(;GM[1]FF[4]SZ[19]AP[SmartGo:2.5.0.0]CA[UTF-8]
GN[2010 Cotsen Open - Round 5 Board 1 - Curtis Tang 7d vs Dae Hyuk Ko 7d]
PW[Curtis Tang]WR[7d]
PB[Dae Hyuk Ko]BR[7d]
EV[2010 Cotsen Open]RO[5 (final)]
DT[2010-09-19]
PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]
KM[7.0]
RE[B+R]
US[Chris Garlock]
RU[NZ]ST[2]
TM[3600.0]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
C[2010 Cotsen Open
Los Angeles, CA 
Round 5, Board 1
W: Curtis Tang 7d
B: Dae Hyuk Ko 7d
Commentary by Jennie Shen 2P
Recorded by Chris Garlock]
;B[pp]
C[Koons [1k\]: ahoy maties, the game begins
Jennie [2p\]: hi
Lynx [2d\]: ooh! =)
Jennie [2p\]: can anyone tell me why decaf makes me sleep? i thought it wakes me up
]
;W[dp];B[qd]
C[ForeverGo [13k\]: I wonder if I can catch anything that they're doing, xD
Lynx [2d\]: Decaf means without caffeine which is the stimulatory part of coffee or tea.  
]
;W[dc];B[oc];W[qn];B[nq]
C[Jennie [2p\]: does it make you sleep?
Victim [4d?\]: what lynx means is decaf doesnt have the stuff that keeps u awake
Totti10 [3k\]: hello
josek [8k\]: hey you are quiker than the stream
judicata [8k\]: no - it isn't supposed to
]
;W[rp]
C[Jennie [2p\]: this game, if Dae wins, he wins the tournament
Victim [4d?\]: what about curtis?
Jennie [2p\]: if Curtis wins, tie, then have to look at their SOS
Jennie [2p\]: normal opening
Victim [4d?\]: so if dae is ahead in SOS then he can just throw this game?
nhanh [1d\]: sos? save our soul?
ikami [5d\]: juyong also 1 lose
yttrio [8k\]: strength of schedule, I think
]
;B[qm]
C[Jennie [2p\]: its' the opponents's score
nhanh [1d\]: thnx
Aokame [2k\]: no
solmaz [1d?\]: sum of opponents' scores
Aokame [2k\]: @ytrio
yttrio [8k\]: ah
Jennie [2p\]: yes, juyong 1 loss
erkkierkki [6k\]: ---...---
erkkierkki [6k\]: is sos
Aokame [2k\]: first your victories are taken into account, lets say 4 victories= 4 points, if tie then u look at sos
Javaness [2d\]: R7 is a really annoying joseki
Jennie [2p\]: hehe
Jennie [2p\]: it's popular
Koons [1k\]: annoying is a really annoying adjective :)
Jennie [2p\]: in this case, black has the shimari, he wants that side
ikami [5d\]: if only 5 round it might have a lot of tie
Enceladus [-\]: gocommentary said this went out of popularity
Aokame [2k\]: hane? q-7?
Totti10 [3k\]: q7
rayheart [2k\]: The normal way is q7? 
]
(;W[rm]
C[Jennie [2p\]: real game
Jennie [2p\]: but white can play here only when the ladder works for white
Aokame [2k\]: is this joseki?
]
;B[rn]
C[rayheart [2k\]: O_O isn't that joseki usually inferior?
]
(;W[ro];B[pn]
C[Jennie [2p\]: hmm
Syptryn [4d\]: white should just Q-7?
Jennie [2p\]: this is good for black
]
;W[sn]
C[DexMorgan [7d\]: yeah w is too low and gote
Jennie [2p\]: locally, with this combination, also good for black
]
(;B[ql]
C[Javaness [2d\]: I like how white crawls on the second line
Totti10 [3k\]: r3?
Jennie [2p\]: r3 is big, but too slow to play it now
]
;W[qq]
C[Jennie [2p\]: he is so calm
Jennie [2p\]: black is fast paced
PDRMedia [4k\]: S8
DexMorgan [7d\]: i see
Totti10 [3k\]: where should w play instead of r3?
]
;B[ip]
C[DexMorgan [7d\]: white should prevent a black extension at bottom, if he is not going to R3
Enceladus [-\]: but if black could get r3 in sente, it would be huge
Jennie [2p\]: it's kind of painful, i think white's joseki is not good, that's the problem
Koons [1k\]: curtis is going to be on the difficult side of the next fight i suspect
Totti10 [3k\]: ah
Jennie [2p\]: hane at S7 is not a good choice for white
]
;W[jc]
C[elementc [2d?\]: Just how bad is it?
];B[fq]
C[Elendar [1d\]: why white didnt play Q7 instead of S5 O.o
];W[cn]
C[Jennie [2p\]: i would like to choose black for this situation
];B[df]
C[Koons [1k\]: kageyama is dead... jennie still kicking
Jennie [2p\]: goseigen approach
Totti10 [3k\]: not bad for w i think
]
(;W[ce];B[cf];W[de];B[ef];W[ee];B[ff]
C[Jennie [2p\]: normal shape
Jennie [2p\]: but i don't quite like white
Jennie [2p\]: cause black wants influence
PDRMedia [4k\]: In that scenario, White can play C10 instead of E15
Aokame [2k\]: w q-16?
Enceladus [-\]: black getting too strong in the middle
Totti10 [3k\]: b has a lot of influence
]
(;W[ck]
C[Jennie [2p\]: white must take side 
];B[fe]
C[rayheart [2k\]: f17
Jennie [2p\]: but this turn is still powerful
rayheart [2k\]: is normal 
Jennie [2p\]: two josekis, i think white chose them wrong
]
;W[gc]
C[rayheart [2k\]: white or black?
judicata [8k\]: just setting up the comeback
]
(;B[dr]
C[Aokame [2k\]: f-17 for b is it bad style?
Koons [1k\]: d2 feels wrong direction
Enceladus [-\]: d2 huge
hebosai [6k\]: r10 white
Jennie [2p\]: he doesn't want to build the center, but want to take cash
nhanh [1d\]: what other direction is there?
Jennie [2p\]: if white C3, black will F5 
mooooo [6k\]: b doesnt have much use of d14 group
iamanovice [5k?\]: Its very thick
iamanovice [5k?\]: maybe he can try to use the center?
Jennie [2p\]: D14 is not a weak group, in this case, it can be influence
Enceladus [-\]: maybe f5 was better anyway?
Nightwave [1d\]: F5 instead of D2? for b better?
Aokame [2k\]: can l-3 invasion live?
Jennie [2p\]: thsi way, white wont' reply in the corner now
Tahta [2k\]: How about j 10 to make a moyo
lance123 [8k\]: isnt d 2 a bit small?
rayheart [2k\]: D2 was too big for white 
]
(;W[kn]
C[grooviest [8k\]: woah
Javaness [2d\]: second line moves are big
grmaster [3k\]: I don't like d2 too
]
;B[kp]
C[Hayek [2k?\]: ?
lance123 [8k\]: i rather r 12 than d 2
Jennie [2p\]: this is not deep enough, black is happy to play L4
Jennie [2p\]: and L7 is still floating
grmaster [3k\]: looks like B doesn't know what to do so he just played d2
Hayek [2k?\]: is this real game?
Aokame [2k\]: how to answer w l-5?
Jennie [2p\]: i think this way white didn't get enough
iamanovice [5k?\]: oh
iamanovice [5k?\]: ty 
]
;W[qf]
C[Polarift [15k?\]: (helpful to have one window this explanatiopn, and the actualy game alongside this)
Javaness [2d\]: what if black eats L6?
terrynogo [6k\]: agree
]
;B[qh]LB[qf:A][kn:B]
C[Koons [1k\]: i like jennie's variations better here for w :)
lance123 [8k\]: woudlnt k8 be good here?
lance123 [8k\]: k8 for black
Totti10 [3k\]: this looks great for b
grmaster [3k\]: looks like W is abit too soft in this game
Jennie [2p\]: i think this is a little hard for white
Jennie [2p\]: two weakness
]
;W[of]
C[Hayek [2k?\]: is this the final game?
];B[oh]
C[Jennie [2p\]: yes
]
(;W[mc];B[md]
C[Jennie [2p\]: obvious move
Jennie [2p\]: cut for sure
PDRMedia [4k\]: Oh dear, why the invasion on R14 in the first place?
Victim [4d?\]: so many 2 space jumps along top side
]
;W[ld];B[nd]
(;W[mf]
C[Victim [4d?\]: e14 is hard to attack
];B[le]
C[Jennie [2p\]: this gets really hard for white
];W[lc]
C[Jennie [2p\]: white group is too heavy
];B[ng]
C[Jennie [2p\]: peep then connect at N15
Javaness [2d\]: how annoying for white
Totti10 [3k\]: w is tough
LovelyRita [7k?\]: w can go n15?
Jennie [2p\]: :) how annoying 
ndkrempel [5d?\]: if white O14, can black L13?
rayheart [2k\]: 1r14 lookked like bad for white o.o
]
;W[nf]
C[sesbes [1k?\]: F15 group is helping attack from a distance?
Jennie [2p\]: nobi L15 is another choice for black
losambo [3d\]: why w played r14 instead of r15?
rayheart [2k\]: This match is almost decided in black favour
WoolyMaCha [4k\]:  ed, Jennie is commenting on this Cotsen Tourny game, watch n learn
Jennie [2p\]: i like r15 better
Academic [5k\]: could u consider letting n14 run to the top, and gain centre?
losambo [3d\]: so r14 loosing move?
maciek [2d\]: hi, how nice u commenting  again Jennie!
edward66k [16k?\]: i dont understand you gies
Jennie [2p\]: if you get the center nicely, that's a good idea, but you might not get the center nicely, i mean still holes white can jump in
Jennie [2p\]: it's too early to say white is losing
Jennie [2p\]: but black is in a good situation
losambo [3d\]: ok
Javaness [2d\]: L6 looks so sad
]
(;B[me];W[rh]
C[losambo [3d\]: yes
]
(;B[re]
C[WotanOdin [-\]: when stones couls have faces xD
Jennie [2p\]: black is worried about the corner
Syptryn [4d\]: this looks painful for white
Jennie [2p\]: but 
]
(;W[mg]
C[losambo [3d\]: l6 and r14....
];B[mh];W[qi];B[qg]
C[Jennie [2p\]: here we go
];W[rg]
C[Javaness [2d\]: white is just putting stones on the second line
Jennie [2p\]: now can black cut?
iamanovice [5k?\]: yeah
Hayek [2k?\]: no
grooviest [8k\]: double atari
]
(;B[pi]
C[Jennie [2p\]: now only move
];W[rf];B[qj];W[lh];B[li]
C[Javaness [2d\]: bigger meal
Jennie [2p\]: this is really bad for white
Jennie [2p\]: the L7 stone is dying naturally
Jennie [2p\]: L6 
Prophet19 [8k\]: can it live at all?
]
;W[mi];B[nh];W[kg];B[ki]
C[PDRMedia [4k\]: It seems like a textbook example on how to attack reckless invasions
Totti10 [3k\]: l6 is lonely
]
;W[ig]
(;B[je]
C[cloudo [3k\]: f15 getting weaker
Koons [1k\]: amazinng the diff btwn w r14 and r15
Hayek [2k?\]: j11?
]
;W[hi]
C[Jennie [2p\]: another way, hard to say, it's also good to keep white weak
]
(;B[fc];W[gd]
C[Jennie [2p\]: javaness's dream
Javaness [2d\]: ...
Jennie [2p\]: white get's little chance to annoy the wall
Syptryn [4d\]: woa
Syptryn [4d\]: is this trade okay for white?
Syptryn [4d\]: it looks pretty damaging
Jennie [2p\]: white is counter attacking
PDRMedia [4k\]: It's basically an all-in
Jennie [2p\]: black's attack was a little loose here
]
;B[fd];W[hf]LB[id:A]
C[ikami [5d\]: c17 ?
Jennie [2p\]: now white can breath
Syptryn [4d\]: corner has life and death problems?
PDRMedia [4k\]: What is the correct play in the corner?
Jennie [2p\]: yea, aji, but won't die
Jennie [2p\]: still a thing locally
Jennie [2p\]: to cut
Jennie [2p\]: at A
]
;B[be];W[bd];B[bg];W[ae]
C[Syptryn [4d\]: I don't like blacks moves
Jennie [2p\]: it turned around, white has to deal with that wall
Syptryn [4d\]: he removed aji?
]
;B[he]
C[Jennie [2p\]: hmm
Syptryn [4d\]: ajiKashi?
ikami [5d\]: k14 sente
Syptryn [4d\]: is black planning to J-16?
Javaness [2d\]: black likes eating stones
Syptryn [4d\]: after white G-15?
]
(;W[ge]
(;B[ic]
C[Jennie [2p\]: really here
Syptryn [4d\]: woa
Syptryn [4d\]: is this better than j-16?
]
;W[id]
C[njs [4k\]: *_*
];B[jd]
C[Jennie [2p\]: not really
Syptryn [4d\]: seems white live like this
Syptryn [4d\]: and the cut become meaningless
Jennie [2p\]: but black shouldn't let his wall suffer
Jennie [2p\]: that's not good strategy
Jennie [2p\]: now white just J18
Jennie [2p\]: what's so impressive there?
Javaness [2d\]: how annoying
Jennie [2p\]: or G14
Jennie [2p\]: black doesn't want to eat that baby meal
]
;W[ib];B[kc]
C[Jennie [2p\]: why is black eating baby meal?
njs [4k\]: so little meal
]
;W[jb]
C[kostuek [-\]: hungry
];B[gf]
C[Jennie [2p\]: then he should eat a big meal
njs [4k\]:  and baby
Jennie [2p\]: wait, black didn't eat anything
]
;W[ob]
C[Jennie [2p\]: now white has a chance
Hayek [2k?\]: what's going on?
fivekiller [3k\]: jennie is very funny
Jennie [2p\]: ^.^
]
;B[pb]
C[jbrucks [2k\]: i like eating things for cash :)
Jennie [2p\]: don't get a gote there
Jennie [2p\]: get sente and eat that wall
Syptryn [4d\]: white didn't let him either :)
jbrucks [2k\]: b's wall at e14 seems in trouble
WotanOdin [-\]: would you still prever b?
Jennie [2p\]: yea, bad strategy earlier
]
;W[jj]
C[Javaness [2d\]: if white eats D14 he should get a medal
Jennie [2p\]: preparing :) to attack the left
Jennie [2p\]: yes, i think so
fivekiller [3k\]: ohh
fivekiller [3k\]:  ic
jbrucks [2k\]: he doesnt need to eat it for it to be a liability for black
]
;B[kk]
C[Polarift [15k?\]: at this point doe B have to sacrifice L11 to save his wall?
Polarift [15k?\]: does*
Jennie [2p\]: he can't
Jennie [2p\]: he has to fight
Jennie [2p\]: no choice
kostuek [-\]: b says: my wall immortal
Jennie [2p\]: the situation is not bad for white now
Jennie [2p\]: C12 now
]
;W[in]
C[jbrucks [2k\]: he didnt listen
Jennie [2p\]: how come he just leave it :)
Schmalls [4k\]: j6 gote?
kostuek [-\]: w says: agree
]
;B[jk]
C[Syptryn [4d\]: shouldan't white pressure wall?
jbrucks [2k\]: there he goes
Koons [1k\]: yay
]
(;W[ch]
C[Jennie [2p\]: notice white is not connected 
];B[dh];W[ci]
C[Jennie [2p\]: it's pretty good to get B14 in sente for white, then no aji in the corner
kowalli [6k\]: seems black relax after good start
Jennie [2p\]: yes
]
;B[fi]
C[Jennie [2p\]: hane J9
hahaha [3d?\]: now its all up to can he live or not..
maciek [2d\]: he forgot Jennie;s yesterday sentence "get more and make sure you are really rich"
Jennie [2p\]: :)
kostuek [-\]: i like ko
Hayek [2k?\]: hey, what about w k14 instead of j15
]
(;W[gg]
C[Jennie [2p\]: black can live, but that's not enough
Jennie [2p\]: if white is safe everywhere, white is leading for territory
hahaha [3d?\]: hmm i tought i was still close game and only needed to live but am wrong maybe
Jennie [2p\]: seems a little loose
hahaha [3d?\]: it doesn t change anything same result i i already said chinese and japenese do your only repeating yourself let s just look at the game
grmaster [3k\]: I can't understand how it can be the same if you have 20 prisoners and each prisoner is a point actually
Jennie [2p\]: does white really need two moves to link up?
billbell [1d\]: why J15 now?
grmaster [3k\]: and with chines rules prisoner is not a point as I heard
grmaster [3k\]: how it can be the same
basicpract [-\]: grmaster, your opponent no longer has that 20 points on the board :)
]
;B[dj]
C[Jennie [2p\]: black's investment didn't turn to cash
hahaha [3d?\]: to bad 
josek [8k\]: i guess b messed up at top, he shouldnt lose sente
Jennie [2p\]: yes
sesbes [1k?\]: But does white have  territory?
Jennie [2p\]: count
hahaha [3d?\]: w managed well to turn around game in 30 moves
]
;W[di]
C[maciek [2d\]: white about 40 points
];B[ei]
C[mib: it seemed like black forced white into turning it around, white didn't do anything amazing
grmaster [3k\]: we have to count points with chines rules?
Jennie [2p\]: counting points has nothing to do with rules
Hayek [2k?\]: does k14 connect?
hahaha [3d?\]: yea just 1,2,3....
basicpract [-\]: c3 looks pretty big, once this settles
grmaster [3k\]: what about prisoners? :-)
nhanh [1d\]: hehe
Jennie [2p\]: everyone counts the same, only when the game is finished, different rules count in different ways, but the result is the same
sesbes [1k?\]: is white safe as well? Is black j15 a threat?
nhanh [1d\]: basic you think b will come out in sente?
]
;W[ie]
C[grmaster [3k\]: with japanese rules we have to count prisoners too
terrynogo [6k\]: is n3 playable for white?
maciek [2d\]: eh..i think its even game:-), probably all games are even for me
hahaha [3d?\]: well you can count the prisonners doesnt change anything it still is a minus point 
Syptryn [4d\]: now black has to atack j6 to win?
Schmalls [4k\]: grmaster: the result is always the same except in extreme situation
Schmalls [4k\]: grmaster stones count as point on the board
somosdios [3k\]: why not discuss is another time when a 2p isn't commenting on a game
Jennie [2p\]: j15 to link up
]
;B[dk];W[cj];B[dl];W[cl]
C[Jennie [2p\]: now black needs to eat J6 to win
Jennie [2p\]: weird, suddenly it turned around again
Jennie [2p\]: i just learnt koreans call eyes houses
Koons [1k\]: be simple, g6 please
Syptryn [4d\]: white played two really passive moves
hahaha [3d?\]: grmaster thats ok if you dnt understand i cnt explain in better way
Jennie [2p\]: so you need to have two houses to live :)
ikizukuri [2k\]: G-7 ?
]
;B[dn];W[do];B[dm];W[bo];B[af];W[bf]
C[Syptryn [4d\]: j6 looks kinda dead
Jennie [2p\]: fight the ko now cause black is not weak there anymore
]
;B[pe]
C[basicpract [-\]: grmaster, check you chat screen in the rooms list :P
Syptryn [4d\]: right
]
(;W[ag]
C[Syptryn [4d\]: huh
Polarift [15k?\]: make the threat but he does not follow it?
]
(;B[fo]
C[Jennie [2p\]: hey, that threat seems not big enough
Syptryn [4d\]: looks quite big to me :)
Syptryn [4d\]: so black shouldn't have used that threat?
]
(;W[eh];B[fh]
C[Jennie [2p\]: right
];W[dg]
C[Syptryn [4d\]: maybe balck should have played F-5 directly
Syptryn [4d\]: ?
Jennie [2p\]: why white eat that?
billbell [1d\]: trade?
Rocker [4d\]: jennis kim?
Jennie [2p\]: no  hurry, hurts the outside
]
;B[hh];W[ih];B[gh];W[hg];B[fg]
C[Rocker [4d\]: why this w player has a name curtis?
Jennie [2p\]: see if white can save the two stones or not, that decides the game
Jennie [2p\]: they play 3 games today, the first game is 8am, very tiring
Koons [1k\]: seems ahrd to save j6
]
;W[ik]
C[LovelyRita [7k?\]: relax Rocky
];B[il]
C[Syptryn [4d\]: I just played 3 KGS tourney games :P,
];W[hl]
C[Jennie [2p\]: seems the only way
Jennie [2p\]: white can do a better sequence
Jennie [2p\]: current
]
(;B[hk];W[ij]
C[Rocker [4d\]: hi rita rr  a girl?
Rocker [4d\]: r u
];B[hm]
C[hahaha [3d?\]: ??
]
(;W[kj];B[lk]
C[Jennie [2p\]: real game
hahaha [3d?\]: b won...
Nightwave [1d\]: b has so mucc
Rocker [4d\]: should i go out for dinner or eat  something at home , i cant decide , can someone decide for me?
Nightwave [1d\]: much
]
(;W[gl]
C[cloudo [3k\]: go out
mikan [1d\]: How long has it been since you left your computer, Rocker?
LovelyRita [7k?\]: go out Please
hahaha [3d?\]: yea
Rocker [4d\]: 5 hours?
losambo [3d\]: yes go out
Jennie [2p\]: real game
]
;B[im]
C[Rocker [4d\]: heh
hahaha [3d?\]: hum
hahaha [3d?\]: a bit better than what you showed jennie w played not the best sequence
LovelyRita [7k?\]: shower, put your best shoes,comb your hair and take a walk, fresh air is Good
maciek [2d\]: very hard situation for white i think
]
;W[eq]
C[Rocker [4d\]: ok everyone wants me to go out fordinner , it must be a decision then for reasons
hahaha [3d?\]: just go
hahaha [3d?\]: see you
Julya: r6, e10 somewhat later? g8 as a preperation?
Jennie [2p\]: hmm
LovelyRita [7k?\]: we are trying to learn from this game
Julya: e6*
Koons [1k\]: b + plenty
Rocker [4d\]: ok ciao boys n girls have fun
Prophet19 [8k\]: cya rocker
Schmalls [4k\]: q14 like gut punch
hahaha [3d?\]: Onmyoji likes using scoree estimate  :D
terrynogo [6k\]: i think its even
]
(;B[er]
C[hahaha [3d?\]: well any way am pretty sure this game is for b
Syptryn [4d\]: what;s the purpose of d-3?
Syptryn [4d\]: err e3
Julya: se is sooo bad, probably nver predicted a game correctinly after 100moves
hahaha [3d?\]: yeah totaly :D more like only correct in endgame\\
Chaoswelt [1k\]: s11 must?
gopro [1d?\]: why doesnt b play Q14?
Koons [1k\]: must?
LovelyRita [7k?\]: G9?
Ratiasu [3d\]: q14 only 11 pts or so
ML [3d\]: e2 quite big
]
;W[lj];B[mk]
C[Slask [7k\]: q14 is like 17 points, isn't it!?
konut [1d\]: w trying to find a way to threaten to cut off f11 ?  
Jennie [2p\]: oh, he doesn't like my var
cloudo [3k\]: why n9?
gopro [1d?\]: well anyway Q14 and G10 still mia
Jennie [2p\]: what's the plan for E3 exchange
Jennie [2p\]: if nothing, black lose points with it
]
;W[eo]
C[Jennie [2p\]: F6
Koons [1k\]: thx for commenting jennie.   
Koons [1k\]: night all
Jennie [2p\]: haven't seen it useful yet
Jennie [2p\]: night
hahaha [3d?\]: gnight
]
;B[fn];W[fp];B[gp];W[gq];B[ep];W[fk]
C[ndkrempel [5d?\]: b G10?
hahaha [3d?\]: intresting
]
(;B[gm];W[fp];B[fr];W[gk]
C[Jennie [2p\]: real game
hahaha [3d?\]: real game?
hahaha [3d?\]: ok
Jennie [2p\]: now black E9
Jennie [2p\]: no problem
Polarift [15k?\]: this is a beginner's question, but why not just connect e10?
]
;B[fj];W[pf]
C[Jennie [2p\]: just connect if fine
];B[nb]
C[Jennie [2p\]: black is winning now
nanok [12k?\]: e9 or f10 "takes more space" i think (away from w)
]
;W[or];B[nr];W[pm]
C[Jinni [3k\]: o18 was big
Fredrik123 [8k\]: how to prevent cut if white e7?
Hayek [2k?\]: e7 no cut
Elendar [1d\]: e6?
Slask [7k\]: it gives a threat at g10 for black, which is good yose
Schmalls [4k\]: e6?
Fredrik123 [8k\]: nvm
Jinni [3k\]: e7?
Fredrik123 [8k\]: head not working :)
]
;B[po];W[oq]
C[gopro [1d?\]: you brained your damage
];B[op]
C[Fredrik123 [8k\]: see thats too advanced for me
];W[mj]
C[Fredrik123 [8k\]: :o
Hayek [2k?\]: what was p7 for?
Slask [7k\]: l15 work for white?
]
;B[nj]
C[Jinni [3k\]: c3
];W[cq];B[cr]
C[ML [3d\]: l15 l14
Slask [7k\]: aah
Slask [7k\]: I see, thanks
nanok [12k?\]: ugh
nanok [12k?\]: w resigned
Jennie [2p\]: ok
Jennie [2p\]: thanks
Schmalls [4k\]: thanks jennie!
Jinni [3k\]: thank you
Hayek [2k?\]: thx jennie
Danarth [5k\]: Thanks Jennie
nanok [12k?\]: thank you, jennie!
ML [3d\]: thank you
Polarift [15k?\]: thanks!
maciek [2d\]: Thanks Jennie!
Slask [7k\]: Thank you Jennie
Jennie [2p\]: Dae wins Cotsen
Jennie [2p\]: thanks and bye
cecco [7k\]: thanks
tsi [?\]: thanks
ML [3d\]: bye
globax [3d\]: thank you from france jennie :)
billbell [1d\]: Thank you
LovelyRita [7k?\]: thank you, Jennie
josek [8k\]: i guess w should play in the f5 area to acess center before taking  the ko at b15
minuteman: merci
]
)
(;B[gj]
C[Jennie [2p\]: var
];W[fp];B[fr]
C[maciek [2d\]: d8 in danger?
];W[go];B[ep];W[en];B[em];W[fp];B[hp];W[fm]
;B[gn]
C[hahaha [3d?\]: hum
];W[ej];B[ek];W[fj];B[gm]
C[hahaha [3d?\]: misread?
]))
(;B[gj]
C[Jennie [2p\]: if black just kills
];W[er];B[pf]
C[Jennie [2p\]: who wins
Rocker [4d\]: hahahaaaaaa  relax , heh
maciek [2d\]: black
Ratiasu [3d\]: w looks short, no?
hahaha [3d?\]: sure i am :D
Onmyoji [-\]: hi
hahaha [3d?\]: hmm b still leading for me\\
Onmyoji [-\]: i count b+12
hahaha [3d?\]: at least by 10pts
Jennie [2p\]: black is ahead
]
))
(;W[lj];B[mk];W[gl];B[im]))
(;W[kj]
C[Jennie [2p\]: white can push now
Jennie [2p\]: better sequence
];B[lk]
;W[lj];B[mk]
C[hahaha [3d?\]: i see
];W[gl];B[im]
C[LovelyRita [7k?\]: im your tooth fairy
Jennie [2p\]: but no enough still
Rocker [4d\]: nice
Jennie [2p\]: for white
]
))
(;B[hk]
C[Syptryn [4d\]: and can still win
Syptryn [4d\]: ?
];W[ij]
C[Rocker [4d\]: curtis tang is a male?
Syptryn [4d\]: black lets white though M10?
]
;B[hm];W[jl]
C[Hayek [2k?\]: whoa
];B[gl];W[kj];B[lk]
C[Jennie [2p\]: this doesn't work for white
Victim [4d?\]: hard to imagine a female with the name curtis
]
))
(;W[ik];B[il];W[hl];B[hk]LB[kj:A]
C[Jennie [2p\]: white cannot get the push at A
];W[ij];B[hm];W[jl];B[im]
;W[kj]
(;B[lk];W[lj];B[mk]
C[hahaha [3d?\]: ko threat better.. right.. to keep it
Jennie [2p\]: no
]
)
(;B[lj];W[lk]
C[Elendar [1d\]: w already lost ?
Jennie [2p\]: this doesn't work for black
]
)))
(;B[pf];W[ik]
C[hahaha [3d?\]: b is going to have trouble  in yose if he doesnt play very solide w will win
Jennie [2p\]: 15 points
Jennie [2p\]: the center is bigger for sure
Jennie [2p\]: that's why he can't eat it now
]
))
(;W[ik]
C[Jennie [2p\]: actually, white can do this now
];B[il];W[hl]
C[Jennie [2p\]: in this case
Jennie [2p\]: black cannot fight so hard
];B[be]
;W[ad]
C[Jennie [2p\]: this ko is ok
Rocker [4d\]: jennieeeeee
hahaha [3d?\]: ?
]
))
(;W[ik];B[il]
C[hahaha [3d?\]: japenese rule count prissoners too
];W[hk]
C[basicpract [-\]: gr master, in japanese point for capture is the same as chinese points for opponent not having that stone on the baord :)
Jennie [2p\]: i thought he would eat like this
hahaha [3d?\]: just count don t try to complicate
nanok [12k?\]: chinese rules do too, indirectly
Syptryn [4d\]: doesn't this sequence hurt J6?
Jennie [2p\]: yes, but it also hurts black's group
basicpract [-\]: but if Black dies, does it matter :)
]
))
(;W[ie];B[jf];W[jg];B[if]
C[Jennie [2p\]: here, black can cut
]))
(;B[gf]
C[Jennie [2p\]: i think he would cut
])
(;B[id];W[gf];B[ic];W[ch]
C[Jennie [2p\]: cause the wall is in trouble now
Syptryn [4d\]: yes this is bad
Fredrik123 [8k\]: j14 is something?
]
))
(;W[ge];B[gf]
C[hilarious [1d\]: keshi?
];W[ie];B[hd]
C[Jennie [2p\]: his plan
Hayek [2k?\]: what about c17b invasion instead of b15?
]
;W[id];B[hc]
C[Syptryn [4d\]: white kay this way though?
]))
(;B[hd]
C[Jennie [2p\]: also here, black needs to get sente there
Jennie [2p\]: cannot let white link up
]
;W[hc];B[jh]
C[Koons [1k\]: owww
]
(;W[jg];B[hh]
C[Totti10 [3k\]: hmm
Jennie [2p\]: then here
])
(;W[kf];B[ke];W[if];B[dj]
C[cloudo [3k\]: h12 awesome
hilarious [1d\]: lot of mistakes
Jennie [2p\]: at least black is still attacking
]
)))
(;B[jh];W[jg];B[gi]
C[Jennie [2p\]: this might work
Javaness [2d\]: too mean
Jennie [2p\]: the idea that get white back and build the center
ey [3d\]: B sold aji
Jennie [2p\]: this looks better than the real game
]
)
(;B[jd]
C[Jennie [2p\]: somehow i don't like that jump
Jennie [2p\]: it feels slow
Jennie [2p\]: want to lean
Jennie [2p\]: or this
Jennie [2p\]: also more severe than the jump K15
]
(;W[id];B[ie];W[je];B[jf]
C[Jennie [2p\]: this doesn't work for white
DeadTired [2d\]: according to game, b was aiming at f17?
]
;W[kd]
(;B[kf]
C[Javaness [2d\]: what if white eats C14?
];W[if];B[jg];W[he];B[dj]
C[Jennie [2p\]: over
Jennie [2p\]: no chance to eat my wall
])
(;B[if]
C[Jennie [2p\]: this looks good for black too
];W[kf];B[ke];W[jg];B[hd]))
(;W[kd];B[lf];W[lg]
C[cloudo [3k\]: hehe
];B[jf];W[jg];B[id]
C[Jennie [2p\]: this is more severe
Javaness [2d\]: how annoying
])))
(;B[rf];W[ph];B[pg];W[og];B[pi];W[pf];B[ph];W[nh];B[ni];W[pj];B[ng];W[pd]
C[Jennie [2p\]: it's a var :)
];B[pc];W[nh]
C[iamanovice [5k?\]: Thanks
];B[oi]
C[Totti10 [3k\]: no good
Syptryn [4d\]: woa
iamanovice [5k?\]: gah
DexMorgan [7d\]: :)
]
(;W[mi]
C[Jennie [2p\]: no
iamanovice [5k?\]: no?
Polarift [15k?\]: that turns nasty for b
Jennie [2p\]: black cannot do this
iamanovice [5k?\]: bad ko?
]
)
(;W[lh]
C[DexMorgan [7d\]: what happened to blacks shape
];B[mi];W[li]
C[iamanovice [5k?\]: Im still learning
Jennie [2p\]: just this is good enough for white
Jennie [2p\]: black doesn't like that big dumpling
DexMorgan [7d\]: oh Jennie
]
)))
(;W[qi]
C[Jennie [2p\]: locally if white hane
Jennie [2p\]: what's black's reply?
Syptryn [4d\]: r13 ?
]
;B[qg]
(;W[rf];B[rg]
C[Totti10 [3k\]: oh thought this was actual game sorry
];W[sg];B[ri];W[sh]
;B[pi];W[qj];B[rj]
C[Jennie [2p\]: maybe his plan
Totti10 [3k\]: ?
Syptryn [4d\]: should white r-13?
]
)
(;W[rg];B[rf]
C[Jennie [2p\]: then?
Jennie [2p\]: get one more group?
maciek [2d\]: q12
]
;W[pi];B[ph]
C[Jennie [2p\]: you have to give up one group then
])))
(;B[qi]
C[Jennie [2p\]: nobi, no problem
Javaness [2d\]: You can draw a face on the stones on kgs
profan [7k?\]: nobi?
Jennie [2p\]: draw a squirrel?
WoolyMaCha [4k\]: ^^
Jennie [2p\]: this looks better for me
]
))
(;B[ke]
(;W[me]
C[Totti10 [3k\]: b influence is too much i think
Jennie [2p\]: this cut is ugly
]
(;B[id])
(;B[kg]
C[Jennie [2p\]: this white is ugly
]))
(;W[lg]
C[Jennie [2p\]: white has to come out
];B[id]
C[edward66k [16k?\]: wat are you gies talking about
Jennie [2p\]: then like this
Javaness [2d\]: so mean
]
;W[ic];B[li]
C[Jennie [2p\]: continue to be mean
])))
(;W[le]
C[lance123 [8k\]: is it me or black e 14 group isnt safe yet 
];B[nf]
C[Jennie [2p\]: locally this kills white
]))
(;W[mf];B[ne]
C[terrynogo [6k\]: isnt white playing to reduce black's influence on center
]
;W[nf];B[kd]
C[Hayek [2k?\]: ok thx
Jennie [2p\]: if this, it will be hard for white
Aokame [2k\]: w heavy this way
Jennie [2p\]: also needs to watch out L6
]
)
(;W[nd]
C[Jennie [2p\]: this is safe
];B[nc];W[md];B[mc];W[ld]
C[Jennie [2p\]: but white doesn't want to give black too much cash
Hayek [2k?\]: l6 in danger
]
;B[dm];W[cm];B[dk]
C[Jennie [2p\]: then black attack the center like this
Jennie [2p\]: still hard for white
PDRMedia [4k\]: Pretty much
]
))
(;W[ko]
C[jubjub [3k\]: it was
Jennie [2p\]: he wasn't sure about this
lance123 [8k\]: d2 seem so small becuz alot of big moves here
]
(;B[jn]
C[Jennie [2p\]: attack
Aokame [2k\]: i see
])
(;B[kq];W[io]
C[Aokame [2k\]: ty
Jennie [2p\]: this is too small
Jennie [2p\]: one line, big difference
iamanovice [5k?\]: can we see the actual game?
]
))
(;W[qe]
C[Jennie [2p\]: another thing for white is to invade on this side
Jennie [2p\]: i like this better
]
;B[pe];W[qf];B[rd];W[pf];B[oe]
(;W[pi]
C[Jennie [2p\]: high to focus on the center
Jennie [2p\]: to get out fast
]
)
(;W[qj]
C[Jennie [2p\]: can also be this
])))
(;B[fo]
C[Jennie [2p\]: just jump is one way
Jennie [2p\]: i like this better
Jennie [2p\]: cause black wants to focus in the center
]
))
(;W[gd];B[cl]
C[Jennie [2p\]: this is too slow for white
Jennie [2p\]: black is very happy
]
))
(;W[fd]
C[Jennie [2p\]: just do this
Jennie [2p\]: instead of give black that wall
PDRMedia [4k\]: Decent
Jennie [2p\]: for this situation, it looks better
Totti10 [3k\]: yes
]
))
(;B[ql]
C[PDRMedia [4k\]: The Korean joseki...
Totti10 [3k\]: good for black
]))
(;W[ql];B[pm];W[ro]
C[Jennie [2p\]: in this case, the ladder works for black
];B[rl];W[sn];B[qk]
LB[jd:A]
C[Jennie [2p\]: i don't know why white chose this 
Jennie [2p\]: this result black is happy also with the combination
Jennie [2p\]: if white has a stone at A area, then black cannot play this way
]
)
(;W[pm];B[ql];W[rl]
C[Jennie [2p\]: yes
Jennie [2p\]: this is another choice
Jennie [2p\]: for white
Syptryn [4d\]: this looks like best choice
Syptryn [4d\]: to me
Jennie [2p\]: also has to do with the ladder
Enceladus [-\]: ladder again
PDRMedia [4k\]: Isn't P10 a better shape?
Jennie [2p\]: yes, P10 seems to do more than capture
Enceladus [-\]: kageyama would capture?
]
;B[qo];W[pn];B[ro]
C[Syptryn [4d\]: for white
];W[qk];B[de];W[oj];B[cc]
C[Jennie [2p\]: but black's combination is also pretty good
PDRMedia [4k\]: This looks decent for White
Jennie [2p\]: get back to territory for black
Syptryn [4d\]: P-10 better then just capture?
]
))
(;W[pm]
C[Totti10 [3k\]: r8
Jennie [2p\]: yes, usually hane
Koons [1k\]: thx
];B[ql]
C[Totti10 [3k\]: q8
Koons [1k\]: then what is proper?
];W[pn];B[qq];W[pk]
C[Jennie [2p\]: this is a new version
Aokame [2k\]: wow
Totti10 [3k\]: interesting
]
;B[qj];W[qk]
C[Aokame [2k\]: ic
Koons [1k\]: too late nvm
];B[rk];W[pl]
C[Lynx [2d\]: yes haven't seen this one much
ihatelag [8k\]: i'm guessing this is chinese vs korean
Jennie [2p\]: a question
Jennie [2p\]: up to here, joseki
zphex [4k\]: ok thx
Aokame [2k\]: cut
Jennie [2p\]: tenuki :)
Koons [1k\]: meant for b
Jennie [2p\]: yes
Koons [1k\]: tenuki is best?
Aokame [2k\]: after s-6
]
;B[rn]
C[Jennie [2p\]: if black comes here, what's white's reply
Enceladus [-\]: b seems low, w seems thick
Jennie [2p\]: this is the not the game
Victim [4d?\]: s10 looks simple
Lynx [2d\]: s10?
Enceladus [-\]: w1-0
Jennie [2p\]: black has cash, white has influence
rtrtrertr: s10
Jennie [2p\]: s10 correct
]
(;W[rj]
C[Enceladus [-\]: s10
];B[rl];W[qi];B[ro]
C[Enceladus [-\]: huge flower
Jennie [2p\]: this exchange, white can be happy
]
)
(;W[ro];B[rm]
C[zphex [4k\]: is this all a joseki?
Jennie [2p\]: this is terrible for white
Jennie [2p\]: Q4 at the vital point
Jennie [2p\]: black fixed the cuts also attack
Jennie [2p\]: this is not joseki
]
)))

