(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[5400]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
GN[ING Board 1: North American Ing Masters - Zi Yang (Matthew) Hu 1p (W) v. Curtis Tang 7d (B)]PW[Ziyang (Matthew) Hu]PB[Curtis Tang]WR[1p]BR[7d]DT[2012-08-06]EV[2012 Ing Masters]RO[2]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Andrew Jackson]C[hvk [-\]: ין
hvk [-\]: HI
USGO1 [-\]: Hi everyone, welcome to round 2 of the 2012 ING masters from beautiful black mountain NC!
USGO1 [-\]: I'm Andrew Jackson, your game recorder this evening
USGO1 [-\]: The TD is making his announcements
USGO1 [-\]: The time limits are 90 minutes each player, with 5 periods of 1 minute byo-yomi
USGO1 [-\]: Curtis & Ziyang apparently knew each other in Shanghai when Curtis was studying in China
USGO1 [-\]: They played a few games -- Curtis apparently gave him two stones and won
USGO1 [-\]: but then again, Ziyang was perhaps 8 years old at the time
mw0x2a [2k?\]: andrew jackson, eh? sounds familiar
hvk [-\]: 7D IS 1P
hvk [-\]: .
USGO1 [-\]: (and Curtis was 12)
hvk [-\]: ?
mw0x2a [2k?\]: no, hvk
USGO1 [-\]: Both players are ready, the clock is set, waiting for the sign from the TD here
Syu [2k\]: Ziyang Hu is Matthew right?
USGO1 [-\]: Correct
Syu [2k\]: ty
hvk [-\]: YES 
USGO1 [-\]: We'll also have a videostream up in a few moments
USGO1 [-\]: and we're off!
USGO1 [-\]: Curtis' clock is running
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[cp]
;W[pq]
;B[dc]C[Thus [2d\]: is w a chiniese pro?
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;W[pd]
;B[po]
;W[qm]C[USGO1 [-\]: Yep!
Fukurokuji [1k\]: how old is w?
Thus [2d\]: why is he allowed in amatur tournys then?
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;B[qf]
;W[nc]C[USGO1 [-\]: cam feed: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US 
tildebis [-\]: because it is open tournament probably
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;B[qq]
;W[mq]C[Thus [2d\]: does he live in the US now?
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;B[pp]
;W[pr]
;B[ro]C[USGO1 [-\]: Curtis heads off for a walk
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;W[ep]C[Syu [2k\]: it says in the site Hu is from CA (canada?)
Thus [2d\]: he should be, he picked an old version of this joseki, and r14 was a waste also
Thus [2d\]: (curtis)
Teebird [2d\]: Syu: California
vegmandu [3d\]: r10?
Syu [2k\]: ah, ok
Thus [2d\]: becoming a chinese pro is extremely hard these days, he should take this tourny with no efford
Thus [2d\]: i bet he can give b two stones
]
;B[gq]C[USGO1 [-\]: Mingming (Stephanie) Yin, another chinese 1p, took a look at the game before wandering off
USGO1 [-\]: Matthew is out of the room at the moment, having walked out while Curtis was cogitating over G3.
USGO1 [-\]: Stephanie is playing on USGO5
gogol1er [1k\]: do you have the right to touch opponent stones?
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;W[cq]C[USGO1 [-\]: yes, adjusting stones is ok.
gogol1er [1k\]: thx
Uberdude [4d?\]: but excessive is rude imo
Koffein [-\]: the video does not work :/ everytime i click on the stream link, it logs me out ...
USGO1 [-\]: and matthew pops out of his seat again
gogol1er [1k\]: it's your pc maybe
Uberdude [4d?\]: get these kids some ritalin!
Crypto [3d?\]: Warning: session_start(): open(/var/tmp/m ... eurogotv has problems keeping the session
Architect [5k\]: lol
Architect [5k\]: white is going away everytime
ichiruk [4k\]: What is better a 1 p or a 7 dan?
okm [7k?\]: 7k
ichiruk [4k\]: lol
Architect [5k\]: 1p
gogol1er [1k\]: it's forbidden to bring drink at the table :-)
ichiruk [4k\]: I thought a 1 p is just a proffesional 1 dan
choguling [7k\]: yes it is
ichiruk [4k\]: so how is a 7 dan worse
ichiruk [4k\]: even if he is a amatueur 7 dan
choguling [7k\]: cause it's amateur
Valtgtrg: a proffesional 1dan is usualy only attained after that person reaches at least 7dan
gogol1er [1k\]: everyone knows about the youngest 1p?
ichiruk [4k\]: oh
Valtgtrg: most cases a proffesional 1 dan is attained after they reach 9dan kgs
ichiruk [4k\]: Ahh that makes sense. lol Thanks for clearing things for me
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;B[dq]
;W[dp]
;B[eq]C[Valtgtrg: not that they must reach 9dan kgs
Valtgtrg: saying they will more than likely be stronger than that 
Legendre [-\]: don't understand why they think about moves like d3 :/
vegmandu [3d\]: anyone else having trouble with the video feed?
Wrenn [1d\]: legendre, d3 is joseki
]
;W[fq]
;B[fr]
;W[co]C[Legendre [-\]: yes and he must have decided d3 when he played g3
Legendre [-\]: or what?
Valtgtrg: its a mystery he coulda decided before the game
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;B[bp]
;W[fp]
;B[dr]
;W[gp]
;B[hq]C[Valtgtrg: he could just be a d3 man
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;W[bo]
;B[bq]
;W[ck]
;B[qr]
;W[qj]C[USGO1 [-\]: after much thought, these came out quickly
gogol1er [1k\]: why so small extension from w wall?
Lynx [1d\]: it has a weakness at d5/d6
gogol1er [1k\]: i would play c9 without d4, e4, f4, g4
vegmandu [3d\]: every time i login it says hi member but when I try to see the live feed it sends me back to login?
USGO1 [-\]: a phone goes off before extreme shame silences it
choguling [7k\]: you need an account
kyyni [3k\]: c9 connects the wall
vegmandu [3d\]: I have 2 accounts
choguling [7k\]: oh nvm
gogol1er [1k\]: d5 is not a threat, there is a geta
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;B[rd]C[Ripples [2k\]: lol
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;W[qc]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: lol...
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;B[qh]C[Wrenn [1d\]: lol, the cut is not the threat
Wrenn [1d\]: the fact that threatening the cut and the invasion :P
Warfreak2 [4d\]: d5 is a weakness in the shape
USGO1 [-\]: Curtis finds his cup empty and heads off for water
Warfreak2 [4d\]: if you don't get cut you will spend a move at some point on not getting cut
]
;W[ce]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: well, its hard to see how d5 weakness could be used
Josh2605 [7k\]: wow left to watch some anime and came back and just wow
kukulis4 [2d\]: that mean what? :)
]
;B[di]C[Moongrass [4k\]: hmmm... i would never play d11 at this point...
Josh2605 [7k\]: white wins by resign near mv 240
kukulis4 [2d\]: black gives corner with this move?
Wrenn [1d\]: I was thinking d14, so this is more conventional than my guess :P it is begging to be pushed down though.
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;W[ed]
;B[ec]
;W[fd]
;B[fc]
;W[gd]
;B[hc]C[gnarf [1k\]: why push one more here?
Moongrass [4k\]: c12 now?
Elscouta [2d\]: f11 gogo
gnarf [1k\]: f11 , banzai!
murai [4d\]: g11 ?
gogol1er [1k\]: f10
Ripples [2k\]: j15 :(
Wrenn [1d\]: h16
ElZorro [7k?\]: g17
Moongrass [4k\]: g17 is sad
Elscouta [2d\]: g17 extremely bad move
ElZorro [7k?\]: what if white play it
Wrenn [1d\]: White kills aji
Wrenn [1d\]: and gains nothing
Tomeru [6k\]: f11
Elscouta [2d\]: more than just aji
Wrenn [1d\]: (infact, only loses a liberty)
Elscouta [2d\]: it removes a very important lib
Elscouta [2d\]: then h16 becomes dangerous 
cl3m7 [1k\]: e10
ElZorro [7k?\]: on this joseki, i though there is a variation with g17 here
Moongrass [4k\]: starting to think w will just play h16 now
ElZorro [7k?\]: still hane on 3, no?
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;W[fi]C[Moongrass [4k\]: oh
gnarf [1k\]: cool^^
Elscouta [2d\]: \\o/
GreedKills [2k\]: yay
GreedKills [2k\]: time for fun
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;B[ej]C[GreedKills [2k\]: watching a pro deal with this will be so instructive
ElZorro [7k?\]: if i only had a clue
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;W[gk]C[Moongrass [4k\]: g9 looks good
Elscouta [2d\]: i would not like being black
Lynx [1d\]: g9 is the standard followup to e10
Moongrass [4k\]: yeah
GreedKills [2k\]: i'd probs die here
toodrunk [1d\]: how do get get the live video of this game?
USGO1 [-\]: Gansheng Shi and Andy Liu, the two new American pros
USGO1 [-\]: look on with interest
GreedKills [2k\]: yay usgo1
toodrunk [1d\]: can we see the players?
USGO1 [-\]: Gansheng is also modelling a stylish KGS t-shirt
GreedKills [2k\]: hahaa
USGO1 [-\]: there's a cam feed available at: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US 
toodrunk [1d\]: thanks 
USGO1 [-\]: Matthew goes for a walk around the room.
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;B[el]C[planvert [16k\]: slt 
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;W[cm]
;B[cg]
;W[eg]C[Sisley [4k\]: w going for the kill ?
Moongrass [4k\]: duh
Lynx [1d\]: very hard to kill
gogol1er [1k\]: w is preparing the hunt for r12
kukulis4 [2d\]: attacking at least
Lynx [1d\]: seems to me like W is just attacking
Uberdude [4d?\]: e13 nice shape
kukulis4 [2d\]: black shall live in gote at best
Uberdude [4d?\]: i wonder if b shoulda d13 not c13
purpura9 [11k\]: g7 escape? 
Moongrass [4k\]: g7 is cuttable
Uberdude [4d?\]: g7 will get cut probably
igaz [?\]: ,
Uberdude [4d?\]: maybe you can use d5 peep
Uberdude [4d?\]: but its not 100% sente peep
kukulis4 [2d\]: c10
Uberdude [4d?\]: w may close on outside
Uberdude [4d?\]: and if you cut then b11
Sisley [4k\]: just wonder, does w has enough ?
gogol1er [1k\]: enough target?
Sisley [4k\]: enough cash
Moongrass [4k\]: c10?
Elscouta [2d\]: points are only counted at the end
Elscouta [2d\]: well to decide victory: )
Elscouta [2d\]: they can be counted before, but it it doesn't do anything before the end :p
Uberdude [4d?\]: probably as b lives
Uberdude [4d?\]: w will get b17
Sisley [4k\]: the fact that u r late doesnt influence your game ?
Uberdude [4d?\]: then he can attack at k17 with his sente
kukulis4 [2d\]: Elscouta: decision making depends on counting many times
purpura9 [11k\]: maybe d14 b15 combo to get out side 
calgacus [3d\]: This b has short hair, so we can see when his ears turn red.
gogol1er [1k\]: that would be the nose first
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;B[fm]C[Sisley [4k\]: is there this much strenght difference ?
Sisley [4k\]: i cant tell from my pov
Uberdude [4d?\]: h7 =)
madison [3d\]: i wonder what was wrong with e6
Uberdude [4d?\]: h3 not sent enough i think
Uberdude [4d?\]: e6 f7 ?
]
;W[hm]C[purpura9 [11k\]: well it would b15 b 16d14 threat to connect then maybe escape outside  he needs a stone in the middle tho 
kukulis4 [2d\]: b17 is the biggest point ?
madison [3d\]: hm
]
;B[bj]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: something like e6 f7 e7 g6 d5 b11 
USGO1 [-\]: B10 goes down with a thunk
Sisley [4k\]: isnt e6 just a probe
GreedKills [2k\]: looks like b is forced to live locally
Sisley [4k\]:  ?
GreedKills [2k\]: if that is even possible
Uberdude [4d?\]: its not a good probe if you tenuki f7
Uberdude [4d?\]: as then w e7 makes good profit and thickness
Sisley [4k\]: looks like so
Lynx [1d\]: W shape looks better
Sisley [4k\]: its light at least :)
Uberdude [4d?\]: w does have some problems though
Uberdude [4d?\]: h4 now?
gogol1er [1k\]: spectators like to cross arms
Uberdude [4d?\]: b9 feels being forced
USGO1 [-\]: it's chilly in here
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;W[hp]C[GreedKills [2k\]: should accept h4 and make life....
kukulis4 [2d\]: h4 look realy calm move
kukulis4 [2d\]: looks
Sisley [4k\]: seems natural
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;B[bl]C[Sisley [4k\]: going outside while connecting with the 2 other groups
gogol1er [1k\]: ignore?
Sisley [4k\]: isnt connection sente ?
GreedKills [2k\]: i think it is
Moongrass [4k\]: k17
soclar [10k\]: d5 cut is getting more and more dangerous ^^
gogol1er [1k\]: j3 first
Sisley [4k\]: b played b8 so i guess its important to him
iPwnNoobs [1k\]: d5 no cut
gogol1er [1k\]: d5 e6
]
;W[cl]
;B[bk]
;W[cc]C[soclar [10k\]: ah ok thanks 
Sisley [4k\]: i often see c17, what are the pros & cons of this ?
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;B[ip]C[USGO1 [-\]: Smack! goes j4
GreedKills [2k\]: whoa
kukulis4 [2d\]: black d16 would be a bad move?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: never smack down a stone against a pro
Moongrass [4k\]: j3! lol
Warfreak2 [4d\]: it's too embarrassing when they kill it with silent stones
Komulink38 [5k\]: xD
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;W[iq]C[Moongrass [4k\]: hehe
USGO1 [-\]: j3 is silent...
Sisley [4k\]: silent?
Moongrass [4k\]: silently placed
iPwnNoobs [1k\]: mmm black making himself a weak group
gogol1er [1k\]: another weak stone for b to protect
GreedKills [2k\]: silence = pity
kukulis4 [2d\]: thank you USGO1 for these details :)
Sisley [4k\]: k4 ?
GreedKills [2k\]: yes i like these details
Warfreak2 [4d\]: the silently placed stones are the deadliest ones
Sisley [4k\]: j4 soon a running stone
gogol1er [1k\]: b happy?
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;B[ho]C[GreedKills [2k\]: b desperate...
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;W[ir]
;B[hr]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: if the opponent slams a stone, you play one silently to show you aren't intimidated and you aren't going to let their aggression make you aggressive too
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;W[hs]
;B[gr]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: well ... for white I would not know what to do here, dont think black is desperate
Moongrass [4k\]: cross cut
gogol1er [1k\]: g6
Sisley [4k\]: how is cross cut doing ?
Moongrass [4k\]: it prevents a group from forming
kukulis4 [2d\]: now d5 weaknes is more obvious
Sisley [4k\]: im not sure it prevent much
]
;W[gn]
;B[fn]C[Moongrass [4k\]: FINE
purpura9 [11k\]: wouldent it have been better to chace black into death ?
gogol1er [1k\]: why took so long for obvious move :-)
GreedKills [2k\]: f5 connects?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: f5 g5 
GreedKills [2k\]: oh i c shortage of libs allows d5 later
Warfreak2 [4d\]: or i guess f5 d5 is simpler
purpura9 [11k\]: j5 k4 h6 chace to death if cut kill?
Sisley [4k\]: g5 j5 ?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: g5 d5 
madison [3d\]: then e6?
kukulis4 [2d\]: white must protect the d5 now, then J5/G5 are miai
Warfreak2 [4d\]: then e5...
gogol1er [1k\]: a wall does not make territory, it dies
Moongrass [4k\]: f5 seems good enough to me
Warfreak2 [4d\]: f5 d5 
Moongrass [4k\]: ?
Sisley [4k\]: those stones look a lot like forcing moves to me
kukulis4 [2d\]: black may play K4 after white d5
Lynx [1d\]: W suddenly looks in danger
ennuistic [2d\]: f5 is bad.
Lynx [1d\]: As Admiral Ackbar might say:  "It's a trap!"
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;W[do]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: w shape not perfect, but giving up two stones at j3 isn't terrible
]
;B[jp]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: Ha!
kukulis4 [2d\]: I guessed that :)
]
;W[kr]C[gogol1er [1k\]: trapped, but alive
Warfreak2 [4d\]: ok, no surrender
Warfreak2 [4d\]: w uses the fact that if b cuts at g5, f5 lives
ennuistic [2d\]: can't cut directly b/c white can live on the inside.
Warfreak2 [4d\]: simple, why did i miss it
]
;B[kq]
;W[jq]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: black L3 looks tacticaly wrong
gnarf [1k\]: l2 and not l3 to give less sente to b?
ennuistic [2d\]: now time to cut.
vitamancy [9k\]: Is there a page to view the results of this tournament so far?
threeoone [3k\]: i think W can simply play d10 at the left side and is fine
ennuistic [2d\]: maybe m2 first.
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;B[hl]C[ennuistic [2d\]: can get l4 in sente an some aji
Moongrass [4k\]: d10 d9.. how does that do anything?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: d10 e11
Syu [2k\]: d10 seems hurt f11 stone and fix b shape
]
;W[io]C[RobertT [-\]: is the video stream of these players?
Uberdude [4d?\]: g8 !!!!!!!!!
ennuistic [2d\]: maybe black missed his chance.
Uberdude [4d?\]: ah
Uberdude [4d?\]: with w f9
Uberdude [4d?\]: g8 shape has problem
Uberdude [4d?\]: silly b8 ;-0
Warfreak2 [4d\]: not a big problem, imp
Warfreak2 [4d\]: imo
Uberdude [4d?\]: but usually to allow g8 broken shape
Warfreak2 [4d\]: g8 still a strong move
Uberdude [4d?\]: so sad
]
;B[kp]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: but this lessens the sadness
]
;W[lq]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: nah, w loses libs to cut, and besides, g7 is b's privilege
Warfreak2 [4d\]: so if you want to cut at e7 i atari e6 first and then take a move like k6 and i am connected, you are sealed with one eye
kukulis4 [2d\]: multiple tasks to solve
Warfreak2 [4d\]: k7 better than k6
kukulis4 [2d\]: L4 group looks heavy
]
;B[gl]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: if black pulls it out, it doesnt bring any profit
Warfreak2 [4d\]: b won't pull it out
kukulis4 [2d\]: and for white it is a nice cache to kill it
gogol1er [1k\]: m6?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: current battleground is now e16 group
Warfreak2 [4d\]: if b gets c18 it has no base
]
;W[il]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: yeah not now
Uberdude [4d?\]: just its aji 
USGO1 [-\]: and matthew stands up for a walk
Moongrass [4k\]: j8 is mostly a defensive move, no?
kukulis4 [2d\]: shouldn't black play G7 now?
]
;B[hk]
;W[gc]
;B[gb]
;W[dd]
;B[ib]
;W[db]
;B[eb]
;W[ea]
;B[fb]C[Moongrass [4k\]: nice sequence for w
quidprogo [8k\]: now w attacks from other side?
quidprogo [8k\]: or defends?
]
;W[ln]C[quidprogo [8k\]: neither
]
;B[cb]C[gobugobu [6d\]: I just went through the game. This was an enormously successful invasion and my first impression was that W must be badly trailing. However, Black doesn't have that much territory. . Still the area at the lower side is explosive
]
;W[bb]
;B[da]
;W[rc]C[gobugobu [6d\]: So I was thinking where W should play at the bottom. M6 seems e good move
]
;B[bc]
;W[cd]
;B[ba]C[quidprogo [8k\]: wow black is spending a lot on that corner
Syu [2k\]: why b didnt attack r10?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: lol w settles top corner and then takes two tenukis and it's unsettled again
gobugobu [6d\]: W settled the top left nicely. It was a toss-up between defending at b18 and letting B have and extension at m17, which means W has to play s17, which might be gote and W can then turn his attention to the bottom (this is before w played m6 )
Moongrass [4k\]: h9 sort of ruins any potential the center might have had
kukulis4 [2d\]: this corner is big, because it gives points for you and takes them from opponent at the same time
Syu [2k\]: ok..
kukulis4 [2d\]: and white must build eyes now
Uberdude [4d?\]: yah m6 seems a bit ealry to me
]
;W[fk]C[gobugobu [6d\]: It is painful that W had to connect at c16 because he can't afford a ko. B has overwhelmingly more ko threats
gobugobu [6d\]: f9 is a good move
]
;B[ek]
;W[hi]C[Syu [2k\]: so, h11 now
USGO1 [-\]: :)
Syu [2k\]: h10 for b?
gobugobu [6d\]: This also means W j6 becomes sente for W, so k4 is really dead.
Hightime [3d\]: i like w
gobugobu [6d\]: I think B will start tending to the right now
Moongrass [4k\]: like s9?
kukulis4 [2d\]: well S17 was a realy huge move
Warfreak2 [4d\]: s17 larger than usual since r12 group is smaller
Syu [2k\]: more to p11/p10?
gobugobu [6d\]: hmmm, it is difficult to attack the right while not getting weaker in the top right
kukulis4 [2d\]: R12 stones are in danger so R10 is safer
Moongrass [4k\]: agreed
gobugobu [6d\]: p11 doesn't have an territorial potential
gobugobu [6d\]: I was thinking B q15 
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;B[ie]C[gobugobu [6d\]: j15 is a good move because W could play h16 j16 j15 k16 k15 l16 in sente and make territory while strengthening his group
]
;W[hf]C[gobugobu [6d\]: j15 also weakens W's group
gobugobu [6d\]: One more push pls
Moongrass [4k\]: how about r11?
USGO1 [-\]: Curtis seems to be eyes to the right side
gobugobu [6d\]: although j14 h13 h15 g15 helps W a little - is there something more severe?
USGO1 [-\]: perhaps counting
gobugobu [6d\]: yes, the right will be the next focus
gobugobu [6d\]: but after j15, W can play k17 which would be painful
]
;B[mc]C[Moongrass [4k\]: gnarly
USGO1 [-\]: and curtis slams that one down, sighs, and goes for a walk
gobugobu [6d\]: therefore B n17 
seckinoldo [6k\]: who won hte first game?
USGO1 [-\]: matthew is nonplussed
USGO1 [-\]: in fact, he might be a robot.
gobugobu [6d\]: however, this weakens r14 slightly. It is a bit of a make-do approach.
Hightime [3d\]: or a poker player
]
;W[md]C[gobugobu [6d\]: W wil probably extend to the center
Warfreak2 [4d\]: slam and sigh is a terrible combination
USGO1 [-\]: nevermind that robot comment -- he sits up and plays n16 with some verve
gobugobu [6d\]: W wants to play p11 
Warfreak2 [4d\]: like, "i am fed up with how this game is going"
gobugobu [6d\]: after that he can also play p6 and expand his potential
USGO1 [-\]: Andy Liu comes by for a look
gobugobu [6d\]: B has little choice but to play m17, and then?
MrShintou [1k\]: hard game for w
MrShintou [1k\]: no points anywhere other than topright
gobugobu [6d\]: So let's do some accounting
USGO1 [-\]: let's!
Legendre [-\]: maybe white has more points right now?
MrShintou [1k\]: b has 35
]
;B[mb]C[Hightime [3d\]: w isn't behind
MrShintou [1k\]: w has like 15
gobugobu [6d\]: B has in the LL: about 14 pts...
quidprogo [8k\]: solid move b
Moongrass [4k\]: can white build something with j9?
gobugobu [6d\]: n18 is a bad move, I am afraid
quidprogo [8k\]: what's the sequence?
MrShintou [1k\]: gobugo afraid for r14 stones?
Hightime [3d\]: clearly aims for yose
]
;W[nb]
;B[ld]
;W[le]C[go2k [2k\]: w has f8 to cut?
]
;B[na]C[gobugobu [6d\]: In the top left B has: about 12 + at the top the potential for 10 or so
]
;W[me]C[threeoone [3k\]: if w manages to make more than 10 extra points in the center he,s leading
]
;B[ob]C[gobugobu [6d\]: this is an interesting move - I would never have thought of thisth
MrShintou [1k\]: i agree, black should have moved into the center
Hightime [3d\]: oh god
Moongrass [4k\]: q12
Hightime [3d\]: b really likes points
gobugobu [6d\]: yes, he does
quidprogo [8k\]: really dicey
gobugobu [6d\]: this may lead to some disagreements
]
;W[oc]C[gobugobu [6d\]: like, W plays at l16 
Egad [-\]: the player with the most points usually wins
Hightime [3d\]: oh w didn't
MrShintou [1k\]: b moves l16 and trys to avoid w making 20pts
MrShintou [1k\]: then again... is this AGA rules?
kukulis4 [2d\]: black R14 feels in danger
gobugobu [6d\]: ok, smartypants (didn't I accuse you of the same yesterday?)
MrShintou [1k\]: ING nm
Egad [-\]: :(
Moongrass [4k\]: w too much gote imo :(
Hightime [3d\]: he is sente
Hightime [3d\]: if b l16
gobugobu [6d\]: B will have to answer for his crimes
Hightime [3d\]: if w l16 b l18 is acceptable...
kukulis4 [2d\]: black cannot leave top
Moongrass [4k\]: point taken\]
gobugobu [6d\]: what is acceptable about it?
kukulis4 [2d\]: so white get first move to attack right
joanmun [2d\]: r12 starting to smell bad
kukulis4 [2d\]: lol
MrShintou [1k\]: those stones will alwyas be fine b/c of how strong b is on bottom right
MrShintou [1k\]: but they will hurt the middle
vitamancy [9k\]: what is the Japanese term for "bad smell"?  It will make the concept sound much more important.
gobugobu [6d\]: yes, so that's why I said that n17 is a make-do move to prevent W k17. His plan was to take sente, but....
Moongrass [4k\]: kusai
gobugobu [6d\]: hmmm, in Japanese? maybe 'kusai'　(臭い)
]
;B[pl]C[gobugobu [6d\]: but 'rotting' 腐っている' (kusatte-iru) is better 
]
;W[oj]C[vitamancy [9k\]: I like it.  "r12 now has kusai" sounds very good.
USGO1 [-\]: matthew takes about two seconds for P10
Hightime [3d\]: nw b feels wrong
gobugobu [6d\]: q8 was to be a crime of opportunity, but p10 shows that W is keeping tyhe greater perspective.
]
;B[qd]C[gobugobu [6d\]: r16 is again going for points
kukulis4 [2d\]: now white S11 ?
gobugobu [6d\]: B is hoping to squeeze in q18 for free
Hightime [3d\]: i've never seen r16 said as good
gobugobu [6d\]: W can now just play q15 - seems to be the vital point
Caissa [5k\]: s15 now
]
;W[lc]C[gobugobu [6d\]: or play at q13 
]
;B[lb]
;W[kd]
;B[kb]C[gobugobu [6d\]: this is soooo painful
gobugobu [6d\]: that's why I said that n18 is terrible
gobugobu [6d\]: W can still play k17 
quidprogo [8k\]: gotcha
gobugobu [6d\]: yikes
Caissa [5k\]: s15 !
gobugobu [6d\]: no
gobugobu [6d\]: q13 r13 s11 
Moongrass [4k\]: s11
USGO1 [-\]: a crowd of 6 or so is watching
gobugobu [6d\]: but if w q13, B may  play s11 
]
;W[pg]
;B[pb]
;W[pc]C[gobugobu [6d\]: (these kids are not that weak....)
gobugobu [6d\]: They play according to my life plan for them
gobugobu [6d\]: :-)
kukulis4 [2d\]: black cannot afford to loose R14
gobugobu [6d\]: B is in trouble
Linsanity1 [1k\]: b s16 group looks so dead?
gobugobu [6d\]: he must play s11 or s10 
]
;B[ph]C[gobugobu [6d\]: I think s10 would work too
gobugobu [6d\]: q13 q12 is kikashi for W
gobugobu [6d\]: q14 looks ok now
kukulis4 [2d\]: let pro demonstrate, how to attack :)
ladyjaja: s13 now?
gobugobu [6d\]: s13 is bad
kukulis4 [2d\]: s11 feels correct
gobugobu [6d\]: if p12 p13 which looks bad
Moongrass [4k\]: s13 will be interesting soon though
gobugobu [6d\]: I think q14 is the correct move, but maybe W will just play q7 
USGO1 [-\]: w has only used 45 minutes
Moongrass [4k\]: why not p13?
gobugobu [6d\]: locally W has no good move after this push
]
;W[ri]
;B[og]C[gobugobu [6d\]: At first I didn't think of this push. but it looks pretty good
]
;W[pf]C[gobugobu [6d\]: r13 
gobugobu [6d\]: and then what?
]
;B[qg]
;W[of]C[gobugobu [6d\]: r13 p14 p11 o10 o11 n10 ?
gobugobu [6d\]: shape-wise, p11 is correct
Moongrass [4k\]: cannot find 2nd eye D:
gobugobu [6d\]: hmmm, maybe q12 was too much
gobugobu [6d\]: maybe s10 would have been better
GreedKills [2k\]: <------------
quidprogo [8k\]: uwhwhaha
kukulis4 [2d\]: indeed
Legendre [-\]: nah white will take profit before killing :)
]
;B[nh]
;W[oi]C[Moongrass [4k\]: i dunno, killing seems profitable to me
]
;B[oh]C[gobugobu [6d\]: o12 looks unshapely
kukulis4 [2d\]: heavy
gobugobu [6d\]: keep in mind that W can play k17 - how does B answer that?
MrGString [9k\]: n10?
Moongrass [4k\]: m11
gobugobu [6d\]: if k17 h16 - k18 is too good - it destroys all of B's gains at the top and gives W hundreds of eyes
gobugobu [6d\]: n11 n12 m11 
]
;W[mj]
;B[nf]
;W[ne]C[gobugobu [6d\]: hmmm W n10 shows a glimmer of a repressed character?
]
;B[lh]
;W[mg]C[gobugobu [6d\]: yes, this was a little easy on B perhaps...
]
;B[ni]
;W[nj]C[gobugobu [6d\]: however, I take that back - maybe I am ovely aggressive
gobugobu [6d\]: overly
]
;B[li]C[quidprogo [8k\]: overtly
MrGString [9k\]: k10 
quidprogo [8k\]: covertly
Nickcavig [10k\]: It looks to me that w is profiting more than b here
Warfreak2 [4d\]: b only half of one eye
gogol1er [1k\]: l9
Moongrass [4k\]: l10
]
;W[ji]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: q7 looks important, but when to do that move ?
MrGString [9k\]: b k13?
vitamancy [9k\]: q7 and not r8?
]
;B[kj]C[gogol1er [1k\]: now that i see k11, i feel it's strength
gobugobu [6d\]: overtly = openly
USGO1 [-\]: L10, with a bang!
Moongrass [4k\]: j9
kukulis4 [2d\]: lol, black is angry :P
Warfreak2 [4d\]: k9 
vitamancy [9k\]: I think KGS needs a "bang" feature where you tell your opponent you are slamming down the stone.
gobugobu [6d\]: but why is he angry? is it his mother?
]
;W[ik]C[USGO1 [-\]: or merely decisive
Warfreak2 [4d\]: dern
gogol1er [1k\]: w so calm
quidprogo [8k\]: that handles it nicely
]
;B[kl]C[gogol1er [1k\]: dang too
gobugobu [6d\]: the next feature would be an anti-bang one, where you can cancel that sound
Moongrass [4k\]: m9
gobugobu [6d\]: so what is the sound of one stone slamming?
gogol1er [1k\]: s16 is going to die with l3 :-)
kukulis4 [2d\]: could be visualy implemented with a red wave, circling from the stone :)
]
;W[lk]
;B[kk]C[Moongrass [4k\]: k7
gobugobu [6d\]: yeah, well, I think this all goes back to W n10  where he shows he is the son of a pastor
quidprogo [8k\]: depends on if anywhere is there to listen
ladyjaja: w m9 said that I want all 
Legendre [-\]: maybe white take all the profit and still kills
vitamancy [9k\]: black is running out of places to run.
gobugobu [6d\]: no no, m9 is to make/prevent shape
gobugobu [6d\]: W now needs to play m7 or so
gobugobu [6d\]: this doesn't look so good
gobugobu [6d\]: So he needs to play k7 
gogol1er [1k\]: why not l13?
kukulis4 [2d\]: bevare black r8
gobugobu [6d\]: I think that m9 is contradictory with k7 
kukulis4 [2d\]: beware
Moongrass [4k\]: w has r7 so i think he'll be ok
]
;W[mm]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: I think white needs something like N7
kukulis4 [2d\]: lol
Moongrass [4k\]: nice
gobugobu [6d\]: hmmm, yes m9 and n7 are a set
MrGString [9k\]: giving up killing
Moongrass [4k\]: not giving up
gobugobu [6d\]: but if B connects l4 and lives, W loses
MrGString [9k\]: b K6
gobugobu [6d\]: if l6, W j6 b k7 j7 k12 ?
MrGString [9k\]: no I mean b L6
]
;B[ml]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: white has a J6 resource
gobugobu [6d\]: n8 looks like an overplay
MrGString [9k\]: w has to r8
USGO1 [-\]: w mutters something and rubs his neck
Moongrass [4k\]: p7?
gobugobu [6d\]: ok, to be frank, B n8 is a tesuji of sorts
MrGString [9k\]: Or w M8!
vitamancy [9k\]: what's wrong with m8?
quidprogo [8k\]: pists some extra presure on lower right?
Moongrass [4k\]: l8 peep
quidprogo [8k\]: puts
gobugobu [6d\]: the idea is to induce cutting points, e.g. m8 l7 l6 m7 - voila, cutting points
]
;W[ll]
;B[kn]C[Moongrass [4k\]: or that...
GreedKills [2k\]: !
MrGString [9k\]: w L5 to be practical
vitamancy [9k\]: I like it when the players answer my questions.  :)
gobugobu [6d\]: but of course w l6 would be too good. But basically B can now play l7 (or, how evil?) play k7 for free
Moongrass [4k\]: k7 and kill it all?
USGO1 [-\]: w is chewing on his sleeve
Moongrass [4k\]: nevermind
USGO1 [-\]: seems to be counting ko threats, perhaps
kukulis4 [2d\]: white j6?
USGO1 [-\]: or just counting
]
;W[in]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: I am a pro :D
gobugobu [6d\]: Yes, I think n10 is the cause of this all. If B lives it's over
]
;B[js]C[gobugobu [6d\]: k1 is a tricky-dicky move
Moongrass [4k\]: m4
gobugobu [6d\]: k2 is amost guaranteed
]
;W[ko]C[gobugobu [6d\]: but l1 is possible too
MrGString [9k\]: good move!
kukulis4 [2d\]: wow
gobugobu [6d\]: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!\]
gobugobu [6d\]: kiai!
MrGString [9k\]: kill
gobugobu [6d\]: fighting spirit)
Hightime [3d\]: lol
Moongrass [4k\]: way nicer than m4
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i can't imagine what k1 is foe
Warfreak2 [4d\]: for
MrGString [9k\]: b overplayed :(
quidprogo [8k\]: desperation?
Moongrass [4k\]: b got owned
]
;B[jh]C[gobugobu [6d\]: I think B played k1 as a forcing move (just another one of those) 
USGO1 [-\]: ing clocks around the room are chirping their 5/10 minute warnings
kukulis4 [2d\]: well, if black escapes at top, then K2 is a killer
quidprogo [8k\]: i see
USGO1 [-\]: curtis is nearing his 10 minutes of basic time, and matthew has 33 minutes left on the clock.
gobugobu [6d\]: what kind of time limits are there?
LDS: I don't think b overplayed. B can go k2
USGO1 [-\]: 90 minutes basic, 5x1:00 byo-yomi
gobugobu [6d\]: right
gobugobu [6d\]: and 30 sec/move byoyomi?
USGO1 [-\]: 1:00
USGO1 [-\]: 60 sec/move
gobugobu [6d\]: ic
quidprogo [8k\]: but the big group in even more trouble
gobugobu [6d\]: and on top of that you have 5 times 1 min extra
Moongrass [4k\]: j14
]
;W[ii]C[gobugobu [6d\]: l5 means that W HAS to come back to k5 very soon
gobugobu [6d\]: unless he kills the top right first
quidprogo [8k\]: k14?
MrGString [9k\]: b k14 and live
GreedKills [2k\]: l14?
Moongrass [4k\]: k14 l12
kukulis4 [2d\]: thinking about the same
Moongrass [4k\]: l13 i mean\]
quidprogo [8k\]: i see
gobugobu [6d\]: hmm, shall we sell some bearskin?
USGO1 [-\]: curtis hits his 10 minute time
MrGString [9k\]: if b k14, w simply m13
Moongrass [4k\]: ll13
gobugobu [6d\]: m13 m14 k14 doesn't work so well
quidprogo [8k\]: maybe m13 first
gobugobu [6d\]: also as aforementioned, W k17 is painful
quidprogo [8k\]: threaten n13
quidprogo [8k\]: then connect... somehow
vitamancy [9k\]: w k17 threatens to disconnect j15 from the top group?
GreedKills [2k\]: l14
gobugobu [6d\]: yeah, yeah, quid, they call that calculating
Moongrass [4k\]: b is simply dead afais
gobugobu [6d\]: no no
quidprogo [8k\]: probably why this move is taking so long
gobugobu [6d\]: no quite, not yet, but almost
USGO1 [-\]: the crowd behind andy liu's game is spilling over 
kjhj: w is strong
gobugobu [6d\]: actually I didn't see the cons of the exchange of m13 m14 and I still don't see it. However now, it may be too late
]
;B[jm]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: what if black M13 now?
gobugobu [6d\]: this is a hopeless involuntary movement
]
;W[lp]
;B[lm]C[Linsanity1 [1k\]: so over for b
]
;W[km]C[Hightime [3d\]: k2 is gone
kjhj: yeah, game is over
Warfreak2 [4d\]: m13 k14 is ok, only two half eyes
MrGString [9k\]: b m13
gobugobu [6d\]: well B is on his last legs and they are sprained and sore from running already
MrGString [9k\]: haha
gobugobu [6d\]: I blame b n17 and especially n18 
Moongrass [4k\]: m13 k14 n14 t14
Warfreak2 [4d\]: take m14 atari first, that's free
gobugobu [6d\]: zwart is een puntenneuker
Moongrass [4k\]: scrap that, i suck
Warfreak2 [4d\]: t14 not the best, s12 removes the eye here
Moongrass [4k\]: yeha
MrGString [9k\]: m13, if w k14, then b n14
]
;B[lg]C[gobugobu [6d\]: yes, that's why s11 is a good move
quidprogo [8k\]: there it is
gobugobu [6d\]: if this is the best B can come up with....
Warfreak2 [4d\]: perhaps l14 stronger shape
kukulis4 [2d\]: white must play L14 I think
quidprogo [8k\]: might salvage something
Warfreak2 [4d\]: anyway, it's just half an eye, so b has one eye in total
gobugobu [6d\]: so again the problem of W k17 
quidprogo [8k\]: of course he wants it all
Warfreak2 [4d\]: nope, k14 a stronger shape it seems
gobugobu [6d\]: e.g. W can elect to play k14 , which is kind of faint-of-heart, but who cares about his heart anyway
]
;W[bg]C[Moongrass [4k\]: zomg
Hightime [3d\]: lol
gobugobu [6d\]: other hearts are being broken here?
quidprogo [8k\]: insult to injury
]
;B[bh]
;W[bf]C[quidprogo [8k\]: b sente...
quidprogo [8k\]: or w gote i mean
gobugobu [6d\]: many B bodies are strewn around the board
kukulis4 [2d\]: I think black must put a stone to live at left
quidprogo [8k\]: yeah nvm
quidprogo [8k\]: b still has to choose
]
;B[dh]C[Moongrass [4k\]: still think w should have just finished off the right side instead
gobugobu [6d\]: even though B n18 and k1 were the losing moves, W l5 was the winning move. 
]
;W[dg]
;B[bm]
;W[bn]C[MrGString [9k\]: C10 looks good
quidprogo [8k\]: if b is going to connect it's now
]
;B[am]
;W[jf]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: yay, i was right
]
;B[lm]C[MrGString [9k\]: ug
MrGString [9k\]: n14 n14
gobugobu [6d\]: better be right than be dead
Warfreak2 [4d\]: enjoy your single eye
Moongrass [4k\]: o7?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: why do you prefer making one eye at n13 to making one eye at s14
kukulis4 [2d\]: k1 looks like wasted move at this point
MrGString [9k\]: w m10?
]
;W[cj]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: what's m10 do
quidprogo [8k\]: if w s12 forcing o14 can he live onthe right?
kukulis4 [2d\]: cant white just play O7 ?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: what
kukulis4 [2d\]: nvm
gobugobu [6d\]: oops
USGO1 [-\]: w is counting things on his hands
USGO1 [-\]: curtis has entered byo-yomi
USGO1 [-\]: his clock is very faint
gobugobu [6d\]: c11 and later a12 a11 a13 a9 ---- ahhhhh, B is reduced to a mere 2 points
igaz [?\]: ,
]
;B[mn]
;W[km]C[gobugobu [6d\]: yes, so B does  the only thing he can ---- UP the stakes
Hightime [3d\]: if b wins the ko and die on left side, it is complicated
Moongrass [4k\]: still allowing this ko to be potentially meaningful is a bit nuts imo
Hightime [3d\]: b position getting better
USGO1 [-\]: 4 periods
gobugobu [6d\]: q10 does this work?
gobugobu [6d\]: not really
gobugobu [6d\]: what is big enough?
gobugobu [6d\]: q15 ?
Moongrass [4k\]: s12?
]
;B[pe]
;W[lm]C[Hightime [3d\]: ahah
]
;B[oe]
;W[ci]C[quidprogo [8k\]: huh
Hightime [3d\]: over
gobugobu [6d\]: correctly called but game is over
]
;B[je]C[gobugobu [6d\]: yes, yes, yes, but b10 is too big
]
;W[ma]C[USGO1 [-\]: black resigns
kukulis4 [2d\]: well, black has ambitions to kill q17
gobugobu [6d\]: W also has.... as aforementioned for the third time, k17 
USGO1 [-\]: Thanks for watching!
Moongrass [4k\]: thanks for showing
Linsanity1 [1k\]: thanks
Nickcavig [10k\]: thanks you
gobugobu [6d\]: which makes p17 alive
gobugobu [6d\]: and kicking
USGO1 [-\]: they point out L5 as quite important
gobugobu [6d\]: yes yes
gobugobu [6d\]: I said that - it was the WINNNG move
USGO1 [-\]: and the top side as potentially a very bad ko for b
gobugobu [6d\]: even though B played TWO losing moves
gobugobu [6d\]: yes, also discussed
Moongrass [4k\]: the top side is were b screwed up
gobugobu [6d\]: yup
gobugobu [6d\]: n18 was the losing move
USGO1 [-\]: Thanks all & goodnight!
gobugobu [6d\]: ok, thank you
gobugobu [6d\]: good morning from Tokyo, by the way
])
