(;GM[1]FF[4]SZ[19]AP[SmartGo:2.5.0.0]CA[UTF-8]
GN[US Open - 2010 US Go Congress - Round 1 Board 1 - Kim, Myung Wan 7d vs Lin, Tianyu (Bill) 7d]
PW[Kim, Myung Wan]WR[7d]
PB[Lin, Tianyu (Bill)]BR[7d]
EV[2010 US Open]RO[1 (Board 1)]
DT[2010-08-01]
PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]
KM[7.5]
RE[W+]
US[Solomon Smilack]
RU[AGA]ST[2]
TM[7200.0]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
AN[Jennie Shen 2P]
C[2010 US Open
Round 1 (Board 1)
2010-08-01
University of Colorado at Colorado Springs
W: Kim, Myung Wan 9P
B: Lin, Tianyu (Bill) 7d
Commentary by Jennie Shen 2P
Game recorded by Solomon Smilack
Published in the American Go E-Journal

]
;B[dp];W[pd];B[cd];W[pq];B[nc]
C[xaek: lol
Q161 [?\]: lol
yamashitaK [5d\]: haha
Hamster94 [4k\]: w-m17?
]
(;W[qf];B[ic]
C[usagi [1d\]: Hi, nice to have a lecture again
Jennie [2p\]: mini chinese 
hatego [3k\]: Censor comments?
leachy [5k\]: eh? no audio....
Jennie [2p\]: first i want to say i hate this opening
Jennie [2p\]: sorry
lordik [9k?\]: why is it annoying?
xaek: too much area at first
Jennie [2p\]: so this opening has been going on and on for over 15 years
usagi [1d\]: Do you mean that you would not play this as black?
madcow [2d\]: everyone keeps playing it
Hamster94 [4k\]: no
Jennie [2p\]: i think they should do something else
madcow [2d\]: and repeating this thing
ogre [2d?\]: lol
Hamster94 [4k\]: as white she wouldnt play it
Jennie [2p\]: i hate this opening as black
]
;W[cj]
C[Jennie [2p\]: so this is common
Jennie [2p\]: for white
leachy [5k\]: LORDIK: mini-chinese opening read it on senseis a standard opening b at top
]
;B[cm]
C[Jennie [2p\]: this is also commo
Jennie [2p\]: common
];W[cg];B[di]
(;W[eg]
C[ogre [2d?\]: d14
Jennie [2p\]: this is a variation
Jennie [2p\]: interesting
ismb [4d\]: e16
leachy [5k\]: ah so this is better?
Jennie [2p\]: i think it's more interesting than just play C11
Jennie [2p\]: but it depends on the style
]
;B[ci];W[ed];B[ee]
C[ogre [2d?\]: d14 d13 c11 e16 e17 d16 d17 
Jennie [2p\]: but this move, first time i see it
]
;W[de];B[dd]
(;W[ec]
C[Jennie [2p\]: HI'
Itch [8k\]: hi
Q161 [?\]: hi jennie!
trueno [6d\]: hi
Yoxo [14k\]: hi
LunaSlave [10k\]: hihi :)
handshake [5k?\]: hello
vaxou [4k\]: hello !
vaxou [4k\]: thanks
manakem10 [6k\]: nice to meet you again
Hamster94 [4k\]: hello
Jennie [2p\]: this is severe
]
;B[fe]
C[Jennie [2p\]: good morning
lorenzo [15k\]: hi
barakeel [3d\]: hello
Jennie [2p\]: I'm at the Congress 
Z3R0 [5k\]: hello =\]
hatego [3k\]: Thank you. ^^
barakeel [3d\]: thanks
Itch [8k\]: good afternoon :-)
ogre [2d?\]: hi
yuca [9k\]: fighting game
Jennie [2p\]: and this is first game of US open
ALOALO [-\]: Hello
yosogo [1d\]: hi
Jennie [2p\]: what is the shape for white here?
yosogo [1d\]: bad
Itch [8k\]: c18 ?
barakeel [3d\]: c15
ogre [2d?\]: i think e17 instead of e15 is the way
Gigot [2k\]: c15?
miaumiau: c18
Jennie [2p\]: F15 is the only move
Jennie [2p\]: black must fight this way
]
;W[ce]
C[cherisse [1k\]: awesome!
Jennie [2p\]: thanks for join us
ogre [2d?\]: there was some debate about the sequences on w e13
ogre [2d?\]: do you know about e13d14?
Jennie [2p\]: ok
Jennie [2p\]: we start to look at the game from the beginning
Jennie [2p\]: this is correct
Jennie [2p\]: shape for white
]
;B[db]
C[Jennie [2p\]: but this leads to a fight
Jennie [2p\]: the thing is, black can lose the top if black loses this fight
ogre [2d?\]: is this some really new variation or something?
Dagobert [4d\]: what is the normal variation after w e16 ?
Jennie [2p\]: i think the fight is a little better for white
]
;W[dc];B[cc];W[eb]
C[ogre [2d?\]: i thought e17 was the normal
Jennie [2p\]: cause the corner is not alive
]
(;B[be];W[bf];B[bd]
C[Jennie [2p\]: this is the game
Jennie [2p\]: but white can take D18 stone in sente
Jennie [2p\]: the top is almost alive then
]
;W[gd]LB[ba:4][da:3][bb:2][cb:1]
C[Jennie [2p\]: i mean the 1-4 sequence for white, then white is almost alive
leachy [5k\]: so black e15 favours white?
N4KED [1d\]: white can start at 3 though
Greck [2d\]: so you mean g16 bad?
Itch [8k\]: can white attck the corner in another way ?
ogre [2d?\]: dagobert the sequence of e17 d16 d17 c17 b17 c18 b18 c15 b16 f17 d18  e18 c19 
yun85 [2k\]: white and black should be alife there..
lobosaito [2k\]: b18?
ogre [2d?\]: i think
Jennie [2p\]: e15 can lead to a bad fight for black
Jennie [2p\]: but this is not clear
]
;B[eh]
C[lobosaito [2k\]: W B18 NO G16
Dagobert [4d\]: thx ogre
]
(;W[dh]
C[ogre [2d?\]: its bad move normally but its good cause it lets b hane at f16
]
;B[ge]
C[ogre [2d?\]: but. d14 first is a way to avoid that sequence
Jennie [2p\]: black is trying to close the left
Jennie [2p\]: Myung is still thinking
]
(;W[hd]
C[Jennie [2p\]: i guess this is also his first time to play this variation
Q161 [?\]: hehe
DangoMango [2k\]: it's blacks turn so how is myung thinking?
Xiangqi [2k\]: didnt you just say this was bad for white?
Harleqin [2d\]: What else can White do, instead of H16?
Jennie [2p\]: white needs to come out
go1d [4d\]: white wants to do a semeai ?
danigabi [5d\]: Jennie, we were looking at White G14 instead of D12
Greck [2d\]: oh w played this?
Jennie [2p\]: but he has to make sure he can escape on the left
danigabi [5d\]: i know its going back a few moves but they seem to capture F15 stones
Violence [?\]: can black even play F13 now?
]
(;B[fh]LB[bb:A]
C[ogre [2d?\]: i dont know how b escapes g14
Jennie [2p\]: this is the game
Goprince [3d\]: if b play f13 w takes c11
Jennie [2p\]: we haven't looked at this yet
dog [2d\]: b11
yun85 [2k\]: i dont think c12 for white can make it alife
Sire [2k\]: yep
Jennie [2p\]: locally white plays A can kill the corner
Jennie [2p\]: but white has to try to escape first
Sire [2k\]: hmm
barakeel [3d\]: how many libs is the corner?
Jennie [2p\]: so many
dog [2d\]: c12 can live?
Jennie [2p\]: white has no chance to win the capture race
N4KED [1d\]: b11 doesnt work?
yun85 [2k\]: like 10+?
yun85 [2k\]: no idea..
Greck [2d\]: what should w do?
Goprince [3d\]: how about f13 g13 b11 
Sire [2k\]: b12?
]
(;W[fg]
C[yun85 [2k\]: either way is quite bad i think...
usagi [1d\]: oh this is live
Sire [2k\]: i think e14, then b12 
usagi [1d\]: cool :)
N4KED [1d\]: all this pushing out seems bad
Goprince [3d\]: probly b11 will be the key
]
(;B[fd]
C[Kour [4k\]: e11 look like something to work with for w
taiji [2d\]: so give up e17?
Sire [2k\]: not really
barakeel [3d\]: cant give up
N4KED [1d\]: no way
michi2009 [6d\]: very complicated
Sire [2k\]: h13
F525 [15k\]: I would assume that both black and white would be able to read this far if B cut at G13. Why do you think B chose not to cut?
]
;W[gb]LB[he:A][ie:B]
C[Jennie [2p\]: jump is the shape for white
Jennie [2p\]: black can have two sente moves at A B
]
;B[he]LB[id:A]
C[Jennie [2p\]: it looks hard for white
Sire [2k\]: bad to white now
F525 [15k\]: If W extends F13 here, is he dead?
Jennie [2p\]: if white comes out now
yun85 [2k\]: white trying to gain more lib?
yun85 [2k\]: lol..
Harleqin [2d\]: The top group has miai of J16 and C18, so I guess White has to get out at G13 now.
Sire [2k\]: i see ladder here
Harleqin [2d\]: It is very painful, though.
yun85 [2k\]: its would be really devasting now if white die at e13
vannab [3k\]: but b corner still unstable?
yun85 [2k\]: black corner isnt alife
yun85 [2k\]: but got more than 10 libs
barakeel [3d\]: he can take c18 in sente
barakeel [3d\]: and live
yosogo [1d\]: g13 is only way for w?
Sire [2k\]: j15?
Sire [2k\]: still bad, haha
ogre [2d?\]: g12 w might live but looks too good for b
usagi [1d\]: cut your losses now
usagi [1d\]: maybe
yun85 [2k\]: looks like the fighting spirit makes things pretty bad for white lol...
ismb [4d\]: Hwy does b save F17?
]
(;W[cb];B[bb]
C[taiji [2d\]: at least w can have a game that way
];W[da]
C[ogre [2d?\]: very painful
ogre [2d?\]: he did this
Jennie [2p\]: yes
Q161 [?\]: so is w behind a lot now?
Jennie [2p\]: he has to give up the top, lose some on top to save the left
Jennie [2p\]: no, the fight is not over yet, hard to say
]
;B[ba];W[ac];B[ab];W[id];B[ie]
C[Jennie [2p\]: hmm
ogre [2d?\]: make a14 sente
Jennie [2p\]: if white still comes out, why let black live first in the corner?
leachy [5k\]: they play so fast considering they have 120 mins
usagi [1d\]: and all in a corner
ogre [2d?\]: so d15 group end up with ko?
vannab [3k\]: b b18 instead of c18 nothing?
ogre [2d?\]: b11 b12 a12 b10 a10  kinda thing
carbon729 [4d\]: close his eyes and K16 first
barakeel [3d\]: i prefer to die on the left than to live barely on both side
blitz99: k16 is a must
smonds1 [6k\]: This seems very unusual for mini-chinese
usagi [1d\]: if he's come this far it seems likely to k16
Goprince [3d\]: w cant die on left or game is pretty much over
]
;W[ae];B[bc]
C[ogre [2d?\]: but if w dies then b stays more strong
Goprince [3d\]: waste of ko threats?
ogre [2d?\]: no reduce libs on corner
barakeel [3d\]: haha
usagi [1d\]: no its to prevent c11 from making a sente move there
DangoMango [2k\]: why waste threats?
blitz99: timesuji
ogre [2d?\]: if w gets a14 without enough libs its no good
leachy [5k\]: noone answers jennie's question.
ogre [2d?\]: need to be able to connect a16 and c19 a19 to eat corner
smonds1 [6k\]: this seems to be a way to play A14 in sente to get eyees
DangoMango [2k\]: this is no time suji
DangoMango [2k\]: this is aji keshi!
Goprince [3d\]: was probly a rhetorical question leachy
barakeel [3d\]: leachy,  that was rethorical
vannab [3k\]: c18 -> b18 ?
]
;W[jd];B[df]
C[hatego [3k\]: Hmm.
leachy [5k\]: i guess so ... i really didnt understand the question sorry
blitz99: leachy it was rhetorical obviously...
hatego [3k\]: Discuss game, not english.
vannab [3k\]: very relevant question..
barakeel [3d\]: was a ko if he didnt play here?
blitz99: 5 bucks on c14
carbon729 [4d\]: A15 is thinking about abandon these 2 stones??
barakeel [3d\]: ok
Jennie [2p\]: the top black lost so much, then he has to kill the left
Q161 [?\]: i cant see how w can live on left
yun85 [2k\]: left seems dead already..
ARPAnet [5k\]: w may live partially?
Goprince [3d\]: b11 and take ponuki is only way i see to profit
yosogo [1d\]: if w get killed then game is over?
Itch [8k\]: no
carbon729 [4d\]: no
blitz99: no
carbon729 [4d\]: w can even make tenuki now
ogre [2d?\]: g15 stones is too long
Xiangqi [2k\]: white did all this to break up the top. and he succeeded
blitz99: yes
carbon729 [4d\]: to take like K4 if w likes to
ogre [2d?\]: i dont think its good enough
usagi [1d\]: We need miracle max
Xiangqi [2k\]: well i have to agree. it looks like the left is bigger than the top was ever going to be
jwc [-\]: shouldn't b has played this before b17?
ogre [2d?\]: cant go d14 tho now
Alguien: Can f13 stone live enough to allow w to attack both d11 and j15 before sacrificing?
blitz99: only cappy is able to do so
blitz99: in rl go it doesn´t work
Jennie [2p\]: i just went to the tournament room, Myung doesn't look so happy.  
Jennie [2p\]: hehe
hatego [3k\]: Fighting with f13 will just give B more points.
]
;W[cn]
C[hatego [3k\]: Poor Myung wan. :-(
Jennie [2p\]: this fight is hard for everyone
Jennie [2p\]: i was going to say he is thinking about some exchange
Jennie [2p\]: this is his move
Goprince [3d\]: nice i tihnk es aiming at b11
Jennie [2p\]: Lin is young, i guess 15 year old, not sure
leachy [5k\]: what is c6? some kind of probe?
carbon729 [4d\]: black B10??
DangoMango [2k\]: c6 is a resigning move?
smonds1 [6k\]: lol
Jennie [2p\]: white cannot see anything good to fight at D12 area directly, he tries to do some exchanges
vannab [3k\]: c6 teasing move
Jennie [2p\]: casue there are lots of aji at D12 area
Jennie [2p\]: try to use the aji and make profit here
barakeel [3d\]: it is a trouble making  move
]
;B[dm]
C[leachy [5k\]: so c6 tries to use that aji or make good on bottom corner
Jennie [2p\]: this nobi seems obvious, black needs to worry about the aji and fix it
blackman [1k\]: kill bill
carbon729 [4d\]: no pain, no gain
OneColorGo [2d\]: b5 ftw
Xiangqi [2k\]: these are amature dans?
ogre [2d?\]: maybe b will experience pain for a change
Jennie [2p\]: Myung is 9p
Jennie [2p\]: Lin, i don't know, but he sounds pretty good so far, a good fighter
SpaceCow [2k\]: and lin?
leachy [5k\]: lin not yet mateur (sic)
Xiangqi [2k\]: lol
hatego [3k\]: Why did you just use "sic" on your own sentence? Makes no sense, haha.
SpaceCow [2k\]: amature?
Xiangqi [2k\]: hes an imature dan
jwc [-\]: mature?
Dupaaxe [?\]: C6 helping B ?
carbon729 [4d\]: why the strong players will meet in the first round?
SpaceCow [2k\]: why not?
ogre [2d?\]: its fun to watch
hatego [3k\]: They are breacketed this way?
hatego [3k\]: bracketed*
carbon729 [4d\]: usually, strong players will meet in later rounds...
leachy [5k\]: hatego, go back to school and learn english. sic is latin (means thus, affirmative) and guarantees the accuracy of what i just wrote (ie. it's not a typo
Mef [-\]: carbon - if you have 32 strong players, takes 5 rounds of strong v. strong to find a winner
SpaceCow [2k\]: ^^
Itch [8k\]: sic is also short for sick
Q161 [?\]: lol leachy, tell him to learn more english so he can understand latin?
Q161 [?\]: bwahah
ogre [2d?\]: ok so whats w gonna do
fivekiller [3k\]: we do not know who is strong that is why we have a tournament
ogre [2d?\]: lets talk bout game again?
anarres [3k\]: i'd say 9p is strong
ogre [2d?\]: was strting to get tired in my brain but long game left. lol
leachy [5k\]: lol @ Q161
Emerson [5k\]: lol.
reprisal [3d\]: does anyone see c6/d7 exchange helping w?
Itch [8k\]: no clue who is winning
yosogo [1d\]: so who is leading?
Itch [8k\]: looks like a fight
vannab [3k\]: what will be w's plan now?
carbon729 [4d\]: b is leading
Jennie [2p\]: very messy
carbon729 [4d\]: because jenny said that w has painful expression now
Jennie [2p\]: Myung didn't have a good solusion on the left, D12 area, 
barakeel [3d\]: b9 is a good point for white
Jennie [2p\]: actually, C6, i don't quite know what his follow up is
reprisal [3d\]: this exchange seems to help B fix his weaknesses to me
sadfs: maybe b11?
yosogo [1d\]: b9 seems good
ogre [2d?\]: e5?
Training99 [6d\]: c4 probably
GoIsBoring [3d\]: e4 
Jennie [2p\]: hard game, for them and for me too :)
vannab [3k\]: f3?
]
;W[cq]
C[Jennie [2p\]: hmm
ogre [2d?\]: just c3 huh
yosogo [1d\]: c4
barakeel [3d\]: d3
]
;B[dq]
C[Itch [8k\]: just take a small corner, is that good ?
ogre [2d?\]: all go players are human
barakeel [3d\]: except lee sedol and gu li
DangoMango [2k\]: u should reword it to all pros are humans too
Kour [4k\]: and the bots
Jennie [2p\]: take the corner is not impressive
xylix: GnuGo isn't human =)
Placoplatr [3k\]: why d3 ? black will end with sente ?
Jennie [2p\]: he might not see anything good, debating forever and chose the simple one
GoIsBoring [3d\]: w play like kyu
ogre [2d?\]: i was hoping for something to get a compensation
Goprince [3d\]: i tohught w would pla on botom threatening to take corner
ogre [2d?\]: w might get ground down
Jennie [2p\]: but if the left side is just dead, i like black
DangoMango [2k\]: if w plays like a kyu, then i play like a n00b
Korea4K [2d\]: how think D6?
Xiangqi [2k\]: lol
]
;W[cp]
C[Jennie [2p\]: we don't get air conditioning here, it's hot
evanj [2d\]: are we seeing w's first AGA loss?!
ogre [2d?\]: w never lost aga before?
barakeel [3d\]: i am not sure
ogre [2d?\]: wow
evanj [2d\]: no
barakeel [3d\]: i bet white will win
Itch [8k\]: nice wall for black
DangoMango [2k\]: it's freeezing here with my ac
DangoMango [2k\]: haha
reprisal [3d\]: a lot of empty space left on the board to be calling it over
evanj [2d\]: w has never lost a rated AGA game
Jennie [2p\]: it's too early to say white is behind, it's still messy
Q161 [?\]: im sure w didnt get 9p by giving up 54 moves in
Mef [-\]: w is building the hat to pull a rabbit out of (=
]
;B[bn]
C[carbon729 [4d\]: when there are no good moves, just to take cash....w must be thinking of this
ogre [2d?\]: yea w has got to have some kind of plan
]
;W[ei]
C[Xiangqi [2k\]: mayne the mob paid white off to lose
evanj [2d\]: hm
hiss [-\]: stange timing, I don't understand
barakeel [3d\]: atari?
billbell [1d\]: drop a bomb
ogre [2d?\]: w split the conflict into 2 places for extra complexity
ogre [2d?\]: better chances that way i guess
Jennie [2p\]: yea, he must do something
iancho [1d\]: starting this after b has d7 seems odd
]
;B[dg]
C[Jennie [2p\]: hmm, nothing severe
michi2009 [6d\]: but c5
kimball [4d?\]: but the corner will die if b8 is sente no?
]
(;W[ch];B[bi]
C[Jennie [2p\]: the game
Jennie [2p\]: only way
USGO1 [-\]: Jennie you are psychic...
P1X3L [5k\]: is a 2p :P
ogre [2d?\]: e10 no good
]
(;W[bo];B[dn]
C[blitz99: atleast many ko threats
Goprince [3d\]: w can f10 firts
]
(;W[do];B[eo];W[co]
C[ogre [2d?\]: b can let w cut e4
]
(;B[fp]
C[yosogo [1d\]: b8?
MATb [3d\]: why f4
ogre [2d?\]: i dont think b8 helps
hatego [3k\]: That cut seems really painful, I'd thought it would be necessary.
]
;W[ej]
C[ogre [2d?\]: d12 no libs
Jennie [2p\]: he is greedy, :)
DangoMango [2k\]: who is greedy?
Jennie [2p\]: F4 a little
ogre [2d?\]: b greedy
]
;B[fi]
C[hatego [3k\]: necessary to protect*
croc [5d\]: b seems not bad
barakeel [3d\]: why black doesnt play g12?
just9x9 [-\]: would be bad shape now :)
engelchen [1d\]: because its not good
]
(;W[jp];B[fj];W[oc]
C[ogre [2d?\]: i guess k4 first make it strong enough to get something good
carbon729 [4d\]: considering that b's greedy, he won't play F10 I guess....
ogre [2d?\]: he did tho
cl3m [3k\]: o17 isn't too early ? somethin like q6 not better ?
yosogo [1d\]: now o15 is possible?
evanj [2d\]: you mean p17 cl3m?
carbon729 [4d\]: poor SE
cl3m [3k\]: no 017, but yes, imo p17 too
evanj [2d\]: o17 was played a long time ago
evanj [2d\]: o17 was move 5
cl3m [3k\]: sorry
SpaceCow [2k\]: eh?
al2 [1d\]: LOL @carbon729 [4d\]: poor SE 
USGO1 [-\]: Jennie's computer froze - she'll be right back after a reboot.
blitz99: jennie left at the moment SE is down?? Suspicious....
ogre [2d?\]: yea maybe jennie is actually a robot that lives inside of kgs
Autumn [-\]: lol, nah
hiss [-\]: so, there was no need in f10 ?
Arhiman [1k\]: I say w+5,5
ProoMas [12k\]: lol
ProoMas [12k\]: ;D
ogre [2d?\]: f10 needed
ProoMas [12k\]: SE whore
ProoMas [12k\]: ;D
carbon729 [4d\]: why kgs doesn't study a better SE
ogre [2d?\]: after k4 smushing b f4 stones
al2 [1d\]: even better, just remove it
carbon729 [4d\]: yes....
carbon729 [4d\]: or just a calculator
carbon729 [4d\]: much easier
sweety [-\]: hi
blitz99: hi
sweety [-\]: jennie's PC just died
Autumn [-\]: wow
ProoMas [12k\]: awww=
ProoMas [12k\]: =(
blitz99: windows....
ogre [2d?\]: f10 g10 g9 h11 d10 b10 b9 c14 c8 b7 f7  or something
sweety [-\]: it's lunch time, she has to do kyu player's game review at 1pm
sweety [-\]: we have to stop commenting 
sweety [-\]: sorry about this
ogre [2d?\]: dang
al2 [1d\]: thanks 
ProoMas [12k\]: ty
vannab [3k\]: thanks
hatego [3k\]: Tell her thanks, sweety.
]
;B[nd];W[ld];B[of];W[pf];B[og];W[pi];B[lf];W[kf];B[ob];W[pb];B[od];W[pc]
;B[ke];W[je];B[jf];W[kg];B[le])
(;W[fj]
C[Jennie [2p\]: this area, the aji
];B[gj]
C[Jennie [2p\]: only move
];W[gk];B[hi];W[dj];B[bj];W[hk];B[ii]
C[ProoMas [12k\]: b can't cut F9?
carbon729 [4d\]: w got nothing...?
Jennie [2p\]: not very severe now (white)
carbon729 [4d\]: but a weak group
ogre [2d?\]: cant w add b9 and c8 ? to give slight pressure on e5 stones?
carbon729 [4d\]: to dance near b's moyo?
]
))
(;B[gh];W[ep];B[fo]
C[Jennie [2p\]: if this, i think it's good enough for black
]))
(;W[co];B[gh]
C[Jennie [2p\]: if this
cl3m [3k\]: e10 first ?
Jennie [2p\]: i like black
cl3m [3k\]: e10 w, thret ladder, then b10 ?
cl3m [3k\]: treat
cl3m [3k\]: thread
barakeel [3d\]: we already saw that^^ cl3m
]
))
(;W[bj]
C[reprisal [3d\]: the corner invasion is still looking awkward
Jennie [2p\]: if this
]
;B[dj];W[ej];B[ek]
C[Jennie [2p\]: doesn't work for white
]))
(;W[ch]
C[barakeel [3d\]: d10?
hiss [-\]: b11 ?
]
(;B[dj];W[ej]
C[Jennie [2p\]: this?
barakeel [3d\]: ahh
Itch [8k\]: ladder ?
michi2009 [6d\]: e9
evanj [2d\]: f11?
]
;B[ek];W[bi]
C[carbon729 [4d\]: corner will be dead
];B[dk]
(;W[bk]
C[evanj [2d\]: no e9 better
Jennie [2p\]: if white alive?
])
(;W[cf];B[ef];W[bk]
C[Jennie [2p\]: alive
]))
(;B[bi]
C[michi2009 [6d\]: b11 more natural?
];W[ej];B[gh];W[bj]
C[ogre [2d?\]: oh
];B[bh]
C[barakeel [3d\]: white dead
];W[bg];B[cf];W[dj]
C[ogre [2d?\]: thsi why b7 aji
];B[ag]
C[ogre [2d?\]: uh
Jennie [2p\]: this result, not impressive for white
evanj [2d\]: that's putting it mildly
]
)))
(;W[id]
C[Goprince [3d\]: enough liberties to kill corenr though?
];B[ie];W[jd];B[gh]
C[F525 [15k\]: I mean is E17 dead if he extends.
];W[gg];B[hh];W[hg];B[ig]
;W[ih];B[jg]
C[Jennie [2p\]: this doesn't look like whie can escape
])
(;W[gg];B[id];W[cb];B[bb];W[da];B[ba]
C[barakeel [3d\]: not sente live
barakeel [3d\]: life
ogre [2d?\]: too good for b
Jennie [2p\]: white is not alive yet
barakeel [3d\]: yeah
]
))
(;B[gg];W[gh];B[hg];W[ei];B[fi];W[ej];B[dj]
C[Jennie [2p\]: this one
Jennie [2p\]: i don't have a solusion for white
Goprince [3d\]: doesnt b11 work?
Jennie [2p\]: yet
Goprince [3d\]: before w does cutting
ioxw: w so bad so?
Jennie [2p\]: but this look scary
ioxw: ..
Jennie [2p\]: like the game is over right away
michi2009 [6d\]: d9?
ioxw: ok...
]
))
(;W[fg];B[gg]
C[danigabi [5d\]: that was discussed already
DangoMango [2k\]: can white live?
yun85 [2k\]: so i guess, its not wise to g12
yun85 [2k\]: ?
]
;W[gh]
C[lobosaito [2k\]: b12?
ogre [2d?\]: maybe w mised it? or saw something 
Jennie [2p\]: seems forced if black wants to eat white
PogoGo [?\]: this looks worse than the hane?
]
;B[hg]
C[dog [2d\]: w c12 
Xiangqi [2k\]: this white e13 is looking less and less interesting 
dog [2d\]: i think c12 is the only hope
Goprince [3d\]: h12?
Sire [2k\]: life with top left ko?
]
;W[ei];B[fi];W[ej];B[dj]
C[yun85 [2k\]: isnt this good for b?
lobosaito [2k\]: e9
dog [2d\]: yes it is
dog [2d\]: b is collecting cash while w is not even alive yet
Jennie [2p\]: how does white escape?
Harleqin [2d\]: E9?
dog [2d\]: make local life?
workforce [2d\]: d9
SLMaccabee [2k\]: d9?
yosogo [1d\]: e9
SpaceCow [2k\]: d9
]
;W[ek]
C[DangoMango [2k\]: white dies
];B[gi];W[dk];B[bj];W[ck];B[bh];W[bk];B[df]
;W[cf];B[ef]
C[yun85 [2k\]: gg for w
Jennie [2p\]: who died?
yun85 [2k\]: lol..
yosogo [1d\]: w
yun85 [2k\]: white
usagi [1d\]: g12 d13, danigabi?
danigabi [5d\]: why do u ask me
usagi [1d\]: err g14, i mean, dani
]
))
(;B[fg];W[ei];B[fh]
C[go1d [4d\]: the question of danigabi is interesting
];W[bi]
C[leachy [5k\]: muy intereste
Violence [?\]: oh, I see
Violence [?\]: missed this
]
(;B[ch]
C[Violence [?\]: yeah
];W[bh];B[dg];W[dj]
C[Jennie [2p\]: this is not bad for white
])
(;B[dj];W[bh];B[ck];W[bj]
C[Jennie [2p\]: white can live
])))
(;W[hd];B[fg]
C[Jennie [2p\]: if white nobi out
Jennie [2p\]: black can hane and close white
]
(;W[fh];B[ei];W[gg];B[ff];W[hh];B[ch];W[dg];B[df]
C[Harleqin [2d\]: White could play E11, then capture two stones, no?
];W[cf]
;B[ef]
C[Jennie [2p\]: white dies
])
(;W[ei];B[fh];W[dj]
C[Jennie [2p\]: if this who dies?
lobosaito [2k\]: e10
go1d [4d\]: white
Jennie [2p\]: hehe
]
;B[ch];W[dg];B[bj]
C[Harleqin [2d\]: A11
];W[bk];B[ej]
C[go1d [4d\]: shicho '_'
];W[fi]
C[yosogo [1d\]: w
];B[ck];W[dk];B[gi]
C[Harleqin [2d\]: oh
lobosaito [2k\]: b12
Jennie [2p\]: the ladder works for black
]
)))
(;W[fg];B[ge]LB[cf:2][df:1][dg:3][eh:A]
C[Jennie [2p\]: A is aiming the 1-3 sequence
Jennie [2p\]: to cut white off
]
))
(;B[cb];W[gd]
C[Jennie [2p\]: this way. black needs another move to live in the corner
]
;B[be];W[bf];B[bd];W[ge]
C[Jennie [2p\]: i like white better
]))
(;W[fe];B[ec]
C[Q161 [?\]: e15 overplay?
Jennie [2p\]: i guess this is black's plan
];W[ef]
;B[fc]
C[dfbdfbd: lol whatever happened to the "always connect when peep"?
Jennie [2p\]: he thinks he gets cash and white is over-concentrated
]
))
(;W[ci]
C[ogre [2d?\]: c11 recommended
Jennie [2p\]: if white comes here
ogre [2d?\]: d13
Jennie [2p\]: what is black's reply?
jenesis [4d?\]: d14
Sentenel [-\]: d14
barakeel [3d\]: d14
usagi [1d\]: d13
ogre [2d?\]: d14 old
Jennie [2p\]: yes
Jennie [2p\]: very good
ogre [2d?\]: d13 new
leachy [5k\]: d14 looks most natural
yosogo [1d\]: d13
Jennie [2p\]: black wants to build a wall and make the top big
xaek: which one?!
Jennie [2p\]: that's the idea of this opening
Jennie [2p\]: build the top by attacking the left
]
;B[dg]
(;W[df]
C[Jennie [2p\]: if white hane, what does black do?
DangoMango [2k\]: cut
]
(;B[cf]
C[Jennie [2p\]: cut is the only move
ogre [2d?\]: e14 b14 
Jennie [2p\]: but after this, white doesn't have a good reply
Jennie [2p\]: i mean white cannot crush black and come out here
]
;W[dh]
C[Q161 [?\]: this looks fun though :D
];B[eg];W[eh];B[fg]
C[Jennie [2p\]: black is happy with this
Jennie [2p\]: cause black wants the top
ogre [2d?\]: oh wait
]
;W[ce];B[bf];W[de];B[be];W[dd];B[cc]
C[Jennie [2p\]: this fight is good for black 
Jennie [2p\]: white has two groups
ogre [2d?\]: yea w does not hane
lobosaito [2k\]: dont looks good for w
]
;W[hd];B[id];W[he];B[bg];W[ch]
(;B[fh]
C[ogre [2d?\]: extend straight
])
(;B[hc]
C[Jennie [2p\]: like this
leachy [5k\]: yeah w in trouble
vaxou [4k\]: what should w do ?
Jennie [2p\]: hard to deal with two groups
]
))
(;B[eg]
C[leachy [5k\]: as well
];W[cf]SQ[dg:eg][di]
C[Jennie [2p\]: this is very bad for black
Jennie [2p\]: white comes out, black gets nothing but 3 weak stones
ogre [2d?\]: c14 e14 b14 
leachy [5k\]: yep top weak
]
))
(;W[cf];B[df];W[ce];B[de];W[bd];B[ch];W[bh];B[dh]
C[Jennie [2p\]: this is one way for white
Jennie [2p\]: now there are so many cuts
]
;W[cc];B[dd];W[bf];B[dc]
C[Jennie [2p\]: this way black get a wall
Jennie [2p\]: very strong wall
ogre [2d?\]: then o15
Jennie [2p\]: white gets cash
]
;W[cb]
(;B[oe])
(;B[ne]
C[Jennie [2p\]: sorry  black jumps
Q161 [?\]: this cant be good for w
leachy [5k\]: not enough cash it seems to me
Ootakamoku [5k?\]: b better i think
Jennie [2p\]: it's a good game for both
ZeroTenshi [-\]: white gets just 17 points here
yosogo [1d\]: is c18 necessary
Jennie [2p\]: moyo vs cash
Jennie [2p\]: C18 is big
]
))))
(;W[fd]
C[Jennie [2p\]: so if i play white i play here
Jennie [2p\]: then he won't be able to get this annoying opening
]
))

