(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[5400]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
GN[2012 ing Masters Round 1, Board 2]PW[Zhou, Yixian]PB[Liu,Zhi Yuan (Andy) 1P]WR[6d]DT[2012-08-05]EV[Ing Masters]RO[1]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Dave Weimer]C[baian [1d\]: is this for ing game ?
USGO2 [-\]: yes, will start in about 5 minutes
DoDoBird [3d\]: Missbear is coming~~
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[dp]
;W[pd]C[CBlue [?\]: is this andy's first game as a pro? ;)
]
;B[cd]
;W[qq]C[USGO2 [-\]: maybe second
]
;B[ec]
;W[cj]
;B[qj]
;W[cm]C[scape [1d\]: who are really playing?
scape [1d\]: Andy Liu?
USGO2 [-\]: yes
]
;B[fq]C[scape [1d\]: what's his level as pro?
scape [1d\]: 1P or higher?
scape [1d\]: and who's his opponent?
elementc [?\]: I wonder how he'll hold up after having just come from a week long tournament
elementc [?\]: probably not too bad
scape [1d\]: do not see the names of players as in other games
Banaan [1k\]: yixian zhou i think
elementc [?\]: after all the EGC is two weeks
scape [1d\]: oh?
CBlue [?\]: his rank is given as "1p"
]
;W[nc]C[DoDoBird [3d\]: which country? US 1P?
scape [1d\]: I heard Zhou almost entered this 1st pro tournament
CBlue [?\]: oh the burden~
scape [1d\]: only second to Kim in Seattle
scape [1d\]: I assume Andy is white?
DoDoBird [3d\]: Could be, good for Missbear~
scape [1d\]: hehe
CBlue [?\]: (>' ')> missbear
scape [1d\]: anyone from mitbbs?
USGO2 [-\]: Andy is b
scape [1d\]: wow
DoDoBird [3d\]: +1
scape [1d\]: fool?
gokoan [-\]: how people can be confused about who is white and who is black...
scape [1d\]: there used to be a 渡渡狼
DoDoBird [3d\]: :P
Banaan [1k\]: b+3.5
DoDoBird [3d\]: nope
DoDoBird [3d\]: not me
scape [1d\]: now I see a 渡渡鸟
]
;B[ci]C[CBlue [?\]: on mobile devices you sometimes cant see who's playing
scape [1d\]: I am on my laptop
]
;W[di]
;B[ch]
;W[dj]C[scape [1d\]: and I see board 1 Tianyu W against Ziyang B
]
;B[dh]C[DoDoBird [3d\]: According to the strength, Andy should take White for sure~
scape [1d\]: oh, now I see who are playing and B/W, from Options/Rule
CBlue [?\]: what i like about andy's Go is that he seems to me to always be playing very seriously
DoDoBird [3d\]: AGA change the old rule
]
;W[dc]
;B[dd]
;W[eh]
;B[eg]
;W[fg]
;B[fh]
;W[ei]
;B[ef]
;W[gg]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: what
Warfreak2 [4d\]: andy was playing 3 second blitz for a lot of the pro exam
CBlue [?\]: does this b position count as overconcentrated, or is it fine?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: the most important tournament ever in america
]
;B[co]C[DoDoBird [3d\]: I don't think white is on the right track~
CBlue [?\]: well if he didnt require more thinking time^^
DoDoBird [3d\]: D17,E12
]
;W[cq]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: he's a mensch, he can crush his opponents without thinking, but that isn't a way to seem like you are playing seriously, even if you are in fact
]
;B[dq]
;W[eb]
;B[fc]C[mw0x2a [2k?\]: warfreak2, that's not true
mw0x2a [2k?\]: andy was using a fair bit of time for the pro exam
dragonslay [1k\]: He just wants to show he is the best
]
;W[fb]
;B[gc]
;W[cc]
;B[bd]C[Ranchan [-\]: he said he is as strong as japan 1p but weaker than korean and china 1p
mw0x2a [2k?\]: that's likely
CBlue [?\]: now b looks pretty overconcentrated?
DoDoBird [3d\]: Is this AGA 1P?
dragonslay [1k\]: yep
mw0x2a [2k?\]: maybe he is even stronger than a japanese 1p
Ranchan [-\]: yes
DoDoBird [3d\]: or somewhere else?
Syu [2k\]: where is that interview ranchan?
Ranchan [-\]: it was a kgs when I was talking with him
Ranchan [-\]: at
mw0x2a [2k?\]: but only because china and korea accept many fewer pros than japan does
dragonslay [1k\]: I have seen andy beat chinese 3rd pro here and there
Syu [2k\]: ic
]
;W[gb]
;B[hc]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: w quite nice wityh the corner timing with e12 here
]
;W[bc]C[CBlue [?\]: a match andy vs milan wouldnt hurt. havent seen milan for a while actually, but might have been bad timing on my part
dragonslay [1k\]: ko for corner
]
;B[pn]
;W[nq]C[dragonslay [1k\]: I wanna see that match ^_^ Andy verses MilanMilan
]
;B[qp]C[humblelife [2k\]: they won't use 90 min though
]
;W[pp]
;B[qo]
;W[rq]
;B[rd]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: lol
dragonslay [1k\]: I wanna go to the go camp in china so bad..
]
;W[qc]
;B[qg]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: it's good
Newax [1d\]: p10 ?
DoDoBird [3d\]: why China? not Korea or Japan
humblelife [2k\]: i prefer q3 locally
humblelife [2k\]: q9
SpiderWeb [2d\]: The difference between low d pros and top As is very small
Warfreak2 [4d\]: because the particular go camp he is referring to is in china...
Ranchan [-\]: white will take the last fuseki point?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: the one milanmilan is a teacher at
DoDoBird [3d\]: OIC
humblelife [2k\]: was white always 6d? i thought he was one of thee top 5 american players 
elementc [?\]: China is overtaking the baduk world
elementc [?\]: it's already becoming a weiqi world
mw0x2a [2k?\]: b4 maybe?
CBlue [?\]: b5 yose, how about k3?
Ranchan [-\]: b4 too small
dragonslay [1k\]: MilanMilan teaches there and I have followed his go for years.
Ranchan [-\]: I think low at k3 
Newax [1d\]: k4 also big
Ranchan [-\]: white is playing territorial
DoDoBird [3d\]: I see
DoDoBird [3d\]: Do you know his Chinese name?
mw0x2a [2k?\]: liu yuambo
Ranchan [-\]: I would want to play g11 but no time for that
dragonslay [1k\]: liu yuambo
CBlue [?\]: hm or q12?
CBlue [?\]: ah probably not
mw0x2a [2k?\]: odd you made the same typo as me, dragonslay
dragonslay [1k\]: lol
dragonslay [1k\]: Liu Yuanbo
DoDoBird [3d\]: yuambo....lol
DoDoBird [3d\]: not Chinese
dragonslay [1k\]: idk then lol
miao [6d\]: yuanbo is correct
DoDoBird [3d\]: Yuanbo works
SpiderWeb [2d\]: w looksclose game so far
Warfreak2 [4d\]: milanmilan's go is cool, i want to play like he does
miao [6d\]: yes even so far
Ranchan [-\]: whites group at left is tiny bit heavy
Warfreak2 [4d\]: actually, i want to play silly games where i just capture stones and ignore territory
Warfreak2 [4d\]: but if i could be strong, i'd want to play like him
]
;W[kq]C[dragonslay [1k\]: MilanMilan plays a great game.
]
;B[fi]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: he is pretty much always happy when he plays, too
]
;W[fj]C[Ranchan [-\]: yeah, it comes to this group
]
;B[hh]C[scape [1d\]: high hands: can any of you tell me whether white B4 survives or not?
scape [1d\]: feel it cannot without a ko
mw0x2a [2k?\]: it lives
Warfreak2 [4d\]: no ko, b4 dies
Warfreak2 [4d\]: but you can play b5
CBlue [?\]: b4 is no good, b5 yose
CBlue [?\]: b has to defend at b4 then, yeah
CBlue [?\]: (so it ends in sente for w)
mw0x2a [2k?\]: b4 b5 b2 what's the killing move?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: d2
mw0x2a [2k?\]: d2 a3 
Warfreak2 [4d\]: then c2
mw0x2a [2k?\]: c4 is sente no?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: nope
mw0x2a [2k?\]: hmm
DoDoBird [3d\]: C4 is early suicide
mw0x2a [2k?\]: yeah, guess it wouldn't be. ty
mw0x2a [2k?\]: not now at least
Newax [1d\]: h11
]
;W[hi]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: otherwise, b4 b5 d2 b2 c2 e2 b1 a2 and you can try a5 hane
Ranchan [-\]: just connect
Warfreak2 [4d\]: connect only move
]
;B[gh]
;W[ih]
;B[hg]
;W[ig]
;B[hf]
;W[hq]
;B[gj]
;W[fk]C[Ranchan [-\]: I think white should have protected the cut point
]
;B[bn]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: so b4 b5 d2 b2 c2 b3 c4 a4 e2 f2 and seems to capture, but should depend a lot on nearby stones
Newax [1d\]: h9 big
Uberdude [4d?\]: hmm l3 puzzles me
Uberdude [4d?\]: it seems small
Uberdude [4d?\]: o3 already super strong
miao [6d\]: l3 a bit submissive
miao [6d\]: but ok
Uberdude [4d?\]: how about netting f12 ?
Ranchan [-\]: just a fuseki point, but there was a problem with whites group
Newax [1d\]: was the biggest point no
]
;W[ik]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: i would have h11
miao [6d\]: good technique
Uberdude [4d?\]: but then i have been told i sometimes net stones when i shouldn't
Newax [1d\]: thought h9 was nice
miao [6d\]: but maybe w overplays
miao [6d\]: h9 feels nice
miao [6d\]: but leaves cuts
]
;B[ij]C[miao [6d\]: this wants to force b to push
SpiderWeb [2d\]: W looks ahead to me...maybe
Warfreak2 [4d\]: seems unlikely
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i prefer b
Ranchan [-\]: white is more busy than black
ElAlmaZen [6k?\]: oh, then w gonna win
Ranchan [-\]: so black has free hands
CBlue [?\]: w k10?
Newax [1d\]: j11
]
;W[jj]C[ElAlmaZen [6k?\]: what are the players Kgs names?
]
;B[hj]C[elementc [?\]: black is bigbadwolf
elementc [?\]: the other no idea
]
;W[jk]C[ElAlmaZen [6k?\]: thanks
]
;B[gl]C[CBlue [?\]: black plays under a new name which amounts to gibberish..
]
;W[bm]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: keyboardmash
]
;B[hl]C[CBlue [?\]: hjkfls..
elementc [?\]: yeah it's a supremely stupid name
Warfreak2 [4d\]: hjekshdf
Ranchan [-\]: hsjdjsf
]
;W[bp]
;B[bo]C[elementc [?\]: would have been better if he just took the name keyboardsmash
elementc [?\]: but it's too long
SpiderWeb [2d\]: I think he was Bigbadwolf
Lynx [1d\]: hjekshdf is a great name
]
;W[em]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: he still is bigbadwolf
elementc [?\]: if you like that name you belong on tygem, lynx
Warfreak2 [4d\]: hjekshdf is cool, no hate
CBlue [?\]: definitely prefer b now in this game
]
;B[ji]
;W[ii]
;B[ki]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: monster cut
CBlue [?\]: that's why ^^
ElAlmaZen [6k?\]: white created 2 weak groups
Uberdude [4d?\]: i really really woudl have preferred h11 to l3 now =)
ElAlmaZen [6k?\]: j11  seems bad for white
]
;W[kg]
;B[jm]
;W[lk]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: respect the h17 thickness
Newax [1d\]: perhaps b won here
]
;B[mi]
;W[nk]C[ElAlmaZen [6k?\]: trust 7kyus, b wins here
]
;B[md]
;W[mg]
;B[oi]C[Awats [5k\]: why N16?
Ranchan [-\]: white has 2 groups to worry about
]
;W[hn]C[Ranchan [-\]: black has 0
]
;B[nd]
;W[gi]
;B[gn]C[Newax [1d\]: g11 is pb
CBlue [?\]: what actually happens if w g7 now
Newax [1d\]: cut super gote
Ranchan [-\]: it was sente
]
;W[gm]C[CBlue [?\]: thanks for showing us, w ^^
ElAlmaZen [6k?\]: it was sente-gote
]
;B[hm]
;W[fm]C[ElAlmaZen [6k?\]: m6 
CBlue [?\]: just h5 and drive at k6 maybe?
CBlue [?\]: although it looks a bit floating
ElAlmaZen [6k?\]: black H5? thats wrong direction
ElAlmaZen [6k?\]: i think b needs to trap the whites at k9 
]
;B[in]
;W[ho]C[Ranchan [-\]: h5 k4 
ElAlmaZen [6k?\]: pushing the other way
mw0x2a [2k?\]: welcome back
ElAlmaZen [6k?\]: m6 now looks better
]
;B[mn]C[ElAlmaZen [6k?\]: misclick?
Newax [1d\]: g11 seems bad now
ElAlmaZen [6k?\]: n6 isnt too far?
mw0x2a [2k?\]: white looking good
ElAlmaZen [6k?\]: white will lose one of those groups
Warfreak2 [4d\]: w resigns now?
Ranchan [-\]: its over
ElAlmaZen [6k?\]: would you resign here?
mw0x2a [2k?\]: he'll keep on fighting
CBlue [?\]: maybe just play m6 in a last attempt
Ranchan [-\]: white might even have lost both groups
Warfreak2 [4d\]: not to mention top right corner
nagual [9k\]: m11?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: if b p17 w is not a happy chappy
happyax [9k\]: how does black counter m11
Ranchan [-\]: m11 m12 m10 l12 n12 m13 
ElAlmaZen [6k?\]: you slap the hand of the player and say "dont play in there again"
CBlue [?\]: well at the very least b could atari from m10 and just capture 3 stones
]
;W[lm]
;B[io]
;W[ip]
;B[ln]
;W[mm]
;B[nn]C[Newax [1d\]: game over
mw0x2a [2k?\]: white will win
elementc [?\]: at dying
Newax [1d\]: w needs to play 3 moves
mw0x2a [2k?\]: white has a better position than black
ElAlmaZen [6k?\]: 2k are stronger than 9p
elementc [?\]: if you enjoy playing from hopeless positions
elementc [?\]: then by all means white is doing better
mw0x2a [2k?\]: w is attacking p11 and o6 
elementc [?\]: oh sorry you must be from Tygem
mw0x2a [2k?\]: lol
]
;W[kn]
;B[ko]
;W[km]
;B[jp]
;W[lo]
;B[lp]
;W[mo]C[ElAlmaZen [6k?\]: great attack, like making 2 eyes in gote on the center is a great winning strategy
]
;B[jq]
;W[jo]
;B[jn]
;W[kp]
;B[jo]
;W[lq]
;B[iq]
;W[hp]
;B[hr]
;W[gr]
;B[gq]C[elementc [?\]: I've never seen a man eat so many chicken wings.
ElAlmaZen [6k?\]: ae they playing too fast?
CBlue [?\]: hm ended too quickly :|
Newax [1d\]: w made mistake here
FlameBlade [-\]: I sense a tombstone tesuji.
mw0x2a [2k?\]: is that what that is called?
mw0x2a [2k?\]: cool name, if so
FlameBlade [-\]: if white plays J2, I think that's one of the several names for that tesuji.
elementc [?\]: in the original japanese it refered to the little grave shrines
Newax [1d\]: w reigns
Newax [1d\]: resigns
mw0x2a [2k?\]: w reigns?
]
;W[ir]
;B[hs]C[goisfun11 [7k\]: w??
mw0x2a [2k?\]: ty for the ingo
mw0x2a [2k?\]: ingo
mw0x2a [2k?\]: info*
elementc [?\]: you'll also hear it called the tower tesuji
mw0x2a [2k?\]: damn 'f' kept moving on me
goisfun11 [7k\]: i thought b h8 group dead?
miao [6d\]: g5
Warfreak2 [4d\]: my favourite tesuji
]
;W[gk]
;B[go]
;W[hk]
;B[oc]
;W[ql]
;B[pl]C[ElAlmaZen [6k?\]: kaboom
]
;W[pk]
;B[qk]C[elementc [?\]: I don't see how white is going to try to recover
mw0x2a [2k?\]: p17 was pretty large
mw0x2a [2k?\]: but white can live in the korner
mw0x2a [2k?\]: corner...
ElAlmaZen [6k?\]: black p4 
]
;W[pm]
;B[ol]
;W[ok]
;B[om]C[cavari [7k\]: m11 o11 works now?
]
;W[ph]
;B[qh]C[elementc [?\]: it has for a while
elementc [?\]: but it's not big enough
]
;W[pi]
;B[pj]
;W[oj]
;B[og]C[ElAlmaZen [6k?\]: misclick!
]
;W[ni]
;B[nh]C[elementc [?\]: lol
]
;W[oh]
;B[qi]
;W[oi]
;B[od]C[elementc [?\]: finally
mw0x2a [2k?\]: something wrong
USGO2 [-\]: recorder error but w error
ElAlmaZen [6k?\]: too many beers
elementc [?\]: we must end this beer menace once and for all
elementc [?\]: I know of only one way
ElAlmaZen [6k?\]: amen
mw0x2a [2k?\]: we tried that once. it turned out well
elementc [?\]: drink them all
cavari [7k\]: w about 60?
elementc [?\]: until none remain
mw0x2a [2k?\]: no. w is young
cavari [7k\]: points
mw0x2a [2k?\]: there can be only none!
ElAlmaZen [6k?\]: is black who has the points
elementc [?\]: black solidified about as many points as white gained from the black sacrifice
elementc [?\]: even if not as many black was alreayd a bit ahed
elementc [?\]: *ahead
ElAlmaZen [6k?\]: i gues b more than 10 ahead
cavari [7k\]: q14 
CBlue [?\]: like, +30? :)
elementc [?\]: it's hard to see where white could get enough back
mw0x2a [2k?\]: aga should just give andy all the trophies and go to a bar for the rest of the week
CBlue [?\]: if w decides to play on he should be forced to count
CBlue [?\]: count the final score after the game ended, that is
elementc [?\]: if he plays to scoring he should be given an embossed plaque with the final score on it
mw0x2a [2k?\]: who cares
elementc [?\]: you
mw0x2a [2k?\]: so many people obsessed with resigning
elementc [?\]: this is KGS, not tygem
ElAlmaZen [6k?\]: really?
mw0x2a [2k?\]: white can stil kill r10
elementc [?\]: yeah yeah
elementc [?\]: that much is obvious after as many beers as you've had
ElAlmaZen [6k?\]: he meant r5
mw0x2a [2k?\]: no i didn't
ElAlmaZen [6k?\]: P4
mw0x2a [2k?\]: but seriously, why shouldn't white continue to play if he wants? good experience.
elementc [?\]: he can if he wants
elementc [?\]: he paid to be there after all
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i don't know about you, but being very far behind against a strong player was never a good experience for me
]
;W[qe]
;B[re]
;W[qf]
;B[rf]
;W[pg]
;B[qd]C[Ranchan [-\]: it breaks your heart
]
;W[pc]
;B[pe]
;W[pf]
;B[oe]
;W[ob]
;B[nb]C[ElAlmaZen [6k?\]: only stubborn kyus continue when losing clearly
elementc [?\]: that isn't true
]
;W[qb]C[ElAlmaZen [6k?\]: stubborn dans too
Ranchan [-\]: I sometimes continue because I am lazy to count 
]
;B[pa]C[ElAlmaZen [6k?\]: losing clearly is when you dont need to count
mw0x2a [2k?\]: i lose many games because i fall asleep when i'm ahead. andy has been playing a lot lately, he must be tired. this is white's stategy
elementc [?\]: I guess he really wants the money
elementc [?\]: but winning that way feels so empty
ElAlmaZen [6k?\]: play boring moves to force sleeping?
ElAlmaZen [6k?\]: hipnotic go, the way of the future
]
;W[dr]
;B[br]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: he finds a tic tac toe board inhabited by a ghost
mw0x2a [2k?\]: sounds good
]
;W[mb]
;B[mc]
;W[na]
;B[lb]
;W[nc]
;B[rc]C[dragonslay [1k\]: b win?
jasch [2k?\]: hm couldn't w play s17 before 017 ?
]
;W[lc]C[jasch [2k?\]: and start ko after?
]
;B[kb]C[Syu [2k\]: s17 q18 
]
;W[ld]
;B[nb]C[jasch [2k?\]: yeah but then he can start capturing o18
]
;W[cr]
;B[er]
;W[nc]
;B[le]C[cavari [7k\]: m15 
Syu [2k\]: still ko..
Syu [2k\]: anyway
Warfreak2 [4d\]: not necessarily
]
;W[kd]
;B[ke]
;W[jd]
;B[je]
;W[me]
;B[mf]
;W[of]
;B[ne]
;W[nf]
;B[me]C[mw0x2a [2k?\]: w wants this to work
Warfreak2 [4d\]: it doesn't
mw0x2a [2k?\]: but he wants it to
]
;W[id]C[jasch [2k?\]: he will resign after this 
]
;B[ie]C[ElAlmaZen [6k?\]: it works to resign
cavari [7k\]: k18 looks like only chance
YangXu [4d\]: how old is white?
HotToTrot [1d\]: k18 dont work
cavari [7k\]: j18 h16 dont work too :D
play234 [-\]: is b bbw?
mw0x2a [2k?\]: yes
mw0x2a [2k?\]: newly minted 1p
play234 [-\]: nice
mw0x2a [2k?\]: i am nice. ty
play234 [-\]: can they compete in pro tournaments in asia?
mw0x2a [2k?\]: in korea
DoDoBird [2d\]: white is an uncle age~~
cavari [7k\]: uncle age is what? everything from 20 to 99?
]
;W[bs]C[YangXu [4d\]: is tere a crosstab for the tournament?
]
;B[ar]C[elementc [?\]: you can be an uncle the day you are born
USGO2 [-\]: white resigned
mw0x2a [2k?\]: ty for showing
mw0x2a [2k?\]: gg
])
