(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[7200]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
GN[28th US Open - Round 4, board 2]PW[Andy Liu]PB[Pengwang Song]WR[1p]BR[7d]DT[2012-08-05]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Richard Dolan]C[heqi [1d\]: any info on the b player? visitor to US?
Mortis [?\]: peng wang!
AngkorThom [2k?\]: bbw is pro now ?
Mortis [?\]: since a week ago i think
tenrai [2k\]: Liu is bbw?
tenrai [2k\]: nice
ligo [4k\]: aga pro since last week tygem torny
AngkorThom [2k?\]: nice yes :)
Mortis [?\]: he's got the best style and highest strength of all the competitors
Mortis [?\]: billin is also strong but seems to make silly mistakes sometimes so he surprisingly lost right at the start
Mortis [?\]: otherwise im sure he'd become 2nd
Mortis [?\]: gansheng shi style i dont like that much (#2 pro9
ligo [4k\]: since then has not lost any usgo games
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[pd]C[heqi [1d\]: gooooo andy! :-)
]
;W[dc]
;B[qp]C[USGO2 [-\]: Yesterday was a day off at the Congress, so this day's games are something like a fresh start..
]
;W[dq]C[USGO2 [-\]: Good morning, observers.  This is your scribe, Richard Dolen. 
Mortis [?\]: when will the two aga pros go to korea btw? i think they have to for 6 months?
ligo [4k\]: is w/b choice random?
Cassis0 [5d\]: good morning richard
Mortis [?\]: is pengwang song a us citizen or from korea?
USGO2 [-\]: White is away from the table..
]
;B[do]C[Mortis [?\]: is b a korean pro student (wonseng) or "just a normal player"?
USGO2 [-\]: Black seems to have waited for White to return before making his move.
]
;W[co]C[heqi [1d\]: all the players on 3 wins are 7dan-ish? Couldn't see any ranks on the results table :-(
]
;B[dp]
;W[cp]
;B[eq]
;W[cn]C[Mortis [?\]: hey usgo can you please tell us who b is?
]
;B[dn]
;W[dm]C[heqi [1d\]: go avalanche go, don't play d2!
heqi [1d\]: yes
]
;B[cq]
;W[dr]
;B[bq]
;W[cr]
;B[cm]
;W[cl]C[spanglish [3k\]: c7
]
;B[br]
;W[er]
;B[bm]
;W[bn]C[spanglish [3k\]: b6
]
;B[bl]
;W[bp]C[Muttley [2k\]: heh
]
;B[fq]C[heqi [1d\]: that's more like a joseki :)
USGO2 [-\]: Black is Pengwang Song, 7d
]
;W[em]C[prff [3k?\]: i think he wants more biographical info
USGO2 [-\]: Sorry, I don't know much myself.
Mortis [?\]: do you know if he's a US citizen or from korea? ^^
heqi [1d\]: male/female? old/young?
]
;B[fo]C[ThiGar [3k\]: Is this joseki the famed avalanche?
prff [3k?\]: yes
ThiGar [3k\]: thanks
spanglish [3k\]: i've never played it
USGO2 [-\]: I  believe he's Chinese; at least he hangs out with other Chinese players at lunch.
gnarf [1k\]: don't ever try :P
AngkorThom [2k?\]: there are so many variations :)
Muttley [2k\]: no, there's not, there's only one
Muttley [2k\]: you die.
Muttley [2k\]: If you don't know it :)
AngkorThom [2k?\]: i know all the variations for dying so :)
Muttley [2k\]: hehehe, trust me, I do :)
ThiGar [3k\]: after b e3 is usually play w d2
Muttley [2k\]: oh, sorry, you said you do :) yeah, me also
heqi [1d\]: sounds like a chinese name
Mortis [?\]: oh seems like b is chinese yeah
svartrev [6k\]: Pengwang Song sounds more like a korean name... or maybe Malaysia or Phillipines somewhere
Muttley [2k\]: though ironically, the small avalanche it is easier to die more quickly if you misplay it
kuikentje [3d\]: d2 is one possibility yes
Pink [1k\]: what's the next move?
Mortis [?\]: well the "song" made it sound korean ^^
kuikentje [3d\]: I prefer to play more solidly at c3
heqi [1d\]: song is chinese too
kuikentje [3d\]: nice and simple
Pink [1k\]: b1 for white?
]
;W[fr]C[Muttley [2k\]: that's how Cho Chikun used to play it, kuik
gnarf [1k\]: but main variation of the small is easier
]
;B[ck]C[USGO2 [-\]: Black is of slight build, is wearing a horizontally stiriped T-shirt of broad white, grey and black stripes.
USGO2 [-\]: He's wearing light blue jeans and sneakers.
Huldioho [10k\]: why is it joseki. result is very good for black?? or not?
Muttley [2k\]: Huldioho, there's more to come :)
heqi [1d\]: corner is kinda dead so its not bad for w either
Pink [1k\]: i don't see how it's very good for either of them
spanglish [3k\]: then is even
ThiGar [3k\]: w g2 sente to set up a crane's nest?
ThiGar [3k\]: g3*
]
;W[gq]
;B[gp]C[zinkoo [2k\]: When this joseki first came out, they considered it better for white because the corner is dead.
]
;W[hq]C[spanglish [3k\]: i've seen a5 here for white to live
zinkoo [2k\]: But, there is something black can do at the corner.  Making double ko and thus having infinite number of ko threats.
heqi [1d\]: f7 next most common
Muttley [2k\]: ahh, is that so?  I thought it was considered better for black until Go Seigen introduced turning outside instead of turning in
USGO2 [-\]: White is talll and thin, wearing a bright oraange T-shirt, dark blue jeans and sneakers.
USGO2 [-\]: They both wear glasses.
svartrev [6k\]: Looks like Pengwang Song is Chinese.
svartrev [6k\]: http://fuseki.info/games_list.php?sb=full&bs=bp&d=1&id=0RN10E10 has him as competing in the Chinese Wanbao Cup Amateur
svartrev [6k\]: and http://gokifu.com/player/Song+Pengwang shows him as Chinese
]
;B[ip]C[kuikentje [3d\]: I would see this move as a provocation :)
zinkoo [2k\]: Muttley.  What Go Seigen introduced was turning inside instead of outside.  Then, every one thought it was better for white until he himself played the joseki from the other side (i.e balck)
Muttley [2k\]: thanks zinkoo, my memory is really hazy on this one :)
zinkoo [2k\]: Of course, there are so many version of this joseki, and the player here are playing slightly different version.
ThiGar [3k\]: g8?
ThiGar [3k\]: h8*
spanglish [3k\]: bbw doesnt think so much usually
kuikentje [3d\]: push and cut feels natural
Thazz [?\]: push and cut is what black wants
Thazz [?\]: so it is natural to think first ;-)
rsun [4d\]: b can swallow e7
]
;W[ci]C[rsun [4d\]: if w push cut
heqi [1d\]: and andy goes out of the book...
TurtleDove [4k\]: yay just saw W on the video looking at board 1
]
;B[ek]
;W[hp]
;B[ho]
;W[fn]C[kuikentje [3d\]: nice
yon: ooh
kuikentje [3d\]: some forcing moves and then cut anyway
arunasr [?\]: Where is the video??
]
;B[eo]
;W[gn]
;B[go]
;W[gl]C[TurtleDove [4k\]: through eurogotv
Newax [1d\]: this game ?
matsutoya [12k\]: I have subscribed three times in the last 5 days, they never give me a password
arunasr [?\]: Oh, the one where you have to login and I don't have an account
yon: cut ??
Mortis [?\]: maybe check your spam filter? :-s
]
;B[de]
;W[cg]C[matsutoya [12k\]: how does one check one's spam filter? I am trying to figure it out, but. . . 
evanj [-\]: yyour password is "password123," just like your bank account
yon: who told you my password ?
]
;B[fj]C[matsutoya [12k\]: besides, how come they can answer my letters, but still don't give me a password?
TurtleDove [4k\]: I go into mail. it gives me a list of mail boxes. one is spam filter
fdsafda [10k\]: how much time do they have?
Newax [1d\]: Try and suscribe from any other mail adress, normaly u get a passaword within a few seconds
matsutoya [12k\]: I'll try that, thanks.
]
;W[fg]C[DiPerson [5k\]: e13
fdsafda [10k\]: h10
TurtleDove [4k\]: B 2 running groups. doesn't seem ideal
matsutoya [12k\]: No, I tried that already too . . .. I think they may be dissing me now, I called Jan Simara a lazy bum at the Redmond Cup game, and it got published.
kuroitane [6k\]: ewwww
kuroitane [6k\]: andy played the avalanche?
kuroitane [6k\]: I truly hate that joseki
prff [2k?\]: jan simara is a lazy BUM nor bum
prff [2k?\]: not*
prff [2k?\]: tonight's naim should be enjoyable
]
;B[im]
;W[hk]
;B[ao]
;W[ap]
;B[hj]
;W[ij]
;B[hi]
;W[jp]C[prff [2k?\]: sometimes i feel like everyone is ignoring me :`-(
kuroitane [6k\]: its hard for me to think of US pros as actual pros
prff [2k?\]: why?
kuroitane [6k\]: because they didn't exist until this year =P
prff [2k?\]: oh
TurtleDove [4k\]: until last week :)
TurtleDove [4k\]: give it time
prff [2k?\]: what an anticlimatic discussion
unicornz [1k\]: how much do the new pros get paid?
prff [2k?\]: precisely 0$
pinpingho [?\]: none of course
kuroitane [6k\]: when I think of people like lee sedol and go seigen and sakata eio
kuroitane [6k\]: I just can't see US pros being in the same league =P
unicornz [1k\]: well that's more than me
JEGO [7k\]: us in Europe, we will also have european pros :), let we see if thez are better
pinpingho [?\]: asian pro don't get paid either, except japan
evanj [-\]: well, they're not
evanj [-\]: in the same league that is
ligo [4k\]: andy will be fine pro
AngkorThom [2k?\]: think to the future kuroitane
unicornz [1k\]: mabe when the aga pro league is as old as the korean one they will be as storng
prff [2k?\]: many asian pros aren't in the same league as those players either, luro
evanj [-\]: maybe
inte [?\]: they are eligible for some "real" pro tournaments - with some luck we'll find out whether they can compete or not
prff [2k?\]: but the aga needs time to grow and sending players to compete in korea and teach with that experience is a step in a good direction
prff [2k?\]: inte, they cannot, but in time they will
AngkorThom [2k?\]: anyways, this is by doing this such of things, that maybe they will be able to compet with asian pro in 20 years
DiPerson [5k\]: what nick name Andy Liu  is KGS ?
kuroitane [6k\]: meh
prff [2k?\]: bigbadwolf
prff [2k?\]: and possibly hjekshdf
kuroitane [6k\]: I should just become a pro next year and beat the korean and japanese pros
prff [2k?\]: probably even
TurtleDove [4k\]: the longest journey begins with a single step
tibul3 [5k\]: you do that Kuro :D
kuroitane [6k\]: after all
prff [2k?\]: i should become a trillionaire and marry natalie portman
kuroitane [6k\]: I am the strongest 6k ever
cambodia [8k\]: does b H8 has any effect?
tibul3 [5k\]: little known fact the strongest 6k's are as good as 1p
prff [2k?\]: h8 not good
prff [2k?\]: h8 h7 j8 j6 j5 h6 k6 k5 l7 j3 e.g.
]
;B[iq]
;W[io]C[Hellhuman [1d\]: oh, amateur vs professional
Hellhuman [1d\]: 1p easy win
Hellhuman [1d\]: :>
Hellhuman [1d\]: harhar
]
;B[ir]
;W[hr]C[yon: ladder ??
Hellhuman [1d\]: what ladder?
]
;B[jo]
;W[in]
;B[hn]
;W[jn]
;B[gm]C[prff [2k?\]: k7
]
;W[fl]C[kuroitane [6k\]: that's the thing
]
;B[hl]
;W[il]C[kuroitane [6k\]: if it's not an easy win for the 1p, that doesn't say much for the level of pros compared to amateurs in america
JEGO [7k\]: is there a vidéo on line?
prff [2k?\]: only of board 1
]
;B[gk]C[prff [2k?\]: ko
]
;W[hm]C[kuikentje [3d\]: every pro was an amateur just before turning pro
kuikentje [3d\]: and it's not like their game is improved merely by being named pro
pytta [2k\]: Fact: Go Seigen was 9p when 5 months old.
]
;B[hs]
;W[jm]C[pytta [2k\]: </Dwight Schrute>
unicornz [1k\]: but one month in china is 19 years here
]
;B[gr]C[unicornz [1k\]: because of timezones and stuff
arunasr [?\]: Aren't any of you interested in the actual game going on??
prff [2k?\]: arun, please keep the discussion about the game
tenrai [2k\]: lol
arunasr [?\]: So what do people think aboout this exchange?
kuroitane [6k\]: good for whiut
kuroitane [6k\]: bad for bluick
svartrev [6k\]: Doesn't white need b1 now ?
prff [2k?\]: no
kuroitane [6k\]: nope
MeTryBlitz [5d\]: why the heck did he play h1?
kuroitane [6k\]: he was silly and thought it was a good threat
]
;W[op]C[prff [2k?\]: not really
arunasr [?\]: As soon as I saw h1 played I thought W should ignore and take the ko
AngkorThom [2k?\]: but if b c1 it is ko no ?
kuroitane [6k\]: and you were right in thinking that
prff [2k?\]: no
prff [2k?\]: c1 a3 
kuroitane [6k\]: yep
MeTryBlitz [5d\]: k7 was like the best ko-threat ever. -_-
svartrev [6k\]: what about b just b1 ?
goochem [2d\]: c1 a3 b1
goochem [2d\]: w dead
goochem [2d\]: :)
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: ...
prff [2k?\]: c1 b1 a1 a3 
tibul3 [5k\]: 0.o
kuroitane [6k\]: c1 a3 b1 a2 
goochem [2d\]: a6
kuroitane [6k\]: a6 d1 
goochem [2d\]: f1 ko
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: except no
prff [2k?\]: c1 a2 
gaspard0 [2d\]: theres nothing in the corner
kuroitane [6k\]: yep
kuroitane [6k\]: white is just alive there
svartrev [6k\]: what does white do if black plays b1 ?
prff [2k?\]: just need to spend a second to think
gaspard0 [2d\]: a3 svart
tibul3 [5k\]: white's fine
prff [2k?\]: gochem is just being annoying
goochem [2d\]: my mistake 
kuroitane [6k\]: this game is suspenseful
svartrev [6k\]: odd, I tried it just now on offline board, and it didn't work for white, now it does... I've got a cold, that must be it, I'm reading wonky
svartrev [6k\]: Thanks gaspard0
]
;B[cf]
;W[dg]
;B[cc]C[USGO2 [-\]: White has been away from the board since his last move.  He just peeked in.
]
;W[cb]
;B[cd]
;W[eb]C[prff [2k?\]: is it true that white wears a wolf costume for all of his tournament matches?
]
;B[fe]C[prff [2k?\]: doesn't seem like w will be able to get either of these groups
]
;W[hg]C[kuroitane [6k\]: it's not about getting groups
kuroitane [6k\]: it's about forever being stronger than your opponent
spanglish [3k\]: w is winning
]
;B[am]
;W[ar]C[kuroitane [6k\]: hmmm
Soromon [2d\]: b has to turn at j11
kuroitane [6k\]: game is still fairly even
]
;B[fc]C[prff [2k?\]: difficult to count at this point
prff [2k?\]: after this fighting is done
prff [2k?\]: will be able to
heqi [1d\]: this fighting won't be done for a while :)
prff [2k?\]: probably
kuroitane [6k\]: hmmm
prff [2k?\]: if i had to say if w or b was ahead, i'd say b at this moment
]
;W[fb]C[kuroitane [6k\]: I still say its about even
Soromon [2d\]: why not white take the sequence of e16 e15 f16 g16 g17? or just b17? or ignore ant j11?
kuroitane [6k\]: maybe white's a little better than black
kuroitane [6k\]: white can't ignore
kuroitane [6k\]: corner is way too big
prff [2k?\]: if white could kill e9 without question he would sac the croner
kuroitane [6k\]: that's a silly statement
]
;B[eh]C[spanglish [3k\]: makes sense to me
spanglish [3k\]: that group seems bigger
Hightime [3d\]: h3 wasn't too big to capture
prff [2k?\]: why is it silly, kuro?
tibul3 [5k\]: Don't think b would have much trouble surviving there anyway
]
;W[fh]C[kuroitane [6k\]: white doesnt stand to gain enough to make up for what he loses and black gains by capturing the corner
prff [2k?\]: not true
ThiGar [3k\]: white 's wall is a small powerhouse
vsai [2k\]: i agree with prff
meditation [1d\]: Who is ahead?
underworld [2d\]: white looks better imo
vsai [2k\]: depends
kuroitane [6k\]: game is slightly white
vsai [2k\]: j11 already
salu [2k\]: e11 first
underworld [2d\]: black is in trouble anyway
ThiGar [3k\]: black cut no good?
underworld [2d\]: not working :-)
]
;B[di]C[prff [2k?\]: if b cuts, b gets cut
meditation [1d\]: interesting move
spanglish [3k\]: e14
meditation [1d\]: e11
ThiGar [3k\]: b14
spanglish [3k\]: d10
kuroitane [6k\]: people who attempt to focus hard usually focus on the wrong things =P
Soromon [2d\]: e13 simple
Soromon [2d\]: or d14 a loose connection that puts a little more pressure on the black group on top?
spanglish [3k\]: but w wants j11
jockey: is song a chinese or korean?
prff [2k?\]: song sounds korean
Soromon [2d\]: Richard are you using your own personal mouse?
prff [2k?\]: but evidence points to chinese
prff [2k?\]: perhaps a chinese mother, korean father
]
;W[ii]
;B[cj]C[ThiGar [3k\]: everybody lose!
prff [2k?\]: no, i was thinking j11
prff [2k?\]: so i win
]
;W[ei]C[prff [2k?\]: tell me what i've won
ThiGar [3k\]: :)
]
;B[bi]C[kuroitane [6k\]: a Milano cookie
]
;W[dh]C[ThiGar [3k\]: a Mikado loonie
]
;B[ch]
;W[bh]C[Mortis [?\]: hm why didnt b connect his groups?
prff [2k?\]: what do you mean?
Soromon [2d\]: he is about to, with b13 ko
MaedaRyo [6p\]: hi
ThiGar [3k\]: now the wall is a big powerhouse
prff [2k?\]: b13 ko baaaaaaaaaaaaad idea
Soromon [2d\]: Maechan~
prff [2k?\]: hello, maedaryo
kuroitane [6k\]: if he was going for a ko here, why didn't he play it so that he took the ko first?
ThiGar [3k\]: Takemiya: "inconsistent moves tell amateurs from pros"
]
;B[ci]
;W[bf]
;B[ah]
;W[bg]
;B[gc]C[Soromon [2d\]: black is alive with c11 but now the group on top is under attack and w gets d8 sente
]
;W[ic]C[Soromon [2d\]: fierce
ThiGar [3k\]: man, is it gonna end up a wall to wall wall?
Soromon [2d\]: b will break out here with j15 or something
Soromon [2d\]: free turn at g18 first
]
;B[id]C[heqi [1d\]: looks like andy is winning to me, any high dan care to say?
prff [2k?\]: /sigh
kuroitane [6k\]: black has a lot of problems and white has good influence
prff [2k?\]: kuro, you're not high dan. your comment is beneath heqi and you wasted his time by posting
royu [4d\]: lol
kuroitane [6k\]: I'm 6k, and I wasted no one's time but my own by posting =P
prff [2k?\]: i'm being sarcastic, kuro
royu [4d\]: seriously, people who play go are not really worried about wasting time :)
yon: people, let's count
bendan [5d\]: i like w too, but i might be biased cos i like andy :-)
prff [2k?\]: who doesn't like andy?
Algorithm [10k\]: people who are alive aren't really worried about 'wasting time'
kuroitane [6k\]: I have absolutely no opinion of either player
royu [4d\]: i feel w leads slightly but b has advantage is how this upper left situation plays out
]
;W[jc]C[royu [4d\]: so depending how it plays out, b might end up ahead or even
arunasr [?\]: Actually peopel who watvh other people play go are not really worried about 'wasting time'
prff [2k?\]: no, i think this is good for w
prff [2k?\]: b has the weak group
ThiGar [3k\]: interesting comment yon. when counting such a situation (if possible), how far do you deliniate white's influence?
royu [4d\]: "prff, you're not high dan. your comment is beneath royu and you wasted his time by posting"
royu [4d\]: j/k 
]
;B[hc]C[prff [2k?\]: no, you're right.
inte [?\]: that kind of comment is also a waste of time (including my own. damn.)
prff [2k?\]: next time, you should call for high dans only to comment
kuroitane [6k\]: have some sense of self-worth, prff =P
royu [4d\]: no, just merely poking fun at you prff :). open systems have their worth... anyways i'm not high dan enough myself
meditation [1d\]: Is 4d high dan?
kuroitane [6k\]: mid-dan
prff [2k?\]: royu, i know. everything i said wasn't serious. just still throwing jabs at heqi
meditation [1d\]: weak dan.. I think..
royu [4d\]: w can be separated into two groups + weakness at j13 cut
royu [4d\]: so i still think b should get sente out of the end of this sequence
]
;W[bc]C[royu [4d\]: = ties up the game or gets advantage
]
;B[bd]
;W[bb]C[royu [4d\]: very important to have closure to the life of these groups and get sente
]
;B[jd]
;W[kc]C[heqi [1d\]: j12 issue does seem v important
heqi [1d\]: if i am b i think i will j12 now
]
;B[kd]
;W[lc]C[shambli [3k\]: because it's not important?
prff [2k?\]: j12 not an issue
KriGO [10k\]: w can still connect at a16 
royu [4d\]: well, i think w chose b17 over h18 or similar because it helps make j12 not a big deal, w b15 forces w to get eye at c14 i think
heqi [1d\]: hmm i guess yea, and can always f11 sente too if needs be...
heqi [1d\]: well if w alive there already this game must be in the bag for andy :-p
jwc [-\]: w b15, a16 d16
heqi [1d\]: true jwc
ThiGar [3k\]: f11, d8, b15 ... so many sentes
jwc [-\]: maybe b can e14
]
;B[nc]C[kuroitane [6k\]: this doesnt feel like a pro game at all
Soromon [2d\]: white connects underneath at h18
Mortis [?\]: m16 first
shambli [3k\]: how much time left?
ThiGar [3k\]: w's only regret in this gamemay be j17
]
;W[ld]
;B[kf]C[USGO2 [-\]: Black has 38 min, White has 68 min.
Soromon [2d\]: h13 getting weaker
Mortis [?\]: maybe h15 peep, then try r14?
Mortis [?\]: for w
meditation [1d\]: b turns the tables by that move.
NeilM [4k\]: Looks great for B
]
;W[lf]C[Soromon [2d\]: i guess white can pull an eye by b15 threatening to connect
Mortis [?\]: hmm why omit h15
Soromon [2d\]: but still f11 ruins the other one
AngkorThom [2k?\]: b15 a16 d16 w looks fine for the moment
]
;B[lg]
;W[mf]C[ThiGar [3k\]: n14 is enough. w can tennuki on any local b move
goren2 [3k\]: who's winning the tournament?
]
;B[jg]C[cloudbrows [7k\]: http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/
meditation [1d\]: American Go Association.
]
;W[hh]C[meditation [1d\]: nice
]
;B[an]
;W[bs]C[NeilM [4k\]: Why waste a ko threat?
haritaci [2d\]: m14
NeilM [4k\]: m14?
]
;B[mg]
;W[nf]C[haritaci [2d\]: n*
NeilM [4k\]: n14 was occupied also
haritaci [2d\]: n13:)
NeilM [4k\]: ok
ThiGar [3k\]: 20 points each on the left half
]
;B[qf]
;W[ng]
;B[mi]C[ThiGar [3k\]: poor wall,  damaged since k17.
haritaci [2d\]: n12 
]
;W[ni]C[donovan [7k\]: better than o13?
donovan [7k\]: 12*
Mortis [?\]: haha o17-q16-r14 shape xD
NeilM [4k\]: Compare game speed with typical manic KGS game speed
]
;B[if]C[bsaltman [4k\]: is b in trouble? Or just live but lose sente (still trouble)
prff [2k?\]: usgo, has andy expressed any plans to compete in korea?
bsaltman [4k\]: w may use sente to build big lower r moyo now
prff [2k?\]: no such thing as a lower right moyo possible
bsaltman [4k\]: shoulkd be easy game for w now
]
;W[pc]
;B[qc]
;W[qd]C[ThiGar [3k\]: w in big trouble
bsaltman [4k\]: no
]
;B[rd]
;W[od]
;B[qe]
;W[oc]C[bsaltman [4k\]: this exchange favored w?"
Mortis [?\]: gote :<
]
;B[oq]
;W[pp]
;B[pq]
;W[qo]C[ThiGar [3k\]: new avalanche would favor white
prff [2k?\]: pancakes are a good food for lunch. too filling for breakfast
bsaltman [4k\]: o 4
ThiGar [3k\]: s4
prff [2k?\]: andy is winning
bsaltman [4k\]: o4 threatens l5
prff [2k?\]: i count him +1 with greater potential
]
;B[qq]
;W[np]
;B[ro]
;W[qn]
;B[rn]
;W[qm]
;B[mj]
;W[qh]
;B[oe]C[tibul3 [5k\]: somehow counted w +4 but my counting is obviously lacking 
]
;W[nd]C[Mortis [?\]: counting w+8 atm but very hard to assess really
USGO2 [-\]: The players have broken for lunch.  Me  too.
prff [2k?\]: okay
prff [2k?\]: half hour or hour lunch?
ThiGar [3k\]: l5 l4 m5 m4 r9 
inte [?\]: "Either player may request an adjournment for lunch after 12:00 before his/her turn. The player who is to move seals the next move in an envelope and stops the clock, and play is suspended. The envelope is left with the TD along with the time adjourned. The adjournment will last for 60 minutes."
prff [2k?\]: ty
goren2 [3k\]: 010 is the adjurned move
Dragoness [4d\]: lunch break O.o
Dragoness [4d\]: whoa andy liu became 1p?
Dragoness [4d\]: nice :)
Hellhuman [1d\]: yeah, he is american pro now
Hellhuman [1d\]: :D
risingpro [4k?\]: games not over???
Hellhuman [1d\]: i prefer black..^^'
Hellhuman [1d\]: without counting
Hellhuman [1d\]: just on first sight
shika12 [-\]: agreed
shika12 [-\]: does anyone know how this american pro system will work?
prff [1k?\]: i think w is ahead
prff [1k?\]: american pro can compete in korean domestic tournaments
prff [1k?\]: rather, aga pro* as the second aga pro is canadian
shika12 [-\]: Canada is still part of North America
jasch [2k?\]: w is gonna have a hard time to get enough territory in the center
shika12 [-\]: so America pro is fine :)
jasch [2k?\]: without that its definitely favroable postion for b
idontcare1 [4d\]: no hardc time for w
idontcare1 [4d\]: w is leading
idontcare1 [4d\]: and its easy game imho
jasch [2k?\]: its b turn though
jasch [2k?\]: i see so much room to invade for b why do xou consider this to be easy for ?
jasch [2k?\]: w*
risingpro [4k?\]: if andy plays o3 first i think he has a better chance
shika12 [-\]: so... will bbw's rank go to 1p now?
Muttley [2k\]: I have black about 2-3 ahead on the board, so white about 4.5 ahead on komi
juedws: the chess is over and b is lost
Muttley [2k\]: but I haven't tried to figure out the yose at all :))
Muttley [2k\]: problem with the yose is, it looks like black can't make much but simply try to reduce how much more white makes
Muttley [2k\]: so if white really is ahead on the board ....
Muttley [2k\]: overall, I mean :)
shika12 [-\]: that o3 point will be big soon
Muttley [2k\]: b would N3 there I think
shika12 [-\]: yyea, but I mean the point itself is big
Muttley [2k\]: there's no more than 10 points there for black
Paddy053 [3k\]: no n3 takes more aji from the centre 
Muttley [2k\]: precisely so
shika12 [-\]: ... I know, that's why I said soon
shika12 [-\]: I didn't mean play it now
Paddy053 [3k\]: no iwas was referring to whether o3 oder n3
jasch [2k?\]: well soon s7 will be big too
Muttley [2k\]: but that's your problem, black's not really going to get both as high value plays
shika12 [-\]: oh well, you're right paddy
Muttley [2k\]: L5 is the most hard-nosed approach, but I bet it doesn't work
shika12 [-\]: l5, tenuki
Muttley [2k\]: can't tenuki that ...
Muttley [2k\]: that allows black to reduce all the territory around O7
jasch [2k?\]: l5 would need som preparation in teh center first to be strong
jasch [2k?\]: like n8 
shika12 [-\]: I was think o8 jasch
jasch [2k?\]: hm also an option but it is weaker agains the lower center and focuses more on the rigt
jasch [2k?\]: it can be cut
shika12 [-\]: yea
jasch [2k?\]: does anyone know when the break started?
shika12 [-\]: i was actually thinking more so to the right
shika12 [-\]: of the two though, n8 does definitely leave more aji
jasch [2k?\]: yea and the right can be reduced easily with moves like s12 and s8 or s7
jasch [2k?\]: so no need to hurry ther
jasch [2k?\]: e*
risingpro [4k?\]: o
]
;B[nj]
;W[nq]
;B[rm]C[jasch [2k?\]: oh
prff [1k?\]: is tenuki a type of noodle?
]
;W[kq]
;B[ql]
;W[pl]
;B[pk]
;W[qk]
;B[rl]C[prff [1k?\]: if andy loses this game i will strip him of his 1p and he will become 30k again
Dragoness [4d\]: haha :D
]
;W[ok]C[bsaltman [4k\]: p8 only
jasch [2k?\]: only what?
]
;B[pj]C[jasch [2k?\]: <,9
]
;W[om]C[bsaltman [4k\]: seemed loke move
]
;B[nl]
;W[ol]C[DiPerson [5k\]: L5
]
;B[ph]
;W[pg]C[jasch [2k?\]: hm i thought he would play p12 :(
prff [1k?\]: p12 is dangerful for b
prff [1k?\]: p12 o12*
jasch [2k?\]: why did you consider p1 dangerous?
AngkorThom [2k?\]: i think p12 doesn't for b
jasch [2k?\]: bs group on the top is already alive
]
;B[nm]C[arunasr [?\]: In English dangerful is written dangerous (i.e. there is no word "dangerful")
]
;W[on]C[prff [1k?\]: good thing i'm not speaking english
bsaltman [4k\]: but there is eiter wonderful or wondderous
jasch [2k?\]: tru you are just typing it
prff [1k?\]: i'm speaking american. and in america we have a little thing called freedom as in the freedom to make up your own words
targaryen [1k\]: murica
bsaltman [4k\]:  m6
Dragoness [4d\]: lol dangerful
calgacus [3d\]: nice word
blurb1: i like dangerful sounds a bit esperante everybody knows wha<ts meant xD
jasch [2k?\]: i guess that prff is from a german speaking country am I right?
mkeller [2k\]: i would like to add mightyful 
hogwash: US Go Home!
jasch [2k?\]: cause it does resemble german language a bit ^^
bsaltman [4k\]: how about an oily im stead of a tari?
DiPerson [5k\]: w lost ?
prff [1k?\]: english tends to do that, jasch, as english is germanic
Goprince [4d\]: no w win
Dragoness [4d\]: i cant tell whose winning
mkeller [2k\]: w mightyfully makes an eye
risingpro [4k?\]: andy never loses
Goprince [4d\]: w ahead it seems
jasch [2k?\]: well thats true
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: what is the adeverb form of lovely?
mkeller [2k\]: lovelily?
]
;B[ib]C[indianayk [4d\]: lovingly
]
;W[pb]C[targaryen [1k\]: lovelyly?
mkeller [2k\]: lovelyfullyly?
prff [1k?\]: mkeller wins
abbadan [-\]: loveliy
targaryen [1k\]: lovelous
]
;B[qb]C[Sandmann [-\]: love
jasch [2k?\]: hm a lovely love is kinda cheeky ^^
bsaltman [4k\]: ugly
abbadan [-\]: uglily
jasch [2k?\]: well ok nvm that
jasch [2k?\]: haha
mkeller [2k\]: victory!
jasch [2k?\]: that was no adverb tehre :D
DiPerson [5k\]: andy loses rolan111
]
;W[fi]C[bsaltman [4k\]: what is singular form of plural? plura?
prff [1k?\]: plural is singular
maher140 [2k\]: ...
maher140 [2k\]: i forgot how kibitz didn't concentrate on the game.
]
;B[ej]C[prff [1k?\]: maher, if you play the kibitz backwards it does
]
;W[nk]C[risingpro [4k?\]: yay
]
;B[mk]
;W[ml]C[DiPerson [5k\]: b win ?
risingpro [4k?\]: i knew it was coming eventually
]
;B[ll]
;W[mm]
;B[lm]
;W[mn]
;B[ef]C[Sandmann [-\]: y b no p12
maher140 [2k\]: pretty sure that w is winning
]
;W[eg]C[prff [1k?\]: ofc white is winning. he's the wolf
]
;B[ko]
;W[dl]
;B[dk]C[prff [1k?\]: p10
prff [1k?\]: -ish
Dragoness [4d\]: hmm
]
;W[ln]C[prff [1k?\]: this is close enough for me
bsaltman [4k\]: what is ko,i
bsaltman [4k\]: /
]
;B[kp]C[bsaltman [4k\]: komi is how much?
]
;W[kr]C[prff [1k?\]: http://senseis.smp.net/?ko
]
;B[jq]C[prff [1k?\]: komi is 7.5
maher140 [2k\]: komi is 7.5
Goprince [4d\]: komis is too much
maher140 [2k\]: aga rules 
pliages [?\]: 7.5 but in aga rules
prff [1k?\]: komi is what it needs to be
jasch [2k?\]: and koi is a fish
prff [1k?\]: in area counting, komi must be odd
bsaltman [4k\]: wont it aways be odd with 1/2 at end
prff [1k?\]: the integer part. non integers arem
prff [1k?\]: even or odd
Goprince [4d\]: m9
bsaltman [4k\]: m9 kills
juedws: w looked as another man
pliages [?\]: m9's big
]
;W[pi]C[Meepy [-\]: yose is so difficult :(
jasch [2k?\]: yose is fun though
pliages [?\]: b r
pliages [?\]: ?
jasch [2k?\]: my favorite phase of the game
pliages [?\]: Black resigned ?
arunasr [?\]: For the bots yose is easy
pliages [?\]: but chuban harder
maher140 [2k\]: i'm sure bots don't have perfect yose
prff [1k?\]: no se que yose es, ese
jasch [2k?\]: yose is endgame
Meepy [-\]: what's a chuban?
ady [1d?\]: middle game
prff [1k?\]: i know, jasch. just that that was fun to say, so i thought i'd share.
jasch [2k?\]: ic
jasch [2k?\]: waht you did there :D
juedws: b have the burden to make eye
jasch [2k?\]: didn't immediatley got that ^^
]
;B[jk]
;W[ik]
;B[qj]C[USGO2 [-\]: Black is in byo yomi
mair: byo yome?
prff [1k?\]: can you see andrew's time
]
;W[oj]C[prff [1k?\]: byo yomi = overtime
juedws: if i use w, i will shut the b
mair: ty
]
;B[qi]
;W[oh]C[pliages [?\]: and white isn't?
]
;B[rh]C[jasch [2k?\]: now m9
prff [1k?\]: probably not
prff [1k?\]: w has been playing quicklier than b
pliages [?\]: ok
juedws: first s11, then s13
jasch [2k?\]: qucklier :D
bsaltman [4k\]: quicklier is not a word. it is said "more quicklyu"
]
;W[rg]C[risingpro [4k?\]: l12
Meepy [-\]: juedws got it exactly wrong 
juedws: this became a jie
prff [1k?\]: what did i tell you about being 'merican, bsaltman?
]
;B[ri]
;W[qg]C[mair: jie?
juedws: no good for white
pliages [?\]: a jie?
bsaltman [4k\]: nothing useful
bsaltman [4k\]: that is "awsww----geeee"
juedws: but the b gave up this option
]
;B[ki]C[juedws: now, b the top corner, bad taste
]
;W[rf]C[arunasr [?\]: When will O2 be big enough for W to play
jasch [2k?\]: ah finally
Roosta [5k\]: which is Andy?
jasch [2k?\]: he protected that cut
]
;B[re]
;W[qa]
;B[ra]
;W[pa]
;B[rb]C[prff [1k?\]: andy is w
]
;W[ke]
;B[je]C[prff [1k?\]: w behind
prff [1k?\]: henna?
]
;W[kj]C[pliages [?\]: amazing game
DiPerson [5k\]: b win 8.5 ?
maher140 [2k\]: no...
maher140 [2k\]: se giving b fake 12 points
prff [1k?\]: i don't look at se
xedover [?\]: black has 2 byo-yomi periods left
bsaltman [4k\]: se retarded
]
;B[kk]C[pliages [?\]: and w?
calgacus [3d\]: painful, l11 was on the wrong point
Dragoness [4d\]: black is winning
prff [1k?\]: please, bslatman, don't insult retarded people
Dragoness [4d\]: haha :)
Paddy053 [3k\]: lol
bsaltman [4k\]: we can never converse again 
Dragoness [4d\]: cmon andy :)
maher140 [2k\]: hmmm
Dragoness [4d\]: i think that black is too far ahead for him to come back though :(
prff [1k?\]: i believe it to be close
maher140 [2k\]: oh wait, in aga rules is it like chinese rules where dead stones aren't points?
risingpro [4k?\]: andy is never behind
]
;W[jj]C[prff [1k?\]: maher, count as you would for japanese rules, it doesn't matter
maher140 [2k\]: "black is too far behind to come back" yay, that means andy is winning ;o
]
;B[lj]C[bsaltman [4k\]: w + 3.5
Soromon [2d\]: w+10
]
;W[jb]C[jasch [2k?\]: big move !
DiPerson [5k\]: L6
]
;B[lq]
;W[lr]C[jasch [2k?\]: k10 should have been bs privilege
]
;B[nr]
;W[mr]C[prff [1k?\]: it's close, w should with by around 5p
jasch [2k?\]: k18 i mean
]
;B[or]
;W[lp]
;B[lo]
;W[mo]
;B[en]
;W[fm]C[juedws: b need two eyes 
]
;B[ec]
;W[dd]
;B[db]
;W[da]C[prff [1k?\]: eyes are overrated
]
;B[ed]
;W[db]C[Soromon [2d\]: With komi white easily ahead.
Paddy053 [3k\]: which group you refer to? juedws?
Sungod [1k?\]: yep
maher140 [2k\]: throw in= free points?
juedws: now, b start attack b
jasch [2k?\]: indeed just use your sixth sence
prff [1k?\]: no, maher
Soromon [2d\]: now b15 h18 miai
prff [1k?\]: just alters white shape slightlu
prff [1k?\]: not a big deal right now
prff [1k?\]: but could be better yose later for b
able [5k\]: g18 sente now?
maher140 [2k\]: i see
DiPerson [5k\]: b what not d19
]
;B[gb]C[royu [4d\]: feels like b wins?
Sungod [1k?\]: not really
prff [1k?\]: b15
]
;W[be]C[risingpro [4k?\]: andy never loses
bsaltman [4k\]: 7.5 komi makes  it w
Mortis [?\]: w slightly ahead
prff [1k?\]: g18 was mistake i think
pliages [?\]: never? ^^
]
;B[ce]
;W[ad]C[Mortis [?\]: h15 peep wouldve shined?
]
;B[mp]C[Mortis [?\]: shone
]
;W[kn]C[prff [1k?\]: when, mortis?
royu [4d\]: oh n/m w ahead nwo
royu [4d\]: now*
pliages [?\]: ow
Mortis [?\]: in early game, after m16 or so
]
;B[jp]C[calgacus [3d\]: n4 looks a dud
]
;W[jh]
;B[kh]C[Soromon [2d\]: n12 cruel
prff [1k?\]: idk, can't rewind. so lame
]
;W[mh]C[juedws: n12
xedover [?\]: black is down to one period
prff [1k?\]: w wins. no ?
]
;B[le]
;W[gf]C[pliages [?\]: u mean : 1 period of byo-yomi no?
]
;B[ge]C[prff [1k?\]: yes
Paddy053 [3k\]: yes
]
;W[hf]
;B[he]C[prff [1k?\]: what else would he mean?
]
;W[me]C[pliages [?\]: i don't know ~~~~
]
;B[lp]
;W[mq]C[Sungod [1k?\]: o.t
Sungod [1k?\]: o.5
USGO2 [-\]: Black down to last 30 seconds
prff [1k?\]: o5 nonsense
USGO2 [-\]: White resigns
prff [1k?\]: huh
jasch [2k?\]: wow
Sungod [1k?\]: zero point five
gnarf [1k\]: wahh
Soromon [2d\]: no
Soromon [2d\]: lies
maher140 [2k\]: what?
pliages [?\]: ??
Sungod [1k?\]: not O5
Soromon [2d\]: I think you mean black resigns.
USGO2 [-\]: Oooops. Black resigns
llawli3t [5d\]: lol
Sungod [1k?\]: ^^
gnarf [1k\]: ah
pliages [?\]: mh
jasch [2k?\]: lol
tibul3 [5k\]: lol
Sungod [1k?\]: prff..
prff [1k?\]: lol
Soromon [2d\]: ^_^;
Paddy053 [3k\]: yeah, that was so unintended...
Mortis [?\]: ~~
gnarf [1k\]: :P
prff [1k?\]: what a troll, usgo2
Sungod [1k?\]: haha, gg
pliages [?\]: andy STRONG
Mortis [?\]: problem?
Sungod [1k?\]: really lol?
Soromon [2d\]: Richard makes us sweat.
gnarf [1k\]: anyway, thx usgo
DiPerson [5k\]: who win?
USGO2 [-\]: Sorry about that.  Thrill a minute.
zinkoo [2k\]: Not black, but white resigns?
juedws: now, w less than b over 20 point
USGO2 [-\]: Black resigns.  Black resigns.  Black resigns.
maher140 [2k\]: lol
Soromon [2d\]: W ahead 10.5 or so.
juedws: if w can not kill one piece of b, w will lose 
royu [4d\]: white resigned? (jk)
idontcare1 [4d\]: nice
juedws: maybe
Soromon [2d\]: I don't think f5 was standard for black ... turn at f2 first and the whole game is different
calgacus [3d\]: b iresigned
blurb1: when will be the game hu-liu?
Soromon [2d\]: round 5 tomorrow
blurb1: i look forward to this game^^
trolympics: omg is w pro?
Limbert [-\]: is that bbw?
Mef [-\]: yes
Limbert [-\]: thanks
Cassis0 [5d\]: who resigned? 
spanglish [3k\]: b
edcrfvt [-\]: w won 6,5 points
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