(;GM[1]FF[4]SZ[19]AP[SmartGo:2.8.3.0]CA[UTF-8]
GN[cloudnotes-fossilman]
PW[Andy Liu]WR[1P]
PB[Yue Zhang]
EV[YKNOT3]RO[5]
DT[2013-06-08]
PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]
KM[7.5]
RE[W+Resign]
RU[AGA]ST[2]
TM[2700.0]OT[10x30 byo-yomi];B[qd]BL[2687.5];W[dc]WL[2692.2]
C[fossilman [?\]: have a good game
cloudnotes [9d\]: you too
];B[dq]BL[2656.8]
;W[co]WL[2687.1];B[de]BL[2652.4]
C[Muttley [3k\]: Who is black?
];W[cg]WL[2673.1];B[be]BL[2642.1];W[gc]WL[2665.7]
C[Voegelein [-\]: Yue Zhang
];B[fd]BL[2581.0];W[fc]WL[2659.8]
C[Rukis [2k\]: go ~ ! Zhiyuan
Muttley [3k\]: Thanks, I just had a look at the website
Muttley [3k\]: remarkably strong tournament
Voegelein [-\]: good for us ^^ (w: 9.23022 / b: 7.92597)
]
;B[dl]BL[2457.7];W[fo]WL[2635.2];B[gq]BL[2421.5];W[cj]WL[2632.9];B[cm]BL[2386.6]
;W[dp]WL[2619.7];B[cq]BL[2381.6];W[eq]WL[2618.2];B[er]BL[2379.3];W[fr]WL[2617.4]
;B[fq]BL[2377.5];W[ep]WL[2616.1];B[dr]BL[2374.9]
C[Seiki [3k\]: which dan is b?
];W[hq]WL[2606.5]
C[Lsugyen [5d\]: 7
rfc [1k?\]: is this still known joseki?
];B[gr]BL[2366.3]
;W[ho]WL[2559.5];B[gl]BL[2338.2];W[eg]WL[2547.0]
C[rsun [4d\]: what tournament is this?
Rukis [2k\]: ywknot i think
Rukis [2k\]: YKNOT3
]
;B[gn]BL[2229.9];W[go]WL[2542.2];B[jn]BL[2129.8];W[hm]WL[2512.1]
C[KurataSan [3d\]: though both are not playing pro stuff and fuseki
KurataSan [3d\]: it's really cool
Rukis [2k\]: define pro stuff
KurataSan [3d\]: pro fuseki
KurataSan [3d\]: o-o
Muttley [3k\]: I think the fuseki is pretty high level :)
Rukis [2k\]: pro fuseki requires high level expierence i think both of them have that
KurataSan [3d\]: for instance, a pro wouldn't leave a weak group like b did
sume [8d?\]: fuseki looks nonexistent to me :o
sume [8d?\]: its just fighting
sume [8d?\]: straight to midgame
]
;B[hn]BL[1984.9];W[gm]WL[2506.2]
C[Muttley [3k\]: Kuratasan, seriously?
Muttley [3k\]: Have you looked at some of the Korean games :)
Konservas [3k\]: :) 
KurataSan [3d\]: I'm watching enough pro games, worry not :)
Muttley [3k\]: :)
Rukis [2k\]: lol sume has a point
Muttley [3k\]: yeah, that's a valid view also :)
Konservas [3k\]: rukis that was obvious..
]
;B[fn]BL[1877.7];W[in]WL[2502.8]
C[Muttley [3k\]: we're using "fuseki" very loosely here (well, I am), to mean "the opening exchanges in the fight for initiative and strategic booble"
Muttley [3k\]: I ran out of words.
Konservas [3k\]: happens:)
Araki [1k\]: 6/10 muttley
rfc [1k?\]: booble is nice, where did you get that from, Muttley?
Muttley [3k\]: that good :)
Muttley [3k\]: no idea :)
Muttley [3k\]: seriously, though, D15 stones are rather left adrift
KurataSan [3d\]: there's some kind of a miai there
]
;B[io]BL[1785.5]
C[KurataSan [3d\]: if w defends the corner, b runs
Muttley [3k\]: interesting point
KurataSan [3d\]: if w attacks, b takes the corner
]
;W[im]WL[2485.2]
C[Muttley [3k\]: you mean b has C18 or so?
rfc [1k?\]: yes
];B[fm]BL[1771.9]
C[KurataSan [3d\]: or c17
];W[ip]WL[2482.3]
C[Muttley [3k\]: thanks :)
KurataSan [3d\]: i didn't read too deep there
]
;B[jo]BL[1765.5];W[kq]WL[2481.0]
C[Muttley [3k\]: I didn't read at all :)
KurataSan [3d\]: heh
rsun [4d\]: when is w going to korea?
Muttley [3k\]: well, that's one heavy white group
KurataSan [3d\]: f6 in danger
Muttley [3k\]: E10
]
;B[jl]BL[1688.5]
C[rfc [1k?\]: that w group between two weak b groups
];W[fl]WL[2477.9];B[fk]
BL[1671.1]
C[KurataSan [3d\]: h9 
];W[hk]WL[2473.5]
C[Muttley [3k\]: hum, b aji corrected this way?
KurataSan [3d\]: k7 
rsun [4d\]: f14 urgent too
Muttley [3k\]: K7 somewhat gote
Muttley [3k\]: how about M6?
KurataSan [3d\]: it's not gote
Muttley [3k\]: well, after white responds, b has to capture?
Rukis [2k\]: k7 is a good way to kill or die :D
KurataSan [3d\]: after w responds (where w responds?)
Muttley [3k\]: hmm, I just thought H8 - white sente
KurataSan [3d\]: then b g9
KurataSan [3d\]: then w has to respond
Muttley [3k\]: yeah, I get that :)
Rukis [2k\]: k7 is a good move though for b i think
Muttley [3k\]: just a shame to make white thick with J9
Rukis [2k\]: maybe g11 first
KurataSan [3d\]: though b might g9
grmaster [2k\]: how strong is B?
rfc [1k?\]: B=7d
grmaster [2k\]: kgs 7d?
KurataSan [3d\]: 7d according to lsugyen
Muttley [3k\]: AGA
grmaster [2k\]: ah
]
;B[fh]BL[1402.7]
C[grmaster [2k\]: I see
];W[fg]WL[2460.0]
C[KurataSan [3d\]: ho
Rukis [2k\]: you know he has7.92597 rating
Rukis [2k\]: so i think you could say hes 7D+ 
Muttley [3k\]: hum hum, b wants to capture instead
Muttley [3k\]: or build by attacking
KurataSan [3d\]: i don't like f12
koank: f12 should be at n3
KurataSan [3d\]: nah
rfc [1k?\]: f12 makes w strong
koank: n3 m4 n4 m5 r4
Muttley [3k\]: do you really think w would allow that?
Muttley [3k\]: or are you saying "w in too much danger to resist"?
pensivedog [?\]: someone's gonna get 3000 smackers out of this
koank: im thinking that sequence and saying the coordinates
Muttley [3k\]: hehehe :)
Muttley [3k\]: ok
koank: :D
Muttley [3k\]: it's a nice idea, thanks
halfx: h11 
Muttley [3k\]: my guess is b will settle the 3 stones now
Muttley [3k\]: though he would probably like either to G13 or G12 nefore
Muttley [3k\]: before
Muttley [3k\]: but I don't believe w will respond necessarily
pensivedog [?\]: it says in the rules that players will use webcam and skype to communicate
pensivedog [?\]: under game conditions
pensivedog [?\]: seems odd
Muttley [3k\]: guess where money is involved they want to make sure there isn't cheating
Muttley [3k\]: like, someone else playing the account
Rukis [2k\]: not really ^
Rukis [2k\]: not your comment muttley xD
Rukis [2k\]: pensives comment
Muttley [3k\]: ahh, yes understood
Muttley [3k\]: K7 really is a sore thumb
]
;B[lq]BL[961.2];W[kp]WL[2436.5]
C[Rukis [2k\]: lol
Javaness [2d\]: black is broken now
Toge [1d\]: What to make of this position? Which stones are important? Where the territories are going to form?
Javaness [2d\]: D15 being quite dead is important
youngkwon [-\]: A difficult game for b
]
;B[mp]BL[576.8];W[hr]WL[2425.1]
C[youngkwon [-\]: H2 was not expected
];B[ln]BL[516.9]
C[youngkwon [-\]: b solved one of the problem
];W[bp]WL[2372.0];B[bq]BL[501.5]
;W[bn]WL[2291.3];B[di]BL[344.2];W[cd]WL[2236.6];B[ij]BL[286.8];W[qp]WL[2231.1]
C[grmaster [2k\]: Boffers exchange
Rukis [2k\]: white + resign i think
Timk [1d\]: actually, Black is ahead now..
]
;B[qn]BL[112.2];W[op]WL[2207.6]
C[Timk [1d\]: but he is scarce of time
koank: black is not ahead lol
Voegelein [-\]: looks pretty close to me. 
koank: but not quite behind, komi is pretty big
]
;B[lo]BL[30.0]OB[10]
C[koank: so white should be a bit better
Voegelein [-\]: b center has some points but the top left is big too
]
;W[od]WL[2184.1];B[oe]BL[30.0]OB[10];W[ne]WL[2180.2];B[of]BL[30.0]OB[10]
;W[pd]WL[2176.8];B[qe]BL[30.0]OB[10];W[ld]WL[2175.1]
C[fbp [7d\]: http://europeangodatabase.eu/EGD/Tournament_Card.php?&key=W120513A&pin=13450712
fbp [7d\]: this is yuan zhou?
pensivedog [?\]: this gonna be one of those time jams
]
;B[bm]BL[30.0]OB[8]
C[fbp [7d\]: if thats him andy should definetly win
pensivedog [?\]: no yuan zhou here
pensivedog [?\]: these are the players:
pensivedog [?\]: https://docs.google.com/a/usgo.org/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkXJn_mji-SjdHltZllxZTFnVVR0czgtcmhsSzBpdGc&hl=en_US#gid=0
]
;W[nr]WL[2081.8]
C[AGATD [-\]: This is Andy Liu vs Yue Zhang
fbp [7d\]: ah sorry
fbp [7d\]: yue zhang
fbp [7d\]: wonder where i got yuan zhou from:)
]
;B[lr]BL[30.0]OB[8];W[en]WL[2078.5]
C[fbp [7d\]: too many chinese names in america, difficult:)
pensivedog [?\]: you should see what it's like in china
]
;B[el]BL[30.0]OB[8]
C[fbp [7d\]: true
fbp [7d\]: lets name them all smith
];W[dn]WL[1993.4]
C[fbp [7d\]: so, how old is B?
];B[df]BL[30.0]OB[8];W[dg]WL[1987.4];B[dd]
BL[30.0]OB[8];W[cc]WL[1985.0];B[gd]BL[30.0]OB[6]
C[pensivedog [?\]: B trying to steal W's cookies
Muttley [3k\]: give b C11, and he might
]
;W[gh]WL[1930.2]
C[Muttley [3k\]: "go ahead, make eyes"
];B[jr]BL[30.0]OB[6];W[kr]WL[1925.9]
C[pensivedog [?\]: "get your hand out of my cookie jar"
Muttley [3k\]: hehehe :)
]
;B[ks]BL[30.0]OB[6]
C[Muttley [3k\]: guess w needs A5?
pensivedog [?\]: bingo
];W[aq]WL[1865.4]
C[pensivedog [?\]: what in the?
];B[ar]BL[30.0]OB[6];W[ap]WL[1862.3]
C[Muttley [3k\]: not convinced w is living in sente
fbp [7d\]: w does not attempt to live in ente
Repacse [4k?\]: black is not gonna sacrifice his corner
fbp [7d\]: sente*
fbp [7d\]: b can kill in ko but he risk his corner
fbp [7d\]: he will back off i guess
fbp [7d\]: difficult to stake the game on a byoyomi decision
Muttley [3k\]: where are the ko threats to make it worth it?
rsun [4d\]: I like how w has 30 min left
]
;B[bs]BL[30.0]OB[4];W[an]WL[1859.5]
C[fbp [7d\]: white scores locally
Repacse [4k?\]: so white gains 2 points here
]
;B[id]BL[30.0]OB[4]
C[fbp [7d\]: a lot more then 2 points
];W[hd]WL[1851.8]
C[Repacse [4k?\]: ah right
fbp [7d\]: it's not about points
fbp [7d\]: if white had played a3 at a5
fbp [7d\]: then after black c6
]
;B[he]BL[30.0]OB[4];W[hc]WL[1850.4]
C[fbp [7d\]: both black a7 and a8 would be sente
fbp [7d\]: now for exampel.. w b9 threathens connection
fbp [7d\]: this kind of things can matter so much in fights
fbp [7d\]: details like this shows whites strength
]
;B[gf]BL[30.0]OB[4];W[fi]WL[1843.2]
C[rsun [4d\]: w is pro, better show his strength
];B[jf]BL[30.0]OB[3]
C[pensivedog [?\]: J9
];W[ik]WL[1775.4]
C[pensivedog [?\]: ha! :)
Repacse [4k?\]: good call
];B[ci]BL[30.0]OB[3]
;W[gj]WL[1739.9];B[bi]BL[30.0]OB[3]
C[rsun [4d\]: b needs to play p6 and q10 to win
];W[jk]WL[1701.3]
C[pensivedog [?\]: the time situation is really gonna work against B soon
Repacse [4k?\]: white has a tiny dragon now
]
;B[on]BL[30.0]OB[3]
C[rsun [4d\]: b is pensiveman
];W[qc]WL[1670.7]
C[pensivedog [?\]: I would never be so calm with the J9 group as is
];B[rc]
BL[30.0]OB[3];W[rb]WL[1667.6]
C[Muttley [3k\]: no way that is dying
];B[qb]BL[30.0]OB[3]
C[Muttley [3k\]: just get sente to reduce the right before living :)
rsun [4d\]: or w would be crying
]
;W[pc]WL[1665.0]
C[pensivedog [?\]: not even one eye yet
Muttley [3k\]: its not just the rhyming
]
;B[sb]BL[30.0]OB[3]
C[Muttley [3k\]: it's the excellent timing
];W[nf]WL[1634.1]
C[Muttley [3k\]: maybe it lives by killing K14
];B[og]BL[30.0]OB[2]
C[rsun [4d\]: b extends, w apprehends
];W[ic]WL[1585.1];B[jd]BL[30.0]OB[2]
;W[kb]WL[1559.7];B[nj]BL[30.0]OB[2];W[ff]WL[1556.2]
C[pensivedog [?\]: and it begins
];B[fe]BL[30.0]OB[2];W[rn]WL[1548.2]
C[Repacse [4k?\]: still unsettled in the center
];B[ro]BL[30.0]OB[2];W[qo]
WL[1547.2]
C[sume [8d?\]: B has a lot of money
];B[rp]BL[30.0]OB[2];W[pn]WL[1546.4]
;B[qm]BL[30.0]OB[2];W[pm]WL[1545.5];B[qq]BL[30.0]OB[2];W[oo]WL[1544.3];B[pl]
BL[30.0]OB[2];W[om]WL[1541.3];B[ol]BL[30.0]OB[2];W[nl]WL[1523.0]
C[rsun [4d\]: before w attempts the kill, b should write his will
];B[pq]
BL[30.0]OB[2];W[ql]WL[1518.1]
C[Meepy [-\]: oops
];B[rm]BL[30.0]OB[2]
C[pensivedog [?\]: yeah
];W[rl]WL[1511.9]
C[Repacse [4k?\]: ladder
pensivedog [?\]: that's a catch
sume [8d?\]: LOL gg
Repacse [4k?\]: but black gets the corner
]
;B[sn]BL[30.0]OB[2]
C[sume [8d?\]: thats game
];W[oq]WL[1504.7]
C[sume [8d?\]: wait wut
rsun [4d\]: miai
pensivedog [?\]: W trippin
];B[nk]
BL[30.0]OB[2]
C[sume [8d?\]: W trying to kil B
rjm [2d\]: white killling m3
];W[ml]WL[1500.0]
C[rsun [4d\]: kill bottom or 2 stones miai
sume [8d?\]: B overplay hjere
]
;B[ll]BL[30.0]OB[2];W[mk]WL[1489.3]
C[pensivedog [?\]: he gonna take it all
yaya [2d?\]: White does not fear the right side , because he can push at Q15
]
;B[nm]BL[30.0]OB[1];W[nn]WL[1488.2]
C[rsun [4d\]: uncle sam is coming to town
];B[mm]BL[30.0]OB[1];W[lk]WL[1486.1]
C[Repacse [4k?\]: something dies
];B[no]BL[30.0]OB[1];W[pr]WL[1475.4];B[kk]
BL[30.0]OB[1]
C[pensivedog [?\]: time jam!
];W[kj]WL[1472.2]
C[rsun [4d\]: something dies - not the one with eyes
];B[kl]BL[30.0]OB[1]
;W[lj]WL[1467.3]
C[sume [8d?\]: ITS GOING DOWN
pensivedog [?\]: andy gonna get 3000 smackers
Muttley [3k\]: Earth to Sume, you are closer than you think
]
;B[qr]BL[30.0]OB[1]
C[sume [8d?\]: lol
Muttley [3k\]: :))
];W[ig]WL[1428.4];B[if]BL[30.0]OB[1]
;W[hg]WL[1423.8];B[mn]BL[30.0]OB[1]
C[rsun [4d\]: it's dinner time for andy, no wonder
];W[pe]WL[1418.9]
C[rsun [4d\]: I have a feeling that he's trying to win on time 
];B[qf]BL[30.0]
OB[1];W[pf]WL[1417.2];B[pg]BL[30.0]OB[1];W[qg]WL[1414.0]
C[rsun [4d\]: w can capture p8 stones gasp
];B[qh]BL[30.0]OB[1];W[rg]WL[1411.6]
;B[re]BL[30.0]OB[1];W[qi]WL[1399.5]
C[pensivedog [?\]: w such a menace
yaya [2d?\]: seems to become Ko Q2, R2, Q4, Q1
]
;B[pj]BL[30.0]OB[1];W[pi]WL[1377.9];B[qj]BL[30.0]OB[1]
C[pensivedog [?\]: I don't think w really knows what he is doing
];W[rr]
WL[1375.6]
C[rsun [4d\]: w is trying to win on time
pensivedog [?\]: yeah
];B[rq]BL[30.0]
OB[1]
C[rsun [4d\]: maximize chaos
pensivedog [?\]: totally messing around
renardo [3k\]: waiting for time out
]
;W[rj]WL[1368.5]
C[rsun [4d\]: maybe there is myoshu who knows
];B[on]BL[30.0]OB[1]
C[bajie [?\]: b in trouble, it seems to me
T4L0N [1k\]: W is also in trouble
]
;W[ng]WL[1333.9];B[po]BL[30.0]OB[1];W[bh]WL[1330.9]
C[Repacse [4k?\]: b 1 eye
];B[le]BL[30.0]OB[1];W[oh]WL[1321.6]
C[rsun [4d\]: time to check se
];B[lg]BL[30.0]OB[1];W[mi]WL[1302.3];B[kd]
BL[30.0]OB[1]
C[pensivedog [?\]: now it is pretty much over I guess
];W[pb]WL[1298.4]
C[sume [8d?\]: this is amazing lol
];B[cn]BL[30.0]OB[1];W[cp]WL[1295.6]
C[rsun [4d\]: ??
Repacse [4k?\]: thinking move
];B[ra]BL[30.0]OB[1];W[ei]
WL[1280.3];B[ai]BL[30.0]OB[1]
C[pensivedog [?\]: that's gonna die too?
];W[dj]WL[1256.8]
C[pensivedog [?\]: ha ha
pensivedog [?\]: moral of the story: don't mess with andy
]
;B[ej]BL[30.0]OB[1];W[fj]WL[1254.3];B[ek]BL[30.0]OB[1];W[bj]WL[1211.3];B[aj]
BL[30.0]OB[1];W[ni]WL[1181.3]
C[yaya [2d?\]: White can resign
];B[lc]BL[30.0]OB[1];W[md]WL[1179.8]
C[bajie [?\]: ?
bajie [?\]: w is really a dare-devil
];B[jb]BL[30.0]OB[1]
;W[jc]WL[1175.2];B[kc]BL[30.0]OB[1];W[ib]WL[1173.7];B[lb]BL[30.0]OB[1]
C[Lsugyen [5d\]: b X_X
];W[ja]WL[1166.6];B[ed]BL[30.0]OB[1];W[bk]WL[1163.7]
C[pensivedog [?\]: seriously
rsun [4d\]: yes
];B[ak]BL[30.0]OB[1]
C[pensivedog [?\]: W crazy
];W[ef]WL[1159.7]
C[pensivedog [?\]: totally messin with B
pensivedog [?\]: like a psychotic bully
]
;B[nb]BL[30.0]OB[1]
C[Repacse [4k?\]: still going for the kill
];W[pa]WL[1154.1]
C[rsun [4d\]: kill is possible
bajie [?\]: w considered it dead at O11
]
;B[ec]BL[30.0]OB[1];W[eb]WL[1152.2]
C[Tabemasu [2d?\]: its a ko i think
pensivedog [?\]: B K13?
];B[fb]BL[30.0]
OB[1];W[gb]WL[1149.3]
C[Lsugyen [5d\]: ko!!
rsun [4d\]: k13 still 1 eye
Lsugyen [5d\]: I know
]
;B[db]BL[30.0]OB[1];W[fa]WL[1148.3]
C[Tabemasu [2d?\]: actually it's not
Lsugyen [5d\]: B14
Lsugyen [5d\]: then B17
]
;B[mc]BL[30.0]OB[1];W[ma]WL[1138.7]
C[rsun [4d\]: n17 good
Lsugyen [5d\]: what do you mean?
];B[la]BL[30.0]OB[1]
C[rsun [4d\]: saved himself from sd
];W[na]WL[1136.7];B[cb]BL[30.0]OB[1]
;W[bb]WL[1134.7];B[bc]BL[30.0]OB[1]
C[rsun [4d\]: fossilman becoming fossil :(
rsun [4d\]: now I see the ko
Tabemasu [2d?\]: c19 works though
]
;W[bd]WL[1094.6]
C[Tabemasu [2d?\]: cause c12 and a12 can be sente for white
];B[ad]BL[30.0]
OB[1];W[ac]WL[1092.6];B[ae]BL[30.0]OB[1]
C[rsun [4d\]: b found myoshu
Timk [1d\]: myoshu ?
];W[ah]WL[1067.5]
C[Lsugyen [5d\]: uh oh
rsun [4d\]: too bad can only save 1 brother
Lsugyen [5d\]: still
Toge [1d\]: Splendid move?
]
;B[ce]BL[30.0]OB[1]
C[Lsugyen [5d\]: well.....
];W[bl]WL[1065.6]
C[Lsugyen [5d\]: W+?
Repacse [4k?\]: nakade
];B[jh]BL[30.0]OB[1];W[jg]WL[1061.2]
C[rsun [4d\]: saving the big brother is better than saving the little brother
]
;B[am]BL[30.0]OB[1]
C[xedover [?\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?ExcellentMove
];W[al]WL[1059.5];B[kg]
BL[30.0]OB[1];W[kh]WL[1049.6]
C[pensivedog [?\]: B put up an impressive fight
];B[lh]BL[30.0]OB[1]
C[Blindspots [2k\]: until left got ate
];W[ki]WL[1048.5]
C[Lsugyen [5d\]: yes
];B[bo]BL[30.0]OB[1];W[ao]WL[1044.0]
C[pensivedog [?\]: is B ahead?
rsun [4d\]: that is not possible
Meepy [-\]: w+20 or so
pensivedog [?\]: not so sure now
cloudnotes [9d\]: thx
AGATD [-\]: Thanks for the game!
fossilman [?\]: thanks
AGATD [-\]: Great game
rsun [4d\]: bottom half about even, top half w >> b, so b cannot be ahead
Lsugyen [5d\]: yep
Blindspots [2k\]: score molester had b up 10.5
pensivedog [?\]: check SE, b+2/5
rsun [4d\]: you need to set japanese rules first
rsun [4d\]: if you want to use se
rsun [4d\]: view offline -> game info -> rules
youngkwon [-\]: A good game. Congratulation, Andy. 
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