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RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[5400]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
GN[NAIM Round 2 Board 1 - Juyong Koh 7d (w) vs Mingjiu Jiang 7p (b)]PW[Juyong Koh]PB[Mingjiu Jiang]WR[7d]BR[7p]DT[2011-08-01]EV[2011 North America Ing Masters]RO[2]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Dennis Wheeler]C[mw2a [1k\]: hi
stupidkyu: second
stupidkyu: hello
stupidkyu: nice game for all
joey [4k\]: third
cugel [1k\]: ming jiuuuuu jiaaaaaang master !!
Mdx [5k\]: 10!
stupidkyu: he is 7 pro!!
cugel [1k\]: incredible master !
Mdx [5k\]: Minjiu JIang won yesterday?
cugel [1k\]: and w is also a trong player !!
Selere [13k\]: impossibru!
cugel [1k\]: yes, master mingjiu won
Mdx [5k\]: thx cugel
cugel [1k\]: but by less than komi !!
cugel [1k\]: only 4.5 !!
Mdx [5k\]: hooo
Mdx [5k\]: black fight hard
Mdx [5k\]: fought*
asl: when is this starting?
cugel [1k\]: his pupil is sacry strong, but horrible style ! 
Dorongo: why horrible style?
cugel [1k\]: u saw the games ?
Burton [6k\]: did Zhou win this afternoon
cugel [1k\]: many very crude moves
mw2a [1k\]: no
mw2a [1k\]: he resigned
Burton [6k\]: thanks!
mw2a [1k\]: np
Mdx [5k\]: any video stream?
USGO1 [-\]: Welcome to the AGA E-Journal's live coverage of the 2011 North American Masters tournament at the US Go Congress in Santa Barbara, CA.  This is round 2, board 1.  I'm Dennis Wheeler, your game recorder this evening
mate105 [2d\]: Hello Dennis
Mdx [5k\]: thank you Dennis D:
mw2a [1k\]: hi, dennis. my name is mr. wilson
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[pd]
;W[dd]C[sparky12 [15k\]: that is a good move, if you want to die
cybermage [4k?\]: ranks?
cybermage [4k?\]: nm i see it
]
;B[qp]
;W[dp]C[mw2a [1k\]: go mingjiu!
Selere [13k\]: go go shimari!
cugel [1k\]: F" !!
Atdawn [2d\]: Did Minjiu win against Calvin Sun?
cugel [1k\]: F3 !!
mw2a [1k\]: yes
]
;B[oq]C[Theehero [9k\]: yeah
lance [1d\]: USGO1 will there be any commentery later?
cugel [1k\]: :(
mw2a [1k\]: by 2.5 moku
]
;W[qf]C[Selere [13k\]: shimari!!!!
anathema [4k\]: i love watching minjiu
Atdawn [2d\]: Wow. A close game
cugel [1k\]: pincer !!!
Mdx [5k\]: 2.5 or 4.5?
cugel [1k\]: R11 !
mate105 [2d\]: Go Mingjiu 
sparky12 [15k\]: ming jiu was my teacher
mw2a [1k\]: i thought 2, maybe i am remembering incorrectly
sparky12 [15k\]: for a while
Atdawn [2d\]: Calvin Sun is really terrifying 13 year old
Koffein [-\]: o17 s16 r13 
sparky12 [15k\]: he awesome
]
;B[nc]C[Theehero [9k\]: sparky did you go to go camp?
cugel [1k\]: uh
sparky12 [15k\]: yea
]
;W[qj]C[cugel [1k\]: he didn't pincer at all
Theehero [9k\]: oh lol
sparky12 [15k\]: im andrew justin
Theehero [9k\]: lol
sparky12 [15k\]: joey told me
cugel [1k\]: they're gonna revert to classic
metaperl [8k\]: a 7p versus a 7d?
metaperl [8k\]: 9 stone difference?
sparky12 [15k\]: good move-if you want to die
anathema [4k\]: doesn't work like that
igoAggie [3k\]: Well, that's not exactly how that works, meta
metaperl [8k\]: it isnt? 8d, 9d, then 10p ... 9p
igoAggie [3k\]: The difference between a 7p and 1p is not six stones
metaperl [8k\]: i mean 1p ... 9p
Selere [13k\]: the diffence between dan ranks is very little
Mdx [5k\]: noo, some pro move not by force, but  by time
Selere [13k\]: at the most 3 stones between best and "worst"
sparky12 [15k\]: no its 7d 8d 9d 1p 2p 3p 4p
metaperl [8k\]: yes
]
;B[cf]C[mw2a [1k\]: 7d is the highest AGA rank. there might be an honorary 8d, i forget
metaperl [8k\]: so between 7d and 9p there are 2 more amateur dan ranks and 9 pro ranks
cugel [1k\]: no rank talk please
Academic [2k\]: pro isnt a measure of strength, but of how many tournaments you have won, as far as i know
Theehero [9k\]: i think you can go pro at around 7-8 d
]
;W[ch]C[Shenron [1d\]: job is canadian?
cugel [1k\]: job ??
anathema [4k\]: you mean, like the book of job?
Shenron [1d\]: koh*
anathema [4k\]: canadians do suffer a lot
Theehero [9k\]: black cant jump
]
;B[fd]
;W[df]
;B[dg]
;W[cg]
;B[dc]
;W[ce]
;B[cc]C[ikewa [9k\]: tssssss
USGO1 [-\]: On the AGA rating scale, Mingjiu is rated 9.63, and Juyong is rated 8.6
sparky12 [15k\]: eyespace, eyespace gotta live in some eyespace
]
;W[qo]C[Selere [13k\]: friday, friday, gotta get down on friday
anathema [4k\]: oh please
Shenron [1d\]: where the heck is jie Li?
Atdawn [2d\]: AGA rating scale has 1 unit = 1 handicap stone?
USGO1 [-\]: yes
metaperl [8k\]: why does the stronger player get black?
USGO1 [-\]: but these games are all played even
sparky12 [15k\]: brb
USGO1 [-\]: because its an even tournament
sparky12 [15k\]: brb
]
;B[po]C[doubt [-\]: i know this is irellavent but.... i thought his name was spelled mingjiu?
Atdawn [2d\]: Tournament, players are assumed to play on an even level.
]
;W[qn]C[Dorongo: i dont like r6 position
Shenron [1d\]: is jie Li at he tourney?
bloodninja [?\]: I am here, Shenron
Dorongo: S4
USGO1 [-\]: thanks for correcting my spelling
cugel [1k\]: i'm sure mingjiu happy from R5
metaperl [8k\]: doubt - 10 letter maximum?
]
;B[rp]
;W[pn]
;B[oo]C[ericosman [1k\]: i've never seen contact play against a shimari before like R5.  is that something special ?
doubt [-\]: apparently not ^^ thank you usgo1.
]
;W[on]C[cugel [1k\]: it's very usual move
TengenBach [5d?\]: r5 is usual
]
;B[nn]C[Dorongo: hey why no cameras ?
]
;W[nm]
;B[mn]C[bluetable [-\]: d14 best alternative
cugel [1k\]: open used for invasion
Dorongo: no video?
Shenron [1d\]: is it really you?
Dorongo: k3
cugel [1k\]: i think in this case, it's thank you move
ericosman [1k\]: the little black triangles don't work for rewinding game to beginning
cugel [1k\]: b great shape
Academic [2k\]: go offline ericosman
scwizard [8k\]: ericosman: options->view offline
cugel [1k\]: clone the game
scwizard [8k\]: is your best bet
USGO1 [-\]: they are playing faster than I was prepared for this early, so I gotta pay attention or this game will be over for you guys real soon :)
]
;W[mm]
;B[ln]C[Shenron [1d\]: who do you like to win the tourney Li?
Remina [-\]: go meatlover!
scwizard [8k\]: yeah I was supprised to by how fast they were playing
]
;W[iq]C[Mdx [5k\]: gosh this is fast for a 90 min 
Dorongo: this is very fast yes
]
;B[bf]C[sparky12 [15k\]: back
]
;W[be]
;B[ef]
;W[de]C[Dorongo: but this is like standart joseki
Dorongo: easy one
sparky12 [15k\]: hero...
sparky12 [15k\]: theehereo
TengenBach [5d?\]: they're playing so fast their clocks remain at 90:00
sparky12 [15k\]: zedek and kamuki are online
Dorongo: black c3 now
Dorongo: i think
ericosman [1k\]: is f13 maybe next to prevent cut ?
USGO1 [-\]: we are sitting next to a western window, so the glare on the board makes it very difficult for me to see where they are placing the stones
sparky12 [15k\]: so many campers onling at once
Damage: shut the blinds
Damage: :D
rkds [9k?\]: lol
Mdx [5k\]: blind the shuts
ericosman [1k\]: wow you still have sun there ?  here it's very very dark (amherst ma)
Selere [13k\]: the white stones will burn your retina
Shenron [1d\]: campers? this isn't call of duty
TengenBach [5d?\]: live stalking
Selere [13k\]: while the black sucks your soul away
anathema [4k\]: here's its nice and sunny...
USGO1 [-\]: the blinds are shut, but they're cloth, o it not enough to cut the glare
ikewa [9k\]: 4:20))
]
;B[ol]
;W[om]C[Selere [13k\]: Where are they playing?
]
;B[qh]C[anathema [4k\]: santa barbara
ericosman [1k\]: they are playing at r12
SSBMeta [11k\]: finally
Dorongo: r12 is a pro move
Selere [13k\]: isnt it 8:24 there?
TengenBach [5d?\]: 8:23
loudog004 [17k\]: 724
ikewa [9k\]: pm?
Selere [13k\]: 2 hours?
Selere [13k\]: no way
noobienoob [3k\]: wheres the go congress gonna be next year in the united states?
anathema [4k\]: pm
Selere [13k\]: santa barbaa is what? east coast?
jaloki [15k\]: lol
mcninch [21k?\]: lol
ericosman [1k\]: lol
TengenBach [5d?\]: you bet
mcninch [21k?\]: cali
TeamLeader [2d?\]: Next year, Go congress will be at my house ☺
TengenBach [5d?\]: right next to miami
anathema [4k\]: the east coast of the pacific
noobienoob [3k\]: santa barbara is in the west coast =.=
ZeroKun [-\]: i wish it was east coast D:
lloyd [2k\]: East of China!
McMaster [?\]: west coast of USA
noobienoob [3k\]: wrong direction
xDragon [-\]: noobie theyre saying that next year will be in north carolina
noobienoob [3k\]: i hope so
noobienoob [3k\]: its closer to my town
Selere [13k\]: then it is 8:24
xDragon [-\]: mine too
noobienoob [3k\]: well not closer
TengenBach [5d?\]: east coast with respect to the fish
Selere [13k\]: because they in western time zone
Wiggum [5k\]: its on the other side of the country from me :/
noobienoob [3k\]: because i live in new jersey xD
rkds [9k?\]: ...
ikewa [9k\]: q13
Selere [13k\]: or mountain time zone? as americans say?
ericosman [1k\]: it would seem that if white allows q14 black is making a big moyo so maybe white will jump out to p14 ?  or shoulder hit at n16 ?
epion003 [?\]: alot of Go clubs around NJ and schools..
maher140 [4k\]: they should do a congress at chicago demmit D:<
Selere [13k\]: the stones would blow away
maher140 [4k\]: lol
jaloki [15k\]: they could call it chicaGO
Jinni [1k\]: they do
Juan03 [8k\]: no one plays go in ohio
maher140 [4k\]: lol like the room?
TengenBach [5d?\]: is that chick-a-go?
USGO1 [-\]: Yesterday and this morning, the top boards were playing on 2 inch table boards. But the players complained that the tables were too high for those board thicknesses, so just before this round, the boards were switched for thinner
xDragon [-\]: ohio plays darts with pictures of lebron
maher140 [4k\]: rofl
Atdawn [2d\]: B played an annoying move
Selere [13k\]: board thickness? pssh
metaperl [8k\]: Juan03 - what do you mean? There is the Columbus Go club. Tim Kington studies with Kerwin. He also developed a java go program  = http://gogrinder.sf.net
ericosman [1k\]: yes the problem with fancy shmancy thick boards on tables is that it makes the stones too close to your eyes and the position looks fuzzy !!
TengenBach [5d?\]: can't they put the board on the floor and kneel
Remina [-\]: more Go players in Ohio than North Dakota
Selere [13k\]: what happened to goban tables? 
TeamLeader [2d?\]: More players in North Dakota than Idaho.
Juan03 [8k\]: im 2 hours away from colombus
epion003 [?\]: and I was gonna comment how nice those boards and bowls looked...:(
xDragon [-\]: i know a player in north dakota, and in montana
xDragon [-\]: but i know none in ohio
Pro01: why black plays like a pro?
rkds [9k?\]: i wonder
Remina [-\]: more players in Idaho than Alaska
TeamLeader [2d?\]: haha
xDragon [-\]: alaska has a club or two
]
;W[qc]C[Selere [13k\]: more players in alaska then singapore
TengenBach [5d?\]: b+
Remina [-\]: doesn't matter, because singapore has supertjc
xDragon [-\]: B+W+res
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu had stepped away from the table just before this move
Pro01: wow
TengenBach [5d?\]: where did he go
Pro01: he is angry usgo?
TengenBach [5d?\]: bored?
ikewa [9k\]: pipi
TeamLeader [2d?\]: Log on so he can ask me where to go next.
ericosman [1k\]: should black atempt r15 then q14 to make moyo at top ?
Pro01: i want see a video of this match
USGO1 [-\]: Now Juyong gets up and watches some of the other games
ericosman [1k\]: or would white answer r15 at q14 ???
TengenBach [5d?\]: b cannot get both r15 and q14
Atdawn [2d\]: how old is juyong?
Selere [13k\]: why is juyong disrespectiing his elders?
ericosman [1k\]: he can if white answers black r15 at s15
day [9k\]: its normal for people to get up and move around at tourneys with long time limits
nue [3k\]: b r16
Atdawn [2d\]: 90min not that long
TengenBach [5d?\]: w wouldn't be 7d if he played that
day [9k\]: its long enough though
ericosman [1k\]: but if black r16 white can jump out to p14 and start flattening the moyo
lloyd [2k\]: you notice it is not diminishing?
ZeroKun [-\]: thats 90min per person, minimum of 3 hours
Atdawn [2d\]: Games that are over in just one day are for sissies
Selere [13k\]: almost 3 hours if they both play full
Atdawn [2d\]: More if there's byo-yomi
ErrorProne [1k?\]: At that rate, we should have about 24,000 irrelevant comments in the kibbitz.  Oh goodie.
Jinni [1k\]: i think we can do better
rkds [9k?\]: hope we can't
Atdawn [2d\]: We're off to a good start here
USGO8 [-\]: in about 45 minutes we'll be doing live commentary with video
Sutoh1972: r 17 problemati
Selere [13k\]: nice!
Selere [13k\]: how will we see that?
Atdawn [2d\]: I don't like R17 for W :/
TeamLeader [2d?\]: Who will comment?
mw2a [1k\]: mingjiu
USGO8 [-\]: Ting Li 1p with also Maeda Ryo 6p
TeamLeader [2d?\]: Nice.
USGO8 [-\]: and me Todd Blatt will be typing a bunch and clicking out the variations
Atdawn [2d\]: B is happy to seal that one in. W doesn't gain that much inside and the outside seems to be the main point here
day [9k\]: R17 is the natural direction
anathema [4k\]: go todd!
ErrorProne [1k?\]: Will that be on the AGA website?
Atdawn [2d\]: Like, I'd be happy if my opponent played R17
day [9k\]: since the R14 side is not valuable..
USGO1 [-\]: both players return to the table now
]
;B[qd]
;W[rd]C[Atdawn [2d\]: Neither is the corner
Selere [13k\]: they both left?
Shinnosuke [1k\]: where can we see the live stream later?
Selere [13k\]: hah
USGO8 [-\]: I'll clone this game in the EGR and play out the variations and type what I can... and you will also be able to see what I see and hear what I hear from a live video stream
ErrorProne [1k?\]: Awesome.  Thanks.
Atdawn [2d\]: But B gets a nice influence that plays really well together with F16
tuttomatto [3k\]: wher is live stream ?
USGO8 [-\]: it will be at eurogotv.com so sign up now if you haven't yet
ikewa [9k\]: ok
mcninch [21k?\]: awesome website -
]
;B[re]
;W[rc]
;B[qe]
;W[ob]C[USGO1 [-\]: Juyong gently reminds Mingjiu to remember to press his clock
]
;B[nb]
;W[oc]
;B[od]
;W[pc]C[Selere [13k\]: lol
doubt [-\]: even pros forget the clock!!!
]
;B[pf]C[sparky12 [15k\]: XD
]
;W[hc]C[ikewa [9k\]: there are no kive stream yet
sparky12 [15k\]: i g2g
mw2a [1k\]: he made that mistaje last game too
Atdawn [2d\]: Like, I think W has lost the game now
USGO8 [-\]: no, in about 45 minutes.  they're waitng for more moves to be played so they haveenough to comment on
Selere [13k\]: so soon?
ikewa [9k\]: ok
ikewa [9k\]: thx
USGO8 [-\]: and also for more people to finish the lightning tournament games
]
;B[fb]
;W[dn]C[NattyIce [1d\]: i like juyong's style, i think this game looks up his alley
]
;B[ql]C[Damage: what if they were playing and then the lights went out
Damage: would they light candles or what i wonder
Gogaijin [12k\]: ouch
Selere [13k\]: the sun is out
NattyIce [1d\]: i.e. immediate terr. and then the need to keshi
]
;W[pl]
;B[pk]C[Atdawn [2d\]: R9 or Q9?
NattyIce [1d\]: s8?
Atdawn [2d\]: S8 works now
Pro01: b moyo is so big
ikewa [9k\]: u know, it's a very famous story even nuclear bomb couldn't stop go))
]
;W[rl]C[NattyIce [1d\]: moyo big,  but lots to pick on
scwizard [8k\]: :(
scwizard [8k\]: very good move from w
Pro01: if w saves h17 will b have enough cash?
ChaoVN [3d\]: not so good
Pro01: xD
Atdawn [2d\]: B looks heavy
Sigrosa [16k\]: any video feed of this going on?
Selere [13k\]: later
ikewa [9k\]: hard to kill komoku
scwizard [8k\]: seems game can go either way
Nation [4k\]: noooo I missed the start
Atdawn [2d\]: I get this funny feeling B didn't expect this
Pro01: options> View offline
Atdawn [2d\]: This is based solely on how much time B spent on each move during this sequence
Selere [13k\]: i would play s9
Shenron [1d\]: I'm pretty sure koh beat mingjiu a couple years back to win he US open
Atdawn [2d\]: S9 would either get killed or kill R8
DexMorgan [6d\]: looks like a difficult position to play for black
Selere [13k\]: hmm
Pro01: i think b is going to lose
Atdawn [2d\]: Well, B got ponnuki
Atdawn [2d\]: So it's not all bad
]
;B[qk]
;W[rk]
;B[pj]
;W[qi]
;B[pi]
;W[rh]C[Selere [13k\]: whoa that happened fast
]
;B[rg]C[Atdawn [2d\]: B refuses to accept this ponnuki and...
SSBMeta [11k\]: is it one person updating all of these games?
Pro01: this is too fast
Atdawn [2d\]: SSBMeta, nope
Pro01: for my eyes
TengenBach [5d?\]: w l17
Selere [13k\]: how do they even get a stone from the bowl and slam it down without bumping stones? goodness
Atdawn [2d\]: R10 dies if W tenuki
Pro01: s11 is the one?
TengenBach [5d?\]: how
Pro01: s11looks sente
Atdawn [2d\]: TengenBach, S10
Atdawn [2d\]: S11 T10
sankojingz [1k\]: b way better
Atdawn [2d\]: T9 S7
Pro01: s11  t10 and w is alive
cugel [1k\]: lol
charkysan [9k?\]: the rate at which the moves appear is not always the same as the stones are played.  someone may be catching up all of a sudden online for a sequence played on the board more slowly
cugel [1k\]: mingjiu power
Pro01: charkysan pls dont troll
]
;W[ri]C[charkysan [9k?\]: not trolling, just explaining why it appears fast
USGO1 [-\]: I play 'em as I see 'em
DexMorgan [6d\]: mm
DexMorgan [6d\]: w not really alive
Pro01:  w is conected out
Selere [13k\]: i like this commentator
Pro01: he can play moves in center..
Atdawn [2d\]: It would be very hazardous for a record-keeper to not play the moves on the instant he sees them
DexMorgan [6d\]: thats not the point
Selere [13k\]: he has got sass
DexMorgan [6d\]: black plays in the center and w has to defend
Pro01: to run and make another eye stealing points from b
DexMorgan [6d\]: thats the point
]
;B[kd]C[USGO1 [-\]: And Mingjiu slams that stone down hard
Pro01: is hard play a moyo vs a 7p
Selere [13k\]: hehe
DexMorgan [6d\]: now white n7 is not good
U96 [1d\]: lol
Selere [13k\]: i like this commentator very much
noobienoob [3k\]: i hope mingjiu jiang wins
cugel [1k\]: of course
cugel [1k\]: would u play as b or w ?
TengenBach [5d?\]: did w's face twitch?
Pro01: was l16 hard move?
USGO1 [-\]: The sun has set behind the buildings now, we can start to feel the cool air from the air conditioning again now
TengenBach [5d?\]: if not, the stone-slamming didn't serve its purpose
hk126 [3k\]: k15?
epion003 [?\]: are results for previous rounds up on web site yet?
USGO1 [-\]: and the glare is gone from the boards
Wiggum [5k\]: L16 does a few things...
Selere [13k\]: air conditioning is overrated
USGO1 [-\]: 2011 North American Masters Tournament results  can be found online at http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/112. Check back each night for the recorded games and results.
Wiggum [5k\]: I have no A/C, it is not overrated
mw2a [1k\]: this phi-col game is pretty crappy
Remina [-\]: can someone give me url for the video stream?
epion003 [?\]: thx
Gogaijin [12k\]: sweat dripping on the goban....sounds like a song
Gogaijin [12k\]: lol
Selere [13k\]: gross
rkds [9k?\]: disturbing i'd say
Selere [13k\]: monkey jump to t7? :D
Pro01: w is thinking alot now 
Pro01: xD
TengenBach [5d?\]: good way to move your opponent's stones
USGO1 [-\]: Here in beautiful Santa Barbara, CA its been in the mid to lower 70s since we've been here
meghneel [22k\]: I'm not good at go but wouldn't t10 be a okay move?
TengenBach [5d?\]: then why do you need AC
USGO1 [-\]: Nice warm sun, and cool breezes
Selere [13k\]: I wish i was in Santa Barbara...and watch the Burning Skirts ultimate team
Selere [13k\]: they won nationals i believe
scwizard [8k\]: does s7 work for black?
MXHero [3d\]: h13?
scwizard [8k\]: oh of course not
]
;W[jd]C[cybermage [4k?\]: strange game
Remina [-\]: interesting move
evanj [3d\]: sabaki
Nation [4k\]: epic sabaki move
charkysan [9k?\]: b at s7 doesn't work, since it becomes a connect and die.  besides, it's small
mw2a [1k\]: if s7 worked it would be huge
cugel [1k\]: good move
cugel [1k\]: but b is happy to attack anyway :)
]
;B[je]C[Long88 [2d\]: why is a pro in this tournament? sand bagging?
USGO1 [-\]: he pounds that stone down sliding it a short distance into place
]
;W[ie]C[Selere [13k\]: haha mingjiu is releasing his anger
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong gently responds
horacelamb [3d\]: The old pound'n'slide
fly [1d\]: Long: it is an *open* tournament, that means anybody can play.
Selere [13k\]: i thought sliding was bad for the board?
mw2a [1k\]: keep it family-friendly, please
]
;B[jf]C[maher140 [4k\]: suddenly, the wild minjiu is enraged and flips the board
SSBMeta [11k\]: lol
maher140 [4k\]: mingjiu*
maher140 [4k\]: and the tames juyoung courteously replies, " I take it that you're resigning?"
maher140 [4k\]: tame*
aussiemate [8k\]: red finger move
Long88 [2d\]: black look likes he winning
Selere [13k\]: if i could count i would :X
maher140 [4k\]: dunno, i'd prefer w in this position personally
Long88 [2d\]: pro always beat amateur. 
maher140 [4k\]: tartrate beat redrose 1p
Long88 [2d\]: better believe it
Selere [13k\]: sweeping statements are always wrong
Long88 [2d\]: tartrate is a pro
Damage: tartrate beat mymy 6p
Sigrosa [16k\]: ^
Damage: :D
aussiemate [8k\]: What does SE(which is infallible) say?
maher140 [4k\]: lol
maher140 [4k\]: that's right he or she also beat that 6p xP
Damage: Also. the top ama's on tygem swept all the top korean pros
Damage: 3-0
Selere [13k\]: well for starters
maher140 [4k\]: SE says b + 5.5
Selere [13k\]: SE says the top right is dead
maher140 [4k\]: yeah
Selere [13k\]: so there is problems #1 lol
koestl [5k\]: half of those tygem players were anonymous pros themselves
maher140 [4k\]: rofl xD
Long88 [2d\]: tygem pro are all weak pro
cugel [1k\]: no pro troll please
Damage: tygem pros are the top pros
Damage: like lee sedol lol
cugel [1k\]: w next move ?
Selere [13k\]: a pro is a pro regardless
Selere [13k\]: they can still whup your butt
Long88 [2d\]: yea
Mdx [5k\]: proactive is a pro?
Long88 [2d\]: that's why pro beat ama
Long88 [2d\]: it's tough for white to move out
ekim1989 [10k\]: usgo1 time check please?
]
;W[jc]
;B[kc]C[Selere [13k\]: go go go!
Selere [13k\]: keep the momentum!
]
;W[kb]C[SergeyASh [9k\]: k18 ?
Selere [13k\]: ...doh :(
Pro01: this game is very slow heheh
Long88 [2d\]: go Jiang, show them what pro are made of
USGO1 [-\]: I can see that black has used about 30 minutes of his time, so since they've been playing for about an hour now, then white must have used about the same so far
Selere [13k\]: cookie batter?
rayheart [3d?\]: one and half hour game so slow is normal
]
;B[lb]
;W[ib]C[cugel [1k\]: mmmh b is a bit OC no ?
Long88 [2d\]: that's called THICK
Pro01: THICKNESS
Long88 [2d\]: OC is for ama, for pro, it is thick
Pro01: i want to see what b will do whit all this thickness
Remina [4d\]: reckless is for ama, for pro it is Korean-style
Long88 [2d\]: pound white like a hammer on a nail
]
;B[kq]C[Pro01: L3 was big
cugel [1k\]: hi hi he took a big point
Pro01: w have just one weak group
Selere [13k\]: boom shaka laka!
Pro01: and b nothing
singly: lol
singly: they shouldn't
Pro01: bum shakalakalakabum
Selere [13k\]: Did mingjui slam down that stone as well?
USGO1 [-\]: he did actually
Pro01: he slam down the stones harder?
Pro01: whit powa
Selere [13k\]: 'Atta boy.
]
;W[kr]C[Long88 [2d\]: Pro is made of perseverance, sweat, and tear
Pro01: L2 wow
Pro01: l2 is a courage move
metaperl [8k\]: I dont think B has very much cash
singly: ...
singly: b has plenty of cash
TeamLeader [2d?\]: He has more cash than me.
Long88 [2d\]: I bet 200000 theoretical Won on Jiang
Pro01: b is rich
mw2a [1k\]: b doesn't need cash. he has credit
metaperl [8k\]: lol
singly: who needs credit when u have cash
SergeyASh [9k\]: easy cake, imho  - m2
Toph [?\]: L2 seems helping white to make left corner stronger
singly: yeah m2 k3
Long88 [2d\]: actually Jiang is in trouble now
TeamLeader [2d?\]: I only have $1.47  which if you put that into a Go to dollar converter, that comes out to, 0.5 points.
Long88 [2d\]: either K2 or M2 will make white solidified
Long88 [2d\]: while b will be oc
Selere [13k\]: 3-3 invade now?
epion003 [?\]: around when r the commentaries gonna start?
metaperl [8k\]: "oc" means what?
Long88 [2d\]: overconcentrated
SergeyASh [9k\]: me looks b n9 was bigger l3 
Long88 [2d\]: m2 is out of the question
singly: can't tenuki tho
Long88 [2d\]: k2 is what white want
Long88 [2d\]: suck
Long88 [2d\]: pro suck
Long88 [2d\]: go ama
singly: so is m2..
Atdawn [2d\]: so k3?
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu checks his opponent's time: W 42 min, B 52
Selere [13k\]: ...why not c3? >.>
]
;B[cq]C[Long88 [2d\]: either way white aim to solidify
Selere [13k\]: YES!
Selere [13k\]: the 13k gets it right!
Atdawn [2d\]: :D
singly: just do that all game
USGO1 [-\]: A good sloid slap on the board
singly: and u'll be 13d in no time
Long88 [2d\]: yea, after I analyze the situation for you
TeamLeader [2d?\]: I am not playing Selere. Must remember that.
Selere [13k\]: *breaks into rick astley dance*
Toph [?\]: i think black was considering invade with something around G3, against L2
LeoMar [4k\]: good one, Selere :)
scwizard [8k\]: is this really the right timing for black?
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong had stepped away from the board just a couple of moments earlier
mw2a [1k\]: ahh, and i bet he didn't slam this stone down either
Krahsetihw [9k\]: I just joined, sorry; can someone please tell me where this match istaking place? Thx
Pro01: omg C3
Pro01: C3 pwned w
Selere [13k\]: santa barbara
scwizard [8k\]: really?
Krahsetihw [9k\]: thx
Selere [13k\]: yes
Pro01: L2 looks like no value
Burton [6k\]: US Go Congress
Pro01: compared to c3..
scwizard [8k\]: yes c3 makes l2 look wrong
scwizard [8k\]: but what about a move like n9?
Selere [13k\]: C3 :D
scwizard [8k\]: or j5?
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu now steps away from the table
Selere [13k\]: I <3 C3
Selere [13k\]: Does the clock still run if no one is at the board? 0_o
USGO1 [-\]: USGO1 stands to stretch his legs while both players are away
Pro01: n9 is slow but considerable move but for now i think is very slow -.-
maher140 [4k\]: hmm
Toph [?\]: c3 was in a good timing, one more white stone in the area would have made black survival hard
cugel [1k\]: last seq before yose ?
GreyEyes [?\]: USGO1 your commentary is hilarious
maher140 [4k\]: i think w will c4 
Pro01: haha
Archron [3k\]: hehe
]
;W[dq]C[maher140 [4k\]: wrong ;o
scwizard [8k\]: I'm not so sure
cugel [1k\]: B4
Pro01: USGO IS hilarious
Pro01: ko?
cugel [1k\]: b lives
Pro01: whithout ko?
ericosman [1k\]: yes
ericosman [1k\]: c4
cugel [1k\]: sure
noobienoob [3k\]: lol usgo1 ur the best commentator ever!
Pro01: c4 c5 b5 b6 d2 e2 ?
cugel [1k\]: B4 not C4, unless you want ko maybe
maher140 [4k\]: which variation will w choose ;o
cugel [1k\]: even then it feels bad shape
noobienoob [3k\]: both funny and hilarious thats what we need!
Pro01: looks like ko
poniy2: juyoung fighting
Atdawn [2d\]: c4 doesn't die?
cugel [1k\]: that's why D3 it is more severe
Pro01: but usgo is hilarious
poniy2: mr. ko is kgs 9d
ericosman [1k\]: i meant b4
ericosman [1k\]: sorry
]
;B[jr]C[poniy2: as well as tygem 9d
]
;W[jq]
;B[ir]C[cugel [1k\]: C4 get ko no ?
Pro01: K2 OMG
Pro01: wow j2!!!!
Selere [13k\]: whoa there speedracer
Pro01: J2 is too pro for me
Pro01: i resign
njs2 [1k\]: LOLO
Atdawn [2d\]: this is pretty much what i expected
cugel [1k\]: C3 then K2
Toph [?\]: only automatic moves thought before, here
USGO1 [-\]: both players slam their stones on the board as Juyong twice reminds Mingjiu again about pressing his clock
mamamia: Atdawn is strong
Selere [13k\]: haha
Pro01: haha press the clock jiang looks funny
maher140 [4k\]: lol
cugel [1k\]: if you like to crawl on second line
charkysan [-\]: clock makes a jiangle?
maher140 [4k\]: rofl
Lyon [2d\]: i wish some enterprising person had setup a usgotv style thing like the european guy did
maher140 [4k\]: what's the time
SergeyASh [9k\]: jang want k4, j4 - for be upper ...?
maher140 [4k\]: on their clocks
Selere [13k\]: if only USGO1 commented on my games...he would cry before it was over 0_o
cugel [1k\]: now w will try to kill corner in good shape
sparky13 [26k?\]: Is ming jiu here?
Sandpiper [6k\]: any video on this game?
cugel [1k\]: but ko good for b too
Pro01: i want a video
cugel [1k\]: b thick
Pro01: i want see mingjiu face
Pro01: :D
cugel [1k\]: lol
Selere [13k\]: watch him slam down stones in righteous anger
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu leans back in his chair and studies the board intently with his head in his hand
Selere [13k\]: facepalm?!
Pro01: usgo is hilarious
Pro01: !!
sparky13 [26k?\]: That is a good move...if you want to die.
maher140 [4k\]: omg! his head fell off !
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong checks his opponent's time
maher140 [4k\]: he's holding his head around in his hand!
sparky13 [26k?\]: a 7p against 7 dan?
cugel [1k\]: Mingjiu picks up his head on the floor
poniy2: where is hajin 3p's commentary?
sparky13 [26k?\]: Thats crazy!
Selere [13k\]: juyong is really watching that clock
ericosman [1k\]: that's one way to get a head
poniy2: mr. koh beat mingjiu at least once before
Pro01: ming jiu hits the stone on juyong ... 
Pro01: :D rofl
maher140 [4k\]: how much time left on their clocks USGO1?
Selere [13k\]: Mingjiu starts to hum battlestar galactica
Sandpiper [6k\]: "its white's move"
njs2 [1k\]: utter choas mingjiu plays a-1 and juyong plays 1-2 then there is a fight over a-1 stone ahhh
Sandpiper [6k\]: "its white turn"
USGO1 [-\]: my assitant tells me white has 55 mins, while I can see that Black has 49 mins
]
;W[kp]C[lemuel [3d\]: tough move
]
;B[lq]
;W[hr]
;B[lr]C[Selere [13k\]: you have an assistant?
Selere [13k\]: very high class
]
;W[hp]C[Pro01: now c4
Pro01: C4now
njs2 [1k\]: a1!
wongyjongy: where is hajin 3p's commentary??
horacelamb [3d\]: that seems like a good result for mingjiu
cugel [1k\]: lol
Selere [13k\]: C-4?! where?!
Pro01: C4 NOW
cugel [1k\]: enough C4
cugel [1k\]: bad shape
njs2 [1k\]: a1!
charkysan [-\]: USGO1 clicks mouse decisively
Selere [13k\]: C-4: somewhere better call the bomb squad right away
]
;B[bp]C[cugel [1k\]: see it !!
maher140 [4k\]: USGO1 plays a1, "my bad, misclick xD"
SergeyASh [9k\]: heh w want b on up  
njs2 [1k\]: lol
IKnowNotGo [-\]: Is this a tournament game?
Toph [?\]: C4 is bad, help white to do a good B6-C5 shape
ericosman [1k\]: does white play b6 ?
ericosman [1k\]: to hem black in ?
horacelamb [3d\]: yeah I vote b6
Pro01: B4!!
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu clacks this stone down on the 2-2, but slides it into position here
Krahsetihw [9k\]: w c2
njs2 [1k\]: nvm a1 is bad 
njs2 [1k\]: t1!
Selere [13k\]: 2-2 lol
horacelamb [3d\]: wow, a 2 vertex slide
Selere [13k\]: what a troll
cugel [1k\]: C2 soft
bloodninja [?\]: mingjiu is trying to emulate the late, great fujisawa shuko
andrewgr [3k\]: b6 is the shape?
njs2 [1k\]: 2-1
cugel [1k\]: but possible
horacelamb [3d\]: idk I like b6 here
cugel [1k\]: otherwise B6 
Krahsetihw [9k\]: w b5 then?
ikewa [9k\]: b6
cugel [1k\]: B5 helps b
Selere [13k\]: Mingjui places stone on t19 and slides it into b4 casually
njs2 [1k\]: w ignore
Pro01: B6 is the only move?
njs2 [1k\]: O.o
njs2 [1k\]: or ignore
Pro01: ignore
Toph [?\]: if wB5, bB6 and white can't cut, he would lose B5
SergeyASh [9k\]: i think b want to ~c9 
wongyjongy: c4
cugel [1k\]: B5 maybe force ko ? but it feels poor
ericosman [1k\]: things get a little hairy if white b6 and black d2 hane, and white e2 block, and black b2 shape, and white d1 atari, and black c2 connect, and white a3 placement
cugel [1k\]: H2 helps w fight
]
;W[bn]C[njs2 [1k\]: pros dont force ko
njs2 [1k\]: ever
]
;B[dr]
;W[er]C[horacelamb [3d\]: ever?
njs2 [1k\]: wait nvm
]
;B[br]C[Pro01: i bet my ballson b2
Selere [13k\]: i thought ko's make the world go round
njs2 [1k\]: exception
Pro01: xD
Krahsetihw [9k\]: w d1
cugel [1k\]: w need stone to kill
maher140 [4k\]: correction, they always force ko's !
]
;W[if]
;B[jg]C[Pro01: j14 bad
]
;W[ig]C[njs2 [1k\]: WHIte A1!!
ikewa [9k\]: e15
cugel [1k\]: it's necessary
mw2a [1k\]: a1 does not work
ericosman [1k\]: was white already alive on top ?
]
;B[jh]C[cugel [1k\]: no
Pro01: A1 dont work man
charkysan [-\]: f15 coming up?
maher140 [4k\]: yeah, otherwise b has wayyy too many ko threats
horacelamb [3d\]: yeah looks like he's aiming at it
Pro01: every move w makes b gets 2 points
scwizard [8k\]: there's no ko...
scwizard [8k\]: b lives unconditionally
]
;W[ih]C[Pro01: N11?
Selere [13k\]: 2 points? how do you figure?
cugel [1k\]: w start a moyo and save weak group
Pro01: N11 is the move?
cugel [1k\]: how can u say it's bad ??
Krahsetihw [9k\]: b J10?
cugel [1k\]: b is OC
Pro01: F13 
SergeyASh [9k\]: time to e14 group activation?
Selere [13k\]: Black hole tesuji!
]
;B[ji]C[Toph [?\]: i feel bad for white
horacelamb [3d\]: locally it's ko
vegmandu [3d\]:  f13
Pro01: this is painful for w
Pro01: right?
mw2a [1k\]: no
Selere [13k\]: great wall of china down the center
ericosman [1k\]: the sequence is white d1 atari and black c2 connection and white a3 placement, after which black a2 eye, whiteh a4 slither, black b5 threat, white a5 connect, black c5, then the real fun begins
Mdx [5k\]: how this isnt painfull?
ikewa [9k\]: pushing from behind could end good for w
Mdx [5k\]: black is cashing
cugel [1k\]: H10
mw2a [1k\]: look at the left side
]
;W[hj]C[charkysan [-\]: w will use that thickness tho
cugel [1k\]: yes
Pro01: ericos that doesnt make sense
Pro01: -.-
scwizard [8k\]: horacelamb I guess
Pro01: H10 wow
ericosman [1k\]: pro1 why not ?
cugel [1k\]: E3 cut
mw2a [1k\]: oh, it's horace lamb. i always read it as horse clam
horacelamb [3d\]: hahaha
Pro01: why should b  c2?
cugel [1k\]: oh and b has E2 option
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu leans far over the board from the edge of his seat
horacelamb [3d\]: I should change it to horace clam
andrewgr [3k\]: how could e3 cut possible end in sente?
Pro01: is ko whit c1 dude
]
;B[gf]C[Toph [?\]: i guess bF13 will be enough to do some serious damage to white
Toph [?\]: er... i was closer
cugel [1k\]: E3 cut is what makes b alive, virtually
Toph [?\]: *close
cugel [1k\]: i don't say b play it
charkysan [-\]: too bad, now w can't f15 and cut
ericosman [1k\]: if white c1 then black d1
Sandpiper [6k\]: b wants f11
andrewgr [3k\]: i think sealing off/invading respective moyos has got to be more points than corner.  i could be wrong, of course
ikewa [9k\]: j11
cugel [1k\]: he want G9
Krahsetihw [9k\]: w e13?
MamaAfrica: a sua mãe é mãe solteira?
]
;W[ds]C[Long88 [2d\]: you are wrong andrew
ikewa [9k\]: it's preparing for j11
horacelamb [3d\]: easy mistake to make
horacelamb [3d\]: I probably would've played f12 here
MamaAfrica: F12 big?
horacelamb [3d\]: I guess not as big as d1
horacelamb [3d\]: I'll take his word for it
ikewa [9k\]: f12 for w?
MamaAfrica: for black
MamaAfrica: if he ignores and play f12
horacelamb [3d\]: g12 for black
Krahsetihw [9k\]: b c2 !
horacelamb [3d\]: I think
MamaAfrica: f12 is greatshape
MamaAfrica: g12 is poorly
cugel [1k\]: b tenuki, ko or live outside
mw2a [1k\]: i'd've played e11, i'm a sissy
cugel [1k\]: go miiiiiinjiu mastaaaa
charkysan [-\]: even with b's moyo and big corner, i still don't get a big score difference when i estimate
charkysan [-\]: can someone confirm a good estimate?
mw2a [1k\]: charky, it is close
Lyon [2d\]: E11 area seems huge
cugel [1k\]: you're giving w all this moyo ?
maher140 [4k\]: i think it's w's game easily if b loses ko at bottom
charkysan [-\]: i'm getting w slightly ahead, but much is unsettled
mw2a [1k\]: that's as good as you can get right now
AroundOneD [2d\]: must ko
koryn: dont play the ko
koryn: tenuki
AroundOneD [2d\]: c2 = death
cugel [1k\]: seq to H10 insertion is pro thinking
Krahsetihw [9k\]: how?
ikewa [9k\]: j11
cugel [1k\]: don't waste threat
Lyon [2d\]: black needs to get into E11 me thinks asap
USGO1 [-\]: both players appear to be counting as their eyes dart around the board
humanoid [5k\]: yes Mingjiu is definitely counting as his shoes come off
cugel [1k\]: or finding threats
mw2a [1k\]: mingjiu has an alarming number of toes
koryn: b around 60 points i think
gogogogo8 [4d\]: B can live by connecting at C2, locally.
Lyon [2d\]: err ?
cugel [1k\]: agree, he scaruy
Krahsetihw [9k\]: AroundOneD, why c2 is bad 4 b?
]
;B[cs]C[horacelamb [3d\]: how does that live locally?
]
;W[cr]C[horacelamb [3d\]: it doesn't
Lyon [2d\]: yeah
cugel [1k\]: of course
]
;B[bd]C[AroundOneD [2d\]: ko means benifit
Selere [13k\]: whoa
koryn: B16 brilliant
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu lets out a deep sigh as he starts the ko
Selere [13k\]: ahahaha
cugel [1k\]: good actor
Selere [13k\]: "back to work"
Sandpiper [6k\]: white's moyo is bigger
Lyon [2d\]: yeah black wins though
ikewa [9k\]: b gains much
]
;W[eg]C[gogogogo8 [4d\]: W is winning...
]
;B[dr]C[koryn: black is leading 
ericosman [1k\]: if you look at the "get strong at invading" book on page 76 it says black lives unconditionally
cugel [1k\]: w removed biggest threats with the sequence
wongyjongy: w won
Lyon [2d\]: i don't like E13 as an answer
ikewa [9k\]: good endgame
koryn: w will lose
horacelamb [3d\]: okay, what's the sequence for unconditional life?
horacelamb [3d\]: starting at d1
cugel [1k\]: E13 good for outside
koryn: if b c2 then he just killed himself
Krahsetihw [9k\]: Zauri [8d\], who do u think is winning & by how much?  Do u mind telling us since u seem 2b so good?
gogogogo8 [4d\]: Why not just take the ko? w can easily discard D16 group.
ericosman [1k\]: the book shows black connecting at c2 instead of making a ko
SergeyASh [9k\]: f14 ?
Lyon [2d\]: f14 interesting, screw the ko take the moyo
Lyon [2d\]: but then black will play H8
gogogogo8 [4d\]: The corner is 30 pts, while the side is only 20--plus, w can get some sente outside.
mw2a [1k\]: krahset, humor me, do you prefer to read books or go to the cinema?
charkysan [-\]: how are they doing on the clock?
ikewa [9k\]: e1
Long88 [2d\]: this game has no quality whatsoever
maher140 [4k\]: j1 is worth like a billion points
Long88 [2d\]: black clearly dominates
Lyon [2d\]: el oh el
horacelamb [3d\]: @ericosman: okay, but could you give a full sequence?
maher140 [4k\]: like that's T
maher140 [4k\]: THE most pro threat right now
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu leans back in his chair with his hands folded behind his head, while Juyong leans in closer to the board
doubt [-\]: i wish there was video for that! 
ikewa [9k\]: ))))))))))
koryn: yep
koryn: a video would be funny
Tetriste [1d\]: c2 a2 b2 a3 I see bent four
Selere [13k\]: "take that you dan bastard!"
ikewa [9k\]: cool usgo1))))))))
ericosman [1k\]: actually i can't because after the c2 connection they don't show more
AroundOneD [2d\]: e1 also big
charkysan [-\]: where is a w ko threat that is bigger than letting b live in the corner?
horacelamb [3d\]: it's dead locally I'm telling you
SergeyASh [9k\]: g15 ?
AroundOneD [2d\]: j1 not big enough
horacelamb [3d\]: locally being a key word
koryn: its very dead
GoJamesGo [7k\]: w will lose if he doesnt kill black
cugel [1k\]: Mingjiu is quite the rockstar u know
]
;W[mj]C[koryn: very DEAD
koryn: ignore
koryn: ignore for sure
GoJamesGo [7k\]: nah
GoJamesGo [7k\]: w can enter
cugel [1k\]: nice one
koryn: not
koryn: he cant enter
GoJamesGo [7k\]: yes
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu leans over the board with several stones in his hand, shakes his head slightly and sighs a little
koryn: he will ignore for sure
Tetriste [1d\]: nvm
Tetriste [1d\]: a2 doesnt work against c2
Selere [13k\]: Mingjiu shouts "you shall not pass!"
wongyjongy: maybe enough to win
ericosman [1k\]: white already had r13 so doesn't that make n10 "not quite as big" ?
charkysan [-\]: w p12 followup threat if b ignores?
GoJamesGo [7k\]: Q 12 cut
cugel [1k\]: yes
]
;B[ph]C[GoJamesGo [7k\]: see
horacelamb [3d\]: good call james
cugel [1k\]: good intuation
GoJamesGo [7k\]: :P
Tetriste [1d\]: gotta be b1
]
;W[cr]C[AroundOneD [2d\]: p12 will be next for w
lyonis: b1 yes
AroundOneD [2d\]: ok
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu sucks air through his teeth as he played that move
lyonis: usgo
charkysan [-\]: what do these mannerisms mean?
lyonis: are u inventing all that or no?
ericosman [1k\]: are you saying black will b1 ?  I don't think so.  black will make a ko threat, something in upper right corner
Tetriste [1d\]: Horacelamb, what do you play against c2 instead of b2
Lyon [2d\]: who who lyonis stop stealing my name brah
Lyon [2d\]: who who = whoa whoa
Krahsetihw [9k\]: b a15
cugel [1k\]: to die ?
whataburga: lol
USGO1 [-\]: I relay them as I see them... you can provide your own meanings
lyonis: haha
whataburga: mines better
Tetriste [1d\]: of I see
Tetriste [1d\]: oh*
horacelamb [3d\]: sorry Tetriste when?
charkysan [-\]: s7 doesn't work, but it would make a threat
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;B[dh]C[Krahsetihw [9k\]: b h7
Tetriste [1d\]: nvm horace
cugel [1k\]: nice
cugel [1k\]: threat nest
USGO1 [-\]: he slams that one into place firmly
Tetriste [1d\]: I was trying to see how c2 could possibly work
cugel [1k\]: cannot
horacelamb [3d\]: f13 maybe?
Tetriste [1d\]: but I see it cant
Krahsetihw [9k\]: w b1
TheCaptain [4d\]: he's bluffing, Juyong.....
charkysan [-\]: does slamming the stone mean "take that!" or "i'm annoyed"?
]
;W[bg]
;B[dr]C[Lyon [2d\]: el capitain!
lyonis: facepalm
Selere [13k\]: empty triangle!
Selere [13k\]: oh the humanity!
gogogogo8 [4d\]: B c2, W a3, B a2, then W a4, B b5 (key place)...
Lyon [2d\]: not all empty triangles are bad empty triangles
Decoy [?\]: ^
doubt [-\]: guzumi are nice.
anathema [4k\]: if c2, maybe black could use weakness at c6 tho?
lyonis: what the hell is guzumi?
doubt [-\]: empty triangle tesuji.
cugel [1k\]: all are suspect
whataburga: i dont speak gibberish either.
SergeyASh [9k\]: m9 ?
Decoy [?\]: Knowing when "bad shape" is actually better than the normal plays is what makes a good player great.
Shinnosuke [1k\]: and not all ponnuki are good ponnuki... especially when they are dead
Tetriste [1d\]: I think there's a lot of confusion as of c2 when
Selere [13k\]: i understand that
Selere [13k\]: i was grandstanding
Selere [13k\]: i want attention
Decoy [?\]: lol.
cugel [1k\]: dead ponnuki is dangerous
cugel [1k\]: ponnuki is potent undead
anathema [4k\]: because after black b5, then wedge at c6?
key3 [8k\]: is mingjiu even 50% as strong as before?
Lyon [2d\]: sure
Krahsetihw [9k\]: w d11
Tetriste [1d\]: I dunno how strong he was before so I cant say
cugel [1k\]: no pro troll please
charkysan [-\]: e17 threat?
ericosman [1k\]: i think perhaps the difference here from page 76 of "get strong at invading" is perhaps that if black had played c2 connection , and then used c1, if white ignored c1, black could clamp at f2, but in this game here now, there's white stones at h2 that might thwart that
Lyon [2d\]: troll teh proll ?
key3 [8k\]: i always though pros become a lot weaker after they leave the competitive scene
Florida [5k\]: as kyu how can we tell really how strong these dan are?  To even pretend shows a lack of the concept
Lyon [2d\]: sure key, they don't study and play as much, but 50% is pretty sharp drop
key3 [8k\]: idk..im just wondering whether pros become weaker over time
cugel [1k\]: not really, no
key3 [8k\]: k
Lyon [2d\]: i think they do, just not to a degree that we would ever be able to tell
horacelamb [3d\]: I disagree
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;W[lm]C[Selere [13k\]: the only thing that diminishes is the ability to concentrate over long periods of time
key3 [8k\]: so do strong amateurs stand a chance on winning?
Selere [13k\]: but they can still play just fine
Lyon [2d\]: of course
horacelamb [3d\]: yes
cugel [1k\]: i think they get stronger ^^
Lyon [2d\]: jie li beats everyone
anathema [4k\]: like a fine cheese
SergeyASh [9k\]: awesome
SSBMeta [11k\]: M7??
ericosman [1k\]: why is white m7 big enough to discourage black from playing e1 ?
horacelamb [3d\]: new Asian pros wouldn't lose to any US amateur
Tetriste [1d\]: it depends, some become weaker and some become stronger
Lyon [2d\]: threatens huge moyo SSB
cugel [1k\]: this is the threat ?
Soromon [1d\]: wouldn't e16 be a decent ko threat? aiming at cutting f17
SSBMeta [11k\]: i see
]
;B[kn]
;W[cr]C[Krahsetihw [9k\]: b L6
lyonis: this is a professional threat
GotIt [4k?\]: f14
key3 [8k\]: which side is better so far?
GoJamesGo [7k\]: that gives w big moyo if he played L 6
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu quietly and gently responded to that threat
cugel [1k\]: b is good
Lyon [2d\]: i always root for the pros, must be something wrong with me
ericosman [1k\]: oh maybe m7 threat was big because of white L6 next ?  or could black leak in from K11 ?
Tetriste [1d\]: m7 seems bad
Lyon [2d\]: m7 forces black deeper into the moyo
horacelamb [3d\]: seems okay
GoJamesGo [7k\]: yup
Lyon [2d\]: but not so much that i'd call it bad
Tetriste [1d\]: if b wants to reduce, m7 helps b to do so
horacelamb [3d\]: I don't think it was really moyo
cugel [1k\]: yeah i root for pro too, i have sympathy for them and affection for the pro myth
Selere [13k\]: the pro myth?
Lyon [2d\]: just seems a little traitorish, i should root for my fellow ama
cugel [1k\]: sure
GoJamesGo [7k\]: m 7 creates more threats
ericosman [1k\]: maybe m7 also helps white connect to n10 ?  or wasn't that part of it ?
Krahsetihw [9k\]: b e12
lyonis: he just watched hikaru no go
Soromon [1d\]: go Juyong!~ If he wins this ko and keeps some moyo on the left I think he wins the game.
horacelamb [3d\]: yeah I'm going for Juyong
GoJamesGo [7k\]: w will lose if he lose this ko
key3 [8k\]: so strong amateurs(like white) have strength close to 1p right?
Tetriste [1d\]: in hng, amateurs seems so bad
cugel [1k\]: it means nothing
Lyon [2d\]: well those guys all play the insei at 3 stones
Lyon [2d\]: in the one club
key3 [8k\]: since they can play evenly without getting destroyed
horacelamb [3d\]: yeah hng muddies the waters a bit
Lyon [2d\]: and the insei are technically amas
horacelamb [3d\]: as awesome as it is
Soromon [1d\]: if white lose the ko he'll take j6 and laugh maniacally.
ericosman [1k\]: is black q19 a ko threat ?
vegmandu [3d\]: I think that young pro hu can win it all.
TheCaptain [4d\]: i'm rooting for juyong too, but it seems this game is a bit out of reach
horacelamb [3d\]: you think black is winning?
horacelamb [3d\]: idk
Lyon [2d\]: black is going to pull off some insane stop in around H8
GoJamesGo [7k\]: black is winning
Lyon [2d\]: and all of that middle is going to disappear, N12 is big though too
Selere [13k\]: USGO1 are you hanging in there?
horacelamb [3d\]: I'm not sure
key3 [8k\]: why are they playing at night?
Toph [?\]: by the way, white right border isn't alive yet, bS7 followed by T10 could manage to kill the whole group
Lyon [2d\]: they're in cali
ericosman [1k\]: will black use things like e12 as a ko threat ?  or even f14 instead ?
Lyon [2d\]: S7 S6
Soromon [1d\]: USGO1 has a power-beard fully charged.
Soap [-\]: It's 9:00 in California, which is still night time >.>
Selere [13k\]: goodness
Lyon [2d\]: or just cut
horacelamb [3d\]: e12 would be terrible
key3 [8k\]: isnt it around 8 pm there?
horacelamb [3d\]: 9PM
anathema [4k\]: 9pm
USGO8 [-\]: 9pm... we're starting
key3 [8k\]: thats pretty late
USGO8 [-\]: wanna go ahead and join my game
key3 [8k\]: for a go game
USGO8 [-\]: and you can see live commentary
Soap [-\]: I just said 9! >_>
USGO8 [-\]: video stream too
Lyon [2d\]: coooooool
epion003 [?\]: no commentary tonite tho..   :((
Tetriste [1d\]: f13 better than e12
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;B[hd]C[dingliang [3k\]: who is ahead
GoJamesGo [7k\]: b
Lyon [2d\]: what's the time like on the clocks ?
Lyon [2d\]: too hard to say ding
Lyon [2d\]: big ko going on and then...
GotIt [4k?\]: g17
USGO8 [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
Lyon [2d\]: oh man!
wongyjongy: usgo8, is hajin commentataing?
lyonis: haha
lyonis: finally
Lyon [2d\]: i love eurogotv
Lyon [2d\]: i was saying i wish someone set it up for the us
doubt [-\]: i can hear 
doubt [-\]: if you were talking to us...
doubt [-\]: well i hear you fine without one ^^
GoJamesGo [7k\]: i forgot my password to eurotv
lyonis: i want to see the game
ericosman [1k\]: is there any time limit on this game ?  both players still have red 90 colon oh oh
Tetriste [1d\]: b spent time to count I think
epion003 [?\]: yeaa its gonna start sone 
Tetriste [1d\]: before h16
mw2a [1k\]: man, i'm tired. usgo1, can you broadcast the game into my dreams, please
]
;W[id]C[mate105 [2d\]: commentary is coming
lyonis: i want just to see the game
]
;B[dr]C[lyonis: in table
Selere [13k\]: yeah really its like 11 at night here :X
doubt [-\]: how many people are there? it sounds crowded
Florida [5k\]: it's 12am where i am
Selere [13k\]: woof
mate105 [2d\]: many :D
mate105 [2d\]: next year I will be at the congress :D
dingliang [3k\]: white looks winning
lyonis: lots of peoples
ericosman [1k\]: it's 12 am here too
lyonis: :D
doubt [-\]: so many people........ who play go in one room o.o
Soromon [1d\]: About 12 games of the 16 are left. About 25 observers.
Selere [13k\]: what is with euroTV and smiley faces?
ericosman [1k\]: is e17 a usable white ko threat ?
lyonis: is she a pro?
cadillac [5d?\]: man it's tiring to watch these guys, thought I'd come back to the computer and watch from here instead :P
Selere [13k\]: still waiting on them to email me my password -.-
cugel [1k\]: nerd =p
USGO1 [-\]: White as 34 mins; Black has 30 mins 
Blaubaer [6d?\]: e17?
]
;W[lc]C[cugel [1k\]: omg, the sound is really nightmarish !!
cugel [1k\]: i have bad echo
Selere [13k\]: watching the review AND the live game lol
cugel [1k\]: and rumble
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu was away from the table for a couple of minutes, and returned just as Juyong played this move
GotIt [4k?\]: ignore
cugel [1k\]: nice move
horacelamb [3d\]: does this really work?
mw2a [1k\]: hopefully next year the congress will be in a proper time zone
Soromon [1d\]: atari at m16 first then n18 I guess
Tetriste [1d\]: what do you mean
Oriandon [17k\]: The cut doesn't work, but it's a nice ko threat, right?
GotIt [4k?\]: no
horacelamb [3d\]: I was wondering if it's big enough
horacelamb [3d\]: I guess it is
GotIt [4k?\]: big enough for bot right corner?
GotIt [4k?\]: no
GotIt [4k?\]: left*
Blaubaer [6d?\]: im not sure this is big enuf
GotIt [4k?\]: ignore man
GotIt [4k?\]: tired of this ko
Lyon [2d\]: haha
Lyon [2d\]: i like your reasoning
]
;B[ka]
;W[cr]C[GotIt [4k?\]: oh men
]
;B[fg]
;W[eh]C[horacelamb [3d\]: l19 is nice
]
;B[dr]C[GotIt [4k?\]: black is too greedy, he'll lose the ko and the corner with it, so also, the game
Tetriste [1d\]: w may just f12^
horacelamb [3d\]: I think d11 is best locally
Tetriste [1d\]: o
Tetriste [1d\]: b got j11 threat
]
;W[jb]
;B[ld]
;W[cr]C[Tetriste [1d\]: oh nvm
horacelamb [3d\]: huh
horacelamb [3d\]: I wasn't expecting either white to play k18 or black to answer if he did
GotIt [4k?\]: usg01 this is the newbie tournament, you are not on the good table :x
]
;B[gc]C[Soromon [1d\]: MIngjiu is just here to have a good time.
Tetriste [1d\]: g17^
Tetriste [1d\]: ??
Lyon [2d\]: forces F12 theoretically
Tetriste [1d\]: frekn keyboard that keep changing 
SergeyASh [9k\]: ignore?
Soromon [1d\]: Ignore~~ whtie can make life at h19 or connect out at j11
GotIt [4k?\]: black is just connecting
Lyon [2d\]: it does make some interesting options for invading though
womack [1k\]: Gotit earns the Red X.
GotIt [4k?\]: he'll penetrate white
Tetriste [1d\]: h19 isnt life
Lyon [2d\]: threaten to cut at J11 and what not
Oriandon [17k\]: Fake eye D:
Blaubaer [6d?\]: g17 nice
GotIt [4k?\]: G11 is the actuall black threat dude
BZ [9k\]: not yet
Soromon [1d\]: h19 leaves k19 and g18 miai
go4fun2010 [3k\]: w has to respond
horacelamb [3d\]: g11 ?
Tetriste [1d\]: b threathen f12 followed by j11
maher140 [4k\]: h19 g18 ?
mw2a [1k\]: h19 g18 
GotIt [4k?\]: black invading in sente
GotIt [4k?\]: so cool
Anthony22 [2k\]: is there a link to this game? like with eurogotv?
Tetriste [1d\]: g18 removes j17 eye
SergeyASh [9k\]: d11 ?
Soromon [1d\]: that is true
Soromon [1d\]: then fight ko at g18 ;D
GoJamesGo [7k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
Lyon [2d\]: link to the commentary
Lyon [2d\]: can't see the players
go4fun2010 [3k\]: w has played extremely well so far
Anthony22 [2k\]: sweet thanks james!
GoJamesGo [7k\]: np
Selere [13k\]: still waiting on my e-mailed password -.-
Tetriste [1d\]: its usually a bad idea to trade a ko for a heavier one
Anthony22 [2k\]: whose the foxy lady doing the review? ;)
Sandpiper [6k\]: is the rest of the game going to be played out in kos?
Lyon [2d\]: check your junk folder selere
GotIt [4k?\]: how much time left pls?
Lyon [2d\]: she's a pro
Selere [13k\]: i did
Selere [13k\]: there is nothing
Selere [13k\]: and i tried to re-register but now the email is taken
horacelamb [3d\]: lol
Lyon [2d\]: use a different e-mail?
]
;W[ge]C[Lyon [2d\]: who only has one in this day and age!
Selere [13k\]: i only have 1 email
horacelamb [3d\]: haha
Selere [13k\]: >.>
GotIt [4k?\]: use a @yopmail.com mail adress
Oriandon [17k\]: woah
]
;B[fe]C[GotIt [4k?\]: throwable
Lyon [2d\]: G11
Lyon [2d\]: will destroy white's moyo
Lyon [2d\]: if white takes ko ?
GotIt [4k?\]: y
GotIt [4k?\]: t'es rapide toi
GotIt [4k?\]: on parlait de G11 y'a 10 min :x
USGO1 [-\]: both players have 25minutes left
GotIt [4k?\]: thanks
GotIt [4k?\]: game goes so fast at the beginning :x
horacelamb [3d\]: I think the more pressing problem is f12 d11 j11 h11 h12 g18 g19 h19 
horacelamb [3d\]: if w ignores
horacelamb [3d\]: i.e. start a ko for the top
]
;W[gi]
;B[dr]C[Lyon [2d\]: i kind of don't like this because black is hurting his chances to invade that side
Diabolus [3k\]: w so ahead
Lyon [2d\]: but he is far better than i am so :P
horacelamb [3d\]: yeah g11 gives b a pretty secure moyo
horacelamb [3d\]: but on the minus side it gives b a bunch of threats
]
;W[im]
;B[es]C[horacelamb [3d\]: ah
Tetriste [1d\]: w gave in
horacelamb [3d\]: throwing in the towel
Lyon [2d\]: hah white says i'll just take the moyo
horacelamb [3d\]: probably a good idea
maher140 [4k\]: lol
Sandpiper [6k\]: finally
Lyon [2d\]: i dunno, big moyo
horacelamb [3d\]: he couldn't win on threats
maher140 [4k\]: finally the giant ko ends xD
mw2a [1k\]: f11 
maher140 [4k\]: i still count w ahead though
Lyon [2d\]: if hng is to be believed his fighting spirit is now crushed
mw2a [1k\]: interesting
sankojingz [1k\]: what is moyo?
andrewgr [3k\]: that looks more like territory than a moyo to me.  can that really be invaded?
hasen [12k\]: d11?
Soromon [1d\]: Moyo is a large framework.
sankojingz [1k\]: thanks
goahead [?\]: w is much ahead to me
horacelamb [3d\]: d11 doesn't help
horacelamb [3d\]: n12 maybe?
Lyon [2d\]: n12 is big, white should probably reinforce though
GotIt [4k?\]: let's see what a pro can do here
GotIt [4k?\]: invading seems impossible to me :x
Lyon [2d\]: wouldn't want to leave a tricksy pro any openings
andrewgr [3k\]: moyo is a framework, not territory.  purpose of moyo is to attack stones that are played inside of it, or convert it to territory if it's not invaded.  at least, that's my understanding
mw2a [1k\]: f11
Lyon [2d\]: sounds right andrew
horacelamb [3d\]: what does f11 do?
Soromon [1d\]: f11 not needed
Diabolus [3k\]: n11
mw2a [1k\]: for b
GotIt [4k?\]: f11 useless
Tetriste [1d\]: cant see how b can invade either
horacelamb [3d\]: I don't think it works
mw2a [1k\]: f11 f12 g12 d11 j11 
sankojingz [1k\]: who is juyong
goahead [?\]: f11 looks good for b
Tetriste [1d\]: b can only reduce I think
horacelamb [3d\]: if you read another move you'd get h12 g13 h11 
goahead [?\]: f11 maybe good
horacelamb [3d\]: after that
Tetriste [1d\]: pfft
GotIt [4k?\]: can b attack J12?
GotIt [4k?\]: in order to invade
goahead [?\]: or g12 for b
Tetriste [1d\]: f11 f12 g12 e11 j11 h12 h11 g13 g10 
charkysan [-\]: juyong is a strong canadian player.
mw2a [1k\]: keep reading, horace
charkysan [-\]: from b.c.
Sandpiper [6k\]: f12 to close the door
Soromon [1d\]: white probably considering f2 or n12? maybe k9 if he's worried about the j7 stone?
Tetriste [1d\]: lolll no
Tetriste [1d\]: f11 f12 g12 e11 h11 
SixtyNine [1d\]: i think white is slightly ahead bc he has sente
cadillac [5d?\]: Are the pros reviewing this game in a room where Congress attendants can listen?
]
;W[fr]C[Lyon [2d\]: yeah
GotIt [4k?\]: yeah with harry potter
horacelamb [3d\]: I don't think either the ladder or the net work if that's what you mean
Soromon [1d\]: In the main playing area?
horacelamb [3d\]: maybe he can get a few points
Soromon [1d\]: black k5 to start?
andrewgr [3k\]: i'm not convinced white is ahead.  i count black with 40 points just in his 3 corners
mw2a [1k\]: it's also aji for b to consider
mw2a [1k\]: doesn't mean he needs to play it directly
adamb1 [12k?\]: I still can't believe the prize fund is only $1800
charkysan [-\]: my latest estimate has b ahead by about 10, but much depends on sente yose
horacelamb [3d\]: good point
GotIt [4k?\]: J11
GoJamesGo [7k\]: black is winning
saoyran [20k\]: hi everyone
mw2a [1k\]: besides, f11 we11 might work
Selere [13k\]: havent you heard? we are in a recession
maher140 [4k\]: i count w up by a lot
GotIt [4k?\]: J11 man go on
maher140 [4k\]: like 15+
Soromon [1d\]: I think w+komi
Kostas [?\]: who's in recession? france? 
goahead [?\]: why time is not clicking?
Soromon [1d\]: black gets k5 for free basically though... then maybe n12
mw2a [1k\]: f8 
blob [4k\]: because it's digital
SixtyNine [1d\]: quite close
Lyon [2d\]: doesn't run in demo games
mw2a [1k\]: ddk invasion
trout [4d\]: very close game.
goahead [?\]: haha, very funny
Severdija [3k?\]: this game is very close
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;B[in]C[barty [1d\]: no way
Soromon [1d\]: h6 
barty [1d\]: white have more
Lyon [2d\]: for now
Practise [2k\]: Does black have something sly if H6/
barty [1d\]: for latter too
barty [1d\]: :)
Practise [2k\]: Seems he might try to be tricky
Lyon [2d\]: h6, cross cut maybe ?
horacelamb [3d\]: what would he do?
pacman1 [3k\]: H7
Practise [2k\]: If he's losing...
andrewgr [3k\]: i always wonder why people who claim to know who's ahead don't give their count.  it's only a few extra characters of typing
Soromon [1d\]: crosscut and pray?
Kostas [?\]: but h7 so lenient :/
Severdija [3k?\]: b should get both b5 and n11
Lyon [2d\]: yes soro
blob [4k\]: w will want to read is damn well slowly
mw2a [1k\]: f11 f12 g12 d11 h11 would work better, but still f11 e11 is better
blob [4k\]: *this
GotIt [4k?\]: i doubt 7p pray man
lyonis: read is damn?
Soromon [1d\]: crosscut and pray is standard 1d move
blob [4k\]: whatever
Soromon [1d\]: always get something good
GotIt [4k?\]: if 10p is god, then they should just ask him to share some move...
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong reaches out and straightens the stones, Mingjiu returns the extra stones he had on the table back into his bowl
pacman1 [3k\]: there u have it w+12,5
mw2a [1k\]: w will probaly noobi
Practise [2k\]: Soromon I am trying to learn it~
pacman1 [3k\]: but white will loose points at J 6
mollycat [6k\]: noobi?
Practise [2k\]: then I can be a terrible 1d
]
;W[hm]C[pacman1 [3k\]: my move :)
mw2a [1k\]: nobi, noobi, whatever
Kostas [?\]: link for stream again please
blob [4k\]: extend, we say in english
Anthony22 [2k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
GotIt [4k?\]: white says : "hum, not interested dude, stay away"
Kostas [?\]: thanks
Anthony22 [2k\]: np
mw2a [1k\]: pacman owns the rights to the nobi. whenever we play it we must pay him royalties
Practise [2k\]: I find extend can be ambiguous
Practise [2k\]: Because you also extend from walls.
pacman1 [3k\]: yeah ure right
]
;B[fh]
;W[ei]
;B[ii]C[GotIt [4k?\]: ahhh
blob [4k\]: nobiru means extend in japanese... it's that simple
GotIt [4k?\]: finally
GotIt [4k?\]: J11 ftw
SergeyASh [9k\]: b s7 - cut q6 ?
charkysan [-\]: defending the moyo is job 1, since w only has about 14 points elsewhere, not counting komi
Tetriste [1d\]: h12 h11 g12 g10 
Soromon [1d\]: g12
horacelamb [3d\]: what is b trying to do?
]
;W[hi]C[wongyjongy: h12?
Soromon [1d\]: o.O
Tetriste [1d\]: wait wut
Tetriste [1d\]: h11^
Tetriste [1d\]: ??
GotIt [4k?\]: cut Oo
Practise [2k\]: White is feeling classy
horacelamb [3d\]: h12 doesn't work
andrewgr [3k\]: threatens h15 if black cuts
pacman1 [3k\]: reducing whites framework ?
]
;B[ik]C[horacelamb [3d\]: now I get g15
Dai10 [9k?\]: what is this event?
Soromon [1d\]: white wants to make a 2nd catching the h16 stone
Soromon [1d\]: two eyes that way
Practise [2k\]: As white counts ahead, he is playing solidly
maher140 [4k\]: h12 g12 h13 g13 h14 h15 f14 g16 
scwizard [8k\]: if b cuts H12?
scwizard [8k\]: hwo does w live?
virtuoso [3k\]: 江老師又在殺小孩了
Kostas [?\]: yeah, counting ahead helps sometimes
Practise [2k\]: shortage of liberties vs two eyes with H15
maher140 [4k\]: for those of you who are too lazy to read
horacelamb [3d\]: h12 g12 h13 g13 h15 
mw2a [1k\]: we've just been saying scwizard
charkysan [-\]: if b h12 cut, w chases and gets 2 eyes by capturing h16
scwizard [8k\]: :O
Tetriste [1d\]: if b cuts w in sente, perhaps s8 not alive
Soromon [1d\]: white would squeeze a h12 stone at g12 g13 then atari with h15 and capture at g16, with a good yose follow-up at g18.
Practise [2k\]: How sente is this?
barty [1d\]: h6 now
blob [4k\]: about this <---------> much
Practise [2k\]: ok, pretty sente
GotIt [4k?\]: lol
mw2a [1k\]: this move is so sente your mom would respond to it
pacman1 [3k\]: kgs : w+0,5
horacelamb [3d\]: looks like there's a fair amount of bad aji if he doesn't answer
Practise [2k\]: Wi F11 huh
]
;W[hk]C[andrewgr [3k\]: it's not like j9 made black any points anyway, so responding to it is no great loss
Soromon [1d\]: he can catch j9 later anyway
Tetriste [1d\]: t6
gogogogo8 [4d\]: B5 big
charkysan [-\]: can b surround n10?
Practise [2k\]: In yose I hear sente is the thing.
charkysan [-\]: double sente better yet
SergeyASh [9k\]: may be b plan - kill q6-r11 groups?
Soromon [1d\]: b5 bigger than n12?
GotIt [4k?\]: does black have some issues to sit down?
blob [4k\]: double sente is double dutch to me
gogogogo8 [4d\]: yup
barty [1d\]: n12 huge now
Kostas [?\]: sitting is for weaklings
KORTAZAR [5k?\]: g5 & f11 
scwizard [8k\]: isntead of J9
scwizard [8k\]: why not?
gogogogo8 [4d\]: Also, locally, N11 is better. :)
Practise [2k\]: Oh, black is Mingjiu Jiang
kutjyf: i lik en11 better to
goahead [?\]: b h6 and then k7
blueshoe [2k\]: N11 is glaring!
Anthony22 [2k\]: i think b is fine
blob [4k\]: growling even
Practise [2k\]: What is correct sequence for N11?
blueshoe [2k\]: n11... resign
Kostas [?\]: there's no correct sequence for n11
Kostas [?\]: it's just wrong
maher140 [4k\]: lol
kutjyf: n11 u dont get cut
scwizard [8k\]: f11 f10 h12 g12 h13 g13 h14 h15 f14 g16 e10 d11
scwizard [8k\]: e10 would be a vicious cut there
mw2a [1k\]: i count w+4
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu sighs and shakes his head several times
]
;B[hh]C[Soromon [1d\]: o.O
Anthony22 [2k\]: hehe whys that?
horacelamb [3d\]: err
Soromon [1d\]: g12
Practise [2k\]: scw, white is very alive
Rochedale [10k\]: ?
SixtyNine [1d\]: why
maher140 [4k\]: g12
Anthony22 [2k\]: oh err..
scwizard [8k\]: practise yes but w is messy in the center now
GotIt [4k?\]: H15
barty [1d\]: h15 
scwizard [8k\]: and has a cumbersome shape
GotIt [4k?\]: doesn't work
jpt463 [6k\]: double atari
goahead [?\]: h15
pacman1 [3k\]: he wants to take liberties away from H 11
scwizard [8k\]: jpt463: but if b takes the 3 stones
GotIt [4k?\]: said it first
Tetriste [1d\]: there<s probably something with s10 not being 100% alive if it gets cut off
go4fun2010 [3k\]: seems doesn't work
Soromon [1d\]: black just play this to get h18 in sente maybe?
Anthony22 [2k\]: oh i see
GotIt [4k?\]: ©
charkysan [-\]: either g12 or h15 works i think for w
scwizard [8k\]: err if w takes the 3 stones
scwizard [8k\]: then w dies in teh corner
scwizard [8k\]: err on the side
SixtyNine [1d\]: there is a tesuji
scwizard [8k\]: so w must atari and take H14
scwizard [8k\]: then b can cut
MoonWalker [2d\]: he cant even get h18 in sente
kutjyf: dont understand this move seems aji keshi
horacelamb [3d\]: yeah
Practise [2k\]: Creates cut aji?
gogogogo8 [4d\]: Final blow, R5 group is in danger...
Lyon [2d\]: H15 seems easy here
Practise [2k\]: With H6, F11 perhaps
Kostas [?\]: yeah i think this makes f14 sente so black can f11
Kostas [?\]: i guess
Practise [2k\]: Or timesuji, what is the clock?
pacman1 [3k\]: he wants to take liberties thats all
barty [1d\]: h12 is plaed because this should be just played
barty [1d\]: thats all
phoo [3k\]: g18
]
;W[gb]C[horacelamb [3d\]: wow good call
]
;B[ga]C[Lyon [2d\]: seems bad
horacelamb [3d\]: I don't get it though
gogogogo8 [4d\]: ko again...
barty [1d\]: g18 riski ?
scwizard [8k\]: crazy stuff
Lyon [2d\]: if he connects then H14
Lyon [2d\]: if not he's losing points ?
Practise [2k\]: W can live as a threat at any time
goahead [?\]: w g18??
Anthony22 [2k\]: why g18?
Onaep [6k\]: g12 for W wasn't beter?
phoo [3k\]: ko to alive
Practise [2k\]: He plays this ko while it is sente?
horacelamb [3d\]: it's not though
Lyon [2d\]: H15 was life
Kostas [?\]: black h18 would be severe
Practise [2k\]: White cannot die from the ko
horacelamb [3d\]: g12 just lives
lyonis: this is the final ko
charkysan [-\]: why play ko to live when he could have lived without a ko?  i don't get it
Tetriste [1d\]: h15 still life
lyonis: oh yeah g12
lyonis: G12 works
Practise [2k\]: sente
scwizard [8k\]: i have no idea what's going on
lyonis: G12 works
lakidazkal [8k\]: lost a point there
Lyon [2d\]: yeah basically just costing himself points here
Practise [2k\]: If white lives first, this is not sente
GotIt [4k?\]: the entire game was about ko :(
Anthony22 [2k\]: if he still has to play h15 then g18 seems pointless
maher140 [4k\]: play g12 ;p g18 is weird lol
Practise [2k\]: Don't worry, I will shut up
Lyon [2d\]: yeah this seems like a mistake
Practise [2k\]: Sorry for bothering you
Soromon [1d\]: both players still 10min basic time
horacelamb [3d\]: both b and w seem to understand why h12 and g18 made sense though
Soromon [1d\]: before byo-yomi
scwizard [8k\]: someone said N7 was in danger
scwizard [8k\]: that doesn't make any sense
Lyon [2d\]: it's not
]
;W[gh]C[Selere [13k\]: this game still has a long way to go
maher140 [4k\]: lol....
Lyon [2d\]: just cost himself points
horacelamb [3d\]: why not this to begin with?
Lyon [2d\]: that was silly
Lyon [2d\]: yeah
horacelamb [3d\]: wtf was g18?
Tetriste [1d\]: ...
maher140 [4k\]: g18 is -1 point?
Anthony22 [2k\]: more
Lyon [2d\]: potentially more
phoo [3k\]: it's noy work
Lyon [2d\]: depends who gets h18
phoo [3k\]: not
Severdija [3k?\]: g18 nice tesuji
Kostas [?\]: i think this is more sentish for white, no?
horacelamb [3d\]: what does g18 do?
USGO1 [-\]: The clock just said white has 10 mins basic time left (I think it was in Korean)
Sandpiper [6k\]: w alive now
Tetriste [1d\]: I said n7 in danger, we<ll see what happens
Anthony22 [2k\]: sente matter less now
barty [1d\]: g18 bot so important now
goahead [?\]: h6
Practise [2k\]: thanks usgo
barty [1d\]: h18 for white to small
go4fun2010 [3k\]: seem w has the game
barty [1d\]: and not in sente even
cherisse [?\]: just came in
phoo [3k\]: finally , result is KO
barty [1d\]: no ko
horacelamb [3d\]: no...
blob [4k\]: double k.o.
horacelamb [3d\]: there you go
Soromon [1d\]: no ko, black catches a stone to connect out or make 2nd eye
barty [1d\]: yea tr4iple ko maybe
barty [1d\]: ;P
mw2a [1k\]: h13 g13 h14 h15 f14 g16 f11 f10 e10 d11 f9 g10 h8 g8 j8 
maher140 [4k\]: lol... i think some people need to work on their reading
]
;B[jm]C[Kostas [?\]: please longer sequence
mw2a [1k\]: b wants to use this aji
barty [1d\]: h6
Tetriste [1d\]: k7???
barty [1d\]: k7 wrong i think
Tetriste [1d\]: I wouldn't have started there
GotIt [4k?\]: b doesn't want to resign!
GotIt [4k?\]: TO THE DEATH!
goahead [?\]: k7 good
barty [1d\]: h6 first should blAck
Anthony22 [2k\]: maybe a tesuji lol
SergeyASh [9k\]: b threat kill p7-s9 ?
mw2a [1k\]: w needs to capture stone
pacman1 [3k\]: thats why u are 1d
Tetriste [1d\]: w needs to live
charkysan [-\]: why should b resign when it's still a close game?
go4fun2010 [3k\]: h6
mw2a [1k\]: or respond
goahead [?\]: if w defend left group, b can h6
blob [4k\]: b should get me a beer
lekien [7k\]: w want kill p6 then s7
mw2a [1k\]: locally
solei: n 12
Tetriste [1d\]: s5
Lyon [2d\]: S7, R7, i don't see the chances there
barty [1d\]: h6 need white now
barty [1d\]: k7 sente 
scwizard [8k\]: s5 can't be more than 4 points gote
barty [1d\]: but g6 should first maybe
Kostas [?\]: i like h6
scwizard [8k\]: right?
barty [1d\]: h6 i mean
MoonWalker [2d\]: t10 to kill w's eye shape
Soromon [1d\]: If black takes h6 first then white wedges at k6, sacrifices two stones at L4L5 and steals sente
mw2a [1k\]: scwizard, the game is close
horacelamb [3d\]: h6 is necessary...
scwizard [8k\]: yes but its not time for gote endgame yet
Tetriste [1d\]: then there<s a problem for w
mw2a [1k\]: yes, h6 best response for w
Tetriste [1d\]: h6 t6 ?
cherisse [?\]: why not black h13?
Lyon [2d\]: h15
MoonWalker [2d\]: if w h6, then b t10 is enough
Tetriste [1d\]: ok
Onaep [6k\]: why h13 cher?
Lyon [2d\]: i'm still not convinced
Selere [13k\]: i wish i was good enough to understand these move talks :(
Sandpiper [6k\]: black h13 is fruitless
Tetriste [1d\]: I don't think b would've played this way if there was nothing 
GotIt [4k?\]: b T10
meli7 [1k\]: h13 g13 h14 h15, double atari
GotIt [4k?\]: are you serious man?
pacman1 [3k\]: nobody understands those move talks
barty [1d\]: if t10 then white have k8 
Tetriste [1d\]: I am serious when I sayd w in danger there
Lyon [2d\]: we just throw out coordinates and hope we sound smart
cjalden [2k\]: especially people making the comments
Selere [13k\]: sounds about right
horacelamb [3d\]: lyon is right
lyonis: hehe
hasen [12k\]: is s11 alive yet?
cherisse [?\]: Onaep [6k\]: why h13 cher? < to capture w stones lol (as if mingjiu would miss that)
snakeeater [1k\]: is this live?
GotIt [4k?\]: <-- not hopinh
GotIt [4k?\]: g
GotIt [4k?\]: actually i'm right :x
pacman1 [3k\]: take a look " get strong at .. kibitz  " at senseis . then u will know what is going here
blob [4k\]: k9?
USGO1 [-\]: the clock says white is down to 5 mins
cherisse [?\]: can't when i'm eating at my office desk...
Imp20 [3k\]: is there a video feed of this game?
mw2a [1k\]: h11 was losing move perhaps
Lyon [2d\]: no
Lyon [2d\]: just commentary about it
]
;W[jl]
;B[hn]C[Nation [4k\]: hmm
pacman1 [3k\]: !
Lyon [2d\]: oh god, poor white
Lyon [2d\]: he's doomed
]
;W[km]
;B[jn]C[Soromon [1d\]: black really wants to cut off the r6 stones
Tetriste [1d\]: k8 not the most "I make points" way to answer k7 I think
goahead [?\]: w be careful
barty [1d\]: no and
Soromon [1d\]: g6 no choice?
Lyon [2d\]: he's doomed
barty [1d\]: end for white now
Selere [13k\]: Ten different ways to express your desire for a ko fight - without requiring any understanding of what a fight would mean or its significance! Get straight to the action with the "ko ko" kibitz chant!
mw2a [1k\]: pretty sure white has lost now
GotIt [4k?\]: w m7 was so bad ko threat
goahead [?\]: g6 no good
]
;W[gn]C[blob [4k\]: .....why's that?
blob [4k\]: well... let's see
pacman1 [3k\]: ko ko ko ----- ko ko ko ----
Practise [2k\]: Atar if black j8
pacman1 [3k\]: G7
Practise [2k\]: So fine
Tetriste [1d\]: f11 ^
goahead [?\]: j8
GotIt [4k?\]: g5
Selere [13k\]: How to demonstrate that you're much stronger than mid-kyu by predicting the co-ordinates of the next high-dan move without any explanation or qualification - and how to keep a low profile on those rare occasions when you're completely wrong!
Selere [13k\]: hehe
GotIt [4k?\]: 7
goahead [?\]: j8 no good
Lyon [2d\]: some fun aji at F11 if white captured H18
GotIt [4k?\]: g7!
Tetriste [1d\]: f11 no good either
GotIt [4k?\]: seems the best
pacman1 [3k\]: see selere ... good book
Lyon [2d\]: with h18 there is aji at f11
Selere [13k\]: very good :P
GotIt [4k?\]: stfi selere, go play some games, you're the one mid kyu :x
Selere [13k\]: i understand now
pacman1 [3k\]: in fact H 6 was too slow
Lyon [2d\]: nah, whtie doomed now
Lyon [2d\]: resign in 17 moves
horacelamb [3d\]: you sure?
SixtyNine [1d\]: how white doom
horacelamb [3d\]: haha
Selere [13k\]: am i supposed to be insulted that im a mid-level kyu?
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong has really had a great poker face throughout the whole game
Tetriste [1d\]: g18 is to capture h16 in sente if w was forced to capture it
adamb1 [12k?\]: you can be online with multiple accounts and predict a move with each one
scwizard [8k\]: how is white doomed?
GotIt [4k?\]: of course selere
Lyon [2d\]: yeah, you're right tetriste, found that out when i tried the f11 sequence
GotIt [4k?\]: seems obvious :/
maher140 [4k\]: i count w up by about 5
horacelamb [3d\]: very complicated but w looks okay
goahead [?\]: k9
Imp20 [3k\]: funny video commentary of the game... but not of the actual game =/
dingliang [3k\]: is whit etop alive?
pacman1 [3k\]: w is behind
Lyon [2d\]: white top is alive
Tetriste [1d\]: l9 
Tetriste [1d\]: l9 l8 n9 ?
SergeyASh [9k\]: why w g18 instead h19 ?
Lyon [2d\]: god can't wait til main time is done
Lyon [2d\]: and they have to start playing fast
yertel: top is not alive yet
goahead [?\]: k9 works for b
Severdija [3k?\]: seems if g5 w must give way (f6)
Murn [2d\]: yes to it alive
Murn [2d\]: top
scwizard [8k\]: why doesn't w play N12?
dingliang [3k\]: who is ahead now
maher140 [4k\]: it's 100% alive
scwizard [8k\]: it seems big
Lyon [2d\]: hasn't had the time yet
lyonis: who wins?
Tetriste [1d\]: because w needs the time to play it
Lyon [2d\]: neither of them have
Murn [2d\]: it's afrankenstein
USGO1 [-\]: the clock says (in chinese) that black now has 10 mins left
lyonis: WHO IS WINNING?
Murn [2d\]: w winning
Lyon [2d\]: move 169 b+r, calling it now
Tetriste [1d\]: I like my sequence
blob [4k\]: i am winning too
maher140 [4k\]: i count w up by about 5
lyonis: he beat the 7p?
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong checks his opponent's time to see what the clock said
Anthony22 [2k\]: i think b win
lyonis: he just beat the 9p? omg
pacman1 [3k\]: this isnt tetris
lyonis: the 7p i mean
lyonis: xD
Murn [2d\]: b5 seems big
Murn [2d\]: after n12
Lyon [2d\]: yeah
Tetriste [1d\]: why not l9 l8 n9 
Lyon [2d\]: seems fine
]
;B[hg]C[pacman1 [3k\]: cause its YOUR sequence
Tetriste [1d\]: :/
Lyon [2d\]: he's going for it!
yertel: top looks ko
Murn [2d\]: g13
Lyon [2d\]: more about the g7 area i think
pacman1 [3k\]: yes 4 sure KO
]
;W[he]C[Murn [2d\]: no ko
SixtyNine [1d\]: nothing ko about top
maher140 [4k\]: w is alive at top
]
;B[fi]C[Tetriste [1d\]: yes ko
pacman1 [3k\]: KO
USGO1 [-\]: since the clock is speaking Chinese and Korean, it'll be difficult for me to keep track of the byo-yomi periods
SixtyNine [1d\]: weak 3k
Murn [2d\]: no ko
Lyon [2d\]: this is all about  g7
Anthony22 [2k\]: lol usgo
horacelamb [3d\]: i guess this is what b was aiming for all along
pacman1 [3k\]: ko
horacelamb [3d\]: but I still don't see how it works
scwizard [8k\]: I r confuzled
scwizard [8k\]: what's going on?
scwizard [8k\]: w blocks then?
Lyon [2d\]: atari
Lyon [2d\]: atari
Lyon [2d\]: cut
horacelamb [3d\]: I would
lyonis: atari
lyonis: atari
lyonis: cut
Tetriste [1d\]: no choice but to block
SixtyNine [1d\]: atari terrible
SixtyNine [1d\]: block
Severdija [3k?\]: i thought b had to start with g5
]
;W[fj]
;B[gg]
;W[gd]
;B[hb]C[Lyon [2d\]: i was talking about after the atari
horacelamb [3d\]: if he doesn't block then he might as well resign
Lyon [2d\]: oh wow
Soromon [1d\]: n12
pacman1 [3k\]: ??
horacelamb [3d\]: what?
lyonis: haha
pacman1 [3k\]: H 18 
SixtyNine [1d\]: n12 can be replied with n11
Lyon [2d\]: now G5
USGO1 [-\]: white has one minute left -- the clock says (I think)
Lyon [2d\]: or something
Lyon [2d\]: then N12/11
scwizard [8k\]: what is H18?
]
;W[il]C[Soromon [1d\]: o11 then
scwizard [8k\]: I thoguht b had to atari atari and cut now
Lyon [2d\]: had to play it
SergeyASh [9k\]: ?
Anthony22 [2k\]: opened a random game? whats going on lol
Lyon [2d\]: big points now
]
;B[bo]
;W[co]C[scwizard [8k\]: if b didn't h18 then what happens?
Soromon [1d\]: $cash$
mw2a [1k\]: b wins
pacman1 [3k\]: ehm who said that B 5?
Lyon [2d\]: he gets cut
Tetriste [1d\]: ok this is big
Lyon [2d\]: at e17
]
;B[mi]C[charkysan [-\]: still close game
Anthony22 [2k\]: yaaa
Soromon [1d\]: B is pulling it back
Severdija [3k?\]: :)
lyonis: now b wins
horacelamb [3d\]: b got the two biggest remaining points though
scwizard [8k\]: b wins?
]
;W[lj]C[lyonis: B WINS NOW
SixtyNine [1d\]: b ahead by 2.5 or something like that
lyonis: whit N11
maher140 [4k\]: disagree
pacman1 [3k\]: agree
lyonis: agree 2
maher140 [4k\]: i meant with lyonis
Murn [2d\]: o10
scwizard [8k\]: can't believe b pulled it off
]
;B[oa]C[scwizard [8k\]: wow
]
;W[pa]
;B[na]C[lyonis: s19 is sente
AgntCooper [6k\]: nah SE says its whites game
lyonis: this is a mess
Illyria [?\]: SE is wrong
]
;W[ra]C[Illyria [?\]: AGA rules
lyonis: b have a better yose
bluetable [-\]: wow b is in no hurry it seems
pacman1 [3k\]: agree not with maher140
GotIt [4k?\]: m4
lyonis: M11 
lyonis: for sure
USGO1 [-\]: white starts byo-yomi and changes his clock to speak in english (yay)
key3 [8k\]: ama about to beat pro!? whos leading
Lyon [2d\]: damn one more move for my prediction
lyonis: M11 is needed to much
lyonis: 5 pts
Tetriste [1d\]: whats wrong with a6
Selere [13k\]: how long is byo-yomi?
]
;B[an]
;W[am]
;B[ao]
;W[bm]C[Soromon [1d\]: 60sec 5 periods
horacelamb [3d\]: looks like b probably does win
]
;B[ro]
;W[rn]C[key3 [8k\]: does SE count handicaps?
Selere [13k\]: why no monkey jump?
Lyon [2d\]: what ?
Imp20 [3k\]: gote
solei: k9
scwizard [8k\]: m11?
Lyon [2d\]: big moves at O9 and M11 areas
lyonis: M11 now
horacelamb [3d\]: i vote m11
lyonis: i vote too
Anthony22 [2k\]: m11 
Tetriste [1d\]: o11^
lyonis: i bet one ball in m11
]
;B[li]C[snakeeater [1k\]: H5
key3 [8k\]: m11 is so big
lyonis: ball safe
]
;W[lp]
;B[mp]C[lyonis: ;)
Tetriste [1d\]: w is sad
lyonis: b pwned him in yose
key3 [8k\]: why? its close..
Oriandon [17k\]: White's winning though.
]
;W[nj]C[USGO1 [-\]: black has 5 mins left
Anthony22 [2k\]: k9 
pacman1 [3k\]: not oriandon
lyonis: L10
scwizard [8k\]: i thoguht b was winning
lyonis: L10 is the only move
Imp20 [3k\]: super close
Krahsetihw [9k\]: hi
AgntCooper [6k\]: no look at SE, white by 2.5
AgntCooper [6k\]: clear
horacelamb [3d\]: k/l 9?"
Tetriste [1d\]: SE not good 
HowAbout [3d\]: k9?
lyonis: L10 is better
lyonis: k9 bad
scwizard [8k\]: b spending the time counting
Anthony22 [2k\]: l9 ?
scwizard [8k\]: wonder what b counts
Soromon [1d\]: ahhhhhhhh it's gonna be a close one
goahead [?\]: b is ahead now
Oriandon [17k\]: How is black ahead?
maher140 [4k\]: winner is decided by endgame
]
;B[ni]C[charkysan [-\]: b has been ahead a long time, but not by much
horacelamb [3d\]: b+4 maybe?
]
;W[ja]C[Oriandon [17k\]: What about the left side?
pacman1 [3k\]: by surrounding more points than white
Illyria [?\]: yeah, it's super close
Oriandon [17k\]: That's a lot of territory.
goahead [?\]: about 4 points 
Soromon [1d\]: wtf?!
scwizard [8k\]: interesting
Soromon [1d\]: J10 for white
dogbert [3d\]: aiming ko
scwizard [8k\]: sets up H19?
kutjyf: ko yes
]
;B[la]C[lyonis: KO
pacman1 [3k\]: finally
pacman1 [3k\]: KO
]
;W[ha]
;B[ia]C[lyonis: ko
yertel: soromon, pls mind your psnqs
lyonis: KO
lyonis: i like to say KO
lyonis: is fun
]
;W[is]
;B[ks]C[SixtyNine [1d\]: this was the ko you were talking about
]
;W[ha]
;B[gb]C[pacman1 [3k\]: KO KO KO i can say that three times
scwizard [8k\]: no ko :P
lyonis: NO MORE KO :(
TomS [1d\]: and it's gone
Oriandon [17k\]: black didn't want any of that.
Oriandon [17k\]: Hahaha
basicpract [-\]: one point in sente
lyonis: it was a bluff only
maher140 [4k\]: j10 is looking mighty good 
ErikE [5k\]: b +1.5!!
charkysan [-\]: don't be a ko ko nut
go5go [3k\]: my rough count is 102.5 for white and 119 for black ? 
]
;W[ec]
;B[eb]
;W[ed]
;B[fc]C[dingliang [3k\]: lol how doyou figure that
basicpract [-\]: what rule set?
maher140 [4k\]: aga
go5go [3k\]: may be i am missing something :P
Krahsetihw [9k\]: I JUST JOINED, WHO WON?
Tetriste [1d\]: w may actually win by 0.5
Selere [13k\]: AGA rules kiddies
go5go [3k\]: ah aga... 
]
;W[ij]C[SergeyASh [9k\]: h14 
Tetriste [1d\]: smells like 0.5 game
go5go [3k\]: well that's if the count is japanese ^^
lyonis: w won
lyonis: heheh
lyonis: gg
pacman1 [3k\]: i said that before w+0,5
horacelamb [3d\]: I hope white wins
Oriandon [17k\]: White wins.
lyonis: i hope w wins too
Oriandon [17k\]: :D
charkysan [-\]: w cannot c16 because of shortage of libs
lyonis: im hoping for w
horacelamb [3d\]: but I still think b is a little ahead
maher140 [4k\]: i hope w wins ;p
goahead [?\]: very close
Selere [13k\]: its not over till its over
lyonis: i hope w wins
Imp20 [3k\]: l10
SergeyASh [9k\]: SE w +2 
ErikE [5k\]: oh, I let b keep j9 this could change my estimate
BrockGo [-\]: W Q7 threatens 9, or?
BrockGo [-\]: *J9
BrockGo [-\]: *P9
scwizard [8k\]: I thoguht w had a bigger move than that
NotTengen [4k\]: when are people gonna learn SE is not perfect?
go5go [3k\]: ah i missed a section for black ^^ heh silly me
]
;B[jj]
;W[jk]
;B[kj]C[ErikE [5k\]: I didn't use SE
]
;W[kk]C[eatramen [-\]: who is winning?
Samui [2k\]: my count say 1.5 points to white
SergeyASh [9k\]: o8 ?
USGO1 [-\]: black has 1 min left
Imp20 [3k\]: m5
Soromon [1d\]: W+0.5, but he may lose b/c of pass-stone rule if he can't win the ko on top.
ErikE [5k\]: after eating j9 I have to say 0.5+-bw
ErikE [5k\]: as in, very close
Samui [2k\]: o0
pacman1 [3k\]: In the opening, when you don't know what to play, make a shimari. 
Samui [2k\]: o9
]
;B[qm]
;W[rm]C[lyonis: H5
Oriandon [17k\]: t19
Oriandon [17k\]: t19!
lyonis: T19 dont works
]
;B[nl]C[Tetriste [1d\]: :(
]
;W[ml]C[Anthony22 [2k\]: b by .5
Oriandon [17k\]: p9?
lyonis: sry 
pushcut [1d\]: t19 is just a ladder breaker for the seki at e10
lyonis: whata
go5go [3k\]: b by 4.5 
]
;B[ho]
;W[go]C[Tetriste [1d\]: m5 
Samui [2k\]: no black is crazy ^
Tetriste [1d\]: nvm
Samui [2k\]: in sente
Tetriste [1d\]: m5 nothing
]
;B[lo]C[USGO1 [-\]: both are in byo-yomi now
Imp20 [3k\]: its sente 1 pt
blob [4k\]: nothing played
]
;W[jp]
;B[fs]
;W[gs]
;B[ds]C[scwizard [8k\]: q7 2 pt sente?
scwizard [8k\]: for w?
]
;W[cd]
;B[ad]C[Imp20 [3k\]: q7 1 pt sente or 2 pt gote
ErikE [5k\]: see w can c16
Tetriste [1d\]: b gotta play o5 later
Imp20 [3k\]: depends on if w answers at p9
basicpract [-\]: pushcut, e10 is clearly not seki... and would not need a ladder breaker!
pacman1 [3k\]: A knight's move near the edge of the board cannot be cut. 
Tetriste [1d\]: thats why I said it was nothing
]
;W[oj]C[Anthony22 [2k\]: O_O
go5go [3k\]: odd
pushcut [1d\]: basicpract: You just don't know how to use sushi
Anthony22 [2k\]: a14 
SixtyNine [1d\]: a14
go5go [3k\]: a 14? 
pozz [9d\]: A14?
horacelamb [3d\]: a14 ?
]
;B[di]C[BrockGo [-\]: B A14
]
;W[ej]C[Oriandon [17k\]: a15 is better
go5go [3k\]: WOW 
SixtyNine [1d\]: tew easy
horacelamb [3d\]: lol
horacelamb [3d\]: oh
Remina [-\]: oh noes
go5go [3k\]: big :) 
]
;B[af]C[go5go [3k\]: LOL
lyonis: thats true i will buy sushi for me in market
Anthony22 [2k\]: oh mann....
joeyhung [7d\]: what is balck doing?
scwizard [8k\]: >_>
Tetriste [1d\]: DUH!!!
go5go [3k\]: nasty 
blob [4k\]: @_@
lyonis: lolllllllll
eatramen [-\]: OUCH
lyonis: lOL
scwizard [8k\]: whoops
Anthony22 [2k\]: resign
lyonis: LOL
scwizard [8k\]: gg
Sandpiper [6k\]: ouch
go5go [3k\]: w+r
lyonis: LOL
Oriandon [17k\]: blac kwins
Samui [2k\]: give up
SergeyASh [9k\]: hop!
lyonis: LOL
Illyria [?\]: wow
go5go [3k\]: b+r
Oriandon [17k\]: damn
pacman1 [3k\]: wow
lyonis: LOL
go4fun2010 [3k\]: wow
LEIBNIZ [3k\]: wow
joeyhung [7d\]: ...
charkysan [-\]: there is the shortage of libs i feared earlier
go4fun2010 [3k\]: blunder
joeyhung [7d\]: mean white...
go5go [3k\]: white panicke?
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong seemed caught by surprise
lyonis: ????
Tetriste [1d\]: I<d be so pissed as w hahahah
blob [4k\]: WTF..... Mr. Koh
Sandpiper [6k\]: da end
lyonis: ?????
ErikE [5k\]: oops
Anthony22 [2k\]: lol ill say
scwizard [8k\]: >_>
Selere [13k\]: caught by suprise!
Boardwalk [3d\]: blindness
lyonis: LOL
koticgood [4k\]: lol
mw2a [1k\]: ssssssssaaaaaaaaddddddddddd ending
horacelamb [3d\]: not just a little bit
lyonis: LOL
mw2a [1k\]: :(
USGO1 [-\]: White resigns
BrockGo [-\]: and in sente!!!!!
Soromon [1d\]: !!!!
Selere [13k\]: the blunder of the CENTURY!
maher140 [4k\]: wow...
lyonis: LOL
Selere [13k\]: WHITE RESIGNSSSS
go5go [3k\]: happens
leachy [3k\]: black had won anyways 
inseukim39 [2k\]: game is over
yertel: resign in sente
lyonis: whata a blunder
Samui [2k\]: so white cant play c 16
Hard2Kill [1d\]: embarassing
horacelamb [3d\]: damn
go5go [3k\]: kyu mistake ^^
lyonis: big blunder
Selere [13k\]: juyong throws the board in disgust
LeeSeTroll [3d\]: w was going to lose anyway
Anthony22 [2k\]: darrnnn
SixtyNine [1d\]: tew easy
lyonis: big
lyonis: blunder
Anthony22 [2k\]: no undo's ?
goahead [?\]: just one point
pacman1 [3k\]: kyu mistake ? who said that ?
USGO1 [-\]: they're playing it out to see how close it would have been :)
koticgood [4k\]: doesnt matter, b win anyhow
lyonis: guys
blob [4k\]: "misclick"
go4fun2010 [3k\]: was a close game
lyonis: d10 now
kagom [3d?\]: lol
Oriandon [17k\]: go5go did
lyonis: D10 NOW
USGO1 [-\]: far too fast for me to follow
lyonis: D10
charkysan [-\]: a13
Anthony22 [2k\]: lol come on try!
U96 [1d\]: lol
koticgood [4k\]: b win by like 5 even if w no mistake
Anthony22 [2k\]: jks its ok
Hard2Kill [1d\]: shameful
SSBMeta [11k\]: game over
kagom [3d?\]: awww
lyonis: ahhahahah
charkysan [-\]: why game over?  doesn't a13 work?
Lyon [2d\]: let us know how it would have turned out?
pacman1 [3k\]: r.i.p.
USGO1 [-\]: now they are counting :)
goahead [?\]: w hates himself now
Selere [13k\]: what for?
RyuuGan [1d\]: a13 not working, d10 or c11 
SixtyNine [1d\]: black would've won anyways
Imp20 [3k\]: no if w a13 a14 and the d15 stones are dead
lyonis: HAHAHAHA RESIGN
koticgood [4k\]: b + 4 or 5 unless my count was off, never double checked
Samui [2k\]: the #
Divide [5d\]: did w resign already?
lyonis: resign now
Lyon [2d\]: it's over
Lyon [2d\]: B+R
lyonis: poor w
koticgood [4k\]: w resigned a while ago, they are counting without the mistake
scwizard [8k\]: yes w resigned
Samui [2k\]: count without dead group of d 15
lyonis: omg i cant belive
Anthony22 [2k\]: all the people were saying w would win now swear b was winning
Oriandon [17k\]: white can still do it
Lyon [2d\]: d15 alive
lyonis: w was winning
lyonis: i cant belive
Lyon [2d\]: problem is that A14 is alive
lyonis: ......
pacman1 [3k\]: is there a video link ?
lyonis: i cant belive in this
Oriandon [17k\]: white can still win
koticgood [4k\]: w was not winning, to my count
Severdija [3k?\]: i think k4 should have been at k5 for an extra half point
RyuuGan [1d\]: but d15 isn't dead
RyuuGan [1d\]: xD
Tetriste [1d\]: yeah b had won
AgntCooper [6k\]: im surprised if they dont play it out
blob [4k\]: w's first name should be Rick
Lyon [2d\]: they are
Anthony22 [2k\]: rick fox?
Selere [13k\]: oh goodness
TheCaptain [4d\]: black was 3.5 points ahead, anyway
Archron [3k\]: d10 
Selere [13k\]: what a way to end
Tetriste [1d\]: b was ahead by like 3-4 points after all
horacelamb [3d\]: yeah
Tetriste [1d\]: I can't count in AGA rules -.-
Soromon [1d\]: B+1.5 if it goes down to the end without the error, AGA count
USGO1 [-\]: black would have won the count by a little bit
pacman1 [3k\]: that shit like a 14 always happens to me
Hard2Kill [1d\]: go offline game, and use score tool, newbies..
mw2a [1k\]: ty, USGO
bloodninja [?\]: define a little bit
USGO1 [-\]: B+r
lyonis: game over
lyonis: :(
Selere [13k\]: thank you USGO1
Illyria [?\]: thanks USGO!
Selere [13k\]: your the man
Tetriste [1d\]: thats what I did Hard2Kill duh
lyonis: thx usgo
sweety [-\]: thank you USGO1~
maher140 [4k\]: hmm, i count w + 0.5 after endgame
lyonis: THX usgo
SSBMeta [11k\]: thanks usgo
Anthony22 [2k\]: ty usgo!
lyonis: Thx usgo
pacman1 [3k\]: thank u :)
maher140 [4k\]: but my endgame isn't perfect... soz
maher140 [4k\]: yeah
maher140 [4k\]: thanks
Selere [13k\]: thank you dennis wheeler
Selere [13k\]: ;P
blob [4k\]: w is going to wake up in the middle of the night sweating and screaming
Tetriste [1d\]: thats still a frustrating ending for w -.-
scwizard [8k\]: eh w would have lost anyway
pacman1 [3k\]: 4 sure blob :)
U96 [1d\]: x)
koticgood [4k\]: yes, "why didnt i lose by 1.5 instead of resign?!?!?!?!?!" nightmare
papygogo [5k\]: isn't C11 not better before D10 ?
blob [4k\]: i had w ahead by 0.5..
koticgood [4k\]: count again
blob [4k\]: nah... tired :(
eatramen [-\]: POOR W
cadillac [5d?\]: YEAH MINGJIUUUUU
koticgood [4k\]: well, remember it's aga rules, so you need to view offline and change things up if you want to use se instead of counting
sankojingz [1k\]: w resigned
lyonis: its over 9000
wongyjongy: can't believe
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