(;GM[1]FF[4]SZ[19]AP[SmartGo:2.5.0.0]CA[UTF-8]
GN[US Open - 2010 US Go Congress - Round 4 Board 1 - Lui, Eric 7d vs Kim, Myungwan 9p]
PW[Lui, Eric]WR[7d]
PB[Kim, Myung Wan]BR[9p]
EV[2010 US Open]RO[4]
DT[2010-08-05]
PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]
KM[7.5]
US[Solomon Smilack]
RU[AGA]ST[2]
TM[7200.0]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
AN[Cheng Xiaoliu (translated by I-han Lui, transcribed by Chris Garlock)]
C[2010 US Open Round 4, Board 1
August 5, 2010
W: Lui, Eric 7D
B: Kim, Myung Wan 9P
Commentary by Cheng Xiaoliu, translated by I-han Lui, transcribed by Chris Garlock
Game recorded by Solomon Smilack on KGS

USGO5 [-\]: Welcome! I’m Chris Garlock, Managing Editor of the American Go E-Journal; I’ll be transcribing commentary on this game by Cheng Xiaoliu 6P, who was in the top 4 of the 1988 Meijin. I-Han Lui is translating for Mr Cheng. 
USGO5 [-\]: We'll begin in a moment
SSP: what does 2d and 3k mean?
jkljlk: ?
SSP: is it rank?
USGO5 [-\]: We'll begin now
]
;B[dp];W[pp];B[dc];W[pd];B[nc];W[kd];B[qf]
C[USGO5 [-\]: or here
]
(;W[ne]
C[USGO5 [-\]: This is unusual
];B[pc];W[qc];B[qd];W[qe]
(;B[pe];W[rd];B[od];W[qd];B[oe];W[pf]
C[USGO5 [-\]: this cut is very severe; the corner becomes W instead of B
au2 [2d?\]: Is this cut correct?
ogre [2d?\]: its good
USGO5 [-\]: this var is good for W
au2 [2d?\]: thx
USGO5 [-\]: the prob is that B's shape is bad; is not a live shape
]
;B[of];W[pg];B[ic]TR[je]
C[ogre [2d?\]: wow
]
(;W[ph]
C[USGO5 [-\]: very slow
USGO5 [-\]: w doesn't need this move
];B[kf]
C[chimerin [2k?\]: so much experiene to say what the 'normal' response is there
USGO5 [-\]: now B can attack W; if W had moved his stone out, he's attacking B
ogre [2d?\]: i thought w could let l16 play dead now
]
;W[id];B[hd];W[ie];B[jc];W[ke]TR[ph]
C[USGO5 [-\]: now b is making profit and W is under attack
USGO5 [-\]: "any place is better than here" (the marked stone
]
;B[lb]
C[ogre [2d?\]: m14 instead?
]
(;W[he]
C[USGO5 [-\]: (SHAKES HIS HEAD)
USGO5 [-\]: better not to move here
Kayres [4k\]: wow
]
;B[gd]
C[USGO5 [-\]: not easy for W to play at this point
USGO5 [-\]: hard to find the right move
USGO5 [-\]: W;s shape is heavy
USGO5 [-\]: not useful
ethanb [1d\]: they're marked at move 33 - it's only in that one node that the marks show up
]
;W[ff]
C[USGO5 [-\]: w's direction doesn't seem right
];B[df]TR[of][ph]
C[loler [4d\]: hi
USGO5 [-\]: B is attcking and making profit; very effective
USGO5 [-\]: Welcome! I’m Chris Garlock, Managing Editor of the American Go E-Journal; I’ll be transcribing commentary on this game by Cheng Xiaoliu 6P, who was in the top 4 of the 1988 Meijin. I-Han Lui is translating for Mr Cheng. 
ogre [2d?\]: oh ok i will just listen without questions then 
USGO5 [-\]: W's trouble started at the exchange of the marked stones
]
;W[mg]
C[Micael [2k\]: marked?
USGO5 [-\]: Nevessary; W needs a move here
Kayres [4k\]: p14 q12
Micael [2k\]: thx. didnt show for me
]
;B[nh]
(;W[ng]
C[USGO5 [-\]: the direct cut is not good; b may not respond directly
FireTiger [2d\]: hey usgo5, what is your rank?
ogre [2d?\]: he is 6p
ogokon [5k?\]: The commentator is 6p.
FireTiger [2d\]: really?
FireTiger [2d\]: wow
Kayres [4k\]: it's cheng xiaoliu 6p commenting
chimerin [2k?\]: usgo5 is transcribing for a 6p via a translator
USGO5 [-\]: B's intention is not to attack w's center group, but to destroy the lower right area
USGO5 [-\]: Welcome! I’m Chris Garlock, Managing Editor of the American Go E-Journal; I’m transcribing commentary on this game by Cheng Xiaoliu 6P, who was in the top 4 of the 1988 Meijin. I-Han Lui is translating for Mr Cheng. 
FireTiger [2d\]: maedaryo is also 6p...
Piggen94 [5k\]: is 6p = 15d?
]
(;B[qi]
C[USGO5 [-\]: (laughs) seems not as good
]
(;W[pi]
(;B[pj]TR[rf]
C[fireball [1k\]: lol
fireball [1k\]: why the same?
USGO5 [-\]: the shape is not good for w; b gets a nice squeeze
USGO5 [-\]: plus, b is still threatening to play down (amrked)
USGO5 [-\]: \\marked
]
;W[qj];B[qk];W[rj]
(;B[oj];W[ri]
C[USGO5 [-\]: b plays outside; better
];B[og]
(;W[oh];B[mh]
C[USGO5 [-\]: b renews attack on the center stones
USGO5 [-\]: makes nice shape for b on the outside; no defects
]
(;W[lh];B[mj];W[li]
C[USGO5 [-\]: "danger!"
]
(;B[lj]
C[USGO5 [-\]: the cut is more severe, but B doesn't need to play it, as he's well ahead
]
;W[lc]
C[USGO5 [-\]: "sente"
];B[mb];W[fq]
C[USGO5 [-\]: Mr Cheng would cut right away
]
(;B[jj]
(;W[cn]
C[USGO5 [-\]: shakes his head vigorously
USGO5 [-\]: center possibly dead
]
(;B[fp]
C[USGO5 [-\]: ah! he wants to attack the whole group
];W[gp];B[eq];W[fo]
;B[ep];W[fr];B[dn];W[dm];B[en];W[bo];B[bp];W[cp];B[cq];W[co];B[lg]LB[jj:A]
TR[mg:ng]
C[USGO5 [-\]: this makes A a wasted move!
USGO5 [-\]: should have just cut directly
USGO5 [-\]: the marked stones are no longer important 
]
;W[jf];B[mf];W[mq];B[ck]TR[jj]
C[USGO5 [-\]: the marked stone is useless
];W[em];B[fn]
(;W[dg]
C[USGO5 [-\]: (shakes head) bad move
USGO5 [-\]: white is weak, so this is an overplay
let [8k\]: should w play l10 earlier?
]
;B[eg];W[ef];B[de]
C[USGO5 [-\]: ladder works for b
USGO5 [-\]: this fight is not good for w
USGO5 [-\]: exchange gives b profit
blackstork [?\]: How would Mr Chen estimate the value of b's wall k10 etc
]
;W[dh];B[fg];W[gg];B[ei];W[di];B[gh];W[hh]
C[USGO5 [-\]: "whoa!"
USGO5 [-\]: more head-shaking
USGO5 [-\]: seems like w is going to die somewhere
USGO5 [-\]: b is in no danger
]
;B[gf]
C[altrecop [1k\]: do you think it's over?
USGO5 [-\]: any questions for Mr Cheng?
CptCaveman [2d\]: what should w do instead of d13?
USGO5 [-\]: I am asking Mr chen now; stand by
]
;W[hg]
(;B[ej];W[eh];B[fh];W[dj];B[dk];W[ek];B[fj];W[bj]
C[USGO5 [-\]: (laughs)
USGO5 [-\]: thisis questionable
USGO5 [-\]: w''s center group is not necc alive
]
(;B[fk]
C[USGO5 [-\]: this seems slow
DangoMango [2k\]: for sai to win, he has to pull some miracle tesujis out of his beep
USGO5 [-\]: seems like not quite the right move
USGO5 [-\]: maybe B stinks he can capture the center w group
USGO5 [-\]: thinkjs
USGO5 [-\]: sorry
]
;W[bk]LB[el:A]
C[USGO5 [-\]: now b still needs a move at A
];B[cg];W[bh]
(;B[ge]
C[USGO5 [-\]: oh!
USGO5 [-\]: soft
USGO5 [-\]: that wasn't a real eye anyway
USGO5 [-\]: definitely slow
emerus [5k\]: was it to remove aji?
USGO5 [-\]: B seems too polite (laughs)
flooder: removes ko threat and gets a lot of thickness
USGO5 [-\]: yes, there's aji
]
;W[hj]
C[FreeDoom [?\]: maybe b don't want to kill, just to "not win by too much" no?
]
;B[fm]
C[DangoMango [2k\]: yeah like a .5 win lol.......not...........
];W[kg];B[lf]
;W[jh];B[jd];W[je];B[cl]
C[FreeDoom [?\]: not .5 but 10 ?
];W[cm];B[el];W[bl]
C[ogre [2d?\]: w can make eye at m16 tho
];B[ii]
C[USGO5 [-\]: Mr Cheng says B is well ahead
gepay [2k\]: looks like resign to me
]
;W[ji];B[ij];W[kj]
C[ethanb [1d\]: can he? I just decided he couldn't
];B[kk];W[ki];B[hf]
C[ogre [2d?\]: oh maybe not gee
yougotPWND [5d?\]: resign
];W[nj]
C[ogre [2d?\]: m15 n16 
];B[mi]
C[USGO5 [-\]: even if w lives, the upper left corner is too big; w is behind
]
;W[]LB[kb:2][kc:1][md:3]
C[USGO5 [-\]: earlier, w could have made an eye with the b1 w2 b3 sequence, but not now
USGO5 [-\]: but it was a gote eye
MPokora: is the game over ?
Rekord [7k\]: y
ogre [2d?\]: yeah l17 no answer now
MPokora: what was the result ?
jkljlk: b+ res
Rekord [7k\]: B+ res
MPokora: ok, thanks
ethanb [1d\]: thanks Chris, and thanks to Mr. Cheng
USGO5 [-\]: Thanks very much for watching!
jkljlk: tx^^
dsaun [1k\]: thanks to Mr Chen, and thanks for showing
au2 [2d?\]: thanks USGO5
leego [17k\]: thx tooo
USGO5 [-\]: Join us for the Ing 4th round this afternooon at 3P local (mountain) time
ogre [2d?\]: thanks
Gizensha [?\]: how long till that?
]
)
(;B[jd]
C[USGO5 [-\]: looks like trouble
];W[ge];B[fe];W[hf];B[ee]LB[jd:A]
C[USGO5 [-\]: no eyes
USGO5 [-\]: the move at A is sharpest
]))
(;B[el]
C[flooder: could sai still win the game with white?
];W[fk];B[gj]
C[yougotPWND [5d?\]: w screwed
scottw1919 [8k\]: b k12 kills?
];W[fl]
(;B[fm];W[dl]
(;B[gl])
(;B[gk];W[gl];B[hl];W[gm];B[jh]
C[USGO5 [-\]: very hard for w to find eyes, mr cheng says
]))
(;B[ii];W[jd]
C[USGO5 [-\]: seems like it's not easy to live
])))
(;B[ej]
C[USGO5 [-\]: this seems good enough for B; w is losing
]))
(;W[jh]
C[USGO5 [-\]: maybe just here
])
(;W[ek]LB[db:3][cc:1][cd:2]
C[USGO5 [-\]: or here to help both groups
CptCaveman [2d\]: ok
leego [17k\]: e9 and where?
altrecop [1k\]: k4 for attacking lower side? 
leachy [5k\]: leego e9 to connect both white groups
USGO5 [-\]: when w settles his groups, there's aji in the corner, perhaps starting with the b1 w2 b3 sequence
jenesis [4d?\]: w1 b2 w3 ^^
USGO5 [-\]: so the game play is aji-keshi (removes possibilities)
USGO5 [-\]: other questions?
]
))
(;B[jg]
C[USGO5 [-\]: seems very dangerous
USGO5 [-\]: w's 2nd karari seems an overplay
USGO5 [-\]: risky
]
))
(;W[jh]
C[USGO5 [-\]: w must make himself safe first
USGO5 [-\]: eliminates the cut
USGO5 [-\]: provides some breathing room
USGO5 [-\]: this gives w a little breathing room
]
))
(;B[lg]TR[mg:ng]
C[USGO5 [-\]: this cut can't be good; seems hard for W
USGO5 [-\]: marked stones are key; too big to give up
]
;W[me];B[jg]
(;W[ji];B[hg])
(;W[hg];B[ki]
C[USGO5 [-\]: Not a good fight for W
])))
(;B[lg];W[me]
(;B[kh])
(;B[jg];W[hg];B[ih]
C[USGO5 [-\]: w has 2 groups, b has only one group
])))
(;W[lg]LB[mj:A]
C[USGO5 [-\]: better
USGO5 [-\]: seems like gote, but leaves followup at A
USGO5 [-\]: So B must play at A
USGO5 [-\]: sente for W
]
))
(;W[mh]
C[USGO5 [-\]: w should follow b
USGO5 [-\]: should not follow, sorry
USGO5 [-\]: outside is better
USGO5 [-\]: the cut is useless for W
]
))
(;B[og];W[oh]
C[USGO5 [-\]: w must cut
];B[oj]
C[USGO5 [-\]: this is the right sequence
];W[ri];B[mh]
C[USGO5 [-\]: the timing is different this way
USGO5 [-\]: in the game, w had a choice
USGO5 [-\]: and should not cut
]
))
(;B[og];W[oh]
C[USGO5 [-\]: possible, but then when b pushes, w creats bad shape
]))
(;W[rg]
C[USGO5 [-\]: w can respond simply
]))
(;B[pi];W[qi];B[qj];W[pj];B[oi];W[qk]
C[pdf4 [7k\]: ?
CptCaveman [2d\]: bummer
Paddlefoot [2d\]: ?
];B[rj]
C[Moppel: *inserts coin*
]
(;W[rk];B[ri];W[qh];B[pk];W[oj];B[nj];W[ok];B[pl]
C[USGO5 [-\]: problem for w\\
])
(;W[ri];B[rk];W[ql]
(;B[pk];W[oj];B[pl]
C[USGO5 [-\]: another var; still not working for w
])
(;B[qh];W[rh];B[og]
C[USGO5 [-\]: b's sente to connect
]))))
(;W[mh]TR[ph]
C[USGO5 [-\]: this makes B's move a bad move and also makes the marked stone useful
]
;B[ni];W[lj]
C[USGO5 [-\]: this seems the wrong dir for B, just helping W
ogre [2d?\]: your strong!
chimerin [2k?\]: i know right
USGO5 [-\]: anytime B comes back to connect, it'll be playing on dame; too painful
]
))
(;W[ig])
(;W[ce]
C[USGO5 [-\]: this is strongest; let the W group take care of itself
USGO5 [-\]: W doesn't have time to play the 1-point jump; he's behind on terr
]
)
(;W[mg]
C[redball [2d\]: don't see marked stones
chimerin [2k?\]: they are no longer marked
ogre [2d?\]: p14 and q12 were marked
USGO5 [-\]: Actually, tho this isn't a great move, it's better to make it now, rather than make all the exchanges in the game
]
))
(;W[je]
C[USGO5 [-\]: normal
];B[og];W[ph]
C[USGO5 [-\]: this is the natural flow
]))
(;B[rd]
(;W[pe];B[re];W[oc];B[pb];W[ob];B[qb]
C[USGO5 [-\]: normal; B gets profit and W is thin
]
(;W[nd]
C[USGO5 [-\]: this seems like too many lomes for w
])
(;W[ce];B[nb]
C[USGO5 [-\]: if w tenukies, b can play here right away and W has no eyes
MaxGoof [11k\]: lomes?
USGO5 [-\]: moves
]
))
(;W[oc];B[pb];W[od];B[ob]
C[MaxGoof [11k\]: K cause I ran to senseis library.. no such lomes
];W[re]
;B[rc];W[pf]TR[kd]
C[USGO5 [-\]: another var
ogre [2d?\]: this is joseki?
USGO5 [-\]: B still gets profit, but the marked stone is not in the right position
USGO5 [-\]: still good for B
]
)))
(;W[nd]
C[USGO5 [-\]: usually here
])
(;W[oe]))

