(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[5400]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
GN[2014 US Open Masters Round 8 Bd 1 Andy Liu 1p (w) vs Mark Lee 7d (b)]PW[Andy (Zhiyuan) Liu]PB[Mark Lee]WR[1p]BR[7d]DT[2014-08-15]EV[2014 US Open Masters]RO[8]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Andrew Jackson]C[USGO1 [-\]: Hello and welcome once again to continuing coverage of the 2014 US Open Masters in beautiful (ha!) New York City!
USGO1 [-\]: I'm Andrew Jackson, your recorder for the evening
USGO1 [-\]: for a game due to start in 5 minutes, the room is suspiciously empty...
USGO1 [-\]: However!  It will fill!
USGO1 [-\]: The matches tonight are great: This table features the currently undefeated Mark Lee, who delivered an upset to Hu Ziyang on tuesday night
USGO1 [-\]: but the whole lineup is fantastic: check the pairings and current results here: http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/170
Werfeus [5d\]: repairing, huh?
steady [2d?\]: well guess i came up on the correct time
Werfeus [5d\]: i see, i guess
steady [2d?\]: reapriing what?
steady [2d?\]: repairing what
USGO1 [-\]: Ok, both players are here
USGO1 [-\]: and it looks like we are ready to get underway
USGO1 [-\]: Clocks are set
USGO1 [-\]: they bow
USGO1 [-\]: and we're off!
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;B[qd]
;W[dc]
;B[pq]C[youoldgods [1d?\]: second andy v mark game
ptitlou [2d\]: what ?
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;W[dp]C[youoldgods [1d?\]: andy liu and mark lee have faced each other already in this tournmanet
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;B[de]
;W[ce]C[ptitlou [2d\]: well it doesn' tseem so
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;B[cf]
;W[cd]
;B[oc]C[USGO1 [-\]: andy nods
youoldgods [1d?\]: oh, my bad
youoldgods [1d?\]: i thought the numbers in the crosstab reflected the current standings
Dandik [1k?\]: "x=best game" -> usgo(x)=?
USGO10 [-\]: Hey Andrew. Myungwan Kim and Jungsang Park actually discussed this fuseki in their lecture this afternoon.
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;W[po]
;B[qm]
;W[qq]
;B[qr]
;W[qp]
;B[mq]
;W[pm]
;B[pl]
;W[or]
;B[pr]
;W[oq]
;B[op]
;W[pp]
;B[nq]
;W[ql]C[ptitlou [2d\]: with this joseki ?
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;B[qk]
;W[rl]
;B[om]
;W[pn]
;B[pk]
;W[rk]
;B[rj]
;W[rm]C[USGO1 [-\]: Mark takes off his watch and sets it aside
laBella [1k\]: guy with watch must be very old
ptitlou [2d\]: does the d15 exchange plays a ladder breaker role in one of the variation of this joseki ?
USGO10 [-\]: Exactly. the p4 stone is saved by the exchange in the top left.
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;B[no]C[youoldgods [1d?\]: didn't expect that
ChemBoy613 [-\]: this is a relatively new varriation, i have to study it :S
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;W[cj]
;B[jd]C[spacetime [4d\]: this game is gonna b amazing
lkjuio [5d\]: what ladder are you talking about ?
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;W[fq]C[Ananda [1k\]: i am wondering the same thing
ChemBoy613 [-\]: mid joseki the p4 stone
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;B[gf]C[Ananda [1k\]: mystery ladder
steady [2d?\]: moyo is forming
lkjuio [5d\]: I don't see when you can start a ladder on p4 
Benzene [3d\]: why do us "crosstabs" have numbers which stay the same for each player over time, instead of based o poisiton in rsults?
ptitlou [2d\]: I don't either but it seemed as if d15 was played deliberately for that and USGO10 seems to confirm. Now we have to find the ladder ;-)
Benzene [3d\]: european tournament rseults are much easier to read
lance [1k\]: o6
Benzene [3d\]: mark lee beat play 23, who the hell was player 23
ChemBoy613 [-\]: it was probably in some different varriation
grumpyjoe [-\]: usgo, is the player number in the crosstabs the initial seeding?
Benzene [3d\]: let me scan a giant list...
spacetime [4d\]: mark lee is a beast
USGO1 [-\]: yes
grumpyjoe [-\]: thanks
ptitlou [2d\]: yes mark Lee has been impressive till now. Let's see if bbw can do something !
steady [2d?\]: mark lee is only 18 too
Medriel [-\]: looks good for b
gadsden [1d?\]: What is Andy's record so far?
lkjuio [5d\]: go go go BigBadWolf !!!
ptitlou [2d\]: 5 wins 2 loss
Tzad [7k\]: W O4 would start a ladder
xedover [?\]: you can sort the crosstabs by clicking on the column headers
steady [2d?\]: is andy bigbadwolf?
gadsden [1d?\]: thx ptit
Medriel [-\]: yes
Tzad [7k\]: Before O5 was played
laBella [1k\]: p15
Goodgame [?\]: Hmm...
steady [2d?\]: oh, well his next move will decide which way this game will go
Ananda [1k\]: ok i'm giving up. cant find it
ChemBoy613 [-\]: i feel good about black position
lkjuio [5d\]: no Tzad, you can't play the ladder as white, it stops at the beginning
ptitlou [2d\]: I guess p15 would be too straightforward ?
steady [2d?\]: moyo do look good
Goodgame [?\]: Well, I think all of you have been playing seriously for a very lne time
Goodgame [?\]: *long
gadsden [1d?\]: S16?
Tzad [7k\]: What do you mean it stops at the beginning?
steady [2d?\]: school was busy
yw [?\]: i'm at a loss as white here ... why didn't he play o4 instead of r8 to keep access to the center?
HiGoodGame: r10
lkjuio [5d\]: well, it goes : o4 p5 p6 o5 and o4 is atari
lkjuio [5d\]: I don't know if that's what you mean
Tzad [7k\]: O4 P5 O5 and the ladder is on
yw [?\]: o4 p5 o6 and squeeze ...
steady [2d?\]: so is a black capture white latter?
steady [2d?\]: i see
steady [2d?\]: thats why the whites position looked overconcentrated
morth89 [1d\]: Andy Liu is Sweetrip on KGS?
starstruck [2d\]: yes
trumie [2d\]: Andy know for not using a lot of clock.  This game may be different...
steady [2d?\]: well he lost to mark once
steady [2d?\]: i think
youoldgods [1d?\]: black's moyo looks like a crab
Ananda [1k\]: how horrible is tengen in this situation?
steady [2d?\]: LOl plz youold
yw [?\]: tengen is probably a 2 out of 10
ptitlou [2d\]: i think the ladder comes if w play p7 instead of r8. If black can r6 and white cannot capture in a ladder then it is probably good for b.
ptitlou [2d\]: any 5d confirmation ? ;-)
ptitlou [2d\]: the ladder breaker would then be there to make white play r8 instead of p7
MicMac [2d\]:  for me if p7 p4 captue black without ladder
MicMac [2d\]: if p7 for white o4* 
ptitlou [2d\]: no not if black answer p7 with r6
MicMac [2d\]: oh ok yes
ptitlou [2d\]: and r6 also protect the cut at r8
Kotonoha [4d\]: BigBadWolf ! 
youoldgods [1d?\]: he's trying to figure out how to blow black's house down
MicMac [2d\]: yeah i see the point now
MicMac [2d\]: thanks
spacetime [4d\]: very interesting position
First [3k?\]: is the power of AGA 1p comparable to EGF 1p?
ptitlou [2d\]: well I am not sure MicMac
youoldgods [1d?\]: his crabby house
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;W[ne]C[steady [2d?\]: lol
ptitlou [2d\]: if any high dan who knows this could confirm that would be great... therwise we'll have to do with that ;;; ;-)
steady [2d?\]: deep
MicMac [2d\]: p7 r6 o4 p5 o5 p6 q6 is a ladder yes
steady [2d?\]: deep 
starstruck [2d\]: it depends on the aga 1p
steady [2d?\]: deppp
laBella [1k\]: close to my P15
grumpyjoe [-\]: how many aga 1p are there
yw [?\]: i don't remember any ladder when i learned p2 (when it was new)
First [3k?\]: this europe versus north america rivalry is getting hot
youoldgods [1d?\]: is mexco part of the aga?
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;B[md]C[rubio: u mean asia vs asia
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;W[me]C[ptitlou [2d\]: I remember that people started playing attachment at Q7 then P7, so I guess r6 was the natural counter
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;B[ld]
;W[qe]C[Ananda [1k\]: isnt this getting a bit heavy?
MicMac [2d\]: what about this invasion?
yw [?\]: well, if you play q7 first and p2 afterwards (like in the game) black can ignore p2 and play atari at q6 (white has no real answer to this move)
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;B[pe]
;W[pf]
;B[pd]
;W[ng]C[lkjuio [5d\]: well, ptitlou, I don't know :) I can't judge the result after w p7 instead of r8, b r6, w o4 and bp1
lkjuio [5d\]: probably good for w
Benzene [3d\]: that's good for white
ptitlou [2d\]: well after r6 and wo4 b can just go out at p5 that's the point
lkjuio [5d\]: (I mean if the ladder was good for w)
yw [?\]: your sequence has been played in pro games lkjuio, but i forgot the conclution
Benzene [3d\]: but if white has the ladder
Benzene [3d\]: white should not play o4
yw [?\]: conclusion*
Benzene [3d\]: but p1
hm212: hi, what means Zhiyuan ?
ptitlou [2d\]: oh yeah
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;B[qi]C[Benzene [3d\]: and then black swears a lot and resigns
Austin101 [2k\]: I thought that USGO said that's what b did >_>
ptitlou [2d\]: right this seems a cool joeski ;-)
hm212: actually i prefer w
yw [?\]: or a similar version, it's kinda hard to focus on variations at the moment (should turn off the stream on my other screen :P)
cooloff [4d\]: The focus is to get sente here and go back to S2
play234 [-\]: g14 position feels odd with k16
lkjuio [5d\]: Bensene, but p1 p5 s2 q6 and w's is cut ?
cooloff [4d\]: Way way toooooooo big
lkjuio [5d\]: josekis are too complicated....
hm212: b plays dame everywhere ;/
cooloff [4d\]: What are you tlaking about:-)
ptitlou [2d\]: right Ikjuio
Ananda [1k\]: why not p14 p13 r14 q13 r13 ?
Tzad [7k\]: Why R 11?
MicMac [2d\]: r11 looks very nice
Tzad [7k\]: Is not that a kind of small move?
cooloff [4d\]: W L13
ptitlou [2d\]: r11 is kind of honte
steady [2d?\]: no
steady [2d?\]: cut point at r 10
steady [2d?\]: is crucial
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;W[ke]C[lkjuio [5d\]: he reinforces to fight better
cooloff [4d\]: B plays thickness and w plays territory and reduction
hm212: l15 helsp b
ptitlou [2d\]: if you want to protect the cut protect it directly I guess
hm212: l17 now
cooloff [4d\]: so R11 is critical to keep whole balck to be consistently thick
hm212: j17*
lkjuio [5d\]: this game is cool :)
Benzene [3d\]: i want to answer this at l13
ptitlou [2d\]: a kind of move not so easy to make
rubio: j17 clearly bad
youoldgods [1d?\]: j17 is pretty passive
hm212: but its not bad
youoldgods [1d?\]: passive is bad
hm212: no
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;B[le]C[rubio: if ur a monk
hm212: why cut it right now
USGO1 [-\]: andy has gone for more water
ptitlou [2d\]: to be active
USGO1 [-\]: so mark sits back and bites his nails.
hm212: b is so berseker
USGO1 [-\]: Andy returns
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;W[lf]
;B[kf]
;W[lg]
;B[df]C[theboot [2d\]: why berseker
hm212: "berserker"
XY0908 [-\]: On the first day, I gave him a bottle of water and he looked at me like 'why?' :-)
ptitlou [2d\]: wow tenuki after that
cooloff [4d\]: G17?
XY0908 [-\]: Then he recognized me :-)
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;W[gb]C[cooloff [4d\]: Close enough
hm212: almost there cooloff
hm212: :-)
arts [1d\]: :D
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;B[cl]C[hm212: 2nd line was a missclick by usgo1?
cooloff [4d\]: Could be USGO1 misclicnked?
USGO1 [-\]: g18, swear to god
play234 [-\]: g18?? :O
cooloff [4d\]: :-)
XY0908 [-\]: haha
arts [1d\]: :DDDDDDDD
hm212: XD
theboot [2d\]: g18 is great
steady [2d?\]: well
steady [2d?\]: if it was g 17
ChemBoy613 [-\]: i like g18
steady [2d?\]: it would be harder for white to go to k 18
metlife [1d\]: g18 better than g17
hm212: g18 was pretty cool
hm212: until you see its a missclick
hm212: xD
ptitlou [2d\]: You will discuss about the interest of g18. You have two hours.
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;W[ek]C[Jermelle [-\]: g18.. omg
yw [?\]: a lot better ... g17 has the f18 weakness after j17 
ChemBoy613 [-\]: it removes any sort of h17 sente/aji for b
lkjuio [5d\]: b is really playing very thick
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;B[cn]C[hm212: g18 is interesting
play234 [-\]: perhaps it allows for w to aim at l17?
hm212: now b5 makes sense
Prm: g18 = boss
spacetime [4d\]: so boss
hm212: i would not even think and play b5 with eyes closed
hm212: but w is andy liu...
steady [2d?\]: i feel white have to connect the e9 group
steady [2d?\]: or else 2 weak groups
lance [1k\]: black can cut
hm212: so you prefer a move like e12?
laBella [1k\]: d7
cooloff [4d\]: I would say b at least fulfilled his plan
easyaspi [4k\]: e6
cooloff [4d\]: Now the thickness will show its power
theboot [2d\]: if w doesnt protect corner he get to low on cash
cooloff [4d\]: D7
steady [2d?\]: im not sure about e6
steady [2d?\]: seems too simple
hm212: e6 is very bad 
lkjuio [5d\]: I'm wondering about g18, I mean, it's big, but maybe securing left side was bigger ? Now w has potentially two weak groups
steady [2d?\]: and is ez to be cut
hm212: two groups?
cooloff [4d\]: If not g18/g17, then b has e17 then F18
steady [2d?\]: so white's e9 group either go mid in a line, or try to connect to bot
steady [2d?\]: ttom
hm212: only e9 is "trouble!
hm212: "trouble" not yet
youoldgods [1d?\]: e6 hurts white's c10, e9 stones
steady [2d?\]: or white just go all in
steady [2d?\]: c7
steady [2d?\]: :D
cooloff [4d\]: D7 is the next move
hm212: really?
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;W[dm]C[arts [1d\]: nice
hm212: spoiler?^^
steady [2d?\]: lol
easyaspi [4k\]: good call
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;B[cm]C[hm212: he is watching the stream
cooloff [4d\]: IT is the easiest answer, but w was jsut looking for more aggressive ways
steady [2d?\]: now that is white's choic on what to do
arts [1d\]: good timing especially
steady [2d?\]: where is the stream
steady [2d?\]: what?
steady [2d?\]: wherer is it
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;W[bp]C[hm212: yea, where is it?
cooloff [4d\]: Similar to L15---L13 was the honte shape move, then L15 can be the follow up of the shpae
USGO1 [-\]: no stream, sorry
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;B[dj]C[steady [2d?\]: ... hm212
steady [2d?\]: lol
steady [2d?\]: alrihgt
Burton [6k\]: Mark lee is korean right??
hm212: omg, how so cooloff said "D7 is the next move" ?
youoldgods [1d?\]: yes, korean
steady [2d?\]: ok white can push this black stone and seek connection to m13
Ananda [1k\]: ok now i see a ladder
django1 [-\]: coz d7 makes sense?
lkjuio [5d\]: ^^
hm212: he said it in 2 seconds
hm212: looks like he is on the tournament
cooloff [4d\]: D7 is not hard to guess for KGS any Ds:-)
django1 [-\]: i saw d7 too like many others here
cooloff [4d\]: come on guys
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;W[iq]C[hm212: ^_^
hm212: j3 nice lol
steady [2d?\]: Im out of shape
cooloff [4d\]: I am having lobster with butter-garlic-lim sauce
steady [2d?\]: too much school work
hm212: isnt j3 wrong order?
cooloff [4d\]: watching TV 
steady [2d?\]: well
hm212: this is looking like a kyu game
theboot [2d\]: d7 is very common peep
cooloff [4d\]: Too common
youoldgods [1d?\]: hm212, stop trolling please. getting annoying
cooloff [4d\]: I was just brave enough to say it
steady [2d?\]: lol
steady [2d?\]: i think black can do alot in his next move
steady [2d?\]: alot
Benzene [3d\]: white style is probably quite annoying
ptitlou [2d\]: lobster ? cooloff where are you exactly ?
Benzene [3d\]: just take pts
ptitlou [2d\]: I am on my way
Ananda [1k\]: e10 looks huge to my kyu eyes
steady [2d?\]: sure
mccoy [2d\]: e10 it is
hm212: i think e10 wins the game 
cooloff [4d\]: W ducked b's aggression pretty nicely
steady [2d?\]: nah
MicMac [2d\]: d9 looks a very omportant point
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;B[jf]C[theboot [2d\]: maybe e4
Benzene [3d\]: honte power
hm212: k14 nice answer
Benzene [3d\]: s2?
laBella [1k\]: M11
hm212: d9
ptitlou [2d\]: o5 r11 k14 - real honte game for Mark !
Ananda [1k\]: these calm moves really frustrate me :)
steady [2d?\]: isnt s2 too early?
cooloff [4d\]: Well, or fix top right
hm212: top right fix?
cooloff [4d\]: how about S14 or N10
steady [2d?\]: if white s2
ptitlou [2d\]: well ananda usually calm and solid moves are preliminary to pure violence
cooloff [4d\]: agree
steady [2d?\]: i think black can even ignore that 10 points and go for aggresive plays
cooloff [4d\]: like snakes
hm212: cooloff where are you?
Ananda [1k\]: gathering the chi ?
cooloff [4d\]: Philly
steady [2d?\]: n10 i think is cool
Benzene [3d\]: s2 seems andy style
Contagious [2k\]: yeah bigbadwolf
cooloff [4d\]: I would S14 for aggression, or N10 as chicken
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;W[qg]C[Benzene [3d\]: dare b to kill him
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;B[re]C[cooloff [4d\]: Close enough again
steady [2d?\]: or just ko uplol
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;W[mj]C[hm212: cooloff you're on fire
cooloff [4d\]: Just shapes
cooloff [4d\]: basic shape
cooloff [4d\]: N10 is also on mark!
metlife [1d\]: n10 is the lottery
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;B[dk]C[spacetime [4d\]: b ahead imo
steady [2d?\]: im not sure how white is going to accomplish his goal in mid
theboot [2d\]: wow this guy doesnt play like korean
steady [2d?\]: he have to do something
lkjuio [5d\]: the way b plays is really funny
lance [1k\]: Is this yose already?
hm212: i think b is trying to copy honinbo shusaku
spacetime [4d\]: white is very thin
ptitlou [2d\]: well I guess w p8 coming ?
cooloff [4d\]: B is a killer
spacetime [4d\]: or O6?
cooloff [4d\]: believe me
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;W[oo]
;B[np]
;W[rr]
;B[nr]C[MicMac [2d\]: yose
MicMac [2d\]: lol
cooloff [4d\]: F11?
spacetime [4d\]: how much time on the clocks dennis?
USGO1 [-\]: This is Andrew
lkjuio [5d\]: this seems hard to play for w
cooloff [4d\]: Not sure if E1 is sente
spacetime [4d\]: ah sry
arts [1d\]: xD
cooloff [4d\]: R1
USGO1 [-\]: and i can't see them
metlife [1d\]: b got some cash, but w seems better
XY0908 [-\]: ASk xedover to read them for you, Andrew :-)
spacetime [4d\]: unless w can get something from q9 weakness, easy game for black
cooloff [4d\]: really?
cooloff [4d\]: point wise is still balanced
hm212: hi , usgo1, are you andrew?
lkjuio [5d\]: I think b's game is really easier now
hm212: w need points
hm212: and i dunno where
hm212: magic at b12?
Ananda [1k\]: yes but b has more potential points around e12 than w has in the center 
Ananda [1k\]: not so easy for w 
lance [1k\]: blaxk bad shape at bottom
metlife [1d\]: q9 group is b's weakest link for w to exploit
ptitlou [2d\]: well q9 seems so easy to live
spacetime [4d\]: only chance. otherwise b is ahead in every way
hm212: indeed q9
hm212: good one metlife
easyaspi [4k\]: just cut at p8?
metlife [1d\]: life always good
metlife [1d\]: not p8
lance [1k\]: o6 also cuts
ptitlou [2d\]: well p10 will be sente, q12 also and s12 make the second eye no ?
XY0908 [-\]: O7 maybe?
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;W[rf]
;B[qf]C[hm212: s14 nice starting
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;W[pg]C[hm212: w is smart hheheh
hm212: well, this seems like a pass, but w is making q9 weaker
et2: how are matchups set at the tournament? I just ask because it seems Mark Lee has only played people with winning records so far, which makes sense for the leader, but can't find the algorithm online that determines who he plays next
hm212: o11 maybe?
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;B[ml]C[hm212: who is mark lee on gokgs?
]
;W[fm]
;B[io]C[XY0908 [-\]: andy is very calm.
ptitlou [2d\]: usually when mark starts playing fast its not a good perspective for the opponent ;-)
hm212: whats the counting?
hm212: k18 seems big for w
MicMac [2d\]: b14 big too
theboot [2d\]: on k18 f18 looks problematic
hm212: f18 g17?
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;W[hm]C[MicMac [2d\]: f18 g17 e17
hm212: im not sure about h7
theboot [2d\]: crooscut
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;B[eo]C[ptitlou [2d\]: b14 yose seems pretty sente if played early enough for the f11 zone not to be played
]
;W[go]C[hm212: h4
guapo [1k\]: k3
Ananda [1k\]:  f10 
hm212: i don't know what is w plan
trumie [2d\]: not saying w will win, but he does make nice shape everywhere.
yw [?\]: and what is black's plan?
hm212: b's plan? Seems to be keep the victory
hm212: because i count he is ahead
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;B[jm]
;W[ib]C[hm212: mmm
yw [?\]: black is playing on dame
yw [?\]: while white is making points
]
;B[fc]C[hm212: if w wins this game i will start making more 2nd line moves
youoldgods [1d?\]: dame? not this again
]
;W[fb]C[ptitlou [2d\]: well when your opponents try to get 6th line territory, 2nd line move are big
]
;B[hp]
;W[hr]C[hm212: w knows lots of shapes :D
aaaamigud: what?
guapo [1k\]: what if b cuts
hm212: cuts what
ChemBoy613 [-\]: cuts how?
hm212: remember d5 is sente
hm212: cant cut
aaaamigud: cuts now!
dogbert [4d\]: g4 cut
ptitlou [2d\]: well not sure with h5 sente for w
MicMac [2d\]: but d5 cut after?
aaaamigud: cuts before!
hm212: i would play more like at F11
hm212: cuting loses sente
yw [?\]: g4 f4 f5 h5 d5 c4 j4 and white has sente to live in the center
chiron [?\]:   
ptitlou [2d\]: yes f11 seems big
aaaamigud: less like f17
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;B[gp]C[hm212: wow
aaaamigud: non
hm212: who knows
aaaamigud: nobod
hm212: i would take now f10 
aaaamigud: now kot!
hm212: e10*
aaaamigud: e10 badde
MicMac [2d\]: hum yeh some aji at g2 too
]
;W[fo]C[aaaamigud: neverlands aji!
]
;B[fp]
;W[ep]
;B[do]C[hm212: im not sure of what is w doing
aaaamigud: how to liffe?
aaaamigud: w?
aaaamigud: w is doing less
hm212: d5 was very good
aaaamigud: j8?
]
;W[co]
;B[dn]C[ChemBoy613 [-\]: situation seems good for B
]
;W[jn]C[aaaamigud: very plain mov
]
;B[in]
;W[im]
;B[jo]
;W[jl]
;B[kn]C[aaaamigud: nevertheless, w will be the winning one
hm212: b messed up somehow if there isnt aji on bottom
grumpyjoe [-\]: why didn't w play f4 instead of f5
lkhhfh: ponnuki = 20 points GG
aaaamigud: for he is stup...
ChemBoy613 [-\]: this ponnuki is not 20 points
aaaamigud: now w simply alive
Herod [-\]: aaaamigud please be quiet for the rest of the game
]
;W[gj]C[cooloff [4d\]: W's corner got musch smaller:-(
]
;B[gr]C[cooloff [4d\]: F2
aaaamigud: ok
hm212: g2 is big aji?
dyago [4k\]: to harass the c8 group
ptitlou [2d\]: ootch
]
;W[gq]
;B[hq]C[cooloff [4d\]: ?!?!?!
]
;W[fr]
;B[bo]
;W[cp]C[cooloff [4d\]: OK...
cooloff [4d\]: W wants sente
alienist [5k\]: ponnuki value-depends
hm212: j2 g1 k2 is very big even with sente
]
;B[kl]C[cooloff [4d\]: B14 big
]
;W[jk]C[ptitlou [2d\]: k18 too
]
;B[ec]C[Tomer [6k\]:  has mark lee lost a game yet?
]
;W[eb]
;B[dd]
;W[cc]C[cooloff [4d\]: no
guapo [1k\]: j2 really big
cooloff [4d\]: B14 even bigger
hm212: f11 bigger than j2?
]
;B[ir]
;W[gs]
;B[jr]C[hm212: nvm
arts [1d\]: sente
]
;W[kc]
;B[kd]
;W[qs]
;B[os]
;W[bf]
;B[bg]
;W[be]C[cooloff [4d\]: B12...
ptitlou [2d\]: wow p1 bigger than b14 ?
metlife [1d\]: who is leading?
Date [?\]: is lee chinese?
Ananda [1k\]: f11 
hm212: c12 is sente
guapo [1k\]: p1 like 10 poiunts?
youoldgods [1d?\]: if b up by 4
cooloff [4d\]: C12 bad
cooloff [4d\]: For w
cooloff [4d\]: B12 is the follow up for w
hm212: but its b to play now
ptitlou [2d\]: b 12 don't work anymore now I think with weak w group below
youoldgods [1d?\]: if = i've
guapo [1k\]: L18
]
;B[ch]C[cooloff [4d\]: It actually works
cooloff [4d\]: works pretty well
youoldgods [1d?\]: date, mark lee is korean
aaaamigud: is b ahead?
]
;W[lb]C[ptitlou [2d\]: how ?
]
;B[lj]C[steady [2d?\]: nice move by black
cooloff [4d\]: B12, then D12, then connect with E11
guapo [1k\]: w is doing good
metlife [1d\]: I bet on w
ptitlou [2d\]: well if w d12 b c12 ?
hm212: g13
cooloff [4d\]: RIght, then all the points are gone and b will lose
hm212: and take ko
guapo [1k\]: w better connect
guapo [1k\]: but it also needs to save that stone so..
ptitlou [2d\]: b12 a13 d12 c12 e11d11, I don't see much difference with actual game excet that b added a move
]
;W[mi]C[lkjuio [5d\]: I think b's still ahead
hm212: f11 for b how many pts?
arts [1d\]: b+5 isnt it?
metlife [1d\]: w has no intent to connect
Ananda [1k\]: more than 5 lkjuio?
ptitlou [2d\]: s13 big too !
]
;B[fk]C[lkjuio [5d\]: I would say a bit more than 5
hm212: f9 is not good for b
]
;W[fj]
;B[el]
;W[fl]
;B[ej]
;W[gk]C[ptitlou [2d\]: yeah not sure what b got from this
]
;B[mb]
;W[bn]
;B[bm]
;W[ao]C[hm212: totally vote for s13 now
Ananda [1k\]: w doesnt care about f12 
spacetime [4d\]: B+10
youoldgods [1d?\]: b10 is a bit high i think
youoldgods [1d?\]: b+10*
metlife [1d\]: b winning? not likely
]
;B[rg]
;W[qe]C[youoldgods [1d?\]: it seems everyone who bothered to count had b ahead
]
;B[sf]
;W[qf]
;B[rh]C[spacetime [4d\]: b has won
hm212: b is ok
ptitlou [2d\]: yes this was so big
hm212: w is not alive yet
arts [1d\]: yeah b + 10 now
hm212: p12 big aji
youoldgods [1d?\]: i would have liked to see andy win
ptitlou [2d\]: and b absolut thick everywher
lkjuio [5d\]: Mark is really strong...
metlife [1d\]: go andy
cooloff [4d\]: Quite over to me now:-(
trumie [2d\]: yes b thick and w has five groups to manage for endgame
hm212: w needs something like m8
cooloff [4d\]: O18?
ptitlou [2d\]: w is a fighter but didn't had the opportunity nto fight
hm212: m9* sorry
chiron [?\]: too much on 2nd line?
ptitlou [2d\]: well b made too many points in the l5 area
chiron [?\]: yeah, j2 was big
]
;W[oi]C[cooloff [4d\]: B ahead by 10 on board
cooloff [4d\]: F11?
hm212: yea p11 is ok, but i dunno w way to win
hm212: now F12
metlife [1d\]: looking back, w S14 was not good
hm212: f11 too much aji left?
cooloff [4d\]: Or R13 dhould have been S14:-)
ptitlou [2d\]: n19 ?
ilmrahil [5k\]: h16
]
;B[fi]C[hm212: wow cooloff is good
cooloff [4d\]: My move:-)
hm212: :)
]
;W[gi]
;B[gh]
;W[hh]C[metlife [1d\]: cooloff is in fire
]
;B[gg]C[cooloff [4d\]: please not
metlife [1d\]: on fire
cooloff [4d\]: on fire
hm212: now its even hard for w
]
;W[ma]
;B[nb]C[chiron [?\]: cooloff is hot
]
;W[gc]C[ptitlou [2d\]: no way for w to recover 
cooloff [4d\]: E7 is pretty big yose
arts [1d\]: w got around 80 points b about 90
metlife [1d\]: wait for magic
cooloff [4d\]: Can't find a golf course arounf my chess torunament over the weekend
ladyhaha: Kind of boring game
cooloff [4d\]: 7.5 komi
hm212: not boring
metlife [1d\]: no blood?
hm212: its interesting game
cooloff [4d\]: w may still have a shot
spacetime [4d\]: 75 to 85 i tihnk
cooloff [4d\]: I would E7 now
]
;B[kj]C[USGO1 [-\]: mark counts before L10
MicMac [2d\]: e7 lokks like 4 points now?
spacetime [4d\]: g10 group is not alive yet
cooloff [4d\]: e7 is almost sente for w
cooloff [4d\]: so 8 points
metlife [1d\]: easy to connect
ChemBoy613 [-\]: force w to live on both sides
ptitlou [2d\]: now is good timing for e7 because it nearly thretens to live
hm212: this anyhow making sense of f9
metlife [1d\]: j11 enough for life
Elvis [1k\]: j11
cooloff [4d\]: May have to J11:-(
hm212: j11 a must ;)
cooloff [4d\]: b wins...
trumie [2d\]: h5 sente for second eye no?  he can thus tenuki?
metlife [1d\]: b wins NOT
cooloff [4d\]: All my old pals play so poorly at ths USGO
cooloff [4d\]: young kids dominated
hm212: too many chips
]
;W[ii]
;B[gd]
;W[hd]
;B[ge]C[Alife361 [?\]: res time...
cooloff [4d\]: yeah...
Ananda [1k\]: probably
hm212: counting time again
hm212: and then res
metlife [1d\]: no way
]
;W[nn]C[hm212: wow
arts [1d\]: now w escalates
cooloff [4d\]: ???
metlife [1d\]: hold your breath
]
;B[nm]
;W[on]C[hm212: ah...
]
;B[mn]C[hm212: good try w
arts [1d\]: b too much ahead it doesnt affect him anyway
Benzene [3d\]: this is a very strong congress
cooloff [4d\]: B can win as being in a turtle shell now
hm212: who is the favorite player on this congress?
cooloff [4d\]: w has no more chance
grumpyjoe [-\]: bbw is playing too safe recently
]
;W[em]
;B[dl]
;W[nk]C[ChemBoy613 [-\]: looks like all small yose from here
Elvis [1k\]: is close game
ptitlou [2d\]: agreed grumpyjoe
]
;B[ok]C[Benzene [3d\]: that's what she said
ptitlou [2d\]: I already thought that of his previous game
grumpyjoe [-\]: he used to be more aggressive
arts [1d\]: xD
hm212: epic caveman game
spacetime [4d\]: mark lee is on another level
cooloff [4d\]: I felt Andy may have concentrated on other things in life
arts [1d\]: just beats sweetrip
cooloff [4d\]: Go is low priority
Ananda [1k\]: k17 was sente, why didnt b play it?
ChemBoy613 [-\]: hard to make money with go
]
;W[mk]C[youoldgods [1d?\]: if he spends a week at a congress playing go, it is not low prioeirty
hm212: only if you are lee sedol
]
;B[lk]C[cooloff [4d\]: This is summer break
ptitlou [2d\]: or he is learning to play safer
ptitlou [2d\]: and it's not yet in place ;-)
XY0908 [-\]: andy is done with school...
youoldgods [1d?\]: any is an adult
youoldgods [1d?\]: andy*
]
;W[sj]C[okiol [-\]: you guys sure seems to know a lot about andy
gogetter51 [4k\]: yeah why didn't b play k17?
cooloff [4d\]: young adult
]
;B[si]
;W[sk]C[foxtrotzou [5k\]: k18
cooloff [4d\]: K18 work?
]
;B[qh]
;W[oe]
;B[rs]C[Ananda [1k\]: no
]
;W[ss]C[metlife [1d\]: s15 will be captured
cooloff [4d\]: no way
]
;B[jc]
;W[jb]
;B[lc]
;W[kb]C[ChemBoy613 [-\]: s11 is an eye...
]
;B[jj]
;W[ij]C[cooloff [4d\]: so over
metlife [1d\]: r12 was so chiken
metlife [1d\]: chicken
okiol [-\]: you can't see invisble units with false eyes, you need true eyes for that
hm212: metacoffee
]
;B[am]C[okiol [-\]: h5 seemed bigger?
cooloff [4d\]: losing a winning game is chicken---compete in inteligence game, there is no chicken or eagle if you are on the wining track
]
;W[nd]
;B[nc]C[youoldgods [1d?\]: cooloff is a fortune cookie
metlife [1d\]: not much left, the game is over
hm212: calm down with this chicken thing
cooloff [4d\]: I feel w is a lot weaker than black (demonstrated by this game)
okiol [-\]: chicken is healthy
okiol [-\]: lots of protein
]
;W[rq]
;B[hc]
;W[ic]
;B[id]
;W[he]
;B[ie]
;W[hb]
;B[ho]C[CageyS [2d?\]: Who is winning? 
hm212: b
]
;W[na]
;B[oa]
;W[la]C[arts [1d\]: just count
youoldgods [1d?\]: b has won
Tomer [6k\]: b+6/7?
]
;B[il]C[arts [1d\]: 10
okiol [-\]: SE has the answer
Ananda [1k\]: it was a nice game though 
arts [1d\]: yeah b played very safe should now be around 6-7
kkkkkkk: w should resign
okiol [-\]: god I love SE... before J8 all of the w group was dead, with J8, it's alive
Ananda [1k\]: i kind of hoped w would win
metlife [1d\]: a boring game, i'd say
USGO1 [-\]: w has resigned
XY0908 [-\]: J8 is a nice move
okiol [-\]: isn't it kind of weird though that you would play safe style while behind?
USGO1 [-\]: B+Res
steady [2d?\]: gg
xedover [?\]: thanks usgo1
XY0908 [-\]: Thanks, USGO1.
Alife361 [?\]: thanks
steady [2d?\]: thank you usgo1
Mors [4k?\]: thx
XY0908 [-\]: Thanks xedover.
Ananda [1k\]: thanx all
USGO1 [-\]: i'm not dennis :<
arts [1d\]: thank you dennis
okiol [-\]: USGO1, what happens if you set the winner under rules?
edlee [1k\]: USGo1 is Nathan  :)
hm212: thx dennis
hm212: sry, thx Nathan
okiol [-\]: will it pop up for everyone, cause that'd be cool
USGO1 [-\]: I just did set the winner under rules
okiol [-\]: ah
USGO1 [-\]: Ed, you troll me! :(
edlee [1k\]:   :P
hm212: usgo , who are u ? :)
xedover [?\]: okiol, it doesn't stick... there's a bug
USGO1 [-\]: it says on move 1 :P
ataraf [6k\]: so w res??
USGO1 [-\]: Thanks everyone!
okiol [-\]: it's usually there in sgf files anyway
USGO1 [-\]: Enjoy the pro commentary
hm212: thanks move 1
okiol [-\]: and i set it myself as a test, and that stuck
LEIBNIZ [2k\]: Thx
hm212: great game
hm212: i want more games!
hm212: usgo2 !
Tzad [7k\]: Why is J8 good?
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