(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[7200]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
GN[2012 US Open Round 1 Board 2]PW[Edward Kim, 7d]PB[Andy Liu, 1p]WR[7d]BR[1p]DT[2012-08-05]EV[2012 US Open]RO[1]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Richard Dolen]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: 1p =)
hvk [-\]: HI
USGO2 [-\]: hi; we're just awaiting the signal to begin
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[dp]C[Saber [3d\]: how is andy liu 1p?
Chachi [1d\]: he won the pro tournament
Warfreak2 [4d\]: andy liu 1p :-D
CrossKid [6d\]: Heh nice he gets to use his shiny 1p status in the tournament
CrossKid [6d\]: very nice
Saber [3d\]: AGA Pro tournament?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: but i thought it wasn't official until september
USGO2 [-\]: Andy is one of our 2 brand-new US-certifoed professionals; he and gangsheng shi won the pro tourney this week
CrossKid [6d\]: It was probably an exception
Saber [3d\]: he won even though all these guys came from Korea and Japan and stuff? :O
]
;W[pd]C[USGO2 [-\]: see the story on the aga website
Roosta [5k\]: you just have to be a US citizen
]
;B[dc]C[CrossKid [6d\]: .... they were u.s and canada players saber
Saber [3d\]: oh
CrossKid [6d\]: not japan,korea and china players
Saber [3d\]: ok then
Roosta [5k\]: NA citizen, I mean
USGO2 [-\]: I'm Chris Garlock, your game recorder this morning
Roosta [5k\]: gangsheng shi is Canadian, I believe
USGO2 [-\]: thanks for watching
Roosta [5k\]: Thanks a lot, Chris!
]
;W[ce]C[CrossKid [6d\]: Nice to meet you chris 
USGO2 [-\]: yes, gangshen is canadian
Warfreak2 [4d\]: thanks for broadcasting
]
;B[pp]C[CrossKid [6d\]: heh I thought gansehgn shi played for the u.s like it was marked on the site or maybe i mistook it
Roosta [5k\]: I heard someone mention that the final game to determine who would be pro besides Andy Liu was between two Canadians, so I don't have a reliable source xD
gnarf [1k\]: "Andy Liu, 1p" that is really cool!
]
;W[ed]
;B[ec]
;W[fd]
;B[gc]C[CrossKid [6d\]: Well i remember there being 3 canadians enterd which was Jianing Gan, Bill Lin and 1 other but it wasnt GanSheng Shi
CrossKid [6d\]: he was marked as American
Uberdude [4d?\]: jing yang
CrossKid [6d\]: right
Skel [1d\]: who is andy liu on kgs ?
Roosta [5k\]: Ah, i must be mistaken then
]
;W[fc]
;B[fb]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: bigbadwolf
Roosta [5k\]: bigbadwolf and hjekshdf
]
;W[cc]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: and keyboardmash
CrossKid [6d\]: maynerd
CrossKid [6d\]: many others
Skel [1d\]: ok
]
;B[gd]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: this is an unsualy order from white
planvert [16k\]: slt
Roosta [5k\]: it looks like he wants to get down and dirty from the word go
USGO2 [-\]: ok, I'm handing off to Richard Dolen now; enjoy the game and follow the Congress in the EJ dailies!
Javaness [3d\]: hhi richard
]
;W[gb]
;B[eb]C[Ukasuhs [5d?\]: hi java
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: ;)
]
;W[hb]
;B[dd]
;W[de]C[Cassis0 [5d\]: j17
Cassis0 [5d\]: g15 first maybe 
]
;B[cd]
;W[bd]
;B[bc]C[Javaness [3d\]: don't like this result
]
;W[be]
;B[ic]
;W[ib]C[CrossKid [6d\]: whites position is not good at all ... 
ThiGar [3k\]: Hi all USGOs! You've done a sterling job with the new pro certification! What a huge task!
]
;B[kc]C[goren2 [3k\]: g15
]
;W[jc]
;B[jd]
;W[jb]
;B[kb]C[Javaness [3d\]: i'd be thinking about resign
Roosta [5k\]: 3d gives 1p two stones, right?
Roosta [5k\]: ;-)
gopoliz [3k\]: w in trouble?
haritaci [2d\]: no
Roosta [5k\]: it looks like b is making himself very thin
miao [6d\]: b is killing
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i trust andy liu
Warfreak2 [4d\]: he's a pro
USGO2 [-\]: Hello watchers.   And thanks to Chris Garlock for holding the fort for the beginning of the game.
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i guess w doesn't have much besides b18
JonathanW [12k\]: Thanks Chris!
Warfreak2 [4d\]: j16 seems obligatory
ThiGar [3k\]: b18 turns things around?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: not very far around
goren2 [3k\]: h16?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: maybe 20 degrees at most
ThiGar [3k\]: :)
goren2 [3k\]: h17 rather?
bobstep [6k\]: h17 j16 h16 g15  is sente
Roosta [5k\]: hey Richard, is there any place we can look to see the bracket for the competition?
JonathanW [12k\]: h17 g15 e15 j16 
USGO4 [-\]: I will put the reference for the tournament website as soon as I verify the correct address.
]
;W[kd]
;B[id]C[Javaness [3d\]: double hane
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i'll be interested to see how this can possibly produce an equal result
Javaness [3d\]: Equality is not the objective of the stones
Warfreak2 [4d\]: probably it cannot...
JonathanW [12k\]: if living on the top with 5 points and giving black a wall is even then its already done
haritaci [2d\]: Why pro plays amateur?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: why not
Warfreak2 [4d\]: it's an open tournament
ThiGar [3k\]: WF2, it reminds me of a classic pro joke: "Ah, new joseki?"
Warfreak2 [4d\]: :-)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: go seigen likes that one afaik
haritaci [2d\]: have you asked him?
Chachi [1d\]: strong
Warfreak2 [4d\]: he's my drinking buddy
Chachi [1d\]: white is dead?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: we hope so
ThiGar [3k\]: btw, where can we find th biopic about Go Seigen?
haritaci [2d\]: in warfreaks toilet
Warfreak2 [4d\]: why have you been looking there?
Demon [3d\]: andy liu 1p isn't board 1?
AmyTS [4k\]: creepy
sdbg [4k?\]: LOL
Warfreak2 [4d\]: no, zi yang hu 1p is on board 1
CrossKid [6d\]: hmm... how long has white spent on this position 
]
;W[mc]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: might as well use all of his remaining time
]
;B[ld]
;W[ke]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: game almost over
]
;B[lc]C[CrossKid [6d\]: lol 
CrossKid [6d\]: if he doesnt live there it is
]
;W[ge]
;B[fe]
;W[ee]
;B[if]C[goren2 [3k\]: j15?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: j15 h15 
sdbg [4k?\]: f15's purpose was to prevent that
Chachi [1d\]: ooh
Demon [3d\]: b+R in 39 moves?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: pro power
bkkboy [2k\]: doesn't the wedge at j15 work for w?
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: no
bkkboy [2k\]: am i missing something?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: no, h15 is double atari
Roosta [5k\]: is this game still happening or did w really resign?
bkkboy [2k\]: right, but w can put at h17 and that's double atari
]
;W[kg]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: w did not resign
Warfreak2 [4d\]: it's also self atari...
Roosta [5k\]: good, I want to see his house get blown down :-)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: j15 h15 h16 then either h17 or g14 works
Warfreak2 [4d\]: sorry, g14 doesn't work, but sure, capture at h17
bkkboy [2k\]: i guess b gets such a good position that w is better off sacrificing j18 group now
Warfreak2 [4d\]: what
Warfreak2 [4d\]: w did not sacrifice j18, he lost it
]
;B[hc]
;W[mb]
;B[lf]C[mw0x2a [2k?\]: looks bad for w already
mw0x2a [2k?\]: cute to see that 1p next to andy's name
Syu [2k\]: dont mess with a pro
mw0x2a [2k?\]: must be exhausted though for the open. i'd be surprised if he wins 
mw0x2a [2k?\]: i assume he is playing in the ing masters as well?
]
;W[kf]
;B[le]
;W[ig]
;B[he]
;W[gf]
;B[je]
;W[lg]
;B[nf]C[EricM [3d\]: c6?
]
;W[pf]
;B[mg]C[goren2 [3k\]: b18
]
;W[cn]C[haritaci [2d\]: why?
goren2 [3k\]: why not?
haritaci [2d\]: useless
mw0x2a [2k?\]: remopves a bunch of potential ko threats for w
]
;B[cl]
;W[en]
;B[ci]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: hmm b getting sealed in doesn't look so great
Uberdude [4d?\]: h17 puzzled me
mw0x2a [2k?\]: i really wish you could rewind demo games
mw0x2a [2k?\]: w/o opening a whole new board
]
;W[hg]C[mw0x2a [2k?\]: that sucks
Warfreak2 [4d\]: demo and broadcast should be seperate game types
]
;B[fq]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: doesn't make sense to rewind a lecture, but a broadcast game, yes
]
;W[bp]C[Chachi [1d\]: d7 d6 c3
Gouda [?\]: b4 looks slow
Uberdude [4d?\]: or have same game type
Uberdude [4d?\]: and a toggle
Uberdude [4d?\]: "follow owner"
]
;B[iq]
;W[dk]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: i don't tihnk wms envisaged broadcasts when he wrote kgs ages ago
mw0x2a [2k?\]: or rather teaching games should be allowed to set both players as the teacher so they could lecture
Uberdude [4d?\]: and he can;t bo bothered to improve kgs anymore
Uberdude [4d?\]: such a shame as such an easy feature
Uberdude [4d?\]: so much benefit
Muttley [2k\]: Uberdude, that's not true but never mind :)
shakti [-\]: kaya 
Uberdude [4d?\]: i must have clicked view offline over 10000 tmes
mw0x2a [2k?\]: can't be bothered to except he is
Uberdude [4d?\]: it is true muttley
Uberdude [4d?\]: he improves it in ways which he enjoys
ThiGar [3k\]: when willl kgs be released to open source?
Uberdude [4d?\]: not ways which improve it most
]
;B[ck]C[mw0x2a [2k?\]: let's not troll about kgs and just enjoy the game
]
;W[dj]C[ThiGar [3k\]: fine
mw0x2a [2k?\]: sorry i brought it up
]
;B[bn]C[mw0x2a [2k?\]: j3 seems like a bad idea to me
Hitomi [9k?\]: calling something you dont agree with trolling is a cheap shot
mw0x2a [2k?\]: the thing is, i do agree with uberdude
mw0x2a [2k?\]: no silence
mw0x2a [2k?\]: now*
]
;W[cj]C[Demon [3d\]: c5?
]
;B[co]
;W[bo]
;B[dn]
;W[cm]
;B[bm]
;W[dm]
;B[dl]
;W[em]
;B[el]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: oh sometihng exciting happened
Uberdude [4d?\]: time to view offline ;-)
Christos [-\]: Andy Liu, 1P :D has such a nice ring to it
gopoliz [3k\]: d3 ?
mw0x2a [2k?\]: i don't think the corner is the most important issue for w right now
haritaci [2d\]: d3=lose
gopoliz [3k\]: realy?
mw0x2a [2k?\]: w's position is really bad
mw0x2a [2k?\]: imo
]
;W[ep]
;B[eq]
;W[bj]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: i believe that
Sandmann [6d\]: could be worse
]
;B[cq]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: i thought b would d5
Hellequin [13k\]: wouldn't d5 kill his own group?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: no
haritaci [2d\]: no
Warfreak2 [4d\]: if w cuts at d3, b has two ways to escape
MaedaRyo [6p\]: hi
Warfreak2 [4d\]: yo
plath [2d\]: Hello
mw0x2a [2k?\]: hi
haritaci [2d\]: i
Sandmann [6d\]: this is worse enough for w
haritaci [2d\]: hi
ThiGar [3k\]: so b gets the big corner, right?
mw0x2a [2k?\]: yes
]
;W[gm]
;B[fl]
;W[gp]
;B[do]C[miao [6d\]: res
mw0x2a [2k?\]: miao, you can't resign. you're not playing
]
;W[hn]
;B[fj]
;W[fi]
;B[gi]
;W[ei]
;B[qn]C[miao [6d\]: don´t underestimate my powers
miao [6d\]: :)
plath [2d\]: Resigning is a power? Call me Superman
Roosta [5k\]: is r17 open, or do there need to be more b stones in the area?
haritaci [2d\]: hi Klark
plath [2d\]:  :)
miao [6d\]: r17 is open but no need to play there now
miao [6d\]: s15 maybe later
]
;W[or]C[haritaci [2d\]: how to be 2p in U.s xD
gopoliz [3k\]: 2p vs 1p
]
;B[pr]C[haritaci [2d\]: who is 2p?
gopoliz [3k\]: move
]
;W[pq]
;B[oq]
;W[qq]
;B[qr]
;W[op]
;B[nq]
;W[qp]
;B[po]
;W[nr]
;B[rr]C[miao [6d\]: w is hopeless
]
;W[mq]
;B[np]
;W[mo]
;B[no]
;W[nn]
;B[mp]
;W[lp]
;B[oo]
;W[lo]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: b+50
]
;B[lq]
;W[kq]C[mw0x2a [2k?\]: anyone know if andy is competing in the ing masters?
]
;B[mr]
;W[lr]
;B[hr]
;W[hk]
;B[gj]
;W[qi]
;B[qc]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: 3 second blitz
Warfreak2 [4d\]: how much time left for each?
Roosta [5k\]: b wants all corners
ThiGar [3k\]: 4 corners means victory
Roosta [5k\]: "If either side gets all four corners, w wins"
mw0x2a [2k?\]: b won't have all corners
Warfreak2 [4d\]: if either side has four corners, pro wins
]
;W[pc]
;B[rd]C[mw0x2a [2k?\]: w will get b18 yose
]
;W[re]C[Roosta [5k\]: w trying to kill or seal in?
mw0x2a [2k?\]: cannot kill
]
;B[qe]
;W[qd]
;B[rf]
;W[rc]
;B[se]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: r14
Demon [3d\]: i think b will win this game by res
]
;W[qf]
;B[qg]
;W[pg]
;B[qh]
;W[ph]
;B[ri]
;W[rj]
;B[rh]
;W[pi]
;B[rk]C[haritaci [2d\]: nostradamus
]
;W[sj]
;B[sg]C[wallh [4k\]: nostradamus means your lady ?
]
;W[mh]
;B[nh]C[mw0x2a [2k?\]: w needs to make about 30p in the center
Uberdude [4d?\]: good luck with that
Uberdude [4d?\]: w will die in the centre
Babur [1d\]: b will die in the center
Sisley [4k\]: this is dangerous position
Uberdude [4d?\]: lower right is old joseki thats good for b
Uberdude [4d?\]: dangerous thing knowing joseki
]
;W[qk]C[Ataxia [3k\]: Andy Liu is pro now ?!
]
;B[gh]C[gacua [1d\]: does andy liu have nick on kgs
Ataxia [3k\]: bigbadwolf
Warfreak2 [4d\]: bigbadwolf, hjekshdf
Ataxia [3k\]: and herm
Warfreak2 [4d\]: maynerd
Ataxia [3k\]: yes, ty
gacua [1d\]: i had a feeling that D8 is not alive
Warfreak2 [4d\]: then you spotted b5?
gacua [1d\]: oh right, i saw it was dead when I look at D5, but now i forgot lol
mw0x2a [2k?\]: i thought andy was all 9 dans on kgs?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: nope, all 9 dans are peter liu
mw0x2a [2k?\]: ahh, okay
]
;W[fg]C[gopoliz [3k\]: w can win?
]
;B[bk]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: wow b8
Uberdude [4d?\]: what is the meaning of this?
Uberdude [4d?\]: its a few points reverse sente
Uberdude [4d?\]: something inside?
mw0x2a [2k?\]: or, is it?
Uberdude [4d?\]: or avoid semedori
Uberdude [4d?\]: i suppose that could add a few more points
]
;W[rm]C[mw0x2a [2k?\]: i'd think it'd be bigger to play another move in the center
Uberdude [4d?\]: thats what i tohugh 
Uberdude [4d?\]: like n11
gacua [1d\]: I thought of N11 too
Warfreak2 [4d\]: funny cut at q15
gacua [1d\]: it happened in reality, didn't it?
]
;B[qm]C[mw0x2a [2k?\]: as opposed to this? what is this if not reality?
]
;W[rl]
;B[rn]
;W[pe]
;B[re]
;W[mi]
;B[nd]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: caught in a landslide
]
;W[qb]
;B[jp]C[cava [4k?\]: score randomizer again.. sigh
cava [4k?\]: how can it make f8  dead
mw0x2a [2k?\]: i just don't get why people even look at se. everyone knows it's bad yet they are compelled to look then complain about it
]
;W[jn]C[cava [4k?\]: i adjust it
cava [4k?\]: then its useful
]
;B[mq]C[cava [4k?\]: but its annoying
]
;W[kp]C[Demon [3d\]: k12?
]
;B[aj]
;W[ai]
;B[ak]
;W[bi]C[mw0x2a [2k?\]: not even true in this case, cava. not japanese rules
]
;B[nc]
;W[nb]C[mw0x2a [2k?\]: you can't adjust. it counts wrong
]
;B[jh]C[Demon [3d\]: good move andy, now he will res soon
cava [4k?\]: wow
Warfreak2 [4d\]: you mean, you don't know how to adjust it
]
;W[ki]
;B[ij]
;W[hj]
;B[ih]
;W[ii]
;B[ji]
;W[hi]
;B[hh]
;W[jj]
;B[kj]
;W[jk]
;B[kh]
;W[li]
;B[ni]C[mw0x2a [2k?\]: nice reading by andy
Ataxia [3k\]: b + 10
gopoliz [3k\]: pro power
Ataxia [3k\]: o11 so painfull
cava [4k?\]: awesome endgame, not boring at all :)
ThiGar [3k\]: now the center is broken open
Warfreak2 [4d\]: why didn't b k13 first
Ataxia [3k\]: seems to be miai
Warfreak2 [4d\]: not miai
Warfreak2 [4d\]: if b k13 then he can take two stones
Dumb [-\]: B+ res?
Ataxia [3k\]: so o11 is better than k13 
cava [4k?\]: o10 bigger anyway :D
]
;W[mj]
;B[nj]C[Dumb [-\]: ah it's still going
Demon [3d\]: because he can still k13 whenever he wants.  there are bigger moves than 4 points
]
;W[mk]C[Dumb [-\]: I thought someone said "b way ahead"
]
;B[cb]C[Ataxia [3k\]: 2 stones but gote
liusasori [4d\]: w about 40 b about 80
mw0x2a [2k?\]: haha. funny count
liusasori [4d\]: a slightly more for w since he get center, but still b+30
gacua [1d\]: black K13 eats at least 4 pts right?
]
;W[gq]
;B[gr]
;W[jr]
;B[ls]
;W[sn]
;B[so]
;W[sm]C[mw0x2a [2k?\]: more like b+20
]
;B[ro]C[gopoliz [3k\]: b+10
Demon [3d\]: 53.5 for w, 74 for b.
Demon [3d\]: i say b + abou t20
penilator: what does se say
Demon [3d\]: b+.5
Dumb [-\]: AGA rules, so doesn't matter
Demon [3d\]: lol
penilator: why does aga need its own rules
penilator: lol
Demon [3d\]: w should h14 imo
Demon [3d\]: if he's not going to res that is
]
;W[kr]
;B[gl]C[gacua [1d\]: I thought F14 is better because it removes the real aji there
]
;W[hl]
;B[go]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: f14 not sente
Demon [3d\]: ^
Dumb [-\]: f14 less points than g13 ?
Demon [3d\]: b+25 now ?
gopoliz [3k\]: b k13 and g13 
]
;W[ho]
;B[fo]C[Demon [3d\]: now is it enough to res?  =/
gacua [1d\]: very nice here
ThiGar [3k\]: nifty
]
;W[hq]
;B[fp]
;W[hp]C[Demon [3d\]: lol?
Uberdude [4d?\]: nom nom nom
Demon [3d\]: terrible trade
Dumb [-\]: f7 
Uberdude [4d?\]: andy so sharp
]
;B[ir]
;W[gn]C[gacua [1d\]: ?
Dumb [-\]: he's being kind?
]
;B[jo]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: now we see why d5
gacua [1d\]: C7 was 10 pts
Demon [3d\]: why didn't andy just kill the e6 stones?
Dumb [-\]: probably a gentleman
Dumb [-\]: knowing he's winning
weakl: its not worth it
Uberdude [4d?\]: more than 10
Dumb [-\]: so no need to embarrass a 7d
weakl: that's why
Warfreak2 [4d\]: an extra 1 point at e4
Demon [3d\]: 7d embarrass himself already by still not resigning after so long...
Uberdude [4d?\]: 11 pts
penilator: yes
gacua [1d\]: 12 ;)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: 11
weakl: he could probably do better than you demon
gopoliz [3k\]: птичка
gacua [1d\]: wait a minute, dead stone does not count, right?
penilator: lol "hes better than you" the most useless argument ever
Warfreak2 [4d\]: e4 isn't dead, it's half dead
Uberdude [4d?\]: e4 is only half captured gacua
Demon [3d\]: i'm not saying i'm better than him, but even i know to resign by this point
cava [4k?\]: still rude to play further if you know you lost and only hope for mistake
Warfreak2 [4d\]: so it's 1 extra point to capture it; the other half of the 2 points, 1 of which b already has
Uberdude [4d?\]: a 2pts gote move remaining is worth 1 pt
Dumb [-\]: a game is not over before both players pass
]
;W[ko]
;B[jg]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: if w plays he can gain 1 point also, to remove the 1 b already has
gacua [1d\]: But if black cut at F7, then it's dead
Dumb [-\]: so, maybe not rude, just super patient
Dumb [-\]: =)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: j2 may be larger
Warfreak2 [4d\]: since it removes w sente at h1, and also w l1 sente for a point of territory
gacua [1d\]: I believe F7 was bigger than J2, andy liu just acted kindly
Demon [3d\]: this game has been over for a while actually.  the winner is clear.  no reason to continue playing when there's no spot for a mistake to be made
gopoliz [3k\]:  res
cava [4k?\]: perhaps b hase someendgame at n6 etc
Uberdude [4d?\]: don't believe, count
Warfreak2 [4d\]: yes, definitely some chance to use these cuts at n6
USGO2 [-\]: White resigns
calgacus [2d\]: When is the next round, please?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: go andy!
Demon [3d\]: tomorrow morning, same time
penilator: how much does aga pay their pros a month?
gopoliz [3k\]: bbw
Tensho [1k\]: andy liu is pro?
cava [4k?\]: look at usgo.com
Uberdude [4d?\]: j2 11.5 i think
chester59 [4d\]: nop
Uberdude [4d?\]: plus the n6 aji
chester59 [4d\]: 1p means 1 pound 
ThiGar [3k\]: lol chester
penilator: 1 pound of what?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: flax
ligo [4k\]: is there game tonight?
weakl: 1lb is 1 pound
Warfreak2 [4d\]: £1
weakl: ><
USGO4 [-\]: Round 2 of the 2012 US Open will begin at 9am on Monday 8/5.
Uberdude [4d?\]: thanks for the broadcasts
dsmic [-\]: 9am which time zone?
weakl: east probably
dsmic [-\]: thx
USGO2 [-\]: Thanks for watching.
Demon [3d\]: 9am est
ligo [4k\]: ing master a 7pm?
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