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RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[5400]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
GN[North American Masters Round 3 Board 1 - Mingjiu Jiang 7p (w) vs Curtis Tang 7d (b)]PW[Minjiu Jiang]PB[Curtis Tang]WR[7p]BR[7d]DT[2011-08-04]EV[2011 North America Masters]RO[3]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Dennis Wheeler]C[Kramos [6k\]: when does it start please ?
USGO1 [-\]: Welcome to the AGA E-Journal's live coverage of the 2011 North American Masters tournament at the US Go Congress in Santa Barbara, CA.  This is round 3, board 1.  I'm Dennis Wheeler, your game recorder this evening
jsc [7k\]: Dennis your cool
EntBlitz [3k\]: this is going to be awesome
Kantarella [6k\]: I would q17 - aim to get upper right corner while getting moderate influence towards center
jsc [7k\]: lmao
Robert0987 [9k\]: oh yeah!
mw2a [1k\]: q17 horrible move. you are horrible at go
Kantarella [6k\]: lol
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[pd]C[RobertT [-\]: actualy q17 is bad
Kantarella [6k\]: :(
mw2a [1k\]: c? nub
Robert0987 [9k\]: q17 is horrible
TheName [21k?\]: All these people lining up to see the match that os gonna unfold!
RobertT [-\]: r16 much better
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;W[dd]C[RobertT [-\]: q17 could get you killed in most asian coutries
mw2a [1k\]: r16 is not even on the correct side of the board
docleather [18k\]: q17 is not a good first move,doesn't make a stable base.
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;B[pq]C[Lilltiger [-\]: r16 is correct
Lilltiger [-\]: side
Robert0987 [9k\]: no
Lilltiger [-\]: as people see the board the same in kgs
Robert0987 [9k\]: its the SAME THING
RobertT [-\]: yes
compendium [?\]: hope curtis can win this game
USGO1 [-\]: Curtis told me just before the game started that he plays different online than he does in person
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;W[cp]C[Kantarella [6k\]: sorry for asking the standard question but is there video somewhere?
RobertT [-\]: curtis is probably buffed up from playing zen
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;B[ep]C[GoJamesGo [7k\]: did curtis win zen^?
Glistening [9k\]: f15
RobertT [-\]: curtis won at 3 stones but couldnt win at 4
Kantarella [6k\]: h4
virtuoso [3k\]: 大 家 好
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;W[dn]C[WoolyMaCha [4k?\]: ni hao
Robert0987 [9k\]: 你好
mate105 [2d\]: what is curtis' kgs name?
Jake123 [5k\]: ni hao ma
TheName [21k?\]: lol
GoJamesGo [7k\]: jake
mw2a [1k\]: ban jake
GoJamesGo [7k\]: message
Gosu [-\]: cjheaven
Jake123 [5k\]: oh.
RobertT [-\]: cjheaven
RobertT [-\]: kgs 8d/9d player
Lilltiger [-\]: 7-8d
RobertT [-\]: he has never been kgs 7d
TheName [21k?\]: Is there a livestream of this, or is it just kgs?
Lilltiger [-\]: he hasent played enought of the other 9d to realy qualify for 9d
compendium [?\]: he is 8d
Lilltiger [-\]: i know but he stil benefits from the rating change
mw2a [1k\]: no d6, not d8
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;B[cq]
;W[bq]
;B[dq]
;W[bo]C[Lilltiger [-\]: but 9d kgs now is pro strenght and 8d is a s good as pro
Try [7k\]: Options ---> Clone game in....
mw2a [1k\]: 9d pro llike
Gosu [-\]: thus it follows that pro strength is better than as good as pro by 6 points.
Try [7k\]: View Offline
Try [7k\]: "save to Disk"
handyman [1d\]: h4 maybe?
mw2a [1k\]: h4?
Gosu [-\]: therefore pros are better than pro strength
mw2a [1k\]: odd
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;B[hq]
;W[qo]C[Lilltiger [-\]: 9d kgs are mostly pro's
RobertT [-\]: exept for the ones that arnt
mw2a [1k\]: yes, precisely
Gosu [-\]: yes, also 68% of kgs statistics are as made up as general statistics.
Try [7k\]: yea
Try [7k\]: 94% are made up on the spot!
mw2a [1k\]: i wish people would stop saying that. it's so old
USGO1 [-\]: Curtis leans in to get a closer look at that corner
Gosu [-\]: maybe you could let him view it on the screen
jsc [7k\]: lol
okiol [5k\]: +1, mw
handyman [1d\]: r9?
compendium [?\]: q7
mw2a [1k\]: is this reddit?
Lilltiger [-\]: he never seen this move before!
Lilltiger [-\]: ;D
jsc [7k\]: this is 4chin
wormside [9k\]: p5
Gosu [-\]: mingjiu and his weird new age style!
jsc [7k\]: p4444
RobertT [-\]: well black is already ahead. so far so good
GoJamesGo [7k\]: he went first
Kantarella [6k\]: but w went last
wormside [9k\]: d5 is good
Try [7k\]: how do u know?
compendium [?\]: new age?
Try [7k\]: u werent here!
MoonCrash [3k\]: i count white ahead by 44.5
Mysto [?\]: W is also just playing strong groups so far lol
Try [7k\]: there*
jsc [7k\]: how different are these players in strenth?
Try [7k\]: 7p vs 7d
compendium [?\]: 1 letter
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu gets up from the table
Gosu [-\]: about 60mph
Nano [2k\]: lol
jsc [7k\]: idk how it goes over
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;B[pm]C[Nano [2k\]: about 88 mph
GoJamesGo [7k\]: 7p is stronger than 7d
Gosu [-\]: it's closer to 60
Try [7k\]: jiang can bench about 50 more pounds than opponent
GoJamesGo [7k\]: lol
jsc [7k\]: lol
Tsuijin [2d\]: imo curtis could win this
Lilltiger [-\]: he can
Tsuijin [2d\]: didn't he like train in china?
compendium [?\]: of course he can 
Nano [2k\]: Ming Jiu is about OVER 9000 times better than his opponent
Try [7k\]: but 7p trained in Korea
Try [7k\]: muahaha
Try [7k\]: nuff said
Tsuijin [2d\]: 7p never trained in korea
Lilltiger [-\]: ming is likly to win, but curtis can beat him for sure
Try [7k\]: i know >:(
mw2a [1k\]: jiang is not korean name
Glistening [9k\]: p3
Try [7k\]: i lied to sound cool
Try [7k\]: =\\
Tsuijin [2d\]: =)
RobertT [-\]: white is rated 9.6 black is rated 8.5
jsc [7k\]: i do that all the time
Jake123 [5k\]: thats my last name lol
RobertT [-\]: so only about 1 rank difference
Try [7k\]: rated?
mw2a [1k\]: your last name is 123
Jake123 [5k\]: naa
jsc [7k\]: ok thx
Try [7k\]: how do they receive ratings?
Jake123 [5k\]: its a username
Try [7k\]: arent ranks the only measurement?
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;W[oo]C[mw2a [1k\]: oic
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;B[np]
;W[pk]C[Jake123 [5k\]: ..
wormside [9k\]: oops
okiol [5k\]: now they're throwing stones at the table
GoJamesGo [7k\]: is this joseki^?
hippocamp [3k\]: q9 quite common 7p mistake
wormside [9k\]: o7
Kantarella [6k\]: b taken by surprise
Tsuijin [2d\]: q9 is a nice step since bottom is very black
mw2a [1k\]: yes this is joseki
mw2a [1k\]: common strategy, too
GoJamesGo [7k\]: what is this joseki called
mw2a [1k\]: pince pincer
RobertT [-\]: AGA doesnt have ranks, it uses ratings that have no set translation to ranks. white is aga 9.62850    black is aga 8.48948
Gosu [-\]: i see mingjiu go for territory every game
mw2a [1k\]: do josekis have names? i name this one bob you can name others
Try [7k\]: well hold on now
TheName [21k?\]: Haha
GoJamesGo [7k\]: yes they do
Try [7k\]: i went to an AGA tourny
Try [7k\]: and they asked for my RANK
Try [7k\]: not rating
jsc [7k\]: lets call it the q3 o4 p5 r5 q7 q9 joseki
Gosu [-\]: they need a starting value
Try [7k\]: ?
Gosu [-\]: to pair you
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;B[rm]C[mw2a [1k\]: very ugly name, jsc
wormside [9k\]: q7 then o7
GoJamesGo [7k\]: i don't get why people always use bob
Try [7k\]: oh ok
Gosu [-\]: because robert is too long
Nano [2k\]: That is not the move I would have guessed for black
Try [7k\]: so possibly i left that tourny with a 'rating' then?
lakidazkal [8k\]: you mean bobert
RobertT [-\]: yes usualy its translated at 1 for 1 but then how does it translate after 7 rating since aga doesnt give anything above 7d players ratings go up to 10
needs [6k\]: s7 joseki ?
wormside [9k\]: hard to survive
USGO1 [-\]: AGA rank and rating are interchangable, but caps at amateur 7d
TheName [21k?\]: I think that r7 wil no matter what connect, but this is only 21k observation...
appleseeds [3k?\]: needs: yes
Try [7k\]: ok, thanks
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;W[om]
;B[pn]
;W[op]C[needs [6k\]: ok
RobertT [-\]: so usualy anyone rated as 7 - 10 is just given a 7d rank but it doesnt really work well that way....
Try [7k\]: i see
mw2a [1k\]: s7 was okay because b is strong everywhere
jsc [7k\]: p4 good
USGO1 [-\]: Usually anyone over 7d are playing even games anyway
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;B[oq]
;W[on]C[Gosu [-\]: do the lower dan players play handicap?
Try [7k\]: and with the decimals.... take two hypothetical 7kyus for example.... one rated 7.15 is not as good as the 7.9 right?
okiol [5k\]: who cares about handicap, it's all about the status
jsc [7k\]: depends on opponent i assume
Try [7k\]: so its a more precise measurement, then
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;B[qp]
;W[ro]C[okiol [5k\]: lower number on kyu is stronger, try
Try [7k\]: oops
Diabolus [3k\]: cut ._. 
USGO1 [-\]: I'm not sure at what level the handicap is given between ranks
RobertT [-\]: what gets really funny is rating near 1k and 1d since a rating of 1 and rating of -1 is exactly the same rating
choai [3d\]: w wants b cut
wormside [9k\]: q5
compendium [?\]: when curtis was young, he learned a lot of joseki 
Monocle [3k\]: looks like P5 wasn't joseki, by the way
Kantarella [6k\]: edogo says p6 at s4
RobertT [-\]: since theres no 0k or -0d aga -1.1 is .2 better then aga 1.1
Monocle [3k\]: yep
RobertT [-\]: or other way around, .2 worse
Diabolus [3k\]: b can cut 
Monocle [3k\]: I meant p6
jsc [7k\]: i feel dumb reading roberts sentences ;_;
Gosu [-\]: that's so stupid. just let the rating go from 0 to 50 or something
mw2a [1k\]: b can also quack like a duck. doesn't mean he should
Gosu [-\]: or i guess a max is not necessary
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;B[pl]
;W[ol]
;B[qk]C[choai [3d\]: yeah
okiol [5k\]: oh, he definately should do that!
choai [3d\]: w will happy if b q5
USGO1 [-\]: both players continue to stare intently at that corner/side
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;W[qj]
;B[rk]C[gepay [2k\]: why is that?
wormside [9k\]: may s5
RobertT [-\]: usgo1, you should write a novel about this minjiu jiang vs curtis tang game
Try [7k\]: i would be looking at the clock, like "whens lunch?"!
Anskiere [12k?\]: corners are like small children.  If you don't watch them carefully they might wander off. 
mw2a [1k\]: is 7pm lunch is over
USGO1 [-\]: Curtis gets up from the table
Try [7k\]: and throws a chair in anger
RobertT [-\]: bad try! urgent before big, big before yose, yose before food!
Kantarella [6k\]: off to find a lost corner
Monocle [3k\]: what is white's response to the cut at q5? I'm not quite seeing it
Try [7k\]: lol
TheClown [2d\]: o3 now?
Try [7k\]: q4 
okiol [5k\]: google joseki and find out...
Diabolus [3k\]: o3 nothing 
cugel [1k\]: mingjiu master !!!!
jsc [7k\]: q5 q4 s3 doesnt work?
Gosu [-\]: link to the tournament table?
Monocle [3k\]: I mean, what after q4?
Glistening [9k\]: mingjiu you gotta connect bro
evanj [3d\]: could exchange
TheClown [2d\]: q5 seems only move
Glistening [9k\]: but bro, that's kinda weak
mw2a [1k\]: q10 must
jsc [7k\]: lol glistening
Diabolus [3k\]: p 10 w ? 
Ritm [10k\]: p10 seems better...
wormside [9k\]: no q10
Glistening [9k\]: not with those forcing moves
jsc [7k\]: q10 better...
Gosu [-\]: he could r8 for example
whuang [2k\]: Holy diabolical,curtis vs Minjiu
Glistening [9k\]: q5 is the move heeyah
cugel [1k\]: too good for w
Ritm [10k\]: with q5 b gets strong in two sides
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;W[oj]C[TheClown [2d\]: q5 cost too much
Ritm [10k\]: YAY!
mw2a [1k\]: w q5 then b q10 
cugel [1k\]: outside is important
Glistening [9k\]: oooooooooooooooooooooooo
whuang [2k\]: this situation is too good for white?
Kantarella [6k\]: ritm is the winner
cugel [1k\]: yeah
cugel [1k\]: excellent for w
USGO1 [-\]: Curtis returns
Monocle [3k\]: looks to me like white lost track of the joseki and is sad now
xDragon [-\]: ritm just agreed with a guy who said p10
Gosu [-\]: just in time
jsc [7k\]: minjiu made a missclick
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;B[pi]
;W[pj]C[Try [7k\]: lol
]
;B[po]
;W[nc]C[cugel [1k\]: Mingjiu creative
whuang [2k\]: yes
Novalys [1d\]: w very thick
cugel [1k\]: he does not need joseki dictionary ^^
whuang [2k\]: he was gonna be my go camp teacher.
Gosu [-\]: somewhat thick but still b seems better
mw2a [1k\]: there is no missclick irl. only mrsclick
cugel [1k\]: lucky
Try [7k\]: mingjiu creates new josekis ona  daily basis
Monocle [3k\]: it's just so much territory for black!
Try [7k\]: -.-
cugel [1k\]: i wish mingjiu be my sensei
jsc [7k\]: thats the joke mw2
xDragon [-\]: they read, not mindless play joseki like most of us do
Tsuijin [2d\]: hard for black to ever allow ko now =)
jsc [7k\]: i dont know any joseki so i cant play them :P
mw2a [1k\]: i don't care about your joke. was making my own
joenosai [5k\]: mindless lol
Wiggum [5k\]: I'd be happy as black... but 5kyu can't use thickness anyway lol
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Black probably better, but white's influence will be used to the utmost I can assure you.
RobertT [-\]: how can you mindlessly play joseki when any given situation could have a hundred joseki to choose from?
cugel [1k\]: yeah mindless is accurate description
SunnyD [2d\]: mw2a, please no joke here
Try [7k\]: not true
Try [7k\]: 5k power
Try [7k\]: ful
jsc [7k\]: black need to kick
BobWhoosta [1k\]: RobertT, I've seen mindless joseki, we all have...
BobWhoosta [1k\]: It's the perfectly equal local result in the entirely wrong direction.
cugel [1k\]: many play same joseki by default
Ritm [10k\]: kick then w presures frombelow
handyman [1d\]: d11
TheClown [2d\]: r13
Kantarella [6k\]: what does it mean to kick?
cugel [1k\]: Q16 is not so happy
Try [7k\]: upper right black stones seem lonely :_(
joenosai [5k\]: I have no mindless joseki to use cause I can't remember any joseki to use lol
mw2a [1k\]: p17 is kick
RobertT [-\]: kick is a diagonal attachment to a single stone
Try [7k\]: stop smokin that wacky tobacky then
lilomar [8k\]: m16
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Black could R11 here?
cugel [1k\]: kick is very bad here
Kantarella [6k\]: aha, in that case I like to kick
USGO1 [-\]: Curtis allows himself to be distracted by the noises in the room and looks around briefly
xDragon [-\]: bs b too weak to pincer?
RobertT [-\]: kick is usualy only done when a pincer stone is in play or an exstension stone is in place
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Yeah, pincer is just bad here.
Dai10 [8k\]: +1 #Team ADD
Tsuijin [2d\]: o no Curtis is in "prey" mode!
cugel [1k\]: kick is a common example of mindless joseki :)
Monocle [3k\]: I'd like a tenuki here, I guess
gepay [2k\]: even can see kick is bad in this situation
TheClown [2d\]: black looks good
joenosai [5k\]: were being too loud USGO?
whuang [2k\]: guys
RobertT [-\]: because kick joseki is bad for the player kicking localy so he must have support to do it
TheClown [2d\]: pincer might be dangerous
whuang [2k\]: its still opening
compendium [?\]: b must pincer
Dai10 [8k\]: dai10 plays b k10 here.
whuang [2k\]: ?
TheClown [2d\]: i r13
BobWhoosta [1k\]: White seems to be playing whole board, it would be fun to see O15 followup.
whuang [2k\]: pincer then w o15
BobWhoosta [1k\]: THAT would be some influence!!
mw2a [1k\]: k10?!
Dai10 [8k\]: k10 ftw.
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;B[jd]C[xDragon [-\]: its annoying since it seems like he has to pincer or w is doing too well
cugel [1k\]: R13 loose
Wiggum [5k\]: oh wow
xDragon [-\]: but it hts corner at same time
Try [7k\]: =O
cugel [1k\]: this is the important point
Dai10 [8k\]: k16 i was closest.
xDragon [-\]: outside more important though
USGO1 [-\]: Curtis leans back in his chair, and Mingjiu sits up over the table now
lilomar [8k\]: meh, i had the right idea anyway
Dai10 [8k\]: curtis knows hes a baller.
cugel [1k\]: with this, b has good chance
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Whatever happens in the corner, it can be described by the single word: "severe".
cugel [1k\]: lol
cugel [1k\]: u right
RobertT [-\]: curtis: ugh what did I just do? minjiu: ehhhhh!?!?!
Try [7k\]: hehe
jsc [7k\]: lmao
cugel [1k\]: lol
BobWhoosta [1k\]: USGO, perchance can you tell us if Minjiu's eyes happen to be flickering with an inner flame??
Ritm [10k\]: jump out should be severe for black
mw2a [1k\]: curtis flips over in his chair and knocks the board off the table. mingjiu sits and stares at the blank board
xDragon [-\]: mingjiu uses telekinesis to put the board and stones where they were
RobertT [-\]: mingjiu plays his next move without the board even there
Dai10 [8k\]: dai10 plays w k10 here.
Try [7k\]: laughs
xDragon [-\]: does k10 even do anything
USGO1 [-\]: His glasses are reflecting the yellow glow of the go board in front of him
mw2a [1k\]: what does dai10 play when k10 is occupied?
gepay [2k\]: double  approach?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Or...inner flame??
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;W[pf]C[Dai10 [8k\]: dai10 attempts to capture k10 group
appleseeds [3k?\]: like that picture from a couple of years ago
cugel [1k\]: must move
RobertT [-\]: *puts hand with stone over where the board used to be and lets go of stone*
IEatDirt [12k?\]: is this real time?
xDragon [-\]: he chose my move it must be bad
cugel [1k\]: severe
mw2a [1k\]: dai10 insane
cugel [1k\]: dare P14 ?
Dai10 [8k\]: o16?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: This is great shape with Q10.
mw2a [1k\]: no. fake time
Try [7k\]: dai10????
Try [7k\]: what is this?
Dai10 [8k\]: i mean
Dai10 [8k\]: k10
Dai10 [8k\]: definitely k10
ukiyo [8k\]: is there a "pause chat" button?
jsc [7k\]: b need to kick i tell you
BobWhoosta [1k\]: O16 seems normal.
appleseeds [3k?\]: ukiyo- unfortunately, no
BobWhoosta [1k\]: jsc, kick is the easiest way to find your corner surrounded with 10 points.
Try [7k\]: no but theres a "read faster" and "pay less attention to it if you don't like it" module in your brain
cugel [1k\]: yes O16 is new theoru
Dai10 [8k\]: k10 would ACTULLY win this game.
ukiyo [8k\]: :(
gepay [2k\]: p 14?
handyman [1d\]: i would play p14
jsc [7k\]: that makes sense, i agree now
Monocle [3k\]: maybe p15
BobWhoosta [1k\]: P14 seems double edged.
Try [7k\]: is there a way to squelch/mute a specific player?
Try [7k\]: hmm...
mw2a [1k\]: cover the chat window with shaving cream and/or bubble gum
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Since white has such thickness behind Q14.
cugel [1k\]: there is
jsc [7k\]: yes try you censor
RoundTuit [2k\]: Censor
Try [7k\]: i know
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;B[of]C[Try [7k\]: im saying
Try [7k\]: thats what he should do
RobertT [-\]: woot fight
Try [7k\]: in a sarcastic and condescing way
cugel [1k\]: yeah
USGO1 [-\]: Curtis slaps that stone on the board with a loud clack
BobWhoosta [1k\]: White is going to give up a big corner for more thickness.
cugel [1k\]: old style :)
Try [7k\]: condescending*
cugel [1k\]: i like
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Then make K16 wish it had never been played.
jsc [7k\]: you bad at sarcasn try
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Can someone post the video link?
yoon [5k\]: curtis must play like me
cugel [1k\]: very good bluff move
yoon [5k\]: i slam my stones
BobWhoosta [1k\]: I want to hear the next slappy stone.
Try [7k\]: at least I try tho
Try [7k\]: <---
vegmandu [3d\]: is there video with this game?
cugel [1k\]: good move
handyman [1d\]: seems b better now?
jsc [7k\]: no video, all eurogo is offline
cugel [1k\]: b nice fight
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Maybe not vegmandu, I thought about that after I asked.
cugel [1k\]: it's long game
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Ah, thanks jsc.
cugel [1k\]: R17
IEatDirt [12k?\]: why are there games at night? I hope this is real time as it's more interesting. and also, will there be an commentary later?
xDragon [-\]: its still day in california
xDragon [-\]: technically
handyman [1d\]: w p15
Try [7k\]: this isnt live
RobertT [-\]: *chants "cut"*
WuHoUnited [1k\]: why's it more interesting live?
Monocle [3k\]: I like p15 too
WuHoUnited [1k\]: you would be unable to tell the difference
wormside [9k\]: p 15
BobWhoosta [1k\]: P15 is my choice.
Monocle [3k\]: we all agree!
IEatDirt [12k?\]: cuz i can imagin all the players playing. hehe. 
Monocle [3k\]: how nice
humanoid [5k\]: p13 says I
noobienoob [3k\]: sabo
BobWhoosta [1k\]: So mingjiu should avoid it with every bone in his pro little fingers...
xDragon [-\]: i choose you pickachu
cugel [1k\]: i don't like
USGO1 [-\]: we're starting to feel the cool air from the A/C as the sun is setting behind the buildings beside us
NotTengen [3k\]: i say p16
Riitoken [16k\]: J17
noobienoob [3k\]: lol usgo1
WuHoUnited [1k\]: oh, we got the poetic USGO
Kantarella [6k\]: p13
jsc [7k\]: everyone needs to go outside.
cugel [1k\]: but it's a move i could play
noobienoob [3k\]: great commentary
lilomar [8k\]: without video, i have a hard time believing it's a real game. I imagine Dennis, Curtis, and Minjiu all hovering around a laptop. "what? you're going to tell them I played that? hahah!"
noobienoob [3k\]: usgo1 is a great commentator :D
mw2a [1k\]: the iron curtains will soon close over the windows to protect the players for the robotic bats that plague california nights
BobWhoosta [1k\]: USGO1 is doing an excellent job.
Try [7k\]: no, gangs plague cali
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu shifts in his chair from one side to the other while studying the board
Try [7k\]: yuck
gepay [2k\]: I don't think they're ready yet mw
xDragon [-\]: b played zen giving it 3 and 4 stones yesterday. lost both
RobertT [-\]: now if only usgo1 could comment on the game in form of haiku
Try [7k\]: haha
Dai10 [8k\]: I watch in excitement as USGO1 describes the match in great detail
BLikeWater [3d\]: stream link pls
BobWhoosta [1k\]: He has been RobertT, count the syllables.
cugel [1k\]: cut i like b
BobWhoosta [1k\]: No stream BLike.
BLikeWater [3d\]: O.o why not?
Kantarella [6k\]: no stream, only Europeans know how to do that
xDragon [-\]: b plays p 15 / he must be fliiping insane / where will mingjiu play
humanoid [5k\]: how bout q12
BobWhoosta [1k\]: I WANT to play P15, but when I read it I don't like it for white.
Riitoken [16k\]: white to play J17
cugel [1k\]: it's 14
xDragon [-\]: if he plays j17 ill eat my hat
xDragon [-\]: and post it on youtube
Try [7k\]: =O
Dai10 [8k\]: im pretty sure white will k10 if he knows whats up
miae [6k\]: do you even have a hat?
jsc [7k\]: put your shoe on your head instead
cugel [1k\]: and it's fail haiku cause u missed season symbol
Kantarella [6k\]: after you ate it??
cugel [1k\]: =p
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Riitoken, if Mingjiu played J17 I would think it either extremely deep and pro, or the more likely explanation that Mingjiu has suffered a stroke.
xDragon [-\]: you know what i mean, same syllables
BLikeWater [3d\]: white is way behind to me O.o
Try [7k\]: i have many hats i use them for tricks while melbourne shuffling :)
cugel [1k\]: looooool J17
miae [6k\]: ah...is see...;)
USGO1 [-\]: Curtis turns around to look at board 2, as Yongfei Ge whispers something to his opponent ZiYang Hu 1p, in Chinese
xDragon [-\]: hes 16k quit making fun of him
RobertT [-\]: next comment in Iambic pentameter please? :p
WuHoUnited [1k\]: Chinese? that's cheating
Monocle [3k\]: I didn't like p14, but I sure can't find a response I really like either
gepay [2k\]: what does white want to happen?
Dai10 [8k\]: can they do that?
cugel [1k\]: u like P14
cugel [1k\]: it's good fight
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Yeah, true.  Sorry riitoken.
mw2a [1k\]: p14 looks nice here imo
gepay [2k\]: the inside or the outside
Try [7k\]: probly time for the next move eh
Monocle [3k\]: I thought white was too thick for black to fight
WuHoUnited [1k\]: so, why's black got all that territory on the bottom right?
RobertT [-\]: top is important here
Monocle [3k\]: I like it now though
Kantarella [6k\]: maybe p14 too agressive, now w pondering how to punish
xDragon [-\]: necause black is ballin
NotTengen [3k\]: hmm has anyone considered clamp?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Monocle, white invented a whole board joseki.
cugel [1k\]: yeah there is always way to fight
humanoid [5k\]: c'mon Ming...you rockin us to sleep
xDragon [-\]: this is a fast game to a pro
evanj [3d\]: if w plays o14 i will fly to santa barbara and give him a kiss
USGO1 [-\]: both players are leaning over the board studying the corner
gepay [2k\]: I thought p14 was to counter w's influence
humanoid [5k\]: see they nodding off too
Monocle [3k\]: it might just do that...
mw2a [1k\]: yes, if w responds normally b can get a thick upper position
RobertT [-\]: p14 is attaching to the strong stone to attack the side he wants
wormside [9k\]: q 15
BobWhoosta [1k\]: That's part of it gepay, and also to try and overconcentrate the Q14 stone, and maybe use a hair of aji from Q11.
Archer [2k\]: r17 looks good to me
mw2a [1k\]: p13 p15 &c
evanj [3d\]: p13 no good
RobertT [-\]: so black is trying to stregnthen his group to attack the o17 stone, and white wants to strengthen the o17 stone without strengthening black too much...
BLikeWater [3d\]: q17 that 
ozjohn [4k\]: is white p15 possible?
mw2a [1k\]: r17 directly is not as good as hane first
BobWhoosta [1k\]: White can't possibly P13, yeah.
noobienoob [3k\]: ............
BobWhoosta [1k\]: It would make him look silly.
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;W[qc]C[mw2a [1k\]: OR NOT
mw2a [1k\]: haha
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;B[pc]
;W[pe]
;B[qd]
;W[oe]C[RobertT [-\]: wow
]
;B[nd]C[WuHoUnited [1k\]: wow
Monocle [3k\]: wow
evanj [3d\]: whee
Dai10 [8k\]: heyo
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;W[od]C[Monocle [3k\]: haha
]
;B[oc]C[Kantarella [6k\]: they woke up
]
;W[mc]C[mw2a [1k\]: what did b do here
RobertT [-\]: this sequence is.... interesting...
]
;B[ne]C[BobWhoosta [1k\]: HERE'S your fight!!!
]
;W[ld]C[evanj [3d\]: b just got smacked in the face
compendium [?\]: did he?
evanj [3d\]: i do believe he did
BLikeWater [3d\]: q13
RobertT [-\]: well white strengthened what he wanted to strengthen
USGO1 [-\]: The last 3 moves slapped down on the board, each one harder than the last
compendium [?\]: lol
Tsuijin [2d\]: so cool
xDragon [-\]: uh oh, slapping match
cugel [1k\]: :)
mw2a [1k\]: i see
evanj [3d\]: i wish more tournament games ended in fisticuffs
handyman [1d\]: ladder god for b
wormside [9k\]: seems w had that whole left side
RobertT [-\]: slapping stones down means they want to appear like they know what they're doing
xDragon [-\]: the killing tesuji will be slapped so hard it will break the board in half
Kantarella [6k\]: how hard can a pro slap a stone?
Ritm [10k\]: slap that female-dog! hard!
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Slapping stones down means they want to scare their opponent.
mw2a [1k\]: depends on how much money it owes him
Tetriste [1d\]: the shell will end up stuck on the board
evanj [3d\]: is this the setup to a joke, kantarella?
wormside [9k\]: right side
cugel [1k\]: they really did R17 branch
cugel [1k\]: incredible
Kantarella [6k\]: yes come on!
evanj [3d\]: how hard?
Kantarella [6k\]: how hard?
Tetriste [1d\]: that would be a waste, the material used probably costs a lot?
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;B[pg]C[Ritm [10k\]: gently hard
Tsuijin [2d\]: the board with more scars is cooler
cugel [1k\]: nice move
USGO1 [-\]: still louder!
mw2a [1k\]: this seems goof ro w?
humanoid [5k\]: haha
cugel [1k\]: lol
Tetriste [1d\]: we want even louder!
tuerda [1d\]: o14 seems like an effective cut
evanj [3d\]: i want video for when the brawl starts
handyman [1d\]: i never thought about q13
Anskiere [12k?\]: no these boards are made from 100% recycled electrons
Dai10 [8k\]: yes o14 works
compendium [?\]: not loud enough, i didnt hear it
RobertT [-\]: mingjiu is about to grab a microphone, crank it to 11 and slap the stone down next to it
WuHoUnited [1k\]: o14 works at getting squeezed
BobWhoosta [1k\]: "These go to 11".
charkysan [-\]: w aiming at getting more outside influence to extend influence of p10 wall?
evanj [3d\]: o14 is exactly what b wants
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu has been know to slam a stone down so hard it can be heard from the next room behind closed doors
wormside [9k\]: shclap
cugel [1k\]: yes
Kantarella [6k\]: lol
BobWhoosta [1k\]: But what else can white play?
cugel [1k\]: lol what a rockstar !!!
Dai10 [8k\]: p13
cugel [1k\]: :) Mingjiu master we love u !
Tsuijin [2d\]: someone arrest him for disturbing the peace
RobertT [-\]: are they using ing stones?
mw2a [1k\]: what if your finger got caught underneath the stone? do they keep paramedics at hand at go tournaments?
Tetriste [1d\]: I think o14 is exactly what w wants too
Kantarella [6k\]: not much choice now, or what?
mw2a [1k\]: b+ER
lexansoft [2k\]: b corner is getting bigger
AroundOneD [2d\]: o14 is enough
evanj [3d\]: too bad they aren't playing on one of those floor boards with the pyramid hollowed out of the bottom for resonance
Monocle [3k\]: yeah, I don't see a good alternative to o14
WuHoUnited [1k\]: so, what good is w's wall?
cugel [1k\]: yes, P14 is tesuji
USGO1 [-\]: Several times he rasies a stone high in the air, but changes his mind
maicho [5k\]: o14 
Kantarella [6k\]: ok, so there is choice...
evanj [3d\]: he's just flexing his shoulder for the big windup
Tetriste [1d\]: hahaha
koticgood [4k\]: no, no
mw2a [1k\]: that nasty q11 stone
Tetriste [1d\]: yeah he prepares to slam it
evanj [3d\]: he stands up...
koticgood [4k\]: it's mental torture
evanj [3d\]: rears back on his back foot...
lilomar [8k\]: he's trying to get curtis to wince
cugel [1k\]: lol
koticgood [4k\]: the stone placement is so loud, than when he uses a feint, it's more tense than the actual placement
humanoid [5k\]: it's a bluff
Tetriste [1d\]: he needs to slam the next one louder than the one curtis slammed
RobertT [-\]: stands on top of his chair and dives into the board
virtuoso [3k\]: 好像只能
cugel [1k\]: he gonna break the stone !!
USGO1 [-\]: Curtis has his game face on
virtuoso [3k\]: O14
koticgood [4k\]: he begins to fear the placement of w's stones
USGO1 [-\]: he seems unfazed
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;W[re]C[evanj [3d\]: BLAM
cugel [1k\]: wow
WuHoUnited [1k\]: yay s15
xDragon [-\]: i heard that
USGO1 [-\]: A gentle clack
evanj [3d\]: how many windows did he break, usgo1?
evanj [3d\]: oh.
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Wow, that's crazy.
Kantarella [6k\]: that didn't enter my mind ofc
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;B[nf]C[BobWhoosta [1k\]: I would never have thought of S15.
Tetriste [1d\]: wow
gepay [2k\]: how safe are the 4  b inside stones?
Tetriste [1d\]: quick response
evanj [3d\]: it is really the only alternative to o14
cugel [1k\]: takes guts
mw2a [1k\]: s15 standard tesijo
compendium [?\]: i heard that curtis doesnt actually play go anymore
compendium [?\]: he just lifts weights
Try [7k\]: lol
cugel [1k\]: costly tesuji as b connects !!
RobertT [-\]: щ(ﾟДﾟщ)(屮ﾟДﾟ)屮  <game face
BobWhoosta [1k\]: S13 threatens corner.
cugel [1k\]: b good fight !
xDragon [-\]: so he can slam stones harder?
mw2a [1k\]: funny, bob
cugel [1k\]: he's right
BLikeWater [3d\]: resign soon
evanj [3d\]: i'm imagining b taking a stone with all five fingers and placing it as delicately as possible, and then giving it a loving caress before leaving it on the board
maynerd [9d\]: curtis traveled to china to play life-sized go
USGO1 [-\]: Curtis checks his opponent's time
Dai10 [8k\]: w k10 b resign
Tetriste [1d\]: ''you slammed too loud, I resign''
maynerd [9d\]: hence his muscular build and excellent go skills
USGO1 [-\]: b: 1:06 , w: 1:00
mw2a [1k\]: giants play go with boulders
Dai10 [8k\]: 1 hour or 1 minute?
Monocle [3k\]: hour
BobWhoosta [1k\]: maynerd, can I trouble you for a bit of reading??  After this fight plays out to it's fullest, what's the status of the bottom left?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Ko?
evanj [3d\]: bottom left?
evanj [3d\]: bottom left is stable as it is
Tetriste [1d\]: they play with turtle shells
WuHoUnited [1k\]: so black gets the corner and the thickness from this area
evanj [3d\]: what are you talking about?
AroundOneD [2d\]: o14 is bigger than s15
Monocle [3k\]: Seki, clearly
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;W[rg]C[Tetriste [1d\]: no its ko
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;B[rd]C[cugel [1k\]: miai
mw2a [1k\]: seki in ko
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;W[qg]C[BobWhoosta [1k\]: Guys, guys, this is why we need maynerd.
cugel [1k\]: but, L15 !!
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;B[le]C[RobertT [-\]: ko, where?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: I couldn't really see past D1.
virtuoso [3k\]: since like S15 did not work at the end
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;W[jc]C[virtuoso [3k\]: seems like
Tetriste [1d\]: It's always a ko
mw2a [1k\]: april fools bring may nerds
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;B[ic]
;W[kd]
;B[ke]C[cugel [1k\]: ouch
]
;W[ib]C[fly [1d\]: these guys play fast
USGO1 [-\]: Clack
cugel [1k\]: nice one master 
SSBMeta [11k\]: why double hane there?
mw2a [1k\]: usgo is duck
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Black gets influence, so his territory in the bottom right has already been paid for.
fly [1d\]: w is annoyed and wants to kill!
Diabolus [3k\]: the corner can die ? 
mw2a [1k\]: only by separating its head from its shoulders
AroundOneD [2d\]: k18 and then h17
rayheart [3d?\]: black infuence isnt being reduced by the white influence in the bottom side?
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;B[id]
;W[hb]C[cugel [1k\]: cannot die
ozjohn [4k\]: black L17 would have been interesting
Dai10 [8k\]: k10
Rikku [1d\]: L17 doesn't really work
cugel [1k\]: b got corner influence & sente, good job
Rikku [1d\]: :(
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;B[qi]C[wuwei [3k\]: I'm bored, entertain me with meaningful observations
cugel [1k\]: ah, vulgar move ?
ozjohn [4k\]: you are right
RobertT [-\]: meaningful? on the internet?
USGO1 [-\]: Curtis slaps that one on the board
Rikku [1d\]: Q12
Kantarella [6k\]: I don't get what w will so with p4 wall
mw2a [1k\]: curtis snatches that gravy up
BobWhoosta [1k\]: White will live with P4 wall, in gote.
cugel [1k\]: you'll see
Ritm [10k\]: stumbleupon.com      (try it)
handyman [1d\]: b is more like floating at top.have to fix it before move on?
Tetriste [1d\]: w is connected
yoon [5k\]: its a contest to see how loud you can slap your stones
BLikeWater [3d\]: alive
BLikeWater [3d\]: not conected
BLikeWater [3d\]: that string will get attack
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Black is ignoring his cutpoints, it will work out well for mingjiu later on if he's not careful.
Rikku [1d\]: B already leads so much
AroundOneD [2d\]: q 12 and s11
cugel [1k\]: maybe
Tetriste [1d\]: b cant p13 in answer to q12
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Is white alive??
hade [1k\]: fyi black has no cut points
cugel [1k\]: he can O11 :)
cugel [1k\]: yeah P11
hade [1k\]: N15 is sente and K15 can be netted
charkysan [-\]: s11 s10 q12?
BLikeWater [3d\]: white should just q12 it up
fly [1d\]: so... all you think Minjiu has lost?
WuHoUnited [1k\]: let's juts make up sequences
WuHoUnited [1k\]: s11 s10 r12 q12 p13 p12 o13 o12 n13 n11 n15 n14 m14 
Tetriste [1d\]: maybe s11 first?
BLikeWater [3d\]: then p11
cugel [1k\]: i think it's a long game but b good fight so far
USGO1 [-\]: Often Mingjiu takes a handful of stones from his bowl and shuffles them on the table under his hand, then returning them just before playing his move
jsc [7k\]: hes marking the stones
cugel [1k\]: he feels the stones
mikkon: b such a huge wad of cash
Hernee [-\]: Feeling his stones...
RobertT [-\]: each stone repesents a different move and he randomly chooses one
mikkon: oo lala
Kantarella [6k\]: lol
gofun [-\]: hard for w
cugel [1k\]: K16 worked great
AroundOneD [2d\]: s11 test also ok
BobWhoosta [1k\]: White plays D10, and stares his opponent down...
Hernee [-\]: I didn't know amateurs could destroy professionals like this
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Then black plays S11, and white resigns.
USGO1 [-\]: One almost gets the sense that he's doing this for each variation he's considering
jsc [7k\]: hernee have u neevr watched hikago?
USGO1 [-\]: Curtis steps out of the room
stay [1k\]: 7p has trouble with 7d?
Tetriste [1d\]: p13 
tuerda [1d\]: highly unlikely that minjiu will be destroyed hernee
wormside [9k\]: s11
cugel [1k\]: i don't know
BobWhoosta [1k\]: At this moment if black gets something like C11, it will be VERY difficult for white.
cugel [1k\]: but w had read this when he R13
RobertT [-\]: s11 seems too easy to answer...
Hernee [-\]: Tuerda, the board position at the moment kind of disagrees with you
SSBMeta [11k\]: w should just ignore r11
AroundOneD [2d\]: an aging 7p vs a boy 7d.
Monocle [3k\]: hmm, I didn't realize this was a pro vs an amateur
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu sighs a little and mutters something under his breath
cugel [1k\]: Ming Jiu good acting
Kantarella [6k\]: bad sign
tuerda [1d\]: I have often seen professionals get into positions that looked extremely difficult to me and win by using some sort of black magic
humanoid [5k\]: damnn boyyyyyy
USGO10 [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
RobertT [-\]: I vote q12
fly [1d\]: "kids! why do t??"hey play so well
jsc [7k\]:  yay!
Kantarella [6k\]: finally
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Translation of Mingjiu's muttering: "Just because a two headed goat shows you a corner variation in a dream does NOT make it joseki!!"
USGO10 [-\]: and i'm broadcasting commentary from Hajin Lee
cugel [1k\]: Q12 instrinct, but feek heavy for w now
mw2a [1k\]: zchen quipped "kids these days" after losing 2 in a row to a youngster
cugel [1k\]: if P11...
cugel [1k\]: then maybe
cugel [1k\]: its P10 vs. O14 influence battle
stay [1k\]: 7p at least 2 stones stronger than 7d
BLikeWater [3d\]: is this to distract us from the game
Tetriste [1d\]: move
Hernee [-\]: stay, not really
cugel [1k\]: their skill is closer than that u know it
cugel [1k\]: but MingJiu Jiang master still stronger
USGO1 [-\]: Feng Yun 9p looks on from the sidelines for a moment
cugel [1k\]: cool
cugel [1k\]: a game she'll like
AroundOneD [2d\]: w sucks
cugel [1k\]: loool
cugel [1k\]: weak troll
AroundOneD [2d\]: p11 for q12
Monocle [3k\]: well, if 7 dan is as high as amateur ranks go, Curtis could be the equivalent to any pro rank, right?
bjlu [1k\]: where this game was matched?
Hernee [-\]: 7d is ceiling rank, you can't get any better than that, so no matter how strong this 7d was, his rank would stay the same. It's complicated even further by how both 7d and 7p ranks just represent peaks of their careers, not their current condition
ozjohn [4k\]: is white r15 followed later by r18 possible?
maicho [5k\]: timeout!!!!!!!!!!!
ozjohn [4k\]: i mean r18
RobertT [-\]: usgo10 is doing demo on commentary of the game....
cugel [1k\]: he's able to win but not in long term
BLikeWater [3d\]: cant even see the board
cugel [1k\]: say 5 games battle
stay [1k\]: go 7p
cugel [1k\]: then Mingjiu wins
Robert0987 [9k\]: still no move?
AroundOneD [2d\]: 2 isolated w pieces.
Monocle [3k\]: I forsee death for the q15 group
Robert0987 [9k\]: pro is better :)
cugel [1k\]: maybe S10 a move
go4fun2010 [3k\]: s11
stay [1k\]: does w have to connect?
MoonCrash [3k\]: yes s10 
USGO1 [-\]: Curtis has an AGA rating of 8.49, while Mingjiu has a 9.63 rating
cugel [1k\]: it's better is w can connect
cugel [1k\]: and sacriface seems difficult
ukiyo [8k\]: white stones on demo board almost illegible
SSBMeta [11k\]: yeah, bad contrast
xDragon [-\]: tell usgo10 not us
MoonCrash [3k\]: maybe s11
fly [1d\]: and... why is it so noisy??
ukiyo [8k\]: how???
USGO1 [-\]: Curtis returns
lilomar [8k\]: and i can't understand a word she is saying with the acustics in that hall
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu sighs again
xDragon [-\]: what do you mean how? message them...
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;W[rj]
;B[ri]C[cugel [1k\]: my move :)
]
;W[sj]C[cugel [1k\]: hi hi
cugel [1k\]: hilarious
hade [1k\]: there's several hundred people here, bound to be somebody's move
USGO1 [-\]: Curtis now leans closer to the board
]
;B[si]C[tuerda [1d\]: that means something?
Tetriste [1d\]: interesting
]
;W[sd]C[cugel [1k\]: and...
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;B[sc]C[WuHoUnited [1k\]: you're most dangerous when you're in danger
]
;W[sf]C[cugel [1k\]: so good
MoonCrash [3k\]: this is where anyone less than 7d fails miserably
Monocle [3k\]: this is nuts
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;B[qf]C[Tetriste [1d\]: oh wow
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Ms. Lee needs to kill the screaming demons in the background before she can finish her commentary.
sakanaeio [2d\]: nice
cugel [1k\]: lol
Tetriste [1d\]: w got choice
Hernee [-\]: But, but, Q12?
cugel [1k\]: yeah
]
;W[ph]C[sakanaeio [2d\]: !
Tetriste [1d\]: p11 
Rikku [1d\]: b takes and accepts sente
Dai10 [8k\]: oh shi-
cugel [1k\]: the tetris shape can die now
WuHoUnited [1k\]: Q12 says "i failed"
horacelamb [3d\]: no
compendium [?\]: i dont understand t17
Hernee [-\]: Accepting sente seems unbearable
cugel [1k\]: b must accept
compendium [?\]: s17 seemed better
Hernee [-\]: I'd extend
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Q12 seems pretty okay.
Tetriste [1d\]: p11 r15 
USGO1 [-\]: video comments should go in the other game window because I'm in a different room
horacelamb [3d\]: it's a trade
MoonCrash [3k\]: good trade
wuwei [3k\]: Q12 says "Q12"
BobWhoosta [1k\]: White becomes REALLY thick.
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;B[qe]
;W[oh]C[miae [6k\]: ..........
Rikku [1d\]: black is thick too
BobWhoosta [1k\]: But black still has a cut point.
cugel [1k\]: both thick
cugel [1k\]: good for whom ?
Rikku [1d\]: but black has sente
b8matt [3k\]: w thickness has weaknesses
horacelamb [3d\]: what cut point?
Rikku [1d\]: good for b
BobWhoosta [1k\]: K15 not cut point?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Once white gets the ladder that is.
USGO1 [-\]: With q12, Curtis sits back suddenly and tsks
hade [1k\]: K15 > Net
Dai10 [8k\]: can b r12?
Kantarella [6k\]: if thickness has weaknesses, is it then thickness?
Rikku [1d\]: K15 is ladder
hade [1k\]: K15 > B H14
Rikku [1d\]: K15 K14
hade [1k\]: N15 sente because L17
Hernee [-\]: K15 could be captured with a net. ladder would also work
AroundOneD [2d\]: nice trade.
cugel [1k\]: this is pro trade :)
hade [1k\]: net is better than ladder
charkysan [-\]: good time to tenuki?
cugel [1k\]: but K16 P14 worked combo worked great for b
Robert0987 [9k\]: tenuki?
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;B[ci]C[bjlu [1k\]: now it shows what is 7p
cugel [1k\]: the oba
horacelamb [3d\]: the loose ladder doesn't work
IBELIEVE [6d\]: i think b made mistake...
hade [1k\]: like I said
mw2a [1k\]: now it puts the lotion on its skin
charkysan [-\]: got the last big place
hade [1k\]: N15 sente
Hernee [-\]: iBelieve, by how he ended up eating Q15? I agree
Monocle [3k\]: yeah, that was cool to watch white twist out of a nasty situation there
cugel [1k\]: where is mistake ?
]
;W[ck]C[IBELIEVE [6d\]: t17 at s17 should be ok
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu gently approches
cugel [1k\]: oh nice
cugel [1k\]: very soft move
AroundOneD [2d\]: c16
hade [1k\]: oh whoops
IBELIEVE [6d\]: now the game is even
Hernee [-\]: B shapes don't work together anymore at all :/
WuHoUnited [1k\]: really? even with all that solid b territory and groups?
Hernee [-\]: J16 is dead weight
Hernee [-\]: R11 is just dead. O4 doesn't look good
cugel [1k\]: can b attack H18 if he gets F16 F18 ?
Mentalist [7d\]: the result on the upper right is so disappointing for b
Tetriste [1d\]: it is, but b is out
Hernee [-\]: And now B has a weak group(which in itself is something I recommend to do when you're in trouble), but here that weak group doesn't seem to work together with the rest of the stones
Tetriste [1d\]: so super strong
USGO1 [-\]: It sounds like a big frat party is just starting up outside
]
;B[cf]C[Mentalist [7d\]: t17 and r14 are simply inexplicable
cugel [1k\]: at least w didn't get that huge moyo
Hernee [-\]: I agree. B must have cursed that R14 ever since he made it :/
]
;W[cd]C[Tetriste [1d\]: I kinda prefer b, he gots more cash and center doesnt look too promising for w
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Seems white isn't too too far behind anymore.
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Something like J4 might flatten the bottom.
Mentalist [7d\]: cant prefer b after such a disaster
nuance [2k\]: I thought someone was reviewing this game?
Mentalist [7d\]: even if b might not be behind
]
;B[mq]C[jsc [7k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
jsc [7k\]: nuance
cugel [1k\]: u mean b is badly OC ?
USGO1 [-\]: He slams that one down hard
Hernee [-\]: Ok, O4 weakness fixed in gote.
charkysan [-\]: that goes a ways towards making w's wall less influencial
BobWhoosta [1k\]: I would think black could fix the aji in a little more of an efficent way...
]
;W[gd]C[Tetriste [1d\]: this is turning into a simple game
cugel [1k\]: nice move
Savent [2k\]: black made a very solid move
Savent [2k\]: yes, that is a nice move 66
USGO1 [-\]: Curtis checks the time: w:40; b:56
cugel [1k\]: w too
BobWhoosta [1k\]: E6?
]
;B[be]
;W[bd]C[Hernee [-\]: What's OC?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Overconcentrated.
]
;B[bk]
;W[bj]
;B[cj]
;W[bi]C[humanoid [5k\]: not obsessive compulsive?
Hernee [-\]: B8 seems fun
cugel [1k\]: but thick ^^
USGO1 [-\]: another brief slaming contest
]
;B[dk]
;W[cl]
;B[bh]
;W[bl]C[jsc [7k\]: obsessive compulsive Overconcentration
]
;B[ai]C[cugel [1k\]: lol B11
]
;W[ak]C[whuang [2k\]: usgo whats your rnk?
Hernee [-\]: Sure, it's most likely a bad move, but it's the kinda you'd wish to turn out to be a good one
]
;B[dh]C[BobWhoosta [1k\]: White seems overconcentrated there.
whuang [2k\]: rank
Tetriste [1d\]: is it yose already?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: I like black's shape better.
BLikeWater [3d\]: super
cugel [1k\]: yeah he is, badly
Gaijin [7k\]: b just gets more
cugel [1k\]: but top is good
whuang [2k\]: whats your rank, USGO1
cugel [1k\]: w sente yose
BobWhoosta [1k\]: J4 here.
IBELIEVE [6d\]: i still prefer white..
Nano [2k\]: lol
BLikeWater [3d\]: l4
BLikeWater [3d\]: j4
Chadzy [6k\]: i thought usgo1 was just here to tell us what the players are doing. i didnt know he had rank
ozjohn [4k\]: K4
whuang [2k\]: i dont know
whuang [2k\]: whos commenting
Nano [2k\]: usgo1 is giving the players hints
Tetriste [1d\]: there's hardly any area left to claim
whuang [2k\]: Hajin Lee is USGO1??
jsc [7k\]: no lol
cugel [1k\]: quick game eh ?
]
;W[ob]C[cugel [1k\]: good for my sleep ^^
Tetriste [1d\]: yeah
wuwei [3k\]: Yes <-boldface
]
;B[pb]C[BobWhoosta [1k\]: Wow, white came back quickly with that fourth line corner.
]
;W[nb]C[BobWhoosta [1k\]: Still not equal, but white isn't doing too badly.
humanoid [5k\]: why is all these feeds offline??
humanoid [5k\]: fix it Euros
BobWhoosta [1k\]: H5 here?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Or is the bottom just not that interesting?
anathema [4k\]: was p18 a big move?
Tetriste [1d\]: I almost wanna bet w would answer a16
Rikku [1d\]: p18 very big
charkysan [-\]: f16?  or f6?
iceweasel [?\]: p18 seems too small ending gote
cugel [1k\]: P18 biggest gote there was
Mentalist [7d\]: looks like a long endgame contest
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu has slammed those stones down, Curtis has responded quickly and quietly
Tetriste [1d\]: yeah
cugel [1k\]: good for w
IBELIEVE [6d\]: p18 is big but bottom seems bigger
hade [1k\]: white only has about 50 points
AroundOneD [2d\]: f15
Levity [2d\]: just complete bottom
Levity [2d\]: o-o
Levity [2d\]: and gg?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Black's next stone is a slammer.
cugel [1k\]: what a lol game !
]
;B[ge]C[anathema [4k\]: bottom looked huge to me...
]
;W[fe]C[xevad [3k\]: this seems to be a special strategy of white
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Oh, nice.
AroundOneD [2d\]: so close
BobWhoosta [1k\]: G15 is a pretty stone.
hade [1k\]: but pros have a perfect end game
Hernee [-\]: G17 seems like fun move :D
Levity [2d\]: i guess centre seems more interesting to him o-o
Tetriste [1d\]: pros don't play a lot of games like this one
Hernee [-\]: Maybe just a bit too kyuish
xevad [3k\]: slamming the stones down on the board as if it were symbolic for the board being the opposing player
Musketeer [3d\]: why not f16
AroundOneD [2d\]: f14
Monocle [3k\]: looks close as it stands, but I'm betting on Minjiu here
Rikku [1d\]: pros don't really have a perfect endgame
Djiin [14k\]: does the difference between p and d express a difference in skill similarly to k an d?
]
;B[gf]C[AroundOneD [2d\]: or f16
]
;W[ff]C[Djiin [14k\]: or is it just a matter of playing professionally
]
;B[fg]C[jsc [7k\]: the latter
cugel [1k\]: not big gap
BobWhoosta [1k\]: No Djiin, the difference between a 9d and a 9p is maybe 3 stones.
Levity [2d\]: cut?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Probably not that much.
Hernee [-\]: Djiin, p = professional dan
BLikeWater [3d\]: i be he will get 10 pts from this..
BLikeWater [3d\]: the post
BLikeWater [3d\]: most
b8matt [3k\]: o11 will be huge for b
AnotherOne [3k\]: P ranks are tougher than D ranks, but it's no like like 1P comes after 9D
SSBMeta [11k\]: black so thick
Levity [2d\]: g17 aji
xevad [3k\]: did you know that in some Japanese professional games they don't even attempt to play the endgame
cugel [1k\]: very interesting yose demo !!
Tetriste [1d\]: I'd say that a d understands the game, a k just know the rules and try to understand it, and a p/high dan reads deep and got a lot of knowledge
Djiin [14k\]: i see, thank you
anathema [4k\]: they just sweep the stones off the board?
elementc [?\]: I would say Minjiu is awesome. I hope he wins.
BLikeWater [3d\]: i read his book
]
;W[hd]C[Hernee [-\]: B is being honestly awesome here
hade [1k\]: professional anything just means they get do it as a job
hade [1k\]: so generally they are better than laymen
]
;B[gg]C[AroundOneD [2d\]: j14 
Monocle [3k\]: yeah, j14...
mw2a [1k\]: "you magnificentastard i read your book!"
AroundOneD [2d\]: h15 for w j14
]
;W[ip]C[BobWhoosta [1k\]: J4 now???
BobWhoosta [1k\]: YES!!!!
cugel [1k\]: lol
charkysan [-\]: jenny craig time
cugel [1k\]: huge
]
;B[hp]C[Hernee [-\]: With go, it's not just that they do it as their job, they also have passed very strict tests to be granted professional status by some go-institute in Asia. Those tests are such that most people couldn't pass them no matter how hard they tried
Tetriste [1d\]: I'm not so sure about j4
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Black should cap it, and slam that down loudly!!!
]
;W[io]
;B[iq]C[anathema [4k\]: chuck norris tests
BobWhoosta [1k\]: chuck norris go tests.
anathema [4k\]: buy me a coke
wormside [9k\]: j 14 waist
cugel [1k\]: M4 ?
Levity [2d\]: m3?
AroundOneD [2d\]: l4
elementc [?\]: why aren't you people watching Hajin's commentary of this game
Hernee [-\]: M4 would be way too weak, I think
BobWhoosta [1k\]: L4 seems more standard.
Tetriste [1d\]: m4 would be a shape
Levity [2d\]: or l3 rather
Tetriste [1d\]: l4*
nuance [2k\]: This is incredibly loud
Hernee [-\]: elementc, I asked if Hajin had any credentials to do the commentary, and got no answer
USGO1 [-\]: their rolls seem reversed, black has been slapping down the last several moves, while white gently places his
BobWhoosta [1k\]: elementc, the demons scared me off.
Tetriste [1d\]: Hajin the person on the video?
]
;W[pp]
;B[rp]C[cugel [1k\]: i don't watch because i'm tired
elementc [?\]: Hajin is a pro player
Tetriste [1d\]: q4 is weird
]
;W[lo]C[cugel [1k\]: ok
Dai10 [8k\]: cant hear hajin at all
cugel [1k\]: much simpler
BobWhoosta [1k\]: q4 awakens aji I think.
bjlu [1k\]: chuck norris has little brean to play go
BLikeWater [3d\]: l10 time!
BLikeWater [3d\]: ear redening
Tetriste [1d\]: b would not play q4 untill far far later
xevad [3k\]: people are stating facts.. as if it will sway people from instigating
]
;B[mj]C[BobWhoosta [1k\]: bjlu, chuck norris taught mingjiu until he was 5p, and then said "I give up, you'll never understand this game!!!"
BLikeWater [3d\]: lol
cugel [1k\]: but maybe it's not sente later ;-)
BobWhoosta [1k\]: I should add something about a roundhouse kick...
]
;W[mi]C[Tetriste [1d\]: there's no way it wouldnt be sente -.-
cugel [1k\]: now N10 looks very daring
Tetriste [1d\]: well, b got no cuts to worry about
AroundOneD [2d\]: m11
]
;B[ni]C[BobWhoosta [1k\]: What was the status of the sound of N10?
anathema [4k\]: like a hammer on an anvil
]
;W[nh]C[SunnyD [2d\]: W misread
cugel [1k\]: not really
]
;B[li]
;W[mh]C[stay [1k\]: o12 prepared
]
;B[nj]C[wuwei [3k\]: Chuck Norris has sente with an empty board
]
;W[oi]
;B[kj]C[cugel [1k\]: lol
BLikeWater [3d\]: good for black
cugel [1k\]: good one b
Dai10 [8k\]: thats not too impressive
Dai10 [8k\]: the chuck norris i mean
]
;W[lk]C[xevad [3k\]: the right for the center
]
;B[lj]C[Monocle [3k\]: agreed, good for black
Levity [2d\]: all white needs to do
Levity [2d\]: is j14
elementc [?\]: Chuck Norris is a huge disappointment
mw2a [1k\]: game is close
cugel [1k\]: lol
Dai10 [8k\]: w j14 looks nice
humanoid [5k\]: it was those stretch jeans that ruined his reputation
stay [1k\]: b struggle
cugel [1k\]: J14 H15
AroundOneD [2d\]: j14 no use
wormside [9k\]: y
elementc [?\]: come on MIngjiu
AroundOneD [2d\]: l3
elementc [?\]: show us your stuff bro
cugel [1k\]: w H15 better :/
elementc [?\]: I am really not feelin it so far
wormside [9k\]: oh cause b j 15
xevad [3k\]: white J14 feels about on par with white r8
]
;W[ik]C[stay [1k\]: 7p should kill m10 group
cugel [1k\]: sweet
]
;B[kp]C[cugel [1k\]: also good !
Hernee [-\]: J9 seems like a sharp move
]
;W[ii]C[cugel [1k\]: aims at J14
Hernee [-\]: I can't read ahead so I don't know if it actually is, but I get nice fibes out of it
ozjohn [4k\]: yes i thought so
]
;B[hj]C[stay [1k\]: a move can only be good for one side
]
;W[ij]C[BobWhoosta [1k\]: stay, that's absolute bolakney.
]
;B[kg]C[Muadhdib [9k\]: ???
xevad [3k\]: stay what about double sente moves?
stay [1k\]: I mean b or white
elementc [?\]: I just don't see
ozjohn [4k\]: j13 next?
elementc [?\]: where white has any potential future growth
ozjohn [4k\]: or L5
cugel [1k\]: C2 thing ?
Hernee [-\]: j13 would be territorial gote move in a situation where more urgent points seem to be available
]
;W[rf]C[cugel [1k\]: oh yeah
Hernee [-\]: What the?
cugel [1k\]: that's sweet too
xevad [3k\]: yose!
Kantarella [6k\]: but why now?
Savent [2k\]: more like... sente
Hernee [-\]: What just happened? W politely asking "plz resign"?
]
;B[gk]C[stay [1k\]: no, not like that
]
;W[gl]
;B[fl]
;W[gm]C[stay [1k\]: ko
nay4ok [2k?\]: weird indeed
elementc [?\]: if white manages to win
anathema [4k\]: has anyone counted?
Levity [2d\]: white has f10
elementc [?\]: it seems like it woudl be close indeed
Dai10 [8k\]: w needs to kill
]
;B[jl]C[oregats: who is ahead?
elementc [?\]: I think black is
Dai10 [8k\]: b ahead
stay [1k\]: w ahead
mw2a [1k\]: b i think
mw2a [1k\]: but close
oregats: wow 7p
Hernee [-\]: That move seems absolutely, totally out-of-place and way, way too small to be played now
Hernee [-\]: Like, what's going on?
xevad [3k\]: it was reverse sente
Rikku [1d\]: Wasn't reverse sente
xevad [3k\]: twas
nay4ok [2k?\]: reverse sente... lol
Hernee [-\]: B S14 would've been gote
Hernee [-\]: Small gote, might I add
Ritm [10k\]: that looks like kills all w possible territorry in the middle
maicho [5k\]: nice move 
Monocle [3k\]: l9
cugel [1k\]: yeah strong keshi
xevad [3k\]: ask Hajin Lee
stay [1k\]: w has a big plan
humanoid [5k\]: resign?
cugel [1k\]: "mingjiu resigned" u would believe it ?
Kantarella [6k\]: many of Hajin Lee's variations looks much better for b
]
;W[hk]C[Hernee [-\]: cugel, not after S14
]
;B[gj]C[Levity [2d\]: even if white captures that area
Levity [2d\]: he'll still be behind by a bit
Hernee [-\]: It's a clear statement "I'm so much going to win this I can even just play worthless gote middle of a fight and still win"
cugel [1k\]: lol
elementc [?\]: double forward backward reverse gote
stay [1k\]: 7p roll
]
;W[lp]C[mw2a [1k\]: 7p never behind. merely hasn't won yet
Dai10 [8k\]: inverted sentose
mw2a [1k\]: sentose, the gote maker
elementc [?\]: Lee Sedol lost to an amateur last month
USGO1 [-\]: Curtis had just stepped away before Mingjiu played
wuwei [3k\]: which means nothing
Dai10 [8k\]: amateurs getting strong...
Dai10 [8k\]: almost as strong as pros.
elementc [?\]: many are pro strength
Hernee [-\]: Like, what in the name of all that's sacred and good? That's like some sort of joke. Minjiu wants to see how many people call that move out as ridiculous and how many just assume "well, he's pro, there's gotta be some point behind it"
mw2a [1k\]: or pros getting weak. impossible to tell
Monocle [3k\]: hahaha
mw2a [1k\]: hernee, forget about it
stay [1k\]: Lee was sleeping, so that was dream game
Kantarella [6k\]: take it easy Hernee :D
Hernee [-\]: mw2a, can't, the move is still there
cheddot [13k\]: btw, 7d is the highest rank in AGA
Monocle [3k\]: it wasn't the worst move on the board...
elementc [?\]: though players like Myungwan Kim are 10 in the numerical ratings
Hernee [-\]: Like, I'm expecting that usgo1 removes the move and tells us "sorry, misclick"
ummjhall [14k\]: USGO4 says w in this game looks "plussed"
ummjhall [14k\]: curtis was up from the board looking at another game
humanoid [5k\]: ha he's bored
Nano [2k\]: what does plussed mean?
stay [1k\]: curtis yawned
chayashida [?\]: is it the opposite of nonplussed? :)
Dai10 [8k\]: but Hernee, m4 gives white kote
ummjhall [14k\]: i dont know, im not sure its a word, but im sure he means the opposite of nonplussed, which most people think means the opposite of what it means
Kantarella [6k\]: it's past tense of plus
mw2a [1k\]: i don't think plussed is a word
mw2a [1k\]: but meaning is converyed which is all that matters
Kantarella [6k\]: must be puzzled
ummjhall [14k\]: yes
chayashida [?\]: who is USGO4?
elementc [?\]: Kim Myung-wan is rated 10.24712 in the AGA
ummjhall [14k\]: whoever is relaying that game, i dont know who
stay [1k\]: how about plusplus
ummjhall [14k\]: thats between a 1p and 7d
mw2a [1k\]: double plus
josek [6k\]: is there video for this game?
Nano [2k\]: ming jiu looks ++
chayashida [?\]: i was sort of hoping that USGO1 would let us know who made the comment.
Hernee [-\]: plusplussed?
SunnyD [2d\]: plusplus is the google super elite social network
Nano [2k\]: lol
elementc [?\]: Mingjiu is rated 	9.62850
humanoid [5k\]: nonpulsed means to be perplexed...fyi
jsc [7k\]: no josek, however someone is reviewing it on video
SunnyD [2d\]: only for people who did 1 million lifetime searches 
Nano [2k\]: Can people not at congress see this video?
elementc [?\]: Curtis Tang 8.48948
xevad [3k\]: "Firstly, if you don’t respect the opponent you’re more likely to criticize them. Most Go players have an unhelpful internal kibitzer in some part of their consciousness. The kibitzer is in there waiting for any opportunity to jump out and say something critical and not particularly useful." - David Omerod
USGO10 [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
Nano [2k\]: thank you
stay [1k\]: bored
SunnyD [2d\]: who is this omerd?
Longshi [-\]: so he was kind of kibbitzing kibbitz then ?
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu continues to study the board, occasionally letting out a brief sigh, as we wait for Curtis to return
xDragon [-\]: hes a 6d who lives in australia
yoon [5k\]: where'd curtis go
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu checks his watch
stay [1k\]: restroom?
SunnyD [2d\]: Longshi, you are right, we are here to kibitz about his kibitz on kibitz
ZedekBlue [9k\]: Yo dawg, I heard you like kibitz.
jsc [7k\]: lol
ukiyo [8k\]: > USGO1: Can you tell video chaps to adjust video so stones can be seen?
Monocle [3k\]: I can't imagine what black's next move will be
BLikeWater [3d\]: she counter
BLikeWater [3d\]: b+25
USGO1 [-\]: you tell them... they are one board 10 in another room
USGO1 [-\]: *on
stay [1k\]: Curtis entered room
USGO10 [-\]: the stones?
RobertT [-\]: a wild curtis appears
USGO10 [-\]: i see the board
xDragon [-\]: and i told you to do that 50 moves ago ukiyo
mw2a [1k\]: a curtis dpth approach
mw2a [1k\]: doth*
ukiyo [8k\]: white stones illegible
USGO10 [-\]: buy me a better camera
xDragon [-\]: ukiyo are you trolling
Dai10 [8k\]: m3 expected
Dai10 [8k\]: k guys?
ukiyo [8k\]: ????
cugel [1k\]: weak user
xDragon [-\]: weve told you about 5 times to tell usgo10 isntead of telling us but you dont listen
mw2a [1k\]: unexpected expected
xDragon [-\]: nobody in ehre can control the camera. tell usgo10
BobWhoosta [1k\]: What was this worthless gote move?
Monocle [3k\]: s14?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: I kinda half saw the conversation, but missed the actual move.
ukiyo [8k\]: I sent them a message via web site know-iy-all
cugel [1k\]: yes
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Hmm...
xDragon [-\]: well itd be much easier to tell them on here
cugel [1k\]: S14 a wrthless gote :-) but still master's choice
lilomar [8k\]: w s14 bob
stay [1k\]: if it is gote, not worthless
USGO1 [-\]: Curtis returns
humanoid [5k\]: reaking of booze
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu points to his last move
ukiyo [8k\]: and given all the mindless chattewr going on previously, you have a nerve to call me trolling.
]
;B[kq]C[yoon [5k\]: whats all that background noise
ZedekBlue [9k\]: Curtis played L3! It's super effective!
xDragon [-\]: i told you to tell usgo10 50 moves prior
mw2a [1k\]: you would have said that regardless, zedek
jsc [7k\]: consipracies in the kibitz
ZedekBlue [9k\]: Pretty much.
cugel [1k\]: w is almost under attack here
stay [1k\]: next move?
elementc [?\]: Win
USGO1 [-\]: the only noises in here are the occasional rattling and clacking stones and soft high piched clock beeps
stay [1k\]: s17?
]
;W[ko]C[xevad [3k\]: use tewari
]
;B[ll]
;W[km]
;B[kl]C[cugel [1k\]: nice moves b
Kantarella [6k\]: b simply wins
cugel [1k\]: b hit on the wall on game long
SunnyD [2d\]: where did B go?
stay [1k\]: b went out and conculted Lee sek
xevad [3k\]: to get some fresh air
USGO1 [-\]: you know, I forgot to ask him
cugel [1k\]: E8 thing ?
mw2a [1k\]: ask him who is better; kirk or picard
Longshi [-\]: kirk
lilomar [8k\]: picard
ZedekBlue [9k\]: Chuck Norris.
ErrorProne [1k?\]: kirk is better at 3d chess.
Longshi [-\]: sai
ErrorProne [1k?\]: I dont think either of them played go
]
;W[lq]
;B[lr]C[Monocle [3k\]: I really want something crazy to happen here, but I don't see white's path to victory
Monocle [3k\]: =-(
Diabolus [3k\]: w seems win to me 
jsc [7k\]: AGA rules in this game?
]
;W[no]C[rayheart [3d?\]: ths match looks already decided
cugel [1k\]: maybe
rpenrose [3d\]: l2 
cugel [1k\]: w just connect everything
Monocle [3k\]: I guess I did leave out a 12-point area when I counted, though
USGO10 [-\]: i think traditionally the North American Ing Masters is played under ING rules but it hink this year it's aga
]
;B[kr]C[Diabolus [3k\]: b2 big
jsc [7k\]: i see
]
;W[cr]C[rayheart [3d?\]: why l2?
]
;B[dr]
;W[bs]C[mw2a [1k\]: i thought ing no longer sponsored but retained it's name for continuity?
rpenrose [3d\]: prevents the cut
]
;B[im]C[mw2a [1k\]: its*
cugel [1k\]: aji
xevad [3k\]: 7.5 komi is a lot of points
rayheart [3d?\]: but was posible to cut?
cugel [1k\]: R3
rpenrose [3d\]: yes
rpenrose [3d\]: it worked after o5
cugel [1k\]: the b attack
stay [1k\]: whoever played last komi win
zchen [7d\]: Cuetis is amazing
zchen [7d\]: I love that guy
xevad [3k\]: I think some people are optimistically counting the e11 area for black
zchen [7d\]: Curtis
mw2a [1k\]: that guys he's ... amazing
zchen [7d\]: what a beast
zchen [7d\]: yeah baby
USGO1 [-\]: lol
chayashida [?\]: xevad: it isn't?
gocongress [5d\]: curtis likes that
stay [1k\]: baby beast?
zchen [7d\]: yes I like that too
Kantarella [6k\]: don't let warfreak hear this
]
;W[il]
;B[hm]C[cugel [1k\]: lol shape
Diabolus [3k\]: k7 ? 
cugel [1k\]: sure
]
;W[hn]C[cugel [1k\]: oh
]
;B[jm]
;W[hl]C[Tetriste [1d\]: b seems ahead to me
xevad [3k\]: chayashida I mean optimistic counting of points
stay [1k\]: k7 is k move
chayashida [?\]: xevad: oh, got it. :)
Diabolus [3k\]: i am 3k :B 
cugel [1k\]: bomber
cugel [1k\]: finally
cugel [1k\]: w + !!
rpenrose [3d\]: heh
mw2a [1k\]: you need to do somnething about those front teeth
]
;B[ad]
;W[ac]
;B[ae]
;W[bc]
;B[qb]
;W[df]
;B[dg]C[Ritm [10k\]: OH the strongest shape?
]
;W[ce]
;B[bf]C[stay [1k\]: no bomber
mw2a [1k\]: r18 q18 q17 q16 r16 s16 r15 r14 wrench shape
Diabolus [3k\]: d1
cugel [1k\]: J8 bomber
]
;W[ds]
;B[er]
;W[es]
;B[fs]
;W[cs]C[Tetriste [1d\]: e2 was fast
]
;B[fq]C[kelvin00: yeah
chayashida [?\]: was already read out after B1.
Diabolus [3k\]: d8
stay [1k\]: no bomb, just sente
Ritm [10k\]: tetriste why not tefeliz
kelvin00: d8
Hernee [-\]: I'm gonna say it: The game is gonna end B+6,5
zchen [7d\]: Curtis is going to be my favorite player in that room
Tetriste [1d\]: because it's not spanish ;)
ummjhall [14k\]: d8 then e9?
zchen [7d\]: going to make him drink so much beer
zchen [7d\]: actually i am going to buy him one right now
cugel [1k\]: E8 thing
USGO10 [-\]: keith is complaining that you're commenting
Hernee [-\]: I'm including the black voodoo professional magic W is gonna perform to catch up with B
Bilapidate [1k\]: I count B+4.5
Ritm [10k\]: how can you count something
xevad [3k\]: zchen is funny
stay [1k\]: w +
cugel [1k\]: like this : 1, 2, 3...
Ritm [10k\]: i count both players have some point
]
;W[hh]C[Savent [2k\]: counting accurately takes a lot of time
mw2a [1k\]: both players cannot have same point
xevad [3k\]: =)
]
;B[dl]C[afefa: w+0.5
Ritm [10k\]: like, lots of time to have the ability? or lot of time counting?
Savent [2k\]: and requires developings a lot of strategy in endgame
Savent [2k\]: lol
]
;W[fm]C[jsc [7k\]: i just cancel out territories in the simpler gamers
jsc [7k\]: games*
cugel [1k\]: i told u to E8 ! ^^
farmer [4d\]: p18 o18 looks like k moves
]
;B[el]C[humanoid [5k\]: i just cross my eyes and see which side has more blurry space open
afefa: w+0.5-2.5
Ritm [10k\]: why count? just get to the counting moment and see who won
ummjhall [14k\]: this board looks like clefairy
RobertT [-\]: b+15
cugel [1k\]: count as training for your own games
afefa: huh
Bilapidate [1k\]: 15? typo?
]
;W[fo]C[chayashida [?\]: Ritm: learning to count will help you win more games. you can judge if you are ahead or behind and then decide whether you need to risk more or solidify a win.
]
;B[md]C[RobertT [-\]: no
xevad [3k\]: don't make him repeat himself
]
;W[kc]C[afefa: 15 where
EntBlitz [3k\]: I can see that ummjhall
Tetriste [1d\]: b seemed ahead a lot to me
ummjhall [14k\]: good
]
;B[dm]C[Diabolus [3k\]: t9 
Ritm [10k\]: allways risk!
chayashida [?\]: thought that BL17 got a point. maybe i missed something.
RobertT [-\]: 15 points is pro counting
afefa: ...
ErrorProne [1k?\]: My attempt at counting it comes out B + 4.5
]
;W[cn]C[xevad [3k\]: I thought something was weird
xevad [3k\]: I am in the wrong game for commentary
ummjhall [14k\]: ?
afefa: well i didn't count the stones
doubt [-\]: i wish i was on my own pc so i could watch the video... dang my memory of nicks and passwords!
ummjhall [14k\]: lol
]
;B[nk]C[Ritm [10k\]: k8 winning move
xevad [3k\]: goodbye all
]
;W[mp]
;B[nq]
;W[mm]C[jsc [7k\]: see you
]
;B[lm]
;W[ml]
;B[mk]C[ummjhall [14k\]: you can log in with mine, though the girl seems behind putting the moves up
Tetriste [1d\]: o9 seems bad
USGO1 [-\]: white has 10 mins
afefa: counting stones is an abomination
USGO1 [-\]: black has 33
Bilapidate [1k\]: P9 forces W to fill stuff
]
;W[ok]C[farmer [4d\]: j13
]
;B[nl]C[ychen88888 [?\]: looks like Black's game.
]
;W[nm]
;B[ln]
;W[mn]
;B[kn]C[RobertT [-\]: black easy win
afefa: i got w around 66.5 and b around 64
]
;W[jo]
;B[gh]C[USGO10 [-\]: the pro says b is up by 15
afefa: oh
Hernee [-\]: Dunno. Afefa seems trustworthy
wingnoll [7k?\]: i got b by up 26.5
Diabolus [3k\]: t9
jsc [7k\]: no you didnt
jsc [7k\]: SE got that
wingnoll [7k?\]: same thing
jsc [7k\]: lol
ukiyo [8k\]: so does the score estimator
RobertT [-\]: afefa, you might want to practice counting :p
Tetriste [1d\]: I counted b+19~ before w gets c2
Hernee [-\]: I substitute my counting with SE
ummjhall [14k\]: ...
wingnoll [7k?\]: is there any other way
lilomar [8k\]: i counted b+16, so i must have the counting skills of a pro! or i got realllly lucky. probably the second
farmer [4d\]: o18 obvious losing move
Bilapidate [1k\]: B got more than I expected around E11
adsf123: here w resign?
Longshi [-\]: I have b+9 about, including komi
mw2a [1k\]: i just got 9, too
ummjhall [14k\]: i just got b+ ducks
ummjhall [14k\]: but i am thinking about ducks
jsc [7k\]: i think b+6
Diabolus [3k\]: b+ 9.5
USGO1 [-\]: Curtis looks calm and relaxed sitting back in his chair
USGO1 [-\]: he checks his opponent's time
ummjhall [14k\]: hubris!
Tetriste [1d\]: ~61 for w and ~ 75 for b
Tetriste [1d\]: oh
afefa: well if it's aga rules then i have no clue
chayashida [?\]: curtis is good. almost took the cotsen.
Tetriste [1d\]: forgot komi
USGO1 [-\]: White resigns
stay [1k\]: resign soon
zchen [7d\]: oh yeah
cugel [1k\]: lol
mw2a [1k\]: gg
zchen [7d\]: beer time
Tetriste [1d\]: gg
sweety [-\]: Thank you USGO1~
Bilapidate [1k\]: Thanks USGO1
Hernee [2d\]: Curtis beat a pro
yoon [5k\]: thanks usgo
jsc [7k\]: thxies dennis
Hernee [2d\]: That's quite a feat
InExtremis [3d?\]: thx usgo
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