(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[5400]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
GN[2014 US Open Masters Division - round 6 board 1 - Zirui Song 1p (w) vs Mark Lee 7d (b)]PW[Zirui Song]PB[Mark Lee]WR[1p]BR[7d]DT[2014-08-14]EV[2014 US Open Masters Division]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Dennis Wheeler]C[USGO1 [-\]: Welcome to the 6th round of the US Open Masters division live from New York
USGO1 [-\]: the players are only now starting to fill the room and check their pairings
USGO1 [-\]: Zirui Song is a 16 year old high school student from China, going to school in Tennesee
USGO1 [-\]: Mark Lee is 18 years old from Korea, and former yeonguseng (insei). A student of Myungwan Kim 9d, he will be going to school in LA
USGO1 [-\]: the clock has started
Xylol [5k\]: is there a stream?
Xylol [5k\]: and thx for relaying.
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[qd]
;W[dp]
;B[pq]
;W[dc]
;B[de]C[USGO1 [-\]: The room has settled down as all the games have started now. Only the drone of the air conditioning fan, and gentle beeps of Ing clocks
Burton [6k\]: will there be a pro commentary later this morning??
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;W[od]C[youoldgods [1d?\]: gentle beeps? they are pretty harsh
shipshape [?\]: Yes, there will be pro commentary happening later. Should be starting around 10am New York Time.
Burton [6k\]: thanks
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;B[cc]C[USGO1 [-\]: Zirui tilts his head back and stares off into the distance for a bit
rsun [6d\]: usgo1 must be strong at literature
KIRA [6k\]: why this game is very slow?
rsun [6d\]: because it is not blitz
KIRA [6k\]: XD
KIRA [6k\]: the others fast
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;W[qc]C[USGO1 [-\]: After 5 rounds, Mark is the only undefeated player. There are 7 players with a 4-1 record.
rsun [6d\]: are you the same guy who wrote the "w has left the room" paragraph?
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;B[db]
;W[ec]
;B[eb]
;W[cd]
;B[bc]C[USGO1 [-\]: no
USGO1 [-\]: he's on board 3 today
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;W[rd]C[KIRA [6k\]: W so coward
rsun [6d\]: awesome
rsun [6d\]: coward? how so?
hideyuki [-\]: and 6k saying that..
goBum [?\]: strange UL o_O
rsun [6d\]: not strange, quite standard
USGO1 [-\]: Mark sits back in his chair biting on his nails while he thinks
goBum [?\]: oh
Xylol [5k\]: i think the game is a tick deeper than it looks like :-P
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;B[fc]
;W[qe]C[jewel [1k\]: wow
jewel [1k\]: haven't seen this before
rsun [6d\]: compare the two corners, w has higher efficiency
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;B[cn]C[Minjhou [6k\]: lol
r2doubleg [5k\]: how all these us players names soudns like asians
USGO1 [-\]: its a diverse country
rsun [6d\]: d17 more aji to exploit than r16
Xylol [5k\]: r2, most of them are from china / korea, as these two.
rsun [6d\]: w may want to pincer
r2doubleg [5k\]: ok
jewel [1k\]: All Chinese except for Mark Lee?
Xylol [5k\]: @rsun but isnt it also more points for b than w got in his corner.
rsun [6d\]: if b adds a move, yes
USGO1 [-\]: Mark steps away from the table
rsun [6d\]: pro knows how to make use of those 3 stones
USGO1 [-\]: The latest standings are available here: http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/170
Xylol [5k\]: usgo, you dont have some webcam for such an event? there are a vast amount of free streaming services.
rsun [6d\]: @xylol, also b has 3 2nd-line stones, whereas w has only 1
Xylol [5k\]: hmm i never thought alot about this
Xylol [5k\]: thx.
NewRomeda [1k\]: b good :?
rsun [6d\]: zen forced me to lol
Xylol [5k\]: :-P
Xylol [5k\]: well go is all about efficency
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;W[fq]
;B[bp]C[Xylol [5k\]: efficiency*
rsun [6d\]: yes, b's corner is not as efficient
jwc [-\]: only 2 players with non-asian names in the tournament
Xylol [5k\]: i think thats on a level i dont grasp, cause i dont see there so much difference as b gets more points.
rsun [6d\]: b gets more points only if d17 dead unconditionally like r16
rsun [6d\]: but that is not the case
jewel [1k\]: second line moves aren't hard to grasp. Try playing the first 20 moves on the second line in your next game
rsun [6d\]: so you can't count d16 as b territory yet
drseilzug [8k\]: also c16 has a lot of agi left
rsun [6d\]: yes
rsun [6d\]: pro can activate those stones later
jewel [1k\]: I would have played d16 instead of f17
rsun [6d\]: however, it would be too slow for b to spend another move there to defend
jewel [1k\]: but I can see this way is better
mate105 [2d\]: Where can I see result of previous rounds?
rsun [6d\]: see usgo's previous comment
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;W[qo]C[Kip [7k\]: http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/170
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;B[qk]C[mate105 [2d\]: Thank rou
mate105 [2d\]: You*
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;W[np]C[Welvang [7d\]: in the tournament, i'm for the one with the chinese name, someone know him i forgot his name ?
USGO1 [-\]: Zirui is still leaning on the table staring intently at the board
rsun [6d\]: q5 seems like the only option
USGO1 [-\]: Mark is sitting striaght back in his chair, I can't tell if he even realizes its his turn
Jermelle [-\]: xD
drseilzug [8k\]: lol
Kmiia [3k\]: ךצשם
steady [2d?\]: is zirui a really active youth lol?
Kmiia [3k\]: lmao
Fess [6d\]: Welvang, 38 asian names out of 40 players in top group ;)  
Jermelle [-\]: I'd be thinking for Taisha as well
Welvang [7d\]: thank you for noticing fess, i didn't
steady [2d?\]: huziyang
drseilzug [8k\]: taisha vs a pro? dosent sond like a good idea^^
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;B[po]
;W[pp]
;B[op]
;W[qp]
;B[oq]
;W[oo]C[mate105 [2d\]: So Mark Lee is the only unbeatable one.
wry [?\]: sounds like a good way to test your skill :p
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;B[pn]
;W[qq]
;B[or]C[Werfeus [5d\]: aw yiss
mate105 [2d\]: What about the 3p?
rsun [6d\]: b has r9, gotta make use of it
NewRomeda [1k\]: p2 not jose ?
Welvang [7d\]: good trick
rsun [6d\]: p2 is joseki
rsun [6d\]: almost any move is joseki ;)
Fess [6d\]: empty triangle is always a tesuji
okiol [-\]: i'm surprised the pro would agree to taisha, because there is so much possibilties of b having prepared something weird that he doesn't know and get an advantage
Ootakamoku [-\]: urm,. problem for w, wont this lead to a ko for w corner if you play normal variation, as b has r9?
Welvang [7d\]: he is to one asking for taisha, okiol
Welvang [7d\]: the*
rsun [6d\]: playing taisha means "I think I know this better than you do"
NewRomeda [1k\]: i think o3 is simple or r6
NewRomeda [1k\]: p2 is new jose for me
okiol [-\]: oh.. ok
Welvang [7d\]: with o4 
Ootakamoku [-\]: r2 r6 n3 n2 m3 m2 etc?
NewRomeda [1k\]: oh r2 or s7 ?
okiol [-\]: i see, i entered late and started talking before thinking ;)
Welvang [7d\]: http://www.josekipedia.com/
NewRomeda [1k\]: oh i know this web
NewRomeda [1k\]: seems p2 is jose
wry [?\]: nice to meet you jose
lanke [4d?\]: Are results for US open available online?
Ootakamoku [-\]: r2 m3 s7 q8 o5 m5 other variation I could find
vaansama [3k\]: cte coup d'arnaque
rsun [6d\]: you can't drop the "ki" in joseki because it's jo-seki
NewRomeda [1k\]: joseki
NewRomeda [1k\]: ok
NewRomeda [1k\]: ^_^
wry [?\]: you mean this ? http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/170
vaansama [3k\]: :)
okiol [-\]: although with r9 there i'm sure things changes, is it still strictly taisha? would seem like it is a better fight for b? :s
lanke [4d?\]: thanks bud
drseilzug [8k\]: also jose means somthing different
rsun [6d\]: I think when w is pincered w cannot get a favorable result with taisha
rsun [6d\]: but I don't know any of the variations
Thou [5d\]: taisha is good when pincered
TyTaLuS [1k\]: p2?
okiol [-\]: maybe he simply has practised taisha a lot and want to try it in games
NewRomeda [1k\]: why b can p2 if b have r9 :? and r8 is not joseki ?
USGO1 [-\]: Zirui is sitting back in his chiar, arms crossed, staring at the board
wry [?\]: He's trying the telekinesissuji ?
rsun [6d\]: w has already read through hundreds of diagrams
lanke [4d?\]: who is mark lee haha?
drseilzug [8k\]: or hes messing with black and just chilin^^
USGO1 [-\]: Mark leans in, arms folded on the table
okiol [-\]: mark leens forward?
wry [?\]: so many choice in this joseki... and so many ways to **** up
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;W[qr]
;B[qn]C[Thou [5d\]: this looks good for w here
rsun [6d\]: now I don't see how r9 works
okiol [-\]: right, now r9 awkward
jewel [1k\]: too close?
rsun [6d\]: yes
Thou [5d\]: its always awkward in taisha
USGO1 [-\]: Both are leaning on the table, Zirui glances up at Mark briefly
okiol [-\]: so like this i can see how w would want to play taisha even though r9 is there
Marek [5d\]: r9 is not so close.. right now ;)
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;W[mq]C[vaansama [3k\]: :)
rsun [6d\]: did someone deviate?
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;B[lq]C[Thou [5d\]: b had no choise but to go for taisha though, the more common p4 wouldn't be good here
Prodigious [-\]: aha
Thou [5d\]: so r9 is probably a mistake
mlkiop [4d\]: m3...what is this
lanke [4d?\]: M3 is nice move, seems to work
lanke [4d?\]: D15 turns out to be nice ladder breaker
vaansama [3k\]: of cours it works
Thou [5d\]: it can't work if its not on josekipedia!
rsun [6d\]: w m4, then?
USGO1 [-\]: Zirui picks up a stone and reaches out to play, but pulls back
okiol [-\]: how many variations of taisha does josekipedia have? like 5? 
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;W[lp]C[lanke [4d?\]: if it works, it WILL be on josekipedia soon!
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;B[mr]
;W[kq]
;B[lr]
;W[kp]C[drseilzug [8k\]: lanke will it be? its an ama vs pro game
NewRomeda [1k\]: live small ?
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;B[ro]C[rsun [6d\]: b has too many 2nd line stones
lanke [4d?\]: it works but b has to crawl 
rsun [6d\]: b will have a hard time in midgame
lanke [4d?\]: so "work" is relative
okiol [-\]: meeh second line stones underrated
rsun [6d\]: you need to play more with zen ;)
lanke [4d?\]: well guess b can live so kill white first makes sense
USGO1 [-\]: Mark may not be pro, but he was in the top of the A group in the yeonguseng league in Korea
jewel [1k\]: zen is the bot?
Ootakamoku [-\]: m3 was a trickplay?
rsun [6d\]: crazy stone a tad better
rsun [6d\]: than zen
mlkiop [4d\]: this joseki is too complicated. It should be forbidden
jewel [1k\]: is O1 possible now?
DJhGO [2k\]: not too complicated asians just too mean they don't wanna do research on it.
USGO1 [-\]: Both players are leaning over the board, thier eyes darting back and forth around the corner
Marek [5d\]: b looks nice
lanke [4d?\]: looks like b has the upper hand here
lanke [4d?\]: if w S3 can b S6?
lanke [4d?\]: if w S4 I mean
Thou [5d\]: sure
lanke [4d?\]: or should b O5 directly
Xylol [5k\]: so game over :-P
Thou [5d\]: i wouldn't say that
Xylol [5k\]: i forgot the "?"
lanke [4d?\]: M3 looks like some yonguseng trap
egf3d: i fail at reading this even at a basic level
kaji82 [3k\]: what about the time?
Ootakamoku [-\]: going to cost alot to live there
Muttley [2k\]: bdead
Muttley [2k\]: w dead, both dead.
lanke [4d?\]: cost is one thing but I cannot see how to live yet
Ootakamoku [-\]: w o2 magic
Ootakamoku [-\]: just very expensive
Muttley [2k\]: doesn't w want to take off the b stones anyway?
lanke [4d?\]: yea I guess
lanke [4d?\]: I think rather die than use O2
Muttley [2k\]: if so, w can get a seki
Ootakamoku [-\]: hence the very part
egf3d: the ladder works for b, so b can hardly die unless w defends outside right now
Muttley [2k\]: w's unlikely to let b take n3 just for a pitiful life in the corner
rsun [6d\]: I didn't expect the pro would spend more time than b
lanke [4d?\]: its too expensive surely
Muttley [2k\]: oh good point egf :)
compendium [?\]: korean insei are too quick
Muttley [2k\]: I'm not reading the outside aji at all, just looking at resolving the two groups directly
lanke [4d?\]: w has to defend with weird move like N4
sanaa [2k?\]: both were korean insei?
egf3d: i think best outside defense is w N4
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;W[rn]
;B[rm]C[rsun [6d\]: the name zirui cannot be a korean name
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;W[rp]C[egf3d: then aim at squeeze, but keep corner libs in mind, and l2
indianayk [4d\]: thank you, USGO1 for sharing Mark's info 
sanaa [2k?\]: isnt there a korean soccer player named song?
lanke [4d?\]: b can extend libs by crawl crawl
rsun [6d\]: but you need to look at the first name as well
lanke [4d?\]: oh this is interesting
egf3d: i think he cannot extend many libs, actually? only 1
lanke [4d?\]: ah my friend, sometimes 1 is all it takes
lanke [4d?\]: but I havent counted libs yet
egf3d: i cant count it either :) too wide tree
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;B[no]
;W[on]C[lanke [4d?\]: chicken
egf3d: but f3 is in place, so it should not be possible
lanke [4d?\]: or maybe not
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;B[sn]C[lanke [4d?\]: b still wants to kill all and finish it here
egf3d: i would like to see w n4
lanke [4d?\]: surely the plan now is N4 and it comes down to the race
rsun [6d\]: chinese 1p should know taisha inside out
USGO1 [-\]: Zirui reaches out and straigthens some stones, and Mark steps away
cambodia [6k\]: q2?
egf3d: if n4 does not work, white has a pretty poor position, isnt it?
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;W[mp]C[lanke [4d?\]: as in if his corner dies at no compensation
lanke [4d?\]: then yes
egf3d: indeed
lanke [4d?\]: but its a race and I havent counted libs
lanke [4d?\]: because I am neither pro nor yeonguseng ^^
egf3d: at least we can concentrate on this n4 variation now instead of all the other stuff
USGO1 [-\]: White has only used under 20 mins so far, black as used almost half
USGO1 [-\]: both players are away from the board
lanke [4d?\]: does not look like b has than many libs man
jewel [1k\]: both shapes are dead locally?
egf3d: one of these situation where pretty much ANY move could be the right move
Slayaan [1k\]: how much did they have at beginning?
rsun [6d\]: 90
egf3d: yes both dead locally
Slayaan [1k\]: ok ty
lanke [4d?\]: well actually, only one of them can be dead
lanke [4d?\]: they cannot be both dead haha
egf3d: :)
jewel [1k\]: you never know
jewel [1k\]: :-)
egf3d: ok lets try b O2 first
lanke [4d?\]: they could also be both alive
lanke [4d?\]: that is a possibility
Slayaan [1k\]: is the game almost done with it ?
rsun [6d\]: who is shirley lin?
USGO1 [-\]: they return to the table together
egf3d: how would b attack the corner? s1? s2?
lanke [4d?\]: I think if I was black I would have chickened out and played N5 instead of T6
lanke [4d?\]: but I am weak like that
egf3d: yes, me too
lanke [4d?\]: the fact that black is thinking does not bode well for b
lanke [4d?\]: he is supposed to read the race before he played T6 not after
USGO1 [-\]: Shirley Xuefen Lin is a Chinese 1p who has been living and teaching in the US for a number of years now
egf3d: i think i could solve this given 30 minutes and a computer goban
Thou [5d\]: nice
rsun [6d\]: good for you
USGO1 [-\]: If I remember correctly, she won the US Open once a few years back
alienist [5k\]: b like Schrodinger's cat/;~}
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;B[kr]
;W[jr]C[Thou [5d\]: black is thinking alot because w made a joseki mistake probably
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;B[ir]
;W[jq]
;B[js]C[NewRomeda [1k\]: can b live if w tenuki ?
Tomer [6k\]: is s2 now alive?
Ootakamoku [-\]: b was the one who played the first move in this fight that I cant find ni any joseki database
r2doubleg [5k\]: .
Ootakamoku [-\]: m3 that is
Ananda [1k\]: no tomer
Tomer [6k\]: thanks
jewel [1k\]: s2 r1
Ootakamoku [-\]: as in, I cant find m3 even in tygem.fuseki.info which has all tygem high dan games
Thou [5d\]: if he played p2 he knows these stuff, and knows m3 for sure
nebulous [1k\]: B dead
egf3d: if s2 r1, it seems to be a close semeai
ofir271 [3k\]: depend if w dead before
egf3d: its ws turn now though
compendium [?\]: all tygem high dan games? that is insane
nebulous [1k\]: l1 then o2
Ootakamoku [-\]: I cant figure out whichorder you intend s2 r1..
Ootakamoku [-\]: move to make maximum liberties in corner is s1 afaik
egf3d: oota, with q2 as is?
Thou [5d\]: l1 m1 o2 
egf3d: thou, that looks like certain life for w
Ootakamoku [-\]: I think regardless of that
rsun [6d\]: thou art right
lanke [4d?\]: there you go black crawl crawl
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;W[hq]
;B[sp]C[okiol [-\]: even if black crawls i think he comes out ahead
egf3d: L1 looked like mutual life
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;W[sq]
;B[sr]C[lanke [4d?\]: this is more than 1 lib
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;W[so]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: dont think b is in any mood for mutual life
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;B[nm]C[egf3d: yea
Ootakamoku [-\]: this position would be kinda bad for it
lanke [4d?\]: b has lots of locals
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;W[om]
;B[sp]C[egf3d: oota, but w chose not to allow mutual life :D
egf3d: so w intends to kill
lanke [4d?\]: well someone gonna die
vaansama [3k\]: die
jewel [1k\]: O2 is a local threat?
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;W[pm]C[indianayk [4d\]: what is wrong with crawling to extend liberties in a tight fight? 
lanke [4d?\]: w is going to sac the corner and get some massive profit somewhere then the game can continue
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;B[rq]
;W[qm]C[Marek [5d\]: ko
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;B[rn]C[lanke [4d?\]: nothing is wrong with crawling but most would rather walk with head held high
moesasji: ko where
wry [?\]: white died, he made a cross for his tomb at r4 
ofir271 [3k\]: corner dead
jewel [1k\]: haha
Marek [5d\]: s8 sente
lanke [4d?\]: it looks kinda like a tiny corner now
jewel [1k\]: now r9 is perfect
egf3d: s8 r8 s2 t3 t1 s1 r1 ?
Ootakamoku [-\]: still ko
Ootakamoku [-\]: hmm, maybe not
Ootakamoku [-\]: cant read
ofir271 [3k\]: no ko
lanke [4d?\]: if you cant read then nobody can
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;W[rl]
;B[ql]
;W[rr]
;B[sq]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: ah, still ko yes
wry [?\]: yesko
indianayk [4d\]: ko again
moesasji: s1, q2
ofir271 [3k\]: ow ye
egf3d: actually not ko?
Marek [5d\]: and this time w will take... and kil ?
egf3d: but w gets 1 eye
Ootakamoku [-\]: b stil has p8
Ootakamoku [-\]: or o6 maybe
lanke [4d?\]: 1 eye to stare death in the face with
egf3d: 1 eye to use against the M2 stones
jewel [1k\]: should be enough?
Thou [5d\]: p8 should be played now
Thou [5d\]: ah its w's turn
ofir271 [3k\]: r1?
sagesse [-\]: p9 
Marek [5d\]: t1
egf3d: maybe w has to prepare first ?
steady [2d?\]: t1 is better than r1
lanke [4d?\]: well w has to T1
Ootakamoku [-\]: ya, starting ko directly seems iffy
Thou [5d\]: anyway b should p9 before the ko starts
lanke [4d?\]: otherwise I dunnow what he is playing
Ootakamoku [-\]: rather p9 etc first
miao [6d\]: t8 first maybe
xerxes [?\]: r10 ?
Thou [5d\]: p8*
steady [2d?\]: r1 will make black find the ko threat first
steady [2d?\]: sorta
Marek [5d\]: t1 
compendium [?\]: isn't w in trouble?
Marek [5d\]: still -
miao [6d\]: why compedium
miao [6d\]: ?
xerxes [?\]: he is
lanke [4d?\]: well they are both in trouble until one of them wins
egf3d: t1 s1 r1 s9 t1 t8 t5 t3 t4 q2 
miao [6d\]: hm
egf3d: w dies no ko ?
ofir271 [3k\]: b got some nice threats on p7
NewRomeda [1k\]: b dies
Ootakamoku [-\]: b plays first threat, and p7 stones are probably just as big as corner
gweg4: but p7 is loval
Ootakamoku [-\]: p7 stones more like they are bigger
Thou [5d\]: w shouldn't start the ko now
gweg4: local
NateC [3d\]: That's an interesting sequence, egf
egf3d: oh my sequence was crap :)
Kip [7k\]: T1 preferred to T7 because T7 has aji that would be lessened if the ko goes to black?
sagesse [-\]: indeed it seems there is no ko
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;W[cm]C[gweg4: ah tenuki
Marek [5d\]: BEST FOR B after W T1 (local)
Marek [5d\]: t1 s1 r1 p8 
Marek [5d\]: and one step...
ofir271 [3k\]: just s9
egf3d: i think marek has it right
compendium [?\]: w had no other choice but to play away
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;B[bm]C[Marek [5d\]: atari for atari - local
]
;W[bn]
;B[bo]C[Marek [5d\]: w creating more ko threats...
Thou [5d\]: no,,
compendium [?\]: w needs 2 threats
egf3d: surprised b chose b5
Thou [5d\]: he just plays joseki
Thou [5d\]: he can't play the ko
compendium [?\]: but w has only 1 after playing b6
]
;W[ss]
;B[rs]
;W[qs]C[xerxes [?\]: i dont get it, after p8 if w takes t5 its sente ?
lanke [4d?\]: oh boy
Marek [5d\]: p8
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;B[ol]
;W[nn]
;B[pr]C[Mirth [2d\]: lol seems he can
Thou [5d\]: i don't think so
]
;W[mo]
;B[mn]C[xerxes [?\]: what ?
compendium [?\]: um
jewel [1k\]: what?
Kmiia [3k\]: ?
xerxes [?\]: the ko ?
egf3d: mean b
Thou [5d\]: ???
lanke [4d?\]: transcribing error?
NewRomeda [1k\]: ?
ofir271 [3k\]: b crazy
compendium [?\]: n5 at t1
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;W[dn]
;B[an]
;W[ss]
;B[pl]
;W[no]C[compendium [?\]: at least the board looks the same 
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;B[rs]C[compendium [?\]: haha
Prodigious [-\]: heh
Ootakamoku [-\]: and now free move
vaansama [3k\]: 2
]
;W[rk]
;B[ps]C[xerxes [?\]: s9
]
;W[qj]
;B[pj]
;W[qi]
;B[pi]C[compendium [?\]: but i dont understand why w didnt use b6 as a ko threat
]
;W[ph]C[compendium [?\]: i guess he judged it was too small
USGO1 [-\]: did I miss a move?
lanke [4d?\]: nope
Thou [5d\]: no?
NewRomeda [1k\]: n7 n8 need ?
lanke [4d?\]: just that we all missed amove
jewel [1k\]: strange moves were just to make a threat bigger?
grumpyjoe [-\]: he decided q7 was more valuable than r4
Marek [5d\]: Pros almost lost.
]
;B[qh]
;W[rh]
;B[qg]C[ofir271 [3k\]: w right gain is big too
steady [2d?\]: if black can get our of the right situation comfortably (probably wont), then is gg
steady [2d?\]: out*
]
;W[pg]C[vaansama [3k\]: b is small in corner
xerxes [?\]: this is weird, b center seems hard to kill and its directly against ws influence
egf3d: w gained on the left side, because b is low even though he should be high there
ptitlou [2d\]: well yesterday pro was considered as winner and finally lost, so may be today is the opposite...
xerxes [?\]: how w should take profit from it ?
]
;B[ni]C[xerxes [?\]: pro lost ?
lanke [4d?\]: well that was exciting
indianayk [4d\]: o11 is sente for r12
lanke [4d?\]: I dont think you will find this result in josekipedia
]
;W[cl]C[Kmiia [3k\]: lol no sht
USGO1 [-\]: Zirui lost to Matthew Hu in round 4. Matthew lost to Mark in round 5
xerxes [?\]: i thought amateurs were no match for pros
lanke [4d?\]: but all pros were amateurs once
USGO1 [-\]: xeres, where's the line between amateur and pro?
lanke [4d?\]: so I guess it depends on which amateur and which pro ^^
]
;B[rg]
;W[ri]
;B[ng]C[Kmiia [3k\]: its not really true though, a 7 dan can still beat a 1p
Tomer [6k\]: how much time do they have left?
ptitlou [2d\]: how are the player now ? In terms of attitude ?
xerxes [?\]: i dont know, ive just seen that sedol gave 3 stones to us pros
steady [2d?\]: theres barely a line
steady [2d?\]: people cant get pro in china one overage
steady [2d?\]: once*
USGO1 [-\]: Both players still seem tense, each still leaning on the table studying the board
]
;W[qf]C[ptitlou [2d\]: thank you
lanke [4d?\]: nice sac by b to make shapey
Thou [5d\]: game looks open
indianayk [4d\]: r14 was painful
Taro [-\]: test
USGO1 [-\]: these aren't our aga pros. both of these players have had professional training
xerxes [?\]: m17 ?
fye [3d?\]: was Q14 better though?
]
;B[sj]C[xerxes [?\]: thx usgo
]
;W[rj]
;B[mm]C[lanke [4d?\]: nice shapey
lanke [4d?\]: I dont think whites thickness is thick enough to be called thickness
Ootakamoku [-\]: this board looks so lol
lanke [4d?\]: its winking at us
xerxes [?\]: n12 ? o9 ? h17 ? c14 ?
mlkiop [4d\]: the position seems great for b to me
lanke [4d?\]: I agree
Ootakamoku [-\]: ya, take b in a heartbeat
lanke [4d?\]: except I will prob take b and then lose from here
Thou [5d\]: w is ok imo
steady [2d?\]: lol
mlkiop [4d\]: ^^
fye [3d?\]: both are solid everywhere
ioppio: c3?
Ootakamoku [-\]: hmm, if u say so, I have difficult time seeing w position as ok
lanke [4d?\]: yes but b surely has better cash
steady [2d?\]: well
steady [2d?\]: if simply looking at the board
steady [2d?\]: seems like white wasted too many moves on bottom right
Thou [5d\]: upper right is big
]
;W[jc]C[Thou [5d\]: bigger than lower right
pete038861 [3k\]: the left b group looks dangerous
lanke [4d?\]: w has got one eye and a smile, black has got one eye and a huge tongue
steady [2d?\]: without building a sufficent thickness
xerxes [?\]: w get some cash ?
pete038861 [3k\]: in danger
lanke [4d?\]: slow and steady
]
;B[jm]
;W[cq]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: k7 = I have won
]
;B[do]
;W[eo]
;B[co]C[ioppio: i thought you weren't spposed to allow r15 atari
]
;W[en]C[Thou [5d\]: nah k7 big
]
;B[md]C[lanke [4d?\]: K7 is muscle flexing point for both
compendium [?\]: so fast
]
;W[je]C[pete038861 [3k\]: d5 helps b gain a free stone handi
ioppio: k7 not k6 is interesting
xerxes [?\]: w looks in trouble again ?
egf3d: w L17 was too close?
pete038861 [3k\]: I think b will win this game now
lanke [4d?\]: heaven king mountain
]
;B[kd]C[xerxes [?\]: l16 looks practical ?
Ootakamoku [-\]: looks early, but if he needs it for something then sure
lanke [4d?\]: B is way ahead in terms of points
USGO1 [-\]: Mark checks his opponent's time
]
;W[kc]
;B[jd]
;W[id]
;B[lc]C[lanke [4d?\]: as long as nothing dies, b should win comfortably
indianayk [5d\]: k7 makes b thicker with less danger for being cut-off
lanke [4d?\]: the board is getting smaller now
USGO1 [-\]: white has 25 mins, black has 58 mins
lanke [4d?\]: points and minutes are about the same
lanke [4d?\]: hehe
lanke [4d?\]: ok w has more than 25 points
lanke [4d?\]: but b 58 is close
]
;W[ke]
;B[ld]C[iceweasel [-\]: who else cloned this game to be able to go back moves?
gweg4: he was talking minutes
Marek [5d\]: B take all place where W can make points...
xerxes [?\]: i dont get how so many pro's group die considering their reading abilities and tesuji knowledge
Marek [5d\]: this will be fast game.
lanke [4d?\]: indeed
lanke [4d?\]: it cannot take more than 1h and 23 minutes more
lanke [4d?\]: or w may throw in the w towel here
SIscurge [5d\]: I think black may be just slightly ahead. Not more.
]
;W[fd]C[xerxes [?\]: nah, it was all part of ws plan from the beginning
Dandik [?\]: pro:(
lanke [4d?\]: I miss the days when chen yaoye used to play on kgs haha
]
;B[ie]C[xerxes [?\]: ouch
lanke [4d?\]: the first cut is the deepest, lucky for w this is not the first cut
rsun [6d\]: w needs some miracle
jewel [1k\]: might be the last one
]
;W[if]
;B[he]
;W[hd]C[indianayk [5d\]: b played wonderfully by being able to cut at j15. w expected g17 response 
xerxes [?\]: isnt it more like ws mistake ?
Marek [5d\]: b wants too much
indianayk [5d\]: anxious to see b's response
xerxes [?\]: g15 ?
]
;B[hf]
;W[hg]
;B[gf]C[Marek [5d\]: tesuji ;-)
jewel [1k\]: second empty triangle this game
jewel [1k\]: but the first one turned out well
]
;W[gc]
;B[fb]
;W[dd]C[Minjhou [6k\]: bum
xerxes [?\]: modern go theory : empty triangle is good shape
]
;B[ce]C[xerxes [?\]: ws dying ?
Dandik [?\]: :(
]
;W[bd]
;B[be]C[xerxes [?\]: im pretty sure its because ws loosing cause he isnt used to us food
guapo [1k\]: so b is an ama from china>?
Dandik [?\]: b>1p
]
;W[ff]
;B[gg]C[ioppio: b korean
pete038861 [3k\]: lee, probably korean?
indianayk [5d\]: there are prenty of oriental foods including chinese near the hotel 
guapo [1k\]: well bruce lee was chinese
xerxes [?\]: us chinese isnt chinese
xerxes [?\]: western "oriental" food...
Burton [6k\]: I think asian is a proper term these days
pitchina: turkey is in asia...
xerxes [?\]: so ws top is dying
xerxes [?\]: bs securing big moyo
]
;W[fe]
;B[ad]
;W[ig]C[Meepy [-\]: no cursing xerxes
xerxes [?\]: cursing ?
]
;B[fg]
;W[kb]
;B[lf]C[Kip [7k\]: bs = bullsh*t....
pitchina: words like bs, wtf &c are forbidden on kgs
xerxes [?\]: b's
]
;W[gb]
;B[ii]C[rsun [6d\]: b=black, s=schwarz
pitchina: word "black" itself is pushing it
USGO1 [-\]: lets focus on the game please
Dandik [?\]: b=beyaz s=siyah
xerxes [?\]: s is possessive
]
;W[jl]C[ofir271 [3k\]: w kind of lost allready
pitchina: how could w win this? seems hopeless already
xerxes [?\]: j18 kills ?
rsun [6d\]: w can win if b makes a terrible mistake
]
;B[il]
;W[ik]
;B[jk]C[Marek [5d\]: and trying to magic
pete038861 [3k\]: magic :P
]
;W[hi]
;B[ij]
;W[gh]
;B[gj]C[pitchina: this is so painful
rsun [6d\]: is w no longer an active pro?
USGO1 [-\]: 10 min warning for white
]
;W[fj]
;B[eg]C[steady [2d?\]: white is 16 years old
rsun [6d\]: does b play on KGS?
steady [2d?\]: you cant really determine if white is active or not
]
;W[kg]C[steady [2d?\]: hes still young
rsun [6d\]: if w lives in the US, then he's probably not
]
;B[fi]C[xerxes [?\]: steady plz
]
;W[fh]C[pitchina: lol, do pros retire at 16 these days? fast world
steady [2d?\]: ture
]
;B[ei]C[steady [2d?\]: wats up xerxesa
steady [2d?\]: xerxes*
]
;W[eh]
;B[dh]
;W[di]
;B[gi]
;W[hh]
;B[ch]C[ofir271 [3k\]: b making unessasery risks
pete038861 [3k\]: reminds me of the so called gaming pros these days. retire at 21, 22, like they have already done with their lifes
lanke [4d?\]: w looking to resign it seems
ofir271 [3k\]: but seem to work for him 
botBot [4k\]: b making risk?
USGO1 [-\]: white resigns here
Marek [5d\]: no risk now
rsun [6d\]: I can't believe active pro can be tortured like this in a fairly slow game
USGO1 [-\]: thanks everyone for watching
Dandik [?\]: :)
USGO1 [-\]: B+r
ofir271 [3k\]: thanks
xerxes [?\]: retiring in your 20s means you can enjoy at least 40 years
steady [2d?\]: ;p;
steady [2d?\]: lol
indianayk [5d\]: thx USGO1. YOU ARE JUST WONDERFUL
Dandik [?\]: next game
rsun [6d\]: thx
pitchina: that kinda implies you were not enjoying what you were doing before
ioppio: impressive black
pitchina: very sad
xerxes [?\]: thx usgo
pete038861 [3k\]: no. they are still a gaming nerds after they retire. nothing change much
ioppio: how old is black?
steady [2d?\]: definitely going to congress next year
steady [2d?\]: 18 i think
USGO1 [-\]: next round, 7, will be tomorrow morning 9am (<gmt>2014-08-15 13:00</gmt>)
xerxes [?\]: jobs tend to rip off the fun of what you like
xerxes [?\]: d13 wasnt working btw ?
maun [2d?\]: who know the record of Andi now 
steady [2d?\]: andy liu?
steady [2d?\]: 3-2
maun [2d?\]: he lost 2 already?
steady [2d?\]: i believe so
steady [2d?\]: i was checking the standing
wry [?\]: http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix
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