(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[NZ]SZ[19]KM[8.00]TM[3600]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
GN[Redmond Cup Junior Division - Round 2 - 2008 US Go Congress - Hugh Zhang (6d) vs Andrew Huang (5d)]PW[Hugh Zhang]PB[Andrew Huang]WR[6d]BR[5d]DT[2008-08-04]EV[Redmond Cup Junior Divsion - Round 2]RO[2]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Troy Wahl]C[USGO10 [-\]: Welcome to the Redmond Cup Junior Division, Round 2.
USGO10 [-\]: We have just started
]RE[B+1.00]
;B[cp]
;W[pq]
;B[dc]
;W[pd]
;B[eq]C[Faint31k [1d\]: ok
Faint31k [1d\]: thank you
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;W[de]
;B[dg]
;W[fe]
;B[fc]C[Faint31k [1d\]: how come u arent on the top of the actives game list?
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;W[cc]
;B[cb]
;W[cd]C[USGO10 [-\]: Don't know, ask another admin.
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;B[bb]C[Domsablos [10k\]: so how young is junior?
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;W[cg]C[littlenemo [?\]: i will see if I can get the game moved up to the top of the list
littlenemo [?\]: these kids are both 11
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;B[ch]C[Domsablos [10k\]: cool
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;W[dh]
;B[ci]
;W[eh]
;B[bg]
;W[cf]
;B[dk]
;W[jp]
;B[qn]C[koowled [-\]: does anyone know how long ago these guys started playing go?
G0g0l [1d\]: ten y
odnihs [5k\]: i think andrew has been playing on/off 3-4 years i think..
Faint31k [1d\]: proably before they could walk
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;W[qp]C[littlenemo [?\]: andrew was 4k last year, now he is 5 d!
odnihs [5k\]: yeah
littlenemo [?\]: Hugh played seriously for two years, then stopped for a while
littlenemo [?\]: then started again
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;B[qk]
;W[qi]C[odnihs [5k\]: does Hugh play on kgs?
littlenemo [?\]: yeah, I think he does
odnihs [5k\]: mmk
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;B[on]C[littlenemo [?\]: he might keep his id private though
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;W[pm]
;B[pn]C[littlenemo [?\]: 64 observers noiw
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;W[mp]C[plusguy [-\]: i find this "joseki"  better for w than b
plusguy [-\]: not only in this game :p
plusguy [-\]: why they call it a joseki?
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;B[ok]C[michka [1d\]: which one ?
plusguy [-\]: R6, R4  etc etc untill p9
Prodigious [4d\]: It's called strong groups
Prodigious [4d\]: They're pretty useful to have
plusguy [-\]: dude no matter how u look at it tho w got more
plusguy [-\]: also w got better yose in that area
Prodigious [4d\]: There's still aji left
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;W[qf]C[Domsablos [10k\]: its an invasion what do you expect?
michka [1d\]: in fact, it is quasi sente for b
Uberdude [2d\]: s3 for example
plusguy [-\]: what aji
Uberdude [2d\]: is a famouse tesuji from lee chang ho game
plusguy [-\]: w's bottom is finished
Uberdude [2d\]: not 100%
Prodigious [4d\]: Nah, there's still stuff on the bottom
plusguy [-\]: yeah ko threats
Prodigious [4d\]: And the bottom isn't THAT big
Prodigious [4d\]: More than ko threats
Uberdude [2d\]: h3 k3 s5 s4 
Uberdude [2d\]: then about 20 points
plusguy [-\]: S5 is yose move
plusguy [-\]: an w usually take it first
michka [1d\]: the point is playing r 9 isntead of r10
michka [1d\]: but if w wants to build the bottom, wouldn't q5 have been better than r4 ?
Richdad [5d\]: i met andrew
Richdad [5d\]: strong kid
w00t [2d\]: b can o3
Richdad [5d\]: i would h3
Richdad [5d\]: if w defends k3
Richdad [5d\]: thenj5!
Almdudler [3d\]: stronger than you richdad?
w00t [2d\]: i mesn lster dtill can o3
w00t [2d\]: later
Richdad [5d\]: he wasnt, 2 yerasa ago
lubricated [5k\]: white has nice style
odnihs [5k\]: XD
Richdad [5d\]: but i stopped playing, should check
lubricated [5k\]: w moyo potential now?
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;B[jd]C[Richdad [5d\]: i dont like k16
Richdad [5d\]: f17 strong, f15 strong
Richdad [5d\]: h3 now maybe
Uberdude [2d\]: i don't like this move
Uberdude [2d\]: it does nothing
lubricated [5k\]: g17
lubricated [5k\]: ?
Uberdude [2d\]: prefer h3
michka [1d\]: k16 to prevent a w move in this area
Uberdude [2d\]: what willa  w move do?
Richdad [5d\]: oysy would too, ubre
Richdad [5d\]: :)
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;W[lc]C[Uberdude [2d\]: you get my message?
Richdad [5d\]: lol yeah
Richdad [5d\]: r17 now
Richdad [5d\]: or create kothreats at bottom
Uberdude [2d\]: h3 is jsut a pleasing move
michka [1d\]: wouldn't it be a good move in relation to w's ur corner ?
Richdad [5d\]: no micka
lubricated [5k\]: m17 good
Uberdude [2d\]: well, if he k16
michka [1d\]: cause gote ?
lubricated [5k\]: gosh
Richdad [5d\]: w isnt going to k16
Uberdude [2d\]: corner still invadable like q18
Uberdude [2d\]: so w might close corner
Uberdude [2d\]: at p17
lubricated [5k\]: yea w isnt going to play k16 beause its an illegal move
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;B[nc]C[Uberdude [2d\]: but then b can go into lower side
Richdad [5d\]: mm
Richdad [5d\]: q18 now
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;W[pb]
;B[ld]C[Uberdude [2d\]: d9 is poorly placed too?
lubricated [5k\]: ok i dont like w hite anyore
Uberdude [2d\]: i like white lots here
WoolyMaCha [6k\]: Very smart Chinese kids.
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;W[kc]C[Uberdude [2d\]: w got many points
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;B[kd]
;W[mc]
;B[md]
;W[nb]C[Uberdude [2d\]: what b gonna do with his wall?
michka [1d\]: b ahead
michka [1d\]: just play h3
Over9k [5k\]: put a ladder on it
Uberdude [2d\]: p17 first
Over9k [5k\]: and find the rate of change of the height of the ladder as
Uberdude [2d\]: i think it is a good kikashi
Over9k [5k\]: he continuallly applies force
Over9k [5k\]: to the bottom
Richdad [5d\]: i always wonder uber
mike2096 [5k\]: so the next round will be a few hour after this one?
Uberdude [2d\]: yes i am not sure of p17
USGO10 [-\]: The Sr round is at 7pm PST tonight
Uberdude [2d\]: which is like 3am gmt
w00t [2d\]: q12 good?
Richdad [5d\]: i dont like the direction of play
Richdad [5d\]: f15 is string
Richdad [5d\]: strong, center is not atractive
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;B[jc]C[Uberdude [2d\]: g3
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;W[gq]C[Richdad [5d\]: i prefer h3 for w
Uberdude [2d\]: pleasant game for white
Richdad [5d\]: this leaves too easy an invation
Uberdude [2d\]: true
Uberdude [2d\]: b shimari is tight
FootofGod [4k\]: w is chinese right?
FootofGod [4k\]: both?
porkdog [7k\]: or Chinese American
porkdog [7k\]: impossible to tell from their names
trixxer [3k\]: j3?
w00t [2d\]: Zhang is a chinese name
Over9k [5k\]: so is huang
lubricated [5k\]: ;alskdya
lubricated [5k\]: sorry lag
Over9k [5k\]: lol
w00t [2d\]: Huang depends
Over9k [5k\]: alskdya is not chinese...
Singer [10k\]: What's this game for?
Over9k [5k\]: no if he were viet
Over9k [5k\]: it would be hwang
USGO10 [-\]: All the game info can be found under "rules."
Uberdude [2d\]: thing is if b invade w thickness means even harder to make points in imddle
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;B[fo]C[w00t [2d\]: huang spread far from zhang
Uberdude [2d\]: though maybe he needs to get some more points
Richdad [5d\]: shouldnt make points in meddle
Richdad [5d\]: should make walls to invade easy
Uberdude [2d\]: you tried against cappy =)
Richdad [5d\]: and i lost
Uberdude [2d\]: spectacularly
Uberdude [2d\]: :')
Uberdude [2d\]: but yes i agree b should invade
michka [1d\]: looks like b welcomed g3 f5 exchange
trixxer [3k\]: where would you start ?
RoseGarden [5d\]: l4 works pretty good
RoseGarden [5d\]: L4
RoseGarden [5d\]: or M4
porkdog [7k\]: j4 not daring enough?
Uberdude [2d\]: or j3
Uberdude [2d\]: j4 gets j34
Uberdude [2d\]: j3
Uberdude [2d\]: and little else to continue
Uberdude [2d\]: as g3 is then well placed
RoseGarden [5d\]: yes but m4 - m3- n3..
porkdog [7k\]: ok
RoseGarden [5d\]: reduce alot
Uberdude [2d\]: right the 2 space jump attach and crosscut is typical sabaki
Uberdude [2d\]: and can end up splitting
Richdad [5d\]: how does it go after m4 m5, rosegarden?
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;W[ho]C[Uberdude [2d\]: n3 i guess
RoseGarden [5d\]: not really good anymore..
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;B[gm]C[Richdad [5d\]: time to count
RoseGarden [5d\]: but before this could make life i think
Richdad [5d\]: w comfortably ahead
Richdad [5d\]: should play as simple as possible
lubricated [5k\]: s`10
IIamamiIk [4k\]: reduce b's wall
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;W[dq]C[Richdad [5d\]: mm
Uberdude [2d\]: p11 ?
michka [1d\]: yeah
Richdad [5d\]: this is the kind of complication b needs to turn game
Uberdude [2d\]: or too close to thickness?
Richdad [5d\]: d2?
Uberdude [2d\]: f2 lol
w00t [2d\]: i like f2 ^^
lubricated [5k\]: d3 is not simple -_-
gareth [3k\]: e4
Uberdude [2d\]: b;s not really thick enough for fancy moves
lubricated [5k\]: well i guess white has fighting spirit
Richdad [5d\]: i think he is
lubricated [5k\]: thats never a bad thing
IIamamiIk [4k\]: tenuki
Richdad [5d\]: b has to resist and kill this stone
Uberdude [2d\]: white doesn't need fighting spirit
lubricated [5k\]: but it snever ad
lubricated [5k\]: bad*
Uberdude [2d\]: it is when it makes unneeccessary complications
Uberdude [2d\]: when ahead, play simple and win a won game
lubricated [5k\]: its better than laying down and dying
Uberdude [2d\]: white is leading
porkdog [7k\]: b can not tenuki here
lubricated [5k\]: well b will obviously try o make a fight
lubricated [5k\]: to8
lubricated [5k\]: to*
Jabba [5k?\]: how old are th players?
Uberdude [2d\]: i suffer from the habit of thinking a 50 point win is good, but a 100 win is better
Uberdude [2d\]: not a good trait
Richdad [5d\]: the most agressive move s f3
Richdad [5d\]: but looks very thin
lubricated [5k\]: can b give w 1 eye?
lubricated [5k\]: at c17
Richdad [5d\]: w is oik there
Azlaz [3k\]: does f3 work for b?
gareth [3k\]: doesn't matter much, lubricated, since white is out into the center
lubricated [5k\]: e4
Richdad [5d\]: no one knows Azlaz
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;B[ep]C[lubricated [5k\]: yes but gareth if b can play q12 and get h14 and w plays to get 2 eyes... b can get points in center
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;W[cq]C[redball [3k\]: ko?
RoseGarden [5d\]: atleast ko
Richdad [5d\]: forget about making points in center
Richdad [5d\]: its not good
USGO10 [-\]: b has 30 minutes left, and w has 44.
Uberdude [2d\]: b4 i suppose is consistent
Richdad [5d\]: if b4 it looks like ko
Richdad [5d\]: b4 e2 f2 e1 f3 b3 
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;B[bp]C[Uberdude [2d\]: yup
Uberdude [2d\]: and w got some local threats with the c5 cut
Richdad [5d\]: now b has p17 threat :)
Richdad [5d\]: also g13
Uberdude [2d\]: and p4
Uberdude [2d\]: or more if he doesn't mind loosing points weith the threats
RoseGarden [5d\]: p3 is bad
RoseGarden [5d\]: p4*
michka [1d\]: thought d3 was just a kikashi ...
Richdad [5d\]: yea p4 seems ajikeshi
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;W[er]C[RoseGarden [5d\]: still alot aji at n4
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;B[fr]C[Richdad [5d\]: u never noticed e13 is possible
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;W[cr]C[Richdad [5d\]: i *
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;B[es]
;W[ds]C[Richdad [5d\]: ws threats seem all point losing
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;B[dr]C[lubricated [5k\]: w has local threat
lubricated [5k\]: b*
lubricated [5k\]: and w
Richdad [5d\]: what local threat?
lubricated [5k\]: now w
lubricated [5k\]: not*
lubricated [5k\]: well b has f1
Richdad [5d\]: very painful f1
lubricated [5k\]: yes
w00t [2d\]: g17
lubricated [5k\]: it makes it heavier for him
RoseGarden [5d\]: actually this looks pretty good for black now
gareth [3k\]: wow.  the rules say komi is 8.  seems high.
Richdad [5d\]: w00t: maybe, but b is going to use the thickness to the end with that
lubricated [5k\]: if black can get in with h2 its painful for white
USGO10 [-\]: Ing rules
lubricated [5k\]: gareth, if jigo black wins, so the komi is more like 7.5
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;W[dj]C[gareth [3k\]: ahh.  thanks.
Richdad [5d\]: painful threat
High55 [6d\]: oh
FootofGod [4k\]: see i think jigo should just be jigo
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;B[cj]C[Richdad [5d\]: b still has p17
]
;W[er]C[w00t [2d\]: m4
lubricated [5k\]: p17 good hreat
lubricated [5k\]: benefits black
LiuKang [4d\]: not that good
High55 [6d\]: oh
lubricated [5k\]: w has threats with c17 group?
FootofGod [4k\]: i think w loses
lubricated [5k\]: b*
Richdad [5d\]: whats ws next threat?
Richdad [5d\]: s7 loses many points
Uberdude [2d\]: hmm was e1 to early?
lubricated [5k\]: what else is there? =)
Uberdude [2d\]: should he connect and play the other ko
Richdad [5d\]: w has loads of locals in the other ko
Richdad [5d\]: hard to say
mat [3k\]: g 13
Jabba [5k?\]: w h16?
Uberdude [2d\]: but this ko is nicer if  w wins it
choboco [3k\]: other ko?^^
High55 [6d\]: hoho
gareth [3k\]: can black connect at f3 and if white ends ko be satisfied with ripping up w's bottom territory?
High55 [6d\]: ok
Richdad [5d\]: this 6d is high
Uberdude [2d\]: c2 f3 d1 b2 b3 a3 a2 a1 b1 
GoOoG [6k\]: n18 ?
High55 [6d\]: oh hi
Uberdude [2d\]: my thoughts gareth
High55 [6d\]: who win?
Uberdude [2d\]: the f3 means less damaging if he loses ko
gareth [3k\]: yeah, if f3 white still needs another move to live in corner, neh?
lubricated [5k\]: p4?
w00t [2d\]: how about f12?
Richdad [5d\]: id p17
Gay [4d\]: how old are they btw
High55 [6d\]: only e13..painful
Richdad [5d\]: andrew must be 15
High55 [6d\]: painful for b
USGO10 [-\]: they are 11
Gay [4d\]: o
illa [3k\]: i don't think p17 is that big
gareth [3k\]: maybe back to n3 if b wants to fight ko.
High55 [6d\]: oh p4...also painful
Richdad [5d\]: oh, then its not the andrew i knew
Gay [4d\]: pretty good for 11 year
clorkbah [2d?\]: high55-- you find out who wins by watching the game and where the players place the stones.
hardtowin [1k\]: b f13?
High55 [6d\]: overall b is still ok
High55 [6d\]: perhaps o4?
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;B[oc]C[svgo [3k\]: is this big enough?
Gay [4d\]: yes
Richdad [5d\]: its huge
High55 [6d\]: oh rich
Confuse24 [3k\]: looks lik mine and gws game
High55 [6d\]: how rich are you...
Richdad [5d\]: very
Gay [4d\]: i am richer than you
Jabba [5k?\]: how high are you?
High55 [6d\]: very
fsong2 [1d\]: i know andrew and hugh
svgo [3k\]: his wealth is large, except it exists only in kiyosaki's imagination
LiuKang [4d\]: all beijing is high
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;W[ob]C[High55 [6d\]: beijing is not high as xinjiang
]
;B[dr]C[LiuKang [4d\]: wish i could be there
Richdad [5d\]: no threat now doesnt lose points for w
Azlaz [3k\]: everest... now thats high
High55 [6d\]: 6d vs 5d?
High55 [6d\]: lol
High55 [6d\]: b leading tho
gblitz [1d\]: e18?
fsong2 [1d\]: andrew is donvalley
High55 [6d\]: aga 6d vs. aga 5d ..
High55 [6d\]: that is low
Richdad [5d\]: yea, 3d here
ketchup [5k\]: oh wow he is fsong2?
Richdad [5d\]: you can guess from the game they arent 5d 6d in kgs
Confuse24 [3k\]: no rzhao is 5d here and 6d aga
High55 [6d\]: ok..junior division
High55 [6d\]: that's fine then
High55 [6d\]: bye..all ya onlookers
ketchup [5k\]: naim is later tonight :P
gblitz [1d\]: don't you think e18?
Uberdude [2d\]: i played a close game with an aga 5d
fsong2 [1d\]: hard for w
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;W[eb]
;B[ec]
;W[er]C[Richdad [5d\]: b has q13 too
Richdad [5d\]: not bad threat
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;B[fs]C[FootofGod [4k\]: ...so if b runs out of threats he plays f1 to continue the fight, right?
FootofGod [4k\]: nm
Lilltiger [1d\]: cant b attack the bottom w in a way that makes b winning the ko sente
ninjaheart [-\]: GO HUGH!!!!!!!
FootofGod [4k\]: just happened
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;W[fq]C[Richdad [5d\]: lol lilltiger
]
;B[dr]C[fsong2 [1d\]: go hugh
ninjaheart [-\]: that little guy is gona kill
Richdad [5d\]: dont be so wishful :)
Uberdude [2d\]: q13 seems decent indeed
Lilltiger [1d\]: well without wiches we never get anywhere :)
ninjaheart [-\]: well at camp hugh beat andrew
omundsoj [6k\]: is there a video feed somewhere?
Lynx [2d\]: junior go masters
fsong2 [1d\]: me too
USGO10 [-\]: sorry no video feeds of this game.
Dumed [13k\]: aw man
fsong2 [1d\]: hugh, beat andrew!
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;W[jb]C[Richdad [5d\]: w run out of threats
Richdad [5d\]: the question is..will q13 be big enough?
fsong2 [1d\]: q12 looks better
]
;B[cs]
;W[ib]C[Lynx [2d\]: weird threat
fsong2 [1d\]: best he can do
Uberdude [2d\]: well, i think b could have answered
Uberdude [2d\]: as has q13
XY0908 [-\]: I know I am stupid but wasn't F18 a better threat?
Uberdude [2d\]: f18 loses points though
Over9k [5k\]: f18 loses points though
Richdad [5d\]: it also lost more points
Over9k [5k\]: lol
Uberdude [2d\]: k18 doesn't lose points
Jaiyk [2d?\]: also, it loses points.
Richdad [5d\]: now b can aim at l3 or something
Richdad [5d\]: wipe out bottom
Lynx [2d\]: wow a pertinent useful reply; this isn't the kgs kibitz I'm used to :P
kbag [-\]: go hugh!
fsong2 [1d\]: go hugh!
XY0908 [-\]: Does F18 lose more points?
XY0908 [-\]: ;-)
Lynx [2d\]: :P
jjvv1: fs2, a good player is not only strong at skills, but also honest.
Uberdude [2d\]: f18 g18 
Jaiyk [2d?\]: survey says...
Jaiyk [2d?\]: yes.
jjvv1: you know what I mean. right?
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;B[hc]C[mike2096 [5k\]: n o
AznKid93 [1d\]: Lol i guess no ones rooting for Andrew to win xD
Uberdude [2d\]: oh gote
Uberdude [2d\]: too bad
IIamamiIk [4k\]: f19?
Uberdude [2d\]: if this is his plan should answer
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;W[hb]C[Uberdude [2d\]: he isn't even connected
aqsak [6k\]: if black would respond to f18, white loses more points then if he responds to k18
aqsak [6k\]: thats what they mean
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;B[gb]
;W[ej]C[Richdad [5d\]: invade bottom now
ajistorm [2d\]: i just arrived, but w looks bad in this game
Richdad [5d\]: k2 maybe
Richdad [5d\]: hard to pick move
]
;B[gg]C[fsong2 [1d\]: l4
]
;W[fg]C[YangX [4d\]: l3 
gareth [3k\]: Oh, they get do-overs, eh?  :)
gareth [3k\]: I know, transcription error.
WoolyMaCha [6k\]:  relay error?
YangX [4d\]: why did this game start later than yesterday?
]
;B[gh]C[Jaiyk [2d?\]: carrier pidgeon dropped the stone in the wrong location
gareth [3k\]: probably the guy inputting the game put the stone in the wrong place
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;W[ek]C[redball [3k\]: seems like it helps b
USGO10 [-\]: The players got here later today.
USGO10 [-\]: Yes, there was a transcription error.
fsong2 [1d\]: time?
fsong2 [1d\]: for players
USGO10 [-\]: b 10 minutes, w 32
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;B[dl]
;W[gf]
;B[hf]
;W[he]
;B[if]C[Richdad [5d\]: whats ws profit in this moves?
Richdad [5d\]: just make b thicker
porkdog [7k\]: yeah, true
porkdog [7k\]: i can't see any profit
ajistorm [2d\]: better living shape + cut later i guess
YangX [4d\]: ya
Richdad [5d\]: which cut
YangX [4d\]: probably watching te cut
YangX [4d\]: j17 
Richdad [5d\]: theres not cut at j15
YangX [4d\]: idk why tho...
]
;W[gj]C[Uberdude [2d\]: jsut yose moves i guess
FootofGod [4k\]: needs one more move to even be a cut...
svgo [3k\]: is q12 the place to press on the right?
gareth [3k\]: j17 can cut, but cuts two live groups, so who cares?
Richdad [5d\]: if theres not cut at j15, theres nothing
ajistorm [2d\]: he prepares attack sente with like o14, threatening cut later i think
Richdad [5d\]: and i think g10 is not right direction, i think he should j7 
Richdad [5d\]: trying to defend bottom
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;B[pg]C[porkdog [7k\]: there we go
Richdad [5d\]: i still believe focus is on bottom
Richdad [5d\]: sides before center
ajistorm [2d\]: b does not want w to enter as i said
svgo [3k\]: hmm, q13 has the followup at q11; looks better than q12
Richdad [5d\]: after w j10 theres notihng in center
kbag [7d\]: i think black should've played L3
Richdad [5d\]: i agree the focus is on bottom, but i have a hard time picking a move, kbag
kbag [7d\]: lol
YangX [4d\]: l3 would be my choice
YangX [4d\]: as stated a few moves ago
robertm [2d\]: How about K3?
USGO10 [-\]: Andrew has left for a break...
AmyLouLou [9k\]: hey Richdad, Congrats on 5d 
Malingo [4d\]: i would m4
]
;W[qg]C[USGO10 [-\]: now Hugh has left for a break.
lubricated [5k\]: p15
rosepark22 [3k\]: Is center that important? what if B does not have chance to invade bottom and give away huge points?
USGO10 [-\]: Clock is still running
lubricated [5k\]: time left USGO?
lubricated [5k\]: andrew should be nice and stop his clock =)
robertm [2d\]: Will this game be reviewed?  I would be very interested for a professional comment on invasion at bottom
USGO10 [-\]: B has 6:30, w 27 minutes
XY0908 [-\]: Have we thanked USGO10 for his hard work?
ajistorm [2d\]: so far maybe i'm the only one but i agree with the players
USGO10 [-\]: Andrew just came back
lubricated [5k\]: his/her =)
lubricated [5k\]: you said hugh left, not andrew
Dumed [13k\]: they both left
porkdog [7k\]: here here XY, thanks USGO10
Hoole3 [9k\]: who is ahead?
gareth [3k\]: yeah, thanks USGO10.  We appreciate your putting the game in.  :)
USGO10 [-\]: The game will be commented in the E Journal, I think
Dumed [13k\]: i'm actually interested in if these games are going to be reviewed later
Dumed [13k\]: oh
Dumed [13k\]: lol
lubricated [5k\]: p114
]
;B[pi]C[lubricated [5k\]: how strong is USGO? =)
svgo [3k\]: 10d
WoolyMaCha [6k\]: 9p
MrShintou [-\]: Troy Wahl =D
Dumed [13k\]: wow
lubricated [5k\]: thats a title svgo, judan
XY0908 [-\]: P114 is at nine boards down to your left, lubricated.
googlebear [2k\]: L3 and J2
]
;W[pj]C[USGO10 [-\]: I'm twahl on kgs
gblitz [1d\]: l3 is quite nice
]
;B[qh]
;W[rh]
;B[ph]
;W[qj]
;B[oj]C[gblitz [1d\]: g2!
Ensatsu [11k\]: g2?
ajistorm [2d\]: just be patient, south comes soon
gblitz [1d\]: comes now
neojowzer [4k\]: hugh isn't doing so good...
YangX [4d\]: l3!!!
Tsuijin [1d\]: g2 feels kind bleh
gblitz [1d\]: either white plays some gote q9 or g2
gblitz [1d\]: what?
svgo [3k\]: L3 is hughge
lubricated [5k\]: hes trying tsuijin
ajistorm [2d\]: perhaps w j10 and b south
]
;W[of]C[fsong2 [1d\]: g2 dosent feel right to me
lubricated [5k\]: l3 is connected?
gblitz [1d\]: ..
gblitz [1d\]: l3
lubricated [5k\]: theres no way
gblitz [1d\]: l3 destroys the bottome
gblitz [1d\]: bottom
lubricated [5k\]: b came back
gblitz [1d\]: or corner
YangX [4d\]: if white wants 2 protect side, id say h2 
robertm [2d\]: b will not get much in center now
kbag [7d\]: i was thinking about B s3 and then o3 after
gareth [3k\]: push through
michka [1d\]: rich's j7 looks more and more interesting
Zyphe [10k\]: does o13 answer p14?
Richdad [5d\]: doesnt look good style kbag
gblitz [1d\]: i guess cut at j17 could be annoying now
Richdad [5d\]: s3 mochikomi
Richdad [5d\]: and not a small one
ajistorm [2d\]: i think b will win this game
]
;B[ng]
;W[nf]C[gareth [3k\]: what's mochikomi, Richdad?
Richdad [5d\]: b trying to make points in center stil
lubricated [5k\]: b turned it around
Richdad [5d\]: stones that die without compensation gareth
gareth [3k\]: Thank you.
robertm [2d\]: yes b doesn't need much in the center ::-)
porkdog [7k\]: it's when w gets mochi to make up for b getting 1st move
lubricated [5k\]: komi = points... so mochi must be free or something lol
Reborned [1k\]: hey is jie lee playign in ether the US opean or the ing ?
]
;B[mf]C[Uberdude [2d\]: mochi sounds like muchly
]
;W[og]
;B[nh]C[porkdog [7k\]: mochi = pounded rice
gblitz [1d\]: h2?
]
;W[ij]C[gblitz [1d\]: aaa
porkdog [7k\]: surely b must rip out bottom now
ajistorm [2d\]: yes
Uberdude [2d\]: o12 some good dame
Uberdude [2d\]: and damaged r9
Uberdude [2d\]: looks like total failure to me
Richdad [5d\]: the exchanges benefit w to defend bottom
Richdad [5d\]: its urgent now
Uberdude [2d\]: btw i will show the s3 tesuji in lee chang ho gam
]
;B[ji]C[Tsuijin [1d\]: mmm
porkdog [7k\]: ok w h2
]
;W[jj]C[gareth [3k\]: 015 saves those two and threatens q14 again for black.
ajistorm [2d\]: be patient ^^
]
;B[kj]C[Richdad [5d\]: this center is so small!
]
;W[ii]C[porkdog [7k\]: yeah, both ignoring bottom
]
;B[jh]C[Reborned [1k\]: b si doign great he might not hav as much terotry yet but white can really get lowered at the bottom 
Richdad [5d\]: w is building thickness
]
;W[kk]C[Richdad [5d\]: making invasion at bottom harder every move
secondslee [3k\]: w cannot completely defent bottow with one move i guess
YangX [4d\]: but j2 is simple and will def. work
gblitz [1d\]: h2 is a good start
]
;B[lk]C[USGO10 [-\]: b is now in byo-yomi
Richdad [5d\]: the question is
Richdad [5d\]: is it enough?
]
;W[ll]
;B[mk]
;W[ih]C[porkdog [7k\]: what's center worth 15 points maybe?
]
;B[ig]C[Richdad [5d\]: very close game now
gareth [3k\]: maybe 20?
lubricated [5k\]: 22 i count
Richdad [5d\]: then j15
Richdad [5d\]: so small
lubricated [5k\]: but give or take with endgame
Richdad [5d\]: w h2 now
Richdad [5d\]: very close game
porkdog [7k\]: b can cause so much havoc below
]
;W[pk]C[lubricated [5k\]: i think w has a peaceful solution already worked out that ends sente maybe
]
;B[pl]C[Richdad [5d\]: this is big too
]
;W[ql]
;B[ol]C[skeptical [2d\]: i think w leads
]
;W[rk]C[gblitz [1d\]: l3!!!
Richdad [5d\]: k2 now
TheCaptain [4d\]: no, b leads after this move
]
;B[kl]C[fairgo1 [10k\]: O_o
]
;W[jk]C[SunnyD [3d\]: n2
]
;B[lm]C[Richdad [5d\]: pros really going to scold them after game
uuffy: not if u do it first
Zyphe [10k\]: really captain?.. blacks left and upper center, top corner looks so mcuh smaller then whites right side bottom center/cornter and center and top area...
Tsuijin [1d\]: is white gonna play bottom now?
TheCaptain [4d\]: b can reduce bottom
]
;W[hr]C[Zyphe [10k\]: what if white plays h2 to prevent 
Zyphe [10k\]: lol
ikami [1d\]: was huge
Richdad [5d\]: worth over 20 points for sure
]
;B[lp]C[Richdad [5d\]: but b is thick
Richdad [5d\]: maybe he can do someting
TheCaptain [4d\]: crosscut tesuji
ikami [1d\]: n3 ?
lubricated [5k\]: hi thecaptain
ikami [1d\]: for W
]
;W[mq]C[Uberdude [2d\]: b made points with thickness
Zyphe [10k\]: is m5 a bad answer to m4?
lubricated [5k\]: yes
Richdad [5d\]: l4
googlebear [2k\]: might be enough points for b now
ajistorm [2d\]: L4 and b is fin in the game
]
;B[lq]C[gblitz [1d\]: ?
]
;W[lo]C[Richdad [5d\]: risky move
kbag [7d\]: misread?
googlebear [2k\]: why?
]
;B[ko]C[Nacci [6d\]: b just lost..?
ParrotHead [5k\]: greedy?
googlebear [2k\]: b has the ladder?
]
;W[kp]C[SunnyD [3d\]: Fail!
googlebear [2k\]: oh  maybe not
apachai31k [-\]: b too greedy :/
ikami [1d\]: oops
]
;B[mo]
;W[ln]C[Richdad [5d\]: mochikomi
gblitz [1d\]: what was that???
ikami [1d\]: n2 ?
apachai31k [-\]: o5
googlebear [2k\]: n2 wont help b now
USGO10 [-\]: b now has 4 period remaining.
TheCaptain [4d\]: mochikomi means invasion without compensation
ikami [1d\]: n2 or what ?
IstTengen [9k\]: l6 doesnt help?
Azlaz [3k\]: n2 m2 l3 l2 
]
;B[kn]
;W[mn]C[Zyphe [10k\]: this doesnt look good for black right there or am i miss reading?
gareth [3k\]: 05 allos 03 later
XY0908 [-\]: mochikomi sounds delicious.
gareth [3k\]: allows
Nacci [6d\]: only person misreading is black
]
;B[jr]C[ikami [1d\]: n2 m2 o3 is a small compensation but was the best to me
gblitz [1d\]: i hope he has some plan
apachai31k [-\]: looks like overplay
Nacci [6d\]: l2 works
Uberdude [2d\]: w can even j2 
gareth [3k\]: h1 is interesting now
Nacci [6d\]: or just m2
TheCaptain [4d\]: no.. it works..he got h1
Azlaz [3k\]: some kind of ko with h1 ?
YangX [4d\]: a
googlebear [2k\]: no ko
Nacci [6d\]: jujust m2
kbag [7d\]: j2
Zyphe [10k\]: l3?
Uberdude [2d\]: j2 stops h1
Uberdude [2d\]: he got nothing
YangX [4d\]: yes ko
Nacci [6d\]: m2 l3l2 j3
Nacci [6d\]: theres nothing
gblitz [1d\]: im dissapointed
]
;W[ir]
;B[no]
;W[lr]C[ikami [1d\]: ...
Reborned [1k\]: o3
YangX [4d\]: o3 
]
;B[nq]
;W[nr]
;B[np]
;W[kq]C[ajistorm [2d\]: so b just played bad
]
;B[ro]C[gblitz [1d\]: that was pitiful
Reborned [1k\]: naa he is ok
AznKid93 [1d\]: played badly*
SunnyD [3d\]: O6!!
ikami [1d\]: o6 
SunnyD [3d\]: later
Lynx [2d\]: I like jellyfish
fairgo1 [10k\]: ?
SunnyD [3d\]: icecream
GeorgeW [-\]: Who's recording this one
XY0908 [-\]: USGO10
Vash3G [-\]: Troy Wahl
Richdad [5d\]: bad aji ato7
GeorgeW [-\]: Ah just curious
]
;W[hm]C[GeorgeW [-\]: What games has Calvin recorded so far
Vash3G [-\]: theres information in the game info
XY0908 [-\]: You are curious George?
GeorgeW [-\]: hahaha
Vash3G [-\]: Calvin recorded the Redmond Sr Division last night
TheCaptain [4d\]: b blew it
]
;B[mm]C[Richdad [5d\]: certainly
GeorgeW [-\]: w missed o7?
moetero [1d?\]: seems so
Nacci [6d\]: he was aiming for o7
]
;W[jl]C[larrymarx [6k\]: can you access these games on the kgs archives once they're over?
Vash3G [-\]: yes
Violence [?\]: yes
]
;B[km]C[GeorgeW [-\]: ha ha
larrymarx [6k\]: what do I type in?
]
;W[gl]C[GeorgeW [-\]: *ah ah
]
;B[fm]C[Violence [?\]: USGO#
larrymarx [6k\]: thanks
Vash3G [-\]: you can also find game results and 2008 US Go Congress game records at http://usgo.org/congress/2008/
USGO10 [-\]: b is down to 3 peroids of byo-yomi
]
;W[bf]C[gorka [2d\]: USGO what time is it at your place ?
NoKnott [-\]: go to the "personal info" of the scribe, and look under the "games" tab, is one way
Violence [?\]: oh yeah, the nifty interactive Crosstab
]
;B[rq]
;W[rp]C[USGO15 [-\]: 5pm
]
;B[sp]C[gorka [2d\]: ok thanks ^^
Rakeliem [1k\]: why doesnt white play at o16?
Fokatukc [7k\]: gote
]
;W[qq]C[Uberdude [2d\]: it will be soon
gblitz [1d\]: hm
Rakeliem [1k\]: so?
gareth [3k\]: getting big enough that o16 looks better and better.
]
;B[rr]C[Rakeliem [1k\]: it's large
googlebear [2k\]: w leads this game by 2 or 3?
Azlaz [3k\]: o16 o15 p16 p15 q15 n15 q14 
]
;W[bh]
;B[bi]
;W[ag]C[googlebear [2k\]: i think B12 says w leads
porkdog [7k\]: p2 work for b?
Zyphe [10k\]: i am playing out o16 in my head and it gives black sente...i think
gorka [2d\]: azlaz q14 and n15 :D
]
;B[pf]C[slinky [-\]: what are the times?
ikami [1d\]: is  p2 ko ?
Rakeliem [1k\]: great now it's impossible
]
;W[pe]C[Rakeliem [1k\]: o15
ikami [1d\]: p2 p3 o1 n2 q1 q2 r1 p1 ?
USGO10 [-\]: b is down to 2 peroids of byo-yomi
gareth [3k\]: o15 sente for b now
Gandohar [2k\]: p2 p3 o1 n2 q2 r2 r1 q1 p1 n1 
Rakeliem [1k\]: yes
Rakeliem [1k\]: go for it b
]
;B[nd]C[Rakeliem [1k\]: aww
porkdog [7k\]: yeah, doesn't work
Violence [?\]: ikami, no ko
Rakeliem [1k\]: I guess that's a bettrer move
slinky [-\]: what about white usgo?
Zyphe [10k\]: wouldnt o15 been better then o16 for black? adds 1 point right?
Richdad [5d\]: j15 painful
]
;W[oe]
;B[pc]C[Zyphe [10k\]: ahh nvm i c
ajistorm [2d\]: p2 does not work, must r2
ikami [1d\]: gandohar i saind B q1 not q2 
]
;W[qc]C[ikami [1d\]: why this donest worck ?
gblitz [1d\]: r2?
ajistorm [2d\]: b r2 now
]
;B[rm]C[uuffy: it is ko
ikami [1d\]: yes it is
Richdad [5d\]: give sequence
Lynx [2d\]: s1 local w tesuji
]
;W[qr]C[ikami [1d\]: p2 p3 o1 n2 q1 q2 r1 p1 
]
;B[rs]C[Lynx [2d\]: >_> <_<
ikami [1d\]: it was
]
;W[ie]
;B[je]C[Richdad [5d\]: w doesnt q2
Richdad [5d\]: he plays r1
ikami [1d\]: r1 r2 q2 s1 
]
;W[bc]C[ikami [1d\]: it is ko again
gblitz [1d\]: p2 no
gblitz [1d\]: ?
ikami [1d\]: ah wait
Richdad [5d\]: you are right!
moetero [1d?\]: l11 area looks interesting
]
;B[ab]C[Richdad [5d\]: no m you are not right lol
Reborned [1k\]: w own this game XD 
Richdad [5d\]: im too sick to read well
]
;W[el]C[USGO10 [-\]: b is on his last peroid of byo-yomi
]
;B[dm]C[ajistorm [2d\]: i don't see your ko
ikami [1d\]: yea i am not right ;(
Reborned [1k\]: if b didn;t mess up his lower at the bottom he miht have won
]
;W[ga]
;B[fa]
;W[ha]
;B[fb]C[Srdjan [?\]: white with clear win
TheCaptain [4d\]: yeah.. b should have l4 instead of m3
Richdad [5d\]: but not
Richdad [5d\]: its ko
]
;W[ai]C[Richdad [5d\]: p2 p3 o1 n2 q1 r1 r5 
]
;B[aj]C[Azlaz [3k\]: not really a ko
Richdad [5d\]: no, its not lol
Richdad [5d\]: i just cant read
Azlaz [3k\]: w will just play N1
USGO10 [-\]: Hugh is counting and has 10 minutes
slinky [-\]: cool!
slinky [-\]: :D tell him i said hi!
Reborned [1k\]: lol
Reborned [1k\]: XD
]
;W[ah]C[ajistorm [2d\]: r5 really lol richdad
Chrille [4k?\]: does he point with his finger
]
;B[bk]C[gareth [3k\]: b9 doesn't look necessary yet.  doesn't b have sente yose?
]
;W[ki]C[Reborned [1k\]: game over
Reborned [1k\]: XD
Reborned [1k\]: resign her
]
;B[lj]C[porkdog [7k\]: b under time pressure
Reborned [1k\]: here
]
;W[jg]
;B[kh]
;W[jf]
;B[hg]
;W[gi]
;B[kf]
;W[fh]
;B[kg]C[uuffy: no pressure
uuffy: he already lost
]
;W[em]
;B[en]
;W[gn]
;B[fn]C[Zyphe [10k\]: was b9 needed? i am trying to read it out but i dont see a snap back or anything...the cut at c9 doesnt look possible
NoKnott [-\]: Is this game being played under Ing rules?
Reborned [1k\]: o6
ajistorm [2d\]: i think he lost with his m3 move
]
;W[jm]C[uuffy: w would b9
vg674 [15k\]: by the looks of it, new zealand rules
xedover [7k?\]: yes NoKnot
]
;B[nn]
;W[lp]C[porkdog [7k\]: i think b9 necessary
Zyphe [10k\]: ahh ic
]
;B[fl]
;W[fk]C[Reborned [1k\]: hey dose any one have any idea if jie lee is playign in congress this year
porkdog [7k\]: b9 b10 c9 c8 a9 d11 captures
porkdog [7k\]: or b loses a10 stone
ajistorm [2d\]: r1
]
;B[in]
;W[jn]
;B[hl]C[gareth [3k\]: nice
]
;W[hn]
;B[gk]
;W[qm]C[Reborned [1k\]: woo wait b might cathc up liek this
]
;B[om]C[Srdjan [?\]: hmm hard... 
uuffy: if it happens 5 more times...
Reborned [1k\]: nvm still behind
]
;W[ri]
;B[rl]C[gareth [3k\]: still awfully close,  i think
]
;W[qk]C[Azlaz [3k\]: w ahead by over 10
NoKnott [-\]: I see the KGS game info says NZ rules, but I wondered about the real game
ajistorm [2d\]: r1
Srdjan [?\]: any high dan counting?
James83 [-\]: Its ING rules
USGO10 [-\]: real game is Ing
NoKnott [-\]: ok, thanks
]
;B[jo]C[vg674 [15k\]: thanks
]
;W[io]
;B[qs]
;W[ps]
;B[oq]
;W[or]
;B[pp]C[ajistorm [2d\]: b can win with excellent yose maybe ^^
Reborned [1k\]: naaa
Gandohar [2k\]: no, white can lose with bad yose^^
jst4fun [5k\]: too far behind
Srdjan [?\]: it has to be a miracle yose  xD
]
;W[hk]C[Reborned [1k\]: if whtie playes a bad yose really bad one and b playes an exceent one there is a chance of b wining
]
;B[gl]
;W[il]
;B[ac]
;W[ad]C[Reborned [1k\]: not gona happen white is 6d
Reborned [1k\]: XD
]
;B[gd]C[yoyoma [1d\]: So you're saying there's a chance?
]
;W[ge]C[Reborned [1k\]: anythign is posibel
]
;B[qo]
;W[pr]C[Reborned [1k\]: ofcourse there is a chance
Reborned [1k\]: white coudl resign 
yoyoma [1d\]: She said there's a chance!
Srdjan [?\]: there's a chance of wining if white gets a heart atk...
Reborned [1k\]: if he wants
gogadget [11k\]: g4
ajistorm [2d\]: g4
Lever [12k\]: r5?
Lithophage [2d\]: B will win
]
;B[gp]
;W[hp]
;B[di]
;W[ei]C[Azlaz [3k\]: getting closer... maybe w+3 now
]
;B[ed]C[Reborned [1k\]: naa i think more
]
;W[ee]C[Reborned [1k\]: maybe less
ajistorm [2d\]: h1
]
;B[gr]C[Reborned [1k\]: i dono SE says b plus 1
Richdad [5d\]: it is still surprising though, that the game is so close after b messing up so bad in bottom, and making mear points in sente
Richdad [5d\]: it seems w was really behind after corner ko
]
;W[ne]C[Reborned [1k\]: b is pretty good
GoatCheese [3k\]: p13
gareth [3k\]: h1 looked bigger than g2
]
;B[oh]C[Azlaz [3k\]: w has messed up in jose i think
]
;W[me]C[Srdjan [?\]: komi 5.5?
]
;B[le]
;W[sl]C[porkdog [7k\]: komi only 0.5
gareth [3k\]: komi 7.5
porkdog [7k\]: according to info
]
;B[sm]
;W[sk]C[Lithophage [2d\]: g2 one point more than h1
Reborned [1k\]: f4
USGO10 [-\]: komi is 8
fly [1k\]: close game!
Reborned [1k\]: XD
]
;B[hh]C[porkdog [7k\]: even game?
]
;W[hi]C[ajistorm [2d\]: b wins by 0.5
Reborned [1k\]: komi is 8 lol
Azlaz [3k\]: b might actually win now
]
;B[hs]C[uuffy: mc gg sauce
googlebear [2k\]: komi is 8?
Reborned [1k\]: yea\\
USGO10 [-\]: yes
googlebear [2k\]: b doesnt have a chance
gareth [3k\]: 8 but b wins tie
Hoole3 [9k\]: white can still reduce b
James83 [-\]: yes, komi should be 8
James83 [-\]: ties go to w
]
;W[is]C[Lithophage [2d\]: why 8 komi?
googlebear [2k\]: some just area
googlebear [2k\]: are
GoatCheese [3k\]: that doesnt make sense
fly [1k\]: aga rules is 8
TheCaptain [4d\]: h15
Sakae [-\]: 8 = 7.5
XY0908 [-\]: so it's same as 7.5?
]
;B[hd]C[googlebear [2k\]: nope   some koreans feel 8 is about right also
AznKid93 [1d\]: Uh, isnt it tie foes to black?
]
;W[gs]
;B[fp]C[fly [1k\]: yah, 7.5
ajistorm [2d\]: so 8.5 komi, incredible...
AznKid93 [1d\]: goes*
]
;W[hq]
;B[hs]C[XY0908 [-\]: or 7.00000001.
Negi1 [3d?\]: if b wins the ko it's jigo
Azlaz [3k\]: ko for game
GoatCheese [3k\]: thats speculation googleber
Reborned [1k\]: h16 wasn;t needed was it now
Reborned [1k\]: ?
]
;W[po]C[GoatCheese [3k\]: what koreans feel that way
]
;B[oo]
;W[gs]C[Sakae [-\]: just that koreans plays with JAPANESE rules and NOT CHINESE
fly [1k\]: nothing like a close game!
]
;B[ae]
;W[bd]
;B[hs]C[googlebear [2k\]: no  cz  some korean tournaments are 8 komi tourny
Reborned [1k\]: why did b play h16
Reborned [1k\]: ?
]
;W[mg]C[Srdjan [?\]: really close one :S
Rucker [1k\]: b wins ko he wins the game right?
fly [1k\]: b wasted a ko threat? could have b16 first?
]
;B[lf]
;W[gs]
;B[af]
;W[be]
;B[hs]C[Sakae [-\]: omfg
Sakae [-\]: what a misstake
Srdjan [?\]: :S
Reborned [1k\]: wait wait why dd b play h16
]
;W[jg]
;B[jf]C[Hoole3 [9k\]: how was that a mistake?
]
;W[gs]C[jst4fun [5k\]: if b win the ko, still w win 0.5
]
;B[af]
;W[ae]
;B[hs]C[USGO10 [-\]: tie goes to b
]
;W[ml]C[uuffy: w must w ko
Reborned [1k\]: there shoudln;t be a kp down there
Rucker [1k\]: WOOT WOOT
]
;B[nl]C[Sakae [-\]: b15 greatest misstake of the year :D
Gandohar [2k\]: win the half point ko even if you lose the game^^
]
;W[gs]C[Rucker [1k\]: b will win
dundundun [3d\]: B+1
]
;B[qe]
;W[qd]C[Sakae [-\]: it's chinese rules
goomikko [1k\]: b15 wasn't mistake
]
;B[hs]C[mike2096 [5k\]: aga
Sakae [-\]: the SE won't help you
Hoole3 [9k\]: who is ahead now?
Sakae [-\]: B15 was
]
;W[sq]C[Lithophage [2d\]: i already said that rucker, but  Ithought 6.5 komi
Azlaz [3k\]: f16 bigger than ko ?
James83 [-\]: its ing rules
]
;B[sr]
;W[gs]C[Sakae [-\]: b13 1 less threat
]
;B[rg]C[fly [1k\]: aga rules
Azlaz [3k\]: oh no
]
;W[rf]
;B[hs]C[Srdjan [?\]: black by very little
]
;W[ak]
;B[al]
;W[gs]C[Rucker [1k\]: b1 a threat no?
]
;B[re]C[Hoole3 [9k\]: w has more ko threats than black
]
;W[sg]
;B[hs]
;W[ck]
;B[cl]C[Lithophage [2d\]: how old are the players?
]
;W[gs]
;B[sf]C[Sakae [-\]: 83 and 10
]
;W[se]C[nachodude [3k\]: 11 each
Rucker [1k\]: 11
]
;B[hs]C[mike2096 [5k\]: 11?
nachodude [3k\]: yes
mike2096 [5k\]: o.o
Srdjan [?\]: 11 years old? :S
Hoole3 [9k\]: wow
fly [1k\]: This is the junior division
Reborned [1k\]: t6
mike2096 [5k\]: wow
]
;W[id]C[Azlaz [3k\]: t6 t5 
Srdjan [?\]: :S
Reborned [1k\]: g1
Zyphe [10k\]: seriously is this even needed?
]
;B[gs]
;W[ic]C[porkdog [7k\]: ignore
]
;B[fd]C[gareth [3k\]: not a threat
Lithophage [2d\]: i was older than rhey are together before I even heard of the game
]
;W[dd]C[Reborned [1k\]: pass
Reborned [1k\]: ?
fly [1k\]: that's why you'll never be 7d
]
;B[od]C[odnihs [5k\]: b win?
nachodude [3k\]: g5 
Rucker [1k\]: ........
]
;W[go]C[fly [1k\]: no pass, passes cost a stone!
GoatCheese [3k\]: they might be playing w plays last has to pass stone
]
;B[]C[Crumb [8k\]: What rule set?
]
;W[]C[yoyoma [1d\]: b+1
fly [1k\]: aga rules
porkdog [7k\]: AGA rules require you to pass stones
GoatCheese [3k\]: only for w
USGO10 [-\]: Ing rules. The game is over
Hoole3 [9k\]: what does pass stones mean?
mike2096 [5k\]: pass stones?
Reborned [1k\]: who won and by how much 
GoatCheese [3k\]: and it is one stone
xedover [7k?\]: this is not AGA rules
xedover [7k?\]: its Ing rules
nachodude [3k\]: give your opponent a stone for a pass
Rucker [1k\]: b woms
TheCaptain [4d\]: sounds painful\\
Slain [1k\]: U have to give your opponent a stone
Rucker [1k\]: *wins
GoatCheese [3k\]: w has to play last or give a stone
Sakae [-\]: ING rules
rosepark22 [3k\]: pass me a salt
iaznab [1d\]: lol captain
USGO10 [-\]: Both players think they lost.
odnihs [5k\]: lol
redball [3k\]: sometimes one stone, sometimes more
Reborned [1k\]: lol
Sakae [-\]: lol
Rucker [1k\]: xD
fly [1k\]: hee hee
mike2096 [5k\]: lo
Hoole3 [9k\]: lol
Sakae [-\]: that's the spirit!
Crumb [8k\]: B +1?
pebarefoot [10k\]: pass stones=painful medical condition
Srdjan [?\]: its really close
nachodude [3k\]: B win?
uuffy: B+1
Rucker [1k\]: andrew is going to win =)
gareth [3k\]: i think B wins
GoatCheese [3k\]: se says b + 3
Hoole3 [9k\]: w+1
nachodude [3k\]: :D go andrew!!!
porkdog [7k\]: a go stone through the urethra = really painful
hanen [13k\]: is b1 bad?
yoyoma [1d\]: Are the players using Ing fill-in counting?
Sakae [-\]: yes bad threat
Reborned [1k\]: b1 is usless
yoyoma [1d\]: Like physically using that method?
Reborned [1k\]: black will jsut connect e2
USGO10 [-\]: Gijo on the board... b wins 0.5
Sakae [-\]: black will let white take c1 
odnihs [5k\]: YAY
Rucker [1k\]: WOOT WOOT
porkdog [7k\]: !!!
Zyphe [10k\]: wow
Sakae [-\]: and just remove the eyes
Richdad [5d\]: lol
nachodude [3k\]: Go Andred :DDD!
xedover [7k?\]: yes, Ing fill-in counting
redball [3k\]: wow
nachodude [3k\]: *Andrew
Richdad [5d\]: amazing
Hoole3 [9k\]: who won?
odnihs [5k\]: Andrwe ftw!
mike2096 [5k\]:  black
mike2096 [5k\]: 0.5
Srdjan [?\]: good game :)
nachodude [3k\]: Andrew- Black
odnihs [5k\]: Andrew*
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