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RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[5400]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
GN[NAIM Round 1 Board 1 - Mingjiu Jiang 7p (w) vs Calvin Sun 7d (b)]PW[Minjiu Jiang]PB[Calvin Sun]WR[7p]BR[7d]DT[2011-07-31]EV[2011 North America Ing Masters]RO[1]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Dennis Wheeler]C[mw2a [1k\]: hi
noobienoob [3k\]: first
Anthony12 [17k\]: second
noobienoob [3k\]: lol
Anthony12 [17k\]: hah
noobienoob [3k\]: im the first one to type in the chat i feel so special
laaa: lol
noobienoob [3k\]: :DDDDD
Anthony12 [17k\]: i feel second
laaa: ur not the first
Anthony12 [17k\]: mwah
laaa: mw2a is the first
noobienoob [3k\]: DAMIT!
noobienoob [3k\]: fjklew;jekwl;fj3oiq2f
laaa: muhah
noobienoob [3k\]: but i called first
Anthony12 [17k\]: i got second
cugel [1k\]: mingjiu !!
laaa: OH 
laaa: he is 7p
cugel [1k\]: he's gonna punish !!
Wiggum [5k\]: oh here we go
cugel [1k\]: the joy...
ikewa [9k\]: 7p vs 7d
laaa: big game
ikewa [9k\]: hm has 7d any chance?
laaa: yea
cugel [1k\]: this one, no
laaa: why not?
lyt [5k\]: is the live video online anywhere
laaa: he have chanses..
Brilliant [5k\]: Andy Liu beat Minjiu at least twice.
cugel [1k\]: u saw him play ?
cugel [1k\]: cause this is not Liu :-)
budbud [15k\]: when does this start??
mw2a [1k\]: andy liu and jie li are exceptionally strong ama
laaa: where can i watch the video?
compendium [?\]: and yet neither of them are at this congress
compendium [?\]: clearly this tournament is flawed
Brilliant [5k\]: My point is that it is reasonably possible for Minjiu to be beaten by AGA 7d.
USGO1 [-\]: Welcome to the AGA E-Journal's live coverage of the 2011 North American Masters tournament at the US Go Congress in Santa Barbara, CA.  This is round 1, board 1.  I'm Dennis Wheeler, your game recorder this evening
hvk [-\]: hi\\
Gilluled [7k\]: Mingjiu is very strong, and very good at joseki
joey [4k\]: agreed
StoneTiger [3d\]: has the game not started yet?
laaa: how w will play this game?
laaa: solid?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: 7p playing, gonna be awesome!!!
BobWhoosta [1k\]: w+res??
appleseeds [?\]: student vs sensei, cool
laaa: w is reading about 250 moves ahead
laaa: he is almost in yose
ikewa [9k\]: ))
cugel [1k\]: i've seen mingjiu punish so many, and i've seen b play, so get ready for some serious spanking...
sfdsa: can we see this live?
sfdsa: like... is there a stream?
laaa: here is the stram for i watch?
laaa: where is 
virtuoso [3k\]: HELLO everyone
KinoNoTabi [?\]: anyone know when the game will begin?
mw2a [1k\]: i think andy liu might be in japan, he is competing in the lg cup in august
laaa: 7p 
zc3k [1k\]: uh oh 7p
LeeTekSum [3d\]: come on, let's play
KinoNoTabi [?\]: damn i don't want to leave in case i miss the beginning
USGO1 [-\]: the players are at the table and waiting to hear the go ahead from the TD
sfdsa: soi is there no stream?
palladium [-\]: no video
]RE[W+4.50]BW[7p]WB[7d]
;B[pd]C[laaa: first move 
]
;W[dd]C[LeeTekSum [3d\]: who's black?
Brilliant [5k\]: Mirror Go D:
laaa: i fell the pressure 
laaa: w pressure
laaa: ....
]
;B[pq]C[cugel [1k\]: yes
cugel [1k\]: punish game
laaa: e3
]
;W[dp]
;B[fq]C[virtuoso [3k\]: 白棋是 江鸣久
laaa: wow 2 hoshi
kungming [3k\]: white must punish and correct black's joseki mistakes
LeeTekSum [3d\]: I ask who's black
LeeTekSum [3d\]: not who's white
]
;W[cn]
;B[jp]C[laaa: he is going to play r6
braincrash [?\]: look at the title
laaa: ?
Wiggum [5k\]: this opening..
mw2a [1k\]: is standard?
laaa: yes
laaa: easy opening
LeeTekSum [3d\]: what's his kgs name?
kungming [3k\]: koba beef opening
Wiggum [5k\]: R6.
]
;W[qn]C[Scriby [1k\]: R6
Wiggum [5k\]: Q5
laaa: i told r6 first , you guys dont need copy my moves
mw2a [1k\]: this opening has eaten the most hot dogs
]
;B[qp]C[Wiggum [5k\]: hmmm?
kungming [3k\]: Q5 R4 both posible
Wiggum [5k\]: fair
laaa: q10
kungming [3k\]: ah R4 method
kungming [3k\]: R9
cugel [1k\]: yes, R5 is the chicken way
]
;W[pj]C[laaa: im pro
kungming [3k\]: fast
laaa: :-)
]
;B[qh]C[laaa: p6
]
;W[on]C[mw2a [1k\]: la, please don't troll
laaa: :-)
]
;B[pm]
;W[pn]
;B[mp]
;W[rj]C[cugel [1k\]: mingjiu is threatening to invade
MrSnouty [3d?\]: Looks like b doing o.k. so far.
kungming [3k\]: S20 is something i havent seen b4
mw2a [1k\]: yes, s20 very odd indeed
Scriby [1k\]: s10 feels slow
kungming [3k\]: *10
jezork [3d\]: all very standard
LeeTekSum [3d\]: black is a little impatient
]
;B[fc]C[laaa: k16
seishiro [1k\]: do they have a live video feed in euro go tv?
mw2a [1k\]: no
vacarsu [12k\]: this is not euro go lol
virtuoso [3k\]: there is no s20
MrSnouty [3d?\]: To play this many moves against mingjiu and not be behind yet is playing well :-).
ikewa [9k\]: but the other board has a link
cugel [1k\]: it's old time joseki
ikewa [9k\]: 1p vs 1p
cugel [1k\]: not much thinking
MrSnouty [3d?\]: 1p?  Mingjiu is 7p.
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu leans his head on his hand while he's thinking about his next move
MrSnouty [3d?\]: w r14?
]
;W[hc]C[Gilluled [7k\]: I played mingjiu last week, my losing move was move 7
Theo93 [5k\]: oh wow i thought it said 7d vs 7d didn't notice the "p" hahaha
laaa: the p chanses everything
LeeTekSum [3d\]: How old is Mingjiu, USGO? 85?
laaa: changes*
Theo93 [5k\]: yep >.<
laaa: 85?
MrSnouty [3d?\]: Mingjiu is much younger than that.
noobienoob [3k\]: yes
laaa: he looks like 40
noobienoob [3k\]: hes not that old....
USGO1 [-\]: Calvin twiddles a couple of stones between his fingers on the table
MrSnouty [3d?\]: I would guesss late 40s or early 50s.
LeeTekSum [3d\]: he's been playing since i was 40
KinoNoTabi [?\]: how old is calvin sun?
laaa: black is going to play c17 or e15? lets bet..
noobienoob [3k\]: can someone give me the live tournament link for this?
LeeTekSum [3d\]: tell Calvin to stop please
mw2a [1k\]: <17
Illyria [?\]: the internet says mingjiu was born in 1957, so someone else do the math
Illyria [?\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?JiangMingjiu
MoonCrash [3k\]: is this live or a replay?
noobienoob [3k\]: live i think
USGO1 [-\]: Calvin is 14
ikewa [9k\]: 54
icewater [2d?\]: yeah live
noobienoob [3k\]: is there the live link
NOCAPS [1d\]: is there a video stream?
mw2a [1k\]: no
Brilliant [5k\]: That makes Mingjiu about 12 times Calvin's age.
noobienoob [3k\]: i mean video stream?
LeeTekSum [3d\]: 14 vs. 54
icewater [2d?\]: unfortunately no video stream, it would be on eurogotv if it was up
mw2a [1k\]: 12*14=54, yup
cugel [1k\]: which gives b virtually no chance ^^
]
;B[nc]C[icewater [2d?\]: it was up for this morning's game
tinytim: LOL
seishiro [1k\]: true 
laaa: i dont like o17
ikewa [9k\]: 12*14=54?/
ikewa [9k\]: ??
noobienoob [3k\]: me neither
SunnyD [2d\]: o17 spectacular move!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
Scriby [1k\]: what's wrong with o17?
tinytim: 12+14=54 i think
mw2a [1k\]: sunnyd, refrain from trolling
laaa: it let f17 alone
USGO5 [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
laaa: so i dont like the tenuki
noobienoob [3k\]: THANK YOU USGO5
SunnyD [2d\]: mw2a, game comment please
Scriby [1k\]: b can still make sabaki after F16
blob [4k\]: what does sabaki even mean?
joey [4k\]: small life
]
;W[cf]C[googlebear [3k\]: no
Scriby [1k\]: basically get value out of the stone, usually involving some good moves
Stoneflow [-\]: light shape right?
noobienoob [3k\]: wait is this the live?
blob [4k\]: thanks.....
googlebear [3k\]: sabaki means   flesibility   fighting shape
whuang [2k\]: ^^
googlebear [3k\]: flexibility
laaa: who is that girl?
compendium [?\]: this is an interesting live stream 
laaa: :)
USGO5 [-\]: Live commentary starting momentarily
noobienoob [3k\]: oh
goren2 [5k\]: g16?
noobienoob [3k\]: i see
mw2a [1k\]: by whom?
kungming [3k\]: what is the time seeting? 2.5hours per plr too?
ikewa [9k\]: real commentary/
]
;B[cq]C[cugel [1k\]: Jiang is preparing the attack
SunnyD [2d\]: who is commenting?
laaa: where is the video of the pro playing?
Brilliant [5k\]: A lot of people are going to be very disappointed if Mingjiu loses.
LeeTekSum [3d\]: c3 is tooooo early
]
;W[dq]
;B[dr]C[noobienoob [3k\]: mingjiu won't lose
merik [11k\]: what did i miss?
goren2 [5k\]: b gets small gote life with c3 i think
USGO5 [-\]: Check out my game {USGO5} for live commentary
LeeTekSum [3d\]: bad choice for b
Brilliant [5k\]: b can get an even result in some circumstances.
]
;W[er]
;B[cr]C[noobienoob [3k\]: thank you usgo5
]
;W[eq]C[smonds1 [3k\]: this game seems very standard. solid moves all by book, until C3 i think
]
;B[bo]C[KinoNoTabi [?\]: all i see is a girl with an orange shirt
Brilliant [5k\]: If w e2 c2 e3 c4 c5 f2 
smonds1 [3k\]: it does seem easly
smonds1 [3k\]: early
Brilliant [5k\]: Of course, that is no longer realistically going to happen.
]
;W[bn]
;B[co]
;W[do]
;B[cp]C[Goban [3k\]: per a guo juan lecure today it was perfect timing
laaa: e7?
Stoneflow [-\]: e7?
merik [11k\]: i think its a better exchange for white
]
;W[em]C[LeeTekSum [3d\]: white better
smonds1 [3k\]: yes, timing is questionable but, this has been played early by many pros
laaa: f17 fells bad
smonds1 [3k\]: sakta eio v takagawa
Brilliant [5k\]: I often play that invasion too soon, then my opponent makes a huge moyo and wins by 20 points.
goren2 [5k\]: ok b g16 now?
LeeTekSum [3d\]: black will have a taugh time invading
smonds1 [3k\]: had a similar very early invasion almost identical to this
blob [4k\]: indeed, looks bad for black...
whuang [2k\]: Yes.
globax [3d\]: or c13?
MoonCrash [3k\]: b retains sente, so not that bad, right?
]
;B[dg]C[horacelamb [3d\]: it looked a little early...
whuang [2k\]: Its not bad
Brilliant [5k\]: Why is b tiptoeing around?
braincrash [?\]: not bad
Brilliant [5k\]: Should invade at a10!
smonds1 [3k\]: perhaps questionable, not bad though
laaa: w position is superior
whuang [2k\]: ye
horacelamb [3d\]: d14 ...
KinoNoTabi [?\]: is there a tv in the room they can point the camera at?
whuang [2k\]: No
mw2a [1k\]: the camera is fine where it is, i think
mw2a [1k\]: o,o
Scriby [1k\]: lol
laaa: lol 
]
;W[cg]C[whuang [2k\]: O_o
laaa: lol i see a guy runing whit a beer
KinoNoTabi [?\]: oh great the commentary has started ^^
Mdx [5k\]: can i get the stream?
cugel [1k\]: hem hem
ikewa [9k\]: someone set camera right!
cugel [1k\]: the C3 result is way too good for w
whuang [2k\]: Lol
SunnyD [2d\]: pro talking?
whuang [2k\]: Pro commentary?
laaa: she is pro?
hasen [12k\]: what commentary?
KinoNoTabi [?\]: i cant see the board :(
icewater [2d?\]: eurogotv.com has video with commentary, but camera is not adjusted correctly
laaa: what is eurogotv doing?
ikewa [9k\]: USGO1 CAN U DO SOMETHING?
trilobyte [?\]: board can be seen on usgo5
MrSnouty [3d?\]: Is it possible to go back moves on demo games like this?
merik [11k\]: yes
merik [11k\]: clones the game in another room
jezork [3d\]: options-view offline
MrSnouty [3d?\]: Why make it so difficult?
merik [11k\]: i prefer to clone the game
MoonCrash [3k\]: its got to be b d12 right? hes been thinking awhile
]
;B[fe]C[evanj [3d\]: yes, jezork's way is easier
floatcloud [3d\]: after all these years, still no home grown usa strong players???
MoonCrash [3k\]: oh
SunnyD [2d\]: you might need to pay for full version to get that feature
floatcloud [3d\]: LOL
]
;W[db]C[USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu slams this stone on the board
cugel [1k\]: nice
]
;B[dh]C[cugel [1k\]: "i will !! attack you"
floatcloud [3d\]: is this a us championship, or chinese immigrants championship?
Scriby [1k\]: it's hard to follow the commentary when we can't see the board
LeeTekSum [3d\]: i would play d12 as w
MoonCrash [3k\]: the best us go players are, of course, asian immigrants
merik [11k\]: d12 looks ok 
merik [11k\]: but
Stoneflow [-\]: l17?
blob [4k\]: that's because non-immigrant americans suck at go?
trilobyte [?\]: commentary is cloned on USGO5
MoonCrash [3k\]: not suck, but just aren't that good
blob [4k\]: same difference
MoonCrash [3k\]: but getting better
merik [11k\]: who knos
merik [11k\]: maybe ill be the first white boy 9p :P
Theo93 [5k\]: l
merik [11k\]: knows*
evanj [3d\]: Michael Redmond beat you to it
blob [4k\]: there alreasy is
evanj [3d\]: sorry
floatcloud [3d\]: europe has catched up, not north american
Worthless [-\]: That would be Michael Redmond, I think
]
;W[df]C[merik [11k\]: well
merik [11k\]: hmm
evanj [3d\]: You can be second
LeeTekSum [3d\]: d14 looks like a kyu move
kungming [3k\]: is there a link to the video?
merik [11k\]: then ill be the first from the midwest :P
blob [4k\]: he kinda turned japanese to do it, though
merik [11k\]: and wow 
MoonCrash [3k\]: but b will have to respond or else get split
merik [11k\]: d14 :)
Theo93 [5k\]: isnt there an age limit
merik [11k\]: 35 i believe
MoonCrash [3k\]: then w cut anyway
goren2 [5k\]: f13
Stoneflow [-\]: e14
goren2 [5k\]: maybe j16
LeeTekSum [3d\]: e14 looks ok
]
;B[ef]C[merik [11k\]: i need to start analysing my own games as criticaly as i do these games
Theo93 [5k\]: ^
LeeTekSum [3d\]: w will connect thought
merik [11k\]: my game would improve 10 fold
Stoneflow [-\]: l17?
scwizard [8k\]: does calvin have a kgs account?
Pseudo [10k\]: L17
SunnyD [2d\]: calvinsun
scwizard [8k\]: no such account
merik [11k\]: F18
MoonCrash [3k\]: ladder breaker time?
Worthless [-\]: 'kbag' is the account, apparently
lincolnave [2k\]: M 17
laaa: i think he going to play l17
goren2 [5k\]: l17 seems only
kungming [3k\]: f13
laaa: or f18
merik [11k\]: F18 is mor my style :P
laaa: or maybe just tenuki
merik [11k\]: d12
merik [11k\]: then F18
kungming [3k\]: cannot tenuki
Diabolus [5k\]: d11
]
;W[ko]C[merik [11k\]: he tenuki'd 0.0
laaa: cannot tenuki huh?
Theo93 [5k\]: lol
LeeTekSum [3d\]: this is another kyu move
Stoneflow [-\]: not tenuki
MoonCrash [3k\]: breaks ladder
laaa: great move
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu clacks the stone down firmly and slides it into place
LeeTekSum [3d\]: I know Moon Crash
laaa: usgo
Mdx [5k\]: I WILL CRUSH YOU 
kungming [3k\]: haha ladder
goren2 [5k\]: so e13 now possible?
]
;B[hf]
;W[kp]C[laaa: w is going to punish b
Stoneflow [-\]: wow
merik [11k\]: now h3 is a big point
joey [4k\]: that is a good move, if you want to die
KinoNoTabi [?\]: the camera's fixed
LeeTekSum [3d\]: b should answer at k5
KinoNoTabi [?\]: but im not sure what theyre doing
SunnyD [2d\]: L17!!!!!!!!!!111
laaa: black cant do much against l4.. just to make a base whit j6 or f2
merik [11k\]: to late for l17
Stoneflow [-\]: c12?
goren2 [5k\]: k3?
virtuoso [3k\]: 江老師好殺
Atdawn [1d\]: some serious trouble b is in
LeeTekSum [3d\]: L4 is just too big
cugel [1k\]: oh boy
blob [4k\]: i'd say f2, but it's ugly
cugel [1k\]: the game is already over
merik [11k\]: cugel your about to get a game you will love :)
cugel [1k\]: :-)
laaa: hey
laaa: she is commenting thisgame
laaa: ?
cugel [1k\]: i bet mingjiu laughing inside
goren2 [5k\]: yes f2 first, then k3, then k5?
icewater [2d?\]: i don't know why black didn't just respond at L4 and not worry about the cut at e13 (black responds f12
merik [11k\]: nah not laughing
KinoNoTabi [?\]: alright commentary is working
merik [11k\]: more like 
merik [11k\]: "yes yes goood goood"
]
;B[eb]C[blob [4k\]: ?
LeeTekSum [3d\]: H14 is just protecting the cut
Atdawn [1d\]: this seems wrong, but B is the 7d, not me
blob [4k\]: lame
laaa: i think now l16 is fine
LeeTekSum [3d\]: nothing much
]
;W[jd]C[laaa: or k16
wskb [-\]: wow, teacher  vs. student
virtuoso [3k\]: 殺出一條血路
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu slams this one down hard
ikewa [9k\]: TAKE A LOOT ON STREAM IT'S OK NOW
ikewa [9k\]: sorry for caps
Mdx [5k\]: OH GAWD
Atdawn [1d\]: Like, this naturally induces K16(or L17 that I would've played), and now B is a mess :/
goren2 [5k\]: intimidation
MoonCrash [3k\]: does calvin slam the stones too, or just set them down gingerly?
laaa: if w plays k3 b is ruined
LeeTekSum [3d\]: b m17
floatcloud [3d\]: looks like GO game has failed to catch on amongst north american youths
LeeTekSum [3d\]: text book move
merik [11k\]: hey
goren2 [5k\]: k18
merik [11k\]: ive been playing go since i was 16
Atdawn [1d\]: Me too
floatcloud [3d\]: despite many years og efforts
blob [4k\]: i've been playing since january
seishiro [1k\]: first time seeing a studen playing against his teacher in a big event 
compendium [?\]: do you mean caucasian youths?
LeeTekSum [3d\]: merik, how old r u now?
hasen [12k\]: I've been playing since late feb :P
wskb [-\]: calvin is mingjiu's best student ... so far
merik [11k\]: 19
MoonCrash [3k\]: really? student vs teacher
floatcloud [3d\]: the future of western GO is in europe
Mdx [5k\]: USGO tipes like a monster
Atdawn [1d\]: blob, 4k in just 7 months?
LeeTekSum [3d\]: not much improvement
Mdx [5k\]: its seems a rain of bombs
]
;B[kq]C[merik [11k\]: i have had alot to do so my inmprovement in the game has been sparatic
seishiro [1k\]: hey dont forget us got eric lui 
]
;W[lq]C[merik [11k\]: but i have really been trying my hardest to improve lately :)
]
;B[lp]C[LeeTekSum [3d\]: you should play a lillte more
Worthless [-\]: Yeah, don't let life get in the way
floatcloud [3d\]: yeah i mean non-yellow americans
]
;W[jq]
;B[kr]C[kaminoyari [7k\]: go?life?
]
;W[iq]C[kaminoyari [7k\]: go>life?*
]
;B[lr]C[merik [11k\]: but in go life is most importnt
Stoneflow [-\]: go=life?
merik [11k\]: so go<life :P
KinoNoTabi [?\]: USGO can you give some commentary on the mood of the game?
laaa: j7
Worthless [-\]: getFunValue(Go) > getFunValue(life)
]
;W[op]C[Jinni [1k\]: its atmospheric
LeeTekSum [3d\]: b got gote here and not much territory
blob [4k\]: lower right result was bad for b after all
Atdawn [1d\]: I'm fairly sure go is a subset of life, not the other way around
kaminoyari [7k\]: worthless, I think you get a runtime error if you do that
mw2a [1k\]: go is alive!?
cugel [1k\]: b is getting pushed around baaaadly :(
merik [11k\]: error (fun-valuelife not found )
kaminoyari [7k\]: black q7 confuses me
Worthless [-\]: I thought it just returned a 'true' that I don't do anything with...
Worthless [-\]: Guess not.
USGO1 [-\]: both players are leaning over the board studying it intently
kaminoyari [7k\]: but it makes calls to classes that don't exist using undeclared objects =P
Worthless [-\]: Heh
braincrash [?\]: o3 
laaa: just p3
kaminoyari [7k\]: p3 is better than o3
goren2 [5k\]: n6?
braincrash [?\]: p3 o4 
jezork [3d\]: j4
laaa: w got lots of big moves to play
Atdawn [1d\]: o3 o4
]
;B[ln]C[merik [11k\]: o4
laaa: i cant belive this game is going too good for w
]
;W[kn]C[kaminoyari [7k\]: black's making unreasonable moves
Atdawn [1d\]: Nope
USGO1 [-\]: another slam to the board
Mdx [5k\]: violence
merik [11k\]: black is starting to feel the pressure
seishiro [1k\]: n6 better instead of m6?
Worthless [-\]: One of my opponents once took about 5 minutes to play his first move, and started slamming every stone he played thereafter
]
;B[oq]C[Sutoh1972: m6 bad
merik [11k\]: i wish i could find opponent irl to play with my board gets so lonely
Juan03 [8k\]: why is m6 bad
ekim1989 [10k\]: i play shusaku games
laaa: becouse makes w stronger whit l6
]
;W[lo]
;B[mo]
;W[mn]C[laaa: m6 bad style
Longshi [-\]: m6 seems ok
blob [4k\]: and it's all just too Calvinistic :p
USGO1 [-\]: CLACK
laaa: not ok w is winning alot i think w+res in this game
Mdx [5k\]: BANG
]
;B[lm]
;W[km]C[goren2 [5k\]: h6?
kaminoyari [7k\]: who would h6?
MoonCrash [3k\]: blob, you mean b is predestined to get crushed? 
USGO1 [-\]: Another loud clack
]
;B[nn]C[kyoyo [?\]: omg
]
;W[mm]
;B[ll]C[MoonCrash [3k\]: because it seems like it its happening
kyoyo [?\]: OMG
Mdx [5k\]: i can hear the clack
Mdx [5k\]: HAHAHHA
blob [4k\]: sort of, and live a short life of frugal misery
LeeTekSum [3d\]: w's building some mini moyo.
Atdawn [1d\]: O6 was a good move
kyoyo [?\]: there are so many people in this window
kaminoyari [7k\]: it's not so much moyo as influence at this point -.-
cugel [1k\]: calvin induced biiiig attack from Mingjiu, master of weiqi... :/
MoonCrash [3k\]: i wonder whats the record viewers on kgs
Longshi [-\]: probably around 900 ?
Mdx [5k\]: 1k
MoonCrash [3k\]: gentlerain vs. tartrate maybe?
laaa: check in stattisc
MoonCrash [3k\]: over 1000 for that one
Juan03 [8k\]: ive seen 400
MoonCrash [3k\]: i think
laaa: just 192 here
cugel [1k\]: i remember about 800
Worthless [-\]: I think the first public audio lecture got about 1500 when the feature was first introduced
Mdx [5k\]: lol
Nation [4k\]: Mingjiu Jiang vs Calvin Sun......seems nostalgic
Stoneflow [-\]: over 9k? :D
goren2 [5k\]: n3?
merik [11k\]: 195 observers :)
cugel [1k\]: please don't tell me black did O6 ???
merik [11k\]: yup
Atdawn [1d\]: Over 9kyu observers!?!?!
kaminoyari [7k\]: black clearly did o6
horacelamb [3d\]: haha
kyoyo [?\]: there is 1 11k
ZeroKun [-\]: i keep forgetting im 4 hours ahead of these people
MoonCrash [3k\]: my kyu brain is shouting O7!!
merik [11k\]: : whats wrong with 11k :(
kyoyo [?\]: what?
kaminoyari [7k\]: it's a low rank
kungming [3k\]: 11k is the best rank
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu starts to play a stone, then pulls back
horacelamb [3d\]: not sure what white is thinking about here
Atdawn [1d\]: 11k is a fun rank. I remember when I was one
cugel [1k\]: i mean, P4 gives O5 N3...
merik [11k\]: its the power of 2 1ks :)
kyoyo [?\]: nothing is wrong with it
blob [4k\]: you're only sad if you remain 11k for too long
Mdx [5k\]: i know a 10k that is 10k for years
kaminoyari [7k\]: I was 11k for about 4 days
Atdawn [1d\]: Then I made a new account and got to 7k in a flash, just after someone told me that moves are supposed to have a meaning behind them, something they try to do
USGO1 [-\]: he sighs and puts the stone back in the bowl
kyoyo [?\]: oh yeah i had a hard time getting up from 6k to 5k 
MoonCrash [3k\]: now i dont feel so bad , kamin :)
kyoyo [?\]: it toke me 1 month
]
;W[no]C[cugel [1k\]: yes
Wiggum [5k\]: moves have meaning?!
MoonCrash [3k\]: i mean, mdx
Wiggum [5k\]: :P
mw2a [1k\]: no
cugel [1k\]: now come on, b...
Worthless [-\]: Maybe he needs to catch his breath after slamming all of those stones down
kaminoyari [7k\]: o5 -.-
cugel [1k\]: what's this shape u made ?
power [3k\]: poor b
adamb1 [12k?\]: lots of bragging from 1d-7k players :)
kaminoyari [7k\]: I don't understand o5 at all
merik [11k\]: o5 is great
braincrash [?\]: cuz of n3 
]
;B[np]
;W[nm]C[cugel [1k\]: yes
horacelamb [3d\]: yikes
merik [11k\]: :)
merik [11k\]: see
Atdawn [1d\]: L8?
cugel [1k\]: w induced ponnuki
wbathurs [1d\]: aji slayer move
cugel [1k\]: w is too thick
kyoyo [?\]: because they get full of the there selfs 
horacelamb [3d\]: I don't like this result at all for b
cugel [1k\]: b is going to pass out :-)
power [3k\]: l8 
kyoyo [?\]: they think they are on top of the world 
goren2 [5k\]: o6
kyoyo [?\]: when they really arent
braincrash [?\]: tenuki time
LeeTekSum [3d\]: L8 a must
USGO1 [-\]: and Calvin reminds Mingjiu to press his clock
goren2 [5k\]: h6 rather
kaminoyari [7k\]: I'm on top of the world
]
;B[kl]C[KinoNoTabi [?\]: ^^
merik [11k\]: 0.0
merik [11k\]: nooo
laaaw: Mdx commentaryes: Wow, Heh, Omg, lol, yeah, bang. kind of useful....
blob [4k\]: i have never seen an "official" match turn into disaster this quickly
Atdawn [1d\]: I'm the bottom of the world... Wait?
horacelamb [3d\]: this is slightly off from disaster
blob [4k\]: only slightly, no?
Worthless [-\]: this isn't quite disaster
cugel [1k\]: told u
Nation [4k\]: It's not a disaster at all
USGO1 [-\]: Calvin checks his opponent's time... they both have about an hour left
Mdx [5k\]: laaw: x coments Rolfzord not useful
kyoyo [?\]: black can win this so easly
horacelamb [3d\]: ehhh white is winning, but black isn't SOL
]
;W[io]
;B[ch]C[Worthless [-\]: I don't think most of us would be so biased against Black's position in this game if it wasn't for some of the comments here
dingdongg: j5 is solid
dingdongg: probabily k14 now
horacelamb [3d\]: attack m6 I guess?
dingdongg: K14 ofc
horacelamb [3d\]: oh yeah
evanj [3d\]: i agree with worthless
merik [11k\]: im reevaluating the board :)
LeeTekSum [3d\]: J5 is a small price to pay
Atdawn [1d\]: Dunno. B is not good, he's slightly behind, and he's playing against 7p
horacelamb [3d\]: white has weak stones too
Theo93 [5k\]: ^
]
;W[dc]C[braincrash [?\]: m17 
Atdawn [1d\]: It's hopeless, but not that much more hopeless than it was around move #1
dingdongg: d17 sente?
merik [11k\]: if b wants to get back in this he should push ont he 2 stone at the top
Worthless [-\]: Thank you, evanj. That's rare for me :P
horacelamb [3d\]: hmm
kaminoyari [7k\]: why would black do that? -.-
]
;B[jb]C[merik [11k\]: l17 would be a good move about know
janover [11k\]: i AGREE AS WELL WORTHLESS
USGO5 [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
horacelamb [3d\]: I don't think it's "bias"
Atdawn [1d\]: K18 seems like overdoing it
merik [11k\]: overplay ?
cugel [1k\]: how so
Nation [4k\]: Looks like an overplay
blob [4k\]: n16
dingdongg: k17
cugel [1k\]: it's maybe the first good b move since ages
mw2a [1k\]: looks fine to me, idk
Stoneflow [-\]: k14 looks natural
Worthless [-\]: Uh, thanks, janover. Caps much? Did I miss it the first time? :)
ZeroKun [-\]: its an underplay
goren2 [5k\]: i count w about 10-15 points up including komi
LeeTekSum [3d\]: k18 makes white run
Atdawn [1d\]: W could make shape by pushing a stone like K18 around
BLikeWater [3d\]: when is go gonna justin.tv up in here... i want to see some players
horacelamb [3d\]: k18 isn't very easy to push around
Atdawn [1d\]: Dunno exactly how though, but something like that is occasionally possible
dingdongg: k17 is the only move
cugel [1k\]: disagree
Atdawn [1d\]: L17 would be my response, I guess
merik [11k\]: same with me
blob [4k\]: the 7p is thinking long about the "only" move
horacelamb [3d\]: haha
cugel [1k\]: many moves
kaminoyari [7k\]: k17 would be pretty bad imo
merik [11k\]: m17 looks deceptivly attractive
power [3k\]: mb he is counting now
cugel [1k\]: how about K13 direction ?
braincrash [?\]: m16 
goren2 [5k\]: I called k18.  I am so proud of myelsf
MoonCrash [3k\]: N16, then r 17 asap?
merik [11k\]: m17 :P
power [3k\]: k18 is good :)
Novalys [1d\]: j9 
Viperlason [5d\]: what if Calvin beat Minjiu?
horacelamb [3d\]: not likely
Viperlason [5d\]: but what if?
horacelamb [3d\]: that'd be cool I guess
blob [4k\]: hell freezes over
Viperlason [5d\]: would like..the world start to cave into itself?
Tetriste [1d\]: that's entirely possible
braincrash [?\]: good for calvin then
cugel [1k\]: then bravo
MoonCrash [3k\]: then calvin would be happy 
joey [4k\]: certainly possible though
cugel [1k\]: will not happen :)
merik [11k\]: then everybody eats cake
horacelamb [3d\]: well Andy beat 3 of the best US pros in 09
cugel [1k\]: enough why Andy
Tetriste [1d\]: Andy beat Mingjiu before
horacelamb [3d\]: yeah
Atdawn [1d\]: Minjiu would lose his position as a go-professional and he had to pay fines for the go institute he's member of for embarrassing pros
cugel [1k\]: b is not Andy...
horacelamb [3d\]: yeah I kow
]
;W[jf]C[MoonCrash [3k\]: whos andy?
horacelamb [3d\]: know*
Tetriste [1d\]: losing to a 7d isn't embarassing...
cugel [1k\]: ok off by 1 again
Stoneflow [-\]: my move
Nation [4k\]: k14 is pretty clever
cugel [1k\]: K14 not K13
Tetriste [1d\]: andy is bigbadwolf
merik [11k\]: k14 to passive for me
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu sucks air through his teeth as he plays this move
horacelamb [3d\]: haha merik
cugel [1k\]: K14 not passive on the contrary
Nation [4k\]: Nope
cugel [1k\]: look at L8 group
Nation [4k\]: not at all
horacelamb [3d\]: I like that you're correcting a 7p's move
Stoneflow [-\]: active
Theo93 [5k\]: k14 seems like a natural response
Viperlason [5d\]: 11k comment on 7p move -> to passive
horacelamb [3d\]: yeah hahaha
merik [11k\]: :
merik [11k\]: :P
blob [4k\]: and threatens l8 group
cugel [1k\]: :)
Mdx [5k\]: t19
goren2 [5k\]: m8 getting to be on the target
Mdx [5k\]: is the only move
kaminoyari [7k\]: I disagree
Tetriste [1d\]: personally, mingjiu is one of the best teacher there is, but I don't feel that he's that strong (compared to other pros of course)
cugel [1k\]: at least he tries & expresses
Atdawn [1d\]: Viperlason, yeah, hilarious how kyu-ranked players are kibitzing eh
kaminoyari [7k\]: a1 is also plausible
LeeTekSum [3d\]: k12 is the only move
MoonCrash [3k\]: shouldn't b protect upper right now, like r16?
dingdongg: wow tetriste thats a big insult 
cugel [1k\]: there is always stronger
dingdongg: nice one
braincrash [?\]: l11 
horacelamb [3d\]: well he wouldn't be competitive in current Asian go, but he's one of the strongest US players
cugel [1k\]: let's not troll about Mingjiu strength, which is something faaaaaaaaar beyond us ok ?
cugel [1k\]: thx
horacelamb [3d\]: I think it's somewhat relevant
Nation [4k\]: It's something to dwell on cugel
power [3k\]: k12 
horacelamb [3d\]: since strong amateurs could conceivably win
cugel [1k\]: 5 amateurs in the world can challenge him, so ?
kungming [3k\]: there are many things that a pro does and it is not neceearily only be competitive
Tetriste [1d\]: I'm not trolling, and I don't think I'm insulting him either
horacelamb [3d\]: maybe 50000
mw2a [1k\]: if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all
Viperlason [5d\]: Atdawn, well I just thought it was funny
Tetriste [1d\]: I said he was an awesome teacher mw2a
Longshi [-\]: is there a ban on saying mean things ?
goren2 [5k\]: l17 maybe? or l12?
Tetriste [1d\]: one of the best
mw2a [1k\]: indeed
cekalo [3k\]: J12
Mdx [5k\]: Tetriste, people are just mad, don't mind
dingdongg: k13
Stoneflow [-\]: k13
mw2a [1k\]: Mdx, stop being derivative
dingdongg: stone stop copy me
Stoneflow [-\]: xD
dingdongg: thx
cugel [1k\]: bad kibitzs
dingdongg: XD
power [3k\]: I like k12
blob [4k\]: i don't think k13 will tame w
dingdongg: k13 works whit l8
dingdongg: is reasonable move
cekalo [3k\]: J11
horacelamb [3d\]: k 12 is possble
cugel [1k\]: K12 after K18 is quite something, well, b has to try
Atdawn [1d\]: Mdx = 0 unless M is a(non-trivial) function of x?
]
;B[ke]C[Nation [4k\]: hrm
blob [4k\]: dislike :p
Nation [4k\]: A peep at a time like this,  Wonder what he's thinking
Stoneflow [-\]: make white stronger
Atdawn [1d\]: L15 seems like 1d play
cugel [1k\]: :-)
mw2a [1k\]: Mdx is just a differential
]
;W[je]C[Tetriste [1d\]: why Atdawn, you would've played that?
cugel [1k\]: it's probably prepapation for cap
cugel [1k\]: crude attack
]
;B[hd]C[Atdawn [1d\]: Tetriste, nope, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was played against me
dingdongg: white can j17 or ignore and play l14 
Atdawn [1d\]: And then I'd think "this is why we can't have nice things"
tesuji [-\]: too small
horacelamb [3d\]: well, a 1d and 1p might play 60% of the same moves
Stoneflow [-\]: k12 mayb
MoonCrash [3k\]: w can regain sente here
cugel [1k\]: w won't J17 anytime soon
mw2a [1k\]: e18 f17 f15 e14 h14 h16 looks like a fencer thrusting at white
blob [4k\]: ignore and attack l8 group
tesuji [-\]: L11
dingdongg: j8 sems big too
Tetriste [1d\]: you do know that 85% of statistics are made up on the spot?
cugel [1k\]: nice one
cugel [1k\]: autoreference !
horacelamb [3d\]: it doesn't matter what the exact number is
horacelamb [3d\]: just the idea
braincrash [?\]: why h16 when it could be j17 
Sutoh1972: w L11 counter attack
USGO1 [-\]: Calvin stretches in his chair
mate105 [2d\]: dann I almost miss the match
]
;W[he]C[dingdongg: h15 7p move
cugel [1k\]: ouch
blob [4k\]: interesting move
MoonCrash [3k\]: yawns, sips his tea, waves his fan in front of his face...
cugel [1k\]: this one u don't see 1d play, eh ?
mate105 [2d\]: how long since the start please?
power [3k\]: yeah h15
Nation [4k\]: a working move
seishiro [1k\]: looks pretty tough for black 
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu gently slips this stone inbetween
dingdongg: h15 looks like a pro move
power [3k\]: it is )
cugel [1k\]: genius move
Atdawn [1d\]: H15 looks like a mad 5k move
cugel [1k\]: makes my day
Tetriste [1d\]: hahaha
cugel [1k\]: :D
Tetriste [1d\]: I was thinking that too Atdawn
cugel [1k\]: but isn't any 5k mad ? :)
Worthless [-\]: Well, they play Go...
power [3k\]: g16 
Tetriste [1d\]: so g16 h13?
mcninch [22k?\]: anyone else watching the commentary on u-stream to go along with this? good stuff!
merik [11k\]: i like h15 :)
blob [4k\]: to be honest, i play stuff like that when i get mad...
]
;B[gd]C[MoonCrash [3k\]: because it often works!
cugel [1k\]: what is the url ?
Vinnie1144 [9k?\]: link?
blob [4k\]: but not for the right reasons
]
;W[ic]
;B[jc]C[mcninch [22k?\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
seishiro [1k\]: how much time do they have left?
cugel [1k\]: i see, he induced it
Atdawn [1d\]: Reasons are overrated
cugel [1k\]: pro manoeuvre
horacelamb [3d\]: l16 maybe?
]
;W[kc]C[mw2a [1k\]: i don't see the point of h15
]
;B[kb]C[tesuji [-\]: after h15 w can h13 later
Mongoose11 [8k\]: is for style points
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu slams that one down hard
Tetriste [1d\]: h15 can only be for h13
Tetriste [1d\]: else there's no point
LeeTekSum [3d\]: h15 was good, but j17,,
dingdongg: j17 was gote
Worthless [-\]: h13 gets h12, surely
]
;W[lc]C[teenkyu [6k\]: mingjiu lives where i live!
]
;B[lb]C[teenkyu [6k\]: YAY!
power [3k\]: USGO1, how much time players have?
]
;W[id]C[teenkyu [6k\]: LOVE THE BAY AREA 
USGO1 [-\]: both players are on the edge of their seats
]
;B[ig]C[teenkyu [6k\]: hey usgo1
Mongoose11 [8k\]: cutcutcut l16
teenkyu [6k\]: can we get a view of them playing?
teenkyu [6k\]: :|
Atdawn [1d\]: B is not letting W off easy :O
Nation [4k\]: definitely not
dingdongg: b plays agressive for a 7d
]
;W[le]C[teenkyu [6k\]: i think b is his student..
teenkyu [6k\]: o_O
]
;B[kh]C[seishiro [1k\]: he should be much stronger than 7dan 
horacelamb [3d\]: l12 is nice
dingdongg: m13
]
;W[jg]
;B[jh]
;W[lg]C[teenkyu [6k\]: yeah calvin sun is MING JIU's STUDENT
teenkyu [6k\]: he's only a teenager
blob [4k\]: still think w should have jumped towards l8 :(
SeiChan [4k\]: o.ô
dingdongg: calvin will be a pro some day?
LeeTekSum [3d\]: n14 \\
power [3k\]: good for b
teenkyu [6k\]: i remember mingjiu talking about a 4d kid when he was teaching me
teenkyu [6k\]: i think this is him.
SeiChan [4k\]: calvin is minjiu's student?oo
teenkyu [6k\]: i think so.
Sutoh1972: w J16 problematic
]
;B[fm]C[power [3k\]: HOW MUCH TIME PLAYERS HAVE, PLZ??
Tetriste [1d\]: is Calvin using kgs?
mw2a [1k\]: don't shout
LeeTekSum [3d\]: f7 great move
seishiro [1k\]: should black play c9?
teenkyu [6k\]: idk but calvin is merely a 13 year old.
dingdongg: F7 takes alot
goren2 [5k\]: j12?
power [3k\]: f7 %)
Atdawn [1d\]: Wait, what?
KinoNoTabi [?\]: calvin is 14
Angelic: does this work?
Atdawn [1d\]: 13 year old?
teenkyu [6k\]: why is black playing so aggressive?
teenkyu [6k\]: yeah calvin is 13
teenkyu [6k\]: also mingjiu's student.
cugel [1k\]: black position is better now, good attack
Diabolus [5k\]: f7 ????
Atdawn [1d\]: But he's 7d :ooo
teenkyu [6k\]: yeah he was 4d a year ago.
GameFAQs [4d\]: what is aggressive to you?
blob [4k\]: black needed to catch up anyway
teenkyu [6k\]: well if white f8's..
MoonCrash [3k\]: he has to play agressive to win
teenkyu [6k\]: black might have  ahard time..
tesuji [-\]: black's play seems reasonable to me
teenkyu [6k\]: well don't listen to me
teenkyu [6k\]: im merely a low level kyu./
teenkyu [6k\]: :P
]
;W[el]C[Tetriste [1d\]: dont say that
Tetriste [1d\]: sometimes kyus are right
teenkyu [6k\]: mingjiu told me that
teenkyu [6k\]: when i was under him
teenkyu [6k\]: 'XD
]
;B[fr]C[cugel [1k\]: and F7 is interesting kikashi
blob [4k\]: like broken clocks, right?
Tetriste [1d\]: not often though
teenkyu [6k\]: ^ agreed
teenkyu [6k\]: does black connect with monkey?
Sutoh1972: opportunity for white now
Tetriste [1d\]: broken clocks got the time right twice a day
teenkyu [6k\]: h1 or j1?
Mdx [5k\]: tetriste, they are often right because pro doesnt do their mistake
tesuji [-\]: no
cugel [1k\]: not connect no
horacelamb [3d\]: no
blob [4k\]: no need to spell it out...
SunnyD [2d\]: if a clock is always 2 hours ahead, how will it be right????
horacelamb [3d\]: doesn't quite work
teenkyu [6k\]: h4?
teenkyu [6k\]: soon
teenkyu [6k\]: it seems.
Tetriste [1d\]: thats not broken SunnyD
merik [11k\]: you move the clock to a diffrent time zone of corse
cugel [1k\]: at least he's trying
svgo [1k\]: then it's ahead of its time
GameFAQs [4d\]: h4 not really good shape though
Tetriste [1d\]: but not broken
tesuji [-\]: better not to peep at h4
seishiro [1k\]: c9 for either side?
goren2 [5k\]: f4 safe and sente/
merik [11k\]: do you think d9 instead of f7 would have been a better exchange for b?
tesuji [-\]: b has the possibility of f5 g4 e4 h3 later
merik [11k\]: or d8?
teenkyu [6k\]: this is crazy
teenkyu [6k\]: if calvin beats his teacher..
teenkyu [6k\]: CRAZY
MoonCrash [3k\]: straight down, e1?
Tetriste [1d\]: I like h3 follow up
]
;W[fs]
;B[gs]
;W[es]C[Tetriste [1d\]: f1?
LeeTekSum [3d\]: f5
KinoNoTabi [?\]: j1?
goren2 [5k\]: h2
teenkyu [6k\]: h2 is sente
dingdongg: h2
seishiro [1k\]: h2 then h4 then g6 
teenkyu [6k\]: yeah
Stoneflow [-\]: dont c anything for black here
teenkyu [6k\]: he could kill white
teenkyu [6k\]: if white isn't careful.
blob [4k\]: lol
teenkyu [6k\]: f4 
Stoneflow [-\]: nope
merik [11k\]: kills white
teenkyu [6k\]: i think is safe for white.
tesuji [-\]: if h2 b f4 and b will be in trouble
merik [11k\]: nah :P
mw2a [1k\]: teacher-cide
GameFAQs [4d\]: senseicide
ikewa [9k\]: h1 d1
Sutoh1972: b didn't think this through
power [3k\]: pro-cide
]
;B[in]C[seishiro [1k\]: after h2 get sente in h4 
teenkyu [6k\]: minjiu drives a busted up toyota.
GameFAQs [4d\]: sifucide
teenkyu [6k\]: love it.
Tetriste [1d\]: I didn't see this one coming
dingdongg: suicide what?
]
;W[ip]C[teenkyu [6k\]: o wow.
merik [11k\]: shut down :P
teenkyu [6k\]: this actaully.. seems good..
Tetriste [1d\]: I don't like j6
]
;B[fo]C[Tetriste [1d\]: :O
Tetriste [1d\]: nvm
Tetriste [1d\]: I like j6
teenkyu [6k\]: yeah....
GameFAQs [4d\]: >_>
teenkyu [6k\]: tetris
dingdongg: g2
teenkyu [6k\]: ur back down to 1k
dingdongg: G2
teenkyu [6k\]: XD
seishiro [1k\]: f6?
]
;W[gr]C[goren2 [5k\]: f8?
dingdongg: G2 is the only move
kungming [3k\]: black is over playing
]
;B[gq]
;W[hr]C[teenkyu [6k\]: black k6?
dingdongg: black is doing well
]
;B[fl]C[dingdongg: =)
teenkyu [6k\]: let the bell tell you.
teenkyu [6k\]: ding dong.
tesuji [-\]: black is heavy
]
;W[jl]C[Tetriste [1d\]: black seems fine
dingdongg: XD
aitkensam [-\]: seems like these guys play fast, they nearly out of time?
LeeTekSum [3d\]: b did enough damage here
USGO1 [-\]: he slams that one down
teenkyu [6k\]: usgo1
teenkyu [6k\]: what is the time situation?
ikewa [9k\]: k7 
Tetriste [1d\]: k8 was pretty much only possible option for Mingjiu
goren2 [5k\]: 5.28 am
dingdongg: can we watch the table of the pro?
SunnyD [2d\]: 8:28
power [3k\]: lol
Sutoh1972: w solid but conservative
USGO1 [-\]: both players have about 50 minutes left on thier clock
teenkyu [6k\]: O_O?
Tetriste [1d\]: I can imagine w saying '' you get e8, I get k8
teenkyu [6k\]: this is fast.
]
;B[jk]C[teenkyu [6k\]: maybe they are saving the game
teenkyu [6k\]: for endgame
teenkyu [6k\]: see who wins by sente in the end.
compendium [?\]: this is calvins 3rd game today
compendium [?\]: he must be tired
braincrash [?\]: black chooses.... everything
teenkyu [6k\]: he's 13.
teenkyu [6k\]: he's got plenty of energy
mw2a [1k\]: i can imagine white saying "what are these chickens doing on my feet" but it's not very instructive for go
dingdongg: this looks like a hard game 
SunnyD [2d\]: they have to go back to their rooms to watch jersey shore
teenkyu [6k\]: jersey shore..
]
;W[ik]C[teenkyu [6k\]: idk
teenkyu [6k\]: calvins life is surrounded by go.
MoonCrash [3k\]: the situation is 9d
teenkyu [6k\]: he's still a teenager.
]
;B[il]
;W[jm]C[Tetriste [1d\]: now does w prevent b's connection...
goren2 [5k\]: j8?
ikewa [9k\]: bad exchg
]
;B[ij]C[goren2 [5k\]: h8?
teenkyu [6k\]: thats a ballsy move.
Tetriste [1d\]: j10 looks wrong
Longshi [-\]: why ?
merik [11k\]: h9
blob [4k\]: i like it
dingdongg: i like black
LeeTekSum [3d\]: should h9
]
;W[hk]
;B[hl]C[braincrash [?\]: h9 h8 then?
dingdongg: ops
dingdongg: b failed
goren2 [5k\]: that;s what she said...
Atdawn [1d\]: "ballsy" is the exact expression that captures the essence of J10 the best
dingdongg: whats this
dingdongg: a dog??
ikewa [9k\]: f10
USGO1 [-\]: Calvin gets up from the table for a break
teenkyu [6k\]: why thank you atdawn
merik [11k\]: f9
SunnyD [2d\]: make sure he doesn't go to the commentary room for hints
teenkyu [6k\]: k10?
mw2a [1k\]: f9 g9 
teenkyu [6k\]: h10
teenkyu [6k\]: f9
teenkyu [6k\]: ?
dingdongg: no
tesuji [-\]: w just plays g9
Tetriste [1d\]: g9
merik [11k\]: k10
Tetriste [1d\]: yeah
blob [4k\]: what's wrong with g9?
USGO1 [-\]: he returns with a cup of water
KinoNoTabi [?\]: do they have anything to drink?
Derwyddon [10k\]: b+10 by count with lots of game left.  what do you all think?
KinoNoTabi [?\]: ah ^^
LeeTekSum [3d\]: w g14
dingdongg: USGO i want to see the players at camera.. pls
MoonCrash [3k\]: still early
SunnyD [2d\]: how did you count????
horacelamb [3d\]: i vote g9 also
Atdawn [1d\]: g9 lets b play F9, that's the main problem
goren2 [5k\]: g9 f9?
horacelamb [3d\]: nevertheless
mw2a [1k\]: i think too much depends on fight right now to get a good count
compendium [?\]: maybe b can attack k15 later
Derwyddon [10k\]: sunnyD slowly and poorly
merik [11k\]: i would put B about 3 -5 points ahead
Atdawn [1d\]: I'm really, really surprised if W plays G9
blob [4k\]: sorry, but you're weaker than me and i can't count this
LeeTekSum [3d\]: g9 is suicide
Tetriste [1d\]: hehehe
Stoneflow [-\]: l9?
mw2a [1k\]: plenty of 10ks count better than me
dingdongg: yea L9 only move
seishiro [1k\]: h10 seems better
]
;W[hj]C[teenkyu [6k\]: OH
teenkyu [6k\]: MY 
dingdongg: h10 wow
dingdongg: omg
teenkyu [6k\]: i called that!
Atdawn [1d\]: I have this "someone is winning or they're going to tie" type of estimation
dingdongg: pro move!!!!
teenkyu [6k\]: SUCK IT
teenkyu [6k\]: KYUS RIGHT
teenkyu [6k\]: UNCE
seishiro [1k\]: lol
MoonCrash [3k\]: mw2a is right--this fight is huge--plus can w get in upper right>
Ahui [10k\]: how to count?
Tetriste [1d\]: lol
]
;B[en]C[Ahui [10k\]: can someone teach me?
Vinnie1144 [9k?\]: lol
teenkyu [6k\]: GET AT ME TETRIS
merik [11k\]: counting takes lots and lots and lots of practice
seishiro [1k\]: then at the right momen should cut at j12
compendium [?\]: things just got very interesting
Tetriste [1d\]: I think it's better to count when place and fights are settled
goren2 [5k\]: f9?
teenkyu [6k\]: white e9?
teenkyu [6k\]: if black d6
merik [11k\]: i count the values of moves instead of area's
SunnyD [2d\]: Ahui, you can sign up for counting lessons at your local kindergarten 
teenkyu [6k\]: white c8
Tetriste [1d\]: here there's nothing sure yet concerning the middle
merik [11k\]: its simpler
dingdongg: d6nis a simple move
horacelamb [3d\]: what was the value of e6?
Ahui [10k\]: hahaha.. :)
dingdongg: d6
Tetriste [1d\]: b is ahead middle aside
Korken [3d\]: maybe w wants L9
KinoNoTabi [?\]: e6 for e9 imo
braincrash [?\]: e6 is shock and awe
teenkyu [6k\]: well
teenkyu [6k\]: i think white should e9
goren2 [5k\]: i think it may prevent f9 actually
Sutoh1972: w k10
MoonCrash [3k\]: inviting the obvious follow up
merik [11k\]: d10 :P
Stoneflow [-\]: l10 looks strange
Tetriste [1d\]: however, w will most likely get an invasion in the upper right
]
;W[dn]C[Atdawn [1d\]: Now everyone's gonna be disappointed when W answers D6
cugel [1k\]: not really
merik [11k\]: :(
teenkyu [6k\]: CUGEL
teenkyu [6k\]: OMG
dingdongg: Tetriste = Tetris + te?
teenkyu [6k\]: <3
cugel [1k\]: lol
Tetriste [1d\]: tetriste = t'es triste
teenkyu [6k\]: dude cugel
teenkyu [6k\]: mingjiu isplaying his student
MoonCrash [3k\]: cugel--is that from vance?
teenkyu [6k\]: who's only like 14!!
teenkyu [6k\]: LOL
]
;B[ii]C[braincrash [?\]: wonderful if this works
cugel [1k\]: yup from Jack Vance novels
merik [11k\]: age doent mean much in the go world
MoonCrash [3k\]: cool
Atdawn [1d\]: age is just a number
MoonCrash [3k\]: hes one of my favorites
goren2 [5k\]: f10?
teenkyu [6k\]: 5 ten doesn't work
dingdongg: f10 only move
seishiro [1k\]: f9
compendium [?\]: w will sacrifice 3 stones
Mdx [5k\]: age means a lot, if you learn go with less than 10 years, you be dan in no time
merik [11k\]: e9
teenkyu [6k\]: white wants to stay connected
blob [4k\]: ...l9?
USGO1 [-\]: 2011 North American Masters Tournament results  can be found online at http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/112. Check back each night for the recorded games and results.
cugel [1k\]: yeah great writer, very important for me
Stoneflow [-\]: f9 looks like it
]
;W[ej]C[teenkyu [6k\]: OH HOT DAMN
xevad [3k\]: cugel is black still playing "those" moves
dingdongg: who is cugel?
Atdawn [1d\]: E9?
Sutoh1972: w good
Tetriste [1d\]: w will get l9
seishiro [1k\]: e9 does not look good 
xevad [3k\]: I just joined the game
cugel [1k\]: those moves ? mmmh b seems woke up with K18
NattyIce [1d\]: g10 bad here?
braincrash [?\]: b wins this race
dingdongg: hi XEVADS
cugel [1k\]: and found this difficult cut, impressive
dingdongg: xevad :)
]
;B[gj]C[xevad [3k\]: hi
Mdx [5k\]: its funny that many moves behind we were all saying b resign
Mdx [5k\]: lol
NattyIce [1d\]: cool
teenkyu [6k\]: oh snap/.
cugel [1k\]: he will
NattyIce [1d\]: he at least gets out
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu leans in to look closely at the board
Tetriste [1d\]: l9 first?
seishiro [1k\]: looks like white has it tough now 
kaminoyari [7k\]: g11?
cuby [1k?\]: are there any video feeds?
USGO5 [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
cuby [1k?\]: thanks!
teenkyu [6k\]: thats commentary
ErrorProne [1k?\]: nice fight here.
teenkyu [6k\]: >:(
]
;W[qc]C[cugel [1k\]: it's incredible commentary & everyone laughing
NattyIce [1d\]: w counterattack!
NattyIce [1d\]: right again!
cugel [1k\]: w wants ko
cugel [1k\]: so many big threats
cuby [1k?\]: who is this doing commentary?
seishiro [1k\]: or likes a big fight
compendium [?\]: wow
KinoNoTabi [?\]: the commentary would be better if they had better sound
goren2 [5k\]: this is a good game
Tetriste [1d\]: isnt there an easier way in?
seishiro [1k\]: cathy le 
seishiro [1k\]: li
MoonCrash [3k\]: whew
dingdongg: r17 = free ko?
cugel [1k\]: some pretty lady
]
;B[pc]C[Tetriste [1d\]: wow
QualityDr [10k?\]: They need to get wireless mic on her.
compendium [?\]: wow
Illyria [?\]: Hajin Lee 3p
cuby [1k?\]: she needs a lav mic!
compendium [?\]: q17??
dingdongg: omg
compendium [?\]: i am confused
Tetriste [1d\]: q17 feels so unnatural
cugel [1k\]: this is to avoid the ko
seishiro [1k\]: r16?
goren2 [5k\]: gives corner
xevad [3k\]: this seems to be blacks style
Tetriste [1d\]: w tenuki
NattyIce [1d\]: good if b gets sente from this
Tetriste [1d\]: and come back later
xevad [3k\]: look at his earlier games
braincrash [?\]: b+3
compendium [?\]: maybe he read deeper
seishiro [1k\]: if white live black get sente 
goren2 [5k\]: is he gonna kill k15 if w takes corneer?
]
;W[rd]C[yiui: k15 hard2kill
USGO1 [-\]: he slams that one down hard
seishiro [1k\]: probably since the corner is big 
dingdongg: alive?
braincrash [?\]: l9 also big
Tetriste [1d\]: cant see how to kill
seishiro [1k\]: not yet
MoonCrash [3k\]: i cant see w losing now
dingdongg: looks like alive
dingdongg: pretty alive
tesuji [-\]: he's trying not to make black too thick
seishiro [1k\]: s15 should work
]
;B[qe]C[braincrash [?\]: b has more cash
Tetriste [1d\]: r18
]
;W[re]
;B[rf]C[dingdongg: s15 first
dingdongg: he wants atack k14?
USGO1 [-\]: This year's North American Masters Tournament has prizes totaling $1800 for the top six finishers.
xevad [3k\]: well white lives..
dingdongg: its impossible to do that but i dont know b plain
seishiro [1k\]: looks like it could be a ko
Clynch7 [2k?\]: s13?
goren2 [5k\]: all that stone slamming against a 13 year old
Tetriste [1d\]: this is alive unless w tenuki
horacelamb [3d\]: it's alive
xevad [3k\]: this shape  is alive
Stoneflow [-\]: s18?
Shenron [1d\]: q18
seishiro [1k\]: yeah
googlebear [3k\]: right now it isnt about  live or die   its about sente
adamb1 [12k?\]: $1800, that's it?
cuby [1k?\]: 1800 barely covers cost of congress + hotel ;)
kaminoyari [7k\]: that's it
Sutoh1972: w p14?
Derwyddon [10k\]: dont play go for the money
dingdongg: only for money
seishiro [1k\]: not good to play go just for the money
braincrash [?\]: for chix
Tetriste [1d\]: p14 is interesting
kaminoyari [7k\]: everything is about money
andrewgr [3k\]: pros get compensated for attending
xevad [3k\]: I don't see a way for white to get sente
USGO1 [-\]: Calvin checks his opponent's time... white has 40 minutes while black has 47
seishiro [1k\]: q18?
tesuji [-\]: o16
blob [4k\]: f11
dingdongg: well
Tetriste [1d\]: o18 :O
dingdongg: o18 is what?
dingdongg: xD
kungming [3k\]: USGO, do you have a video streaming?
dingdongg: he is not showing the game
]
;W[fi]C[blob [4k\]: yay
xevad [3k\]: white plays elsewhere is a good way I guess..
cugel [1k\]: ho ho
dingdongg: it was a pro move
USGO5 [-\]: i'm just doing the commentary with video tonight
braincrash [?\]: launch into endgame
xevad [3k\]: I won't be imitating this =)
kungming [3k\]: i see. Thanks anyways
cugel [1k\]: i don't get it...
andrewgr [3k\]: no matter how many years i play or study, i'll never be able to keep my fingers from automatically playing L9 as white
mw2a [1k\]: always tenuki to llet groups die. it looks cool
dingdongg: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
Sutoh1972: W aiming g14?
mw2a [1k\]: this is much bigger than corner
dingdongg: the video live
dingdongg: :-D
Tetriste [1d\]: why not e9
cugel [1k\]: yeah funny
xevad [3k\]: mw2a maybe I need to learn how to let groups die
mw2a [1k\]: yeah. sometimes it's best just to let them die if they displease you
kungming [3k\]: thanks
goren2 [5k\]: e9?
cugel [1k\]: this pro girl is like super cool
tesuji [-\]: it's not so easy to kill the corner cleanly, but w has the center group too...
horacelamb [3d\]: e9 d9 f9 c10 
Tetriste [1d\]: yeah nvm
blob [4k\]: it be more an exchange than a sacrifice
seishiro [1k\]: your right andrewger it would be hard to keep my finger off of l9
Sutoh1972: with g14, w upper group is alive
juvie: UR is ko?
seishiro [1k\]: but h11 then l9 
cugel [1k\]: i like L9 not being played, that's real suspense show
kaminoyari [7k\]: why would anyone play l9 here?
horacelamb [3d\]: l9 is probably 15 points
blob [4k\]: aji-keshi
braincrash [?\]: hes wondering if he can k10 and still win the semei
andrewgr [3k\]: that's not aji
seishiro [1k\]: pretty big though
horacelamb [3d\]: I think more gote than aji kesi
Tetriste [1d\]: resign?
virtuoso [3k\]: 黑得好像沒什麼地
andrewgr [3k\]: something that just plain works isn't aji
seishiro [1k\]: not yet
goren2 [5k\]: h11, g11, h12, has to j12
blob [4k\]: well that too
xevad [3k\]: aji keshi gets a new meaning each day..
blob [4k\]: the aji is elsewhere *hint*
ErrorProne [1k?\]: is L9 really ajikeshi?  Doesn't it make good on the aji?
horacelamb [3d\]: it's gote, which is the problem
cugel [1k\]: L9 is aji keshi
braincrash [?\]: k10 g9 f9 g11 h11 f10 g8 g10 e9 d10 
Tetriste [1d\]: only thing possibly wrong with l9 is that b may get forcing moves to get stronger against m13
joey [4k\]: i think that black is behind in territory and with f11 and l9 white has the game
Mongoose11 [8k\]: f10
mw2a [1k\]: someone needs to do a weird al style parody of a ke$ha song and call it aji ke$hi
Tetriste [1d\]: is l9 really gote?
horacelamb [3d\]: haha
ErrorProne [1k?\]: lol
kcharris12 [1k\]: l9 sente
cugel [1k\]: lol
goren2 [5k\]: g11 simple and good for  b i think?
seishiro [1k\]: no
kaminoyari [7k\]: why would black respond? -.-
cugel [1k\]: that would be nerd :))
xevad [3k\]: could probably get Ke$ha to do it
xevad [3k\]: she does anything for money
braincrash [?\]: g11 is good and simple if its enough points
cugel [1k\]: lololololololol !
Tetriste [1d\]: I'd play l9 just to know what the heck black will answer to it
Ahui [10k\]: maybe w l9 if h9 is 100% dead
Ahui [10k\]: :P
seishiro [1k\]: g12 then e13?
virtuoso [3k\]: IS　Ｓ16 Alive?
virtuoso [3k\]: if black S18 can it alive?
]
;B[ek]C[Tetriste [1d\]: wow
xevad [3k\]: what is Calvin doing right now USGO
Tetriste [1d\]: my move
Tetriste [1d\]: but
dingdongg: luck
Tetriste [1d\]: not the move I would've played
Stoneflow [-\]: he has to choose one group right
seishiro [1k\]: too agressive?
Tetriste [1d\]: not agressive
Tetriste [1d\]: w wins points
Tetriste [1d\]: b gets sente
Tetriste [1d\]: ?
blob [4k\]: w g11
seishiro [1k\]: why not c9?
mw2a [1k\]: d9 f9 d10 is what b wants
mw2a [1k\]: can w do somethin else?
USGO1 [-\]: USGO1 was away from the table for the last 5 minutes because his foot was falling asleep
horacelamb [3d\]: I don't see anything else
horacelamb [3d\]: hahaha
dingdongg: lol usgo
Sutoh1972: b wants sente here
Sutoh1972: then n14
horacelamb [3d\]: good work waking 'er up Dennis
cugel [1k\]: what is happening ?? master is losing ??
goren2 [5k\]: can w f9, d9, then g9?
Ahui [10k\]: g11 ?
Tetriste [1d\]: I'm not losing...
Tetriste [1d\]: d9, nothing to think?
horacelamb [3d\]: yeah
cugel [1k\]: i mean Mingjiu Jian Tseu
ErrorProne [1k?\]: what if g9 first?
cugel [1k\]: Jiang !
horacelamb [3d\]: g11 d9 
USGO1 [-\]: Calvin checks the time: w 34m, b 40m
Tetriste [1d\]: g9 and I will send you to hell with d9
]
;W[dk]
;B[fk]C[horacelamb [3d\]: yeah
]
;W[cj]
;B[gh]C[dingdongg: s18 now
horacelamb [3d\]: well, w ends in sente
Tetriste [1d\]: that was gote afterall?<
mw2a [1k\]: hmm, so he didn't want sente
dingdongg: S18
goren2 [5k\]: l9
goren2 [5k\]: hm w needs s18 to live?
]
;W[mc]
;B[mb]
;W[nd]C[Tetriste [1d\]: q18?
kcharris12 [1k\]: n17 did look nice :D
cugel [1k\]: nice move master
goren2 [5k\]: p9?
compendium [?\]: thank you cugel
cugel [1k\]: but it feels w is behind !!
Tetriste [1d\]: do not worry
Tetriste [1d\]: light shall prevail over darkness
blob [4k\]: o10
]
;B[rb]C[cugel [1k\]: i'm worried about the master :/
mw2a [1k\]: evil will always triumph because good is dumb
kcharris12 [1k\]: ko?
Diabolus [5k\]: w dead
kaminoyari [7k\]: good isn't dumb
SunnyD [2d\]: mw2a, please comment on game 
kaminoyari [7k\]: good is simply bound by morals
wbathurs [1d\]: not dead yet
horacelamb [3d\]: haha no one caught his movie quote
Kain [11k\]: evil also bound by morals...just different ones
graemy [2d\]: no one likes spaceballs anymore
]
;W[oc]
;B[nb]C[horacelamb [3d\]: it's the best!
]
;W[rg]C[kaminoyari [7k\]: what morals would those be?
cugel [1k\]: Jiang !!!
xevad [3k\]: and now for something completely different
graemy [2d\]: yea, youre right
]
;B[qf]C[Tetriste [1d\]: which quote horacelamb, I'm french
USGO1 [-\]: the crowd has grown to about a dozen spectators
seishiro [1k\]: ko?
cugel [1k\]: such masterful endame
horacelamb [3d\]: the "good is dumb" one
juvie: video link?
Tetriste [1d\]: oh
]
;W[qb]C[xevad [3k\]: Monty Python!
USGO1 [-\]: the table shook a little with that one
]
;B[pb]C[xevad [3k\]: hmm
]
;W[ra]C[mw2a [1k\]: earthquake?
ErrorProne [1k?\]: hey, there's a nice term.  ITs just the enddame.
horacelamb [3d\]: very nice
Diabolus [5k\]:  ko in t 13 ? 
]
;B[sc]C[horacelamb [3d\]: looks like he'll avoid ko
Tetriste [1d\]: I'm confused
horacelamb [3d\]: or at least get a better one
SergeyASh [9k\]: ko?
hk126 [3k\]: t18
]
;W[rh]C[Sutoh1972: w happy with the ko
seishiro [1k\]: yes
blob [4k\]: damn happy
cugel [1k\]: masterful
kcharris12 [1k\]: this is good for w :D
Tetriste [1d\]: why no keep this one for the ko?
seishiro [1k\]: beautiful
]
;B[sf]C[kcharris12 [1k\]: still a ko
Tetriste [1d\]: yeah
Tetriste [1d\]: but
kaminoyari [7k\]: he's saying it's a ko threat
Tetriste [1d\]: a local threat
kaminoyari [7k\]: to run out and live anyways
Tetriste [1d\]: local threats are the best too
]
;W[kk]
;B[jj]
;W[lk]
;B[ro]
;W[rn]C[anathema [4k\]: why not just t18 for black? 
xevad [3k\]: black should kill the corner..
go4fun2010 [3k\]: w wins anyway
Tetriste [1d\]: t18 gote
kcharris12 [1k\]: t18 is gote
anathema [4k\]: ah
igoAggie [3k\]: keeping sente is bigger than those points?
kcharris12 [1k\]: still 18 points though!
dingdongg: spent a local threat
Tetriste [1d\]: depends on points
mw2a [1k\]: sorry, i am bad. why t17 and not t18?
blob [4k\]: i vote for death
]
;B[qi]
;W[ri]C[blob [4k\]: ...
SunnyD [2d\]: W doesn't see T18!!!!!
Tetriste [1d\]: if b is behind, he can't play t18
Diabolus [5k\]: t 18 is gote 
anathema [4k\]: that was anathema's question too!
sequence [3k\]: b o10
USGO5 [-\]: and it was answered in the commentary
anathema [4k\]: and that was tetristes' answer
xevad [3k\]: if black can't play t18.. then that means he lost..
kcharris12 [1k\]: of course w see's t18..
farmer [4d\]: t18 is better than t17
SunnyD [2d\]: W is too tired now
SunnyD [2d\]: T18 simple life and death move
mw2a [1k\]: i mean black t18 not white
]
;B[nf]C[cuby [1k?\]: Lee says W still ahead
kcharris12 [1k\]: i thought w could live if b t18
kungming [3k\]: kill
kcharris12 [1k\]: or still get ko
Tetriste [1d\]: what did I answer?
mw2a [1k\]: i see a ko, but this also ko
anathema [4k\]: my t18 question...
hk126 [3k\]: o13?
Tetriste [1d\]: oh
xevad [3k\]: they are saying black can't play it because he can't afford to take gote
]
;W[ng]C[hahago123: Q18 not live yet?
kcharris12 [1k\]: its alive
goren2 [5k\]: b behind by 10 if he t18's.
mw2a [1k\]: t18 instead of t17
mw2a [1k\]: ...
blob [4k\]: i guess the timing will be very tricky
awegaw: yea why t17?
dingdongg: T18 dont works
]
;B[og]
;W[nh]C[mw2a [1k\]: sequence?
Stoneflow [-\]: i dont se a ko in top right
kcharris12 [1k\]: then t14 t15 t12 i think
dingdongg: wait
anathema [4k\]: is there an echo?
Tetriste [1d\]: if b t18 instead of t17, its just another ko
blob [4k\]: not evrybody watches the tv stream...
SunnyD [2d\]: players are tired, T18!!!!
kcharris12 [1k\]: i cant find it ):
mw2a [1k\]: yes, i thought so
dingdongg: nvm i still dont undestand why not t18
]
;B[mf]C[mw2a [1k\]: ty, tetriste
dingdongg: :)
]
;W[lf]C[xevad [3k\]: hmm some people were not asking why not t18 instead of t17
]
;B[mg]C[mw2a [1k\]: t18 t15 t17 t14 s12 t12 t11 s11 t12 ko
mw2a [1k\]: i think
]
;W[mh]C[tesuji [-\]: if t18, t15 t17 t14 s12 t13 s11 q11 p12 p11 o12 
awegaw: yea something like that
braincrash [?\]: w+1 not counting upright ko
mw2a [1k\]: hmm
LeeTekSum [3d\]: b wants to keep some pressure on this group 1st
Diabolus [5k\]: O: !!! 
Tetriste [1d\]: w dead
Diabolus [5k\]: cut !!!! 
power [3k\]: interesting
kaminoyari [7k\]: w alive
Tetriste [1d\]: oh wait
Tetriste [1d\]: no
Sutoh1972: now b resign
Tetriste [1d\]: dang
googlebear [3k\]: cut doesnt kill 
MXHero [3d\]: w has the cut at p14 for some extra moves
power [3k\]: cut first think later :)
Tetriste [1d\]: m12 o15 p14 l16 
dingdongg: cut first think later is my proverb.
kaminoyari [7k\]: I will cut you
LeeTekSum [3d\]: cut at n17
dingdongg: cut first think after 
hk126 [3k\]: o15 first?
awegaw: i think everyone usually cuts first and thinks later
GentleGo [-\]: faield
Diabolus [5k\]: cut !!!!Dx 
dingdongg: CUT FIRST THINK AFTER :D
]
;B[ne]C[juvie: type first, think... what's that?
kaminoyari [7k\]: yay
kungming [3k\]: good move
blob [4k\]: agreed
ericausa [3d\]: cut without think
SunnyD [2d\]: cut first cut later!!!!!!11!
power [3k\]: lol
Worthless [-\]: Thinking is the bane of mankind
patrickn [2k\]: it so isnt
kungming [3k\]: cut and knowing it doesnt work is pointless
ericausa [3d\]: cutting is Go-game 101
Worthless [-\]: But it's fun.
GentleGo [-\]: booo worthless
blob [4k\]: cutting is worthless if you aren't threatening the cut parts
]
;W[lh]C[kungming [3k\]: many times, threatening is better than actually doing it
]
;B[sb]C[Worthless [-\]: Boo yourself, GentleGo.
Tetriste [1d\]: I'm a surgeon, what am I doing if I don't cut
kaminoyari [7k\]: threatening to do something is always better than doing it
dingdongg: he just played t18 in gote
Tetriste [1d\]: even if it doesn't work, gotta try!!
GentleGo [-\]: =)
horacelamb [3d\]: is the scoring ing or AGA?
awegaw: has to be aga
smonds1 [3k\]: AGA''
awegaw: its aga sponsored after all
kcharris12 [1k\]: b11 b12
dingdongg: i give 1 dollar for who knows the next move
xevad [3k\]: peeping a cut is threatening to cut.. so I can't agree that it is always better
horacelamb [3d\]: thanks
cugel [1k\]: wow
cugel [1k\]: guzumi
goren2 [5k\]: works
kaminoyari [7k\]: ineffective threats aren't included in my statement =P
Tetriste [1d\]: a5
SergeyASh [9k\]: r13 
mw2a [1k\]: if you have to cut, just cut don't think
Sutoh1972: w can kill r11
goren2 [5k\]: w dead
dingdongg: who is that guy laughing all the time?
LeeTekSum [3d\]: looks like white winning
Worthless [-\]: Ah, but you have to think if you want to know if you 'have' to cut.
xevad [3k\]: you made no comment about efficiency..
kaminoyari [7k\]: it was implied
mw2a [1k\]: you guys suck at movie references
hk126 [3k\]: very close now
SunnyD [2d\]: P12!!!!!
kungming [3k\]: cut cut cut!
farmer [4d\]: p16 big
Worthless [-\]: Who's doing movie refs?
farmer [4d\]: may be r13
dingdongg: A5 i think
Tetriste [1d\]: I prefer sentes
Tetriste [1d\]: so a5
kaminoyari [7k\]: clearly things that aren't better than something else tend to not be better
Tetriste [1d\]: a5 is double sente too
dingdongg: yea my move a5 is better
Tetriste [1d\]: I called it before
xevad [3k\]: too verbose
ErrorProne [1k?\]: double sente?
ericausa [3d\]: who are these players?
kungming [3k\]: black so behind
dingdongg: my move is better i think
dingdongg: a pro
SergeyASh [9k\]: g11 ?
blob [4k\]: and what the hell is double sente?
kungming [3k\]: A pro and his protege
Tetriste [1d\]: double sente = sente for both
ericausa [3d\]: are they all chinese?
Worthless [-\]: Sente for both sides
horacelamb [3d\]: a5 is definately very big
blob [4k\]: how?
hk126 [3k\]: r13?
kungming [3k\]: all strong usa players are asian migrants
Worthless [-\]: a5/a6 is double sente; a6 for white, a5 for black
kungming [3k\]: except mkichael redmond
dingdongg: p11
dingdongg: for b
blob [4k\]: i though go was a turn based game :-/
goren2 [5k\]: a5 sequence then b12
MXHero [3d\]: a5 isn't too big; even if b plays it, w has d1 and b must a2 after
Worthless [-\]: Not simultaneously...
NattyIce [1d\]: b11?
dingdongg: A5 biggest
dingdongg: move
Tetriste [1d\]: might as well take a5 though
andrewgr [3k\]:  lol SE lower left corner
smonds1 [3k\]: white is probably counting to figure out what type of play needs to make
MXHero [3d\]: i like b12/b13
Sutoh1972: a5
smonds1 [3k\]: hence the delay
xevad [3k\]: I want to hear Mingjiu's voice
Tetriste [1d\]: b11 better than b13?
MXHero [3d\]: i meant b13 if b plays, but yeah probably
gre: you can never discard the sandwich theory
Tetriste [1d\]: oh ok
ErrorProne [1k?\]: I wonder how much time they have left.
awegaw: w up maybe 10 points?
smonds1 [3k\]: no . less
smonds1 [3k\]: white is up by the komi
]
;W[md]C[xevad [3k\]: "hah do you think this is good for white or good for black.. I think it is good for white"
MXHero [3d\]: oh actually think about the sequence a6 a7 a5 b11 
Tetriste [1d\]: wait... wut?
xevad [3k\]: is what he would probably say
seishiro [1k\]:  p16 is better why n16?
Tetriste [1d\]: I'm not sure I understand this one
]
;B[od]C[Sutoh1972: a5 then s13
kungming [3k\]: at the end of the day, middle game is about how you stick all your pieces together
]
;W[oh]C[xevad [3k\]: I think white didn't want black to get forcing moves in sente probably
]
;B[bi]C[I0O0I [8k\]: how old is calvin?
MXHero [3d\]: sorry my sequence was bad, move b11 to b10 and we might see why a6 isn't very big
xevad [3k\]: so he sacked P17
mw2a [1k\]: go club will get mad at you if you start gluing stones together
kungming [3k\]: lol mw
dingdongg: LOL mw
dingdongg: he is funny
kungming [3k\]: funny
dingdongg: very funny
]
;W[bg]C[kungming [3k\]: thats enuf funny, dingdong
Worthless [-\]: No one laughs at my jokes :(
]
;B[da]
;W[ca]
;B[ea]
;W[bb]C[kungming [3k\]: LOL worthless
Tetriste [1d\]: I agree, but instead of n16, w could just play a5 in sente, then b11
]
;B[bk]C[GentleGo [-\]: u're the joke
Worthless [-\]: Well, that wasn't a joke, but thanks.
]
;W[bj]
;B[aj]
;W[bl]C[juvie: $5 a joke, i'll laugh at them for you :)
kungming [3k\]: i tot that was a joke
]
;B[lj]C[dingdongg: b is doing great yose
]
;W[mk]C[RamenEater [3k\]: if you precede those jokes by "Worthless:", I am not surprised
andrewgr [3k\]: i had a job interview last week where one of the interviewers' first question was for me to tell a joke
Worthless [-\]: Only if you'll pay me for the joke...
blob [4k\]: are you guys all stoned, or what?
jaloki [14k\]: maybe
Worthless [-\]: GentleGo, I want a rematch sometime in the future. We'll see who the joke is.
LeeTekSum [3d\]: r13 7 points
]
;B[pg]C[dingdongg: g6
dingdongg: h6*
juvie: um, well, i mean, hmm...what was the question?
LeeTekSum [3d\]: g14 or g6
Tetriste [1d\]: where is the tournament held?
SunnyD [2d\]: why did the chicken cross the road?
kungming [3k\]: bordeaux
hk126 [3k\]: b leads now
]
;W[hn]C[Worthless [-\]: He didn't. The road moved under him.
dingdongg: yea
dingdongg: :D
MXHero [3d\]: nice
USGO5 [-\]: We're in Santa Barbara, California
dingdongg: i win ok
kungming [3k\]: the chicken cross the road because it didn't see the ladder
Tetriste [1d\]: ok thx
dingdongg: im the winner
MXHero [3d\]: :)
juvie: worthless, your audience does have a point, ya know?
dingdongg: lol kung..
xevad [3k\]: ooo
kcharris12 [1k\]: i see a ko if j7
xevad [3k\]: threatens F3
Worthless [-\]: Give me credit. I'm trying.
I0O0I [8k\]: usgo, how old is calvin?
mw2a [1k\]: 14
kungming [3k\]: lol dingdong
SunnyD [2d\]: the chicken crossed the road to get to the juice on the other side
juvie: i applaud your temerity :)
dingdongg: particular sunny D juice
Sutoh1972: b can't afford komi
]
;B[gn]
;W[hm]C[kcharris12 [1k\]: b defends ko
]
;B[gl]C[kungming [3k\]: the chicken crossed the road to find its second eye
SunnyD [2d\]: he can if he has a credit card
KinoNoTabi [?\]: he crossed the road to win at tic tac toe
Worthless [-\]: At least I'm not alone.
dingdongg: a5 is sente?
MXHero [3d\]: this h6 area is really strange
xevad [3k\]: g5?
horacelamb [3d\]: I don't think g5 works
kcharris12 [1k\]: tenuki
MXHero [3d\]: t6?
Tetriste [1d\]: tenuki kinda pointless unless its for a big sente
hk126 [3k\]: h11?
farmer [4d\]: very close
dingdongg: a5 looks like the next move
blob [4k\]: l10?
dingdongg: its big
MXHero [3d\]: a5 is super duper small now
Tetriste [1d\]: yeah a5 lost a lot of value after b11
horacelamb [3d\]: super duper small?
dingdongg: wuper
Tetriste [1d\]: wooper
dingdongg: wopper from bk
horacelamb [3d\]: that clarifies
dingdongg: yes
dingdongg: bk
SergeyASh [9k\]: j7 
MXHero [3d\]: lol
Worthless [-\]: Definitely not alone.
awegaw: im hungry too
tesuji [-\]: w b9 looks interesting
blob [4k\]: if impossible
tesuji [-\]: maybe w doesn't need to try for a ko though
Tetriste [1d\]: it does
Tetriste [1d\]: I'dlike to play b9
mw2a [1k\]: b9 ist occupado
Tetriste [1d\]: like right now
dingdongg: w reading all the yose for now
kcharris12 [1k\]: i think l10 biggest
Tetriste [1d\]: l10 quite big
blob [4k\]: i know right
Tetriste [1d\]: but gote
LeeTekSum [3d\]: j7 might worith 8 points
blob [4k\]: how?
Tetriste [1d\]: j7 quite huge
farmer [4d\]: q4 sente
Tetriste [1d\]: but gote
dingdongg: if b plays j7 then  h5 is sente thats why its big
dingdongg: j7 a free pointt
tesuji [-\]: maybe w t6?
SergeyASh [9k\]: g17 ?
kcharris12 [1k\]: but it's gote for w and 3 points
Tetriste [1d\]: q4 cool
SunnyD [2d\]: G11
tesuji [-\]: t6 is more than three points because w can s4 later
dingdongg: the pro took a long time -.-
cogentidea: y is this game in 2 separate windows?
virtuoso [3k\]: black lose too much
dingdongg: yes
dingdongg: lol
]
;W[of]C[kcharris12 [1k\]: im sure he's finnishing up 
virtuoso [3k\]: at least 10 i think
Tetriste [1d\]: is q4 really sente?
]
;B[pf]C[blob [4k\]: computers play moves like p14...
kcharris12 [1k\]: yes
NotTengen [5k\]: other window is commented on by some pro cognetidea
]
;W[jr]C[Tetriste [1d\]: oh I see it now
]
;B[qj]
;W[qk]
;B[pi]
;W[oj]
;B[sn]
;W[sm]
;B[so]C[MXHero [3d\]: hmm b must be happy about this, right?
]
;W[rl]C[dingdongg: b wins i think
]
;B[im]
;W[ho]C[KaXXoR [11k\]: is there a livestream or something ?
joey [4k\]: black is ahead by 5-7 points
braincrash [?\]: k6 
farmer [4d\]: gote for j7
Tetriste [1d\]: I dont get why w played this way
compendium [?\]: is l10 that small
USGO1 [-\]: white clock gave the 10 minute warning (I think -- its was in Chinese)
farmer [4d\]: should be q4 first
dingdongg: 54 years vs 14 years and the 14 years won :D
xevad [3k\]: ko?
nanotech [2k\]: w has slight poit adv
]
;B[jn]
;W[jo]C[kcharris12 [1k\]: w wins by .5 :D
braincrash [?\]: k6 absolute sente
]
;B[fp]C[Sutoh1972: b needs to defend f4
]
;W[pp]C[LeeTekSum [3d\]: bad move k6
]
;B[po]
;W[oo]
;B[rq]C[dingdongg: L10
dingdongg: now
kcharris12 [1k\]: l1
dingdongg: L10
KinoNoTabi [?\]: r5 would have been better
dingdongg: L10 = 4 pts
lebenou [1d\]: no
go4fun2010 [3k\]: L1
lebenou [1d\]: r5 is bad
go4fun2010 [3k\]: L1 sente
KinoNoTabi [?\]: why is r5 bad?
dingdongg: r5 2 pt gote
KinoNoTabi [?\]: he still lost sente
mw2a [1k\]: 2p small
MXHero [3d\]: if b had played r5 before s3, it would be game over
xevad [3k\]: 4?
dingdongg: sente first , gote later
dingdongg: OK?
Tetriste [1d\]: try to become 2p and see if you're small
lebenou [1d\]: y
xevad [3k\]: isn't worth 5 points
tesuji [-\]: r5 o3 n3 o2 n2 r3 
xevad [3k\]: isn't it
lebenou [1d\]: r5 = lose stones
]
;W[kj]
;B[ki]
;W[li]
;B[fh]C[mw2a [1k\]: oh, r5 for b
Tetriste [1d\]: w plays a lot of gotes
]
;W[ee]C[ZedekBlue [9k\]: Sente is for kyus...
xevad [3k\]: sometimes you gotta gote
seishiro [1k\]: no its ente 
seishiro [1k\]: sente
smonds1 [3k\]: b has a good chance
xevad [3k\]: sometimes a mans gote do what a mans gote do
radishimo [2k\]: pros transcend the level of trying to keep sente all the time and instead look for the most effective move
horacelamb [3d\]: nice
farmer [4d\]: b lost for sure
]
;B[ff]
;W[if]
;B[gf]C[SunnyD [2d\]: xevad, do you know how to speelll???
dingdongg: spell
KGSisKGS: magic spell :P
Kostas [?\]: spell as in magic?
dingdongg: yes
ZedekBlue [9k\]: AVADA KEDAVRA
kcharris12 [1k\]: if w plays i see 1 point for w (:
xevad [3k\]: I don't practice sorcery
dingdongg: isnt abra kadabra?
Angelic: lol
Kostas [?\]: vengalio leviosa, or smth like that, no?
jaloki [14k\]: lol
dingdongg: hmm harry potter
mw2a [1k\]: i like how kostas pretends not to know
Tetriste [1d\]: why not e17 instead of j14
dingdongg: l1 now
dingdongg: for sure
Kostas [?\]: shh shh!
wbathurs [1d\]: e17
SunnyD [2d\]: expecto patronum
mw2a [1k\]: uhhh it's larry cotter or something like that, no?
dingdongg: L one
smonds1 [3k\]: how much time left for players?
ncvncvn: a5
kcharris12 [1k\]: w s16 1 point
seishiro [1k\]: g18 better not e17
Tetriste [1d\]: probably doesnt matter anyway
USGO1 [-\]: 5 minute warning for white
]
;W[ck]
;B[ak]
;W[al]
;B[ai]
;W[ao]
;B[ap]
;W[an]C[dingdongg: now w will play fast
SunnyD [2d\]: anyway, harry potter died and that was the end
dingdongg: a2 ofc
Tetriste [1d\]: sudden death USGO?
SunnyD [2d\]: back to this game
Tetriste [1d\]: or there's byo-yomi?
ncvncvn: strange for W
]
;B[ar]C[hk126 [3k\]: c12
hk126 [3k\]: b12
dingdongg: L 1
basis [7d?\]: on my phone: who is playing mingjiu?
aitkensam [-\]: calvin sun#
xevad [3k\]: Calvin Sun
dingdongg: Calvin Sun 7d
dingdongg: i win
juvie: UR seki?
basis [7d?\]: thx
Tetriste [1d\]: William 3d
dingdongg: lol Tetriste
dingdongg: ur evil
go4fun2010 [3k\]: g18
horacelamb [3d\]: g18 
xevad [3k\]: William was Calvin's previous opponent, different game
]
;W[ks]C[Tetriste [1d\]: I threw a random name
]
;B[mr]C[dingdongg: Freed 4dan
shoutan [?\]: w slightly leads
lose100 [2k\]: w ahead by a couple
shoutan [?\]: but it is very affirmative
dingdongg: Fred
shoutan [?\]: no way to turn back that solid lead
]
;W[ci]
;B[bh]C[dingdongg: w wins
]
;W[di]
;B[eh]C[dingdongg: w was superior :(
]
;W[ei]C[teenkyu [6k\]: e16
]
;B[oi]C[teenkyu [6k\]: puts black ahead
]
;W[ni]C[ZedekBlue [9k\]: W IS superior.
ZedekBlue [9k\]: Not was.
mw2a [1k\]: if w wins he will prove the justic of our culture
ncvncvn: E16
teenkyu [6k\]: e16 puts black ahead
]
;B[ag]C[teenkyu [6k\]: ASFASGFASGHEGASE
teenkyu [6k\]: -.-
lose100 [2k\]: 40 extra years experience pays off ... this time
dingdongg: teenkyu what is that
]
;W[af]C[dingdongg: xD
]
;B[ed]
;W[de]C[teenkyu [6k\]: THANK YOU
]
;B[gb]C[teenkyu [6k\]: t13
teenkyu [6k\]: nooo
teenkyu [6k\]: why ogote
teenkyu [6k\]: play sente moves
teenkyu [6k\]: :(
]
;W[gi]
;B[hi]C[dingdongg: lol teenkyu
dingdongg: :D
]
;W[ib]
;B[kg]C[smonds1 [3k\]: t13 is uber gote
]
;W[kf]C[cugel [1k\]: don'tr worry, he can play yose
teenkyu [6k\]: dammit your mingjius student!
ZedekBlue [9k\]: Forever a kyu...
teenkyu [6k\]: KICK HIS BUTTT
cugel [1k\]: better than we ever will
kcharris12 [1k\]: t16 1 point*
]
;B[ls]
;W[js]C[Tetriste [1d\]: t16 is -1 point you mean?
farmer [4d\]: nothing more than 2 points now
xevad [3k\]: who will get tedomari in this game?
smonds1 [3k\]: blacks time?
blob [4k\]: sente doesn't matter unless the exchange leeds to more sente
]
;B[ec]C[kcharris12 [1k\]: t16 + 1 for w
USGO1 [-\]: 1 min warning
joey [4k\]: black won
]
;W[qo]
;B[sg]C[Kostas [?\]: who's tedomari?
dingdongg: w wins
dingdongg: for sure
]
;W[ja]
;B[ka]
;W[ia]
;B[sh]C[dingdongg: w+9.5 by SE
dingdongg: xD
Tetriste [1d\]: g19 
]
;W[ga]C[tesuji [-\]: if w was losing he would've played c9 at a9, so obviously w thinks he's ahead
]
;B[si]
;W[sj]
;B[fa]
;W[ds]
;B[cs]
;W[ha]C[aitkensam [-\]: they have byo-yomi right?
]
;B[gc]C[Tetriste [1d\]: isnt t10 smaller than g17?
]
;W[ah]C[joey [4k\]: black definitely won
ncvncvn: B 7points
Longshi [-\]: no, same size
]
;B[ge]C[andrewgr [3k\]: dude, white wone by almost 10 points
]
;W[ag]
;B[ie]C[GentleGo [-\]: lol
dingdongg: LOL
xevad [3k\]: white wins all the kos
andrewgr [3k\]: he even wins without komi
]
;W[me]
;B[oe]
;W[he]C[farmer [4d\]: still close
Worthless [-\]: Just a note: SE doesn't work too well with AGA rules
farmer [4d\]: need a machine to count
dingdongg: this is 50 years of experience ^^
dingdongg: that result xD
Illyria [?\]: I think w is up by around 4
Tetriste [1d\]: SE works well with any rules?
smonds1 [3k\]: F10
Ruutana [?\]: W + 2.5
]
;B[rm]
;W[qm]
;B[ie]C[Worthless [-\]: It's usually off even at this stage if the rules are not Japanese
ncvncvn: what's komi?
GentleGo [-\]: i think w's up by a bit 
]
;W[eo]C[aitkensam [-\]: mingjiu wins
]
;B[fn]
;W[he]C[dingdongg: W is like Carl Sangan
]
;B[gk]C[Worthless [-\]: View it offline, switch the rules to Japanese, and you might see a significant difference
dingdongg: he is good
Tetriste [1d\]: g9?
farmer [4d\]: w should win a litle bit
Longshi [-\]: 4.5 points ?
]
;W[ie]
;B[qg]C[Tetriste [1d\]: oh
xevad [3k\]: dame time
awegaw: i think maybe
USGO1 [-\]: dame too fast
awegaw: its .5 game
Tetriste [1d\]: lady time
I0O0I [8k\]: why not f10?
dingdongg: usgo
dingdongg: play the dame
Illyria [?\]: w+2.5
Sutoh1972: no way b has komi
farmer [4d\]: who lost by time?
compendium [?\]: thats too bad
xevad [3k\]: he said they played dame too fast
compendium [?\]: i was looking forward to seeing the dame 
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;W[hq]C[dingdongg: but play for yourself the dame
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;B[gp]C[mw2a [1k\]: yes, dame my favorite part
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;W[hp]
;B[go]
;W[gm]C[dingdongg: dame is the fav part
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;B[fj]
;W[ph]C[Tetriste [1d\]: w+4.5
mw2a [1k\]: mmm, delicious
dingdongg: the best part in go you can like a 9p in dame
Worthless [-\]: filling in dame is very technically challenging, most would say
dingdongg: :D
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;B[hb]C[dingdongg: Im 9p in dame
NOCAPS [1d\]: e4 is huge
xevad [3k\]: Q12 was a good move I guess
SergeyASh [9k\]: e4 
joey [4k\]: w+3.5
Tetriste [1d\]: I know dame tesujis
dingdongg: W+3,5
ErrorProne [1k?\]: There are very few 9p dames.
nocturne19 [2d\]: filling dame is dangerous you can atari yoursefl
dingdongg: W+3.5
Worthless [-\]: Like, take the ratio of e4 to any other move, and you get something tending towards infinity
Tetriste [1d\]: e4 
Worthless [-\]: That's how huge it is
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;W[ep]
;B[]
;W[]TW[aa][ba][ab][cb][ac][bc][cc][ad][bd][cd][kd][ld][ae][be][ce][ke][bf][mi][dj][lj][mj][nj][nk][ok][pk][rk][sk][cl][dl][kl][ll][ml][nl][ol][pl][ql][sl][am][bm][cm][dm][lm][om][pm][rm][ln][nn][po][jp][ir][gs][hs][is]TB[la][ma][na][oa][pa][qa][ra][sa][fb][ob][qb][oc][qc][rc][fd][qd][rd][sd][pe][re][se][of][eg][fg][gg][hg][hh][ih][ji][hj][hk][ik][bp][rp][sp][aq][bq][lq][mq][nq][qq][sq][br][nr][or][pr][qr][rr][sr][as][bs][ms][ns][os][ps][qs][rs][ss]C[xevad [3k\]: there we go
dingdongg: dame is very hard
nocturne19 [2d\]: f3
dingdongg: W+4.5
xevad [3k\]: what was the score?
Longshi [-\]: yep, w+4.5
dingdongg: W+4.5
mw2a [1k\]: gg ty usgo players kibitzers chickens
tesuji [-\]: computer says no
Tetriste [1d\]: stong
xevad [3k\]: USGO?
ncvncvn: gg
Kostas [?\]: thong?
USGO1 [-\]: Thanks for watching
dingdongg: thx dood
USGO1 [-\]: W+4.5
Worthless [-\]: Thank you, USGO1
tesuji [-\]: thanks USGO1 :)
Tetriste [1d\]: thx
xevad [3k\]: ok
joey [4k\]: thxs
dingdongg: next try to film the game
Illyria [?\]: thanks usgo1!
mate105 [2d\]: thank you USGO1
blob [4k\]: f7 nearly turned the game around
ZedekBlue [9k\]: USGO FTW!
dingdongg: USGO IS 9p
cugel [1k\]: very impressed
dingdongg: USGO NEXT I want to see the players playing ok
dingdongg: or 2 cams
dingdongg: is better
oblivion [4d\]: yeah u should video broadcast USGO
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