]: He actually did, but they won the game anyways
YesChoboco [-\]: not in the kaga game
YesChoboco [-\]: lost by 0.5 after miss
kmr [1d\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?TartrateVsGentlerain - Tartrate game with Gentlerain
saborou [1k\]: but that wasn't a click -.-
Yakami [1d\]: One of the online games - Sai was angry that they almost loss because Hikaru missplaced
YesChoboco [-\]: come on clicks are overhated
YesChoboco [-\]: "hated" :D
YesChoboco [-\]: so is bagaller the son of tartrate?
]
;W[dg]
C[funshirt [16k?\]: so wasn't there a "saveclick-function" that game Hikaru missclicked?
]
;B[dh]
C[Werfeus [5d\]: bagaller is sinand's strongest pupil
];W[ch]
C[saborou [1k\]: ooh, I'v ebeen seeing d13 a lot recently
Werfeus [5d\]: b14
Yakami [1d\]: Is there a result place for Cotsen?
Werfeus [5d\]: or how was it... should think a little
saborou [1k\]: b14 looks fine
YesChoboco [-\]: wow
]
;B[bg]
C[YesChoboco [-\]: sinand is gonna be 9p 
];W[bh]
C[saborou [1k\]: sinand?
YesChoboco [-\]: promissing guy
YesChoboco [-\]: he learned go 6 months and already 7d
YesChoboco [-\]: its quite fast
NateC [3d\]: Uh oh, he is "pro-missing" ?
ranyee [3k\]: 7d in 6 month?
YesChoboco [-\]: yea
saborou [1k\]: 7d in 6 months is easy
kmr [1d\]: any link?
saborou [1k\]: I'll prove it to you and become 7d by may
ranyee [3k\]: if has a lot of time and good teacher
YesChoboco [-\]: thenewone profile
YesChoboco [-\]: :D
YesChoboco [-\]: i prefer w
YesChoboco [-\]: and u
]
;B[df];W[eg];B[ef]
C[saborou [1k\]: isn't this kind of silly?
NateC [3d\]: For whom?
kostuek [?\]: it's silly to read
saborou [1k\]: black
NateC [3d\]: b has the ladder, though
roboteddy [26k?\]: what are time controls on this game?
]
;W[cf];B[bf];W[ce];B[fg]
C[YesChoboco [-\]: 45minutes i think
];W[eh]
C[NateC [3d\]: He will take either e13 or c12
];B[di];W[fh]
C[USGO1 [-\]: yes, 45m
];B[ci]
C[USGO1 [-\]: 20 sec ot
];W[be];B[bi];W[ff];B[ee];W[ed];B[fe];W[gg]
C[USGO1 [-\]: this is LIVE broadcast btw, this is really the pace at which they're playing. must be those korean bbq tacos
USGO1 [-\]: (they were really good!)
NateC [3d\]:  =D
]
;B[ge]
C[saborou [1k\]: huh?  something about this pace is strange?
];W[db]
C[funshirt [16k?\]: guess they want to have more tacos or a bathroom^^
]
;B[ld]
C[funshirt [16k?\]: *restrrom
];W[fj]
C[ranyee [3k\]: is this resault good for w?
saborou [1k\]: yes
Federici [9k\]: looks like it to me
YesChoboco [-\]: must be those korean bbq tacos
YesChoboco [-\]: nice one 
]
;B[fn];W[gm]
C[odbira [3k\]: gomen... I came late and dont know who is w/b
saborou [1k\]: gomen yori shitsurei da
zen [2d\]: and you don't know how to read either I guess?
ranyee [3k\]: what should b do?
RainierBob [2d?\]: some of us watching on mobile. .. names dont show
dogbert [3d\]: push cut and pull
Arhiman [3d\]: he's not though
YesChoboco [-\]: cut first think later?
Arhiman [3d\]: w is Mark Lee 7d and b is Youwhan Kim 7d
ranyee [3k\]: g6?
]
;B[ek];W[fk]
C[RainierBob [2d?\]: thx
odbira [3k\]: thx!
];B[fm]
C[YesChoboco [-\]: now i like b
];W[fl];B[el];W[jd]
C[Arhiman [3d\]: that b territory feels over concentrated
saborou [1k\]: black had the better position to begin with :\\
saborou [1k\]: until the silliness in the topleft
beeracc [4k\]: oh my, this tornament name sounds quite weird for germans ^^
herissondu [4d\]: that w stone is annoying
funshirt [16k?\]: did you want to write bieracc^^?
]
;B[ie];W[je]
C[saborou [1k\]: -.-
beeracc [4k\]: no
];B[if];W[jf]
C[qpax [1d\]: what does it mean in German?
saborou [1k\]: looks like white profits
YesChoboco [-\]: you don't want to know
Arhiman [3d\]: I do
]
;B[ih]
C[beeracc [4k\]: cotsen .-> kotzen -> puke
kostuek [?\]: this b group isn't a happy group
YesChoboco [-\]: see?
beeracc [4k\]: ^^
YesChoboco [-\]: n15
]
;W[jg]
C[zen [2d\]: works even better in dutch: cotsen -> kotsen ->puke
];B[ig]
C[funshirt [16k?\]: aaaaaaaaaaaah, I was looking at your name here =)
beeracc [4k\]: hehe yea the languages are very similar
]
;W[ij]
C[NateC [3d\]: l11 looks like the right idea
];B[jh]
C[Larcon [1d\]: this seems better for b.
];W[lf]
C[notMe [1k\]: really? why?
saborou [1k\]: in what way? -.-
YesChoboco [-\]: m14 is very solid
Arhiman [3d\]: oh j10, ok, was about to point out that big weaknesses in w groups around g5
Arhiman [3d\]: still here though
]
;B[lh];W[nd]
C[lukep [5k\]: weird
lukep [5k\]: m16 seems bad now
];B[gn]
C[funshirt [16k?\]: I dont like walls in the middle of the board that early, somehow someone always has to run afterwards..
kostuek [?\]: l16 was a bit slow tho
]
;W[hn];B[hm];W[gl];B[im];W[jo]
C[saborou [1k\]: we'll keep that in mind incase l16 is ever played -.-
Yakami [1d\]: it does look slow 
funshirt [16k?\]: no it's fast, you can't even see it =)
ranyee [3k\]: can b attack f10?
corners [-\]: m16 seems like it was too far
kostuek [?\]: *would be instead of m16
]
;B[km];W[ko]
C[Brian [1d\]: who is recording the game as usgo1?
saborou [1k\]: ahh
];B[kj]
C[USGO1 [-\]: that's be chris garlock
saborou [1k\]: slowness has less to do with the difference in size of the jump than the difference in aji
]
;W[jl];B[jm];W[hh]
C[odbira [3k\]: ouch gote
saborou [1k\]: I guess the pressure of being in a tournament causes people to do weird things
roboteddy [26k?\]: what is purpose of H12? form eye?
corners [-\]: yes
Wootfish [5k\]: by 7d they're prob pretty used to tournaments
]
;B[lp]
C[saborou [1k\]: pro sc2 players never get used to tournaments, no matter how strong they are
Federici [9k\]: b did a good job pressuring the center group
]
;W[ln]
C[Arhiman [3d\]: aouch, dat shape
];B[oo]
C[Polite [17k\]: when in doubt, kosumi out
apina [1d\]: w has many problems
]
;W[no];B[np];W[nn];B[on]
C[NateC [3d\]: One day you will lead nations, Polite
roboteddy [26k?\]: who will get bottom right corner? or hard to say yet
Polite [17k\]: Aw, haha ty
moesasji: b has 1 problem
saborou [1k\]: 死ね、わが右下よ
Larcon [1d\]: what language is that?
moesasji: not enough territory
spiritburd [1d\]: Chinese
Wootfish [5k\]: klingon
kostuek [?\]: polish
corners [-\]: not easy to kill the white stones there roboteddy, but if b gets the first move they won't have much left
Federici [9k\]: not weird enough to be polish
NateC [3d\]: sczk = Polish 'e'
spiritburd [1d\]: Yes people do strange things on poles
]
;W[nm]
C[spiritburd [1d\]: White corner dies
notMe [1k\]: this is a great game to watch
saborou [1k\]: いかにも変な言葉だな
funshirt [16k?\]: w gets the corner but very few territory
moesasji: when you're a stranger
moesasji: people are strange
spiritburd [1d\]: It will either die or live in extreme gote
notMe [1k\]: s3?
funshirt [16k?\]: unless b does s3 first..but it is small
Polite [17k\]: extreme gote lol
Larcon [1d\]: how about s3?
funshirt [16k?\]: s3 won the bet!
qpax [1d\]: Polish 'e' sounds the same as 'e' in red
]
;B[lm];W[mm]
C[NateC [3d\]: I bet 5 KGS-bucks that b has to play p2 instead
spiritburd [1d\]: P2 leqves ko
odbira [3k\]: replicants come out of the rain
funshirt [16k?\]: how much money is that in $?
NateC [3d\]: 8 cents
funshirt [16k?\]: alright I'm in^^
saborou [1k\]: wow, kgs+ subscriptions are really expensive then
saborou [1k\]: infact, close to 900 KGS-bucks
]
;B[or]
C[reprisal [3d\]: but you get 1000 kgs-bucks for your subscription
spiritburd [1d\]: Q4
qpax [1d\]: I'm a KGS millionaire
reprisal [3d\]: so its really agood deal
funshirt [16k?\]: wait, there really is kgs money?
spiritburd [1d\]: Q5 now ko
saborou [1k\]: natec, if this was tygem, you would've gotten points for that guess -.-
NateC [3d\]:  :)
odbira [3k\]: m9?
notMe [1k\]: s3 looked easier to me. what would w have played then locally?
saborou [1k\]: s2
NateC [3d\]: I think he would have played o3. b group looked a bit fragile
herissondu [4d\]: r4 was ko too notme
funshirt [16k?\]: damn, sending this amount will be more expensive than the sum itself...
herissondu [4d\]: but if b loose it m4 will be in danger
]
;W[pr]
C[omizu [5k\]: what is this game?
Larcon [1d\]: sausage cup
corners [-\]: cotsen open
saborou [1k\]: you know what would be epic
bbred [3k\]: no
saborou [1k\]: is if fukuyama jun worked as a go commentor
NateC [3d\]: I smell a carpenter's square
YesChoboco [-\]: its epic
]
;B[ql]
C[funshirt [16k?\]: don't know about that, I thought you were going for a 3d version of kgs...
Larcon [1d\]: That pro's move
YesChoboco [-\]: w pro
kostuek [?\]: this game looks like w is done
roboteddy [26k?\]: news
roboteddy [26k?\]: oops, wrong window. sorry
]
;W[ro]
C[notMe [1k\]: o10
YesChoboco [-\]: who is winning?
Madzilla [2d?\]: B
NateC [3d\]: o10 is a nice ZenBot move
YesChoboco [-\]: wow
saborou [1k\]: whenever a group died, epic music would play and fukuyama-senshi would laugh maniacally and say something awesome
fbp [7d\]: what is w plan if b r4
notMe [1k\]: you tell us
Larcon [1d\]: Who's fukuyama
corners [-\]: o2 then?
funshirt [16k?\]: w needs territory and there is some on the right side, but it's not even alive in the bottom yet and has to fight for survival instead of getting the points needed
Larcon [1d\]: sounds like Fukushima.
spiritburd [1d\]: S4
]
;B[qp]
C[kostuek [?\]: r4 q7?
fbp [7d\]: thx b:)
fbp [7d\]: lets see
];W[nq];B[nr]
C[Larcon [1d\]: wow
];W[mq];B[mr]
C[notMe [1k\]: i thought o2 for w instead of o3
];W[qq];B[rp]
C[Larcon [1d\]: w in trouble.
funshirt [16k?\]: if w screws this up, resign?
NateC [3d\]: Now, w can only make a carpenter's triangle
]
;W[pp]
C[fbp [7d\]: q5 seems ok
reprisal [3d\]: this looks suspciously like an L group
YesChoboco [-\]: hi fbp
fbp [7d\]: hi
notMe [1k\]: but b has to deal with the cut
Larcon [1d\]: cut first and then think
corners [-\]: q5 m3 , then?
tenuk [1k\]: w's alife
fbp [7d\]: p3
corners [-\]: m2 
YesChoboco [-\]: p3!
Goprince [5d\]: m2
Goprince [5d\]: ko?
fbp [7d\]: s3?
corners [-\]: q1 
kairos [-\]: q5 seems only move
YesChoboco [-\]: s3 interesting
NateC [3d\]: tenuk, how do you see w living?
Goprince [5d\]: q1
Madzilla [2d?\]: W can't fight a ko without losing his center group
corners [-\]: don't think it would even be ko
tenuk [1k\]: what b can do?
Goprince [5d\]: looks ko to me
NateC [3d\]: I must be missing something, because w looks simply dead: p3 s3 q5 s2 r1
corners [-\]: after q1 Goprince?
Goprince [5d\]: yes
corners [-\]: how?
YesChoboco [-\]: over no?
Goprince [5d\]: either
tenuk [1k\]: p3-q5
YesChoboco [-\]: how to 
Goprince [5d\]: l3 l2 k2 l4 
Goprince [5d\]: or
Goprince [5d\]: r2 s2 s1 r1 t2 
corners [-\]: no r1
corners [-\]: just fill a lib
curlin: gg
aussiemate [10k\]: has the fat lady sung yet5?
Goprince [5d\]: true
fbp [7d\]: q5 m3 p3 m2 s3 q1 r1 s2 l3 l2 k2 l4 l1 k3 
Goprince [5d\]: so only l3
corners [-\]: true
corners [-\]: w saves part for sure then though
YesChoboco [-\]: wow
ranyee [3k\]: how do u read this moves after being typed?
fbp [7d\]: what is w kothreat?
corners [-\]: ah, sorry, nevermind
Goprince [5d\]: w takes girst tis fine
Goprince [5d\]: first
fbp [7d\]: but b ko threat against q2
]
;B[oq]
C[corners [-\]: no threat
];W[po]
C[corners [-\]: w could fill m5
corners [-\]: to end the ko
];B[om]
C[fbp [7d\]: no
fbp [7d\]: b ko threat atari
];W[qn]
C[fbp [7d\]: with p1
];B[rn]
C[Goprince [5d\]: ur right w no threats
YesChoboco [-\]: w totally dead?
corners [-\]: after w q1 r2 s2 you mean?
fbp [7d\]: r1 s2
fbp [7d\]: yes
corners [-\]: I see, true
YesChoboco [-\]: if w is dead game over
fbp [7d\]: maybe that variation is better than this
]
;W[rm];B[so];W[ol];B[pm]
C[YesChoboco [-\]: ouch
fbp [7d\]: i have no clue what will happen here
fbp [7d\]: but maybe b read it all
iceweasel [-\]: w cld live
corners [-\]: better than w living outright and b losing something? yeah, probably :)
Larcon [1d\]: Gaem over. b will win.
fbp [7d\]: well this is ambitious
]
;W[rl]
C[Thumb [3d\]: S3 T5 T3 and W lived. Why not?
curlin: white win
curlin: gg
Goprince [5d\]: cut kills?
USGO1 [-\]: mark has stepped away from the board
iceweasel [-\]: w prefers getting out over enclosed life
]
;B[pl]
C[USGO1 [-\]: youwhan kim plays anyway
Goprince [5d\]: ofc its a mustplay to burn opponents time
USGO1 [-\]: btw check out @theaga for a photo of the players
jinroo [2d?\]: somebody knows how to get the kifu from egf pro vs japanese pro exchange match ? 
tildebis [-\]: I found only ugi format
jinroo [2d?\]: same
jinroo [2d?\]: dont know how to open that one
iceweasel [-\]: p9?
eladzap [6k\]: hey how many pros there is in usa?
tildebis [-\]: Dariush freeware can open this ormat
tildebis [-\]: format*
eladzap [6k\]: how many pros there is in the usa?
kostuek [?\]: try editor
Mef [-\]: Pros (from other countries originally) in the USA or AGA pros?
eladzap [6k\]: AGA Pros
crash [1k\]: @jinroo check senseis.xmp.net/?UGF there are links to online convertersare
Goprince [5d\]: jus t Andy
Mef [-\]: 3
Goprince [5d\]: oh
Goprince [5d\]: ah right 2 new ones this year forgot :/
Mef [-\]: Andy Liu Gangheng Shi and Calvin sun
Goprince [5d\]: gansheng is canadian :?
Goprince [5d\]: :/
eladzap [6k\]: how many pros there is that immigrated to usa?
YesChoboco [-\]: 100%
Goprince [5d\]: w has to p9 and pray ?
odbira [3k\]: http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-system
Mef [-\]: ah, that's true goprince
NateC [3d\]: Praysuji is always good
YesChoboco [-\]: haha
Goprince [5d\]: its the only legit suji out there
YesChoboco [-\]: sometimes works
Mef [-\]: Pros that immigrated?  Quite a few, not sure exactly how many
Goprince [5d\]: along with fakesuij;s
odbira [3k\]: doesRemond count?
YesChoboco [-\]: he is japanese
ranyee [3k\]: what abot the game?
nanotech [2k\]: waiting for p9?
odbira [3k\]: s9 seki?
]
;W[ok];B[pj];W[pn];B[qj];W[rq];B[mk];W[oj];B[oi];W[ni];B[oh];W[nh]
C[aussiemate [10k\]: Michael is American but he is Japanese 9p
Werfeus [5d\]: = he was born in America, but he is Japanese.
]
;B[ng]
C[Oloril [-\]: Japanese 9p is about equal to European 2k
Goprince [5d\]: ... lol
Foxy [3k\]: shots fired
aussiemate [10k\]: has a Japanese wife
Werfeus [5d\]: he is Japanese.. Japan doesn't allow double nationality :)
arrrbee [7k\]: chinese wife
kmr [1d\]: you mean double citizenship
aussiemate [10k\]: then he is American
odbira [3k\]: j12 has no eyes?
Werfeus [5d\]: right
Polite [17k\]: Yea is B in trouble in center?
Goprince [5d\]: no
Polite [17k\]: Okay
Goprince [5d\]: he just needs to kill w
notMe [1k\]: piece of cake that kill
Goprince [5d\]: nt realluy
Goprince [5d\]: really*
Weishenme [4d\]: f2?
]
;W[mg]
C[Goprince [5d\]: doesnt feel liek f2 kills
Mukti [4d\]: Killing is so last century, better allow him to live and still win/
Arhiman [3d\]: o10 !
]
;B[og]
C[Goprince [5d\]: o10 anytime
Goprince [5d\]: w alrdy cut
corners [-\]: even better Mukti, kill and lose anyways
]
;W[mh]
C[Goprince [5d\]: ok maybe not cut
Polite [17k\]: lol
Polite [17k\]: Well there are two more
]
;B[mj];W[nj]
C[jinroo [2d?\]: w saved all , wow
USGO1 [-\]: B in OT now
corners [-\]: l9 or something sente though now, is there anything against the other w group?
U [2d?\]: mark lee is too strong
]
;B[kk]
C[Goprince [5d\]: killw center
cloudnotes [8d\]: mark is in trouble
xerxes [1k\]: can w save both ?
Goprince [5d\]: dont tihnk so
]
;W[qh]
C[jinroo [2d?\]: hm right forgot about h9 and stuff like that 
jinroo [2d?\]: wow 
]
;B[rk]
C[Goprince [5d\]: s9 r7 r14 ?
];W[pk]
C[Polite [17k\]: I loved that move
];B[qk];W[qm];B[qg]
C[xerxes [1k\]: s13 works ?
Goprince [5d\]: no
corners [-\]: maybe?
Goprince [5d\]: s13 then o8?
odbira [3k\]: wow! this so educational ^_^
corners [-\]: still quite a few libs
Goprince [5d\]: no w not os many libs
xerxes [1k\]: and he still own a move in the center
notMe [1k\]: this is so hard in overtime
Goprince [5d\]: g11 seem sto kill straight up no?
roboteddy [26k?\]: if one player is in time trouble, does sometimes player with time advantage make move that opponent is unlikely to have read? or is this poor form
Goprince [5d\]: this is good style
aussiemate [10k\]: W O3 group still has aji?
Goprince [5d\]: some
Madzilla [2d?\]: it can backfire, but it's a valid strategy
Oloril [-\]: why kill when you can maim?
xerxes [1k\]: for threats
odbira [3k\]: needs to be "good enough" move 
Arhiman [3d\]: especially when you're known to lose on time a lot...
Goprince [5d\]: well, why maim hen u can kill...
corners [-\]: g11 does kill
USGO1 [-\]: mark is counting
xerxes [1k\]: well no doubt he has to
Weishenme [4d\]: t3 may lead to a seki ?
tenuk [1k\]: b leads
Goprince [5d\]: w has to live at g11 now? let b cut o8 osmehow live sente ot play s13 let b live gote and attack b middle in sente
corners [-\]: easy
Goprince [5d\]: then even game?
]
;W[rg]
C[Polite [17k\]: Fight!
];B[qf];W[ri];B[ph]
C[Goprince [5d\]: hm i dont liek this form b
Goprince [5d\]: he looks dead lol
]
;W[ml]
C[xerxes [1k\]: well thats the principle not having eyes
Goprince [5d\]: what!!!!!!!!!
corners [-\]: weird
]
;B[hk]
C[xerxes [1k\]: he is trading
];W[gi];B[ei]
C[corners [-\]: why s13 stuff if only to go back to n8?
curlin: black win
xerxes [1k\]: but why not g11 ?
]
;W[re];B[rf];W[gf];B[hi];W[sf];B[qe];W[rd];B[qd]
C[Goprince [5d\]: haha time pressure :p
];W[qc];B[pc];W[qb];B[od];W[oc]
C[xerxes [1k\]: game over
];B[pe];W[pb];B[nc];W[pd];B[qi];W[rh];B[pc];W[hj]
;B[ob]
C[xerxes [1k\]: now you know why n8
];W[ii];B[ic]
C[tenuk [1k\]: j17
];W[jc];B[ib]
C[xerxes [1k\]: but why looks dead
Goprince [5d\]: i sont understand s15
Goprince [5d\]:  i would instant r11 b looked dead
xerxes [1k\]: w
pipong [2d\]: time for t3 coming soon
notMe [1k\]: now ws big group under attack
]
;W[jb]
C[xerxes [1k\]: w going for semeai ?
odbira [3k\]: two dragons
];B[eb]
C[donner [2d?\]: big groups never die
];W[fb]
C[xerxes [1k\]: and two of them ?
USGO1 [-\]: both in OT now
USGO1 [-\]: lotta beeping
Polite [17k\]: that clamp
]
;B[cb]
C[Goprince [5d\]: res no
];W[fc]
C[Goprince [5d\]: now
pipong [2d\]: but who ?
NateC [3d\]: Both
];B[hd]
C[xerxes [1k\]: this is getting crazy
];W[dd];B[da]
C[Goprince [5d\]: how can w win this ko...
KMALM [10k\]: NateC  ^^
];W[bc]
C[notMe [1k\]: h16 so weird
];B[gb];W[fa]
C[xerxes [1k\]: how so ?
];B[fd];W[ec]
C[notMe [1k\]: slow
];B[sg]
C[Goprince [5d\]: b kills center
];W[sh]
C[notMe [1k\]: m18 needed
];B[rj]
C[Goprince [5d\]: what is that small move :/
];W[hr]
C[pipong [2d\]: 10pts ?
];B[ir];W[dr];B[cr];W[er]
C[jinroo [2d?\]: maybe time pressure
tenuk [1k\]: h4
];B[dp]
C[xerxes [1k\]: where is ws life ?
];W[eo];B[do]
C[Goprince [5d\]: k maybe not smal but at least ki ll w center!
xerxes [1k\]: center is alive
Goprince [5d\]: not at all
Goprince [5d\]: even no w not alive
]
;W[se]
C[jinroo [2d?\]: of course it is
pipong [2d\]: didn't had time to read the kill , so threatening something enough to win maybe
notMe [1k\]: h4 ko?
Goprince [5d\]: m5 l6 h3 g4 g2 
]
;B[sc]
C[tenuk [1k\]: m18
];W[rc];B[hq];W[gp]
C[jinroo [2d?\]: top is one eye for sure
jinroo [2d?\]: m18 or l13
pipong [2d\]: n5 ?
]
;B[lb]
C[Polite [17k\]: lol
];W[cs]
C[tenuk [1k\]: now ko
];B[bs]
C[jinroo [2d?\]: l13 threatening capture m12 or make eye at l14
];W[ds];B[br]
C[Goprince [5d\]: b doesnt feel like killing anymorejsut wants to win
];W[nf]
C[tenuk [1k\]: h4 makes ko
];B[me]
C[YesChoboco [-\]: whos winning
jinroo [2d?\]: definitely couldnt kill after s9 at least
xerxes [1k\]: no one
]
;W[ne]
C[xerxes [1k\]: omg
Unstable [2k?\]: this works?
];B[md];W[mf]
C[YesChoboco [-\]: no
xerxes [1k\]: that pressure
whuang [4d\]: Mark Lee? The one who went undefeated in the US Master's Division? Sweet
Goprince [5d\]: n16 n14 l13 m15 l14 l15 f1  Dead
]
;B[of]
C[Goprince [5d\]: Noooooo more greed plzzzz
YesChoboco [-\]: sorry goprince
]
;W[ej];B[dj]
C[U [2d?\]: yeah that mark lee. hes been studying with myungwan kim since the us open too
]
;W[pa];B[kg]
C[Goprince [5d\]: KilLLL
U [2d?\]: teaching too
Goprince [5d\]: finally
tenuk [1k\]: h4
tenuk [1k\]: h4
tenuk [1k\]: h4
whuang [4d\]: G2 is a big move
]
;W[le]
C[Goprince [5d\]: gg
Goprince [5d\]: death of a dragon
];B[kf];W[ke]
C[xerxes [1k\]: its alive
Goprince [5d\]: f1
];B[io];W[in]
C[whuang [4d\]: Goof find, tenuk
tenuk [1k\]: yes
];B[ip];W[jn];B[fs]
C[pipong [2d\]: no ko ?
Goprince [5d\]: no ko
Goprince [5d\]: just res
whuang [4d\]: Woah... going for the whole thing?
tenuk [1k\]: ah
tenuk [1k\]: no ko
]
;W[kp]
C[jinroo [2d?\]: haha 
Polite [17k\]: :D
];B[kq]
C[Goprince [5d\]: b sloppy forgot sente m5
Unstable [2k?\]: heartless
];W[mo]
;B[hs];W[gr];B[gs];W[fr];B[sq]
C[xerxes [1k\]: told you its alive
Unstable [2k?\]: heh impressive
U [2d?\]: byo yomi stinks sometimes
Unstable [2k?\]: these people are immortal
tenuk [1k\]: hehe
pipong [2d\]: have to seki , can't win the ko i think
]
;W[sr]
C[pipong [2d\]: ...
];B[rr]
C[RainierBob [2d?\]: somebody had asked about o3  goup aji a long time ago!
]
;W[lo]
C[xerxes [1k\]: he has less threats now that b forced the whole thing
YesChoboco [-\]: thats why
]
;B[lq]
C[YesChoboco [-\]: haha
];W[sp];B[fo];W[fp];B[sq];W[qs];B[ss];W[rs];B[ik]
;W[ll];B[kl]
C[corners [-\]: b is just ahead on points, w lost too much on the top right
]
;W[sl];B[sk];W[sr]
C[xerxes [1k\]: t18 ?
];B[oa];W[kb]
C[notMe [1k\]: r2 was simpler. no?
];B[la]
C[eladzap [6k\]: its look like black have a huge lead
];W[lc];B[mc];W[kc]
C[xerxes [1k\]: looks like or se like ?
];B[ra];W[sb];B[rb];W[qa]
C[xerxes [1k\]: t11 ?
Unstable [2k?\]: exciting to the last stone
notMe [1k\]: all in ko
pipong [2d\]: b can't play this ko
]
;B[ss];W[qr]
C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: fighting a ko at t11 would be a bit like arranging a sit-in protest in the middle of a swimming pool
]
;B[ae];W[ad]
C[jinroo [2d?\]: is this the first round ? 
xerxes [1k\]: ive did that once
]
;B[en];W[af];B[ah]
C[corners [-\]: a15 what?
];W[hf]
C[odbira [3k\]: 2nd round
];B[he];W[hl]
C[jinroo [2d?\]: ok thx
];B[il];W[jj];B[jk];W[ka];B[mb];W[lk];B[lj];W[ga]
;B[nk];W[nl];B[ha];W[ia];B[ja]
C[xerxes [1k\]: lol
];W[is];B[js];W[ia];B[hb]
C[xerxes [1k\]: a good place to resign ?
];W[mi];B[os]
C[Foxy [3k\]: i dont understand
Foxy [3k\]: o9
];W[ja];B[ag];W[ae];B[bb]
;W[db]
C[Unstable [2k?\]: whaat..
];B[li]
C[pipong [2d\]: closer than i thought
];W[ji];B[dc]
C[oldbob [?\]: half point game isn't it
Foxy [3k\]: move 275 bo9
];W[ab]
C[Foxy [3k\]: can someone explain it?
];B[ba];W[db];B[ps];W[sr];B[dc]
C[U [2d?\]: aga rules so if it is half point could come down to dame
xerxes [1k\]: timesuji
pipong [2d\]: 5,5 for b ?
xgw10 [3k\]: who is winning?
Foxy [3k\]: like couldnt white answer o9 with j19
Foxy [3k\]: instead of locally
Unstable [2k?\]: looks lke b but avent counted
xgw10 [3k\]: ok
Unstable [2k?\]: w cant win this ko?
xerxes [1k\]: where are w threats ?
eladzap [6k\]: i dont see any
eladzap [6k\]: l11 maybe
notMe [1k\]: l13
xerxes [1k\]: l11
whuang [4d\]: This game has had too many kis.
notMe [1k\]: m13
xgw10 [3k\]: b is winning
whuang [4d\]: White doesn't have threats
Unstable [2k?\]: just l11 ye
eladzap [6k\]: Mark Lee can always use a gun XD
USGO1 [-\]: w resigns
Unstable [2k?\]: oh nvm
Unstable [2k?\]: thatsa bad threat
notMe [1k\]: m13 isn't a threat?
whuang [4d\]: M13 is good
Polite [17k\]: maybe not big enough
whuang [4d\]: But only 1 threat for black
whuang [4d\]: white imean
whuang [4d\]: Black has too many threats
Polite [17k\]: okay
xerxes [1k\]: too bad
xerxes [1k\]: gg anyway
MiniST [2d?\]: black only has 1 hreat too but it was enought
xgw10 [3k\]: is this the 2nd round?
eladzap [6k\]: when is the 3rd round?
Larcon [1d\]: B is actually weak pro.
whuang [4d\]: Mini, black has plenty 
eladzap [6k\]: B is 7d
whuang [4d\]: No
MiniST [2d?\]: where?
whuang [4d\]: eladzap, the highest rank is 7d in cotsen
whuang [4d\]: 7d+is open
Unstable [2k?\]: q11, h4
MiniST [2d?\]: i see h4 and that's it
eladzap [6k\]: whuang
whuang [4d\]: So they can put a 9d as a 8d
eladzap [6k\]: a pro must register as 7d?
whuang [4d\]: eladzap, yes
whuang [4d\]: 9d must be 7d
xerxes [1k\]: really ?
eladzap [6k\]: why....
eladzap [6k\]: its stupid
whuang [4d\]: Open Section
whuang [4d\]: Not my idea
xerxes [1k\]: then dont put a rank at all
whuang [4d\]: Mark Lee is already 8d 
eladzap [6k\]: Mark Lee is a pro?
xgw10 [3k\]: no
Unstable [2k?\]: d9 no threat?
whuang [4d\]: He's pro level
whuang [4d\]: Mark Lee went 9-0 in the US Open O_O
xerxes [1k\]: and he lost...
xerxes [1k\]: whos black ?
whuang [4d\]: Probably some korean pro
xgw10 [3k\]: did he win the first round of cotsen open?
whuang [4d\]: The difference between 6d-7d is huge
ligo [4k\]: is it over?
xerxes [1k\]: the game is
ligo [4k\]: who won?
xerxes [1k\]: b
eladzap [6k\]: when is the 3rd round?
xerxes [1k\]: go on website
xerxes [1k\]: go like on fb
eladzap [6k\]: the AGA website is lame
eladzap [6k\]: i dont like it
xerxes [1k\]: cotsen ?
Larcon [1d\]: bagaller may defeat both players.
xerxes [1k\]: whats his name ?
Larcon [1d\]: bagaller?
whuang [4d\]: No.. His name
xerxes [1k\]: yep
xerxes [1k\]: lol
eladzap [6k\]: i dont understand
eladzap [6k\]: why pro's
eladzap [6k\]: are taking part in this tournament
Larcon [1d\]: kim jong un.
whuang [4d\]: eladzap, this is only for some tournaments
xerxes [1k\]: its an open
eladzap [6k\]: this tournament isn't for
whuang [4d\]: And the difference between a 1p and a 9d is not big at all
xerxes [1k\]: some anyone can go
eladzap [6k\]: those who want to become a pro?
source [6d?\]: its not a weak player only tournament
USGO1 [-\]: sorry, there was some confusion here for a sec
Foxy [3k\]: whuang i thought it was pretty big
whuang [4d\]: No
Foxy [3k\]: like 2.5 stones?
whuang [4d\]: .......
eladzap [6k\]: hey hey i have a question
USGO1 [-\]: looked like b's flag might have fallen
whuang [4d\]: 9d can beat a 1p
xerxes [1k\]: 9d is only on kgs
whuang [4d\]: Even a 8d can beat a 1p
USGO1 [-\]: but anyway Kim won
Foxy [3k\]: sorry i misread whuang
xerxes [1k\]: theres no 9d in real life
whuang [4d\]: Good game
Foxy [3k\]: i thought u said 1p and 9p
Rukis [2d\]: xerxer
Rukis [2d\]: 9p
USGO1 [-\]: stay tuned for third and final round of the day very soon
Rukis [2d\]: are 9d
USGO1 [-\]: then 2 rounds tmw
eladzap [6k\]: why pros take part in this tournament if this for those
eladzap [6k\]: who want to be a aga pro
Larcon [1d\]: bagaller failed an pro test. Korean pro test is extremely hard. That's why they are so strong.
xerxes [1k\]: 9d isnt 9p
Rukis [2d\]: yes xer
Rukis [2d\]: its Nine dan professionals
eladzap [6k\]: : why pros take part in this tournament if this for those who want to be a aga pro
corners [-\]: the tournament is not just to become an aga pro
Rukis [2d\]: not 9 professional
corners [-\]: it's just a qualifier for that
eladzap [6k\]: oh
xerxes [1k\]: ...
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