(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[5400]OT[5x40 byo-yomi]
GN[3rd AGA Pro Qualification Tournament Round 4]PW[Eric Lui]PB[Jeremy Chiu]WR[7d]BR[6d]DT[2015-01-05]EV[3rd AGA Pro Qualification Tournament Round 4]RO[4]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[William Luff and Andrew Okun]RE[W+Resign]
;B[pd]C[USGO4 [-\]: the game begins.
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;W[dc]
;B[qp]
;W[dq]
;B[do]
;W[cm]
;B[cq]
;W[gq]C[USGO4 [-\]: Jeremy Chiu has been very impressive thus far this tournament.
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;B[oq]C[USGO4 [-\]: showing poise well beyond his years.
spacetime [4d\]: who's recording?
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;W[cr]C[USGO4 [-\]: It's William Luff. Hello Will.
Benzene [3d\]: tenuki g3 seems popular recently
namtg [1k\]: hello will..thanks
namtg [1k\]: is there anyone who is undefeted?
USGO4 [-\]: yes, Eric Lui and Ryan Li are both undefeated.
USGO4 [-\]: http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-results-2014#results
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;B[de]C[LRO [?\]: are there livestream commentaries ?
arbas [1k?\]: double tenuki
namtg [1k\]: thank you again..i believe eric..this year he will be champion
USGO4 [-\]: I don't believe so.
USGO4 [-\]: Kim Myungwan and Mark Lee, winner of the North American Masters Tournament are both oberserving the games.
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;W[cg]C[oonicks [?\]: i like d15 made the game interesting also
lance [1k\]: pro commentary?
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;B[cc]C[oonicks [?\]: just a quest for it:)
odnihs [-\]: is kmw doing commentary on some games later on in the week?
Javaness [2d\]: this position is quite amusing
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;W[cb]
;B[cd]
;W[gc]C[oonicks [?\]:  it is interesting w  now opted for c2 immediatly
USGO2 [-\]: odnihs: yes
USGO2 [-\]: not sure when though
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;B[eb]
;W[db]
;B[dg]
;W[dh]
;B[ec]C[odnihs [-\]: okay, thanks
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;W[ed]
;B[dd]
;W[fc]
;B[ch]
;W[ci]C[koke [1d\]: Shouldn't b have f16 first?
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;B[bh]
;W[eg]C[hume [4k\]: Imho yes
USGO4 [-\]: a fly has landed on the board
USGO4 [-\]: right next to c7
USGO4 [-\]: and now on c7
koke [1d\]: Maybe this is joseki too
hume [4k\]: Ll
hume [4k\]: Lol
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;B[fd]C[USGO4 [-\]: After much waving my Eric, the fly finally flew away, only to come back. Though now it seems gone for good.
USGO4 [-\]: Now the players return to their contemplation.
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;W[ee]
;B[ef]
;W[fe]C[Justin9202 [7k\]: yes those flies can be a bother
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;B[ff]C[oonicks [?\]: yup
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;W[ge]
;B[df]C[daniug [2d\]: w better
lance [1k\]: back to the flow
hume [4k\]: Well, b is thick 
USGO4 [-\]: Mark Lee is observing the game now.
Benzene [3d\]: is he elligble for pro?
Benzene [3d\]: or not american?
Justin9202 [7k\]:  oh eric lui is back 
Justin9202 [7k\]: what are the age restrictions for aga pro exame btw
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;W[di]
;B[bi]
;W[bj]
;B[bg]C[oonicks [?\]: c4?
USGO4 [-\]: I don't believe there are any age retrictions.
spacetime [4d\]: yuan zhou is 40
hume [4k\]: Below 99y
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;W[qf]
;B[nc]
;W[rd]C[U [?\]: as long as you win one of the qualifiers you can get in
HKA [2d\]: That may change in the future, but in any event, thus far the victors have tended to be young
Benzene [3d\]: who are the pros so far, andy liu, gansheng shi, and calvin sun?
U [?\]: yes
jwc [-\]: shouldn't b play something like d7? 
Benzene [3d\]: d7 and crosscut is intersting
ScorpianGo [2d\]: jup
ScorpianGo [2d\]: but r9 side is too wide open
ScorpianGo [2d\]: that seems bigger to settle in some way
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;B[qc]
;W[qi]C[USGO4 [-\]: Kim Myungwan is now taking a look.
served [3d\]: USGO: Do you know what round Ryan and Eric play?
USGO4 [-\]: the last round.
served [3d\]: heh
HKA [2d\]: thanks, that was a great question
kairos [-\]: r17 strange decision
HKA [2d\]: so Wednesday morning
USGO4 [-\]: yes
oonicks [?\]: yes alltho if b plays r8 now it seems he got the result he wanted from it
HKA [2d\]: when your are weak like me you want to play c4 and relax, when you are strong you want black to play there so you can have a profitable target
Benzene [3d\]: is this top left worse for black than if f14 were at f13?
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;B[kc]
;W[cp]C[Benzene [3d\]: as that's what happens in the normal joseki and white tenukis
HKA [2d\]: so much for me being weak
Benzene [3d\]: maybe eric is weak too =)
HKA [2d\]: I taught him everything I know
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;B[bb]C[HKA [2d\]: then he, you know, learned alot more
Lsugyen [7d\]: I firmly believe that l17 is a slow move
Rukis [1k\]: if anything be would play d4 instead hka otherwise he gets a heavy group
Lsugyen [7d\]: bottom left was a lot bigger
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;W[fb]C[kairos [-\]: now he can get bottom left ^^
Lsugyen [7d\]: but a bit late
HKA [2d\]: well Rukis, you are right, d4 is better, but still heavy I think
anewtry [1d\]: l17 made b behind
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;B[qk]
;W[mq]C[Kretzsche [2k?\]: it looks like it cancelles the thickness, isnt that good?
Lsugyen [7d\]: yes
Lsugyen [7d\]: and r9 was not as good as l4 I think
Lsugyen [7d\]: now bottom left is getting big
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;B[kq]C[HKA [2d\]: the right looks bigger for black, but the bottom had more double value for both players
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;W[lp]
;B[kp]C[Kretzsche [2k?\]: b should've played g8 instead
kairos [-\]: g8 very aery
kairos [-\]: *airy
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;W[ln]C[Lsugyen [7d\]: b needs to move d5 out ASAP
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;B[ko]C[hobajons [-\]: b is in deeep stuff
hobajons [-\]: n3 will get thick
hobajons [-\]: and then r9 useless
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;W[lo]C[hobajons [-\]: and d5 stuck
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;B[jm]C[kairos [-\]: too late to move d5
Lsugyen [7d\]: no
Lsugyen [7d\]: w is too thick globally
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;W[ll]C[kairos [-\]: ok you are the 7d ^^
Lsugyen [7d\]: yes
Borachon [3k\]: moving d5 is what sleeves are for
hobajons [-\]: ya b lost
Lsugyen [7d\]: I just wouldn't want to sacrifice
Lsugyen [7d\]: not lost, but behind
hobajons [-\]: :(
hobajons [-\]: hard
Haceelz [1d\]: Still aji
Lsugyen [7d\]: but I do bet $ on w
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;B[jk]C[HKA [2d\]: agreed, black had a decent amount of territory, so white does need to extract some payment for this weak group
HKA [2d\]: but that certainly looks doable
gepay [3k\]: w looks not solid on left not solid enough to be wall
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;W[lj]C[hobajons [-\]: well
hobajons [-\]: consider d5 dead
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;B[pg]C[Lsugyen [7d\]: wut
kairos [-\]: yeah
Lsugyen [7d\]: never seen this move b4
HKA [2d\]: usually q12, that, I have seen
HKA [2d\]: I mean, I have seen this too, but I play different people than you
hobajons [-\]: i like q13
HKA [2d\]: actually, I think it makes some sense here
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;W[qg]C[oonicks [?\]: it did
daniug [2d\]: what long took w to play a regular move:D
HKA [2d\]: Eric has a tendency to take a moment and count the entire endgame
oonicks [?\]: allowing sente , b can play q11 but then w can r6
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;B[pi]C[hobajons [-\]: i like b's approach
hobajons [-\]: he might be able to pull this off
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;W[hm]
;B[ji]C[daniug [2d\]: b starts dominating the game
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;W[ph]
;B[oh]
;W[qh]
;B[pj]C[USGO4 [-\]: sorry, I've been lagging a bit.
OneStone [6d\]: That's ok. W can decide by ourselves where they are gonna play.
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;W[lh]C[anewtry [1d\]: w made a tenuki with h7 so he must be confident enough to live here
Borachon [3k\]: or maybe that he didn't have any choice but to try given teh score?
Benzene [3d\]: i wouldn't want to have to kill this white dragon to win the game
Borachon [3k\]: yah
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;B[jg]C[oonicks [?\]: q12 was not much good
anewtry [1d\]: its not easy to kill a big group
hobajons [-\]: so ballzy i love it!
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;W[on]C[Borachon [3k\]: if b solidifies the right side/bottom corner and has the thickness to severely reduce the left, though, is could be hard for w even if he lives
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;B[qn]C[oonicks [?\]: heey b is not anymore ahead when i count
ob22: w is thick everywhere, and territory is ahead
oonicks [?\]: after r6 he is not behind either
OneStone [6d\]: I want W to play around m14 and around j4 
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;W[hk]C[oonicks [?\]: i like j3 but it seems the top is somewhat urgent
oonicks [?\]: this is also probably very big ofcourse
OneStone [6d\]: W believes cash is more important than good education.
ThiGar [4k\]: B has been walking a lot of 'dame's in the center
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;B[nm]C[Borachon [3k\]: it's not dame if w dies
q11 [3d\]: p4 ?
Ikra [2k\]: it's started
Borachon [3k\]: that's what I'd try, so probably not :)
oonicks [?\]: p8? i wud try i think
oonicks [?\]: then again i wanted to play g5 with b :) 
]
;W[ol]C[USGO4 [-\]: sorry, connectivity troubles
daniug [2d\]: nice move
Adin [1k\]: isn't white getting cut somewhere?
daniug [2d\]: hmm...he has some pushes up his sleeve and might get some bamboo joints
oonicks [?\]: i think there is an answer but w can ignore it
daniug [2d\]: that s why p8 is better for this moment than p4, cause it helps the center cuts anyway
oonicks [?\]: prospect of r7 is nice
OneStone [6d\]: if B p7 q7 q6 what will W do?
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;B[om]
;W[or]C[oonicks [?\]: maybe if p7 well.. not q7
OneStone [6d\]: hmmm
OneStone [6d\]: if q2 p4 q3 q7 q6 q8 o6 o9 p5 s7 ?
OneStone [6d\]: Doesn't great for W anyway
oonicks [?\]: mayb just building at least one eye
oonicks [?\]: but
USGO4 [-\]: we are switching recorders.
OneStone [6d\]: but q3 now looks a little easier
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;B[pq]C[oonicks [?\]: o11 is a good move for w also still
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;W[nl]C[USGO4 [-\]: We have switched recorders
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;B[pm]
;W[mm]C[ThiGar [4k\]: n7 brings one eye, i believe
USGO4 [-\]: Night has fallen over Massachusetts Bay.  Still bone-chilling cold outside.  Warm inside.  Completely still in the playing room.
U [?\]: we should find the arguing hotel patrons and bring em back to liven things up
ThiGar [4k\]: The stuff of fairy tales, USGO4 :) or so you make it feel
USGO4 [-\]: :-)
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;B[gp]C[OneStone [6d\]: W is threatening k6 l6 l7 
USGO4 [-\]: The cold seemed very real just now between buildings
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;W[hp]
;B[ho]C[OneStone [6d\]: Yes, this game has started a man-induced ice-age.
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;W[go]C[HKA [1d\]: north waters darken/while stillness shows little sign/of the fire within
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;B[gn]C[OneStone [6d\]: B is falling apart faster than an owl can blink.
USGO4 [-\]: Jeremy has 35 minutes on the clock, Eric has 24 minutes
USGO4 [-\]: Nice, HKA
OneStone [6d\]: W wants to play j5 f5 h6 now
OneStone [6d\]: but common sense dictates f4 h6, which is a little painful.
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;W[hn]C[OneStone [6d\]: So will W opt of common sense or kiai?
oonicks [?\]: europe is cold , not very
OneStone [6d\]: I guess kiai it was.
OneStone [6d\]: Reporting from Tokyo, it's not very cold here.
daniug [2d\]: big ko emerges
ThiGar [4k\]: oh! if B takes, W cuts at K6?
OneStone [6d\]: B has no ko threats
USGO4 [-\]: Massachusetts cold, Europe cold but not very, Tokyo not very cold
daniug [2d\]: indeed w can capture the L5 if he takes the ko
daniug [2d\]: is this the decisive game?
ThiGar [4k\]: no, more rounds coming
Liso66 [?\]: http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-results-2014#results
USGO4 [-\]: The tournament structure avoids decision games till later.  Instead the players assess each other and the  winners accrete advantage for the latter phase.
anewtry [1d\]: three more rounds 
HKA [1d\]: ...of the first phase
anewtry [1d\]: i there another phase?
HKA [1d\]: ...hence the "first"
USGO4 [-\]: First phase is round robin.
USGO4 [-\]: Second phase is knock-out where each round is best of three, but the first result of each best of three is carried forward from the round robin.
daniug [2d\]: lol...complicated but interesting:D
USGO4 [-\]: If A beats B in the round robin and then A & B meet in the knock out
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;B[io]C[daniug [2d\]: a is already 1-0 up
USGO4 [-\]: then A only needs one win to advance, while b needs two wins.
ThiGar [4k\]: thx USGO4
USGO4 [-\]: You're welcome
thefailguy [4d?\]: gg 
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;W[fp]
;B[fo]C[thefailguy [4d?\]: when did this game start
daniug [2d\]: they certainly have so much free time:)
USGO4 [-\]: 4:30 p.m. East Coast
thefailguy [4d?\]: no breaks?
daniug [2d\]: probably connect
USGO4 [-\]: mouse slip at k6 not move
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;W[gp]
;B[nj]C[daniug [2d\]: too much cash not to be taken by w:)
ob22: K8 cut
daniug [2d\]: it does nor really work
oonicks [?\]: is there a more round 'today'?
USGO4 [-\]: The rules allow for meal breaks if either player wants.  No player has taken advantage of this yet.  All games have been played through.
USGO4 [-\]: Round 4 is last game of the day.
oonicks [?\]: thks
Liso66 [?\]: and 2nd phase?
thefailguy [4d?\]: can you trust score est.?
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;W[mj]C[USGO4 [-\]: Voice of Ing Clock begins to punctuate the stillness
Liso66 [?\]: when will be played 2nd phase?
daniug [2d\]: byo yomi?
HKA [1d\]: played soon it will
lance [1k\]: se no good for AGA rules
anewtry [1d\]: the rules say its either best of 3 or best of 5, its very complicated i didnt understand anything:)
HKA [1d\]: without looking I suspect the eliminations are best of 3, but the final match is best of 5
thefailguy [4d?\]: who is winning
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;B[km]C[USGO2 [-\]: HKA: even weirder: it depends on how many rounds we have left when we get to the finals
HKA [1d\]: fair enough
Liso66 [?\]: does this inlude 2nd phase too? ->  Game schedule (Sunday 4th January - Saturday 10th January; Eastern Time)
Liso66 [?\]: *include
odnihs [-\]: yea
anewtry [1d\]: second phase is not after the whole 7 rounds?
USGO4 [-\]: Second phase  looms, but arrives not until first phase departs.
USGO4 [-\]: Yes.  Round robin finishes, then second phase begins.
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;W[ni]C[USGO2 [-\]: trust fearless leader!
anewtry [1d\]: but with how players?
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;B[oi]C[anewtry [1d\]: how many*
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;W[nh]
;B[ng]C[USGO4 [-\]: Who plays first, what plays next...
USGO4 [-\]: All eight play in second phase.
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;W[mg]C[oonicks [?\]: p11 not expected
USGO4 [-\]: No one is knocked out in round robin
daniug [2d\]: p11 good
]
;B[rc]C[anewtry [1d\]: ok thanks
oonicks [?\]: easy life for w good? i doubt it
USGO4 [-\]: Jeremy has 23 minutes, Eric 14 minutes.
thefailguy [4d?\]: u can do it jear
HKA [1d\]: solemn stillness cries/black's time counting begins as/ stones click through the beeps
USGO4 [-\]: Pace of play has picked up a bit.
USGO2 [-\]: ha! love it
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;W[rk]C[domi999 [1k\]: s9 
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;B[rl]
;W[qj]
;B[pk]C[USGO2 [-\]: noisy dang clocks/ rustle my jimmies / black time minutes left five minutes
USGO2 [-\]: ...i'll show myself out
HKA [1d\]: try the veal
ThiGar [4k\]: W must settle
Liso66 [?\]: so only one new pro per year? 
USGO4 [-\]: Currently yes.
ThiGar [4k\]: Except the firt year (2 initial pros) to avoid loneliness
Eggplant [3d\]: even at 1 new pro still it seems to be too many.
USGO4 [-\]: Several tables running low on time.  
wuwei [3k\]: and is there some financial support for the new pros? (I mean, so that they can really dedicate themselves to the game)
USGO4 [-\]: Clock is calling to clock like disconsolate wading birds in a dusky swamp.
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;W[hi]C[oonicks [?\]: it's a scolarship by jp i think
wuwei [3k\]: that would be cool
USGO4 [-\]: There is a small amount of support for travel from AGA and from KBA  for training in Korea.
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;B[fi]C[Uberdude [3d\]: who paid for this hotel where you play?
]
;W[fh]C[ThiGar [4k\]: After a Go revival in Asia 20 years ago, its image there may have reverted again to an old people game. I'm sure they welcome and nurtur the young AGA pro organization.
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;B[gh]
;W[gi]
;B[fg]
;W[fj]
;B[eh]
;W[ej]
;B[rj]
;W[ri]
;B[sk]C[Uberdude [3d\]: so now we see f14 become inefficient
]
;W[qe]
;B[sd]
;W[se]
;B[sc]
;W[sg]
;B[ki]
;W[li]
;B[nr]
;W[nf]
;B[mr]
;W[nn]
;B[aj]
;W[bk]
;B[ca]
;W[ea]
;B[ak]
;W[al]
;B[ai]
;W[bl]
;B[hb]C[Uberdude [3d\]: shouldnt white have o14 beforew t13?
Uberdude [3d\]: this looks thin
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;W[ic]C[Uberdude [3d\]: m17 crosscut aji?
]
;B[ib]
;W[md]
;B[mc]C[huggy [3k\]: p13 not big for w?
USGO4 [-\]: Eric in byo yomi
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;W[jr]C[USGO4 [-\]: Jeremy still with 13 minutes main time.
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;B[kr]
;W[jc]
;B[jb]
;W[kd]
;B[ld]
;W[le]
;B[lc]
;W[ke]C[OneStone [6d\]: W ahead by 10+ pnts
]
;B[ir]C[ThiGar [4k\]: big
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;W[hr]
;B[jq]C[Liso66 [?\]: j12?
]
;W[pl]
;B[og]
;W[ba]
;B[ie]
;W[he]
;B[je]
;W[nd]C[Lsugyen [7d\]: how did this happen!
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;B[qd]
;W[re]C[Lsugyen [7d\]: bottom left so fat! (I feared this 100 moves ago!)
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;B[kg]C[Lsugyen [7d\]: w win comfortably by about 13
]
;W[lg]
;B[aa]
;W[po]
;B[qo]
;W[np]
;B[nk]
;W[ok]
;B[oj]
;W[ml]
;B[il]
;W[hl]
;B[op]
;W[od]
;B[oc]
;W[iq]
;B[js]
;W[ip]C[wuwei [3k\]: Eric and Ryan really seem to be on a different level
]
;B[kf]
;W[lf]
;B[hd]
;W[hc]
;B[id]
;W[gd]C[BagaLutti [6d\]: They are
HKA [1d\]: a stone stronger than the field by rating
USGO4 [-\]: Black resigns
daniug [2d\]: gg
HKA [1d\]: enjoyable game
Liso66 [?\]: thnx for relay
HKA [1d\]: Jeremy is certainly showing he belongs in the room
USGO4 [-\]: Players reviewing game
USGO4 [-\]: Silently
thefailguy [4d?\]: is jeremy 2-2 now
USGO4 [-\]: Yes, Jeremy is 2-2
USGO4 [-\]: Ok, signing from the Minot Ballroom, Nantasket Beach Resort, Hull, MA, this is USGO4.  Next round is at 9:30 a.m. Eastern.  Round 5 of the 3rd AGA Pro Qualification Tournament.
USGO4 [-\]: Tune in here!
USGO4 [-\]: Signing off, that is.
USGO4 [-\]: http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-results-2014#results for full details
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