(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[7200]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
GN[28th US Open - Round 3]PW[Pengwang Song]PB[Matthew (ZiYang) Hu]WR[7d]BR[1p]DT[2012-08-05]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Dennis Wheeler]C[mate105 [3d\]: good morning
USGO1 [-\]: Welcome to 2012 US Open at US Go Congress in Black Mountain, NC, Round 3 Board 1!  We are watching Pengwang Song 7d (W) vs Matthew (ZiYang) Hu 1p (B).
ibd [-\]: ohio
hvk [-\]: hi
USGO1 [-\]: for pairings and results: http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/163?sort=player
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[dp]
;W[pp]
;B[cd]
;W[pc]
;B[ec]
;W[cj]
;B[nq]
;W[lq]
;B[cn]
;W[cg]
;B[qq]
;W[pq]
;B[qp]
;W[po]
;B[pr]
;W[or]
;B[qr]
;W[oq]
;B[qn]C[Scottcard [-\]: no live video feed?
Dexxter [6k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
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;W[qe]C[Scottcard [-\]: cheers
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;B[jq]C[plath [2d\]: I do not care for w in the lower-right
plath [2d\]: I feel b gets solid territory while w can get a weak group
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;W[dr]
;B[fr]
;W[cq]C[bobstep [6k\]: judging from the go channel here in china, many players have started playing L3 instead of m3 for that reason
plath [2d\]: Interesting!
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;B[cp]
;W[br]
;B[fq]
;W[bp]
;B[bo]
;W[ql]C[mw0x2a [2k?\]: w trying to treat his group as strong as possible
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;B[qm]
;W[pl]
;B[kc]
;W[mc]C[Goprince [4d\]: but if l3 then m3 ko aji
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;B[no]
;W[nr]C[bobstep [6k\]: the reasoning they gave is that if w decides he has to capture o3 at least he has a little more space
choguling [7k\]: why didn't black o2 before p5?
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;B[om]C[plath [2d\]: If b plays o2, w usually plays o4, and this probably would have hindered b's desire to get into the center
Lakanal [7k\]: Playing a pro must be scaring, but playing it as white is quite something :)
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;W[jp]C[mw0x2a [2k?\]: w or b, no difference with komi
mw0x2a [2k?\]: 7.5p is a lot
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;B[iq]C[peachframe: USGO, do you know which game is commentated ^^
USGO1 [-\]: I don't know... it'll be announced when it happens
peachframe: ahh okay thank you
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;W[kq]
;B[ko]
;W[kp]
;B[lo]
;W[on]C[USGO1 [-\]: about an hour into the game so far, and Pengwang has used 3 times as much time as Matthew
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;B[nn]
;W[pm]
;B[pn]C[Ritm [5k\]: Matthew is one of the new pros?
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;W[oo]C[Caode [15k\]: He does have [1p\] next to his name.
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;B[rl]C[mw0x2a [2k?\]: no
mw0x2a [2k?\]: he is a chinese pro
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;W[rk]
;B[mq]
;W[mr]
;B[ol]
;W[ok]
;B[nk]
;W[oj]
;B[nj]
;W[oi]C[USGO1 [-\]: Matthew is a Chinese pro living in Vancouver, BC
USGO1 [-\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?ZiYangHu
USGO1 [-\]: Pengwang is from Shanghai, currently going to school in Tuson, AZ
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;B[kr]
;W[lr]
;B[jr]
;W[jo]C[DivineFTL [4d\]: w gonna die!
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;B[jn]
;W[in]
;B[jm]C[dsmic [-\]: really?
DivineFTL [4d\]: I hope so
dsmic [-\]: :)
inte [?\]: two things in life are certain: death, and taxes.
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;W[ho]C[dsmic [-\]: taxes are easy to avoid:) just try to live from go at my level:)
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;B[ni]C[MaedaRyo [6p\]: hi
mw0x2a [2k?\]: hello
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;W[nh]C[Kotomi [6d\]: hi maeda :D
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;B[mh]C[mw0x2a [2k?\]: w is getting a nice chunk of land on the right
YellowBird [?\]: Is W's group at bottom alive?
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;W[rm]
;B[rn]C[mw0x2a [2k?\]: not completely, no
grumpyjoe [-\]: trying to figure out a way to double hane
atiyah [2d\]: don't allow yourself to hope it's going to die though
atiyah [2d\]: you'll just set yourself up for disappointment
]
;W[sl]C[Scorpion [1k\]: o13?
Minjhou [-\]: why T8 is prefered to T6?
Gillis [5k?\]: I would've started running with whites group a long time ago lol. I just can't see it getting away smoothly without losing the left side in the process or sacrificing something huge
dsmic [-\]: I dont see that t6 works
Gillis [5k?\]: I wonder what the best move would be for attacking it though
Gillis [5k?\]: was thinking about J7 but black would probably aim to attack the left side first for more strength right?
Minjhou [-\]: doesn't S9 protect S7 and T6?
Syu [2k\]: i dont get you minjhou, s7 was on atari
Minjhou [-\]: oh, right
dsmic [-\]: :)
Minjhou [-\]: I was watching the game, just the stones as they are now
Minjhou [-\]: *I wasn't
]
;B[dj]C[Gillis [5k?\]: !
Gillis [5k?\]: thats what you guys get for ignoring me :d
Meepy [-\]: w says "check please"
DivineFTL [4d\]: I love black's position on the board right now. Giving white some land on the right, chasing the botoom group, and then making a huge moyo in the center.
Meepy [-\]: I wonder how much he will tip
Gillis [5k?\]: I suppose black isn't actually trying to kill white?
Gillis [5k?\]: I would have gone for the kill at this stage ^^
dsmic [-\]: perhaps m2 really dies now...
Gillis [5k?\]: hmm well
Gillis [5k?\]: if black wanted that wouldn't D9 shoulder approach be better?
USGO1 [-\]: white is leaning bar over the board. he is studying every position very intently
Gillis [5k?\]: a direct attachment like this feels like he wants to seperate white left side stones and at the same time build strength to attack the bottom group
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;W[ci]C[Gillis [5k?\]: hmmm but I just can't see white getting away with this
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;B[hl]
;W[hm]
;B[ip]
;W[io]
;B[gl]C[DivineFTL [4d\]: I hope w dies.
Gillis [5k?\]: he should :S
mw0x2a [2k?\]: w has 1 gote eye
mw0x2a [2k?\]: i'd not be happy as white
Gillis [5k?\]: I have no idea why he played nobi to C11
Gillis [5k?\]: pretty arrogant :P
Aslan1st [14k\]: would K8 be futile for w?
Gillis [5k?\]: "I can live on the left AND bottom"
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;W[gm]C[mw0x2a [2k?\]: resistance is futile, asian
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;B[fl]C[mw0x2a [2k?\]: aslan*
Meepy [-\]: nobi is to not give b more forcing moves there
Gillis [5k?\]: well
Gillis [5k?\]: black is pretty calm about this
YellowBird [?\]: Yeah, it's almost like B is a professional or something.
Gillis [5k?\]: argh don't sarcasm me
Gillis [5k?\]: :D
USGO1 [-\]: both Curtis and Andy (from board 2) are standing here watching this game
Gillis [5k?\]: I predict resign
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;W[fo]C[USGO1 [-\]: Matthew continues to sit, either staring off into space, or at his opponent
YellowBird [?\]: USGO1, how much time does each player have left, now?
Gillis [5k?\]: next move must be M1 or P1... or is there any eye stealing tesuji left up there?
USGO1 [-\]: I often can't tell who's turn it is (if I missed a move) because they both are usually studying the board so intently, and the running clock is on the other side of the table from me
USGO1 [-\]: Matthew check's his opponent's clock
USGO1 [-\]: Pengwang has just under an hour left on his clock and we're almost 2 hours into this game now.
shapsie [?\]: should white have moved to j7?  will his move keep w alive?
shapsie [?\]: now balck can kill with p1 or m1
Gillis [5k?\]: I dunno P1 or M1 removes eye shape
Gillis [5k?\]: but F5.. does white want to cut at E4?
shapsie [?\]: don't think it could work
shapsie [?\]: i think white missed J7, black blocks, then white could do Q1 or L1
Gillis [5k?\]: well the bottom group has to be alive
Gillis [5k?\]: but the left side group is just slightly in trouble then
Gillis [5k?\]: or it is just me being paranoid
Syu [2k\]: f3 j3 shape seems not very good, but i'm bad at tsumego
Gillis [5k?\]: as usual... thats why people live inside my moyo all the time
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;B[dl]C[Gillis [5k?\]: oh
Gillis [5k?\]: err
Gillis [5k?\]: white lives :s?
kukulis4 [2d\]: P1 and makes eye at o1
kukulis4 [2d\]: but may be white want to get sente?
kukulis4 [2d\]: or play some kikashi moves before living
Gillis [5k?\]: I have no idea
Gillis [5k?\]: why in the world...
Gillis [5k?\]: maybe black has counted that he will have more points from the moyo anyway?
]
;W[qo]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: might be true
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;B[ro]
;W[sn]
;B[sp]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: another interesting place is cutting around e4
Gillis [5k?\]: well
kukulis4 [2d\]: may be white M1 is sente
Gillis [5k?\]: black kinda secured that with D8
Gillis [5k?\]: I am bad at L&D but black looks alive at bottom atleast :o
indianayk [4d\]: t2
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;W[il]C[Aslan1st [14k\]: I feel like k8 would have been better
kukulis4 [2d\]: if t2 works, then black shouldn't play t4
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;B[im]
;W[mg]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: or you are wrong indianayk
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;B[ng]
;W[oh]
;B[lh]C[lucifer3 [2k\]: w still not alive yet  isnt it?
Gillis [5k?\]: yeah...
Gillis [5k?\]: I have no idea
Gillis [5k?\]: lol
indianayk [4d\]: because of t2, w tenukied to save p2 group
Jye [2k\]: think he is.. eye at h6 is safe and he can make another at g5 if needed
Gillis [5k?\]: T2 really kills?
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;W[kn]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: no, just lets white to play p1 in sente
]
;B[nl]C[Gillis [5k?\]: why? lack of liberties?
Gillis [5k?\]: I can't see it
Gillis [5k?\]: xD
kukulis4 [2d\]: well, may be indianayk might clone the game and show to all us :)
kukulis4 [2d\]: or we may wait and see white will play that here
Gillis [5k?\]: heh
Gillis [5k?\]: well I gotta go unfortunately :/ too bad I didn't manage to see it
indianayk [4d\]: if w t2, w can take q6 5 stones in gote
kukulis4 [2d\]: i saw that variation in other games, but may be there are other... better variations in this corner position ... without loosing s5 ?
indianayk [4d\]: w has too many liberties
]
;W[ln]
;B[mn]
;W[np]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: Gillis: you can  join the clonned game, I'll show you
indianayk [4d\]: ? who cares anout these 2 stones?
peachframe: how old are these players?
kukulis4 [2d\]: probably you can see it in my games list
peachframe: they look quite young
alrobin [9k\]: Matthew is 14
DivineFTL [4d\]: b can n4
]
;B[eg]C[YellowBird [?\]: k8 for W?
Minjhou [-\]: why k8?
]
;W[ke]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: then white M4, n5, k8, L7, M7, L8, M8, L9, O7, N7; white N8, black O7, and I dont see if white can do anything more here ..
kukulis4 [2d\]: this was a variation after black N4
]
;B[bf]
;W[bg]
;B[ld]C[Meepy [-\]: it's all threats in case b wants to play ko after T2
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;W[mf]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: yeah, after T2, white makes bent four in the corner
Warfreak2 [4d\]: why ko
kukulis4 [2d\]: which leads to a ko if white wants to kill corner for own life
Warfreak2 [4d\]: b can make a seki
kukulis4 [2d\]: dont see how it makes a seki
Meepy [-\]: b could live straight up if he gives up s5
]
;B[bk]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: t2 q1
Warfreak2 [4d\]: no need to give up any stones
]
;W[ck]
;B[bl]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: but anyway, w doesn't need to kill to live, o3 is half an eye, o1 half an eye, h6 one eye
Meepy [-\]: then s4
Warfreak2 [4d\]: then s3
Meepy [-\]: ah
kukulis4 [2d\]: if after white t2 black play q1, then white P1 is sente, leading to the 1000 year ko in the corner if unanswered.
Readl [7k?\]: is there a feed for this?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: p1 sente, leading to kill if unanswered
kukulis4 [2d\]: kill in ko?
USGO1 [-\]: Matthew checks his watch
Meepy [-\]: how about t2 q1 s1?
]
;W[eh]
;B[fg]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: then s2
kukulis4 [2d\]: Then white T7 and black S4
Meepy [-\]: yup you're right
kukulis4 [2d\]: so after we "resolved" the bottom right, we now can look at the left side, where we see white is dying :)
]
;W[fh]C[ryuzakee [1d\]: t2 s2 then what
kukulis4 [2d\]: if after white t2 black play s2, then S5 dies
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;B[ej]C[USGO1 [-\]: he slams that one down
kukulis4 [2d\]: t2, s2, t7, t3, s4, s3, t5
kukulis4 [2d\]: q1 is very important point
ryuzakee [1d\]: sacrifice 5 stones
Warfreak2 [4d\]: why sac 5 stones
Warfreak2 [4d\]: t2 q1 lives with all, just no territory
ryuzakee [1d\]: ah k
Meepy [-\]: can't see w escaping here
Meepy [-\]: g13?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: if w escapes, b might complain in the EGR
Meepy [-\]: they usually do
mw0x2a [2k?\]: b will likely tattoo his name on his body if w escapes
kukulis4 [2d\]: what is EGR?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: english groan room
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;W[gh]C[mw0x2a [2k?\]: actually, groaning is not allowed in the egr
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;B[gg]
;W[hh]C[kokoasa: is this a tournament?
Meepy [-\]: yes
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;B[hg]C[lucifer3 [2k\]: if b cant kill something then he is in a territorial disadvantage
Meepy [-\]: biggest US tournament of the year
Meepy [-\]: winner gets like $50
Meepy [-\]: b is gonna kill either B13 or L15
USGO1 [-\]: http://www.gocongress.org/
]
;W[ih]C[LaiLai [11k\]: what is w plan? 
Warfreak2 [4d\]: various weaknesses for b
mw0x2a [2k?\]: winner of this tournament gets to go on a date with a kardashian
mw0x2a [2k?\]: or was it a cardassian? i forget. one of those
]
;B[dh]
;W[di]
;B[dg]
;W[ei]
;B[jg]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: start wreck
tsutsui1 [9k?\]: who is playing?
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;W[cl]
;B[dm]C[zakman [4k\]: w starts to look less death than before
LaiLai [11k\]: still very hard to make eyes. 
UrriS [7k\]: hmm... In my opinion, did not
Wagaboo [4k\]: pengwang song as w, ziyang hu as b
]
;W[bj]
;B[bm]
;W[cf]
;B[be]C[RobertT [-\]: looks very dead
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;W[dd]C[UrriS [7k\]: a11 ^^ still only 1
LaiLai [11k\]: a 11 gote eye. 
UrriS [7k\]: yes/ and gote
RobertT [-\]: so far white has 2 gote eyes
LaiLai [11k\]: where is second one? 
RobertT [-\]: w should be able to get one in h10 area
RobertT [-\]: with something like g10 f10 j10 
LaiLai [11k\]: it is an illusion
UrriS [7k\]: how?
RobertT [-\]: the sequence i gave should be enough for an eye
LaiLai [11k\]: g 10 h 10 
LaiLai [11k\]: for exxample
RobertT [-\]: g10 h10 f10 easy eye at f11
LaiLai [11k\]: it isnt so easy) 
RobertT [-\]: its super easy
RobertT [-\]: its already 100% sn ryr ig you yty h10
RobertT [-\]: woops finders sliped
RobertT [-\]: an eye if you try h10*
Meepy [-\]: I totally agree about the sn ryr ig you yty
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;B[dc]
;W[ce]
;B[bc]
;W[ig]
;B[if]
;W[jf]C[RobertT [-\]: yah g10 just creats a gote eye
RobertT [-\]: no way to stop it
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;B[kf]C[Wagaboo [4k\]: uh ?
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;W[je]
;B[ie]C[fischmann [1k\]: b bad
Wagaboo [4k\]: k17 k16 l18  ?
RobertT [-\]: b  wants to kill
Wagaboo [4k\]: sacrifice woould be good don't u think N
LaiLai [11k\]: yeah
LaiLai [11k\]: no way. 
calgacus [3d\]: How much time does w have left USGo?
fischmann [1k\]: w l13 push b cant defend
Wagaboo [4k\]: b would just secure the top i think
Manest [3k\]: but if g10, then  b12 and just one eye no?
LaiLai [11k\]: yeah we talk about gote eyes. 
]
;W[kl]C[Wagaboo [4k\]: oh
Wagaboo [4k\]: w connect ouch
fischmann [1k\]: b lost
Wagaboo [4k\]: i hope b has a tesuji in mind or he lost
]
;B[jl]C[pettorres [2k\]: to watch live
pettorres [2k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
dice [6k\]: or http://www.ustream.tv/channel/us-go-congress-2010 if you don't want to make an account
Vash3G [-\]: please do not link the ustream account in chat
]
;W[jk]
;B[ik]
;W[jj]C[Manest [3k\]: hehe ziyang look realy more interested than 10 minute ago
]
;B[kg]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: m10 
RobertT [-\]: when's the next broadcast after this one?
RobertT [-\]: of any kind
mw0x2a [2k?\]: 6.5 hours
RobertT [-\]: ok so not going to broadcast again until strong players open and NAIM?
mw0x2a [2k?\]: yes
USGO1 [-\]: right; 7p tonight 
]
;W[le]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: shouldn't w have m10 first, to fix l9
Readl [6k?\]: can he do m10 even after L9?
Johnson888 [2k\]: l9 is good move for b now
pettorres [2k\]: the tesuji in the left conner was the same sai and Touya-Meijin played in episode 55 =D
pettorres [2k\]: b12 sente right?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: in that case i think b can l10
klm [2d\]: b12 small now
pettorres [2k\]: humm seems so big =D
pettorres [2k\]: it`s sente and also a threat to the center group, isn`t it?
blurb1: l9 m9 l10 l11 m10 m11 n10 l12 and w connects?
kukulis4 [2d\]: black cant play l9 right ?
stoneater [2k\]: hello USGO1: how much time do both have?
kukulis4 [2d\]: I think black will play something like M10 now
Johnson888 [2k\]: may be b is worrying about  j16?
kukulis4 [2d\]: white's position is better
MrZNF [5d\]: he can worry all he want, but if not l9 now, all black middle dies
kukulis4 [2d\]: or isnt?
MrZNF [5d\]: that´s worth a lot
calgacus [3d\]: what about  k11 for b
pettorres [2k\]: l9 seems to work in sente to me
pettorres [2k\]: for black
]
;B[ki]C[pettorres [2k\]: after black n11 white must make 2 eyes, right?
pettorres [2k\]: well what ever now =P
]
;W[ji]C[Johnson888 [2k\]: l9 
]
;B[kk]C[calgacus [3d\]: if b l9 befor, w has a tesuji at l12
pettorres [2k\]: l12 l11 k12 m13 m11 n11 m9 ?
pettorres [2k\]: this one?
kukulis4 [2d\]: now we see, that its very good that black didnt play N4
]
;W[kj]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: l10 m9 m10 n10 m8 n9 l7 j8 n5 n4 m4 n5 n7 o7 n11l12 k12 m13 
]
;B[lk]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: but it's dangerous, if b saves n3 then w only 1.5 eyes on bottom
]
;W[ge]C[kgsgeust: hi
aiken23 [7k\]: G15 is powerful
pettorres [2k\]: over play?
sume [8d\]: nothing is overplay now
goejgo [14k\]: hi
]
;B[ee]C[aiken23 [7k\]: Cant overplay when your trying to live
]
;W[lj]
;B[mi]C[TrueNugget: You could overplay so much you kill another would be alive group.
]
;W[hf]C[Fleymen [4k\]: If white loses this dragon, the game is over.
pettorres [2k\]: 7k comment or 8d... let me see... i guess i should belive in 8d...
Madzilla [2d\]: N5 works, doesn't it?
pettorres [2k\]: nobi?
Madzilla [2d\]: n5 n4 m4 n5 n7 o7 n9 m8 n8 l7 m7 
aiken23 [7k\]: Awww did I hurt your feelings¿
Gillis [5k?\]: pettorres I think that was pretty rude tbh
]
;B[he]C[Madzilla [2d\]: ah. no
]
;W[ch]C[Madzilla [2d\]: damezumari :P
pettorres [2k\]: sorry i do think so too
]
;B[ij]C[pettorres [2k\]: sorry aiken...
pettorres [2k\]: it`s the tension of the game i guess =D
sume [8d\]: if i am not mistaken
sume [8d\]: there is nothing forW
Gillis [5k?\]: white looks dead... again? xD
kukulis4 [2d\]: game over?
Johnson888 [2k\]: w all dead in the middle
Reporter [11k\]: Go Canada!
Gillis [5k?\]: wait what
Joebrown [8k\]: o.o
Gillis [5k?\]: is this a canadian playing O.o?
Meepy [-\]: L12
Joebrown [8k\]: Reporter I thought you had to go half an hour ago
Gillis [5k?\]: lol
Gillis [5k?\]: reporter is skiping work!
Joebrown [8k\]: Lol.
Reporter [11k\]: Well, but then Jun said I should support my fellow Canadian
Joebrown [8k\]: Shame on you
Gillis [5k?\]: :D
pettorres [2k\]: over
yon: wait, which one is the bot ?
USGO1 [-\]: White has resigned the game.
Fleymen [4k\]: Now I'm not a high dan, but running with this stones on the right side isn't the best thing to do IMHO.
calgacus [3d\]: Impressive play again by black
pettorres [2k\]: g15 big mistake i guess
EricM [3d\]: what if e14?
ThiGar [3k\]: the dragon is dead
Gillis [5k?\]: I still have no idea why black couldn't kill the bottom group earlier in the game
evanj [3d\]: how would e14 work
pettorres [2k\]: they are commenting the game now
megaschaf [1k\]: did andi win ?
fakeyou [1d\]: does Andy still playing in this torney?
calgacus [3d\]: Kid had it all read out, it seems from the video feed.
Gillis [5k?\]: does anyone here know why black nor white never play M1 or P1 earlier in this game?
Gillis [5k?\]: played*
zakman [4k\]: impressive
pettorres [2k\]: miai with n4 
Gillis [5k?\]: no
Gillis [5k?\]: before
pettorres [2k\]: humi see
Gillis [5k?\]: yeah
Gillis [5k?\]: very weird
Gillis [5k?\]: they just left it
pettorres [2k\]: well i dont remenber that far =P
ligo [4k\]: andy won
Gillis [5k?\]: after white did F5 black played D7
Gillis [5k?\]: and then white could have lived with M1 or P1 but ignored it and played tenuki
Gillis [5k?\]: and so did black
Gillis [5k?\]: I just have no idea why
Gillis [5k?\]: lol
pettorres [2k\]: maybe he felt confident with living there and play a bigger point
Gillis [5k?\]: well
Gillis [5k?\]: thats what I was thinking but killing that group basically wins the game
Gillis [5k?\]: I was thinking there were some tricks with the cut at E4 or etc
Gillis [5k?\]: someone mentioned T2 as well but...
Gillis [5k?\]: can't see the S5 stones getting caped
pettorres [2k\]: i guess its the diference from dan to us =P
Gillis [5k?\]: ye ^^
pettorres [2k\]: well bye
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