(;GM[1]FF[4]SZ[19]AP[SmartGo:2.8.3.0]CA[UTF-8]
GN[ACGA Spring Expo Exhibition Match - Chang Hao 9p (w) vs Andy Liu 1p (b)]
PW[Chang Hao]WR[9p]
PB[Andy Liu]BR[1p]
EV[ACGA Spring Expo 2013]
DT[2013-03-23]
PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]
KM[7.5]
RE[W+ 3.5]
US[Yi Tong/Todd Blatt]
RU[Chinese]ST[2]
TM[1800.0]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
C[hvk [-\]: hi
USGO2 [-\]: Commentary by made by Stephanie Yin 1p and Gansheng Shi 1p
USGO2 [-\]: Todd Blatt recording comments and variations
Rukis [4k\]: Any Streams :D
glasszee [5k\]: the two differences are this board has commentary, and the other one doesn't no?
USGO2 [-\]: USGO1 is live recorded right from the room where the game is being played
USGO2 [-\]: USGO2(this game) is live commentary in a different room
HKA [2d\]: who is USGO1 todd?
USGO2 [-\]: Todd Blatt, reporting in
HKA [2d\]: yeah, I wasted a joke meant for you in the USGO1  
joshgreen: It would have been nice to watch a stream.
]
;B[qd]
C[Shavshevet [-\]: or r13
USGO2 [-\]: Mingming Yin 1d professional
USGO2 [-\]: studying in ny
]
;W[dc]
C[ElNino [1k\]: P17
];B[dp]
C[USGO2 [-\]: it's uncommon to see this, play in opposit corners
];W[pp]
;B[ce]
C[USGO2 [-\]: We're going to wait a little for the game to progress before the commentary begins
USGO2 [-\]: black descides to approach the corner
]
;W[oc]
(;B[ld];W[of]
C[Koyou [-\]: understood
moraito [2k\]: why the same game on two different boards?
Koyou [-\]: one is a commentary
glasszee [5k\]: this room's commentary by pros, other room none
just9x9 [-\]: hoping for silent mode here...
Shavshevet [-\]: r14 now
USGO2 [-\]: white also approaches forcer
USGO2 [-\]: and andy decides to pindcer
USGO2 [-\]: white plays the two space jump
USGO2 [-\]: the normal joseki is 1 space jump
]
(;B[pc]
C[USGO2 [-\]: Gansheng is from Canada and is a new professional player from the AGA
USGO2 [-\]: andy plays here
Shavshevet [-\]: rather strange
USGO2 [-\]: Gansheng things that  normally w will play p16
]
(;W[pe]
C[USGO2 [-\]: but Chang Hao decided to play here
ironman2 [-\]: i saw o16  too
]
(;B[ob]
C[USGO2 [-\]: andy played here
]
(;W[qe]
C[USGO2 [-\]: white blocks
USGO2 [-\]: white is focusing on developing the right side
USGO2 [-\]: so instead white played on this side
]
;B[od];W[qj]
C[DangoMango [2k\]: who's doing the commentary?
Milo234 [1d?\]: And the board falls over...
chiron [5k?\]: two pros
Rukis [4k\]: Would this be a reasonable result?
chiron [5k?\]: start the game over
hazardous [6d\]: i guess someone played a very strong move
Rukis [4k\]: No lol
gyjgk: recorded for all generations to see!
HKA [2d\]: must have been some heavy moves
chiron [5k?\]: stones over concentrAted?
Muttley [3k\]: please don't play capsuji on demo board
spar [5k\]: board tipping tesuji
USGO2 [-\]: who is ahead in this exchange?
USGO2 [-\]: the room is voting
Rukis [4k\]: B
Rukis [4k\]: Black is
just9x9 [-\]: nuclear tesuji on demo board lol :)
joshgreen: wait what happened exactly?
holynec [-\]: B
azsakalli: W
RedDevil [6d\]: W
TwPrcntMlk [4k\]: the Fans are ahead
spar [5k\]: b
Go4Buli [1d\]: B
F525 [1k\]: Do you agree with playing low instead of high (Q10)?
ivank [3k\]: w
Clockwork [14k?\]: W
Hobbes [3k\]: b
Sheriffi [-\]: W
Gowithflow [5k\]: w
Roon3y [4d\]: even
Muttley [3k\]: I guess b will get to pincer the D17 stone eventually
frodwith [3k\]: it is still an even game...
Muttley [3k\]: that's a plus
wygctd [?\]: even
holynec [-\]: p14 is in a precarious place
USGO2 [-\]: Mingming says that it's even
chiron [5k?\]: i agree with frodo
USGO2 [-\]: she'll explain
ais [1k\]: w
]
(;B[nq]
C[hazardous [6d\]: USGO2 [-\]: Commentary by made by Stephanie Yin 1p and Gansheng Shi 1p
]
;W[pn]
C[USGO2 [-\]: The demo board tipped over and the magnetic demo stones fell all over the stage!
chiron [5k?\]: oh no!
Rukis [4k\]: Really? :/
Muttley [3k\]: wouldn't b pincer from right corner?
]
;B[ok]
C[USGO2 [-\]: it's not good to give away territory on the 4th line
USGO2 [-\]: so you dont usually play the p9 style move
USGO2 [-\]: r8 or q7 is better
Spirite142: question: is wr8 not ususal answer to b r9?
USGO2 [-\]: since it's andy, he can do what he wants in this game
]
(;W[oq]
C[Roon3y [4d\]: f3 2 big for w
gyjgk: what about black f17?
USGO2 [-\]: they agree this is a very andylike move
USGO2 [-\]: gansheng can't think of anyone else who'd play like this
Koyou [-\]: xD
USGO2 [-\]: andy played here because if w protects, then b takes the corner
USGO2 [-\]: Chang Hao saw this
USGO2 [-\]: so he exchanged this first
]
;B[np]
(;W[jp]
C[USGO2 [-\]: the corner isn't that safe yet
USGO2 [-\]: here B has two groups 
USGO2 [-\]: so white wants to attack
USGO2 [-\]: if b has to jump to connect the groups, then w can make territory 
]
;B[qk]
C[USGO2 [-\]: so andy decides to invade
];W[rk];B[qm]
C[Roon3y [4d\]: s10 overplay here for b?
USGO2 [-\]: andy plays the jump
USGO2 [-\]: which is interesting
chiron [5k?\]: what about o4?
]
(;W[pk]
C[USGO2 [-\]: white decides to atari from this side
]
(;B[pm];W[on];B[pj];W[ql]
C[USGO2 [-\]: b uses the stone to fix his shape
];B[pl]
C[USGO2 [-\]: w will probably connect
USGO2 [-\]: there's no ko threats for white since it's the begining
]
(;W[qk]
(;B[nl];W[mo]
C[USGO2 [-\]: B has two weak groups and W has territory
USGO2 [-\]: if W gets another move at the botttom, it'll be all his territory
USGO2 [-\]: one more move makes like 35 points
USGO2 [-\]: and gansheng doesn't see a place for B to make that kind of territory
]
(;B[lq]
C[USGO2 [-\]: w didnt want to do anything that agressive
USGO2 [-\]: it's torture for B to have to make these kind of moves
USGO2 [-\]: b should play q11 first
]
;W[lp];B[jr];W[oj];B[nj];W[pi]
C[USGO2 [-\]: just looking at points, white gains a lot on the right
]
(;B[kq]
C[USGO2 [-\]: white took away black's sente
faerhaeh: b is living in gote ya not good
RedDevil [6d\]: shouldnt have let white cut that stone
USGO2 [-\]: so first B secures his gains
USGO2 [-\]: doesn't just get sealed in
USGO2 [-\]: and maybe cut later at k5
USGO2 [-\]: w wont let this because b isn't alive yet on the right and is very heavy
]
;W[mk];B[nk]
C[USGO2 [-\]: it's like it's worth double
RedDevil [6d\]: too slow..
USGO2 [-\]: if andy just wanted to follow white he could
USGO2 [-\]: but he fixes the bottom
]
;W[lm]
C[USGO2 [-\]: w just attacks like this
];B[li]
C[USGO2 [-\]: b maybe could just connect back
USGO2 [-\]: w could get some influence in the center white attacking b
faerhaeh: because cutting at q16 helps b's corner
]
(;W[nc]
C[USGO2 [-\]: there is something here
USGO2 [-\]: you dont want to just attack something right away
USGO2 [-\]: dont just attack straight on or you wont see the best results
TwPrcntMlk [4k\]: white is winning hard
USGO2 [-\]: w can attack with k11 but it's unclear how to proceed
USGO2 [-\]: first he wants to take advantage 
RedDevil [6d\]: hard game for b
USGO2 [-\]: as B you can't play the strongest move at the top because it'll hurt the weak group
USGO2 [-\]: you have to think about that one too
spar [5k\]: bad white
USGO2 [-\]: why does w extend instead of cut at q16 first
USGO2 [-\]: save the excahnges for later
USGO2 [-\]: don't play everything out first
USGO2 [-\]: he might want it later
]
(;B[mc]
C[katarakt [1k\]: black might anwer q16 at o17 ?
]
(;W[kk]
C[USGO2 [-\]: pros like to save moves
]
(;B[oh];W[iq];B[kp]
C[USGO2 [-\]: white wants to establish and make thickness around k6
USGO2 [-\]: first prepare yourself for an attack
USGO2 [-\]: white wont let B just escape on the right
]
;W[ko]
C[USGO2 [-\]: the push is to save the k5 cut
USGO2 [-\]: before he lives
]
;B[or];W[pr];B[nr]
C[USGO2 [-\]: o12 isn't sente
]
(;W[lg]
C[USGO2 [-\]: andy has 3 byo periods left
];B[kj]
C[USGO2 [-\]: b is getting more ahead into the center
USGO2 [-\]: and making it more comfortable
USGO2 [-\]: the cut is still there
USGO2 [-\]: at o11
USGO2 [-\]: they're always looking at that ladder
USGO2 [-\]: the ko at q10 has no meaning for either player
]
;W[jk];B[og];W[pd];B[qc];W[nf];B[qh]
C[USGO2 [-\]: gansheng just said b can't jump in yet because he is still under attack
USGO2 [-\]: and then andy jumped in
USGO2 [-\]: b has no time to worry about that kind of move
USGO2 [-\]: white is attacking black
]
;W[rm];B[qn];W[ro]
C[USGO2 [-\]: Chang Hao still has 12+ minutes
];B[nd]
C[Milo234 [1d?\]: Changhao still has more than twelve minutes and Any is down to 3 byo yomi periods.
USGO2 [-\]: white isn't using much time because it's all natural moves for him
precal [2k\]: how much time does both player get?
USGO2 [-\]: black has a lot of things to do and it consumes a lot of time for black
glasszee [5k\]: was o16 really so urgent?
]
;W[kh]
C[glasszee [5k\]: kinda loses sente
kuly [6k\]: chang hao also has a bit experience ^^
faerhaeh: 30 min each and some byo yomi periods
Hokke [-\]: pretty much
USGO2 [-\]: white can connect with s5
USGO2 [-\]: si it's a lot ofpoints in the corner
]
;B[qo]
C[USGO2 [-\]: white has control
];W[qp]
C[kuly [6k\]: did b play o16?
maggie [1k\]: i agree
USGO2 [-\]: andy is playing greedy becausehe's behind
]
;B[rn];W[sn]
C[USGO2 [-\]: o16 isn't needed
kuly [6k\]: seems overplay
USGO2 [-\]: it should be at j11
USGO2 [-\]: b has only 20 points
kuly [6k\]: o18 wont work for w
USGO2 [-\]: and white has that just in the bottom right
]
;B[rp];W[so]
(;B[lk];W[ll]
C[USGO2 [-\]: andy might be thinking that o16 removes eyespace from white
USGO2 [-\]: you can't just run away
]
;B[mj]
C[Hokke [-\]: how about a ko?
kuly [6k\]: isnt w happy to play k10  if b wins ko?
]
;W[lj]
C[USGO2 [-\]: there is some aji in the corner
];B[sl];W[sm];B[lk]
C[USGO2 [-\]: b may be playing like this to gain a new byo period
USGO2 [-\]: but there is something here
]
;W[mh];B[oi]
C[Hokke [-\]: that wasn't necessary for b
USGO2 [-\]: this is needed or else w takes the black three stones
USGO2 [-\]: it also leaves another ko for white at o11
]
(;W[lj];B[po];W[oo]
C[Hokke [-\]: o8?
USGO2 [-\]: maybe B shouldn't have stood up from the kick at p3
USGO2 [-\]: you can't have everything
]
;B[lk]
C[USGO2 [-\]: if you want to gain on both sides you'll always be getting attacked
]
;W[nm];B[ol];W[lj]
C[USGO2 [-\]: these are ko threats that aren't harmful
];B[mf]
C[USGO2 [-\]: b has 3 or 4 ko threats
USGO2 [-\]: but it doesn't mean anything for white
USGO2 [-\]: the ko isn't important for white
]
;W[ng]
C[Hokke [-\]: maybe he's just testing
];B[lk]
C[USGO2 [-\]: if b wins the ko then he'll definitely attack white's o14 group
Hokke [-\]: chang time?
USGO2 [-\]: white doesn't want to win this ko
]
(;W[me]
C[USGO2 [-\]: it has no effect on white
precal [2k\]: just want the ko to keep going?
USGO2 [-\]: white would rather ain by taking the ko threat and will reply to any ko threat
]
;B[jj]
C[USGO2 [-\]: andy chooses to go out
];W[lj]
C[USGO2 [-\]: white eventually get a move somewhere
];B[op]
C[USGO2 [-\]: painful for black either way
];W[qr];B[lk];W[ij];B[ji];W[lj]
C[DangoMango [2k\]: b should just resign
];B[pq]
C[TwPrcntMlk [4k\]: black gg inc
];W[qq]
C[USGO2 [-\]: b has to play k11 to escape and if white connects there is still two cutting points
]
;B[lk]
C[Hokke [-\]: how about j12?
TwPrcntMlk [4k\]: ....
USGO2 [-\]: white's in a good position right now
]
;W[ml]
C[USGO2 [-\]: white connects here
USGO2 [-\]: black can't connect
]
(;B[lf]
C[USGO2 [-\]: white will get two moves int he h14 area if b needs to connect
]
;W[kf];B[le];W[nh];B[jh];W[lj];B[lh]
C[USGO2 [-\]: white may have tried to play a big more complicated than he needed to
USGO2 [-\]: if you look at it white isn't alive itself anymore
]
;W[mg]
C[USGO2 [-\]: n8 was greedy
USGO2 [-\]: maybe white didn't see the m12 move
maggie [1k\]: hi
]
;B[pj]
(;W[qi]
C[USGO2 [-\]: if white doesn't connect here
];B[rg]
C[USGO2 [-\]: and connevts the ko, then it's alive
];W[rf]
C[USGO2 [-\]: this is now getting a bit out of hand for white
]
(;B[qf]
C[USGO2 [-\]: if b just connects at n11, he's all connected
USGO2 [-\]: white can connect this way
USGO2 [-\]: so this prevents the connection
]
;W[pf]
C[USGO2 [-\]: and white can't seal him up
];B[qg];W[rd]
C[USGO2 [-\]: making black live inside would have been better, forcing him to take the ko and make the eyes
USGO2 [-\]: at m10
]
;B[lk];W[oj];B[ik]
C[USGO2 [-\]: theyre fighting now and it's complicated
USGO2 [-\]: you don't want things to get complicated when you're leading
Falcon89 [4k?\]: very
]
;W[lj]
C[joshgreen: inspiring.
];B[il]
C[USGO2 [-\]: this cut at j9 makes more problems for white
];W[hj];B[lk]
;W[jm]
C[USGO2 [-\]: b was already half dead so why not fight more
];B[im]
C[Falcon89 [4k?\]: indeed
chitos [2d\]: Great battle
USGO2 [-\]: b isn't just worried about his group
]
;W[jn]
C[USGO2 [-\]: he wants to cause trouble
NidanKolen [1k\]: this game is too scary
USGO2 [-\]: it's hard to say who is ahead or behind anymore
]
;B[hh]
C[chitos [2d\]: looks w shape is comfortable.
joshgreen: there is so much to consider now.
]
;W[ni]
C[locker [2d\]: remaining time ?
USGO2 [-\]: they're wondering about p10
USGO2 [-\]: might be slow
]
;B[pj];W[lj]
C[USGO2 [-\]: now white starts the other ko
USGO2 [-\]: the whole game is about a ko problem
faerhaeh: why not ? this is awesome :D
TwPrcntMlk [4k\]: THIS is MADNESS!!!
]
;B[oj]
C[just9x9 [-\]: omg there?
roygee [6k\]: w P7 is important?
DangoMango [2k\]: insanity
USGO2 [-\]: b connecting here is REALLY agressive
ironman2 [-\]: i really don't understand b...
USGO2 [-\]: if you're about to die you can do anything you want
USGO2 [-\]: black has a better mindset
faerhaeh: now l13?
baum [8k\]: lol
USGO2 [-\]: white is now all complicated too and wasnt before
USGO2 [-\]: b is continuing what he was doing before
chitos [2d\]: USGO2, who are you
Muttley [3k\]: Andy has played more games on kgs ;)
USGO2 [-\]: b did cause trouble for white
geek [1d\]: haha
roygee [6k\]:  Stephanie Yin 1p
Milo234 [1d?\]: What name does Andy Liu use when he plays on KGS?
chitos [2d\]: wow
USGO2 [-\]: white maybe can't even cut right now
NidanKolen [1k\]: it`s op-op KGS style
Muttley [3k\]: Many
USGO2 [-\]: there is no ko threat
faerhaeh: bigbadwolf
USGO2 [-\]: and b has a lot
just9x9 [-\]: what is better  with p10 than with n11 besides one more liberty and much more to loose?
glasszee [5k\]: andy liu would have unknown names
Muttley [3k\]: hjef etc is one
USGO2 [-\]: b has 3 or more ko threats
USGO2 [-\]: for white to play it now is probably not the best
chitos [2d\]: a
USGO2 [-\]: but w needs to start it
ptitlou [3d\]: b volontarily played bad in main time because he is so strong in byoyomi :-)
glasszee [5k\]: time status on w?
]
;W[mi]
C[Muttley [3k\]: great commentary, incidentally, thank you
USGO2 [-\]: no reason not to start the ko now
Muttley [3k\]: just on another level :)
]
;B[lk]
C[ThiGar [3k\]: if b wins, his rank will make big jump
USGO2 [-\]: white will gain two moves around h15
]
;W[nb];B[mb]
C[USGO2 [-\]: and b will connect
];W[lj]
C[glasszee [5k\]: are exposition games ranked?
joshgreen: This is exhibition
]
;B[sp]
C[USGO2 [-\]: now it's good for black, gansheng says,
];W[rl]
C[USGO2 [-\]: stephanie says, "really?"
];B[lk]
C[Muttley [3k\]: :)
Sheriffi [-\]: :-/
baum [8k\]: haha
chitos [2d\]: 2p?
]
;W[pb]
C[USGO2 [-\]: theres no way white can win the ko
Muttley [3k\]: love it when commentators disagree :)
]
;B[na];W[lj];B[sf]
C[USGO2 [-\]: b only has one more ko threat
];W[re];B[lk];W[rc]
C[eatramen [?\]: why are there two demos?
Sheriffi [-\]: andy still has 3 periods?
mayeck [-\]: two s3  and o5 
roygee [6k\]: @USGO2 You are really a good commentator, I like your explaination
]
;B[lj];W[qb]
C[TwPrcntMlk [4k\]: ERMERGERD!!! KO problem from hell!!
];B[fl]
C[Sheriffi [-\]: ...
flogo [2d\]: who is gaining from that position right now ?
USGO2 [-\]: if white captured the two stones at l11 it might be better
]
;W[fj]
C[Sandmann [-\]: suddenly look good for b
Muttley [3k\]: I like b too
geek [1d\]: if white juste took the m12 stones, wouldn't it be enough ?
DangoMango [2k\]: so who won
Muttley [3k\]: what a game!
flogo [2d\]: who is gaining from that position right now ?
USGO2 [-\]: when you're fighting you dont want to get out of the fight, you sometimes just keeep on fighting
Ikay [13k\]: now who is ahead?
faerhaeh: b came out ahead
]
;B[no]
C[joshgreen: War of attrition
];W[nn]
C[flogo [2d\]: ok thx
USGO2 [-\]: if w captured the two stones, then w would have sente
]
;B[ed]
C[USGO2 [-\]: now b has sente
flogo [2d\]: but blavk not alive yet
USGO2 [-\]: w has more a bit territory
]
;W[dk]
C[Muttley [3k\]: I thought w would give up the right for sente
USGO2 [-\]: white has a group he needs to settle at f10
gnarf [1d\]: even if he loose, i mean
]
;B[dm]
C[USGO2 [-\]: maybe w connected because he still wants to fight
USGO2 [-\]: stephanie loves this game because it's really complcated
chitos [2d\]: wow
USGO2 [-\]: the corner is to small right now
USGO2 [-\]: top left
TwPrcntMlk [4k\]: Where is SAI when you need him? :P
]
(;W[eg];B[cg]
C[Gaarg [1k\]: black may cut white on the left?
joshgreen: Sai passed on my friend.
just9x9 [-\]: oh, he cxommited himself with e16 you mean?
]
;W[gf]
C[Muttley [3k\]: hey, w is still attacking b's dragon ...
Koukkaaja [3d\]: I relax atm
]
;B[eh]
C[gogol1er [1d\]: i thought gu li was new sakata
];W[fh]
C[ironman2 [-\]: andy + hoa mind on firei think... :)
];B[gi]
C[Ikay [13k\]: woooo too fast
]
(;W[dh]
C[USGO2 [-\]: w is trying to gain sente and get the d17 stone back
USGO2 [-\]: it's hard to commentate, gansheng says
]
;B[gj];W[dd]
C[HelloQtion [-\]: ahah :)
USGO2 [-\]: white cant save the stones at j10
joshgreen: That is the cerebral cortex stimulation roygee.
]
(;B[ef]
C[USGO2 [-\]: b taking the two isn't that big
];W[ee]
C[Greystone [3k\]: e13 soooo good
joshgreen: Should this be the first pro game i try to study from?
SImikin [2k\]: no
ptitlou [3d\]: e11 now ?
USGO2 [-\]: this might not be enough for black
USGO2 [-\]: he should do ore
]
;B[de]
C[Gaarg [1k\]: this should be the last ame to study from
];W[fe]
C[gogol1er [1d\]: row of alternate stones
faerhaeh: unless you understand it there is no point in studying it
roygee [6k\]: I was lethargic and so sleepy before and happen to saw this game from the begining and I suddenly felt my mind so awaken  ^^
]
;B[ch];W[ei]
C[NidanKolen [1k\]: so now w is leading again?
];B[bc];W[gc]
C[USGO2 [-\]: now it's a territory game
just9x9 [-\]: taking two stones gives safety though for dragon
jodageezer [6k?\]: Did Andy play Dinershin the other day?
USGO2 [-\]: w is still ahead on points
faerhaeh: yea he did
gogol1er [1d\]: 1, 2 3 4 etc
USGO2 [-\]: there's about 12 pointsin the lower right for white
ptitlou [3d\]: something like f3 looks big no ?
jodageezer [6k?\]: And Andy won didn't he?
faerhaeh: ye
USGO2 [-\]: white has like 40-45
Lorelton: Why is the same game shown by USGO1?
USGO2 [-\]: 20 inthe lower right
USGO2 [-\]: maybe 35
faerhaeh: because this one is being commentated
USGO2 [-\]: close to 40
]
(;B[cb]
C[USGO2 [-\]: let's count
Lorelton: Didn't see that, thanks !
USGO2 [-\]: if white gets the corner it's the game
USGO2 [-\]: this is big
NidanKolen [1k\]: I would have played e3 too
]
;W[cq];B[cp];W[dq];B[eq];W[er];B[fr]
(;W[gm]
C[HelloQtion [-\]: uh
USGO2 [-\]: b didn't need to worry about living with c18
USGO2 [-\]: ok now it's getting more interesting
ThiGar [3k\]: j5?
just9x9 [-\]: g7 breaks ladder but doesnt threaten to rescue the two stones
USGO2 [-\]: the ladder was god for black
]
;B[ep];W[bp];B[bo];W[br];B[ci];W[bn]
C[ptitlou [3d\]: whi did'nt black just d2 instead of e4
HelloQtion [-\]: can't b just D2 here ?
]
;B[ap];W[aq];B[bq]
C[USGO2 [-\]: andy didnt want to play g8
];W[hk];B[gl];W[bp];B[fd]
C[faerhaeh: cause then he gets cut helloqtion
];W[gd];B[bq];W[cd]
C[USGO2 [-\]: b can't just decent
USGO2 [-\]: it's still a ko for white 
Ikay [13k\]: j5?
]
;B[be]
C[Wagaboo [3k\]: more*
just9x9 [-\]: g13 for b?
USGO2 [-\]: g8
];W[bp]
C[Splatted [5k\]: F9
ptitlou [3d\]: what pb in the center ?
];B[ff];W[ge]
C[Splatted [5k\]: why did black use a ko threat just then?
];B[bq];W[bd]
;B[ad];W[bp]
C[Wagaboo [3k\]: b has lire threatrs i think
USGO2 [-\]: since there's problems in the center, b doesn't want white to get sente
]
;B[eb]
C[ptitlou [3d\]: the ko has been terminated
Fredda [-\]: so far it looks like pass
USGO2 [-\]: ladder 
faerhaeh: g7 was suppose to be a ladder breaking
Fredda [-\]: but it didnt threaten anything?
faerhaeh: for bottom left joseki but it wasn't used
]
;W[ao]
C[Fredda [-\]: what was the purpose of g7?
];B[fb];W[ir]
C[battlepony [4d\]: is B g13 cutting?
];B[jq];W[ip];B[gn]
C[ptitlou [3d\]: ok h8 was working as a cut it seems
Wagaboo [3k\]: looks like it's hard  for USGO2
chitos [2d\]: undo?
]
;W[mp];B[ks];W[fn]
C[USGO2 [-\]: l1 is the only way to live
];B[fm]
C[chitos [2d\]: yes. 
]
(;W[go];B[hm];W[en];B[dn];W[hn]
C[USGO2 [-\]: w finishing up the center
USGO2 [-\]: the cut doesn't work for b
USGO2 [-\]: f5
]
;B[in]
C[USGO2 [-\]: keep in mind, no points at n1
USGO2 [-\]: counting...
];W[gm]
C[USGO2 [-\]: 28-30 top left
USGO2 [-\]: white has like 35-40
USGO2 [-\]: b has 10 in the center
]
;B[rr]
C[ptitlou [3d\]: w starts to use 9p power
];W[rq]
C[USGO2 [-\]: all together has 43
];B[gn]
C[flogo [2d\]: J17 seems big
];W[lr]
C[USGO2 [-\]: even game but white has komi
];B[os];W[gm]
C[mayeck [-\]: g13 look dangerous to me, is f12 alive in sente?
nepal999: g13 looks dangerous
USGO2 [-\]: w can grow points at p17 s11
USGO2 [-\]: b has somethings to worry about
USGO2 [-\]: s2 is big
faerhaeh: but isn't r1 connecting pointless anyway?
]
;B[dl]
C[USGO2 [-\]: if they play the seki, r1 can connect
];W[df]
C[faerhaeh: besides saving a few points?
];B[gn];W[oc]
C[USGO2 [-\]: d8 sente
USGO2 [-\]: so w goes d14
];B[ic]
C[USGO2 [-\]: this is too far
USGO2 [-\]: k17 better
];W[gb];B[io]
C[USGO2 [-\]: both players realize game is close
USGO2 [-\]: so they dont want to give anything away easily
]
;W[jo];B[gp]
C[USGO2 [-\]: b only has one eye at the top right
];W[kc];B[ib]
C[just9x9 [-\]: wow nice b at g4
];W[ms];B[mq]
C[USGO2 [-\]: b exchanged the two at f14 and p17 for the e6 stones
USGO2 [-\]: h1 is sente
]
(;W[jb]
C[kairos [-\]: g18 sente
];B[jd]
C[USGO2 [-\]: w has like 45 points
];W[ga]
C[USGO2 [-\]: b has 50
USGO2 [-\]: k18 is strange looking
USGO2 [-\]: white gained in this exchange
]
;B[mn];W[lo];B[db];W[ia];B[nc];W[kd];B[om];W[mm]
C[just9x9 [-\]: b problems now?
]
(;B[ke];W[je]
C[ptitlou [3d\]: why b o17 ?
chiron [5k?\]: w gained a lot
Ikay [13k\]: wow w is amazing
]
(;B[jf];W[ie];B[if];W[hf]
C[USGO2 [-\]: it's a really big loss
];B[kg]
C[USGO2 [-\]: 12 points there for white now
USGO2 [-\]: all in sente. so w is probably going to win.
AnandaB [2k\]: plus the takeaway
ptitlou [3d\]: it didn' tsee m that far at first glance
faerhaeh: w b8?
USGO2 [-\]: b has about 62
]
;W[gq]
C[just9x9 [-\]: just because of j17...
];B[id];W[he]
(;B[dr];W[fp]
(;B[hp];W[fq];B[ho];W[co]
(;B[do];W[gr];B[es]
C[USGO2 [-\]: f5 isn only 8 points
USGO2 [-\]: so there is something bigger
USGO2 [-\]: b9 is big
]
;W[fo];B[qs];W[sq]
C[ptitlou [3d\]: so f5 yose mistake by w ?
];B[ps];W[bl];B[bk]
C[just9x9 [-\]: w endgame very impressive
Hobbes [3k\]: b8 b9 was w privilege,,, doesn't need to hurry
]
;W[dg];B[bm]
C[USGO2 [-\]: counting again
];W[cm]
C[ptitlou [3d\]: d13 seems strange
USGO2 [-\]: b has more than 50
];B[cl]
;W[am];B[cn]
C[USGO2 [-\]: w has about 48-49 points
USGO2 [-\]: b has like 53
];W[bm]
C[mceDtlpd [11k?\]: with komi?
NidanKolen [1k\]: plus komi?
BigPhenix [3d\]: how much the komi ?
USGO2 [-\]: komi is 8 more
]
;B[jl];W[kl]
C[USGO2 [-\]: these are all endgame
]
(;B[ck]
C[nepal999: also w capture 2 more
USGO2 [-\]: s11 is big
faerhaeh: s11
USGO2 [-\]: if b doesn't connect at c9, w can clamp at b10
]
;W[hg];B[ig];W[cr];B[kb];W[jc];B[lc]
C[gacua [1d\]: will l18 work?
];W[ja];B[ka];W[ha];B[bo];W[ak]
C[USGO2 [-\]: B has 54
];B[co]
C[USGO2 [-\]: it's a really tough game
];W[ai]
C[USGO2 [-\]: they're fighting form the beginning to the end
USGO2 [-\]: w has 47-48 points
]
;B[ah]
(;W[bh];B[bg];W[ag]
C[USGO2 [-\]: the right side was bigger s11
];B[bj];W[aj]
C[USGO2 [-\]: why did he play this, is it bad for white
];B[bi]
C[faerhaeh: man w is so diconnected
Goprince [4d\]: its ko..
];W[ap];B[ah]
;W[mr]
C[USGO2 [-\]: white should have just played on the right.  now there is a ko
gacua [1d\]: bad ko
faerhaeh: yea but it's a few steps if w wants to be okay
joshgreen: decreases possible score right?
USGO2 [-\]: white has more ko threats
USGO2 [-\]: so white can actually do this
]
;B[rs];W[sr];B[ls]
C[USGO2 [-\]: white is slightly ahead
];W[bh];B[ri]
C[USGO2 [-\]: b can leave it and take the right
];W[an];B[ah]
C[USGO2 [-\]: q17 is the next biggest move
];W[cf];B[bf];W[bh]
C[USGO2 [-\]: w wil eventually connect at a8 and b can capture the stones
USGO2 [-\]: this is 5 points
USGO2 [-\]: so anything bigger than that
]
;B[hq]
C[gacua [1d\]: US, just take rather than B14?
];W[hr];B[ah];W[fc];B[ec];W[bh]
;B[sj];W[sk];B[ah]
C[USGO2 [-\]: if white just connects, b wont take ko
];W[la];B[lb];W[bh]
C[USGO2 [-\]: he'll play elsewhere and get the big endgame moves
USGO2 [-\]: and then come back and take the ko
USGO2 [-\]: white doesn't want to force that either, so they're just going to play the ko out
]
;B[dj]
C[Gaarg [1k\]: f9?
timewise [2k\]: J1/F9 good ko threats for W
];W[ah]
C[USGO2 [-\]: B has 53 points
USGO2 [-\]: now for white
gacua [1d\]: I mean, why did b connect at B14? He should just take at A8
faerhaeh: f11
]
;B[af];W[al]
C[USGO2 [-\]: B has 52
just9x9 [-\]: e10
USGO2 [-\]: white has like 46
]
;B[gh]
C[USGO2 [-\]: it's getting close
];W[fk]
C[USGO2 [-\]: because black is quite thick
];B[gk];W[ek]
C[USGO2 [-\]: you can squeeze a few more points out at the end
USGO2 [-\]: b has to play q17 to take that
gnarf [1d\]: is there komi?
USGO2 [-\]: it's big
]
;B[di];W[fi];B[gg]
C[nepal999: so w 7 behind on board, but 8 komi and 3 extra captured?
];W[fg]
;B[ne];W[pc];B[pa]
C[USGO2 [-\]: o15 is smaller than the take at q17
];W[qa];B[oa];W[se];B[sg]
;W[rj];B[si];W[fa]
C[USGO2 [-\]: mingming thinks that black probably lost the game
];B[ea]
C[USGO2 [-\]: white has 46
USGO2 [-\]: black now
];W[cs]
C[USGO2 [-\]: 52 maybe
faerhaeh: j1 gets a point
];B[js]
C[faerhaeh: not anymore
];W[oq];B[er];W[pq];B[is];W[hs]
C[USGO2 [-\]: it's actually very very close
gacua [1d\]: SE says white wins
Ikay [13k\]: he had to o1 or seki
just9x9 [-\]: must fill dame?
just9x9 [-\]: omg lag
Ikay [13k\]: b dead?!!!
kairos [-\]: chinese rules
Ikay [13k\]: in the bottom?
kukulele [2k\]: no
kukulele [2k\]: seki
NidanKolen [1k\]: seki
kukulele [2k\]: so w wins
joshgreen: mutual destruction
faerhaeh: seki because o1 and l2 make bad shapes for w
Ikay [13k\]: wow what a game
gacua [1d\]: White wins by 2.5
gyjgk: +3
joshgreen: What I just witnessed. one could only hope, Dream to play like. Wow. what amazing talent
nepal999: +4
nepal999: 8 komi
USGO2 [-\]: W wins by 4
USGO2 [-\]: black lost 11 points at j17
USGO2 [-\]: it was big
just9x9 [-\]: tx for relay and comments USGO
USGO2 [-\]: if black played the top better it would have been a lot close
Muttley [3k\]: Thank you to both commentators for an excellent commentary
USGO2 [-\]: the players are coming over to the room
Ikay [13k\]: tx USGO
jodageezer [6k?\]: Amazing fighting spirit by Andy!
katarakt [1k\]: thanks to USGO2 and commentators
baum [8k\]: thanks for commentating
dfhfhfb [2k\]: thank them both for us 
dfhfhfb [2k\]: :)
chameleon [5k\]: thanks for commenting
USGO2 [-\]: Thanks for watching
Hokke [-\]: andy had a great comeback.
Ilyaplush1 [3k\]: thanks
USGO2 [-\]: thanks to the pros for commenting
joshgreen: Inspiring game. I wish to play like this someday.
jodageezer [6k?\]: Thanks for the pros' comments.
NidanKolen [1k\]: really impressive play by Andy
]
)
(;W[aj]
C[HelloQtion [-\]: k17 at m18 wasn't possible ?
]))
(;B[cr];W[bq];B[ck]
C[USGO2 [-\]: this is better
]))
(;B[fo];W[do]))
(;B[cr]
C[USGO2 [-\]: b will probably atari
]))
(;B[fp]))
(;B[ie];W[jf];B[if]
C[USGO2 [-\]: no way of living
USGO2 [-\]: so b has to give up the three stones
]
))
(;B[je]
C[ptitlou [3d\]:  he could just try to connetc no ?
];W[ke];B[if];W[ne]
C[USGO2 [-\]: b is dead here
];B[lb];W[la]))
(;W[ga];B[];W[db];B[da];W[ea];B[fa];W[ec]))
(;W[lr];B[os];W[ms];B[mq];W[hs];B[];W[fs]))
(;W[fq];B[ep]
(;W[dr];B[gq]
C[USGO2 [-\]: this requires for the ladder to be good for b
])
(;W[gr];B[dr];W[fs];B[cr]
C[USGO2 [-\]: w doesn't want this
])))
(;B[fq])
(;B[eq]
C[USGO2 [-\]: this is bigger
]))
(;B[de]
C[USGO2 [-\]: this doesn't work
]))
(;W[gj];B[fi];W[ei]))
(;W[fb]
C[geek [1d\]: black lived but black has no points
];B[ec]
C[ThiGar [3k\]: f10 can't be killed?
gnarf [1d\]: i never understand how Andy is able to manage his groups, kinda magic everytime
USGO2 [-\]: B pretty much has to kill the f10 group
just9x9 [-\]: has he?
ptitlou [3d\]: it's the sakata of modern time
USGO2 [-\]: here in the top b is just giving w points otherwise
]
))
(;B[ph];W[rh]
C[martin3141 [-\]: why white o12?
];B[qg];W[sg]))
(;W[lk];B[qi];W[oj];B[ph];W[pj];B[sp]))
(;B[lj];W[hh]
C[TwPrcntMlk [4k\]: black needs white to make a BIG mistake or black needs an amazing move
USGO2 [-\]: if B wins the ko, he doesn't live
USGO2 [-\]: it just connects the group
chiron [5k?\]: game over?
USGO2 [-\]: white isn't giving him any ways to live
]
))
(;W[ii];B[ml]
C[USGO2 [-\]: it's not alive
Muttley [3k\]: classic BBW :)
USGO2 [-\]: there are some problems for white
USGO2 [-\]: at n13
USGO2 [-\]: but if that's fixed then it's not alive
USGO2 [-\]: s3 sente
]
;W[lf];B[rq];W[rr];B[ri]
C[USGO2 [-\]: there might be a liberty problem
]))
(;W[ni]
C[USGO2 [-\]: free ko later on
]))
(;B[po];W[oo];B[op];W[qq]))
(;W[]
C[USGO2 [-\]: no reason for w to follow b
USGO2 [-\]: b plays to fix a cut at o11
]
(;B[ph])
(;B[];W[mj];B[mi];W[ni];B[oi])))
(;B[lg];W[ji];B[];W[jg];B[];W[me]
C[USGO2 [-\]: if something was like this
USGO2 [-\]: then w can go at o18 instead of o16
]
;B[];W[pd];B[qc];W[nb]))
(;W[pd];B[qc];W[nd];B[nb]
C[USGO2 [-\]: maybe in the future if white has a stone at l17, he can connect
]
))
(;B[nd]
(;W[nb])
(;W[pd];B[qc])))
(;W[pd];B[nc];W[qc]
C[katarakt [1k\]: if first
USGO2 [-\]: maybe w is worried that b will just give up the corner
]
))
(;B[ni];W[ir];B[kr];W[iq];B[or];W[pr];B[mr];W[os];B[nr]
C[roygee [6k\]: alive
USGO2 [-\]: b made 2 points, isn't alive on the right
USGO2 [-\]: it's not good position for black
USGO2 [-\]: white has territory and thickness
USGO2 [-\]: b doesn't gain much
]
))
(;B[pi]
(;W[qh]
C[USGO2 [-\]: if b extends it's sente
USGO2 [-\]: if white doesnt' jump
]
(;B[jr]
(;W[lq];B[hq]
C[USGO2 [-\]: b could escape like this
USGO2 [-\]: and b still can play m2 and be annoying
]
)
(;W[hq]
C[chiron [5k?\]: i like it
];B[lq]
C[USGO2 [-\]: b can live like this if w plays on the outside
USGO2 [-\]: They both like white
]
))
(;B[]
C[USGO2 [-\]: b should have fixed at O 17 instead of p16
]
(;W[nj];B[oj];W[lj];B[qn];W[qo];B[ro];W[rp]
C[USGO2 [-\]: B can't get any eyes here
USGO2 [-\]: since B has no eyes and no base, he has to settle it somehow
Muttley [3k\]: painful game for b
USGO2 [-\]: in the corner later on W can cut at q16
]
)
(;W[pd];B[qc];W[nc];B[nd];W[mc];B[md];W[nb];B[lc])))
(;W[];B[qh]
C[USGO2 [-\]: it'll be hard to connect the two groups for white on the right
]
)))
(;B[]
C[USGO2 [-\]: so white connects
USGO2 [-\]: Mingming likes white better here
USGO2 [-\]: so does gansheng
chiron [5k?\]: me too
frodwith [3k\]: so does frodwith
USGO2 [-\]: B has two weak groups and needs to settle
]
;W[];B[nl];W[mo]
C[USGO2 [-\]: once white plays this move, these two stones are pretty much dead
reprisal [-\]: can he jump r3 to salvage?
glasszee [5k\]: can't b have bottom right corner?
]
(;B[lq];W[kq]
C[USGO2 [-\]: white can play like this
USGO2 [-\]: and there's not a good move they see for B
]
(;B[lo])
(;B[lp];W[kn]
C[USGO2 [-\]: if B can't escape into the center with these stones
USGO2 [-\]: it'll cost a lot to live
]
)
(;B[kr];W[jr];B[or];W[pr];B[mr]
C[USGO2 [-\]: it's very painful
USGO2 [-\]: you don't want to live like this
]
))
(;B[qq]
C[glasszee [5k\]: yes
USGO2 [-\]: if black wants to play like this
]
(;W[qp]
C[USGO2 [-\]: white could play like this if he can kill the whole group
USGO2 [-\]: but even if he can't
]
)
(;W[or]
C[USGO2 [-\]: there isn't much territory on the right for white anyway
]
(;B[ro]
C[USGO2 [-\]: the best b can do is try this
USGO2 [-\]: but he cant connect
]
;W[qn]
C[Spirite142: b can play the ko with t4 imo
]
(;B[rn])
(;B[rm];W[rn];B[sn];W[rp];B[qp];W[qo];B[so];W[rq]
C[reprisal [-\]: not much there
USGO2 [-\]: white can kill the two stones in the corner like this
USGO2 [-\]: it's hard for B to make a connection back to his group
]
))
(;B[rm];W[qn]
C[USGO2 [-\]: think of it this way
USGO2 [-\]: how could B connect from this position
maggie [1k\]: hi
]
)))))
(;W[];B[qk];W[pi];B[rl]
C[USGO2 [-\]: this is too big
USGO2 [-\]: any ko threat would be too small
]
))
(;B[ql]
(;W[pl]
C[USGO2 [-\]: w can't push here
];B[pm]
C[USGO2 [-\]: b can push out
];W[om];B[rj];W[ol];B[qi];W[pj];B[rh]
C[USGO2 [-\]: like this B takes all of w territory away
USGO2 [-\]: not a good result for white
]
)
(;W[pj]
C[USGO2 [-\]: this is much better
];B[om]
C[USGO2 [-\]: they agree this is pretty good for white
];W[on];B[nn]
C[USGO2 [-\]: b can try to cnnect
];W[nm]
(;B[ol];W[no]
C[USGO2 [-\]: but b is completely cut
])
(;B[nl];W[pm];B[mm];W[pl]
C[USGO2 [-\]: this is a bad result
USGO2 [-\]: b gets catured and white gets the area
]
))))
(;W[ql];B[pm]
C[USGO2 [-\]: white can take the stone but the corner is...
USGO2 [-\]: white loses a lot of territory and is kind of weak
]
;W[pk]
C[USGO2 [-\]: so white wont take it
]))
(;W[pl]
(;B[qq]
(;W[pr];B[qr]
C[USGO2 [-\]: this is sente
];W[nr]
(;B[ro]
C[USGO2 [-\]: here 
])
(;B[qo]
C[USGO2 [-\]: or here
]))
(;W[qp];B[or]
C[USGO2 [-\]: b can connect
USGO2 [-\]: and it's a big reduction
]))
(;B[jp]
C[USGO2 [-\]: if you do it directly then b just takes nice territory at the bottom
]
)))
(;W[pl];B[qq];W[pq];B[pr];W[or];B[qr]
C[Koyou [-\]: indeed, sounds reasonable
];W[oq];B[ro];W[rn];B[qo];W[qn];B[po]
;W[oo]
C[glasszee [5k\]: what does b do with p9 if w doesn't protect?
USGO2 [-\]: this is a normal joseki
Muttley [3k\]: see game
Koyou [-\]: xD muttley
]
;B[np];W[op];B[qp]
C[USGO2 [-\]: b takes whites area
USGO2 [-\]: ruins the ideal formation
USGO2 [-\]: this is good for white witout the r10 stone
USGO2 [-\]: r10 makes this overconcentrated
USGO2 [-\]: andy wants to play this exchange at p9 first
USGO2 [-\]: and make white very concentrated
USGO2 [-\]: w wouldn't play q8 if the lower right corner happened like this first
]
))
(;B[ed];W[ec]
C[USGO2 [-\]: it's not ideal up here for black
USGO2 [-\]: if it happened like this it'd be better for white
USGO2 [-\]: black isn't secure at the top
USGO2 [-\]: but for white on the right it's very nice
Hobbes [3k\]: why not pincering d17?
]
))
(;W[nc]
C[USGO2 [-\]: if white whent this way
];B[pd];W[od];B[ne];W[oe]
C[USGO2 [-\]: this is not a good shape for white
Shavshevet [-\]: s14 now
]
(;B[rg])
(;B[rf]
C[USGO2 [-\]: this is heavy for white
USGO2 [-\]: and the two stones at m16 are light for B
]
)))
(;B[od]
C[USGO2 [-\]: this is why you dont hane
];W[pd]
(;B[qc];W[nd]
C[USGO2 [-\]: captured
USGO2 [-\]: so it's bad for black
])
(;B[nd];W[qc];B[pb];W[qb];B[ob]
C[Koyou [-\]: then w gets corner this way
];W[qe]
C[USGO2 [-\]: this exchange is obviously bad for B since white has the corner and influence than black, and black started with that corner
]
)))
(;W[od];B[qf]
C[Shavshevet [-\]: haven't seen that one
USGO2 [-\]: and it'll go like this
Koyou [-\]: it is a variation
USGO2 [-\]: black wants to protect the corner first
Shavshevet [-\]: (the one in the original)
]
))
(;B[qf];W[pe];B[qe];W[id];B[lf];W[oh]
C[USGO2 [-\]: here is a fight
USGO2 [-\]: white needs to attack the m16 group
]
;B[qi];W[lh]
C[USGO2 [-\]: w could cover
USGO2 [-\]: and black could escape around j13
USGO2 [-\]: it's not that complicated.  you escape, i escape kind of thing
]
))
(;
AE[oc][qd]
AB[pc];B[];W[qe];B[od]
C[USGO2 [-\]: if it were like this
];W[qj];B[ld]
(;W[of]
C[USGO2 [-\]: these moves are normal
USGO2 [-\]: but
])
(;W[pg]
C[USGO2 [-\]: maybe this is better
])
(;W[pe];B[qd];W[of];B[];W[oc];B[ob]
C[USGO2 [-\]: up to this point it's reasonable
])))

