(;GM[1]FF[4]SZ[19]AP[SmartGo:2.5.0.0]CA[UTF-8]
GN[2010 Cotsen Open Round 2 Board 3]
PW[Chang, Deuk Je]WR[7d]
PB[Tang, Curtis]BR[7d]
EV[2010 Cotsen Open]RO[2]
DT[2010-09-18]
PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]
KM[7.0]
RE[W+]
US[Nick McNelis]
RU[NZ]ST[2]
TM[3600.0]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
C[2010 Cotsen Open
Round 2, Board 3
September 18, 2010
W: Deuk Je Chang 7d
B: Curtis Tang 7d
Recorded by Nick McNelis

EDITOR'S NOTE: The result of this exciting game was the subject of dispute, due to White's failure to play a dame at the end which would cost him 2 points -- and the game --under Ing rules. See the note at the end of the game for details. 

USGO3 [-\]: This is Round 2, Board 3. I'm Nick McNelis, your broadcaster this afternoon.
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;B[pd];W[dd];B[pq];W[dp];B[fq];W[cn];B[ip];W[qj];B[qg];W[po];B[qm];W[qq]
C[Javaness [2d\]: how come Curtis Tang is 6d?
USGO3 [-\]: I don't know... I just copy what the sheet said.
sweety [-\]: Jennie Shen 2p is going to do Live commentary on board 3! Please join her Demo~!
]
;B[on]
C[CGBSpender [4d?\]: waw
];W[pp];B[oq];W[rp]
C[kenshin9 [4k\]: o4
];B[mp];W[no];B[mm];W[np];B[nq];W[jc];B[oj];W[mc];B[cf]
;W[cd];B[ci];W[ck];B[dq];W[cq];B[cr]
C[USGO3 [-\]: Chang is thinking... He reached for the stones then changed his mind.
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;W[qc]
C[rw8080 [8k\]: is there any live feed?
];B[cp];W[dg];B[cg]
C[USGO3 [-\]: Are you asking about Video feed?
rw8080 [8k\]: yes
];W[di]
;B[df];W[dh]
C[USGO3 [-\]: Board one has a Video feed...
rw8080 [8k\]: but this one has the commentary?
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;B[ch];W[cj]
C[USGO3 [-\]: I don't comment on the moves just what the players do.
rw8080 [8k\]: oh wait no found it sorry
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;B[ee];W[fc];B[ge];W[qd];B[og];W[rn];B[rm];W[fg];B[be];W[bd];B[do];W[hf]
;B[he];W[fd];B[fe];W[jp];B[jq];W[kq];B[kp];W[jo];B[ko]
C[USGO3 [-\]: Curtis Tang has left the table...
];W[lq]
C[USGO3 [-\]: It is now on Tang's time
];B[jr];W[mq];B[lp];W[io];B[km];W[iq]
;B[kr];W[il];B[dn];W[if];B[hc];W[id];B[gc]
C[USGO3 [-\]: Chang put the stone back in the bowl... picked up some more stones and continued to think.
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;W[fb];B[ib];W[gb];B[bj];W[bk];B[ai];W[ae];B[af];W[ad];B[bh];W[nm];B[nn]
C[USGO3 [-\]: Chang sighed...
];W[ml];B[nl];W[nk];B[om];W[ok];B[pk];W[oi]
;B[pj]
C[rw8080 [8k\]: how much time is left in the game?
USGO3 [-\]: about an hour
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;W[qh]
C[Lavv [4d\]: that hurts
];B[pi];W[ph];B[oh];W[rg];B[pg];W[rf];B[qi];W[rh]
;B[jk];W[ik];B[jj];W[mh]
C[blackobama: ...is there like a pro time blitz games?
blackobama: this is kinda boring....
USGO3 [-\]: Curtis Tang sighed...
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;B[mi];W[li];B[ni];W[ij];B[ji];W[hp]
C[blackobama: sigh...
];B[ii];W[bq];B[cm];W[ep];B[bn];W[eq];B[dr];W[er];B[br]
;W[ir];B[qn];W[qo];B[sn];W[ro];B[pr];W[qr];B[qs];W[rs];B[ps];W[rr];B[oc]
;W[bp];B[co];W[ar];B[bs];W[ds];B[bo];W[nd];B[od];W[kg];B[jg];W[jf];B[kh]
;W[lg];B[qe];W[re];B[fn];W[go];B[dj]
C[lelouch777 [1k\]: lol
];W[mo];B[ln];W[ef]
C[USGO3 [-\]: 25 min left on clock.
];B[gg]
(;W[gh];B[ej];W[hg];B[de];W[el];B[dl];W[mr];B[nr];W[gl];B[ek];W[fk];B[em]
;W[fl];B[ei];W[fi];B[eh];W[eg];B[dk];W[lh];B[lj];W[jl];B[kl];W[ri];B[rj]
;W[pb];B[mf];W[nf];B[ng];W[ne];B[oe];W[mg];B[lb];W[mb];B[kb];W[js];B[ms]
;W[ks];B[lr];W[sj];B[rk];W[ob]
C[nanotech [2k\]: w win
];B[hi];W[gf];B[ed];W[ec];B[gn];W[hn];B[eo];W[fo]
;B[jb];W[kc];B[ki];W[lc];B[hm];W[im];B[gm];W[hb];B[ic];W[ie];B[jn];W[jm]
;B[nc];W[nb];B[fp];W[fr];B[es];W[fs];B[of];W[le];B[qf];W[hl];B[fh];W[fm]
;B[en];W[hj];B[gi];W[ha];B[sk];W[si];B[fj];W[so];B[sm];W[pn];B[pm];W[gj]
;B[ma];W[na];B[la];W[ce];B[bf];W[ia];B[ja];W[ig];B[jh];W[gr];B[ff];W[gg]
;B[mn];W[in];B[kn];W[es];B[ap];W[is];B[ls]
C[EpicPhail [3k\]: so otherwise w would have won?
];W[op];B[lo]
C[wolfe [2k\]: (I forget.)
];W[cs];B[aq];W[nh];B[ih]
C[ThiGar [5k\]: ?
];W[hh];B[oo]
(;W[pc];B[gd]
C[wolfe [2k\]: I thought AGA rules had you passing stones for a pass.
];W[hd]
;B[];W[]
TW[aa:ga][oa:sa][ab:eb][qb:sb][ac:dc][rc:sd][jd:md][je:ke][me:mf][se:sh][kf:lf][gk:hk][ho][fp:gq][ip][qp][sp:ss][hq:hs][rq][gs]
TB[ka][pe:pf][ag:ah][bg][bi][fi][oi][aj:ao][cj:cl][kj:kk][mj:ml][nj:nk][qj:ql][bk:bm][lk:lm][ok:ol][pl][rl:sl][dm][nm][cn][bp:bq][cq][kq:mq][ar:as][mr][or:os][ns]
C[Javaness [2d\]: who wins?
Windir [2d\]: what is result?
Windir [2d\]: jigo?
fly [1d\]: USGO3 will tell us
USGO3 [-\]: Black wins...
USGO3 [-\]: ?
USGO3 [-\]: They are still talking.
Javaness [2d\]: i thought white would win
ThiGar [5k\]: Is there a referee around?
Windir [2d\]: so what is official result?
Windir [2d\]: b+?
Elementary [-\]: ? wats the result? 
Koons [1k\]: arm wrestle decides jigo, right?
USGO3 [-\]: Black won
Javaness [2d\]: they use ing rules
Elementary [-\]: by?
ikami [5d\]: is there video ?
Jinni [3k\]: final score?
Javaness [2d\]: i thought white would win then
Javaness [2d\]: komi is 7.5 right?
ThiGar [5k\]: USGO3, could you please explain the details of the decision?
muyi [2k\]: mmm...dont understand, 184 both but b wins?¿
Javaness [2d\]: ing rules you put all the stones on the board
fly [1d\]: KGS does not count well
USGO3 [-\]: We are all still talking...
Javaness [2d\]: whoever has space wins
fountain [1k\]: lol
compendium [?\]: what is there to talk about? 
fountain [1k\]: this is funny
compendium [?\]: lol
USGO3 [-\]: Black had one empty space on the board 
bishini [9k?\]: chinese counting?
Jinni [3k\]: where?
USGO3 [-\]: Ing counting
Javaness [2d\]: ok
ThiGar [5k\]: ok
compendium [?\]: then it should be W+1
Javaness [2d\]: but seems odd to me
USGO3 [-\]: Oh, Tang got two dame in a row the other guy passed...
Zimitaru [20k?\]: how the counting works in this rule set?
fly [1d\]: OMG!
forehand [7k\]: lol
Jinni [3k\]: really?
muyi [2k\]: XD
Javaness [2d\]: oh sad
compendium [?\]: WOW
Javaness [2d\]: didn't he know the rules?
pseudocalm [16k\]: AGA is always chinese rules isnt it?
sweety [-\]: O_O
scienceguy [-\]: strong way to lose game
Lodestone [2k\]: aga is like chinese rules
Lodestone [2k\]: in that aspect
Koons [1k\]: would it have been a draw if he hadn't passed?
fly [1d\]: And Ing is mostly like Chinese
muyi [2k\]: cant belive that someone could win a game by a dame
Javaness [2d\]: no white won without pass i think
compendium [?\]: so b gained 2 points
Javaness [2d\]: because komi is 8 in Ing Rules (7.5)
Jinni [3k\]: that is sad
fly [1d\]: Just goes to show, you oughta learn the rules!
bishini [9k?\]: so it's really important to understand the rule before u play!
forehand [7k\]: is that really the lesson here?
Lodestone [2k\]: not filling dame is a kyu mistake

EDITOR'S NOTE: The result of this exciting game was the subject of dispute, due to White's failure to play a dame at the end which would cost him 2 points -- and the game --under Ing rules. There was a long discussion about this situation among the players, TD Chris Hayashida and Yilun Yang 7P. The TD asked Yang to serve as a referee and Mr Yang ruled that the proper course of action was to score the game as a win for White, who he said had misunderstood the need to play dame under Ing scoring. To adhere to a strict interpretation of the rules would not be in the spirit of the Cotsen, Mr Yang said. 
     The discussion went on so long that the round -- which had already started late for everyone but the Open section, which was awaiting pairing depending on the outcome of this game -- was rescheduled for 8a the following morning so that players could get some rest instead of playing late into the night. ]
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(;W[hd];B[gd];W[];B[pc]
TW[aa:ga][oa:sa][ab:eb][qb:sb][ac:dc][rc:sd][jd:md][je:ke][me:mf][se:sh][kf:lf][gk:hk][ho][fp:gq][ip][qp][sp:ss][hq:hs][rq][gs]
TB[ka][pe:pf][ag:ah][bg][bi][fi][oi][aj:ao][cj:cl][kj:kk][mj:ml][nj:nk][qj:ql][bk:bm][lk:lm][ok:ol][pl][rl:sl][dm][nm][cn][bp:bq][cq][kq:mq][ar:as][mr][or:os][ns]
C[EpicPhail [3k\]: lol
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(;W[fi]))

