(;GM[1]FF[4]SZ[19]AP[SmartGo:2.5.0.0]CA[UTF-8]
GN[2010 Cotsen Open - Round 4 Board 1 - Dae Hyuk Ko 7d vs Juyong Koh 7d]
PW[Dae Hyuk Ko]WR[7d]
PB[Juyong Koh]BR[7d]
EV[2010 Cotsen Open]RO[4]
DT[2010-09-19]
PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]
KM[7.0]
RE[W+ 1.5]
US[Chris Garlock]
RU[NZ]ST[2]
TM[3600.0]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
C[2010 Cotsen Open
Los Angeles, CA 
Round 4, Board 1
W: Dae Hyuk Ko 7d
B: Juyong Ko 7d
Recorded by Chris Garlock

USGO1 [-\]: games about to start
USGO1 [-\]: but first to clear up the parrot confusion
USGO1 [-\]: Chris is giving you a close-up here
USGO1 [-\]: it's a dove
N4KED [2d\]: he could get work at the pirates of the caribbean
USGO1 [-\]: Yeah but the dove is a little soft for true piratude...
USGO1 [-\]: Welcome to our live coverage of Day 2 of the 2010 Cotsen Open in Los Angeles, CA, brought to you by the AGA E-Journal. I’m Chris Garlock, Managing Editor of the American Go E-Journal and your game recorder today. We’re also broadcasting Boards 2,3 & 4.
]
;B[qd]
C[Proffffff [13k?\]: what are you talking about?
USGO1 [-\]: Check out live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US Also: game records (Rounds 1 & 2) and photos from Saturday’s rounds are online at www.usgo.org 
clee [2k\]: you know what time game start here 12 : 20 pm now?
]
;W[dd];B[pq];W[oc]
C[USGO1 [-\]: Juyong Koh is the 2008 Canadian Open champion and hails from BC; he’s leading the Cotsen at this point. Seung Hyun Hong learned go when he was 7 but quit in high school; as an insei in Korea he had to either give up school or go. Majored in accounting and now works in finance in LA.  
]
;B[cp];W[qo]
C[N4KED [2d\]: haha always start late I think
RoundTuit [2k\]: thre's a moral in that tale, somewhere
USGO1 [-\]: sorry, disregard info on Hong (was from last round)
]
;B[pk]
C[RoundTuit [2k\]: so is no longer true?
USGO1 [-\]: This is round 4; there's one more round today
]
;W[qq]
C[N4KED [2d\]: where is our jennie 2p?
];B[qr];W[pp]
C[compendium [?\]: lol
];B[oq]
C[minismurf [-\]: great with info on players, keep it up :)
];W[rq];B[lq]
;W[pe]
C[Proffffff [13k?\]: USGO, is it neded to be registered to see the match live?
]
;B[qe];W[pf];B[qg]
C[N4KED [2d\]: you could be sneaky and go to the ustream site
toulu [9k\]: how do u do that?
N4KED [2d\]: ustream.com
sweety [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
]
;W[jd]
C[N4KED [2d\]: but only 13 viewers so far so you will have to look a bit
LugPaj [3d\]: oh, we can see also the game recorder :)....arent you too close to the players and disturbing them ?
]
;B[cf]
C[USGO1 [-\]: here's the Open section prize breakdown: Cotsen Open Section Prize Info: 1st - $1000; 2nd - $500; 3rd - $250; 4th - $125; 5th - $75; 6th- $50 
]
;W[fd];B[dj]
C[N4KED [2d\]: Who is Costen?
appleseeds [3k\]: Eric Cotsen
N4KED [2d\]: Eric Costen but he is just a go fan or something?
largehc [1k?\]: one does not play go for the sake of monetary rewards.
toulu [9k\]: naked
appleseeds [3k\]: yes
RoundTuit [2k\]: pros do
toulu [9k\]: what should i type in the search bar?
]
;W[ep]
C[largehc [1k?\]: no, they do not.
Tetriste [-\]: 0.0
RoundTuit [2k\]: uh-huh
Tetriste [-\]: h4
LugPaj [3d\]: i expected f4
largehc [1k?\]: you are incorrect, sir
KnucklesX7 [5k\]: Everyone plays go for different reasons, leave it at that.
Concinnity [5k\]: That's an exaggeration. Many people play it for the same reason.
largehc [1k?\]: for the hand of god!
]
;B[gp]
C[Rasmus [14k\]: kami no itte was never the han of god, its the move of god
Tetriste [-\]: :O
RoundTuit [2k\]: bad translations ftw
]
;W[en]
C[Tetriste [-\]: :O
];B[cn];W[cq]
C[largehc [1k?\]: but move of god sounds stupid
];B[bq];W[dq]
C[Concinnity [5k\]: It's like something one might try on a dancefloor.
Tetriste [-\]: f3?
largehc [1k?\]: indeed
N4KED [2d\]: also I think "ladder" is bad translation my guess is it should be staircase
Magnite [9k\]: i thought it was the divine move o.O
CheolYong [10k?\]: i thought the japanese use the same word (手) for the word move & hand?
Rasmus [14k\]: if you cal a move in go a hand, feel free to call it the hand of god
]
;B[br]
C[Tetriste [-\]: was eithers
RoundTuit [2k\]: yes, CheolYong
Rasmus [14k\]: not te, itte
LugPaj [3d\]: w j4?
Rasmus [14k\]: itte man move
Rasmus [14k\]: *means
CheolYong [10k?\]: itte is just the honorary form of te, right? like go and igo, or not?
Concinnity [5k\]: It doesn't actually have anything to do with this game either way. So how about discussing it elsewhere?
Rasmus [14k\]: nope
Onmyoji [-\]: it means move of the turtle
RoundTuit [2k\]: no... "one move"
LugPaj [3d\]: or c7?
]
;W[gq]
C[CheolYong [10k?\]: oh... ok ^^
];B[hq]
C[SmartThink [15k\]: do these guys have like infinite time
Concinnity [5k\]: They have one hour each I think
largehc [1k?\]: this is not the real game
N4KED [2d\]: only 1 hour each
SmartThink [15k\]: it's locked at 60 min
N4KED [2d\]: seems way too fast
Concinnity [5k\]: They are not playing on the internet, this is a relay.
ennuistic [2d\]: oh... this game is pretty nuts.
SmartThink [15k\]: they play ultraa slow 
SmartThink [15k\]: but of course they would
willdcraze [6k\]: this is fast
]
;W[hp]
C[SmartThink [15k\]: ..
N4KED [2d\]: no europe games last 5 hours
N4KED [2d\]: japanese games can go 12 hours
willdcraze [6k\]: pro's ususually take over three times as much per move for these early mid-game moves
Concinnity [5k\]: This is actually one of the fastest off-line tournament games I've ever seen.
nanok [12k?\]: 2 days even (16h or so)
N4KED [2d\]: and in the old days they would get like 30 hours each
RoundTuit [2k\]: Japanese ama tournament games are usually 45 minutes sudden death
]
;B[fq];W[gr];B[fp]
C[Proffffff [13k?\]: the view is a little bit far from the game...
];W[fr]
C[SmartThink [15k\]: is it possible to save a game you're spectating
Tetriste [-\]: j3?
nanok [12k?\]: yes, it is
ennuistic [2d\]: chunga.
gooooo [9k\]: Options -> Save game to disk
N4KED [2d\]: at least there is a broadcast
RoundTuit [2k\]: ..but only with the client
SmartThink [15k\]: oh
SmartThink [15k\]: the client
SmartThink [15k\]: i'll download that
N4KED [2d\]: The US congress had very little webcasting
N4KED [2d\]: on ustream I mean
nanok [12k?\]: if you can run the web applet, you can run the client, it's nearly the same
Proffffff [13k?\]: yeah I apreciate the fact, I only remarc that is difficult to see the positions of the  stones
]
;B[eq]
C[N4KED [2d\]: well they dont have a 1000 dollar camera like harry
nanok [12k?\]: we need hd streams and bigger stones :)
Proffffff [13k?\]: lol
N4KED [2d\]: harry has a hi def camera I think
N4KED [2d\]: and tuscon chris should upgrade to parrots!
]
;W[er];B[dp]
C[nanok [12k?\]: d2?
];W[iq]
C[josek [8k\]: bad result for w seems to me
Narayana [4k\]: this doesn't sew favorable for w
]
;B[ho];W[ip]
C[N4KED [2d\]: I dont like r3 group...looks funny
minismurf [-\]: very bad result for w, I agree
]
;B[jr]
C[josek [8k\]: maybe h4 was overplay
Tetriste [-\]: is this sente?
BobWhoosta [3k\]: If he wants two eyes, then yes.
]
;W[ir]
C[nanok [12k?\]: k2? seems like loads of sente :)
maciek [2d\]: anyone have link to results?
N4KED [2d\]: usgo.com or something like that
nanok [12k?\]: i think w lives, but small (?)
Concinnity [5k\]: h4 didn't work out
ibd [5k?\]: e5
]
;B[cc]
C[N4KED [2d\]: it has photos and game records...not sure about results
]
;W[cd];B[bd];W[dc];B[bb];W[cb];B[bc];W[go];B[eo];W[fo];B[ep];W[gm]
C[minismurf [-\]: g6 was big thou, I would probably have defended there as black
bogdanov [8k\]: wonder why  the bearded guy in the live stream have a plastic dove on his shoulder...
]
;B[pc]
C[kostuek [-\]: not plastic just dead
N4KED [2d\]: all the tuscon guys do it....since the congress
Narayana [4k\]: psychological warfare
]
;W[ob]
C[Rasmus [14k\]: it twitters the results
Proffffff [13k?\]: who know is dead?
Concinnity [5k\]: Who knows?
Monsolith2 [12k?\]: everybody knows
bogdanov [8k\]: n4ked: why is that?
N4KED [2d\]: not sure...you can ask him......he is on the igo local website
N4KED [2d\]: or at least I think I saw him there
]
;B[ef]
C[bogdanov [8k\]: ok, thanks, maybe i will :)
N4KED [2d\]: I think he is 2 dan
]
;W[pg];B[qh];W[gf]
C[USGO1 [-\]: Welcome to our live coverage of Day 2 of the 2010 Cotsen Open in Los Angeles, CA, brought to you by the AGA E-Journal. I’m Chris Garlock, Managing Editor of the American Go E-Journal and your game recorder today. We’re also broadcasting Boards 2,3 & 4.
USGO1 [-\]: Check out live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US Also: game records (Rounds 1 & 2) and photos from Saturday’s rounds are online at www.usgo.org 
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong Koh is the 2008 Canadian Open champion and hails from British Columbia; he’s leading the Cotsen at this point.
Monsolith2 [12k?\]: flood
nanok [12k?\]: that's actually the only useful info in the past 15min or so :)
nanok [12k?\]: thank you, chris
nanok [12k?\]: no loss for him yet, is that right?
Concinnity [5k\]: What's black's best way to reduce the top? Something like l16?
dualraum [-\]: Thanks, Chris, do you have informations on Dae Hyuk Ko, too?
jeffywhite [1d\]: With a last name like Ko, you have to play Go
guestxxaa: l16 is deep i think
Monsolith2 [12k?\]: or you can go to Koh Lanta
BobWhoosta [3k\]: Will white need a move around J6 soon?
kostuek [-\]: go seigen best name to play this
Concinnity [5k\]: Only that's not the name he was born with.
]
;B[jg]
C[kenshin9 [4k\]: thats wat it was translated to
USGO1 [-\]: Koh's undefeated thus far
BobWhoosta [3k\]: Ko vs. Koh.
]
;W[kf]
C[BobWhoosta [3k\]: Nice match up.
chayashida [?\]: Both players are undefeated in the tournament so far.
USGO1 [-\]: All of his games have gone long and usually close
USGO1 [-\]: Thanks Chris H (he's the Cotsen TD)
oasthouse [?\]: k13 a little soft?
]
;B[jf]
C[BobWhoosta [3k\]: K13 light.
BobWhoosta [3k\]: Black doesn't want to go closer here.
USGO1 [-\]: Chris: will you be posting round-by-round results online anywhere?
]
;W[je];B[kg];W[lf]
C[BobWhoosta [3k\]: M13 sente?
BobWhoosta [3k\]: Next question: Would black want that exchange?
nanok [12k?\]: w building a rather huge moyo, it seems?
BobWhoosta [3k\]: Top is territory.
Nightwave [1d\]: b has his moyo too
N4KED [2d\]: white is way behind I think
BobWhoosta [3k\]: Black's development more quick, white more solid, but I agree with N4.
Nightwave [1d\]: for me it looks close like always xD
N4KED [2d\]: cant see how he can continure
BobWhoosta [3k\]: His left can be reduced, but his right and bottom left territory are nice as well...
Prophet19 [8k\]: i think if black blocks off g14 and kills f5  my god
nanok [12k?\]: p16  maybe (or am i naive)
BobWhoosta [3k\]: It would die.
N4KED [2d\]: s9 reasonbable?
BobWhoosta [3k\]: Also, black might lose the corner.
Nightwave [1d\]: i would plar r7
nanok [12k?\]: probably. but m13 still looks too passive
Nightwave [1d\]: play*
]
;B[lg]
C[BobWhoosta [3k\]: White nobi here?
];W[mg]
C[nanok [12k?\]: nightwave: r7 looks good, taking sente
play4fun [1d?\]: Foe me, the game looks rather close
]
;B[mh];W[nh]
C[play4fun [1d?\]: For*
];B[ie]
C[Feelss [8k\]: i like w 
josek [8k\]: i like b
Monsolith2 [12k?\]: i like smg
mkmolm: i like me
kostuek [-\]: i  like toast
Narayana [4k\]: I like cheese
mkmolm: i dont like cheesy strats
BobWhoosta [3k\]: I like J16.
killuah [4k\]: i like dope
acksplat [6k?\]: i like ike
mkmolm: nah
]
;W[id]
C[mkmolm: play wolf
jeffywhite [1d\]: g13 for b? it kinda helps his moyo
BobWhoosta [3k\]: I like G13
BobWhoosta [3k\]: It starts preparing J5 for later too.
]
;B[mi]
C[killuah [4k\]: why not 11o for b?
Prophet19 [8k\]: o13 n14 p12 
BobWhoosta [3k\]: Shape isn't strong there.
]
;W[dm]
C[Koukkaaja [3d\]: w has to look out for koh threats
josek [8k\]: b has done a great job reducing and building moyo, so perhaps he can atack w weak groups better
BobWhoosta [3k\]: Double hane is risky, and doesn't gain much if it works.
meuns [1d?\]: BLOOD
]
;B[cm]
C[BobWhoosta [3k\]: Funny Koukkaaja.
josek [8k\]: now its w turn to build 
BobWhoosta [3k\]: All you KGS fighters hate it when the 7d's play because they don't fight as much...
kostuek [-\]: build freedom
meuns [1d?\]: j6 ?
SoulSeeker [2k?\]: j6 slow
meuns [1d?\]: thickness is never slow
jeffywhite [1d\]: sure it is
porcelain [7k\]: does anybody know why is there a pigeon on that guy's shoulder?
]
;W[cl]
C[BobWhoosta [3k\]: He couldn't find his parakeet.
jeffywhite [1d\]: uuuuuuuu
SoulSeeker [2k?\]: reinforce use to be slow
Prophet19 [8k\]: d8 ?
Namastee [2d\]: b9?
jeffywhite [1d\]: c9 
porcelain [7k\]: hahaha
BobWhoosta [3k\]: What does b9 do?
porcelain [7k\]: nice one
Namastee [2d\]: c9 sorry
BobWhoosta [3k\]: Oh, ok./
meuns [1d?\]: just a connection
Namastee [2d\]: ^^
SoulSeeker [2k?\]: d8 for sure
BobWhoosta [3k\]: Naturally I was thinking "That's why this guy gives me 5 stones.  Will I ever understand this game!?!?"
meuns [1d?\]: j6 again
kostuek [-\]: tenuki it
jbrucks [3k\]: d8 feels wierd
BobWhoosta [3k\]: No way tenuki.
]
;B[he]
C[meuns [1d?\]: look
jbrucks [3k\]: c0 better i think
SoulSeeker [2k?\]: wow
jbrucks [3k\]: c9
SoulSeeker [2k?\]: te nuki
BobWhoosta [3k\]: Wow, I guess I was wrong.
Monsolith2 [12k?\]: first step is to admit it
BobWhoosta [3k\]: Black will return to that point when he's done with his sente.
]
;W[hd]
C[BobWhoosta [3k\]: guaranteed.
BobWhoosta [3k\]: Unless I'm wrong.
kostuek [-\]: kind of yose moves at c8 area now
jbrucks [3k\]: nice gaurantee lol
basicpract [-\]: large yose :)
]
;B[ck]
C[jbrucks [3k\]: i gaurantee im right unless im wrong :P
];W[dl];B[bl]
C[kostuek [-\]: yose starts
BobWhoosta [3k\]: My lawyer advises me to add these caveats in just in case...
SoulSeeker [2k?\]: oh nice
SoulSeeker [2k?\]: c9 better
josek [8k\]: not a bad result for w in bottom afterall
BobWhoosta [3k\]: J6 area getting bigger.
jbrucks [3k\]: its gonna be hard for white to make much cash in center
]
;W[ej]
C[SoulSeeker [2k?\]: center are dames
BobWhoosta [3k\]: 7d is pretty awesome, defends J6 area indirectly.
BobWhoosta [3k\]: I would have never thought of that.
]
;B[ei];W[fi];B[eh]
C[SoulSeeker [2k?\]: b playing safe and w very aggressive
BobWhoosta [3k\]: Black got some 5th line points...
]
;W[bk]
C[josek [8k\]: w is shoter?
];B[bj]
C[josek [8k\]: *shorter:
];W[dk];B[cj]
C[SoulSeeker [2k?\]: seems b is very sure of his victory
];W[ii]
C[guestxxaa: is n17 area w's territory already?
SoulSeeker [2k?\]: k10?
SoulSeeker [2k?\]: yes
BobWhoosta [3k\]: Very much his territory guest.
SoulSeeker [2k?\]: i supposse
guestxxaa: thx
debutgow [5k\]: f10 is possible?
kostuek [-\]: do some shape moves
BobWhoosta [3k\]: F10 is possible, but removes aji.
SoulSeeker [2k?\]: do´t think f10 cut would live
BobWhoosta [3k\]: It wouldn't live.
USGO1 [-\]: A new photo collage from this morning has just been published at www.usgo.org
]
;B[fj];W[ek]
C[SoulSeeker [2k?\]: nice
SoulSeeker [2k?\]: let´s see
SoulSeeker [2k?\]: hehehehe
jbrucks [3k\]: that stone itself might not
jbrucks [3k\]: but the damage will last
ikami [5d\]: h11 ?
SoulSeeker [2k?\]: yes, it was a very nasty cut
BobWhoosta [3k\]: I think black will use it as a probe.
dualraum [-\]: anyone got their times?
]
;B[rr]
C[USGO1 [-\]: TIMECHECK
USGO1 [-\]: B 28m
USGO1 [-\]: W 35m
];W[ql]
C[dualraum [-\]: Thank you!
];B[qk];W[rk]
C[debutgow [5k\]: r8?
];B[rj];W[rl]
C[jbrucks [3k\]: r8 has a stone on it...
BobWhoosta [3k\]: I think he was questioning the move itself.
]
;B[qb]
C[BobWhoosta [3k\]: Like "What does R8 do??"
jbrucks [3k\]: hmm
jbrucks [3k\]: for a 5k should be obvious
Monsolith2 [12k?\]: will the game be listed in USGO1 games later ? I need to go :(
]
;W[ki];B[li]
C[kostuek [-\]: yes
debutgow [5k\]: r8 was not good if you says never play unders a stone in the 4e ligne
jbrucks [3k\]: im sorry
jbrucks [3k\]: what?
kostuek [-\]: dont say such things
]
;W[gi];B[od];W[nd];B[pd]
C[dualraum [-\]: I think, that was part French. Can someone translate?
debutgow [5k\]: lol
debutgow [5k\]: sorry 5 mi
debutgow [5k\]: min
BobWhoosta [3k\]: I think I understand what he's saying, but I don't know why he thinks that...
jbrucks [3k\]: anyways, r8 was an extension from the r5 group to make a base since black took s2
jbrucks [3k\]: it was necessary
]
;W[oe]
C[debutgow [5k\]: ok^^
True [1k\]: looks like white is leading
minismurf [-\]: agree
Pieuvrasse [3k\]: b has all corners
]
;B[nc];W[mc];B[dn];W[fm]
C[Kashomon [1k\]: I counted w as being up by maybe about 20 pts
Alife361 [?\]: s2 was not that good. Now w has no weekness at all
]
;B[kj];W[jj]
C[BobWhoosta [3k\]: White did an excellent job developing in the center.
]
;B[kk]
C[jbrucks [3k\]: b ignored the moves in the center 
jbrucks [3k\]: he could have reduced most of it
]
;W[lr]
C[True [1k\]: tesuji time o:
Alife361 [?\]: m2 explains why s2 was not that good  (imho)
]
;B[mr];W[kr];B[kq];W[jq]
C[True [1k\]: s2 was big
];B[op]
C[BobWhoosta [3k\]: If white got S2, m2 was still available, and more severe.
Alife361 [?\]: q6 - p4 strategy was better
]
;W[oo];B[ls]
C[True [1k\]: if q6 white wont p4
True [1k\]: white will s2
Alife361 [?\]: now center nlac stones all useless
]
;W[ri]
C[True [1k\]: s2 worth more than 10 points i believe
Alife361 [?\]: q6 insterad of s2, then p4 (both for black)
Alife361 [?\]: instead*
True [1k\]: q6 - white s2 - b p54?
Alife361 [?\]: s2 removed all white's problems
Alife361 [?\]: yes, True
True [1k\]: w is happy for that
]
;B[qj]
C[True [1k\]: s2 much bigger
True [1k\]: centre easy to reduce
];W[jl]
C[Pieuvrasse [3k\]: k5 
];B[db];W[eb];B[ca]
C[Alife361 [?\]: w has now 13 pnts at the right side
debutgow [5k\]: i think k6 is beter
Alife361 [?\]: s2 gave b-s just 14-15
True [1k\]: d18 is huge
]
;W[qf];B[rf];W[re]
C[kostuek [-\]: oops
];B[rh];W[sf];B[rg];W[pb];B[rd]
C[ataraf [7k\]: s 18?
USGO1 [-\]: Koh just smacked his head
True [1k\]: lol
True [1k\]: uh oh
]
;W[ng];B[ea];W[fb]
C[killuah [4k\]: xD
];B[kl]
C[BobWhoosta [3k\]: What move did he smack his head after?
True [1k\]: S16 i think
BobWhoosta [3k\]: One point sente?
Sampi [1d\]: i think w is ahead
]
;W[pl]
C[True [1k\]: same
];B[jk];W[ik];B[jm];W[il]
C[BobWhoosta [3k\]: The H5 stone was very effectively neutralized by white throughout the game.
True [1k\]: Hehe
golife4TGA [2d\]: about w+ 8,5
True [1k\]: Has juyong lost a game yet?
goavenger [13k\]: black will cath up
]
;B[ko]
C[jbrucks [3k\]: i think they said both players are undefeated 
stephanli: o5?
escada [3k\]: last move is strange?
Aokame [2k\]: he smacked his head? muhuaha
Aokame [2k\]: nice reaction
Aokame [2k\]: i call this pokerface^^
]
;W[mo]
C[Rasmus [14k\]: how do you learn go, and stay ondefeated? thats commitment
]
;B[ks]
C[goavenger [13k\]: yeah
True [1k\]: u can't stay undefeated , can u
jbrucks [3k\]: ondefeated?
goavenger [13k\]: i lost a thousand games at least
Rasmus [14k\]: *un, obviously
BobWhoosta [3k\]: They are undefeated for the tournament.
kostuek [-\]: just be born as 15d, easy
RoundTuit [2k\]: I daren't count how many I've lost...
True [1k\]: 9 dan pros have lost more than 5000 i bet :P
]
;W[cs]
C[Sampi [1d\]: d2 ?
Sampi [1d\]: or that
];B[sq]
C[Pieuvrasse [3k\]: SEsays jido
];W[sp];B[sr]
C[Pieuvrasse [3k\]: jigo
True [1k\]: jigo
True [1k\]: lol
jbrucks [3k\]: now b+3
True [1k\]: SE is silly 
]
;W[ro]
C[BobWhoosta [3k\]: SE knows judo?
True [1k\]: now b+2
True [1k\]: thats without komi
Koukkaaja [3d\]: more judo than go
True [1k\]: I don't think b can catch up
]
;B[fa];W[ga];B[da];W[gc]
C[dualraum [-\]: jigo=black wins in Ing rules, but then SE is very bad at counting areas...
Sampi [1d\]: isnt b1 sente?
jbrucks [3k\]: the komi is off in the rules anways
Sampi [1d\]: or is c2 d2 b1 d1 better?
jbrucks [3k\]: it says 7 when its 7.5
clydesdale [3k\]: b1
]
;B[ol];W[om]
C[BobWhoosta [3k\]: I think C2 is better.
];B[nl]
C[appleseeds [3k\]: w probably won't play d1, so b1 better I think
];W[oj]
;B[ph];W[oh]
C[True [1k\]: ^-^
];B[cr];W[dr]
C[jbrucks [3k\]: 06
jbrucks [3k\]: o6
goavenger [13k\]: yeah
jbrucks [3k\]: maybe o10 first
dualraum [-\]: Ing rules, so komi is 8, with b wins ties (equals the Chinese 7.5)
jbrucks [3k\]: this is aga rules i thought
jbrucks [3k\]: since its an aga tourny
True [1k\]: its new zealand
True [1k\]: lol
dualraum [-\]: "All games will be AGA rated, and will be run under the ING Go Rules."
dualraum [-\]: from http://www.cotsengotournament.com/
jbrucks [3k\]: ah
goavenger [13k\]: i think next time i will join a tournament
goavenger [13k\]: for fun
True [1k\]: =)
iguest [2k\]: jigo
True [1k\]: escaper
goavenger [13k\]: yep
True [1k\]: lol
jeffywhite [1d\]: lol who won?
True [1k\]: Escaepd
True [1k\]: duh
jbrucks [3k\]: usgo1
True [1k\]: now wait for usgo to escape enough to turn this into forfeit :P
RoundTuit [2k\]: not a rated game
Koukkaaja [3d\]: due to escape, kgs admins can declare the winner
goavenger [13k\]: how do you know its just bad connection
Fukurokuji [2k\]: funny se
appleseeds [3k\]: in the video, Chris was messing with the laptop for a minute
sweety [-\]: it seems the wireless dropped for everyone 
goavenger [13k\]: oh
RoundTuit [2k\]: but not all at the same time
]
;B[nj];W[nb];B[pa];W[nm];B[mm];W[mn]
C[MssrBlanc [4k\]: Of course this would be a board 1 game
];B[lm]
C[maminovas [15k\]: Hello
];W[ni];B[nk];W[fg];B[eg]
C[USGO1 [-\]: sorry, wireless dropped out
Fukurokuji [2k\]: j14 
True [1k\]: lol
kairos [-\]: w wins this one.
kairos [-\]: wb usgo1
Alife361 [?\]: j14 is winning imho
Mot [3k\]: j14 doesnt work
jbrucks [3k\]: half credit since it almost works :P
Alife361 [?\]: after f13? why?
Mot [3k\]: snapback
]
;W[if]
C[Mot [3k\]: H14
True [1k\]: Lol
jbrucks [3k\]: h14
True [1k\]: here we go
True [1k\]: even if it doesnt work
Alife361 [?\]: w+R
USGO1 [-\]: both players down to 5m bt
]
;B[hf]
C[jbrucks [3k\]: h14 j13 h13 j12 g13
True [1k\]: H14 - H13 - J13 - G15
killuah [4k\]: ♪♫ here we go~o
USGO1 [-\]: quizzical look from dae hyuk
Mot [3k\]: so H13
jbrucks [3k\]: h13 j13 g15 j14 j12
True [1k\]: Um
jbrucks [3k\]: might be w's aim
jbrucks [3k\]: they have crappy wireless 
True [1k\]: j-13 h-13 j-12 g-13 - f12
clydesdale [3k\]: aw heck
True [1k\]: i think b's in trouble
Mot [3k\]: g13 wrong
Mot [3k\]: f12
]
;W[ig];B[hg];W[ih];B[fh];W[gh];B[gg];W[ge];B[ff];W[hh];B[fg]
C[True [1k\]: aye
];W[sj]
C[True [1k\]: still white got squeeze in sente
];B[io]
C[jbrucks [3k\]: b might win this
jbrucks [3k\]: its close
jhnc [2d?\]: how many points is j5? isn't b1 bigger?
True [1k\]: w won
]
;W[bs]
C[zakatan [5k\]: b has b2 bomber
dualraum [-\]: I don't like area scoring, it's so much work. 
]
;B[ds];W[es];B[is]
C[jbrucks [3k\]: se thinkgs bottom is dead lol
oasthouse [?\]: maybe b ahead 1 point?
True [1k\]: But komi is 7.5
True [1k\]: b needs be at least ahead by 8
N4KED [2d\]: ahhh people never learn
oasthouse [?\]: komi is 8 and w wins jigo :)
zakatan [5k\]: komi is 7
]
;W[hr]
C[True [1k\]: komi is 8, but b wins jigo
True [1k\]: >.>
jbrucks [3k\]: no b wins jigo
oasthouse [?\]: I thought it was Ing rules?
True [1k\]: yep
USGO1 [-\]: Yes, it's Ing rules and komi is 8
dualraum [-\]: 8 and black wins jigo, so it's equal 7.5 (which is normal for area scoring)
oasthouse [?\]: so komi 8 and b wins jigo
True [1k\]: yes
oasthouse [?\]: similar to 7.5 komi :)
oasthouse [?\]: but officially 8, so I can say b ahead by 1 :)
jbrucks [3k\]: yep
N4KED [2d\]: which is simular to 6.5 japanese
]
;B[hm]
C[N4KED [2d\]: haha lol
dualraum [-\]: I'm too lazy, someone else do the counting. -_-
N4KED [2d\]: because chinese counting black loses 1 point by placing a stone on the board thus making komi 7.5
]
;W[hl]
C[Koukkaaja [3d\]: we used to have 2*pi komi, nowadays harder with all these integer komis
]
;B[im]
C[True [1k\]: 2*pi?
Polarift [15k?\]: lol
USGO1 [-\]: timecheck
True [1k\]: woah
USGO1 [-\]: b 1m bt
True [1k\]: intense komi
USGO1 [-\]: w 10m
]
;W[jo]
C[jbrucks [3k\]: i think b's got this game in the bag now
True [1k\]: SE doesn't include komi, right
jbrucks [3k\]: it does
True [1k\]: even for new zealand rules?
jbrucks [3k\]: good question
dualraum [-\]: But SE seriously lacks area counting skills.
True [1k\]: :)
SixTimes7 [4k\]: doesn't SE suck at area scoring?  I seem to recall that
zakatan [5k\]: why does new zealand have rules?
jbrucks [3k\]: i never play nz rules
USGO1 [-\]: b just entered ot; 5x.30
True [1k\]: Obviously theres only one way to settle this
]
;B[qi]
C[True [1k\]: count it by yourself
True [1k\]: lol
jbrucks [3k\]: no
RoundTuit [2k\]: the SE can only count Japanese-style... if that
jbrucks [3k\]: ill wait
True [1k\]: lazy bum
True [1k\]: :(
jbrucks [3k\]: for the players to count
dualraum [-\]: nz are nearest to Ing (which kgs doesn't know), because it allows suicide
]
;W[si];B[sk];W[sl]
C[N4KED [2d\]: does ing still give the aga free junk?
];B[sh];W[sk]
C[True [1k\]: Nope SE doesn't include komi
];B[jn];W[jp];B[gn];W[fn];B[hn]
C[RoundTuit [2k\]: it does
jbrucks [3k\]: i know it does in japanese rules
fatihsulak [?\]: it is like w+1 imo
compendium [?\]: n4
]
;W[oa];B[qa]
C[escada [3k\]: does g8 kill?
Ignatius [1k\]: no
];W[ce];B[be];W[df];B[dg]
;W[de]
C[True [1k\]: I think can't kill, but black can reduce
];B[kh];W[ji]
C[oasthouse [?\]: g8 not anything I think
jbrucks [3k\]: its ko threat
]
;B[fe]
C[Ignatius [1k\]: if b fill m12 k12  maybe
RoundTuit [2k\]: first find a ko...
jbrucks [3k\]: again, ill leave that to the player :P
]
;W[gd];B[np]
C[RoundTuit [2k\]: how very generous of you
];W[no]
C[jbrucks [3k\]: why thank you
RoundTuit [2k\]: you're welcome
];B[mp]
C[clydesdale [3k\]: I have always relied on the kindness of strangers
Alife361 [?\]: e15 is whites sente?
dualraum [-\]: yes
judicata [8k\]: also a ko threat
True [1k\]: Looks like w win
RoundTuit [2k\]: ..so he's saving it for later
USGO1 [-\]: w has 5m bt
Ignatius [1k\]: I say w wins with 3- 4 points
]
;W[hs]
C[True [1k\]: About.
];B[js]
C[judicata [8k\]: just glancing at the board, it looks like white is ahead by a LOT.  But, not so much after counting...
gru [6k?\]: m6
True [1k\]: hehe
Mot [3k\]: what about A2 ?
True [1k\]: but w is ahead still
soulangel [3d\]: w+1
Rasmus [14k\]: who is talking?
N4KED [2d\]: a2 is very small
]
;W[ar];B[bp]
C[Ignatius [1k\]: lol
True [1k\]: lol
Mot [3k\]: lol
];W[cg];B[bf]
C[jbrucks [3k\]: small yet sente
];W[di];B[ch];W[ee];B[bg]
C[judicata [8k\]: hmm
jbrucks [3k\]: hmm
jbrucks [3k\]: couldnt w have just played e15
fatihsulak [?\]: +1 ko threat 
True [1k\]: yea lol
miksas [?\]: se jigo )
jbrucks [3k\]: ahh d12 now a threat
]
;W[lo]
C[jbrucks [3k\]: i see
];B[kp];W[ln];B[kn];W[ok];B[aq];W[ds];B[as]
C[judicata [8k\]: not the biggest ko ever..
];W[mj];B[lj];W[ar]
C[judicata [8k\]: B has about 5 threats just inside the F7 group
josek [8k\]: b was avoiding ko, he might have less threats
]
;B[pm]
C[Ignatius [1k\]: its the question of honor ))
];W[pn];B[as]
C[ten333 [3k\]: B7
Elram [17k\]: k12
USGO1 [-\]: Ko is counting ko threats
]
;W[oi]
C[Koukkaaja [3d\]: ko vs koh threats.. and i'll get me coat
fatihsulak [?\]: this ko will decide the winner imo
J10 [3k\]: white win by 0.5?
]
;B[ar]
C[golife4TGA [2d\]: w  0,5 
judicata [8k\]: do they have to fill dame?
RoundTuit [2k\]: of course
N4KED [2d\]: yes dame are points
jbrucks [3k\]: always fill dame in live play
jbrucks [3k\]: even if they arent points
N4KED [2d\]: that is why a2 is not a ko
USGO1 [-\]: Koh is telling Ko he needs to play in the group at left
USGO1 [-\]: I think
USGO1 [-\]: maybe not
Ignatius [1k\]: t15 
]
;W[pi];B[lh];W[pj];B[se];W[lp];B[jh]
C[USGO1 [-\]: counting now
dualraum [-\]: now w could play inside without losing points
ixibutzi [1d\]: jugo->b wins
ixibutzi [1d\]: *jigo
josek [8k\]: where is this championship happening again?
ixibutzi [1d\]: 184 both
USGO1 [-\]: w by 1.5
jbrucks [3k\]: CA
goavenger [13k\]: close
clydesdale [3k\]: Los Angeles
Polarift [15k?\]: wow
ixibutzi [1d\]: rly? xD thx
sweety [-\]: Thank you USGO1
USGO1 [-\]: thanks KGS
Mot [3k\]: thx USGO
Rasmus [14k\]: thx
Alife361 [?\]: thanks
play4fun [1d?\]: Thanks USGO1
Polarift [15k?\]: thanks
play4fun [1d?\]: great job
dualraum [-\]: Thank you, Chris!
iryumika [5k\]: thx
USGO1 [-\]: Next round coming up; will let us know asap
Eowyn [1k\]: did they count wrong?
USGO1 [-\]: this puts Dae Hyuk Ko in the lead for the championship now
oasthouse [?\]: w + 2.5 not possible?
joshijoshi [1k\]: w+1
ixibutzi [1d\]: i count 2.5 too 
oasthouse [?\]: I mean w+1.5 not poss
oasthouse [?\]: should be +2.5
oasthouse [?\]: ?
oasthouse [?\]: no matter
]
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