(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[7200]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
GN[2011 Strong Players Open - Round 3 Board 1 - Cathy Li (Chen Shuo) 1p vs GanSheng Shi 7d]PW[Cathy Li (Chen Shuo)]PB[GanSheng Shi]WR[1p]BR[7d]DT[2011-08-04]CP[American Go Association E-Journal]EV[2011 US Open]RO[3]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Solomon Smilack]C[USGO3 [-\]: Hello and welcome to the American Go Association E-Journal's continuing coverage of the 2011 US Go Congress in Santa Barbara, CA!
USGO3 [-\]: This is the third round of the 2011 Strong Players' Open Tournament, a 5-round Swiss McMahon style match.
USGO3 [-\]: Both Cathy and GanSheng are at 2 wins with 0 losses.
USGO3 [-\]: Cathy objects to the board, which seems slightly warped - it's been replaced with a better one.
USGO3 [-\]: Now the players are taking their seats.
USGO3 [-\]: My name is Solomon Smilack, I'll be your game recorder today. Feel free to ask questions that you have.
]RE[B+7.50]
;B[pc]
;W[qp]
;B[cd]
;W[dp]
;B[qe]
;W[ed]
;B[ec]
;W[fc]
;B[dc]C[USGO3 [-\]: The players actually have 90 minutes of basic time each, with 5 periods of 1minute byo-yomi.
]
;W[gd]
;B[cf]
;W[kc]
;B[mc]C[USGO3 [-\]: Cathy is dressed elegantly, as usual, with a purple/gray/black blouse and a pendant necklace, her hair up.
USGO3 [-\]: She considered L15 for a long time now.
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;W[op]C[USGO3 [-\]: GanShengs legs are bouncing - he seems very caffeinated.
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;B[qk]
;W[ke]
;B[mq]
;W[nq]C[Blakharaz [2d\]: this may be a stupid question... but why is there no game pro vs pro?
USGO3 [-\]: It's just a matter of who is registered for the tournament.
Blakharaz [2d\]: so it's possible for later pairings?
USGO3 [-\]: On the 2nd board the other undefeated players are playing - if Mingming Yin 1p wins that game and Cathy wins this game then the 4th round will see them playing each other.
Blakharaz [2d\]: nice :) thank you
USGO3 [-\]: You can see the current results for this tournament in the crosstabs: http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/142
Blakharaz [2d\]: ah great
USGO3 [-\]: Many with downloadable .sgf files of the game records.
]
;B[fq]
;W[ip]
;B[dn]C[Blakharaz [2d\]: that's good to know... I couldn't see all games
]
;W[fp]
;B[gp]
;W[fo]
;B[cq]
;W[eq]
;B[cp]C[USGO3 [-\]: Many of the games, especially in the US Open and NAMT, will have professinoal commentaries.
]
;W[fr]C[USGO3 [-\]: You can see the full list of tournaments at http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/
USGO3 [-\]: Now that this corner joseki is settled, where is black's next move?
Selere [12k\]: its settled? 0_o
USGO3 [-\]: Well black took the corner and white  took the bottom, yes. The f3 and g4 stones aren't going anywhere soon.
DarkScythe [3d\]: d8 a big point for b?
Selere [12k\]: hmm. if i had to guess... something to help r9 stone
Selere [12k\]: it seems weak
Selere [12k\]: then again im only 12k :P
]
;B[mp]C[epion003 [?\]: i know im still rooking but got to luv the way usgo commentators interact
epion003 [?\]: cant spell either
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;W[kq]
;B[pq]C[USGO3 [-\]: Thanks ^_^
Selere [12k\]: why are some of these games 60 minutes to 90 to 120?
Selere [12k\]: Is it determined by the players?
USGO3 [-\]: Typos, probably.
Selere [12k\]: So what is it actually?
USGO3 [-\]: The US Open gives the top players 2hours basic time and 5 periods of 30second byo-yomi.
Selere [12k\]: goodness
USGO3 [-\]: The NAMT and Strong Players' Open both give 90minutes basic time and 5 periods of 1minute byo-yomi.
USGO3 [-\]: Curiously enough, the NAMT games oftten run longer, as the players tend to take most of their basic time and to finish the game 1minute per move taking most of the full minute every time.
USGO3 [-\]: Not always, but sometimes.
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;W[nr]
;B[kp]
;W[jp]C[USGO3 [-\]: GanSheng thought about that move for a very long time and Cathy responded very quickly.
cugel [1k\]: this b group looks in trouble
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;B[kr]
;W[ko]
;B[pp]
;W[po]
;B[oo]C[USGO3 [-\]: Will black give up a lot of stones to make life in the corner?
]
;W[qq]C[USGO3 [-\]: I guess not x.X
]
;B[pr]C[Selere [12k\]: hehe
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;W[mr]
;B[qr]C[Novalys [1d\]: headache already
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;W[pn]
;B[qo]
;W[ro]
;B[np]
;W[oq]
;B[lq]
;W[on]C[cugel [1k\]: bad group b
cugel [1k\]: cut losses
cugel [1k\]: u have gote life
cugel [1k\]: :-(
]
;B[no]
;W[rr]
;B[jq]
;W[lo]
;B[rs]C[USGO3 [-\]: GanSheng slapped this one down confidently.
USGO3 [-\]: Who wins this capturing race?
koram [7d\]: p1..and that's it
maynerd [9d\]: s3 p1
maynerd [9d\]: b + resign
ciuica [2d\]: ?
USGO3 [-\]: GanSheng has had his head in his hands for the last half hour, and now he's leaning back and surveying the rest of the board confidently.
]
;W[sr]C[Selere [12k\]: i find it really annoying when people call the game less then 100 moves in -.-
]
;B[rq]
;W[rp]
;B[os]
;W[cl]C[secureid [7k\]: u are ddk and the other is 9d
Selere [12k\]: What does that have to do with anything?
]
;B[cn]C[secureid [7k\]: go figure
Selere [12k\]: Saying anyone is going to resign is an insult to their playing ability. expecially this early
USGO3 [-\]: I assume the white tenuki means that black wins the capturing race.
]
;W[qi]C[secureid [7k\]: did w sigh somehow? :)
USGO3 [-\]: black's sacrificed stones at s3 and r5 are workingi super hard.
]
;B[fe]
;W[fd]C[USGO3 [-\]: No it doesn't look like Cathy has given up hope.
secureid [7k\]: :)
]
;B[ol]
;W[nn]
;B[oj]
;W[qf]
;B[oh]
;W[pf]
;B[re]
;W[oc]C[acn [1d\]: P16
]
;B[nf]C[acn [1d\]: much better
USGO3 [-\]: There's the sigh from Cathy.
josek [6k\]: Feng Yun 9p moves around and watches the game
USGO3 [-\]: It's true. Bill Lin and Curtis Tang also looked it over.
USGO3 [-\]: I played Feng Yun's daughter this morning. We had a good game.
]
;W[ne]C[Selere [12k\]: i couldnt imagine being born into a go-playing family
Selere [12k\]: on a professional level i mean
]
;B[od]
;W[oe]
;B[nd]
;W[ni]C[acn [1d\]: I am feeling w's eyes are full of tears ...
]
;B[oi]C[acn [1d\]: b has N15
]
;W[mf]C[acn [1d\]: it's gone now..
]
;B[of]
;W[pe]
;B[me]
;W[pd]
;B[qc]C[acn [1d\]: sigh, over
secureid [7k\]: r14 looks dead
acn [1d\]: usgo3, is w crying now?..
DiPerson [7k\]: m 15
USGO3 [-\]: No tears yet but she does seem disappointed.
acn [1d\]: her heart is crying..
acn [1d\]: b is so brutal..
acn [1d\]: who is GanShengShi?
Tsuijin [2d\]: i think he was in the senior youth division
Tsuijin [2d\]: or am I wrong?
USGO3 [-\]: on KGS I think he is stone33
]
;W[qd]
;B[rd]
;W[nc]
;B[md]
;W[mb]
;B[lb]
;W[ob]C[acn [1d\]: no use
acn [1d\]: O19
USGO3 [-\]: Yes that's right. He played best 2-of-3 games against Calvin Sun but lost both games.
]
;B[pg]C[USGO3 [-\]: The first two games, I mean.
]
;W[qg]
;B[pb]C[USGO3 [-\]: You can find those .sgf files here http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/132
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;W[pa]C[acn [1d\]: what's going on?
USGO3 [-\]: looks like white's next move is atari at s17 that way
USGO3 [-\]: :(
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;B[rb]
;W[le]C[acn [1d\]: no ko if o19?
secureid [7k\]: ko
]
;B[ma]
;W[na]
;B[nb]
;W[ng]
;B[og]
;W[mb]
;B[mg]
;W[lf]
;B[nb]C[USGO3 [-\]: how many threats does white have in the lower right?
]
;W[qs]C[acn [1d\]: actually b failed in fighting upper side
]
;B[lr]C[acn [1d\]: O19 earlier could avoid ko, does anyone agree?
]
;W[mb]C[USGO3 [-\]: I don't think black has time - m17 is atari then?
LionHR [1k\]: white has a lot of ko threat
acn [1d\]: I mean when w played P18
Hard2Kill [1d\]: o19 instead of q19, acn?
acn [1d\]: yes, O19
Hard2Kill [1d\]: q18*
LionHR [1k\]: ??
acn [1d\]: w will get either  of upper or lower part
LionHR [1k\]: white kill
Hard2Kill [1d\]: ya i see b o19 instead of q18 looks good at first read, i don't care enough to look further
acn [1d\]: b should avoid ko at that time, o19 is the only way to avoid ko
]
;B[qn]C[USGO3 [-\]: no time for o19
LionHR [1k\]: no
LionHR [1k\]: he right
LionHR [1k\]: O19 better
LionHR [1k\]: m19
LionHR [1k\]: bigger i think
]
;W[qm]
;B[nb]
;W[ss]
;B[ms]
;W[mb]
;B[rn]C[Hard2Kill [1d\]: i read after w S17 sequence w can escape at top, but N16 survives and kills R13 but who knows really
]
;W[rm]
;B[nb]
;W[or]
;B[ns]
;W[mb]
;B[la]C[Hard2Kill [1d\]: ko not so bad for b anyways
RedFox [1k\]: ?
]
;W[rk]C[acn [1d\]: b's P10 group is hard to kill, very hard
LionHR [1k\]: more than 5 liberties is stable group
]
;B[qj]
;W[rj]
;B[qh]
;W[rh]C[LionHR [1k\]: and now P10 has 1 eye
]
;B[pi]
;W[ph]
;B[mi]C[acn [1d\]: w M17 now?
]
;W[dd]
;B[cc]
;W[mj]
;B[qh]C[Levity [2d\]: woah it's cathy li.
acn [1d\]: who is cathy Li?
]
;W[lc]
;B[nb]
;W[ph]
;B[oa]
;W[mh]
;B[qh]
;W[ri]
;B[rg]
;W[ph]
;B[li]
;W[nh]
;B[qh]C[USGO3 [-\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?cathyli
]
;W[bn]
;B[rf]
;W[bo]
;B[bp]
;W[co]C[acn [1d\]: technically if a pro go player stops playing in a professional way,  he/she becomes an amateur go player
]
;B[br]
;W[dr]
;B[aq]
;W[dg]C[acn [1d\]: so we should say cathy li is an amateur go player, she stopped a prof life for 16 years...
acn [1d\]: anyone agree?
]
;B[df]
;W[ef]
;B[eg]
;W[cg]C[acn [1d\]: plus b is a young boy with strong muscle..
]
;B[bg]C[USGO3 [-\]: Well she still has a rating of 8.5
USGO3 [-\]: and the center of the board is fairly cosmic now.
]
;W[eh]
;B[fg]
;W[ce]
;B[be]
;W[de]
;B[bf]
;W[ff]
;B[bm]
;W[cm]
;B[gf]
;W[ee]
;B[ck]
;W[dk]C[USGO3 [-\]: It seems like black is aiming at d12
mulan8 [1d\]: d10 
]
;B[dj]C[mulan8 [1d\]: good
USGO3 [-\]: Yongfei Ge sneezes very loudly.
USGO3 [-\]: fyi
]
;W[bk]C[USGO3 [-\]: will Gansheng take d12 now?
mulan8 [1d\]: c10
mulan8 [1d\]: not d12 yet
mulan8 [1d\]: c10 is aiming at d8
cugel [1k\]: great looking w
golgo13 [8k\]: game stopped?
Tsuijin [2d\]: no just time stopped
USGO3 [-\]: Black is thinking - he has 18 minutes of basic time left.
Longshi [-\]: hard to evaluate this
Longshi [-\]: seems not bad for white
xevad [3k\]: good luck William
]
;B[dh]C[golgo13 [8k\]: only opening for b seems at around m8
]
;W[ch]
;B[ci]
;W[di]
;B[bh]C[Tsuijin [2d\]: uh oh
]
;W[dh]C[Bilapidate [1k\]: B 010 to start invasion on right?
USGO3 [-\]: It looks like black pushes out into the center easily here.
Kantarella [6k\]: my money on b
mulan8 [1d\]: b will win
kcharris12 [1k\]: f12 and b wins..
]
;B[cj]
;W[fh]C[yoon [5k\]: poor w
]
;B[ek]C[Tsuijin [2d\]: not much white can do about this
kcharris12 [1k\]: d8 d8 b8 f10
xevad [3k\]: Shi in top form today I see
]
;W[fj]
;B[dl]
;W[bl]C[kcharris12 [1k\]: g8 seems biggest
Diabolus [3k\]: and w cry ? 
]
;B[gl]C[Bilapidate [1k\]: O10
RedFox [1k\]: H9
]
;W[gk]
;B[hl]
;W[hk]C[fairgo1 [3d\]: How much time is remaining for both players?
jojongss: ming won?
USGO3 [-\]: Blaack's clock just sounded the 10minute basic time mark. In Chinese.
icewater [2d?\]: Ming lost
jojongss: xD
jojongss: for a 7d?
FlameBlade [-\]: Mingming?  lost this morning, but didn't lose tonight
fairgo1 [3d\]: Ming lost to Bill Lin? 0.o
USGO1 [-\]: are we asking about Mingming? or Mingjiu?
jojongss: i mean ming j
Bilapidate [1k\]: He lost
jojongss: yea mingjiu
Bilapidate [1k\]: To Tang
jojongss: oh Mingjiu lost :(
fairgo1 [3d\]: Wait did Mingming win?
FlameBlade [-\]: yes
Diabolus [3k\]:  m12
fairgo1 [3d\]: mmk
]
;B[il]
;W[ik]C[gluiwiya [4k\]: l9
]
;B[dm]C[rayheart [3d?\]: big
Diabolus [3k\]: but gote 
dencarl [3k\]: black had to connect g8 stones anyway
]
;W[cr]C[USGO3 [-\]: Black down to his last 5 minutes of basic time.
blob [5k\]: just play b1? ._.
dencarl [3k\]: 16 ponts gote
USGO3 [-\]: Is o10 bigger?
dencarl [3k\]: but keeps dream of d5, g3 alive
Diabolus [3k\]: m12 work ? 
Bilapidate [1k\]: M12 not work; W reply O10
dencarl [3k\]: o10 sente. then b1
USGO3 [-\]: Gansheng seems to be reading that out now.
Hernee [2d\]: ?
farmer [4d\]: m12
Hernee [2d\]: What's going on
Hernee [2d\]: This board looks like 20k play
Bilapidate [1k\]: O10 is bigger than B1?
]
;B[nj]
;W[lh]
;B[kh]
;W[lg]
;B[ki]C[Hernee [2d\]: Stones are in clumps and almost 40 captures this far
icewater [2d?\]: its the scorched earth technique of playing
]
;W[mk]
;B[kk]C[Hernee [2d\]: Like, B is ahead by around 30 points, right?
Bilapidate [1k\]: Depends on if those 4 stones live
icewater [2d?\]: i think only 10ish
brucemcw [?\]: tough for w
ErrorProne [1k?\]: 30 points sounds more like it to me.
icewater [2d?\]: well if these black stones live then its over
Hernee [2d\]: Those stones live
]
;W[kj]C[Mongoose11 [8k\]: shwah
farmer [4d\]: w resign soon
Mongoose11 [8k\]: either a hopeless flail or a tesuji fo the win
Kantarella [6k\]: cool if this move wins the game
]
;B[lj]C[Diabolus [3k\]: m9?
icewater [2d?\]: if m9 then black L8 and black lives
Hernee [2d\]: n8 rather
Hernee [2d\]: for B. I think n8 would've been the best
farmer [4d\]: no moves for white
acn [1d\]: b can be L8
]
;W[lk]
;B[kl]
;W[jj]C[RobertT [-\]: n8 bad
acn [1d\]: ah
Diabolus [3k\]: n8 now
farmer [4d\]: what?
sankojingz [1k\]: o8
acn [1d\]: actually w is not bad
Hernee [2d\]: o8 is very very bad
Celerity [3d\]: squeeze
icewater [2d?\]: have to n8 ;)
RobertT [-\]: w is trying to protect g13 weakness in sente to play b1
]
;B[ml]
;W[jh]
;B[bs]
;W[ji]C[choai [3d\]: /-/
Diabolus [3k\]: lol
xevad [3k\]: heh
]
;B[do]C[havchik [10k\]: ????
]
;W[am]C[Kantarella [6k\]: huh
Bilapidate [1k\]: ???
icewater [2d?\]: that was pretty cool
RobertT [-\]: b1 was bigger
farmer [4d\]: center is bigger
Kantarella [6k\]: w won
USGO3 [-\]: Black is in byo-yomi time now.
icewater [2d?\]: the value of center got smaller
]
;B[gq]C[Kantarella [6k\]: eh no
dencarl [3k\]: now n6 is intereseting
Hernee [2d\]: W J3 now?
RobertT [-\]: b1 is 20 points center is about 16-18
chayashida [?\]: setting up the cut?
choai [3d\]: L8 and n8 aji for this
choai [3d\]: '__'
]
;W[gr]C[Diabolus [3k\]: g3 seems wonder O: !
Kantarella [6k\]: I forgot b saved the corner
Hernee [2d\]: B J3 now
Bilapidate [1k\]: Why B fighting?  Didn't he have easy win with center kill?
]
;B[ll]
;W[kg]C[ggcool [3k\]: o9 first\\
icewater [2d?\]: j3 is pretty good
]
;B[iq]C[icewater [2d?\]: o9 not important
]
;W[hq]
;B[hp]C[acn [1d\]: w is happy now
]
;W[ho]
;B[hr]
;W[go]
;B[hq]C[choai [3d\]: i dont; think so
icewater [2d?\]: yeah white has like no territory with bottom group - very sad
Mitvailer [2k\]: white wanna kill J8 stones I think
shusai [4k\]: w is happy
RobertT [-\]: snill need to defend bottom
shusai [4k\]: game is almost over
shusai [4k\]: :)
RobertT [-\]: still*
brucemcw [?\]: still dificult for w
icewater [2d?\]: plus white group is not even alive yet
]
;W[in]C[NotTengen [3k\]: n6 work?
Kantarella [6k\]: now is
icewater [2d?\]: still not alive
dencarl [3k\]: d3
RobertT [-\]: n6 dame
]
;B[jo]
;W[io]C[Kantarella [6k\]: ok
acn [1d\]: no
]
;B[kn]C[brucemcw [?\]: poor w
choai [3d\]: lol
Hernee [2d\]: Very nice eye-removing tesuji
icewater [2d?\]: looking more and more like dead
Tsuijin [2d\]: is white dead?
USGO3 [-\]: Both players in byo-yomi time now.
Hernee [2d\]: White looks dead
brucemcw [?\]: yes
dagec [7d\]: k7
farmer [4d\]: m6
RobertT [-\]: k7 
farmer [4d\]: cant not kill
brooklyn [3d\]: w wrecked
Hernee [2d\]: B+res
acn [1d\]: k7 works
ggcool [3k\]: M6
DrSnowman [19k\]: How much is the byo-yomi?
Hernee [2d\]: Amateur crushed professional second time this round
USGO3 [-\]: 5 periods of 1 minute 
ggcool [3k\]: M6
DrSnowman [19k\]: Thank you.
RobertT [-\]: k7 looks to live
ggcool [3k\]: M6-K6-K7
USGO3 [-\]: Crushed may be an overstatement - I think only about 10 points?
Bilapidate [1k\]: What follows K7?
dencarl [3k\]: if black blocks, w n6?
USGO3 [-\]: After having lost a capturing race and two ko fights, I think it's pretty astounding that white has kept it so close.
blob [5k\]: b has k9, no?
]
;W[ln]C[dencarl [3k\]: after k9, f8?
dagec [7d\]: that works too i think
RobertT [-\]: l7 
terrorist [3k\]: k7 easy kill right
Diabolus [3k\]: w dead 
terrorist [3k\]: oops nm
acn [1d\]: dagec, are you in the congress?
blob [5k\]: the congress, he is in it
mulan8 [1d\]: L7
dagec [7d\]: dont ask
dagec [7d\]: i just lost, im in bad mood
USGO3 [-\]: (he is)
acn [1d\]: oops..
]
;B[km]
;W[jn]
;B[ib]
;W[jb]C[RobertT [-\]: white lives
goahead [?\]: white is not alive yet
]
;B[gb]
;W[fb]
;B[ja]
;W[ic]C[dagec [7d\]: I actually think w has a good amount of territory
]
;B[hc]
;W[hd]C[RobertT [-\]: black cant n6 cut
acn [1d\]: please count
RobertT [-\]: if he does white exploits k8 cut and f8 cut to live
]
;B[eb]C[davidchen [8k\]: why cant cut
]
;W[gc]C[acn [1d\]: becaue  w ca F8
choai [3d\]: b lead more than 10 points?
]
;B[hb]
;W[ga]C[davidchen [8k\]: hmm..
dagec [7d\]: b +10-15 without komi
]
;B[kb]
;W[jc]
;B[ia]C[choai [3d\]: oh
blob [5k\]: nice reduction
dencarl [3k\]: f8, f7 ok?
dagec [7d\]: i mean 10 to 15...
]
;W[bj]
;B[bi]
;W[ao]
;B[ap]
;W[nk]
;B[nl]C[RobertT [-\]: now need to defend
mulan8 [1d\]: n6 cut will work now
Hernee [2d\]: o9 smells like kyu
kejitsuu [8k\]: q9
terrorist [3k\]: n6 cut looks great now
terrorist [3k\]: but pro must have plan
Hernee [2d\]: It works now
dencarl [3k\]: k8 no longer works?
mulan8 [1d\]: w has to connect n6
Hernee [2d\]: pro plan: defend in gote
]
;W[fm]C[FlameBlade [-\]: probably squeeze for some more points.
FlameBlade [-\]: then defend.
RobertT [-\]: ya now whites k8 tesuji no longer works for white because o8 fixed shortage of libs
farmer [4d\]: r8
mulan8 [1d\]: g7
]
;B[ok]C[dencarl [3k\]: declaration of victory?
Bilapidate [1k\]: B+10?
dencarl [3k\]: doesn't need kill
Hernee [2d\]: P9 simply good move
Bilapidate [1k\]: Rich men don't pick fights
Diabolus [3k\]: w res?
acn [1d\]: my count b 69 vs w 61
]
;W[fl]
;B[gm]C[dencarl [3k\]: e5 miai?
terrorist [3k\]: lol
RobertT [-\]: oops...
]
;W[gn]
;B[ql]
;W[rl]
;B[ea]
;W[fa]
;B[ld]
;W[kd]
;B[ej]C[Diabolus [3k\]: is alive jet 
]
;W[ei]
;B[cs]C[acn [1d\]: I guess I gave w 2 more points during counting..
]
;W[fk]C[RobertT [-\]: need to connect
]
;B[ds]
;W[er]C[hade [1k\]: :S
]
;B[pm]C[Hernee [2d\]: N6
dagec [7d\]: W is far behind..
gluiwiya [4k\]: good yose b
]
;W[om]
;B[pl]
;W[mo]
;B[sh]
;W[si]
;B[sg]
;W[hs]
;B[is]
;W[gs]
;B[aj]
;W[ak]
;B[ai]C[acn [1d\]: considering w is a lady which quitted a go prof live 16 years ago, this result is acceptable..
RobertT [-\]: white cries
]
;W[lp]
;B[kq]C[Hernee [2d\]: J7 for a points
RobertT [-\]: HNG style
davidchen [8k\]: hng?
Hernee [2d\]: point*
Tsuijin [2d\]: today is just the day pros get owned
]
;W[en]C[icewater [2d?\]: B + 6.5 or 7.5
chayashida [?\]: u guys have a funny definition of "owned"
ErrorProne [1k?\]: I felt that B should have moved K10 instead of M10.  Or at least defended the M10 stones.
]
;B[el]
;W[es]
;B[eo]
;W[ep]
;B[em]C[acn [1d\]: J7
]
;W[im]
;B[jl]
;W[hm]
;B[fn]
;W[sq]
;B[en]C[davidchen [8k\]: why t3
libertygo [1d?\]: lol
Mitvailer [2k\]: cause of black q1
icewater [2d?\]: would have to eventually play t3
RobertT [-\]: because it prevents q1 ko
Hernee [2d\]: Wins S1 ko
]
;W[mm]
;B[nm]
;W[sn]
;B[lm]
;W[mn]
;B[ps]
;W[rs]
;B[ka]
;W[ha]
;B[jk]
;W[jm]
;B[dq]C[RobertT [-\]: dame points time
icewater [2d?\]: they have to pass stones when they pass
]
;W[]
;B[]
;W[]C[USGO3 [-\]: Now they are counting.
choai [3d\]: SE says b+19.5?
USGO3 [-\]: And discussing the moves at the same time (in Chinese)
chayashida [?\]: thank you USGO3
USGO3 [-\]: For a more accurate count, using AGA rules, you can view the game offline and use the Score tool.
Bilapidate [1k\]: Thanks USGO3
RobertT [-\]: seems like b+7.5
ErrorProne [1k?\]: Thank you!
USGO3 [-\]: B+ 8.5 points])
