(;GM[1]FF[4]SZ[19]AP[SmartGo:2.5.0.0]CA[UTF-8]
GN[2010 Cotsen Open - Round 2 Board 1 - Juyong Koh 7d vs Calvin Sun 7d]
PW[Juyong Koh]WR[7d]
PB[Calvin Sun]BR[7d]
EV[2010 Cotsen Open]RO[2]
DT[2010-09-18]
PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]
KM[8.0]
RE[W+]
US[Chris Garlock]
RU[NZ]ST[2]
TM[3600.0]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
C[2010 Cotsen Open
Board 1, Round 2
September 18, 2010
Los Angeles, CA
W: Juyong Koh 7d
B: Calvin Sun 7d
Recorded by Chris Garlock


kane955 [1k\]: which one is first board?
goprayer [3k\]: the one with the number one
True [1k\]: lol 
True [1k\]: ^-^
maciek [2d\]: hi again!
kane955 [1k\]: ya but they both say board 2
Hellhuman [2d\]: are there any not asians on top boards ... ?
GoShinobi [-\]: video stream ? 
pseudocalm [16k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
ProoMas [8k\]: any livestream available?
ProoMas [8k\]: oh
ProoMas [8k\]: nvm
eurogotv [-\]: ^^
]
;B[dp];W[pp];B[pc];W[cd]
C[USGO1 [-\]: Welcome to our live coverage of the 2010 Cotsen Open in Los Angeles, CA, brought to you by the AGA E-Journal. I’m Chris Garlock, Managing Editor of the American Go E-Journal and your game recorder today. 
]
;B[qn];W[nq]
C[cutter [2k\]: is jennie pro going to do another commentary?
];B[qh];W[ec]
;B[ci]
C[True [1k\]: i hope so
shUdonNome [1k\]: where is this calvin from?
];W[fq]
C[USGO1 [-\]: yes; she'll be reviewing Board3
pseudocalm [16k\]: is this the table visible on the live stream?
eurogotv [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
]
;B[cn]
C[eurogotv [-\]: yes
];W[cg]
C[True [1k\]: hehe i see juyong
];B[jd]
C[dtslife [1k\]: i love this technology
True [1k\]: lol xP
USGO1 [-\]: Thanks to EuroGoTV for hosting our live stream!
eurogotv [-\]: i see Chris Garlock^^
dtslife [1k\]: where are the bbservers
True [1k\]: same lol
dtslife [1k\]: observer*
True [1k\]: wonder what juyong's drinking o-o
egoopus [13k\]: lemonade
USGO1 [-\]: jasmine tea, same as me
]
;W[dr]
C[somosdios [3k\]: long island iced tea
True [1k\]: oo
Jinni [3k\]: drinkin the koolaid
True [1k\]: cool
Chrille [1k\]: water =/
]
;B[bd]
C[FairyTale [4d\]: i like b's opening, feels more flexible
Jinni [3k\]: nice jennies back
Jinni [3k\]: quite
somosdios [3k\]: is this AGA rankings?
]
;W[cc]
C[Jinni [3k\]: yes
egoopus [13k\]: i do not uderstand b16
FairyTale [4d\]: it's a probe
True [1k\]: its a probe
somosdios [3k\]: b16 is a probe
egoopus [13k\]: wats a probe
Jinni [3k\]: a test
somosdios [3k\]: to see how w will respond
AroundOneD [2d\]: s4
Jinni [3k\]: good probe
FairyTale [4d\]: to test w's response; and see how to handle from there; http://senseis.xmp.net/?Probe
lexansoft [3k\]: to check if opponent is not asleep
Thorvald [5k\]: thx sweety
somosdios [3k\]: it creates aji, and then b can decide how to continue
nanok [12k?\]: to see how the opponent "sees" the board, what he would like to have/give up
nanok [12k?\]: in this case, it would seem w wants the corner (?)
prysm [9k\]: it seems that w plays very careful
prysm [9k\]: very solid
Jinni [3k\]: hard to say just yet
egoopus [13k\]: is it me or does blcks frame look pretty good
Jinni [3k\]: only played 8 moved lol
FairyTale [4d\]: s4 looks biggest
Jinni [3k\]: he has potential
Jinni [3k\]: and sente
]
;B[cq];W[hp]
C[eurogotv [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
]
;B[pe]
C[True [1k\]: i like b better
Jinni [3k\]: nice ty
bishini [9k?\]: how come the video feed is delayed by a few seconds?
True [1k\]: looks faster
Jinni [3k\]: same'
nanok [12k?\]: bishini: electrons are lazy. they only go at about the speed of light, at best ;)
True [1k\]: White is
True [1k\]: 3x10&8
True [1k\]: 3x10^8
True [1k\]: around that
ProoMas [8k\]: s6 - o3 exchange has already done it's job, so now u can use that stone lightly if u want
ProoMas [8k\]: and make moves like Q15
eurogotv [-\]: video is not delayed; Chris Garlock guesses wheerre the players will play
ProoMas [8k\]: imo
Jinni [3k\]: s4 is quite large
]
;W[qk]
C[bishini [9k?\]: nice guess tho
ProoMas [8k\]: you don't have to get the most teritory possible, you just have to get enough to win
]
;B[jq];W[iq];B[jo]
C[egoopus [13k\]: is p6 good for be when white r9
ProoMas [8k\]: so leaving aji at Q15 and diving with with s4 wouldn't be so good
ProoMas [8k\]: also
ProoMas [8k\]: it would destroy r3 aji
Jinni [3k\]: he had both options
ProoMas [8k\]: that's all just my opinion
ProoMas [8k\]: ;\]
]
;W[qp]
C[ProoMas [8k\]: see
ProoMas [8k\]: if b had played s4 r3 exchange, white would have sente
Jinni [3k\]: this is big for w
]
;B[ir];W[hr];B[ip];W[hq]
C[ProoMas [8k\]: I still like b
];B[ho];W[go];B[hn]
C[Jinni [3k\]: still very early
];W[gn];B[hm]
C[ProoMas [8k\]: yea, but I like b ;\]
Lynx [2d\]: this game has a very flat shape
AroundOneD [2d\]: q7
ProoMas [8k\]: not saying B will definetely win
ProoMas [8k\]: but if I had to chose b or w
ProoMas [8k\]: I'd take b
egoopus [13k\]: interesting how the small moves make the big picture
ProoMas [8k\]: c8 maybe
]
;W[gm]
C[Foz [9k\]: w must be more aggressive
ProoMas [8k\]: p6 now
];B[gl];W[fl]
;B[fk]
C[Jinni [3k\]: patience :)
AroundOneD [2d\]: not understand w
];W[el]
C[marvellous [4k\]: Hasn't Calvin Sun been on KGS in the past?
AroundOneD [2d\]: b gets q8
]
;B[cl]
C[AroundOneD [2d\]: or p7
];W[pm]
C[eurogotv [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
AroundOneD [2d\]: y, so big
Jinni [3k\]: very
Lynx [2d\]: I wonder where B will play now
ProoMas [8k\]: still has some aji
ProoMas [8k\]: ;\]
FairyTale [4d\]: yes; calvin plays as "kbag"
]
;B[ok]
C[FairyTale [4d\]: and...juyong used to play as "meatlover"
Jinni [3k\]: oh ok ty
ProoMas [8k\]: theres q6 p6 p7 p5 q8 r7 r8 s7 s8 s6  aji
Jinni [3k\]: b wants moyo
]
;W[qc];B[qd]
C[True [1k\]: p17
];W[pb];B[oc]
C[satakieli [1k\]: r17 mistake?
True [1k\]: no
True [1k\]: r17 is probe
Jinni [3k\]: nope
True [1k\]: just like b16
Mutenroshi [-\]: where is andu liu?
Jinni [3k\]: s17
True [1k\]: i like b better though here
Mutenroshi [-\]: andi liu
ProoMas [8k\]: I like Juyong Sun better
True [1k\]: juyong used to be
True [1k\]: bliztsuck
True [1k\]: 9 dan
True [1k\]: on kgs
True [1k\]: o:
]
;W[pj]
C[Lynx [2d\]: B center ominously big
Lynx [2d\]: but very vague
True [1k\]: i think its bit too open
True [1k\]: ye
Lynx [2d\]: B has slight advantage imo
]
;B[oh];W[oj];B[nj];W[nk]
C[nanok [12k?\]: so open it's arguable to what extent it exists yet..
True [1k\]: w did good invasion in last game 
True [1k\]: i think he can do ok
Jinni [3k\]: p6
True [1k\]: why p6?
nanok [12k?\]: surely, but what i mean is the center is mostly yet unclaimed, or so it looks to my triple-digit-k eyes :)
Jinni [3k\]: hmm im not really sure
AroundOneD [2d\]: I think w is leading
True [1k\]: hard to say
Jinni [3k\]: id probably play it to see what happens
Lynx [2d\]: W has more definite points on bottom right
Lynx [2d\]: while B upper right could be bigger
pseudocalm [16k\]: if w fights here to get out, it makes b moyo thicker? 
Lynx [2d\]: well almost definite points ;-)
AroundOneD [2d\]: b can not get many points in ctr
]
;B[nl];W[mk]
C[ProoMas [8k\]: ?????
Lynx [2d\]: ah 
Lynx [2d\]: q8 ?
];B[pl]
C[Lynx [2d\]: yay
Lynx [2d\]: B is fighting back hard
];W[ql]
C[Lynx [2d\]: very good spirit
];B[ml]
C[nanok [12k?\]: if w tenuki, ladder would work for him, right?
AroundOneD [2d\]: m9
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong takes a sip of tea...
USGO1 [-\]: (but then EuroGoTV viewers already knew that)
AroundOneD [2d\]: thx
]
;W[ni]
C[Lynx [2d\]: m9 o11 m8 n6 m7 o5 ?
];B[mj];W[lk]
C[Jinni [3k\]: ambitious
nanok [12k?\]: usgo1: you don't worry about that, i think it rocks that you tell us the little details ;)
evanj [2d\]: what's with the panoramic view?!
Lynx [2d\]: nm =)
]
;B[ll]
C[AroundOneD [2d\]: o11 is a helper
];W[kk];B[mi]
C[Lynx [2d\]: B is starting to feel happy imo
];W[kl];B[ln]
C[shindon [-\]: go calvin sun
nanok [12k?\]: w seems a bit greedy here?
AroundOneD [2d\]: n12
Jinni [3k\]: i dont think so
True [1k\]: W must have some sort of plan
True [1k\]: i beleive
Jinni [3k\]: true
pseudocalm [16k\]: plan 'don't get funnelled into that wall'
]
;W[km]
C[True [1k\]: ^-^
nanok [12k?\]: :)
AroundOneD [2d\]: after n12, w is easy to run away
True [1k\]: Go Juyong!~
Lynx [2d\]: W may have plan but he does not seem to have the initiative to make it happen atm
True [1k\]: or does he?
True [1k\]: dundundundundun
ProoMas [8k\]: n5 connects
evanj [2d\]: no, Koh Juyong
ProoMas [8k\]: :P
AroundOneD [2d\]: n5
True [1k\]: n5 peeps are painful
Lynx [2d\]: n5 only way to smoothly connect no?
evanj [2d\]: n6 connects too
evanj [2d\]: i think
ProoMas [8k\]: hmmm
ProoMas [8k\]: cut at m5 thern
evanj [2d\]: b has n4 to capture m5 cutting stone, that doesn't work
evanj [2d\]: but the l4 peep might complicate things otherwise
AroundOneD [2d\]: n5 is the best at local
Lynx [2d\]: B could try a weird tesuji to gain sente
wolfe [2k\]: n6 does not quite connect due to L2 peep later.
ProoMas [8k\]: oh
evanj [2d\]: no, l5 doesn't help
ProoMas [8k\]: yea true
Lynx [2d\]: but seems very risk
evanj [2d\]: n6 works
Lynx [2d\]: n4 style move
nanok [12k?\]: k11?
evanj [2d\]: l2 doesn't help either
ProoMas [8k\]: I stil like N5 more
ProoMas [8k\]: :P
evanj [2d\]: b will still capture cutting stones after n6 i think
True [1k\]: l2 is bad peep o-o
evanj [2d\]: i'm not saying it's better than n5, just that it works :D
]
;B[nn]
C[Lynx [2d\]: clever
Jinni [3k\]: if b gets o12 i think its dead
Lynx [2d\]: what is?
Jinni [3k\]: w center
AroundOneD [2d\]: n12 first
Lynx [2d\]: not realy Jinni
Jinni [3k\]: we'll see
Lynx [2d\]: o12 k11  very hard to kill and many other moves
AroundOneD [2d\]: find a chance to get q6
Jinni [3k\]: id say 70% chance
Lynx [2d\]: if B gets sente he would play something likek11 if he wanted to attack W
eurogotv [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
]
;W[hl]
C[Jinni [3k\]: is this sente?
Jinni [3k\]: no
Lynx [2d\]: ah it's a bad move
Lynx [2d\]: ;-)
]
;B[np];W[op]
C[Jinni [3k\]: ponnuki is big
AroundOneD [2d\]: o4 is for connection
Lynx [2d\]: yes b happy and even preserved aji at Q6
]
;B[gk]
C[Jinni [3k\]: n12?
];W[hk]
C[Jinni [3k\]: well looks like im in the wrong direction ill just watch
]
;B[mq]
C[Uberdude [3d?\]: h10 ,ucho grande
agugglez [3k\]: who is juyong koh?
]
;W[ek];B[gi]
C[bishini [9k?\]: 2008 Canadian Open Champion
];W[ii];B[im]
C[Lynx [2d\]: l11 ?
bishini [9k?\]: he is from BC
];W[hj]
C[Lynx [2d\]: probably not ... =)
];B[ei]
C[nanok [12k?\]: can't help wonder: is one's mind wired differently if one is asian/of asian origin? :)
]
;W[ck]
C[Randomgu1 [6k\]: Nope.
];B[bk];W[bl]
C[Uberdude [3d?\]: yes
Randomgu1 [6k\]: ?
ttat [10k\]: proof: starcraft
Randomgu1 [6k\]: lol
ProoMas [8k\]: =)
nanok [12k?\]: i can understand asians from... well, asia, being much stornger, environment, etc. but there are so many in north america too
Lynx [2d\]: I would say so.  A lot of Asians seem to be able to speak Chinese/Korean/and so on, and it doesn't make any sense to me!
Randomgu1 [6k\]: xD
True [1k\]: crosscut ftw
ProoMas [8k\]: korean isn't that hard
nanok [12k?\]: lynx: that settles it, than :)
Randomgu1 [6k\]: I've also heard alot of Americans can speak English, it's amazing really.
AroundOneD [2d\]: b7
terrymac [5k\]: amazing because it is so rare?
ProoMas [8k\]: what about C10 first?
ProoMas [8k\]: it seems to work
True [1k\]: its not rare
True [1k\]: just fun
True [1k\]: c10 - c7
True [1k\]: w can still cut
nanok [12k?\]: d9?
ProoMas [8k\]: yes
ProoMas [8k\]: d9
Lynx [2d\]: W is not worried about his group in center dying
Prophet19 [8k\]: are these brodcasted?
ProoMas [8k\]: and
ProoMas [8k\]: uhh
ProoMas [8k\]: ok
Lynx [2d\]: so he is happy to take profit from B group in left corner
ProoMas [8k\]: w is dieing everywhere
ProoMas [8k\]: =D
True [1k\]: not rly
AroundOneD [2d\]: d9 bad
Timk [4k\]: what about d8 first?
ProoMas [8k\]: bottom left W group not alive yet either
nanok [12k?\]: around1d: care to give a hint as to why?
wolfe [2k\]: Bd7 threatens F7
ProoMas [8k\]: d8 b10 d9 c10 
]
;B[dl]
C[Timk [4k\]: yes..
ProoMas [8k\]: hmmm
Uberdude [3d?\]: b10
OohAah [7d\]: c10 i think
OohAah [7d\]: e10 first, then c10
Prophet19 [8k\]: d9 b7 d7 c7 d6 ?
aussiemate [8k\]: W d9 ?
Timk [4k\]: good one, ooh ah
Lynx [2d\]: does W have slight advantage, OohAah? 
OohAah [7d\]: not so slight
Timk [4k\]: that'w why bamboo joint is better than e11 :D
]
;W[ej]
C[nanok [12k?\]: b  must f/g 10?
True [1k\]: lol
ProoMas [8k\]: f10 is the worst
AroundOneD [2d\]: to see who gets s17
nanok [12k?\]: or it's irrelevant?
ProoMas [8k\]: F11 is the best
True [1k\]: f10 is beautiful
True [1k\]: xD
True [1k\]: Jk
OohAah [7d\]: i think black has to give it up
OohAah [7d\]: otherwise
ProoMas [8k\]: maybe maybe
OohAah [7d\]: f11 c10 b10 b11 b12 d11 c12 d12 and black is cut, so he cant attack center
]
;B[dk]
C[OohAah [7d\]: and if you cant attack center, no point in saving those 3 stones
ProoMas [8k\]: no I mean
ProoMas [8k\]: F11 is better connection
ProoMas [8k\]: than F10
nanok [12k?\]: oohaah thanks!
Lynx [2d\]: yowch this looks painful
Timk [4k\]: centec is safed :)
pseudocalm [16k\]:  go canada!
OohAah [7d\]: maybe white will choose to start with o12 or n12 before capturing
Timk [4k\]: to see B's reaction ?
True [1k\]: w right group doesnt look safe
True [1k\]: b can q6, no?
nanok [12k?\]: to get that in sente (capture will lose him sente temporarily)?
]
;W[fi]
C[ProoMas [8k\]: I would ignore anything non-localy
ProoMas [8k\]: if white tenukis
]
;B[fh]
C[nanok [12k?\]: strange
akko888 [9k\]: f11hm
ProoMas [8k\]: hm?
ProoMas [8k\]: snapback
ProoMas [8k\]: ;\]
akko888 [9k\]: ya
Timk [4k\]: g10 ? :)
ProoMas [8k\]: g9
OohAah [7d\]: white might go for d11
]
;W[gj];B[nh]
C[wolfe [2k\]: ?????  Why W not not F10 ????
akko888 [9k\]: kind of weird snapback though
]
;W[nr]
C[esko [1k\]: isnt w f 10 better than g10?
OohAah [7d\]: f10 leaves sente moves for black around g12
secretsun [1k\]: take glasses
pozdnychev: how is it possible to be 2k and unable to read a simple snapback?
pseudocalm [16k\]: snapback with cut aji?
nanok [12k?\]: i don't think he meant the snapback
nanok [12k?\]: the three b stones were dead either way
OohAah [7d\]: this is alittle better than just capturing the 3 stones, because now white has a nice follow up move at d11 
OohAah [7d\]: if white had just g10 to capture the 3 stones, d11 would be nothing
wolfe [2k\]: F10 instead of G10 still captures, but B has two cuts to protect at G12 and E12
lexansoft [3k\]: time for r18?
]
;B[pn];W[om];B[on]
C[nanok [12k?\]: so he invested that one extra move for making this snapback to weaken b around d11?
]
;W[ol]
C[wolfe [2k\]: This way, B can protect both cuts w/ F10 - F11 - F10
];B[mr]
C[akko888 [9k\]: with the d11 leaves b cut with a ponnuki in the center
ProoMas [8k\]: center?
akko888 [9k\]: well high side i guess
AroundOneD [2d\]: b gained sth here
]
;W[di];B[pr];W[mp];B[no];W[or];B[hc];W[kf]
C[nanok [12k?\]: oooh. b can bridge under at p1, in sente, right?
akko888 [9k\]: no
ProoMas [8k\]: no
OohAah [7d\]: p1 o1
nanok [12k?\]: okay, i'm reading it wrong than. maybe 2am is too much :)
ProoMas [8k\]: many ko threats tho
AroundOneD [2d\]: he meant without p2
]
;B[jf]
C[nanok [12k?\]: (pq, o1, n1, w needs to connect at p3, no?)
];W[jg]
C[nanok [12k?\]: s/pq/p1
akko888 [9k\]: no
ggggggg [5k\]: can also take at q1
akko888 [9k\]: w can take p1 stone
nanok [12k?\]: b r1
nanok [12k?\]: ?
akko888 [9k\]: and even then o1 would prevent the connection
ProoMas [8k\]: ?
ggggggg [5k\]: black p1 o1 n1 q1
ProoMas [8k\]: b R1 is worse than b A1
]
;B[kg]
C[satakieli [1k\]: is 8 komi most even nowadays?
True [1k\]: its 7.5
];W[je]
C[akko888 [9k\]: it is 8
];B[if]
C[ikami [5d\]: 6.5
nanok [12k?\]: q1 would be in atari after r1
];W[lf]
C[Chrille [1k\]: po1 op1 nq1 qn1
nanok [12k?\]: nevermind, i'm probably jsut silly
akko888 [9k\]: or yes 7.5
ttat [10k\]: no1p1pq11
agrog [1k\]: q1 looks better than p1
ggggggg [5k\]: i didnt know black got to play r1 before. i dont know the best anwer to r1
nanok [12k?\]: r1 after w q1
agrog [1k\]: i meant B q1 as starting move
akko888 [9k\]: and then w can connect at p3 and b is blocked off
ggggggg [5k\]: i think we are both not getting what the other one is trying to say :-)
nanok [12k?\]: so q1 in atari, if w connects at p1, loses hole group, needs to p3, so b connects under
]
;B[lg]
C[akko888 [9k\]: b cannot connect under - w played o1 in your sequence
nanok [12k?\]: akko888: right. i'll keep quiet now :)
]
;W[ie]
C[nanok [12k?\]: sorry
ggggggg [5k\]: nevermind
agrog [1k\]: kgs forgives
akko888 [9k\]: I remember when I was a ddk like you.  It seems like it was only yesterday.  Oh, it was.
pseudocalm [16k\]: xD
agrog [1k\]: q1 still interesting to me
]
;B[hf]
C[nanok [12k?\]: akko: watch your back, i
nanok [12k?\]: ugh
nanok [12k?\]: i'm coming
nanok [12k?\]: :P
]
;W[kd]
C[akko888 [9k\]: q1 p3?
];B[he];W[id]
C[nanok [12k?\]: akko: "it seemed like a good idea at the time"?
];B[hd]
C[nanok [12k?\]: :)
pseudocalm [16k\]: clone game feature is a handy tool...
agrog [1k\]: b looking great
nanok [12k?\]: pseudocalm: true, but i can barely light a cigarette at this time of night/morning :)
blitar [8k\]: the result isn't bad for w
OohAah [7d\]: "
True [1k\]: now q18 would be better at p17
OohAah [7d\]: ..its game over for black
]
;W[jc]
C[OohAah [7d\]: white just has to k17
True [1k\]: can black kill?
blitar [8k\]: why w  did not take ladder
Shizaru [14k\]: snapback
Shizaru [14k\]: It's his anyway
]
;B[ob]
C[True [1k\]: too small
];W[jh]
C[OohAah [7d\]: white completely destroyed all of blacks territory..
OohAah [7d\]: for nothing
blitar [8k\]: wow
]
;B[fc]
C[akko888 [9k\]: you are right i do not see hardly any points for b
pseudocalm [16k\]: so was this blacks mistake for doubling back into the lower left corner?
agrog [1k\]: b upper right looks like territory
True [1k\]: b upper right way too small
pseudocalm [16k\]:  lower right*
True [1k\]: lower right still small
True [1k\]: compared to white's
]
;W[eb]
C[OohAah [7d\]: black played the fight following l14 bad
];B[ib]
C[blitar [8k\]: L13 hard choice
akko888 [9k\]: do we know how much time each player has left?
True [1k\]: b trying to kill o-o
]
;W[jb]
C[True [1k\]: o nvm trying to live
blitar [8k\]: or to be killed
True [1k\]: i just noticed b in huge trouble
agrog [1k\]: f14
satakieli [1k\]: earlier this seemed to be b's game
pseudocalm [16k\]: b had a choice earlier to shut w out of the middle from bottom, and give w a big bottom right corner, 
]
;B[fb];W[fd];B[fe];W[ed];B[gd]
C[Ailura [6k\]: G18?
pseudocalm [16k\]: back in the early game, when w split at Q10, could b have played P11 instead of P12 to make it more difficult for w to invade center?
akko888 [9k\]: b can strengthen with f10
]
;W[ch]
C[Shizaru [14k\]: wouldn't w just f11?
satakieli [1k\]: f10 makes fake eye in gote
]
;B[ee]
C[Shizaru [14k\]: Could even ignore it I suppose
akko888 [9k\]: f10 f11 f10 but it saves e11?
Shizaru [14k\]: Still isn't an eye though
akko888 [9k\]: yes it isnt
]
;W[cj]
C[True [1k\]: w doesnt need kill to win
];B[bi];W[eh];B[ce];W[be];B[df]
C[True [1k\]: oo 
];W[bf]
C[agrog [1k\]: all about sente
];B[dj]
C[True [1k\]: How to resign in sente?
];W[gb]
C[USGO1 [-\]: Calvin takes a close look
agrog [1k\]: b says he has an eye at g15 as well
]
;B[ga]
C[OohAah [7d\]: he does
akko888 [9k\]: yeah :D
];W[fg]
C[Shizaru [14k\]: Don't think I would have seen g19 there
True [1k\]: k2 big next
Shizaru [14k\]: =\\
]
;B[ff]
C[ggggggg [5k\]: c2 not bigger than k2?
OohAah [7d\]: feels like white can do better on bottom than k2
sunnyvale [4d?\]: it s alive
True [1k\]: oh?
]
;W[ri]
C[akko888 [9k\]: maybe use m2 to create aji and then k2?
];B[ms]
C[akko888 [9k\]: nvm
True [1k\]: lol
True [1k\]: thats sente yes?
akko888 [9k\]: yes
]
;W[os];B[ro];W[rp]
C[wolfe [2k\]: N1 was quite big, since W M3 would have threated to connect across to H2, I think.
Caissa [5k\]: s2
OohAah [7d\]: i thought about m3
OohAah [7d\]: but black would answer it at n1
]
;B[mf]
C[wolfe [2k\]: Sorry --- n1 first.
];W[me]
C[OohAah [7d\]: if white plays n1 first, black will l2 and white doesnt gain anything
wolfe [2k\]: I see --- thanks OOhAhh
]
;B[nf];W[jr];B[kr];W[is]
C[RamenBoya [4d\]: black seems very destroyed
True [1k\]: yes ramen you are correct
RamenBoya [4d\]: i just got here and it looks quite one sided
]
;B[kq];W[rh]
C[True [1k\]: oo
];B[rg]
C[RamenBoya [4d\]: go juyong!
];W[rf]
C[OohAah [7d\]: e19 and g13 are big sentes for white..
RamenBoya [4d\]: man this is so gg, im outa here
agrog [1k\]: w maybe 5 ahead
True [1k\]: i thot w would g13 right away
]
;B[sg];W[qg];B[qf];W[pg];B[re];W[ph];B[lc];W[ld]
C[Lodestone [2k\]: guess it's a ko threat
];B[mc];W[md];B[cr]
C[nanok [12k?\]: that would have to be a big ko :)
];W[kn];B[ko]
C[True [1k\]: oh man...
];W[oi]
C[True [1k\]: w is ahead big time
agrog [1k\]: just 5 i think
];B[pf];W[og]
;B[mh];W[ea];B[fa];W[eq]
C[OohAah [7d\]: scriber, are you sure g13 wasnt played yet?
];B[rl];W[rk]
;B[rr]
C[True [1k\]: hehe last resort
USGO1 [-\]: NO G13
True [1k\]: g13 would be big threat if there ko here
]
;W[qr];B[qm];W[pk]
C[USGO1 [-\]: b down to 2x.30
];B[qq];W[qs]
C[Shizaru [14k\]: His time?
];B[ke];W[le]
C[agrog [1k\]: yes
USGO1 [-\]: 2 periods of .30
];B[sp];W[sq];B[sn];W[so]
C[agrog [1k\]: his points are down to 2x20
];B[gg];W[gh]
C[True [1k\]: darn
];B[hh]
C[True [1k\]: dont know why w didnt g13 earlier
];W[ma];B[mb];W[ka];B[rs]
;W[ps];B[sp];W[rq]
C[agrog [1k\]: j19
];B[na];W[cs];B[bs];W[ds];B[dq];W[er]
C[True [1k\]: Eh
];B[bh]
C[True [1k\]: w still ahead
JeansebL [2d?\]: d6 ?
];W[br]
C[True [1k\]: a2
];B[bq];W[as]
C[akko888 [9k\]: ...?
True [1k\]: b no want ko
];B[fh]
C[nanok [12k?\]: b1 was silly :(
True [1k\]: why?
];W[lm]
C[akko888 [9k\]: b1 was necessary
];B[mn]
C[ggggggg [5k\]: what did b12 do?
nanok [12k?\]: hmm. i must have missed the sequence than
True [1k\]: ^^
]
;W[gh];B[dd];W[dc];B[fh]
C[akko888 [9k\]: i guess b12 got rid of some territory for w
ggggggg [5k\]: covering in the lower left looked quite big too
]
;W[dm];B[cm];W[gh];B[bc];W[bb]
C[ggggggg [5k\]: and if b12 didnt take it in sente it must have taken a lot of territory
]
;B[fh]
C[akko888 [9k\]: about 3 points of territory
lexansoft [3k\]: it is quite noisy in the room
Lodestone [2k\]: in what room? the one they're playing in?
lexansoft [3k\]: yes
]
;W[eg];B[ki]
C[Nabeshin [-\]: There's an argument over how board 3 should be scored.
]
;W[dn];B[do];W[eo];B[ep];W[fo]
C[akko888 [9k\]: *goes to board 3*
];B[aq];W[bg];B[ns];W[pq];B[ah];W[ag]
;B[kh];W[sl];B[rm];W[la];B[of]
C[esko [1k\]: why not b o16?
USGO1 [-\]: sorry, losing the sequence here; they're going pretty fast now
eurogotv [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
eurogotv [-\]: i go to sleep, cu later
True [1k\]: w+
USGO1 [-\]: thanks EGTV!
bishini [9k?\]: that's ok, w wins anyway
USGO1 [-\]: stand by for official count
USGO1 [-\]: Calvin's been shaking his head for a while now
Lynx [2d\]: poor black
True [1k\]: b resign?
True [1k\]: what happened o-o
Lynx [2d\]: things seemed positive but he really lost the momentum in the late middle game
nanok [12k?\]: true: he said official count, so i guess no resignation
True [1k\]: oh
True [1k\]: k
Lynx [2d\]: =)
nanok [12k?\]: w +10 at least, i guess, anyway
nanok [12k?\]: still a very cool game, imho
nanok [12k?\]: (still scratching my head :) )
piesoup [12k\]: w's winning?
ggggggg [5k\]: i even think w+13 (but im so bad at counting)
True [1k\]: Juyong's games are always longer than the others XD
nanok [12k?\]: ggg: i didn't count, so don't take my word. you're probably closer, i just made an "estimate"
nanok [12k?\]: we can't see the yose anyway..
FirePrince [3d\]: Calvin Sun lost
USGO1 [-\]: white wins by 10+
blitar [8k\]: b 70 w 77
N4KED [2d\]: Is round 3 happening today?
USGO1 [-\]: there's a little bit of confusion about whether to count Ing style
USGO1 [-\]: but it doesn't change result
sweety [-\]: Thanks USGO1
True [1k\]: w win yes?
USGO1 [-\]: yes, there's one more round coming
nanok [12k?\]: thanks usgo1, great job as always!
True [1k\]: cool
USGO1 [-\]: probably soon, but will check
True [1k\]: ty usgo1
True [1k\]: is there website for records of win/loss?
USGO1 [-\]: they're pairing now
]
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