(;GM[1]FF[4]SZ[19]AP[SmartGo:2.5.0.0]CA[UTF-8]
GN[US Open - 2010 US Go Congress - Round 1 Board 1 - Kim, Myung Wan 7d vs Lin, Tianyu (Bill) 7d]
PW[Kim, Myung Wan]WR[7P]
PB[Lin, Tianyu (Bill)]BR[7d]
EV[2010 US Open]RO[1]
DT[2010-08-01]
PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]
KM[7.5]
US[Solomon Smilack]
RU[AGA]ST[2]
TM[7200.0]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
C[2010 US Open
Round 1 (Board 1)
2010-08-01
University of Colorado at Colorado Springs
W: Kim, Myung Wan 9P
B: Lin, Tianyu (Bill) 7d
Game recorded by Solomon Smilack
Published in the American Go E-Journal



agugglez [3k\]: what title isnt showing?
ChemBoy613 [-\]: Hey USGO, are the pairings up?
USGO1 [-\]: The pairings are up but there was an error
USGO1 [-\]: one player had been registered twice and appeared twice.
USGO1 [-\]: They will have to be redone.
USGO1 [-\]: I estimate that the new pairings will be done in ~10 minutes
USGO1 [-\]: and the games to follow after that.
ChemBoy613 [-\]: ah, ok... was the error in the top boards?
ChemBoy613 [-\]: I'm waiting to see if my wife's game will be broadcast :)
Airi [5d?\]: b is pro?
ChemBoy613 [-\]: yes
WangFei [-\]: b is 9p
ChemBoy613 [-\]: 8p i think
WangFei [-\]: look myungwan on kgs
WangFei [-\]: he is 9p now
cherisse [1k\]: only board 1 will be broadcasted right?
Violence [?\]: top 3 boards, looks like
cherisse [1k\]: for USGO2 and USGO3 ?
Violence [?\]: yeah
cherisse [1k\]: cool
ChemBoy613 [-\]: only three this year?
ChemBoy613 [-\]: aren't there normally 5 or 6?
Violence [?\]: not a big turnout
Violence [?\]: this year
ChemBoy613 [-\]: well, when people are short on cash, this might be one of the first things to go
Violence [?\]: not just that
ChemBoy613 [-\]: i wish i was there, but i have other things to take care of
Violence [?\]: this is a bad location 
ChemBoy613 [-\]: oh i know it's not that simple :)
ChemBoy613 [-\]: you're there?
Violence [?\]: nope
ChemBoy613 [-\]: I loved the portland congress :)
sweety [-\]: :D
Violence [?\]: Wasn't there either
ChemBoy613 [-\]: hey akane, do we have the pairings up yet?
sweety [-\]: i think so
ChemBoy613 [-\]: can you post a link plz?
sweety [-\]: i dont think we have the link.. yet
ChemBoy613 [-\]: well, next congress is in LA?
sweety [-\]: or SB
ChemBoy613 [-\]: SB?
sweety [-\]: Santa Barbara?
ChemBoy613 [-\]: ooohhh that place looks beautiful
ChemBoy613 [-\]: i hear they have tons of good burrito places too
Violence [?\]: either way, there will be a huge turnout...
sweety [-\]: burrito..
ChemBoy613 [-\]: yeah... i will do what i can to be there
ChemBoy613 [-\]: wake up, play go, eat burrito, play go, go to bar, drink beer... rinse and repeat :)
ChemBoy613 [-\]: not a healthy lifestyle, but a fun one for a week
USGO1 [-\]: New pairings are up. The game should begin soon.
ChemBoy613 [-\]: I can't believe Qiao isn't on one of the top three boards
Violence [?\]: Wasn't this supposed to start 45 mins ago?
Violence [?\]: I miss the old TD's in that respect...
USGO1 [-\]: Hopefully any first-day problems will be cleared up and the rest of the week will run smoothly.
yithril [2d\]: I take it you're not there violence?
Violence [?\]: nope.
yithril [2d\]: me neither but that's ok
Violence [?\]: Not very many people are there, to my knowledge
saichina [30k\]: super sunday night
yithril [2d\]: overall, or that we know?
Violence [?\]: both
ChemBoy613 [-\]: 352 registered
yithril [2d\]: wonder why
ericosman [1k\]: oh it's west coast time !  i was wondering why it hadn't started yet
hatego [3k\]: Phantastic.
ChemBoy613 [-\]: last year there were almost 300 games
Violence [?\]: I think the only one in my circle of friends who's there is my last year roommate
ChemBoy613 [-\]: i couldn't make it this year
yithril [2d\]: I'll be back for it next year, it'll be in L.A. right?
Violence [?\]: It's partly because people don't want to spend money, and partly because it's in Colorado, far from lots of Go hotspots
Violence [?\]: Yeah
Violence [?\]: LA or Santa Barbara
Violence [?\]: somewhere in Socal
uguryldz [-\]: white is 9p black?
USGO1 [-\]: Welcome to the 2010 U.S. Go Congress live broadcast of the U.S. Open in Colorado Springs, Colorado, brought to you by the American Go E-Journal, KGS and the American Go Association. Check out our website – www.usgo.org - for the latest Congress reports, photos and game records, as well as go news from around the world. 
leachy [5k\]: is your wife's game broadcast chemboy?
yithril [2d\]: that'll be a much bigger turnout
ericosman [1k\]: i used to go to all the congresses and loved them but now that i have a wife and kid, and to compound iit the anniversary and kid'sbirthday fall at congress time as well.  poor planning on my part.  i miss the congresses
USGO1 [-\]: This is round 1, board 1.  I'm Solomon Smilack, your game recorder today.
xaek: game  started?
Violence [?\]: Thanks for broadcasting, Solomon
Violence [?\]: We appreciate it.
leachy [5k\]: yeah you should have thought of that in november
Eternauta [10k\]: thanks Solomon
USGO1 [-\]: Myung Wan and Bill have not met in AGA tournament play before.
Violence [?\]: I've never heard of Bill Lin
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;B[dp];W[pd]
C[USGO1 [-\]: He is from Canada
Violence [?\]: Do you have a bit of his background?
]
;B[cd]
C[WangFei [-\]: where is players' list to congress ?
danigabi [5d\]: USGO match ups look like asian tournaments :)
Violence [?\]: Oh, I see. From where in Canada?
ChemBoy613 [-\]: us go congress website
ogre [2d?\]: mini chinese?
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;W[pq];B[nc];W[qf]
C[leachy [5k\]: chemboy is your wife's game broadcast?
];B[ic]
C[Dagobert [4d\]: is there a live stream too?
];W[cj]
C[ChemBoy613 [-\]: no, they are only boardcasting top 3 boards
USGO1 [-\]: Unfortunately there is not a video broadcast this morning.
leachy [5k\]: ;( i would barrack for her for you
ChemBoy613 [-\]: i'm trying to figure out who shes palaying
]
;B[cm]
C[hatego [3k\]: Is Andy Liu in the tournament?
saichina [30k\]: what's b's nickname on kgs?
]
;W[cg]
C[ChemBoy613 [-\]: I like B style
danigabi [5d\]: Andy Liu is in korea i think
Violence [?\]: Andy didn't go this year, I think...
cherisse [1k\]: pairing list up somewhere?
ChemBoy613 [-\]: i'm looking as well, che, but not yet
ChemBoy613 [-\]: hopefully they have it posted soon
]
;B[di]
C[notbert [7k\]: they play very fast..; isnt w 9p btw?
DangoMango [2k\]: who are these ppl
ChemBoy613 [-\]: 8p
PogoGo [?\]: because it's a standard opening
ogre [2d?\]: oh i seen this joseki before
Violence [?\]: Yes, white is 9p, and he was also tartrate
hatego [3k\]: lol
Athanor [-\]: 8p is 7d in disguise?
ChemBoy613 [-\]: kim myungwan is a pretty strong pro :)
OneColorGo [2d\]: and applebabie
ogre [2d?\]: e13 d14 
notbert [7k\]: why is he playin here under 7d?
ChemBoy613 [-\]: AGA ranks only go to 7d
ogre [2d?\]: so
notbert [7k\]: ah
Violence [?\]: Normal mini chinese sequence
ogre [2d?\]: c11 d13 
notbert [7k\]: k ty
Athanor [-\]: how convenient for him
hatego [3k\]: Not this tartrate speculation again.
USGO1 [-\]: The highest AGA rank is 7d, regardless of rating.
cherisse [1k\]: oh, this was the tartrate
Violence [?\]: c11 d14, I think.
ogre [2d?\]: d10 d13  also tried
Airi [5d?\]: q3 such a strong move
Dagobert [4d\]: e13 possible too
ChemBoy613 [-\]: I still can't believe Qiao isn't top 3 boards
ogre [2d?\]: not d14
will122166 [3k\]: I thought 8D was the highest
ogre [2d?\]: c11 d13 
hatego [3k\]: Breakfast speculated it was Myung-wan, that is all. ^^ /eod
USGO1 [-\]: But I do not believe that Myung Wan has lost in his last dozen+ games, so his rating is quite high.
Athanor [-\]: Qiao?
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;W[eg]
C[ogre [2d?\]: d14 
danigabi [5d\]: rating talk outside pls
ogre [2d?\]: this is good move
ChemBoy613 [-\]: Shiyao Qiao 1p, she's a friend of ours
Violence [?\]: nice, a positivie play
danigabi [5d\]: standard
XY0908 [-\]: E13 unexpected?
Airi [5d?\]: why no handicap?
danigabi [5d\]: black c11
Athanor [-\]: ok
ericosman [1k\]: in the future someone will figure out a way to interface game clocks to the internet so that when we watch aga tournament game here the red numbers will show the actual player's times
danigabi [5d\]: white E16
Q161 [?\]: is b also a pro?
leachy [5k\]: one day someone stronger than tartrate will play on kgs for fun and end all speculation about who tartrate is
ogre [2d?\]: d14 here to prevent easy e16
ChemBoy613 [-\]: not ot my knowledge, 161
danigabi [5d\]: d14 is a blunder
xaek: yes erico
ogre [2d?\]: woah
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;B[ci];W[ed]
C[danigabi [5d\]: c11 is only move
ogre [2d?\]: d14 not blunder
xaek: futureseer
hatego [3k\]: Demo clocks should just run normally to give an estimate of player's time, imo.
ogre [2d?\]: i just watched a lecture on it from 9p
Violence [?\]: A nice and positive play
wuwei [4k\]: ericosman, this is a matter of will, not of technology
Dagobert [4d\]: hatego: technically not possible
Violence [?\]: I like this game already
F525 [15k\]: How come I can't backtrack the moves?
XY0908 [-\]: Same here, Violence.
ogre [2d?\]: this is old sequence
ericosman [1k\]: that's a very good point, if demo clocks ran, then since the game recording people click on this board approcimately right after each move is made, we would have pretty good indication of the time
OneColorGo [2d\]: F525 either click options  clone or options view offine
Korenn [?\]: F525: because it's a demonstration, not a game on kgs
DangoMango [2k\]: what? never seen such sequence
Dagobert [4d\]: f525: clone the game or view offline
uguryldz [-\]: white is legendery tartrate:)
DangoMango [2k\]: old should be w c11?
yosogo [1d\]: both are pro?
PogoGo [?\]: oh, how i missed you, kgs kibitz.
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;B[ee]
C[Itch [8k\]: my keyboard only goes to F12...
Violence [?\]: black isn't a pro
purun [5k\]: if you want to bactrack maybe "view offline" option can help
Violence [?\]: whoa
hatego [3k\]: Of course it is technically possible. Just a little repgramming would be necessary.
USGO1 [-\]: I believe this is Bill's first AGA tournament.
OneColorGo [2d\]: e15 seems too much to me ><
MohamedBM [8k?\]: The demo will be saved on USGO' s acount? Because I need to go soon and can't watch the whole match. 
leachy [5k\]: your keyboard aint fast enough
ChemBoy613 [-\]: only the second board looks different
Q161 [?\]: USGO why isnt bbw in the first 3 boards?
Dagobert [4d\]: e15? is that common?
F525 [15k\]: What does this mean? Are they playing while they know what their opponents will play or something?
Violence [?\]: wow, this looks awful... isn't this overplay?
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;W[de];B[dd]
C[Dagobert [4d\]: i have no idea about this fuseki
ChemBoy613 [-\]: i guess if w captures in the ladder, b thinks taking the corner is enough?
cherisse [1k\]: the tag feature is pretty handy, MohamedBM
]
;W[ec]
C[Violence [?\]: I think it's horrible for black in that case
barakeel [3d\]: takin the corner is too big
danigabi [5d\]: b bad
Violence [?\]: what're you going to do here?
ChemBoy613 [-\]: yeah, now this is looking not so good
ericosman [1k\]: with white having so much komi i'm a bit surprised white insisted on getting scarbbly and chippy rather than building his own area first
xaek: b resign
xaek: :)
OneColorGo [2d\]: might be a short game :s
barakeel [3d\]: i bet both will live
hatego [3k\]: You mean "B's position is bad." Don't be rude, dani.
danigabi [5d\]: b cannot think of anything but f15
Violence [?\]: eric, it looks to me like white allowed black solid territory so that he could quash the potential
Dagobert [4d\]: g ois more than just living, barakeel
ChemBoy613 [-\]: two years ago, my wife's first open game, she played white and she said he's so strong that it takes all her mind to to even try to keep up with this thinking
barakeel [3d\]: black can think about d14
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;B[fe]
C[ChemBoy613 [-\]: he's really fierce
sweety [-\]: Jennie Shen 2p's game commentary on board1 is starting. Please join her demo too!
Violence [?\]: I think black is farfetched here...
ChemBoy613 [-\]: hey Akane, any parings yet? :)
danigabi [5d\]: who ChemBoy, white ?
F525 [15k\]: What's the game called?
ChemBoy613 [-\]: yes, two years ago
F525 [15k\]: I thought this was board 1.
sweety [-\]: not yet, CB
Violence [?\]: White is indeed the favorite to win
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;W[ce]
C[ChemBoy613 [-\]: :(  ok :'(
danigabi [5d\]: i played him recently, a fast paced game
leachy [5k\]: chemboy i envy thee....to have a wife skilled at go
ChemBoy613 [-\]: <-- sad chemboy
danigabi [5d\]: got crushed worse than ever in years :S
Airi [5d?\]: resign time
USGO1 [-\]: Myung Wan swept the 2008 and 2009 US Open, as well as the SPOT1 tournament in June of this year.
ChemBoy613 [-\]: i don't see how this is good for B
wolokom [5k\]: is this yoseki?
danigabi [5d\]: i want to believe b had prepared something
danigabi [5d\]: becase b chose this fuseki and sequence
DangoMango [2k\]: what is yoseki?
Eternauta [10k\]: haha
Goprince [3d\]: just d18?
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;B[db]
C[Eternauta [10k\]: noseki
Violence [?\]: I can believe that black didn't expect E13
AroundOneD [2d\]: d18
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;W[dc]
C[Violence [?\]: but I don't think the result here will be good for him
danigabi [5d\]: if thats the case
]
;B[cc];W[eb]
C[danigabi [5d\]: he didnt prepare the fuseki at all
ChemBoy613 [-\]: which way will you connect B?
AroundOneD [2d\]: b18 ko
Airi [5d?\]: this is game over
garewt: who is black?
ChemBoy613 [-\]: B surely can't play that ko so early
Violence [?\]: D11 is usually responded at C11, it's conceivable he expected white to connect
Goprince [3d\]: b wins libv race if it become that but surely w must have a tesuji or he would be left with 2 weak gorups
Korenn [?\]: there is no ko in the opening ;)
OneColorGo [2d\]: seems there is a big variance in 7ds in AGA ranks
ChemBoy613 [-\]: there is
Violence [?\]: Well, yeah, of course there is
ChemBoy613 [-\]: and i heard 7d >>> 6d
Violence [?\]: we truncated our ranks
ChemBoy613 [-\]: like ti's a big jump
AroundOneD [2d\]: w has g16
ChemBoy613 [-\]: yeah, exactliy A1D
OneColorGo [2d\]: truncated without any rank adjustments?
danigabi [5d\]: b can generate a ko threat with black b15
Violence [?\]: no rank adjustments, just truncated
OneColorGo [2d\]: wow
OneColorGo [2d\]: extreme :)
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;B[be];W[bf];B[bd];W[gd]
C[fuckyou1: hi
Airi [5d?\]: hi
ChemBoy613 [-\]: banned
Airi [5d?\]: why?
Eternauta [10k\]: please dont feed the idiot
OneColorGo [2d\]: b18 kills totally when w has time
danigabi [5d\]: the position is still copmlicated
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;B[eh]
C[Airi [5d?\]: bad move
danigabi [5d\]: why?
AroundOneD [2d\]: g15 1st then e12
fuckyou1: why
Violence [?\]: this move's fine
go1d [4d\]: e14 
wuwei [4k\]: oh, the idiot has a method
OneColorGo [2d\]: e14 is a painful shape for w
GoVortex [6d\]: g14 ?
AroundOneD [2d\]: g15 better now
ChemBoy613 [-\]: wuwei - 4k is not one to talk
ChemBoy613 [-\]: be considerated
ChemBoy613 [-\]: erm
ChemBoy613 [-\]: considerater
ChemBoy613 [-\]: >.<
ChemBoy613 [-\]: i can't type
danigabi [5d\]: g14 interesting
Airi [5d?\]: stop flood
fuckyou1: 4k ,shut up please.
micek [5d\]: any broadcast?
OneColorGo [2d\]: nope
go1d [4d\]: yes g14 look nice
cloudo [2k\]: g15
Eternauta [10k\]: finally one admin woke up
Airi [5d?\]: why is w thinking so long
danigabi [5d\]: g14 is very thin
Eternauta [10k\]: thats why hes strong at GO
danigabi [5d\]: he wants to make sure he is not missing something
agugglez [3k\]: how old is black?
OneColorGo [2d\]: i think g14 works
Violence [?\]: I think it's hard to speculate on what white is reading
wolokom [5k\]: b gets a wall i think w will loose 
Goprince [3d\]: well a mistake here ends game for either side prety much so yea...
danigabi [5d\]: its very easy to speculate, Violence :)
Airi [5d?\]: pro can read 100 moves in 10 seconds
yun85 [2k\]: wheres the wall?
Violence [?\]: I mean, accurately, dani
OneColorGo [2d\]: speculation isn't famed for its accuracy :)
Violence [?\]: whenever I watch his games, I'm usually surprised at the kinds of things he considers
Violence [?\]: But I can't really find a good move here for white, to be honest
danigabi [5d\]: G14 seems to work
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;W[dh]
C[yun85 [2k\]: white wants to fight
Violence [?\]: I thought if G14, then D14
danigabi [5d\]: C14
Violence [?\]: oh, nm
wolokom [5k\]: he must
USGO1 [-\]: Myung Wan considered this move for a long time - his hand hovered over his bowl for a while.
Violence [?\]: I thought you meant G15, I'm looking at the board sideways
USGO1 [-\]: Now Bill is leaning over the board, stone in hand...
OneColorGo [2d\]: still, b must be stronger than his moves look as made w think for a long time
Violence [?\]: I think white would think for a long time regardless of opponent
mhelvens [?\]: USGO1, you're just as good as a video feed. :-)
bjoerni [7k\]: well, may also be the sign that white ponders a crushing move
agugglez [3k\]: lol
danigabi [5d\]: im not sure what w found with g14
danigabi [5d\]: but if black plays E11 now, g14 is inminent
OneColorGo [2d\]: maybe g14 c18 and w didnt like taking sente with thin shape?
danigabi [5d\]: fighting spirit calls for G15
GoVortex [6d\]: or f13
singleCPU [5d\]: g14 b still can get out
USGO1 [-\]: A video feed cannot express how hot this room is becoming - there are ~25 boards here, 50 players, a heap of spectators taking photos...
Airi [5d?\]: where is video
danigabi [5d\]: how, singleCPU
danigabi [5d\]: please provide a full sequence after G14
kostuek [-\]: kyu spirit calls for f13
singleCPU [5d\]: b d13, d14
jwc [-\]: why not f13?
]
;B[ge]
C[singleCPU [5d\]: although after b comes out 2 stones, w still better to me
Violence [?\]: E11, I think
danigabi [5d\]: i still dont know what u are thinking singleCPU
OneColorGo [2d\]: i think CPUs sequence was before D12 got played?
Eternauta [10k\]: human mind is impossible to understand
Eternauta [10k\]: why ask?
Q161 [?\]: impossible for 10k maybe
Bauer [1d\]: time for c18 and ko ?
Violence [?\]: hmm...
danigabi [5d\]: what ko
Violence [?\]: E11 isn't so clear cut...
OneColorGo [2d\]: eg g14 d13 e14 d14 c14 f14 f13 g13 f12 g15 (but only before d12...
singleCPU [5d\]: what i am saying is that after w g14, b can escape the two stones by d13, w e14, b d14, wc14, b f14, w f13, b g13, w f12, bg15
Yggdrasil [6k\]: Perdonad, esta partida se puede ver por VIDEO?
danigabi [5d\]: the stones get squeezed
Eternauta [10k\]: no
OneColorGo [2d\]: singlescpu - hold control and click will make your life easier ;-)
danigabi [5d\]: and b sacrifices 2 stones
danigabi [5d\]: as good as lost
OneColorGo [2d\]: but he broke the net dani, that was the challenge :)
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;W[hd]
C[USGO1 [-\]: You might consider the demonstration game by Jennie Shen 2p
Airi [5d?\]: my move
Airi [5d?\]: im so strong
agugglez [3k\]: complicated
Eternauta [10k\]: fake dan rank
Eternauta [10k\]: i had 2d? rank also, is kgs bug
singleCPU [5d\]: the questions is that after b escape the two stones, b gained on the upper side, w gained big left side 
GoVortex [6d\]: black f13 or i will not wach this game :-) 
Eternauta [10k\]: i dont see W left big side
jwc [-\]: f13 e11 f12 d10 c12 
singleCPU [5d\]: maybe that's why w didn't take that move
GoVortex [6d\]: :-)
Eternauta [10k\]: now B go G12 or G13?
Goprince [3d\]: doubt f13 works
Weishenme [4d\]: f13 only move :)
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;B[fh]
C[sadfs: a new world women championship is coming up in september
GoVortex [6d\]: no way 
sadfs: i woder if jennie shen would try to qualify
singleCPU [5d\]: oh, GoVortex still watching :)
sadfs: yes, september in suchow, china
taiji [2d\]: Rui Naiwei would win
yun85 [2k\]: erm, this isnt gd for white right?
sadfs: i am talking about US rep
GoVortex [6d\]: push cut kill bill
sadfs: Rui cannot play for US
taiji [2d\]: she lived there
sadfs: no
Violence [?\]: But she can't play for us
sadfs: who are the strong women at the congress?
Eternauta [10k\]: me
jwc [-\]: GoVortex [6d\]: black f13 or i will not wach this game :-)   ;)
danigabi [5d\]: c17 group has too many libs
AroundOneD [2d\]: Rui is still Chinese citizen.
ecniv [7k\]: why i can't rewind game for watch from begining?
will122166 [3k\]: you have to clone it
Airi [5d?\]: f13 
zen [1d\]: options->view offline
Eternauta [10k\]: make a clone or choose view offline
ecniv [7k\]: ok thx
Eternauta [10k\]: this is live relay, like a teaching mode
Bauer [1d\]: f13 is forced, i think
taiji [2d\]: is black also pro?
Eternauta [10k\]: pro or not, they are same level
Airi [5d?\]: lol no
XY0908 [-\]: Yes sir.
Eternauta [10k\]: pros dont get more or less liberties than amateurs
XY0908 [-\]: Mr, Kim is a professional.
wolokom [5k\]: can annyone give me the adress of tv?
XY0908 [-\]: No live feed.
wolokom [5k\]: oh
jwc [-\]: no ' usagotv' 
Eternauta [10k\]: no, europeans still lead in the imagination race
AroundOneD [2d\]: f13
XY0908 [-\]: dani, what is next w's move here?
GoVortex [6d\]: resign
GoVortex [6d\]: push and cut
Eternauta [10k\]: W? b11
singleCPU [5d\]: iw f13
GoVortex [6d\]: for an intristing game
XY0908 [-\]: F13 is a must?
jwc [-\]: although eurogotv-us does exist
singleCPU [5d\]: seems to be, b don'ts have good move
Eternauta [10k\]: yes its Eirogotv idea
kostuek [-\]: b12?
XY0908 [-\]: B12 is too passive?
singleCPU [5d\]: b can give up f15 3 stones, build a huge wall 
hatego [3k\]: How many rounds are played today, uno?
clydesdale [3k\]: thats what I was going to suggest (b12)
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;W[fg]
C[Airi [5d?\]: my move again
Airi [5d?\]: maybe i should take the pro test
AroundOneD [2d\]: hehe
USGO1 [-\]: One round of the US Open is played each morning this week.
Eternauta [10k\]: they dont accept 1k with fake ranks
hatego [3k\]: Thank you.
Airi [5d?\]: b in trouble
singleCPU [5d\]: if b g13, wg12 then b has no good move
USGO1 [-\]: In the evenings we will be bringing you live broadcasts of the North American Masters Tournament
Bauer [1d\]: i did not see any alternativ to f13
]
;B[fd]
C[AroundOneD [2d\]: f16 no use
Airi [5d?\]: yeah
Goprince [3d\]: useful probe
Violence [?\]: G18?
AroundOneD [2d\]: g17
Eternauta [10k\]: tenuki
USGO1 [-\]: All good guesses :D
]
;W[gb]
C[singleCPU [5d\]: oh, quite unexpected, that's the difference between 5d and 7d :)
]
;B[he]
C[Airi [5d?\]: aga 7d maybe 4d kgs
just9x9 [-\]: the difference between 5d and 7d is one liberty i thought
singleCPU [5d\]: i never thought of f16 move :(
GoVortex [6d\]: w g12 
AroundOneD [2d\]: g13
Emerson [5k\]: I thought AGA ranks were stronger compared to KGS?
Eternauta [10k\]: needs J16 first
cloudo [2k\]: kgs is the strongest
just9x9 [-\]: lol
Goprince [3d\]: weaker emerdon
Goprince [3d\]: emerson
iBanker [3d\]: kgs+2=aga
AroundOneD [2d\]: w lives upside anyway
Emerson [5k\]: So I could be a 3k?
Goprince [3d\]: yea maybe
Eternauta [10k\]: not anyway
iBanker [3d\]: yeah
just9x9 [-\]: not in korea emerson :)
hatego [3k\]: 1k +2 = 3k?
Emerson [5k\]: That makes me feel happy inside.
Q161 [?\]: so how come there are 9d kgs who are 7d aga? :D
Bauer [1d\]: g13 only move i think
AroundOneD [2d\]: g13 to see e11 cut
Hangovers [3k\]: 7d the highest rank in AGA?
WoolyMaCha [5k\]:   yeah
Eternauta [10k\]: leave rank obsession for other time please, only the moves on the board matter to play GO
iBanker [3d\]: aga rating goes up to 9
Emerson [5k\]: hatego I think it goes kgs+2=aga for 1d+, and kgs-2=aga for kyuus like me.
AroundOneD [2d\]: g13 force b to play j16
Emerson [5k\]: iBanker are you sure?  I thought highest amateur rank was 7d.
iBanker [3d\]: rank is capped at 7
iBanker [3d\]: rating goes up to 9
jwc [-\]: g13 f17 f18 g17 
Emerson [5k\]: oh
taiji [2d\]: since w is 9p, 7d must be top
cloudo [2k\]: noodles
Eternauta [10k\]: but not any stone has more than 5 liberties, nno matter the rank
Eternauta [10k\]: 4* 
wuwei [4k\]: phew
cloudo [2k\]: of course
cloudo [2k\]: iron pillar has 6
Yanwangye [-\]: japan =7d highest amat. rang.. china= 9...
Yanwangye [-\]: 9d*
Emerson [5k\]: What's an iron pillar?  Two stones connected?
AroundOneD [2d\]: w has c18 to live
cloudo [2k\]: yes
hatego [3k\]: Yes.
Airi [5d?\]: yes
trilobyte [?\]: myungwan has highest rating in AGA at 10.06446
cloudo [2k\]: no
Airi [5d?\]: maybe
singleCPU [5d\]: hi iBanker, welcome back!
Emerson [5k\]: wow, nice.
cloudo [2k\]: perhaps
iBanker [3d\]: hi
iBanker [3d\]: how are you
hngryhippo [3k\]: possibly
iBanker [3d\]: are you at congress?
]
;W[cb];B[bb];W[da]
C[singleCPU [5d\]: no, too weak still for congress..
AroundOneD [2d\]: no, 5d amatuer  is the highest in China. 
iBanker [3d\]: haha
iBanker [3d\]: if i were to go
notbert [7k\]: is b pro too? would be strange to see an amateur win against a 9dan professionel
hngryhippo [3k\]: except if you win one of a couple of major amatuer tourneis
iBanker [3d\]: i could play in the ing master
hngryhippo [3k\]: then you can be 6d ama in china
Goprince [3d\]: not that strange notbert
Aokame2: isnt kim pro? why is he only aga 7d?
wuwei [4k\]: depends on the amateur and the pro, notbert
]
;B[ba];W[ac];B[ab];W[id]
C[iBanker [3d\]: heh
];B[ie]
C[iBanker [3d\]: w has resources to live
AroundOneD [2d\]: playing like this, w would lose
iBanker [3d\]: w will probably go k16
AroundOneD [2d\]: g13 too big
iBanker [3d\]: or k15
AroundOneD [2d\]: k16 also nice to b
iBanker [3d\]: k15 maybe better
GoVortex [6d\]: w g12 
singleCPU [5d\]: i like k16
lwhite [5d\]: who vat who
singleCPU [5d\]: since w a14 sente, w can live
lwhite [5d\]: vs
Eternauta [10k\]: W will play left side now, to balance?
Eternauta [10k\]: needs G12 or something
Emerson [5k\]: to live
AroundOneD [2d\]: either g13 or g12 a must now
iBanker [3d\]: g12 is good too
Eternauta [10k\]: a14 not now, but later, right?
]
;W[ae];B[bc]
C[Eternauta [10k\]: oh
iBanker [3d\]: b11 is also interesting
lwhite [5d\]: who vs who?
Airi [5d?\]: black vs white
wuwei [4k\]: its written in 3 different places
Eternauta [10k\]: he got tired of black  walking style
iBanker [3d\]: i kinda like b 11
Eternauta [10k\]: b11 for W
kill [-\]: what kinds of game is this?
Eternauta [10k\]: a good one
kill [-\]: I mean it is not the official tournament right?
Violence [?\]: It is
fireball [1k\]: backed
]
;W[jd]
C[Violence [?\]: US Open, round 1, board 1.
kill [-\]: ohh
kill [-\]: aHH
kill [-\]: I thought it was egc
ogre [2d?\]: anyone know how this variation is supposed to go?
]
;B[df]
C[kill [-\]: (should first read)
wuwei [4k\]: yes
Eternauta [10k\]: dont you see all them wearing cowboy hats?
iBanker [3d\]: w maybe able to play else where now
iBanker [3d\]: say k4
lwhite [5d\]: can't read the full description 
Airi [5d?\]: this tournament is for the chinese who live in usa
USGO1 [-\]: Welcome to the 2010 U.S. Go Congress live broadcast of the U.S. Open in Colorado Springs, Colorado, brought to you by the American Go E-Journal, KGS and the American Go Association. Check out our website – www.usgo.org - for the latest Congress reports, photos and game records, as well as go news from around the world.
lwhite [5d\]: phone screen too small
Eternauta [10k\]: haha, Airi, dont troll here now
USGO1 [-\]: This is round 1, board 1.  I'm Solomon Smilack, your game recorder today.
iBanker [3d\]: yeah
iBanker [3d\]: maybe tenuki isn't so good as b becomes super thick
lwhite [5d\]: Solomon who is Blak and who is white
Eternauta [10k\]: see the names
Eternauta [10k\]: lwhite
singleCPU [5d\]: i like b so far, i still think when b D11, w should c11 w
Airi [5d?\]: strange for w to play k16 if he wasnt prepared for d14
lwhite [5d\]: can't see it phone screen chop it off
Bauer [1d\]: w is tartrade, but plays strange
yiqou [5d\]: what is the time left for both players
AroundOneD [2d\]: w is close to the broken
Emerson [5k\]: White is tartrate?
lwhite [5d\]: 2 hour+ b
XY0908 [-\]: I am wondering what goes on Mr. Kim's mind right now ;-)
Emerson [5k\]: Kim is a woman isn't she?  
Violence [?\]: he's a dude.
Eternauta [10k\]: Kim Myung Wan vs Lin Tianny
Emerson [5k\]: Hrm... How come her picture is a woman?  
frank9 [16k\]: Black is Lin, Tianyu (Bill) 7Dan
hatego [3k\]: Picture in the lecture is Jennie Shen 2p.
Emerson [5k\]: ohh
Eternauta [10k\]: Kim = male
XY0908 [-\]: haha
AroundOneD [2d\]: Myung wan is male name in Korean
Eternauta [10k\]: Jennie Shen is a different erson
Emerson [5k\]: ok
Eternauta [10k\]: person *
AroundOneD [2d\]: Kim is last name
yiqou [5d\]: each player has 2 hours or 3 hours?
frank9 [16k\]: White is Kim, Myung Wan 7 Dan
Emerson [5k\]: Sadly I'm half korean so I should know that ><
AroundOneD [2d\]: Tianyu is a male name in China
cloudo [2k\]: thats really sad
iBanker [3d\]: lol
wuwei [4k\]: you should know half of it, Amarson
Emerson [5k\]: So is Kim Myung Wan really tartrate?
XY0908 [-\]: Dani, what is your prediction on next W's move?
iBanker [3d\]: how can you be so sure aroundOneD
]
;W[cn]
C[Airi [5d?\]: loool
AroundOneD [2d\]: hehe
iBanker [3d\]: w tenukis
Airi [5d?\]: its dead
AroundOneD [2d\]: not 100% sure
hatego [3k\]: Interesting.
GoVortex [6d\]: what is this ?
wuwei [4k\]: looks like w made a mistake in the early game
XY0908 [-\]: C6 is an awesome move.
blitz99: is w pro?
kurikuri [1d\]: c6 is a probe?
iBanker [3d\]: w's trying to neutralize b's influence
Grimalkin [2k\]: yes blitz, he is
AroundOneD [2d\]: this means I give up but I want to win
GoVortex [6d\]: is a fog
blitz99: and b?
wuwei [4k\]: lol
gentlesnow [6d\]: then why 7d instead of 7p?
iBanker [3d\]: w is 9p
blitz99: and where can i see his rating?
evanj [2d\]: wow
iBanker [3d\]: just do a google search of his name
arbi [5k\]: so he is a bit strong i guess
cloudo [2k\]: what is with e13 group? and why are the cuttingsstones c15 not important?
blitz99: ok thanks
GreenSun [1d\]: this kind of move is more fearsome when played by a9p ^^
AroundOneD [2d\]: d7 is the best here
USGO1 [-\]: Myung Wan's AGA rating is 10.06 on account of never having lost an AGA game.
gentlesnow [6d\]: can be different people with same name
]
;B[dm]
C[hatego [3k\]: USGO, do you need to be an US citizen win this tournament?
evanj [2d\]: 10.06 .. hahaha
kurikuri [1d\]: c4?
wuwei [4k\]: b plays safe, w will need more smoke
Airi [5d?\]: ¬ ‿'¨¨
iBanker [3d\]: c6 d7 exchange w gains a little
jim [6d\]: B9 now some aji now
iBanker [3d\]: good time to b11?
iBanker [3d\]: and then b9?
AroundOneD [2d\]: no hope for w, played too low
USGO1 [-\]: I believe the tournament is Open Tournament is just that - Open to all...
Airi [5d?\]: how many rounds in a day?
USGO1 [-\]: Find out more at http://www.gocongress.org/
evanj [2d\]: just 1 airi
USGO1 [-\]: Myung Wan has 1hr 16min left, Bill has 1hr 34min remaining.
wuwei [4k\]: how's the clock situation?
wuwei [4k\]: oh
USGO1 [-\]: ^
Airi [5d?\]: ok
USGO1 [-\]: Ah here we go
USGO1 [-\]: http://www.gocongress.org/faq.php#open
USGO1 [-\]: Beginners and professionals alike may play in the US Open. You may play in the US Open regardless of your citizenship status.
Q161 [?\]: us open = us go congress?
USGO1 [-\]: There are many tournaments during the US Go Congress, the US Open is just one of them.
Goreon [2d\]: is w tartrate?
USGO1 [-\]: http://www.gocongress.org/events.php
USGO1 [-\]: w is not tartrate
]
;W[cq]
C[hatego [3k\]: Thanks for the info USGO.
];B[dq]
C[USGO1 [-\]: It's my pleasure.
USGO1 [-\]: I believe that w played as MyungWan on KGS for the Spot1 tournament. 
USGO1 [-\]: But I don't know if he uses any other KGS account...
]
;W[cp]
C[ibd [5k?\]: b5?
USGO1 [-\]: There are many spectators now - I suspect that the games in the main room are finishing.
]
;B[bn];W[ei];B[dg]
C[toffee [3d\]: w is so outplayed by b.
Aokame2: whats b aga ranking? 9d or 8d?
baltimore [?\]: aga ranking stops at 7d
Aokame2: nope, thats egf
Aokame2: it was always till 9d, in last years
shindon [-\]: no AGA stops at 7dan
Aokame2: 9,5 d > Jie Li
Aokame2: i watched many uc congresses
Aokame2: us*
]
;W[ch];B[bi]
C[Aokame2: how comes they stop at 7d now? did they changed it?
wuwei [4k\]: seems w going for the centre
shindon [-\]: b having a hrad time
shindon [-\]: hard*(
bigballoon: why is Myung Wan demoted? he's  or 9 dan.
AroundOneD [2d\]: b ok
wuwei [4k\]: we definitely need a FAQ here
wuwei [4k\]: like a tab or something
]
;W[bo]
C[ecniv [7k\]: b11 kill w right?
hatego [3k\]: People would still ask the same questions, wuwei.
AroundOneD [2d\]: I just see w is strugggling
]
;B[dn]
C[Aokame2: as cornel beat ji lie, some years ago, he was aga 8d (egf 6d), and jie li was aga 9d
Aokame2: when egf 6d participated, they were aga 8d, since when did they stop at 7d?
Violence [?\]: the AGA truncated the ratings
Eternauta [10k\]: people still with the rank discussion here?
AroundOneD [2d\]: you can see so many w stones wasted
XY0908 [-\]: 9th time we have discussed with the same subject since the game began...
]
;W[do]
C[Eternauta [10k\]: why dont watch the game and try to learn something?
]
;B[eo];W[co]
C[Aokame2: cant u just say they changed system?
wuwei [4k\]: as w is having problems, people try to find explanation
AroundOneD [2d\]: not losing is a surprise
bigballoon: so these are new formal international open ranks, then.
michi2009 [6d\]: b7
MRSA [7d\]: d2
USGO1 [-\]: Try http://www.usgo.org/ratings/ 
]
;B[fp];W[ej]
C[AroundOneD [2d\]: g12
];B[fi]
C[wuwei [4k\]: I though g11, but this is weird
NorthWind [5k\]: what time did the game start ?
Aokame2: XY, im not talking why kim myung wan is 7d here. im curious why they changed the system. i cant figure it out usgo by ur link. so did ratings officially stop at 7d? this is about aga sytem in general, if u dont like it dont act high, thats not about game. who cares. kim myung wan was finalist of fujitsu cup, attended final rounds
AroundOneD [2d\]: g11 or g12 both fine for the local
Eternauta [10k\]: dont write long posts here, nobody read them
baltimore [?\]: ratings are uncapped; ranks go up to 7dan
XY0908 [-\]: To prevent possible ko?
yiqou [5d\]: yes
yiqou [5d\]: 7d's are not allowed to play ko
]
;W[jp]
C[AroundOneD [2d\]: w has f10 with g11
ChemBoy613 [-\]: Hey guys are the pairings up yet?
Sjonny [8k\]: what about g 13? :p
XY0908 [-\]: Aokame2, sorry.
]
;B[fj]
C[roussos [3k\]: What!? No ko? What are you talking about?
];W[oc]
C[wuwei [4k\]: w is berserk
Sjonny [8k\]: white gave up on it ?
Itch [8k\]: white going for a moyo ?
AroundOneD [2d\]: f10 slow?
evanj [2d\]: very big
GoVortex [6d\]: finally a normal move :-)
ChemBoy613 [-\]: hey guys are the pairings up yet?
AroundOneD [2d\]: but b too ctred in the left side
Aokame2: so official aga ranking always went till 7d , maybe this 9d thing was for better pairing at usgo congress? a tourney thing?
alexanderp [?\]: May I ask, is it a coincidence that AGA Champ and Eurochamp are at the same time?
]
;B[nd]
C[GoVortex [6d\]: o14 
hatego [3k\]: Not at the same time, different time zones.
hatego [3k\]: One is GMT+2 the other is GMT-7, I think.
alexanderp [?\]: I mean of course same days and weeks.
alexanderp [?\]: I know about different timezones.
XY0908 [-\]: How about  at Q5?
Q161 [?\]: euro one started last week
zife [6k\]: technically it's GMT+3 in finland because we use DST
hatego [3k\]: Oh, okay, sorry.
croc [5d\]: if b wins it will be quite a surprise
alexanderp [?\]: I mean, USGO and tomorrow will be 6th round of Euro
Aokame2: european go congree takes place in finnland right now, alexader
carrotcake [1d\]: why?  isn't b winning now?
alexanderp [?\]: Aokame, I know it, that's the point. Okay, nevermind.
AroundOneD [2d\]: l14 nice point to me
evanj [2d\]: the answer is that yes, it is a coincidence
]
;W[ld]
C[indianayk [4d\]: w needs to attack o16
AroundOneD [2d\]: y
ibd [5k?\]: o13
GoVortex [6d\]: m16 is strange
GoVortex [6d\]: blay from the strong stones
GoVortex [6d\]: play 
evanj [2d\]: but keeps separation?
Goprince [3d\]: those sotnes not so storng
]
;B[of]
C[indianayk [4d\]: w puts more emphasis on the outside
ibd [5k?\]: n14
]
;W[pf]
C[ChemBoy613 [-\]: HEY GUYS... ARE THE PAIRINGS UP YET???
Aokame2: where idiany? b controls center f-11 wall
ChemBoy613 [-\]: anyone?
]
;B[og]
C[evanj [2d\]: what pairings
];W[pi]
C[Athanor [-\]: pairing? what do you mean?
Q161 [?\]: chemboy you are a weirdo
ChemBoy613 [-\]: for the open
hatego [3k\]: I don't see any ont he website.
ChemBoy613 [-\]: me either
evanj [2d\]: then no
evanj [2d\]: they aren't up
ChemBoy613 [-\]: ugh :(  ok...
croc [5d\]: b has a good chance to win now, even facing a pro 
evanj [2d\]: i hope that answers your question
]
;B[lf]
C[Eternauta [10k\]: look in the website, pairings are not here
DangoMango [2k\]: for b to lose, b has to make a huge mistake
Eternauta [10k\]: this is to watch and comment about the game
gojustingo [8k\]: r5 
Q161 [?\]: b already made huge mistake
Q161 [?\]: sitting across table from myung wan
WoolyMaCha [5k\]: haha
Q161 [?\]: :)
bjoerni [7k\]: why should black be better here ?
wuwei [4k\]: After p17, the game changed
WoolyMaCha [5k\]: not his choice
ChemBoy613 [-\]: q161, you're in the room?
Q161 [?\]: yes
AroundOneD [2d\]: l14
ChemBoy613 [-\]: can you please check and see who Xingshuo Liu is playing?
ChemBoy613 [-\]: she should only be a few boards down
Athanor [-\]: wow b is good
Q161 [?\]: oh no lol im not at congress
XY0908 [-\]: Your wife?
AroundOneD [2d\]: keep pressure on b
AroundOneD [2d\]: l14
Eternauta [10k\]: Chemboy, why dont you use Private Message?
mrkibbles [?\]: hi person sitting next to me on the couch
ChemBoy613 [-\]: oh, sorry i misunderstood you :)
VariantVL [2k?\]: So, whos at the congress right now?
wuwei [4k\]: everybody, you're not?
ChemBoy613 [-\]: i'm actualy leaving in a second, i just want to know who my wife plays
]
;W[kf]
C[Eternauta [10k\]: im sorry, i cannot help you
VariantVL [2k?\]: yay
VariantVL [2k?\]: thats the move i thought of playing.
cloudo [2k\]: why not phone her?
hatego [3k\]: Because she is playing a game?
Q161 [?\]: in the middle of game? lol
evanj [2d\]: hahah
]
;B[ob]
C[NorthWind [5k\]: lol
];W[pb];B[od];W[pc];B[ke]
C[Eternauta [10k\]: that will lead to divorce
];W[je];B[jf]
C[cloudo [2k\]: why not pjone her befor the game?
];W[kg]
C[Autumn [-\]: lol
Opul3nce [6k\]: anyone actually from USA?
hatego [3k\]: "Hey, hon, who you playing?" "... I hate you."
Autumn [-\]: I am
singleCPU [5d\]: p18, p16 not good move
USGO1 [-\]: the players went through that sequence very quickly
cherisse [1k\]: "don't call me on byo yomi!"
VariantVL [2k?\]: everyone here.
evanj [2d\]: yes, 300 million of us
VariantVL [2k?\]: lol.
DangoMango [2k\]: another fight in black's favor 
Eternauta [10k\]: this is complicated sequence
VariantVL [2k?\]: hmm
Opul3nce [6k\]: evanj? I though you were a brit..by the times you tend to be online
wuwei [4k\]: that's a lot of people, evanj
zen [1d\]: why is it in black's favor?
VariantVL [2k?\]: is J14 needed?
fireball [1k\]: Is Andy LIu in this tournment to or not?
]
;B[le]
C[evanj [2d\]: really? that's weird. no, i am east coast USA
bjoerni [7k\]: I think white's clearly ahead
Q161 [?\]: andy liu quit go
fireball [1k\]: o
Goprince [3d\]: dont see this working for w
fireball [1k\]: really? strange
evanj [2d\]: but i'd be happy to adopt an accent if you'd find it charming
cloudo [2k\]: wutang
usagi [1d\]: i heard he didnt quit
DangoMango [2k\]: bbw 9d? quit? really?
fireball [1k\]: S ohe didnt come this time
Q161 [?\]: yea
fireball [1k\]: o1
Q161 [?\]: check his account...
fireball [1k\]: o
Opul3nce [6k\]: lol is lin Tianyu...aka Bill?
Q161 [?\]: he hasnt played in forever
hatego [3k\]: Bill is an english name.
XY0908 [-\]: Very busy with school.
fireball [1k\]: o
Opul3nce [6k\]: I guess it's kil bill time
AroundOneD [2d\]: l16
blitz99: i bet q161 is a troll
DangoMango [2k\]: um.........doesn't mean he quit, he can have other accounts
DangoMango [2k\]: and can play on other servers
Q161 [?\]: i didnt say it was the reason
Q161 [?\]: just demonstrating
Q161 [?\]: also, busy with school in the middle of summer?
DangoMango [2k\]: dont make false assumptions
MXHero [3d\]: there is summer school
Eternauta [10k\]: dont feed the troll
DangoMango [2k\]: just by looking at the dates of last login
Q161 [?\]: hes in korea now
Q161 [?\]: anway
Eternauta [10k\]: hes not even 10k
DangoMango [2k\]: feeding the troll is awesome!
Goprince [3d\]: w has to l16?
VariantVL [2k?\]: white has to coonect at l16?
Itch [8k\]: eh, why ?
VariantVL [2k?\]: black could live.
VariantVL [2k?\]: lol.
evanj [2d\]: black will live, that's a non-issue
Eternauta [10k\]: W M16 or tenuki
AroundOneD [2d\]: w think about l16 or m17
Goprince [3d\]: giving b l16 is very big
Eternauta [10k\]: M17 i mean
USGO1 [-\]: Myung Wan is tapping away on  his right knee as he thinks through some sequences
hatego [3k\]: B l16 is sente and means he could live locally.
yosogo [1d\]: is now lunch time?
hatego [3k\]: At least this is how I see it.
VariantVL [2k?\]: what time is it in Colorado.
AroundOneD [2d\]: m17 is not as solid as l16
evanj [2d\]: 3:57 AM
hatego [3k\]: 15:15
USGO1 [-\]: Local time is 11:35am
hatego [3k\]: 15:36
AroundOneD [2d\]: no m17
yosogo [1d\]: so it is lunch time
hatego [3k\]: LOL, of course, I'm an idiot. ><
hatego [3k\]: I live in the US, too. :`-(
cloudo [2k\]: ok
VariantVL [2k?\]: USGO1 do you know where next years congress is gonna be?
ogre [2d?\]: l16 important to remove libs on m15 also
DangoMango [2k\]: what is us go congress?
Q161 [?\]: its the thing obama is in charge of
fireball [1k\]: us go tournament
ogre [2d?\]: but. i dont see how to keep attacking o16
]
;W[kd]
C[DangoMango [2k\]: free?
Q161 [?\]: yes
VariantVL [2k?\]: i liked n17 better.
evanj [2d\]: of course not
VariantVL [2k?\]: m17*
Onmyoji [-\]: i count w+4.5
Onmyoji [-\]: what is your count everyone?
AroundOneD [2d\]: without l16, it means giving up
]
;B[oi]
C[MXHero [3d\]: n17 is extremely bad shape
VariantVL [2k?\]: leaning attack
VariantVL [2k?\]: trying to control center..
]
;W[lg]
C[evanj [2d\]: no kidding
];B[mg]
C[yiqou [5d\]: o15
Eternauta [10k\]: J12
];W[ne]
C[VariantVL [2k?\]: o15 looks good.
VariantVL [2k?\]: haha
MXHero [3d\]: that is the coolest cut ever
evanj [2d\]: nice
dmwit [?\]: o15 is very clever!
Onmyoji [-\]: lol
evanj [2d\]: tesuuuuuuuuuuji
hatego [3k\]: Pretty move.
fireball [1k\]: yeah
AroundOneD [2d\]: k13nice one
Eternauta [10k\]: tartrate power
Kalmah [-\]: MXhero
yiqou [5d\]: this is why white choose l16 over m17
N4KED [1d\]: how many rounds today?
Kalmah [-\]: private chat
evanj [2d\]: 1
MXHero [3d\]: hey kalmah! ok
Onmyoji [-\]: its cut
indianayk [4d\]: b may only wind up with 1 territory although huge
AroundOneD [2d\]: o15 nice
Onmyoji [-\]: or lose
]
;B[mf]
C[Violence [?\]: tesuji!
];W[oe];B[pj]
C[Athanor [-\]: violent one
Onmyoji [-\]: lol 7d didnt see that
Hangovers [3k\]: wow
Q161 [?\]: wow
Q161 [?\]: w+
]
;W[oj]
C[dmwit [?\]: gote, but so big
ogre [2d?\]: did b gain?
AroundOneD [2d\]: big tails was cut
hatego [3k\]: I guess that cut is the real reason for l16. ^^
singleCPU [5d\]: wow, o15 so beautiful
ogre [2d?\]: im not sure if o15 gained for w
Onmyoji [-\]: now i count w+17.5
XY0908 [-\]: That was a sort of wake-up call for B ;-)
fireball [1k\]: i huess that 7d have other reasopn?
fireball [1k\]: i guess
fireball [1k\]: reason
ibd [5k?\]: q9
wuwei [4k\]: b couldn't stand the pressure?
Q161 [?\]: o15 was huge gain for w
ogre [2d?\]: you sure b didnt expect o15?
Goprince [3d\]: probably b is still ahead
hatego [3k\]: There's the kyu reason, then there is the Myung wan reason. ^^
USGO1 [-\]: I believe the 2011 Go Congress will be played in L.A. 
USGO1 [-\]: *take place
Goprince [3d\]: i think b should q12 
XY0908 [-\]: Yes.
]
;B[pk]
C[fireball [1k\]: yeah
ogre [2d?\]: w had to tenuki p11 and center is being swallowed
Goprince [3d\]: take middle and give w some side
XY0908 [-\]: I hoped for NY City.
fireball [1k\]: i plan to go next year
korelh [10k?\]: give me some juice?
DangoMango [2k\]: where is this us go congress at?
evanj [2d\]: that means it'll be on the east coast in 2012
ogre [2d?\]: anyway b of course does not miss o15
indianayk [4d\]: 2011 is in Sacramento
fireball [1k\]: colorado
fireball [1k\]: this year
Goprince [3d\]: pretty sure b missed o15
DangoMango [2k\]: do ppl all over us travel to suchevent?
ogre [2d?\]: unless you show me video feed of b reacting
ibd [5k?\]: sacre bleu!!
Goprince [3d\]: or else n13 is weird
Farflame [2d\]: we wouldnt have N13
slang [10k\]: b was a 冲段少年in China several years ago
Q161 [?\]: o15 was catastrophic for b
singleCPU [5d\]: for me, i think o16 stones bigger than m15 3 stones
Q161 [?\]: ofc he didnt see it
Dupaaxe [?\]: you`re MangoDango from FOD ?
danigabi [5d\]: yeah
danigabi [5d\]: top side is very big
danigabi [5d\]: center is not yet cash
singleCPU [5d\]: for w m13 stones, w is very easy to get out
piesoup: p12?
]
;W[ni]
C[danigabi [5d\]: even worse, c13 has lots of aji..
Goprince [3d\]: fight
Onmyoji [-\]: o15 9p move
Itch [8k\]: score estimator still confused
]
;B[oh];W[qi]
C[yiqou [5d\]: m15 stones are the juice
Aokame2: b played so strong, but now i like w :)
singleCPU [5d\]: m15 stones just 3 stones=6 ponts
piesoup: it looks pretty even to me
Goprince [3d\]: q9 seems a bi greedy
yiqou [5d\]: no way, it seperate l13 stones
singleCPU [5d\]: w j14, b k13, w k12, j12, h12, b gained so little
Eternauta [10k\]: critizicing SE is bad , read "Get Strong at kibitz" to improve
ogre [2d?\]: well its b move now
ibd [5k?\]: critizicing SE is like critizicing Onmyoji
ibd [5k?\]: it's pointless
cloudo [2k\]: lol
gojustingo [8k\]: n10 
Goprince [3d\]: p8?
yiqou [5d\]: 016 stones around 20 points; m15 stones around  30points
AroundOneD [2d\]: o10 
Eternauta [10k\]: M11 now?
AroundOneD [2d\]: for sure the ctr
piesoup: o9?
indianayk [4d\]: b looks now overconcentrated unless it gobles up all w in the center. there many aji
AroundOneD [2d\]: only o10 for sure the ctr
AroundOneD [2d\]: o10 and n11
Goprince [3d\]: no way he plays o10
ogre [2d?\]: m11 l11 l10 j14 k13 k12 j13 j12 h13 k10 
singleCPU [5d\]: continue from h12, b g13, w l10, b gained about 8 points, and lost center wall
ecniv [7k\]: B n11 seem good
Eternauta [10k\]: i think M11 looks good now
Eternauta [10k\]: but I cannot read all this
AroundOneD [2d\]: if b wants both unstable pieces, b will lose
Farflame [2d\]: N11?
Athanor [-\]: if b gives one of them, b lose
Itch [8k\]: m12 ?
ogre [2d?\]: ok yea continue h12
AroundOneD [2d\]: ctr has beeen huge
Hangovers [3k\]: ctr means?
AroundOneD [2d\]: or n11
wuwei [4k\]: center
singleCPU [5d\]: at this point, games almost over...
blitz99: c13 stones have a llot of ko threats
AroundOneD [2d\]: n11 better than o10
ogre [2d?\]: wait
fireball [1k\]: about time resign
ogre [2d?\]: h12 not sente
ogre [2d?\]: cpu.. h12 not sente
ogre [2d?\]: d12 too few libs
AroundOneD [2d\]: n11 makes b can try to play the right side
P1X3L [5k\]: remaining time of players pls?
blitz99: k13 + c14 + g13 = semeai?
indianayk [4d\]: k4 is in such a nice place.
Eternauta [10k\]: i allways play K4
hatego [3k\]: I was looking at that, too, indian.
Farflame [2d\]: prepared to run
gentlesnow [6d\]: how did that happen at upper?
Q161 [?\]: b didnt see o15
hatego [3k\]: o15 tesuji
blitz99: i count w+17,5
Onmyoji [-\]: good count for a guest
Eternauta [10k\]: you and me didnt see O15 but 7dan dont miss it
ogre [2d?\]: its possible for b to miss o15
ogre [2d?\]: terrible oversight tho 
jwc [-\]: p9 o10 n12 ?
toffee [3d\]: b played too fast.
toffee [3d\]: it's like sometimes not seeing atari.
yiqou [5d\]: musst be lunch time
USGO1 [-\]: finally the air conditioning comes on~
blitz99: it is lunch time
Eternauta [10k\]: never play with an empty stomach
ecniv [7k\]: why O15 is a tesuji?
ogre [2d?\]: yes miss o15 is same as miss an atari
kimball [4d?\]: more like b n11 now
Eternauta [10k\]: ecniv -- click view-offline to see it
hatego [3k\]: Tesuji is an excellent move.
Q161 [?\]: eter i did see o15
hatego [3k\]: O15 was excellent. ^^
P1X3L [5k\]: time of players pls?
Eternauta [10k\]: Q161 you must be 9dan or stronger
gentlesnow [6d\]: but b wants to avoid p9
blitz99: b has 3 weak groups...
Q161 [?\]: almost
AroundOneD [2d\]: o15 is one of skills to attack
Farflame [2d\]: im sure he is
wuwei [4k\]: I can only see O10
Eternauta [10k\]: but your graph says you are 15k:-)
croc [5d\]: w has turned around
Farflame [2d\]: its IQ161
Eternauta [10k\]: haha
Q161 [?\]: its off by 23 ranks
ecniv [7k\]: B o15 > w n15
indianayk [4d\]: n13 was the mistake
Athanor [-\]: still no play? b will res?
blitz99: by 23 ranks - wow amazing - so you barely lose to idiotbot which is 50k
toffee [3d\]: after the misstep, I thought b should connect at P15.  much too big to give up.
hatego [3k\]: let's be civil, please.
Q161 [?\]: i think your math is a bit weak blitz99
Luminaire [4k\]: they have a lot of time and may pause for lunch
evanj [2d\]: are they at the board, or eating lunch?
ogre [2d?\]: maybe he should
wuwei [4k\]: let's be military, please
blitz99: 15+23 = 38
Q161 [?\]: 38=50?
USGO1 [-\]: Bill is fidgeting a lot now... many players are taking a break for lunch.
ogre [2d?\]: i guess b is too stubborn and greedy to connect p15
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;B[lh]
C[jwc [-\]: L15 was probably already bad
Athanor [-\]: ah
fireball [1k\]: ooo
AroundOneD [2d\]: I still like to hold b
USGO1 [-\]: Bill has 1 hr 5min remaining, Myung Wan has 45min
Q161 [?\]: blitz how dumb do you feel now? :P
blitz99: 38 closer to 50 than any other players rank i have ever seen
Q161 [?\]: the correct answer was: very
ogre [2d?\]: stubborn and greedy. uh i dont mean this in a bad way
]
;W[if];B[jg]
C[ogre [2d?\]: c14 now
];W[kh]
C[ogre [2d?\]: lol sounded so bad :(
];B[ki]
C[Athanor [-\]: bad aji in b's shape
USGO1 [-\]: Bill slaps this stone down and leans back.
ogre [2d?\]: where
Eternauta [10k\]: J13
fireball [1k\]: haha
blitz99: c14 become urgent very soon
Eternauta [10k\]: dont laugh
ogre [2d?\]: f15 stones are safe 
fireball [1k\]: seems he went a good move, USGO1
fireball [1k\]: thats why he leans back
ogre [2d?\]: c14 w connect still low on libs
AroundOneD [2d\]: b has huge potential in the ctr. And L11 also nice
clemensDO [5k\]: K12
USGO1 [-\]: The players will stop the game for lunch here.
WorldCop [3k\]: bad
ogre [2d?\]: aaaargh
blitz99: ........................................................................
Itch [8k\]: oh
Onmyoji [-\]: why
ogre [2d?\]: nooooo
Eternauta [10k\]: B f14 can die if he dont count well
ogre [2d?\]: wah
OneColorGo [2d\]: k12 might be the safest call ever :)
fireball [1k\]: oo
Hangovers [3k\]: when they come back?
yiqou [5d\]: b's only chance is to make the center bog
Eternauta [10k\]: big
Itch [8k\]: w + 0.5
USGO1 [-\]: Bill admits that he was confused by the shape and didn't see o15
Farflame [2d\]: bug
blitz99: bog?
Eternauta [10k\]: oh
USGO1 [-\]: now they'll seal a move
yiqou [5d\]: ha
Eternauta [10k\]: white J13 i say
TPA [-\]: hey, whose the second player? i cant see from my phone
Athanor [-\]: this is good for b
KoReNJe [3d\]: which justsu?
Q161 [?\]: hs
USGO1 [-\]: Bill has a youthful charm - I think he's ~14
wuwei [4k\]: lunch?
Q161 [?\]: haha
Q161 [?\]: i told you he didnt see 015
Q161 [?\]: where is ogre
wuwei [4k\]: ugh, they don't deserve lunch
ogre [2d?\]: i saw it
Q161 [?\]: good! :D
blitz99: lunch how long?
Mef [-\]: TPA - Myung Wan Kim v. Tianyu (Bill) Lin
Onmyoji [-\]: how long is the lunch break
Luminaire [4k\]: lunch ends in an hour, if they eat at the Lodge
ecniv [7k\]: if b played o15 what w should reply for you, i don't see?
ogre [2d?\]: the suspense
AroundOneD [2d\]: b will win soon
Luminaire [4k\]: they probably will but have other options
TPA [-\]: ty mef
ogre [2d?\]: after thinking about this position i think its still very much a game for either side
Mef [-\]: No problem
Luminaire [4k\]: I would be money that this game continues in an hour
Q161 [?\]: w has slight advantage imo
ogre [2d?\]: b had such a rough start tho!
ogre [2d?\]: amazing the stuff that happens in a game
USGO1 [-\]: I believe the game will continue at 1pm. See you then~
ogre [2d?\]: uhm.
al2 [1d\]: wht time is it for you pleae?
ogre [2d?\]: i mean w had such a rough start
ogre [2d?\]: lol
Mef [-\]: Noon currently local time
Luminaire [4k\]: 1pm here is in one hour
Luminaire [4k\]: mef you here?
al2 [1d\]: ok thx, so game resume in 1 hour
erertt: 2am here lol
Mef [-\]: Nah, couldn't make it this year, had to work
Luminaire [4k\]: too bad! it is great so far
Mef [-\]: Indeed, always next year though (=
Murn [2d\]: is w pro?
Mef [-\]: YEs
Murn [2d\]: b is ama?
ogre [2d?\]: b is future star
Luminaire [4k\]: white won USopen last year I'm pretty sure
ChemBoy613 [-\]: any word on the pairings yet?
nickBlake [?\]: I don't think white has lost any AGA ranked games yet.
Murn [2d\]: no he didn't lum
Luminaire [4k\]: maybe the year before that then
Murn [2d\]: but I don't know if he played in it
Mef [-\]: W won the US open last year
Luminaire [4k\]: see i was right, 
Luminaire [4k\]: i was looking it up lol
ogre [2d?\]: b want to chase and kill w into a dragon 
Murn [2d\]: andy liu won last year
Luminaire [4k\]: that was NAIM
Luminaire [4k\]: not the open
Murn [2d\]: hm
Archron [5k\]: rengo tournamenT?
A1R [4k\]: andy is in korea now,  right?!
Arhiman [1k\]: oh, that must be why he doesn't play anymore !
Arhiman [1k\]: as bbw I mean
ogre [2d?\]: sol
ogre [2d?\]: whjats going to hapen
A1R [4k\]: i am not sure
ogre [2d?\]: k12 j13 j12 h13 m11 n12 k10 l9 k9 l10 h10 l8 ?
Martin82 [13k\]: cant w pull out those stones while sacrificing j14?
BobWhoosta [4k\]: He can Martin, he's looking at that option.
BobWhoosta [4k\]: It will be a hard fight if he does.
grumpy [3d?\]: w h14 is a threat to make c15 alive
Martin82 [13k\]: ty
Archron [5k\]: it'd be funnny if w tenukis. :\]
grumpy [3d?\]: so w h14 is possible
ogre [2d?\]: hm
BobWhoosta [4k\]: With H14 white can squeeze even better..
BobWhoosta [4k\]: But if he eliminates the aji on the left side and dies in the middle, that would be terrible.
grumpy [3d?\]: yes - but b may take l13 and let w live
BobWhoosta [4k\]: Ah.
BobWhoosta [4k\]: If C15 lives, where is black's territory?
grumpy [3d?\]: by taking l13 b becomes very thick
khpark129 [5k\]: sabumnim hwa e ting!
Eternauta [10k\]: W can play J13 first, then C14 to kill all black at g15
Eternauta [10k\]: but B wont let it happen
ogre [2d?\]: dang. h14 is bad for b
BobWhoosta [4k\]: J13 doesn't work, black can escape.
BobWhoosta [4k\]: He can hane at G13.
ogre [2d?\]: no i dont think b can afford to sac f15 
BobWhoosta [4k\]: Yeah, I agree with you ogre.
Eternauta [10k\]: J13 is atari, how doesnt work?
BobWhoosta [4k\]: The atari is forcing, but black can either Kill C15 stones or escape.
BobWhoosta [4k\]: C14 and G13 are miai.
BobWhoosta [4k\]: So he can't kill F15 that way.
grumpy [3d?\]: w does not catch f15 with j13 - he catches d14 stones
grumpy [3d?\]: as b12 and a14 are w sente he may live there
Eternauta [10k\]: thats good enough
grumpy [3d?\]: but b gets lots of strength
grumpy [3d?\]: so w k12 not safe call at all :)
BobWhoosta [4k\]: K4 already present to reduce thickness.
Eternauta [10k\]: too hard to see whats good for me
ogre [2d?\]: maybe h14 h13 
ogre [2d?\]: b h13 might work
grumpy [3d?\]: if b takes l13 then k4 too far
BobWhoosta [4k\]: It looks like black is busted here strategically.
BobWhoosta [4k\]: Q3 and K4 in just the right place, black has limited center for stones invested.
tuerda [1d\]: has this game been adjourned, or is w just thinking really hard
tuerda [1d\]: ?
BobWhoosta [4k\]: I think he's thinking.
ogre [2d?\]: lunch break
A1R [4k\]: yeah lunch break
hatego [3k\]: They have agreed to break for lunch.
Weishenme [4d\]: C14 , J13 and G13 for W
ogre [2d?\]: only one hour tho
BobWhoosta [4k\]: Oh, interesting.
A1R [4k\]: 35min...then playing again
ogre [2d?\]: weishenme what do you mean
Weishenme [4d\]: not ok
BobWhoosta [4k\]: What are the respective clock times?
ogre [2d?\]: yea h14 is only way to threaten to win on libs
ogre [2d?\]: so h14 h13 
ogre [2d?\]: i think it transposes into more favorable dragon chasing lines
BobWhoosta [4k\]: K10 or something an option?
BobWhoosta [4k\]: Treat the whole thing lightly?
ogre [2d?\]: b would take and get so thick
ogre [2d?\]: k10 no help at all i think
fireball [1k\]: is backed?
grumpy [3d?\]: our h14 comments are gone :)
Goliamus [6k\]: who win ?
ogre [2d?\]: h14 h13  ok
BobWhoosta [4k\]: I keep thinking white so far ahead, if he can just reduce he should win.
grumpy [3d?\]: h14 h13 c14
grumpy [3d?\]: will you connect?
evanj [2d\]: yes
evanj [2d\]: i'll connect
grumpy [3d?\]: then w j13
ogre [2d?\]: then eat k12
evanj [2d\]: indeed he does :D
ogre [2d?\]: w didnt gain libs
grumpy [3d?\]: then w g13
ogre [2d?\]: b12
evanj [2d\]: then b12
USGO1 [-\]: players are on lunch break; back soon
XY0908 [-\]: This is not fair ;-)
evanj [2d\]: what's not fair
ogre [2d?\]: what
XY0908 [-\]: Mr. Kim's move was sealed, then.
grumpy [3d?\]: ah sorry - w must b12 in sente yes
deft [4d\]: how is W going to get out of this mess?
grumpy [3d?\]: so h14 h13 c13 e14 b12
evanj [2d\]: then b a13
grumpy [3d?\]: then a11
evanj [2d\]: a12
ogre [2d?\]: seems w cant resist
mooooo [7k\]: lol w is 9p
mooooo [7k\]: not 7d
ogre [2d?\]: he is on aga ranking system
evanj [2d\]: so what do 9ps eat for lunch
mooooo [7k\]: 7 dans
Meerkov [5k\]: lol
evanj [2d\]: i'm thinking spaghetti-os
grumpy [3d?\]: hm too much aji here
mooooo [7k\]: this is live coverage?
deft [4d\]: if W plays H14 now, then B captures at C14 - it's clearly no good
ogre [2d?\]: chilli dogs
grumpy [3d?\]: how about a13 b10?
ogre [2d?\]: why captuyre c14?
evanj [2d\]: a12 again
evanj [2d\]: once b plays a13 w is captured
ogre [2d?\]: h14 h13
mooooo [7k\]: i bet kim myung wan will win this tournament without a single defeat like he is used to do
grumpy [3d?\]: then squeeze with d10 and a10 - then capture b6
evanj [2d\]: sure, that's a possibility
grumpy [3d?\]: so h14 c14 safe bet
deft [4d\]: C14 is fastest way to capture three W stones on the side and also removes all aji
grumpy [3d?\]: yes
grumpy [3d?\]: is that worth getting extra leverage to get l12 out?
ogre [2d?\]: but deft that lets w escape with l12
deft [4d\]: so I don't see how W can do anything else than atari out at K12 and jump in the center
deft [4d\]: L12 is just some heavy stones
deft [4d\]: capturing the left side is much more important
ogre [2d?\]: i see l12 becoming a stable group 
ogre [2d?\]: i think h13 is much better as long as its accurately read out
deft [4d\]: stable group worth two points?
grumpy [3d?\]: escaping with l12 will take out c14 aji anyway - why not use it?
deft [4d\]: H13 is too slow in the capturing race
deft [4d\]: since it doesn't take a liberty B just captures at K12 and W has no tactic
ogre [2d?\]: h13 works to me
Meerkov [5k\]: if white can make his left group live, he needs to. Escaping with L12 group is not worth enough.
deft [4d\]: what is next move after B captures at K12, ogre?
ogre [2d?\]: what are you asking
evanj [2d\]: can't, meerkov
ogre [2d?\]: ?
evanj [2d\]: can just hope to get compensation
deft [4d\]: I don't see how H13 does anything good for W
ogre [2d?\]: oh
ogre [2d?\]: h14 k12 c14 e14 g14 
grumpy [3d?\]: then b12 again ogre
ogre [2d?\]: h14 is threatening to eat f15
deft [4d\]: H14 then C14, ogre
deft [4d\]: that loses the entire left side for W
ogre [2d?\]: what
ogre [2d?\]: left side is lost already
deft [4d\]: I really don't see how W can do anything else than just atari out at K12
MRSA [7d\]: i think  k12, j13, k11, m11, h13, j12, k10, h12 sequence is automatic
deft [4d\]: no, there is a lot of aji on the left
MRSA [7d\]: what happends after is curious
Kusaki [21k?\]: who is ahead now?
MRSA [7d\]: if w gives up a few stones in the center and gets q10 stones, it seems a good game for w
MRSA [7d\]: before o15, b was clearly ahead
MRSA [7d\]: but he overlooked that tesuji and w has a cha]
;W[jh];B[ig]
C[ogre [2d?\]: mrsa sequence happening
USGO1 [-\]: Myungwan has 42 min remaining
USGO1 [-\]: Bill has over an hour still
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;W[li];B[mh]
C[deft [4d\]: I liked MRSA's move better ( K11 instead of M11 )
ogre [2d?\]: close enough.. h13 ?
ogre [2d?\]: oh was that first
ogre [2d?\]: yes indeed
blitz99: so who is ct and is there video coverage?
USGO1 [-\]: There is no live feed at the moment.
ickypoo [2k\]: will there be live feed?
USGO1 [-\]: Not of this game, no.
ickypoo [2k\]: other games?
USGO1 [-\]: Welcome to the 2010 U.S. Go Congress live broadcast of the U.S. Open in Colorado Springs, Colorado, brought to you by the American Go E-Journal, KGS and the American Go Association. Check out our website – www.usgo.org - for the latest Congress reports, photos and game records, as well as go news from around the world.
ogre [2d?\]: k11 l10 h13 j12 k10... b cant l9? can he?
USGO1 [-\]: This is round 1, board 1.  I'm Solomon Smilack, your game recorder today.
blitz99: CT is sweety??
ickypoo [2k\]: yo, sol, how is weather is Colorado?
Baytovn [7k\]: Hi Solomon
USGO1 [-\]: Sunny as usual.
USGO1 [-\]: Colorado gets about 300 sunny days a year.
ickypoo [2k\]: most excellent
ickypoo [2k\]: you serious
USGO1 [-\]: the Strong Players room was quite hot earlier, but finally the AC is on and many of the games finished
blitz99: i bet on w+r in less than 20moves
USGO1 [-\]: So the population here has gone down from 60 to about 20
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;W[ok]
C[deft [4d\]: P9 is strong move
deft [4d\]: if W can play Q8 it doesn't matter what happens in the center
Eternauta [10k\]: i dont know what is good or bad in this game anymore
strong99k [-\]: L10
ogre [2d?\]: mee too eternauta
]
;B[pl]
C[USGO1 [-\]: Bill seems to agree with deft
BobWhoosta [4k\]: And if Black plays P8, j12 h13 l10 k11 k10 j11 j10 sabbakis nicely.
Dupaaxe [?\]: Eternauta suna romaneste
Eternauta [10k\]: wot?
ickypoo [2k\]: vot?
Dupaaxe [?\]: :)
Eddy [5k\]: lol icky
Eddy [5k\]: =P
]
;W[kj];B[ji];W[ol]
C[ogre [2d?\]: so complicated
];B[pm];W[om]
C[blitz99: w wants center as well ^^
A1R [4k\]: b looks better?
Eternauta [10k\]: Q 7 is not happy
darkluffy [3k?\]: w is a gamer
]
;B[pn]
C[ogre [2d?\]: q7 isnt that weak cause theres aji on r11 conection
AroundOneD [2d\]: b is ok
BobWhoosta [4k\]: This game seems so much better for white...
ickypoo [2k\]:  vewwy compicated
BobWhoosta [4k\]: I would J13 here.
BobWhoosta [4k\]: White's shape would be perfect in the center.
Eddy [5k\]: really?
Eternauta [10k\]: W may K10
ChemBoy613 [-\]: there's a lot of reading there
ogre [2d?\]: except for b poking out at p6
jwc [-\]: j12 h13 j11 k10 j10 k9 j9 
USGO1 [-\]: if white was able to change the black stone on j13 into a white stone that would be amazing.
Eddy [5k\]: i think whites more likely to k10 
Eddy [5k\]: and throw away those 6 stones
ChemBoy613 [-\]: j12 vs k10
Eddy [5k\]: 5*
ChemBoy613 [-\]: quite a bit of reading there
]
;W[ih]
C[BobWhoosta [4k\]: Eddy, J12 gives K10 mor power.
];B[hg]
C[Eternauta [10k\]: K10 seems simpler for me
ChemBoy613 [-\]: well here we go
BobWhoosta [4k\]: White intends to sacrifice.
BobWhoosta [4k\]: Now K10.
BobWhoosta [4k\]: He gets two forcing moves instead of one.
Eddy [5k\]: yeah
ChemBoy613 [-\]: lets figure it out
BobWhoosta [4k\]: White has way more territory, so all he needs to do is live...
ogre [2d?\]: p6 looks ugly to me
BobWhoosta [4k\]: So k10 j11 j10 h12 and then a move on the bottom.
jjp: doesnt white lose the entire left side this way?
BobWhoosta [4k\]: White's group will be fine.
blitz99: j11 run out
ChemBoy613 [-\]: if w forces in the midde and then at p6.... it's almost40 points
]
;W[ii]
C[blitz99: and gg
];B[jj];W[ij];B[jk]
C[ChemBoy613 [-\]: but he runs out instead
];W[ik]
C[BobWhoosta [4k\]: Wow.
ChemBoy613 [-\]: hane?
jwc [-\]: told u
ChemBoy613 [-\]: can he?
ogre [2d?\]: mega complicated
ChemBoy613 [-\]: it's copmlicated, agree
BobWhoosta [4k\]: Yeah, this is going to be the fight of the century.
ChemBoy613 [-\]: i'm glad i'm not playin this game :)
blitz99: my 20 moves bet ends in 6 moves...
blitz99: so hurry w
Edelweiss [-\]: W like winner, he wants to kill N13
jwc [-\]: w captures n12?
deft [4d\]: how many liberties does N13 have
BobWhoosta [4k\]: 5
Eternauta [10k\]: N13 is already dead, no?
]
;B[il]
C[BobWhoosta [4k\]: No, N13 alive on condition that K11 dies...
deft [4d\]: yes, 5
BobWhoosta [4k\]: Hane for w here.
deft [4d\]: so B has to keep J11 group liberties to 4 or he has to atari out at N11
Eternauta [10k\]: but W showed hes not giving up j11
Dino9 [6d\]: i think cut
Edelweiss [-\]: difficult fight, M11 is the key stone
Eddy [5k\]: cut first
deft [4d\]: so J8 makes a lot of sense
]
;W[jl]
C[Violence [?\]: wow...
];B[kk]
C[Dino9 [6d\]: cut, extend, defend somehow i see w winning here
Violence [?\]: I never thought it would turn out like this 10 moves ago
blitz99: l8
blitz99: L8
Violence [?\]: but now white's definitely won...
Q161 [?\]: this is exactly how i thought it would turn out
]
;W[lj]
C[Violence [?\]: the M15 group might die...
jjp: yeah this game could have gone completely different if white went for territory in center instead of saving k12
deft [4d\]: has to connect because of N10 tesuji
ogre [2d?\]: now b cant eat either
fireball [1k\]: white will win this battle
Eternauta [10k\]: Q161, are you 9dan sandbagging with a 15k account?
Q161 [?\]: almost
blitz99: p7 ladder works
carrotcake [1d\]: any chance for b?
wingnoll [12k\]: b resigns here
BobWhoosta [4k\]: If white falls asleep, or dies...
hatego [3k\]: Game is over.
blitz99: 2 moves....
Eternauta [10k\]: B can resign now, unless he finds a tesuji bigger than O15
AroundOneD [2d\]: m9
grumpy [3d?\]: I don't see a way out for b
gentlesnow [5d\]: m9
Onmyoji [-\]: i count b+2,5
Hataycan [6k\]: m9
grumpy [3d?\]: m9 n9
Onmyoji [-\]: what is your count everyone?
Hataycan [6k\]: how can you count now lol
Hangovers [3k\]: m9 m10
mhelvens [?\]: SE
BobWhoosta [4k\]: No way b is up.
Onmyoji [-\]: why not?
Edelweiss [-\]: SE counts for him xD
hanniibal [6k\]: n10 
WoolyMaCha [5k\]:  I still can't believe that a 7dan (B) can't see W  O15 !
Eddy [5k\]: SE is fail on this game
fffanka [5d?\]: considering m7 or n8 
deft [4d\]: L8 looks possible
BobWhoosta [4k\]: White +60
Eddy [5k\]: wooly? what do you mean? lol
gentlesnow [5d\]: m9 or resign
deft [4d\]: I read L8 K7 N9 O10 H9 works for B
]
;B[jm]
C[miralay [11k\]: selam haya
Eddy [5k\]: im sure he sees it
deft [4d\]: so W has to make some variation
miralay [11k\]: selam hataycan naber
Eternauta [10k\]: no Eddy
Eternauta [10k\]: he said he didnt see it
]
;W[gk]
C[wuwei [4k\]: I'm thinking w+13.5 or 14.5, but the center still puzzles me a little
ogre [2d?\]: ok. b looking to squeeze the p8 group
ogre [2d?\]: glad your only a little puzzled
iBanker [3d\]: 9p is quite something :)
deft [4d\]: oh, I guess no matter if B plays K7 or L8 W will still G9
blitz99: 9p with 10d aga rating ^^
Elmarias [-\]: are these 7d (amateur) or 7d (Professional)?
BobWhoosta [4k\]: Amateur.
Yachiru [7k\]: 7d amateur.
AroundOneD [2d\]: 9d is good at fighting
rjm [3k\]: Kim MyungWan is Korean 9p
kim777 [-\]: ama 7d, pro 9p
Chachi [2k\]: whos better, these guys or 9d kgs?
blitz99: w is 9p with 10d rating
RabidWolve [1d?\]: Both.
USGO1 [-\]: All ranks are ama but only signify that the player has a 7.0+ rating...
ogre [2d?\]: b is looking beat
Luminaire [4k\]: white is pro, but 9p?
evanj [2d\]: yes
Athanor [-\]: he is
elementc [5k?\]: I thought he was 8p
rjm [3k\]: he recently ranked up
elementc [5k?\]: ah
firewolf07 [3k\]: ar these players kgs 7dans?
firewolf07 [3k\]: *are
elementc [5k?\]: no
BobWhoosta [4k\]: 9d kgs
firewolf07 [3k\]: ok
slang [10k\]: bacause of what?
Athanor [-\]: kgs 11d maybe
sai1029 [2d\]: do they boardcast other games besides game 1, 2, n 3?
evanj [2d\]: nope
hatego [3k\]: Myung wan still plays professionally?
kim777 [-\]: kgs at least 21 dan
evanj [2d\]: no he just travels around winning amateur open tournaments :D
Onmyoji [-\]: lol
slang [10k\]: why was he promoted from 8p to 9p?
evanj [2d\]: bribe?
RabidWolve [1d?\]: Because he's good.
Onmyoji [-\]: he beat me
Onmyoji [-\]: sp i promoted him
Onmyoji [-\]: so
blitz99: i think it is unfair that pros travel around winning amateur tournaments
huggy [2k\]: he never beat me so far
Q161 [?\]: its tough to be onmyoji, especially when he does the counting
AroundOneD [2d\]: p6
Q161 [?\]: beat*
USGO1 [-\]: Bill still has  53 minutes of thinking time remaining. Myung Wan has 28min.
iBanker [3d\]: i don't know how he got promoted
BobWhoosta [4k\]: Black's squeeze of P8 must result in significant gains on the bottom for it to be worth anything.
iBanker [3d\]: he lives in the usa
deft [4d\]: doesn't matter if you have more time if you're dead
evanj [2d\]: true, deft
mollycat [6k\]: not unfair for pros to play in amateur tournaments. must be nice for those people who get to play him
Q161 [?\]: deft, only if you dont play zombie style
xedover [?\]: but its an "Open" tournament, which means pros are welcome to play -- and win
kim777 [-\]: white is tartrate, he can't lose
USGO1 [-\]: sweety tells me that w is not tartrate
blitz99: anybody know high55?
wuwei [4k\]: otherwise it would be a closed tournament, right?
toffee [3d\]: so slow.
RobSchley [7k\]: sorry, late to the game. are these being broadcasted online like the other ones?
Enceladus [-\]: is high55 playing in this tournament?
nedmunds: everyone is tartrate on this server
AroundOneD [2d\]: One can die twice if s/he has more time.
Acemi [?\]: is it on tv? got link?
sai1029 [2d\]: not on tv
sai1029 [2d\]: i doubt it
Acemi [?\]: live on web?
wuwei [4k\]: s/he = stutter?
Luminaire [4k\]: will NAM have video?
indianayk [4d\]: There are many pros teaching Go in the foreign countries get promotions based on the charter rule 
slang [10k\]: high55 is a amateur 4d in Beijing
Enceladus [-\]: I thought he lives in usa
USGO1 [-\]: I believe we will have a video broadcast of the top board of the NAMT
kim777 [-\]: China 4d is strong ^^
slang [10k\]: no, but good at blize tho
Luminaire [4k\]: thanks
nedmunds: brilliant go player
blitz99: slang if you know him tell him to play on with his account
calin [2d\]: this is very complicate
USGO1 [-\]: NAMT should be tonight at 7pm local time
evanj [2d\]: when is nAMT?
evanj [2d\]: oh
fffanka [5d?\]: china 4d only about AGA 5d...
]
;B[on]
C[Onmyoji [-\]: who is namt
deft [4d\]: probably B couldn't play Q8 but had to play in the center, but he would be behind in territory that way
USGO1 [-\]: North American Masters Tournament
wuwei [4k\]: b is brave, in a pointless way
AroundOneD [2d\]: s/he means she/he.
slang [10k\]: B was #2 in last years Canadian Open
wuwei [4k\]: you can say "they" in the singular
Chachi [2k\]: once black got cut at o15, black has been trying to get compensation ever since and hasn't been able to
Enceladus [-\]: w has turned this game comepletely around
slang [10k\]: He beat Ge Yongfei
fffanka [5d?\]: s/he is grammatically correct :D
Neospring [4k\]: who is winning?
wuwei [4k\]: it is, if you're a sttuterer
ogre [2d?\]: w
RabidWolve [1d?\]: Listen to fffanka, s/he has a point...
AroundOneD [2d\]: hehe
jubjub [3k\]: _they_ in the singular is horrible English
hatego [3k\]: Good luck tomorrow, roln.
weak5k [3k\]: who say that  game easy for w?
wuwei [4k\]: English is horrible
Q161 [?\]: jubjub, you just used it in the singular
Q161 [?\]: so...gg
firewolf07 [3k\]: this is aon of the weirdest looking game i've ever seen
]
;W[mm]
C[firewolf07 [3k\]: *one
AroundOneD [2d\]: If p13 group dies, w wins
mollycat [6k\]: actually using they in the singular for a human whose sex is unknown is correct in american grammar *runs for cover*
AroundOneD [2d\]: w turned the game around
]
;B[kl]
C[Q161 [?\]: actually it isnt
mollycat [6k\]: no it is and i won't argue.
AroundOneD [2d\]: b's potential inthe ctr is like smoke, gone.
Eternauta [10k\]: nobody speaks English in America, molly
noodley [15k\]: Mollycat, wouldn't the singular be "it" in that case?
wuwei [4k\]: they ran for cover (see?)
Q161 [?\]: you just did and it isnt
mollycat [6k\]: right we speak american.
fickle [10k?\]: Grammar can be correct only wrt to some coummunity.
jjp: is there any way for black to win?
jubjub [3k\]: mollycat according to what source?
BobWhoosta [4k\]: H13 already has 6 libs right?
mollycat [6k\]: chomsky
BobWhoosta [4k\]: Sorry, J12
mollycat [6k\]: noam
miao [6d\]: it is no sex
ogre [2d?\]: if b captures one of these w groups i think he is still in the game
miao [6d\]: not unkonown asex
wuwei [4k\]: <- successfully started a useless argument
miao [6d\]: ,,,
miao [6d\]: ...
]
;W[nn]
C[Luminaire [4k\]: the game is more important than spelling conversations
Q161 [?\]: but in order to talk about the game we need to understand each other
fffanka [5d?\]: i cant say that i agree
grumpy [3d?\]: the game is over - so we can talk about grammar
Yachiru [7k\]: Neither is more important.  
indianayk [4d\]: m15 is already dead
Aokame [2k\]: how much time have the players left?
Athanor [-\]: yup, all over now if b cannot kill j10
ogre [2d?\]: it looks dead but i dont know for sure
AroundOneD [2d\]: y
Excalibor [-\]: related to the use of 'they' may I offer this? http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/they
Eternauta [10k\]: americans we speak spanish portuguese, canadian , french and unitedstatesian
ogre [2d?\]: maybe there is some kind of extra libs from damezumari
AroundOneD [2d\]: b will resign soon
mollycat [6k\]: oh heck the other night during the european championship about 5 languages going
ogre [2d?\]: b keeps making moves
Excalibor [-\]: and this game is very weird, SE can't even start to do the counting :-)
Eternauta [10k\]: mentioning SE is bad kibitz
Acemi [?\]: white dies at J10?
mur [1k\]: can anyone please give a link to the webpage with the schedule and/or description of the tournament?
jjp: no possibility of killing j12 first?
Excalibor [-\]: it is not, it's fun :)
Eternauta [10k\]: is 30k kibitz
Q161 [?\]: eternauta you were hoisted by your own ptard just now
mollycat [6k\]: jeez webster's agrees with me.
USGO1 [-\]: http://www.gocongress.org/events.php
Vovka27 [3k\]: http://www.gocongress.org/
Q161 [?\]: no it doesnt molly
Chachi [2k\]: atari at L11 was wrong?
mollycat [6k\]: yes it does
Excalibor [-\]: some not 30k players like to talk about SE :)
mur [1k\]: thx
Q161 [?\]: no and you wont argue
mollycat [6k\]: did you read the link?
Onmyoji [-\]:  dont use se. learn to count yourself
Eternauta [10k\]: mollycat, webster is not english, is american dic
mollycat [6k\]: i know
Eternauta [10k\]: see Oxford dict
Excalibor [-\]: Shakespeare was not from USA
mollycat [6k\]: and based on linguistic principles not literary
MRSA [7d\]: B short in liberty
Excalibor [-\]: yet he did use 'they'
wuwei [4k\]: we have a big problem: b got nuffin and we refuse do go mind our own businesses
mollycat [6k\]: since the 2nd went out of print
MRSA [7d\]: h9 does not work
slang [10k\]: Board #1, 2 3, are all USA vs Canada
Excalibor [-\]: for black?
flowSthead [9k\]: wikipedia agrees with mollycat, they can be used in singular
mollycat [6k\]: wow! 2 for 2!
]
;B[fk]
C[Q161 [?\]: that wasnt mollycat's claim
flowSthead [9k\]: oh?
flowSthead [9k\]: my bad, what was the claim?
Excalibor [-\]: is there a live stream of this game?
]
;W[hk]
C[Eternauta [10k\]: I use it, sounds better than they
mollycat [6k\]: my claim was that they could be used in the singular when the sex was not known.
Q161 [?\]: yes
flowSthead [9k\]: oh well then it still applies
MRSA [7d\]: 6 to 5, sad...
Q161 [?\]: no
VariantVL [2k?\]: whtie wins race.
slang [10k\]: can we stop this singular discussion pls?
singleCPU [5d\]: gm over
flowSthead [9k\]: the wikipedia article was on gender neutral pronouns, and singular they was mentioned
jubjub [3k\]: that says indefinite they not referring to a specific person
mollycat [6k\]: i probably wasn't clear enough, i meant with a singular antecedent, precisely as webster's states
Onmyoji [-\]: game over
Onmyoji [-\]: too dead
indianayk [4d\]: w is content with the killing of n14 group
blitz99: not knowing sex should sound familiar for most of the go players *ducks away*
Q161 [?\]: ok well thats not what you said
slang [10k\]: they sound idiotic
mollycat [6k\]: if you know a specific person, you know their sex.
Q161 [?\]: so too late boo hoo
MRSA [7d\]: the USGC players seem a lot stronger than the EGC players
clydesdale [3k\]: w has more libs
bug2 [3d\]: maybe not ober yet
BobWhoosta [4k\]: 1 more lib than he needs.
mollycat [6k\]: note the correct use of they in my last sentenc.
Excalibor [-\]: MRSA: what do you mean by a lot stronger?
mollycat [6k\]: sentence.
jubjub [3k\]: really I don't know your sex (mollycat)
mollycat [6k\]: i'm a guy
jubjub [3k\]: but I know you are a specific person
sheeryjay [2k\]: MRSA, check also their names ... mostly they are of Asian origin which kinda helps
slang [10k\]: hey, we have roln111 here who is now ranked #1 in EGC
Athanor [-\]: 9p is not american for sure
MRSA [7d\]: i think either one of these two will beat the top EGC play;ers
Excalibor [-\]: because there's even some pros at EGC
iBanker [3d\]: you don't get to 9p by miscounting libs
MRSA [7d\]: and this 
MRSA [7d\]: B is not even among the top
mollycat [6k\]: lets not count angels on the head of a pin jubjub
evanj [2d\]: w wins
sheeryjay [2k\]: also AGA 7d is not directly comparable to EGF 7d
MRSA [7d\]: i think i know what i am talking about, molly ^^
Eternauta [10k\]: again witrh the rank obsession?
Excalibor [-\]: OK, let's talk to EGF and AGA (or any continental group) and set up a Friendship Go Games between America and Europe
Q161 [?\]: eternauta just because you dont like your rank 
Q161 [?\]: doesnt mean we shouldnt discuss ranks
singleCPU [5d\]: w leads  in territory by 30points
sheeryjay [2k\]: Excalibor .. there was such a youth event
Aokame [2k\]: eternauta so annoying
sheeryjay [2k\]: AGA players won
Aokame [2k\]: annoyed me too
Eternauta [10k\]: the stones on the board dont care where you come from or how many ran ks your asociation gives
Excalibor [-\]: regardless the winners, we will enjoy great games and learn a lot :)
Q161 [?\]: thanks buddha
MRSA [7d\]: i think there is a prevalent, fatal, flaw of EGC players...
Baytovn [7k\]: any player is only as good as their last game  . . .
mollycat [6k\]: natch you know of what you speak mrsa. sorry you misinterperted my comment as being on your
MRSA [7d\]: what I call 'master mentality'
Excalibor [-\]: master mentality?
Q161 [?\]: also the lack of CT
Q161 [?\]: right mrsa?
xedover [?\]: they might be as good as their game before last
Excalibor [-\]: I have no such flaw, I can asure you :)
MRSA [7d\]: also, the lack of CT ^^
Q161 [?\]: :P
AroundOneD [2d\]: g8
Aokame [2k\]: mrsa must be cnrc, lol
Q161 [?\]: of course of course
mollycat [6k\]: what is CT?
Aokame [2k\]: such comments so bad
]
;B[gl]
C[ogre [2d?\]: scrool up
Guichocha [2d\]: CT is countertenor
];W[mi]
C[clydesdale [3k\]: ok Neichtze
Aokame [2k\]: fatal flaw of top europeans? yeah, sure..
Eternauta [10k\]: counter strike
evanj [2d\]: neichtze?
]
;B[mk]
C[MRSA [7d\]: 'you have to scroll back', molly ^^
rjm [3k\]: MRSA, explain your idea of 'master mentality' more?
evanj [2d\]: you couldn't have spelled that more wrong if you tried
jjp: idk why black is still playing...
]
;W[nj]
C[dounde [1d\]: black lose the semeai...whathever no?
ogre [2d?\]: o10 dont working either
]
;B[lp]
C[Excalibor [-\]: n9, nice move
Eternauta [10k\]: use this for game comments better
evanj [2d\]: whole b upper right dead now...
evanj [2d\]: that's what i call a corner
MRSA [7d\]: by mater mentality i mean the 4d+ players in EGC all think they are some sort of 'master'
hatego [3k\]: n9 doesn't matter.
Eternauta [10k\]: nobody cares whats your problem with ranks
ogre [2d?\]: now b must capture the entire bottom
Eternauta [10k\]: lets give us a break please
ogre [2d?\]: lol
sheeryjay [2k\]: MRSA, where have you met such players?
Excalibor [-\]: MRSA: see? I have not that fatal flaw :)
bug2 [3d\]: EGC 4d = kgs ?
sheeryjay [2k\]: I haven't met any in my country
]
;W[np]
C[Athanor [-\]: o4?
MRSA [7d\]: they wnat to pontificate and cannot accept critique any more...
evanj [2d\]: o4.
Q161 [?\]: EGC 4d = kgs 2k
iBanker [3d\]: o4 is such a natural move
yaris [-\]: everyone know you become master at 10kyu
sheeryjay [2k\]: bug2, 4d egf = 3d-6d kgs
Matze [?\]: only the japanese
FrozenV7 [4k?\]: so many people, so little time to put them on ignore
XY0908 [-\]: Why all these meaningless chats...
USGO1 [-\]: Shhhhhhhhh about ranks please.
iBanker [3d\]: with r5 follow up
Athanor [-\]: kgs 2d = egc 1d
iBanker [3d\]: b's life on the side is uncertain
Vovka27 [3k\]: egs 12k = kgs 3k ^^
]
;B[mp]
C[BobWhoosta [4k\]: MRSA, I'm not a master?
mollycat [6k\]: game's boring xy
MRSA [7d\]: well, you can be, bob
Athanor [-\]: o3?
bug2 [3d\]: black win?
BobWhoosta [4k\]: Thanks, I appreciate that.
MRSA [7d\]: but quite unlikely, given the 4k and male gender ^^
XY0908 [-\]: So more boring chats make the game interesting?
mollycat [6k\]: lol
jjp: if its boring, then dont watch
Baytovn [7k\]: lol
miralay [11k\]: HATAYCANNNNNNN NABER
Excalibor [-\]: MRSA: you can ask roln about that flaw, he's bound to have it ;-)
MRSA [7d\]: roln has a better mindset than breakfast
Athanor [-\]: r5? :)
AroundOneD [2d\]: l5
sweety [-\]: Let's focus on the game~!
MRSA [7d\]: he has more potential
Excalibor [-\]: sweety: yes, you are right, sorry about that
sweety [-\]: thanks~
USGO1 [-\]: Can white live on the bottom?
Onmyoji [-\]: np
Acemi [?\]: l5 
blitz99: MRSA all blabla are blabla does not help - give specific examples or be quiet forever
AroundOneD [2d\]: n4 was greedy
Q161 [?\]: how can sweety be right about a suggestion? O_o
dounde [1d\]: p5?
BobWhoosta [4k\]: White hard life on the bottom.
Q161 [?\]: although i do agree 
iBanker [3d\]: w can give up k4
Q161 [?\]: i wonder if b has advantage again
iBanker [3d\]: can kill right side
bug2 [3d\]: O3
Itch [8k\]: the score estimator seems to favour black
AroundOneD [2d\]: l5 is a fighting back
melk [9k\]: SE actiong very weird
Q161 [?\]: n13 is dead right?
Excalibor [-\]: is j10 dead?
ogre [2d?\]: dont look se 
Lakotnik [2k?\]: SE comedian
Q161 [?\]: lol
Eternauta [10k\]: please stop critizicing SE in a good game
Modoc [7k\]: melk I was just thinking that myself
melk [9k\]: you're right i'm sorry
Luminaire [4k\]: mindless talk makes it harder for USGO1 to answer questions and report info
blitz99: k4 not alive...
BobWhoosta [4k\]: l5 seems to overcomplicate what is a simple win.
Athanor [-\]: ofc, it's only one stone
USGO1 [-\]: Hit me with your questions, I reveal all!
Excalibor [-\]: how much time left?
Modoc [7k\]: Who will win this game
Eternauta [10k\]: are they serious or smiling???
evanj [2d\]: for you? 13 years, 4 months, 3days
Q161 [?\]: usgo1, why does andy liu scorn us this year?
blitz99: what are the next winning numbers in the lottery usgo?
hatego [3k\]: I think USGO should just put this in quiet chat mode. ^^
XY0908 [-\]: No.
Onmyoji [-\]: wy
Onmyoji [-\]: why
USGO1 [-\]: W 18min left, B double that or so
AroundOneD [2d\]: m6 too big for b
XY0908 [-\]: I am against any kind of quiet mode.
melk [9k\]: is this black group on q6 save yet?
Athanor [-\]: that would kill the kibitz
Excalibor [-\]: ok, thx... not a lot of time left, actually
iBanker [3d\]: giving up k4 and kill right side
deft [4d\]: just O3, isn't it?
Eternauta [10k\]: please , use this chat only for the game if you dont want quiet mode
Modoc [7k\]: How much time do they each get for the game?
iBanker [3d\]: is a sure win for white
USGO1 [-\]: I believe BBW is blowing down houses and eating bacon this summer.
Q161 [?\]: rofl
USGO1 [-\]: I will have to double check my sources.
deft [4d\]: since W above has more liberties in the semeai anyway there is no point in protecting O5
Onmyoji [-\]: if u dont like this chat just disable it
USGO1 [-\]: Guesses on W's next move?
iBanker [3d\]: so move like p5
VariantVL [2k?\]: o5
bug2 [3d\]: O3
Hangovers [3k\]: R10 looking big
Eternauta [10k\]: USGO are the players serious or smiling?
MrTortoise [5k\]: r4
nugatory [-\]: always seems an inverse relationship between the degree that kibbitz bothers a person and the person's propensity to read kibbitz
evanj [2d\]: r5
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;W[kn]
C[Q161 [?\]: wowza
Q161 [?\]: sever
Q161 [?\]: e
Baytovn [7k\]: nice
mollycat [6k\]: nice move for white
Onmyoji [-\]: omg my move
deft [4d\]: W no mercy
Q161 [?\]: w wants it all
Excalibor [-\]: indeed
ogre [2d?\]: as long as bbw does not try and pull a santa claus
Eternauta [10k\]: i oprefer to read high dans comments on the game and not about they personal rank
Athanor [-\]: w is good!
billbell [1d\]: who guessed l6
Luminaire [4k\]: why has black not resigned?
Itch [8k\]: does that capture the 2 black stones ?
USGO1 [-\]: Both players quite serious.
VariantVL [2k?\]: whos bbw?
bug2 [3d\]: w is not sure his wining
Excalibor [-\]: that probably makes a lot of territory on the lowe side
VariantVL [2k?\]: can anyone tell me whos bbw.
USGO1 [-\]: Bill is leaning into the board, which actually is slowly but surely moving it toward Myung Wan
Q161 [?\]: yes, bigbadwolf kgs 9d
Eternauta [10k\]: is hard to secure a win in a tournament
Athanor [-\]: if only one guy knows the score here, it's w
AroundOneD [2d\]: if b gets m6, it's close game
deft [4d\]: I think W is very sure he is winning
Shadonra [1d\]: w is a robot and his point counter rolled over
iBanker [3d\]: bbw's name is liu zhiyuan
xedover [?\]: bbw - bigbadwolf - andy liu
USGO1 [-\]: The table is less than the width of the board as it is...
hatego [3k\]: BBW is Andy Liu, his nick on KGS is BigBadWolf (hence BBW).
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;B[ko]
C[Excalibor [-\]: what's a pity there's not a live streaming
Onmyoji [-\]: i count b+14.5
ogre [2d?\]: u guys need better tables
Q161 [?\]: i find usgo
Onmyoji [-\]: what is your count everyone?
Q161 [?\]: to be more poetic
Q161 [?\]: than a livestream
VariantVL [2k?\]: oh, but where is Andy Liu this year?
USGO1 [-\]: so the board is jutting over Myung Wan's side of the table by about 2 inches.
AroundOneD [2d\]: both about 110
deft [4d\]: my count is B gets captured, game over
Modoc [7k\]: USGO how much time do they have for the game. And is there no live TV feeds?
ogre [2d?\]: next year make more biger tables
hatego [3k\]: B aiming for nuclear tesuji, USGO?
MRSA [7d\]: muzukashine, sweety chan
ismb [4d\]: b plays more and more like a 7d
deft [4d\]: no way this game is going to be counted
AroundOneD [2d\]: now who wins this fighting, who won
Itch [8k\]: o3 is sente for black ?
nasnad [2d\]: isnt white far far far ahead?
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;W[ln]
C[ogre [2d?\]: l5 seems to work to stop w
evanj [2d\]: does it?
Athanor [-\]: w resigned the fight
]
;B[jo]
C[AroundOneD [2d\]: it's ahead but can afford to give the bottom too much to b
ogre [2d?\]: now w gets to move wherever tho
ogre [2d?\]: r5 or something
USGO1 [-\]: B 37min, W 15min
Athanor [-\]: yes
grumpy [3d?\]: i don't like w l6
evanj [2d\]: tough
grumpy [3d?\]: should simply o3
bug2 [3d\]: b win
Q161 [?\]: well arent you grumpy
Excalibor [-\]: o5 seems very useful for white now
bug2 [3d\]: b+res
MRSA [7d\]: w r5?
grumpy [3d?\]: which game are you commenting on bug2?
ogre [2d?\]: eating the q6 stones is going to hurt
AroundOneD [2d\]: r4
VariantVL [2k?\]: who is ahead right now?
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;W[nq]
C[josette [1d\]: white
Onmyoji [-\]: b still ahead 11.5
ogre [2d?\]: o3 . calm and confident
VariantVL [2k?\]: i think black should r10 soon
duckasaur [4k?\]: where did you come up with 11.5?
Onmyoji [-\]: i counted
Onmyoji [-\]: what is your count?
MoonWalker [1d\]: i loled
BobWhoosta [4k\]: White can either kill right or live somewhere on the bottom now.
MRSA [7d\]: o3 nice move
Luminaire [4k\]: i don't understand why black has not resigned yet, N13 dead right? if so he is way behind?
MRSA [7d\]: good count
josette [1d\]: white is clearely ahaid
bug2 [3d\]: B r4, game over
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;B[qp]
C[MRSA [7d\]: and ahead too ^^
VariantVL [2k?\]: nice.
jjp: wow bug2
grumpy [3d?\]: bug2 really thinks b is ahead?
Nefeste [5k\]: hm still game not over )
ptitlou [2d\]: m2 ?
]
;W[lr]
C[deft [4d\]: B is obviously behind
ogre [2d?\]: w too solid now for b to fight back
BobWhoosta [4k\]: b makes nothing on the bottom now.
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;B[kq];W[qq]
C[mur [1k\]: is w a pro?
evanj [2d\]: yup
VariantVL [2k?\]: r10
];B[ri]
C[Athanor [-\]: 9P
blitz99: w+30
deft [4d\]: !!
mur [1k\]: and b? 
Onmyoji [-\]: cool move
duckasaur [4k?\]: why is white marked as 7d?
MRSA [7d\]: not that much
zolo [1k\]: b is 9k
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;W[qh];B[rj]
C[deft [4d\]: S11 nice tesuji
Concinnity [6k\]: I guess 7d is his US rank or something?
VariantVL [2k?\]: does s11 work?
]
;W[rp]
C[wuwei [4k\]: cos 7 is his lucky number
];B[ro];W[qo]
C[mollycat [6k\]: is 7 dan not the highest rank aga awards?
evanj [2d\]: yes
blitz99: i think w+30
AroundOneD [2d\]: s6
iBanker [3d\]: now
nasnad [2d\]: w too much ahead, resign soon
Athanor [-\]: b7 kind of sente
AroundOneD [2d\]: w won
bug2 [3d\]: b + res
iBanker [3d\]: dusts are settled
Athanor [-\]: for w
VariantVL [2k?\]: MRSA who won
VariantVL [2k?\]: i dont trust the other ppl.
iBanker [3d\]: b7 is big
nasnad [2d\]: i think about 30 is right
iBanker [3d\]: w ill get l2 and d2
martin3141 [1d\]: omg se's count...
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;B[qn];W[kr]
C[xedover [?\]: se can't count aga rules
blitz99: maybe even more than 30
ogre [2d?\]: poor b tho. he had some great chance in this game
]
;B[jq]
C[kukulis4 [2d\]: se lol
];W[jr]
C[nmh [1d\]: B should resign
];B[ir]
C[Athanor [-\]: b7
blitz99: resign plz
Onmyoji [-\]: why resign?
iBanker [3d\]: h2 possible latter
bug2 [3d\]: b+ res
evanj [2d\]: ok, i resign
blitz99: m3
melk [9k\]: what's the difference between japanese and aga rules?
MRSA [7d\]: resign is gote though
xedover [?\]: lol
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;W[bm];B[bl]
C[firewolf07 [3k\]: what is the difference in AGA rules compared to Japanese
Eternauta [10k\]: kibitzers who ask b resign should resign
Corun [8k\]: Pretty big gote tho
Q161 [?\]: resign so that blitz is only like 30 moves off in his prediction
ickypoo [2k\]: "no one ever win a game by resigning"
]
;W[an]
C[zolo [1k\]: i think it's still a close game
];B[po]
C[jjp: lol
Concinnity [6k\]: It's probably better to search for aga rules on google. It has a few quirky bits.
]
;W[bk]
C[firewolf07 [3k\]: oh ok
VariantVL [2k?\]: resign
];B[cl]
C[mollycat [6k\]: "no one ever missed supper by resigning"
];W[al];B[ck]
C[calin [2d\]: MRSA, what's the result?
];W[hr]
C[duckasaur [4k?\]: i think the biggest ones are area counting and suicide allowed
singleCPU [5d\]: for 7d level, this is big lose
Concinnity [6k\]: The way ko is deatl with is also different
iBanker [3d\]: white is pro
iBanker [3d\]: 9p
blitz99: yes but there was no change in the score in the last 30 moves
]
;B[iq]
C[Onmyoji [-\]: at pro level 0.5 is big lose
];W[is]
C[Q161 [?\]: erroneous
iBanker [3d\]: white can give b like 3 stone handi cap
VariantVL [2k?\]: resign
Q161 [?\]: erroneous on both counts
VariantVL [2k?\]: black losst a lot.
billbell [1d\]: w increased his lead
blitz99: w destroying b
ogre [2d?\]: no way.
MRSA [7d\]: w got lucky in this one, after he messed up the opening
deft [4d\]: no way iBanker
mur [1k\]: no video of the match?
melk [9k\]: suicide allowed makes big diffence sometimes, no?
Luminaire [4k\]: B is very young
ogre [2d?\]: b is so strong
Excalibor [-\]: i don't understand a thing: black is alive on the lot left and center (just a16 or c14 even better) and can seal off h9... so where's white ahead?
singleCPU [5d\]: after b o16 stones dead, game is already over
evanj [2d\]: it does if you're depressed
MRSA [7d\]: but strength and luck often go hand in hand ^^
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;B[rq];W[rr];B[sp]
C[Corun [8k\]: White has the entire top, + topright quarter of the board
Acemi [?\]: n13 dead Excalibur
melk [9k\]: lol
hatego [3k\]: L6 turned out to be huge.
billbell [1d\]: w is ahead on teritory
kukulis4 [2d\]: o16 ok, but N14 tragedy
ogre [2d?\]: you must forget how the game started
Eternauta [10k\]: Excalibur see the black dead in the center?
duckasaur [4k?\]: it adds ko threats melk
Excalibor [-\]: do you think n13 is worth so many points?
melk [9k\]: but than, when you're depressed, nothing makes a big diffence
iBanker [3d\]: l9 is quite big
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;W[qj]
C[Excalibor [-\]: white is also dead on the center..
Eternauta [10k\]: no
Onmyoji [-\]: lol
Edelweiss [-\]: :s
jjp: they are both dead?
Eternauta [10k\]: white is safe
]
;B[rh]
C[ogre [2d?\]: this was b pwn w in joseki of mini chinese
melk [9k\]: tnx duck
]
;W[rg]
C[blitz99: j11 alive
melk [9k\]: didn't think of that
];B[qk]
C[blitz99: n14 dead j11 alive
iBanker [3d\]: d2 is big
Athanor [-\]: yep
duckasaur [4k?\]: anyway, i think one of the rules in the ing rules is that the players can use japanese rules if they both agree beforehand
]
;W[sr];B[dr]
C[Onmyoji [-\]: lol
Onmyoji [-\]: a rule that you can use other rules
duckasaur [4k?\]: which is just a little odd
grumpy [3d?\]: the first rule of ing rules is?
BALLZ [3k\]: that's is ING rules
xedover [?\]: duck, that's not ture
]
;W[gq]
C[Luminaire [4k\]: will Ing rules be played in NAM?
wuwei [4k\]: odd, and yet completely reasonable
evanj [2d\]: grumpy: that you don't talk about ing rules?
Concinnity [6k\]: That was probably put in place in order for everyone to accept the rules :0
Excalibor [-\]: mmm
evanj [2d\]: yse, luminaire
]
;B[br]
C[Edelweiss [-\]: Onmyoji it's like say you're counting while lokking SE :s
]
;W[cr]
C[Excalibor [-\]: interesting, this game is really hard to count :)
];B[cs]
;W[bq]
C[Onmyoji [-\]: lol
Chachi [2k\]: b has no hope right?
Q161 [?\]: onmyoji help him ouy
Athanor [-\]: right
Q161 [?\]: out*
Corun [8k\]: Oh heh, SE says white is dead in a bunch of places that he's not
duckasaur [4k?\]: if you're right xedover, i played with some really screwed up tournament directors then :D
Corun [8k\]: And that black wins by 6.5 :-D
wuwei [4k\]: none whatsoever, Chachi
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;B[fc]
C[xedover [?\]: lol... that's possible
];W[fb]
C[blitz99: I count w+35++
USGO1 [-\]: W+Resign
evanj [2d\]: wooooo
Q161 [?\]: cool
Excalibor [-\]: nice game
Edelweiss [-\]: :s
Q161 [?\]: thx usgo
iBanker [3d\]: finnaly
jjp: omg
XY0908 [-\]: Thanks.
ogre [2d?\]: grats to myungwan
xedover [?\]: thanks usgo
kukulis4 [2d\]: white has 80 pts black almos 60
jjp: why play the last ~40 moves, the score didnt change
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