(;GM[1]FF[4]SZ[19]AP[SmartGo:2.5.0.0]CA[UTF-8]
GN[US Open - 2010 US Go Congress - Round 5 Board 1 - Myungwan Kim vs Yongfei Ge]
PW[Myungwan Kim]WR[9p]
PB[Yongfei Ge]BR[7d]
EV[2010 US Open]RO[5]
DT[2010-08-06]
PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]
KM[7.5]
RE[W+R]
US[Solomon Smilack]
RU[AGA]ST[2]
TM[7200.0]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
AN[Cathy Li 1P]
C[2010 US Open Round 5
UCCS, Colorado Springs, CO
W: Myungwan Kim 9P
B: Yongfei Ge 7D
Commentary by Cathy Li 1P, broadcast on the KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/ 
Game recorded by Solomon Smilack; commentary transcribed by Chris Garlock

USGO5 [-\]: Greetings! I’m Chris Garlock, Managing Editor of the American E-Journal and I’ll be transcribing today’s game commentary by Cathy Li 1P from Vancouver, CA, one of the professionals here at the U.S. Go Congress. She’ll review the game and you may ask questions as we go along.
]
;B[pd];W[dp];B[pq];W[dd];B[fq];W[cn];B[ip];W[po];B[oo];W[on];B[op]
C[FreeDoom [?\]: thanks!
];W[pn]
C[flooder: thank you
];B[qp];W[mn]
C[DanielTom [5d\]: yes, thanks
];B[mp];W[qf];B[nc]
C[USGO5 [-\]: I think this is a normal opening
]
(;W[pp]
C[USGO5 [-\]: I think Mr Kim likes fighting, so Yongfei wants to avoid fighting and get more territory
FreeDoom [?\]: so q4 not aji keishi?
USGO5 [-\]: no, it's not
]
;B[qq]LB[kp:A][lq:B][oq:D][nr:C]
C[yougotPWND [7d?\]: freedoom, there was no aji before ^^
USGO5 [-\]: now, because of the cut at D, the invasion at A has follow-ups at B and C
]
;W[rd];B[qc];W[qi]LB[fc:B][cf:A][kp:C]
C[USGO5 [-\]: B is not sure yet, whether he wants to approach at A or B, and W S5 is really big 
au2 [2d?\]: OK, thx
USGO5 [-\]: and WS5 also makes the invasion at C an issue 
]
(;B[rn]
C[au2 [2d?\]: b s5 why not approach top left corner?
USGO5 [-\]: W does not want to keep playing in this area; it's too small
]
;W[fc]
C[USGO5 [-\]: big
USGO5 [-\]: she's not sure why B chooses this point
]
(;B[be]
(;W[ce]
C[USGO5 [-\]: good; w gets outside so that's ok
USGO5 [-\]: I don't like B15; not sure what he's thinking
USGO5 [-\]: yes, only way for B to play, but she doesn't like this line of play
]
;B[bd];W[bf];B[cf];W[cg];B[df];W[bh];B[dc];W[cc];B[cd]
C[USGO5 [-\]: Mr Kim likes fighting, so he chooses this variation
];W[db]
;B[de];W[ec]
C[USGO5 [-\]: So B is not alive, W has played on both sides, but B has destroyed some points here
sushisan [4d\]: more or less unavoidable after C15, isn't it?
flooder: b D10 possible now?
]
(;B[eh];W[di];B[ei];W[dj]
(;B[dr]
C[USGO5 [-\]: hmmm
Syptryn [3d\]: could white have played D-13 cut after black E-12?
USGO5 [-\]: it's big but...
]
;W[lc]
C[USGO5 [-\]: big
USGO5 [-\]: double move
USGO5 [-\]: squeeze B upper right
USGO5 [-\]: and now B cannot play on the upper side because his group is weak
]
(;B[ge]
C[USGO5 [-\]: faster, but leaves cut
];W[fe];B[ff];W[gf]
C[USGO5 [-\]: very strong cut
USGO5 [-\]: severe
USGO5 [-\]: this uses the influence of the W wall in the lower right
]
;B[he];W[hf];B[fd];W[ee];B[ef];W[ed];B[ie];W[if]
C[USGO5 [-\]: B now has two groups to manage
sushisan [4d\]: probably too much
]
;B[ke];W[jf]
C[in the review after the game, Myung-Wan said that since B is behind, he may want to overplay and connect at A]
LB[je:A]
(;B[fk]TR[ge:ie]
C[hexon [3k\]: I'm stoked for this commentary
Goprince [3d\]: lol stoked
Prophet19 [9k\]: same
Sjonny [8k\]: 9p vs 7d amateur?
baian [1d\]: stoked dude
Sjonny [8k\]: how can that be fair
yougotPWND [7d?\]: lol
soon9d [27k\]: Quiet chat mode, please. ^^
yougotPWND [7d?\]: black is actually around 8d
FreeDoom [?\]: i was just asking what the other pros think of f9 here  :)
yougotPWND [7d?\]: 9p is around 9d+ ama
Sjonny [8k\]: -_- confused now
yougotPWND [7d?\]: so only 1-2 stone difference max
USGO5 [-\]: must
sushisan [4d\]: leaves huge weakness
USGO5 [-\]: b is thinking he'll sack the three marked stones and attack the single W stone
USGO5 [-\]: BK15 instead of f9?
ogre [2d?\]: question was instead of l14 i think
USGO5 [-\]: if so, no, because B gets surrounded on the left
sushisan [4d\]: no, you showed already
ogre [2d?\]: ohok
sushisan [4d\]: after w N16
USGO5 [-\]: ok
]
(;W[md]
C[USGO5 [-\]: but W wants all the stones
USGO5 [-\]: so I like W


]
(;B[kf]
C[USGO5 [-\]: now B is managing three weak groups
];W[je]
C[sushisan [4d\]: b K15 impossible, Sir?
];B[kd]
(;W[ic];B[pf]
C[ogre [2d?\]: no furikawari?
XxSaSuKeXx [7k\]: lol
XxSaSuKeXx [7k\]: hi
]
;W[qg]
C[Myung-Wan: B needs to connect at A and force W to connect underneath]LB[mf:A]
(;B[kh]
C[ogre [2d?\]: i guess it would be a bad trade
];W[mf];B[rc];W[gi]
C[USGO5 [-\]: W returns to double attack
];B[ej];W[dk];B[hj];W[ji]
C[USGO5 [-\]: must keep B separated
grumpyjoe [-\]: what was h10?
USGO5 [-\]: difficult for B to manage both groups
USGO5 [-\]: so W has picked up nice terr on the upper and left sides, and with these attacks on B, hopes to be able to invade the lower side
]
;B[mh];W[ng]
(;B[mg];W[nd];B[od]
C[USGO5 [-\]: So all this trouble started innocently with B15
USGO5 [-\]: interesting game to watch, though, to see B handling the attacks b White
]
;W[of];B[nh]
C[ogre [2d?\]: couldnt b go k16 at some point?
];W[pg]
C[USGO5 [-\]: W is becoming stronger and stroinger
Itch [5k\]: eh, n6 still strong ?
ogre [2d?\]: i guess save h15 worth nothing almost
USGO5 [-\]: basically, W's stones on the outside have too many liberties and the friendly W wall below
]
(;B[kj]
C[ethanb [1d\]: J12 now? connect (or almost connect)
USGO5 [-\]: look at how useful the lower white wall is in the fight
]
;W[ik]
C[USGO5 [-\]: right
ogre [2d?\]: seems b only chance is to get a good attack on q5
USGO5 [-\]: (laughs)
USGO5 [-\]: no, Q5 group is attacking b
USGO5 [-\]: B's problem:
]
(;B[hi]
C[USGO5 [-\]: w's groups are all safe
USGO5 [-\]: B has 2 weak groups to defend, as well as his one big area in the bottom side
]
;W[jh]
C[USGO5 [-\]: this was her prediction for next move
USGO5 [-\]: where shall B go?
USGO5 [-\]: diff problem
USGO5 [-\]: guesses?
ligo [4k\]: r8
Dunadan8 [6k?\]: p9 ?
MagicMagor [3k\]: k13 or k10? 
Syptryn [3d\]: m9>
Syptryn [3d\]: ?
lyricalsea [-\]: N9?
ethanb [1d\]: N10
sushisan [4d\]: w solid all around
Itch [5k\]: o7 
SpaceCow [2k\]: o9
Syptryn [3d\]: q10 also
USGO5 [-\]: k13 will damage leftside grp
ethanb [1d\]: no, M9 better than N10
ethanb [1d\]: yes, changing my vote :)
scottw1919 [8k\]: what is the balance of territory
USGO5 [-\]: she maybe likes q10
Zitrone [1k\]: p6 don't look very strong, if i was black i will try to attack them to help my weak groupl6?
Zitrone [1k\]: L6*
USGO5 [-\]: try to escape and also attack the W wall
USGO5 [-\]: interesting
USGO5 [-\]: we'll try it
Syptryn [3d\]: q10 :D
]
(;B[gg]
C[Syptryn [3d\]: ah, like this, whowinning?
USGO5 [-\]: oh; b wants to live here
]
;W[hk]
C[Syptryn [3d\]: slow?
];B[hh]
C[USGO5 [-\]: ok, but if B lives here, don't know what happens with the other B group
Dunadan8 [6k?\]: shouldn't white attack l9 group then ?
Itch [5k\]: n10 ?
sushisan [4d\]: later, w can L3
]
(;W[jj]
(;B[kk]
C[USGO5 [-\]: looks very dangerous for b
USGO5 [-\]: W is all connected
]
;W[mj]TR[gg]
C[USGO5 [-\]: hmm; where have we seen this before?
Dunadan8 [6k?\]: :)
sushisan [4d\]: slight difference
USGO5 [-\]: the marked B move lacked confidence
USGO5 [-\]: needed to fight more strongly at something like Q10
]
(;B[mk];W[nj];B[lj]
C[Zitrone [1k\]: isn't l8 wrong direction? (white don't need to kil and l8 way black into possible territory
]
;W[ll]LB[kp:A]
C[USGO5 [-\]: so K10 was very solid
sushisan [4d\]: w attacks in full force :)
USGO5 [-\]: w doesn't need to kill B
sushisan [4d\]: just make him sweat
USGO5 [-\]: just wants to get more terr and destroy B terr
sushisan [4d\]: still, w M8 is a tough mv
USGO5 [-\]: remember, W has had his eye on A for a very long time
ogre [2d?\]: i think b m10 should be at o9
ethanb [1d\]: that lets white cut though
ogre [2d?\]: yes
ethanb [1d\]: easier to save part, yeah :)
flooder: how is b even alive?
Dunadan8 [6k?\]: b could escape and connect to j4, but it would be in exchange of a white l4, right ?
]
;B[lm]
C[ChemBoy613 [-\]: excuse me, who is our commentor today?
zeku [1k\]: 1p 
zeku [1k\]: cathy li
USGO1 [-\]: Chris Garlock is transcribing for Cathy Li 1p
ChemBoy613 [-\]: ah, nice... hi chris good to see you online
tf [2d\]: Chris, how do you compare j10 with k10?
USGO5 [-\]: sorry; Cathy had to take a quick break, back now
]
;W[km]
(;B[mm]
C[Syptryn [3d\]: no cut?
]
(;W[ml];B[nk];W[ok]
C[vaansama [21k\]: O8 L8?
]
(;B[nl];W[nm];B[oj];W[ol];B[lk];W[ln];B[pj]LB[oi:A]
C[flashback [7d\]: this isnt good for b :)
jenesis [4d?\]: never heard that on kgs before ^^
USGO5 [-\]: but B is still not def alive, there's a hane at A to falsify the eye
flashback [7d\]: cannot directly?
Morla [5d\]: like yesterday kim gives his oppenent some chance to win, maybe yongfei can use this chances better :)
]
;W[oi]
C[USGO5 [-\]: Cathy has to go prepare fr a simul here at the Congress. Thanks for watching and be sure to tune back in at 7P MST (Mountain Time) for the big Ing final round tonight!
flashback [7d\]: hehe
]
;B[ni];W[pi]
C[jenesis [4d?\]: thanks li laoshi!
Dunadan8 [6k?\]: thank you for the commentary !
tf [2d\]: thx
hellogo1: thank you :-D
USGO5 [-\]: you're welcome; see you next time!
]
;B[]
C[hellogo1: yongfei resigned
])
(;B[nl];W[nm];B[ln];W[ol];B[lk];W[kl];B[jl];W[jm];B[jk];W[im];B[il];W[lo]
;B[kn]
(;W[jo])
(;W[hm];B[hl];W[ko];B[jn];W[io])))
(;W[ml]
C[USGO5 [-\]: if w pushes here, what does b do?
ericosman [1k\]: usgo1 and usgo5 seem to be the same game.  what is happening ?  is someone analyzing in one and not the other ?
vaansama [21k\]: 06?
gogadget [4k\]: o9 
Dupaaxe [?\]: is better I think :)
USGO5 [-\]: game commentary by Cathy Li 1P from Vancouver, CA, one of the professionals here at the U.S. Go Congress
Dunadan8 [6k?\]: l7 ?
FreeDoom [?\]: o9 probably
Murn [2d\]: k8?
sushisan [4d\]: 5=pro comment, 1 is ama kibitz
]
;B[kl];W[ln];B[nm];W[nl]TR[ll:nl][km]SQ[ln:mn][on:pn]
C[vaansama [21k\]: he play O9
FreeDoom [?\]: i just gain 1/25 of stone :P
USGO5 [-\]: in this sequence, the triangled stones are the key stones and the squared stones are no longer important
]
))
(;B[kl]
(;W[jm]
C[Dupaaxe [?\]: Not kill USGO1 :)
];B[mm];W[ln]
C[Syptryn [3d\]: this gonna be bad
];B[nm];W[nn];B[jg];W[ig];B[kg];W[jd]
(;B[ki];W[kp]
C[sushisan [4d\]: w achieves goal: becomes solid in sente
Syptryn [3d\]: can b;ack tenuki?
]
)
(;B[kp]
C[Syptryn [3d\]: gamble
USGO5 [-\]: actually, W may not want to play this way
USGO5 [-\]: B has potential 2nd eye on the left, which also attacks W wall
]
))
(;W[ln])
(;W[ml];B[jm];W[kn];B[il];W[jn];B[in];W[jp]
C[USGO5 [-\]: this way W has no problems
ericosman [1k\]: why is usgo1 and usgo5 covering the same game ?
flashback [7d\]: w seems well ahead this way
Dunadan8 [6k?\]: if w aims for l4, couldn't he play m6 instead of l7 ?
USGO5 [-\]: so one lesson here has to do with being careful about trying to kill
USGO5 [-\]: if attack fails and there's no benefit, it's a problem
]
)))
(;B[mk]
C[ogre [2d?\]: this game is kind of depressing
USGO1 [-\]: Yongfei stands, and takes a walk while scratching his head.
sushisan [4d\]: *scratch*
USGO5 [-\]: not depressing, interesting
iancho [1d\]: i find the game textbook play
USGO5 [-\]: because B tried to avoid fighting, and yet wound up in these major fights
USGO5 [-\]: because of choice of B15
USGO5 [-\]: and then G15 allowed cut, starting fighting
sushisan [4d\]: b A, w J12, then w G10 possible
]
))
(;B[oj]))
(;W[mj];B[lj]
(;W[ml];B[kl];W[kn];B[jm];W[kp]LB[rm:C][qo:B][ro:A]
C[USGO5 [-\]: later, W has the a-b-c seqience to seal off the side and make terr
]
)
(;W[mk]
C[USGO5 [-\]: I would play the sequence this way
USGO5 [-\]: stronger
sushisan [4d\]: USG5: how about simply L8 at mv 90?
USGO5 [-\]: B doesn't have time to cut at k10
]
))
(;W[kl]
C[USGO5 [-\]: hmmm
sushisan [4d\]: b can only live, isn't it?
];B[jj];W[ij]
;B[jg];W[ig];B[kg];W[jd];B[mk]LB[ii:A][jk:B]TR[lh]
C[sushisan [4d\]: b A not sente...
USGO5 [-\]: B has an eye around the triangle, the atari at A and then the push-cut starting at B
]
;W[sa]
C[ogre [2d?\]: w can g10
];B[ii];W[ih];B[gk];W[im]
C[USGO5 [-\]: B lives on both sides
sushisan [4d\]: so, maybe a bit soft
USGO5 [-\]: this is why w connected solidly in the game
]
)
(;W[ij];B[kl]
C[USGO5 [-\]: totally different
USGO5 [-\]: no pressure on B
tf [2d\]: ok
tf [2d\]: i c
]
))
(;B[pj];W[oi];B[oj];W[ni];B[nj];W[mi];B[mj];W[li]LB[ki:A][jk:C][kl:B]
C[Syptryn [3d\]: m9 instead of N10?
ogre [2d?\]: sacrifice it
Syptryn [3d\]: oh nm don't work
USGO5 [-\]: so, her question to you: what's b's next move?
Dunadan8 [6k?\]: sacrifice and go for s7 ?
Dunadan8 [6k?\]: k7
lyricalsea [-\]: L11?
Syptryn [3d\]: B
USGO5 [-\]: which?
SpaceCow [2k\]: a
Zitrone [1k\]: C
andy1975 [1d\]: plays at g 13
lyricalsea [-\]: A
Dunadan8 [6k?\]: B
ethanb [1d\]: A - could cut J10 in sente later
Syptryn [3d\]: B
ethanb [1d\]: B i better shape outside though :)
Itch [5k\]: B
]
;B[kl]
C[USGO5 [-\]: she likes this best
Zitrone [1k\]: A wiéé make a third weak group if m10
Zitrone [1k\]: will*
USGO5 [-\]: trade
Syptryn [3d\]: white group definately dead?
Itch [5k\]: l11 r10 
ogre [2d?\]: have to gamble
USGO5 [-\]: definitely maybe
]
;W[ki];B[kn];W[qk];B[qj];W[rj];B[rl];W[rk];B[pl]
C[USGO5 [-\]: definitely
]))
(;B[jd];W[id];B[ih];W[ii];B[hh];W[hi];B[jg];W[gh];B[gg];W[gd];B[hg];W[hd]
;B[ig]))
(;B[ih]
(;W[jh])
(;W[ii]
C[ethanb [1d\]: just too much - thanks :)
];B[hh]
(;W[jh])
(;W[hi]LB[gh:A][jh:B]
C[USGO5 [-\]: A and B are miai
USGO5 [-\]: so no connection
ethanb [1d\]: gives black something to push around in sente though was my idea
ethanb [1d\]: maybe not a good one though :)
yougotPWND [7d?\]: its 2 groups vs 1
]
(;B[gh];W[jh];B[jg];W[ig];B[kg];W[jd]
C[USGO5 [-\]: same problem
])
(;B[jh]
C[yougotPWND [7d?\]: obviously b wants to somehow connect 
];W[gh];B[gg]
;W[hg];B[fg];W[jd]TR[gh:gi][hi:ji]
C[ethanb [1d\]: now L9 or so?
USGO5 [-\]: B cannot surround the marked stones
grumpyjoe [-\]: f13 was not more interesting?
ethanb [1d\]: ok
]
)))))
(;B[ih]))
(;B[mf]))
(;W[ne];B[jd];W[id]TR[md]
C[USGO5 [-\]: the addition of the marked stone makes a big diff
]))
(;B[je]
C[in the review after the game, Myung-Wan suggested that since B is behind, he may want to overplay here]
;W[lg]
C[USGO5 [-\]: no, too dangerous
sushisan [4d\]: no move now
USGO5 [-\]: too dangerous for upper right corner
]
))
(;W[je];B[kd];W[jd];B[kc]))
(;B[je];W[kf]
C[sushisan [4d\]: b in trouble, right?
];B[le]
C[USGO5 [-\]: yes, very very dangerous
];W[fj];B[gh];W[hi]))
(;B[fe];W[rc];B[ne];W[ge]
C[USGO5 [-\]: possible sequence
]))
(;B[fe]
(;W[hc];B[dr]
C[USGO5 [-\]: with f15 fixing the aji, then B can slide at d2
];W[lc]
(;B[rc])
(;B[ne]))
(;W[dr];B[hc]
C[USGO5 [-\]: f15 has the follow-up at h17
])))
(;B[dj];W[ei];B[ej];W[fi];B[fj];W[ff]
C[USGO5 [-\]: no
USGO5 [-\]: B's too weak
flooder: ok thanks
]))
(;W[bd];B[cd];W[ce];B[cc];W[bc]
(;B[cf])
(;B[de];W[cf];B[dc];W[ed];B[bf];W[bb];B[cg];W[df];B[dg];W[ef];B[eg];W[ff]
;B[cl]
C[USGO5 [-\]: this is joseki, but...
USGO5 [-\]: because I like the corner territory I would do this
USGO5 [-\]: ok for both
]
)))
(;B[cj])
(;B[ci]))
(;B[cf];W[dh];B[ef];W[fd]))
(;W[aa];B[rn];W[pp];B[oq]LB[kp:A]
C[USGO5 [-\]: in this sequence, it'smuch harder for W to use the invasion point at A
]
))

