(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[5400]OT[5x40 byo-yomi]
GN[3rd AGA Pro Quals - Yuan Zhou (7d) vs Ricky Zhao (7d)]PW[Yuan Zhou]PB[Ricky Zhao]WR[7d]BR[7d]DT[2015-01-05]EV[3rd AGA Professional Qualification Tournament]PC[The Nantasket Beach Resort]US[Andrew Jackson]C[USGO2 [-\]: Hello and welcome back to our continuing coverage of the 3rd AGA Professional Qualification Tournament
USGO2 [-\]: I'm Andrew Jackson and i'll be your recorder this evening
USGO2 [-\]: We're 10 minutes out and the pairings are being sorted to their boards
USGO2 [-\]: the room is mostly empty; i'm watching Ryan Li and Ben Lockhart discuss a tsumego that showed up in a game between Ryan and Andy Liu
Rukis [1k\]: Andy is there too?
USGO2 [-\]: no no
USGO2 [-\]: this is a game from long ago
Rukis [1k\]: Oh I see
USGO2 [-\]: 3 minutes until we get going
USGO2 [-\]: The players nigiri - Yuan Zhou is white and i guessed correctly!
USGO2 [-\]: brief announcement; the players seem to be unanimous about starting the evening rounds earlier, at 4pm
USGO2 [-\]: makes it easier to get to dinner
USGO2 [-\]: so ordered
USGO2 [-\]: Anyway, with that business taken care of the players are ready and we're waiting for the signal
USGO2 [-\]: Thanks for joining me again everyone!
Grey28 [3d\]: 'welcome & Hello ^^
USGO2 [-\]: A brief comical interlude: the paper cups at the table are leaking
USGO2 [-\]: ...all of them, slowly, on to the tablecloths
USGO2 [-\]: the players change their water over
USGO2 [-\]: and we're going
]RE[W+10.50]
;B[pd]
;W[dd]
;B[pq]
;W[dq]
;B[qk]
;W[mq]C[odnihs [-\]: wait so they started a half hour ago?
USGO2 [-\]: no we started just now
JohnNothaf [?\]: No they will tomorrow
]
;B[po]C[Herod [-\]: No - for furtre days
odnihs [-\]: oh ok
USGO2 [-\]: sorry for the ambiguity
]
;W[jp]C[odnihs [-\]: np ^^
]
;B[cn]C[Rukis [1k\]: Fast start
Jermelle [?\]: If they started half an hour ago and they were this far, i'd be suprised. Only 8 moves for 30  min.
USGO2 [-\]: yes, both players seemed ready to play their sides of this opening
USGO2 [-\]: but Zhou settles in to think
]
;W[do]
;B[bp]C[JohnNothaf [?\]: Who are what color? My apologies
]
;W[cl]
;B[dn]C[Jermelle [?\]: c3 
]
;W[cq]C[franks [13k\]: the names are right there
]
;B[dl]C[Jermelle [?\]: yup
USGO2 [-\]: I lied; they're still moving briskly
]
;W[dk]
;B[el]C[JohnNothaf [?\]: I got in before the names were
Jermelle [?\]: tenuki, o17 
]
;W[cj]C[USGO2 [-\]: W is Yuan Zhou & B is Ricky Zhao
JohnNothaf [?\]: Thank you kindly!
Rukis [1k\]: Franks people on the phone cannot see the names.
JohnNothaf [?\]: Indeed
Rukis [1k\]: Well im placing my 20 move bet on Zhou winning :D
Bombil [3k\]: i have a question
Bombil [3k\]: they are brothers?
Rukis [1k\]: no..
hiimkg [1k\]: LOL
Rukis [1k\]: Zhou and Zhao
]
;B[fo]C[Jermelle [?\]: lool
JohnNothaf [?\]: The american is strong in him
Bombil [3k\]: lol
Bombil [3k\]: i thought it was the same last time
Bombil [3k\]: ops
Bombil [3k\]: lastname*
Jermelle [?\]: It's fine, I'm sure you're not the only one who read it wrong
JohnNothaf [?\]: I did as well
USGO2 [-\]: Before Ricky sits a single, mini hershey bar
USGO2 [-\]: presumably mid-match fuel 
USGO2 [-\]: my question to you all: when will he eat it?
Jermelle [?\]: lol, reading fuel
Jermelle [?\]: He'll read it if it comes to life and death
USGO2 [-\]: closest without going over wins.
Jermelle [?\]: *eat it
USGO2 [-\]: what move number?
Jermelle [?\]: hm.
Rukis [1k\]: 1
Jermelle [?\]: *100
JohnNothaf [?\]: 120
]
;W[gq]C[Jermelle [?\]: lol, he'll eat it next game
JohnNothaf [?\]: Only if he wins though
]
;B[ek]
;W[ej]
;B[fj]
;W[ei]
;B[fc]
;W[dc]C[Krikri [2k\]: is d14   w ok or overconcentrated?
Krikri [2k\]: ahh w responded me
Rukis [1k\]: So you're Ricky Zhao?
]
;B[fe]C[Krikri [2k\]: no i meant before i wrote it w played already
]
;W[gd]
;B[fd]
;W[df]C[Justin9202 [7k\]: So how do the prospects look for this year?
Rukis [1k\]: Deadpool wins
Justin9202 [7k\]: always
]
;B[mc]
;W[id]
;B[hf]
;W[gb]
;B[gc]
;W[hc]C[hobajons [-\]: ruki
hobajons [-\]: for amerima
hobajons [-\]: !!
asdfdsfas: hobajons, who are you again
LostSoul [1k\]: ??
asdfdsfas: ?
USGO2 [-\]: Ricky is frowning at the upper side
]
;B[fb]C[JohnNothaf [?\]: Could b play g15 for the KO fight
hobajons [-\]: yuan zhou is ease win
hobajons [-\]: :^)
LostSoul [1k\]: Frowning, "nameless person" realised that there was dust on the table*
hobajons [-\]: go s15
hobajons [-\]: or r176
hobajons [-\]: 16
]
;W[kd]
;B[ef]C[hobajons [-\]: f14 so slow
hobajons [-\]: so sun
hobajons [-\]: shun
LostSoul [1k\]: at least get the coordinates right
hobajons [-\]: o
hobajons [-\]: thx bb
hobajons [-\]: i would tenuki
hobajons [-\]: r16 area
Krikri [2k\]: i thought l16  is slow but obviously it targeted the cut  but force b E14 ? dunno if w has time for this
LostSoul [1k\]: dubious to ignore this one
hobajons [-\]: well
hobajons [-\]: e14 kinda
hobajons [-\]: slow
hobajons [-\]: and not really threatening
asdfdsfas: yo is bigfry you or your brother i forget
hiimkg [1k\]: .
hobajons [-\]: ?
hobajons [-\]: whos bigfry
]
;W[dg]C[USGO2 [-\]: Zhou exhales, scratches the top of his head, throws the stone back in the bowl, then plays D13 and tsks again
]
;B[jf]C[hobajons [-\]: real
hobajons [-\]: why did he fix
hobajons [-\]: :/
]
;W[le]
;B[lg]C[USGO2 [-\]: more tsking
LostSoul [1k\]: Zhou tsks alot
hobajons [-\]: ya
]
;W[ne]C[hobajons [-\]: he does
]
;B[nd]C[hobajons [-\]: 被利用了：/
USGO2 [-\]: and i'm getting mad lag
hobajons [-\]: o
USGO2 [-\]: sorry in advance
hobajons [-\]: who areu 
Rukis [1k\]: lag more Andrew!
hobajons [-\]: wait
hobajons [-\]: is this dre
hobajons [-\]: !!
asdfdsfas: yep
hobajons [-\]: o sick
Rukis [1k\]: dre?
asdfdsfas: no im kidding
asdfdsfas: it's another Andrew
hobajons [-\]: dre
hobajons [-\]: lel
mafutrct [2d?\]: hobajons, could you please use the enter key less often?
hobajons [-\]: why
hobajons [-\]: does it bother u
mafutrct [2d?\]: yes
hobajons [-\]: k
USGO2 [-\]: Ricky heads out for a walk
hobajons [-\]: where it this played
asdfdsfas: in the U.S
Rukis [1k\]: at the beach
]
;W[oe]
;B[pe]C[Jermelle [?\]: I like black
hobajons [-\]: go rick
hobajons [-\]: !!
gepay [3k\]: b position does appear to hav emore potential
hobajons [-\]: sadly
]
;W[ng]
;B[pg]C[critter [1k\]: w must fight or deserves to lose
USGO2 [-\]: Yuan claps a hand to his forehead
hobajons [-\]: obviously
hobajons [-\]: he should of o 11
critter [1k\]: run away not good enough, only for english knights
Krikri [2k\]: throwing away g16  stone was better trsult than this
Krikri [2k\]: critter: brave sir Robin?
critter [1k\]: when white run, just like brave robin
bleen [1d\]: zhou has written several books, right?
USGO2 [-\]: yes, he's done a lot for american go
USGO2 [-\]: Ricky hasn't written his yet, but i'm sure he'll get to it :)
]
;W[od]
;B[oc]
;W[pc]C[critter [1k\]: finally, a fight
USGO2 [-\]: The clock is on my side of the table tonight; w has 49 minutes, b 68
]
;B[pb]
;W[qc]
;B[qb]
;W[lc]
;B[md]C[USGO2 [-\]: Yuan sucks in air through his teeth
USGO2 [-\]: because it's good?  or because it's ugly?  you tell me.
]
;W[me]C[Thazz [2d?\]: ugly
mafutrct [2d?\]: good
Thazz [2d?\]: why "or" ? ;-)
USGO2 [-\]: ricky takes a stone, then also sucks air in through his teeth and puts it back
]
;B[lb]C[USGO2 [-\]: the stone, not the air
mafutrct [2d?\]: he sucks in a stone?
USGO2 [-\]: (sigh)
mafutrct [2d?\]: ._.
Krikri [2k\]: n18 ?
Jermelle [?\]: lol he sucks in a stone
]
;W[ob]
;B[nc]
;W[kb]
;B[mb]C[USGO2 [-\]: w doesn't seem happy
USGO2 [-\]: a lot of headshaking going on
Krikri [2k\]: so no change  at all
]
;W[mg]
;B[lh]
;W[ni]
;B[oh]C[Justin9202 [7k\]:  haha
]
;W[mi]
;B[kj]C[USGO2 [-\]: b was ready with L10
]
;W[qm]
;B[qo]
;W[qj]C[USGO2 [-\]: Yuan gets up for a walk
]
;B[pk]C[USGO2 [-\]: Ricky plays Q9 and sits
USGO2 [-\]: gave me time to get a coffee
USGO2 [-\]: and a cookie
USGO2 [-\]: Zhou is back
aa [3d\]: chocolate cookie?
USGO2 [-\]: chocolate chip
bert [2d?\]: you are the cookie monster?
USGO2 [-\]: yes
aa [3d\]: s9 ?
]
;W[pj]C[aa [3d\]: w can aim at r14 aji
]
;B[qh]C[USGO2 [-\]: nope, he can't :(
aa [3d\]: p9 now I think
USGO2 [-\]: ;)
]
;W[ok]
;B[rj]C[H16 [2d\]: rather q14 aji no?
aa [3d\]: yes probably better
rosepark [1k\]: hi
]
;W[ol]
;B[rl]C[USGO2 [-\]: b 52 min, w 14
]
;W[gh]
;B[gi]C[USGO2 [-\]: b looks to be reading out the bottom
]
;W[fi]C[USGO2 [-\]: Ricky's turn to sigh, scratch his head, and look concerned
]
;B[gj]
;W[hh]C[Rukis [1k\]: let us know if they sigh and scratch then flip said board
USGO2 [-\]: will do
aa [3d\]: b became thin suddenly
aa [3d\]: b f11 was huge
]
;B[ig]C[USGO2 [-\]: i knew it!
USGO2 [-\]: i can't say it
aa [3d\]: lol, painful dame
USGO2 [-\]: but
USGO2 [-\]: J13 looked like the least worst
USGO2 [-\]: w crosses 10m
USGO2 [-\]: 10minutes
]
;W[ll]C[USGO2 [-\]: after m8, w checks b's clock and shakes his head
aa [3d\]: f11 might have been bigger than s10
]
;B[lp]
;W[lq]
;B[fq]
;W[fr]C[Rukis [1k\]: what?
]
;B[ip]C[USGO2 [-\]: b seems ready with this sequence
USGO2 [-\]: w crosses 5min
]
;W[gp]
;B[jq]C[sppr: any one tell what's this game? US Open....
]
;W[kq]C[thefailguy [4d?\]: 3rd aga qualification tourney
USGO2 [-\]: more exasperated noises from w as he plays L3
sppr: thx
]
;B[jo]C[Rukis [1k\]: Says it in the info and at the top of the board
]
;W[kp]
;B[io]C[USGO2 [-\]: b 1 min left
]
;W[ir]C[USGO2 [-\]: sorry, white one minute; b 33
]
;B[lk]C[bluetable [-\]: resign
]
;W[ml]
;B[mk]
;W[nk]
;B[kl]
;W[km]C[USGO2 [-\]: which?
]
;B[lm]C[hobajons [-\]: b
hobajons [-\]: :(
]
;W[jl]
;B[kk]C[hobajons [-\]: o wait
USGO2 [-\]: w enters byo yomi
hobajons [-\]: throws?
]
;W[mm]
;B[ln]C[USGO2 [-\]: what?
]
;W[mn]
;B[ko]
;W[go]
;B[hn]
;W[gn]
;B[gm]
;W[ii]
;B[ij]
;W[pf]
;B[qf]
;W[qe]
;B[of]
;W[qd]C[hobajons [-\]: gg
aa [3d\]: 2d predicted q14 
aa [3d\]: easy to miss!
aa [3d\]: q14 s18 p19 r19 o18 t18 alive
USGO2 [-\]: t17 i think
]
;B[pf]
;W[rb]C[aa [3d\]: t17 yes
]
;B[oa]
;W[qa]
;B[nb]
;W[sc]C[aa [3d\]: t17 is what I meant
]
;B[re]
;W[rd]
;B[sf]
;W[sd]
;B[bl]
;W[bk]
;B[cm]
;W[ck]
;B[nr]
;W[nq]
;B[or]
;W[fn]
;B[bq]
;W[co]
;B[bo]
;W[fm]
;B[gl]
;W[ji]
;B[hi]
;W[ih]C[aa [3d\]: b lost
aa [3d\]: loss in top right corner was too big
]
;B[hb]
;W[ib]
;B[ga]
;W[eb]
;B[ge]
;W[jj]
;B[jk]
;W[ik]
;B[hj]
;W[mo]C[Lsugyen [7d\]: ya
Lsugyen [7d\]: seems like it
Lsugyen [7d\]: but w made a mistake
Lsugyen [7d\]: s7 was bigger
]
;B[lo]
;W[on]C[gowithwi [9d?\]: strange that they ignore s7
aa [3d\]: maybe w thought b could cut
]
;B[iq]
;W[jr]
;B[eg]C[aa [3d\]: w+10 I think
]
;W[li]
;B[ki]
;W[kh]
;B[kg]
;W[jh]C[gowithwi [9d?\]: anyway w win
Lsugyen [7d\]: b is in deep trouble
Lsugyen [7d\]: I think the game is over
USGO2 [-\]: not that deep
USGO2 [-\]: not going to crash; not enough points maybe
]
;B[il]C[Lsugyen [7d\]: I mean won't die but
]
;W[eh]
;B[fg]
;W[fh]
;B[hd]
;W[ic]C[aa [3d\]: b doesn't want to play j15 ?
aa [3d\]: maybe he will s7 
aa [3d\]: or resign
power [3k\]: is he counting?
USGO2 [-\]: maybe
USGO2 [-\]: i am
Welvang [-\]: can't tell with slanting eyes i guess
]
;B[rm]
;W[qn]
;B[rn]
;W[ie]C[Lsugyen [7d\]: so painful for b
]
;B[if]C[Lsugyen [7d\]: b2 is the big move now
]
;W[gg]C[aa [3d\]: h15 
]
;B[de]C[aa [3d\]: wut
Hollumber [7d?\]: d12 aji
power [3k\]: w+10
]
;W[ce]
;B[ee]C[Hollumber [7d?\]: i don't think it's real, tho
thepaper [1d\]: nothing to do with d12
aa [3d\]: b alive
pwnnuki [1d\]: funny way to make miai eye
]
;W[ea]C[thepaper [1d\]: playiing d15 is just better than just playing h15
aa [3d\]: thought w would g14 but of course no need to
Hollumber [7d?\]: it makes c18 possible
]
;B[he]C[Hollumber [7d?\]: so def has to do with d12 aji
aa [3d\]: what d2 aji
]
;W[bm]
;B[bn]
;W[al]C[JohnNothaf [?\]: What is aji?
aa [3d\]: (hidden) potential
aa [3d\]: japanese word
Petrosian [6k\]: b7 bigger than b2?
USGO2 [-\]: if you're using SE, remember it doesn't count AGA rules well
power [3k\]: b7 is like million points
JohnNothaf [?\]: Thank you
aa [3d\]: it doesn't count anything well
pwnnuki [1d\]: lol
Muttley [2k\]: Literally "taste", aji = the potential for bad things to happen to you "bad aji"
]
;B[cr]
;W[dr]
;B[br]C[aa [3d\]: there is also good aji
Hollumber [7d?\]: hmm, ok, i guess i misread. c18 e19 would be fine
Petrosian [6k\]: when it's bad for your opponent
Muttley [2k\]: well, there is, but its just called "aji" then
]
;W[kf]C[aa [3d\]: interesting
]
;B[jg]C[Welvang [-\]: quel est le comble pour un juge ?
aa [3d\]: where did you read that
Muttley [2k\]: go books
Muttley [2k\]: kibitz
aa [3d\]: kibitz, very trustworthy
Muttley [2k\]: "I have some aji in the bottom left corner" etc
]
;W[mr]
;B[je]C[power [3k\]: "your stones are taste"
Muttley [2k\]: you don't say "I have some good aji in the bottom left corner", but if its your bad aji you say "I have some bad aji" etc
]
;W[ke]C[Petrosian [6k\]: "the black stone appears lost, but it creates aji which can later be converted to points."
Muttley [2k\]: yeah, another kibitzer who can only give sarcasm :))
]
;B[jd]
;W[jc]C[USGO2 [-\]: lagging too badly for fast play
LGildas [2d\]: someone is calling for sarcasm
USGO2 [-\]: may switch offline and catch up
pwnnuki [1d\]: why does everyone who explains "aji" invariably bring up the "taste" translation
Muttley [2k\]: np USGO2, if you can get the record accurate that's fine
]
;B[cp]
;W[dp]C[Petrosian [6k\]: Yeah, 'taste' doesn't help english speakers understand the concept
aa [3d\]: maybe because it does mean taste
power [3k\]: some feeling
humblelife [-\]: it helps if you also mention eating stones
pwnnuki [1d\]: such a literal translation adds nothing
LGildas [2d\]: maybe because it's what it means, and supposedly the meaning of words is interesting ?
]
;B[en]C[Muttley [2k\]: I disagree
aa [3d\]: bad aji leaves a bad taste in your mouth
]
;W[eo]C[Welvang [-\]: it's from greek
Muttley [2k\]: "taste" can be quite a subtle and intangible concept, just like aji
Welvang [-\]: ancient greek
Petrosian [6k\]: In the original German...
Muttley [2k\]: funnily enough
Muttley [2k\]: anyway John, that's what "aji" is
power [3k\]: that's what kibitz is
Welvang [-\]: épopée
JohnNothaf [?\]: Thank you!!
pwnnuki [1d\]: lol power
aa [3d\]: advice for kyus: destroy all aji as soon as possible
Sanjang [2k\]: welvang the coolest
]
;B[cf]C[USGO2 [-\]: w uses a period
USGO2 [-\]: and i' lag out
ThiGar [4k\]: pebble in shoe
]
;W[be]C[LGildas [2d\]: aji is from épopée ?
Welvang [-\]: aji is from agitation
power [3k\]: from ajiland
Welvang [-\]: aji tastion = aji + taste
dunno [4k\]: to have muttley as kibitz is aji
Sanjang [2k\]: aji = sauce
]
;B[an]C[dunno [4k\]: :D
Petrosian [6k\]: I hope no one is trying to learn from these comments.
Muttley [2k\]: I dunno :)
]
;W[cg]C[aa [3d\]: I just dropped the level of kyus by several ranks
]
;B[oo]C[Welvang [-\]: after all it's high dan kibitz
]
;W[no]C[dunno [4k\]: ;)
Sanjang [2k\]: keep welving
USGO2 [-\]: b 1 minute main time left
Muttley [2k\]: if you pay me for lessons aa I can get you to 4k
Muttley [2k\]: its a great offer
LGildas [2d\]: kibitz 4k ?
Muttley [2k\]: $15 a lesson or $50 for 3
Sanjang [2k\]: :D
Sanjang [2k\]: id pay 20$ a lesson for you
aa [3d\]: don't know if I want to be 4k again
Petrosian [6k\]: 15$/ is 45 for 3...
aa [3d\]: what are the benefits
power [3k\]: LOL
Sanjang [2k\]: the benefits??? he is muttley
Muttley [2k\]: I can sell you lessons to get you to 2k
JohnNothaf [?\]: Are these recorded to allow for future viewing
Liso66 [?\]: could big kibitz trafic increase lag for usgo?
]
;B[oq]C[USGO2 [-\]: >5 second lag
Petrosian [6k\]: Clearly Muttley should not be giving lessons in arithmetic.
USGO2 [-\]: come onnnn
]
;W[ia]C[RainierBob [?\]: Paying for such lessons in itself drops you 5 stones.
]
;B[gf]C[Sanjang [2k\]: keep clean
Sanjang [2k\]: keep relax
ThiGar [4k\]: I was wondering, etymologically, is the 'aji' in 'ajikeshi' the same as th 'aji' in aji?
]
;W[pi]C[Sanjang [2k\]: i only know aji as sauce
LGildas [2d\]: yes
pwnnuki [1d\]: I think I am going to start using made up words from Buffy to explain go from now on.
USGO2 [-\]: b is in byoyomi
oren [?\]: ThiGar, yes
]
;B[oi]C[aa [3d\]: aji keshi is like destroying aji
]
;W[oj]C[Muttley [2k\]: b oly 50 points
Sanjang [2k\]: keshi = ?
ThiGar [4k\]: thx oren
oren [?\]: keshi = erasing
aa [3d\]: which is bad if done too soon
aa [3d\]: destroys possibilities
Sanjang [2k\]: nice
]
;B[qi]C[LGildas [2d\]: erasing the sauce is what bread is for right ?
Welvang [-\]: honestly, these games where not really fun to watch
Muttley [2k\]: w 63 on the board
rubicon [4d\]: this is still round 3, right?
Welvang [-\]: -h
aa [3d\]: I feel only eric liu is pro level
Sanjang [2k\]: the only fun thing is the kibitz at all
rubicon [4d\]: will round 4 start right after or some other day?
Sanjang [2k\]: but everything that ends with liu is pro level
Sanjang [2k\]: :p
Petrosian [6k\]: This is last round today
Muttley [2k\]: I must be missing something, is b really playing on 20 behind
aa [3d\]: that ryan guy is also really strong
USGO2 [-\]: come on!
USGO2 [-\]: argh
Sanjang [2k\]: if i was sanjangliu i would be pro right now
Sanjang [2k\]: sad
Muttley [2k\]: ryan li is 8d on KGS, aa, crazywind- great games
]
;W[ra]C[Welvang [-\]: i should be aga pro
Welvang [-\]: with sinan djepov
aa [3d\]: 8d kgs is not pro level!
]
;B[pa]C[Sanjang [2k\]: isnt sinan djepov already 6p?
xedover [?\]: usgo2, just record offline and catch us up later :)
]
;W[ns]C[Rukis [1k\]: aa actually it can be
aa [3d\]: I suppose
]
;B[os]
;W[ms]
;B[am]C[Rukis [1k\]: there are weak pros
aa [3d\]: american pro level
rubicon [4d\]: it depends on what you consider pro level, most asian pros are 9d kgs but western pros, like pavol, are still 8d
]
;W[bl]C[Muttley [2k\]: don't knock it, its a start
Sanjang [2k\]: what is a pro level at all
Muttley [2k\]: freaking strong
Welvang [-\]: only andy liu is ok in america
Sanjang [2k\]: :o
Rukis [1k\]: pro level is playing for status and money
]
;B[hq]C[Petrosian [6k\]: Winning a qualifying tourney
Rukis [1k\]: and a living
tomsydney [2d\]: white is winning 6.5 with komi
]
;W[hr]C[Rukis [1k\]: so 13?
Sanjang [2k\]: its really to be a pro go playa
Sanjang [2k\]: hard
Borachon [3k\]: Muttley, I have the game pretty close; certainly worth playing out
Muttley [2k\]: I just recounted, I still have w 10 ahead on the board
Sanjang [2k\]: many are playing go for 50 years and still at 2d level
Muttley [2k\]: interesting :)
aa [3d\]: shouldn't be too hard to count now
Sanjang [2k\]: so its very hard to get pro
Rukis [1k\]: Its certianly whites win
Welvang [-\]: depends if you are chinese or not
tmay [8k\]: what do american pros do after they become pros? Go to asia?
LGildas [2d\]: I have W +~12
aa [3d\]: w+8
Sanjang [2k\]: tmay, no.....if they go to asia they will feel very weak
Welvang [-\]: aren't they already in asia ?
USGO2 [-\]: too laggy, will catch up final moves in a second
tomsydney [2d\]: w+6.5
ThiGar [4k\]: seems black yose was pretty good
Muttley [2k\]: np USGO2
Rukis [1k\]: Shi is in Korea studying
Sanjang [2k\]: asian pro moves to american and europe to feel better
Sanjang [2k\]: :D
Welvang [-\]: internet from china is very difficult
Sanjang [2k\]: cus its easier
]
;B[ld]C[aa [3d\]: american pros receive 2 handicap stones from lee sedol and lose
aa [3d\]: literally
Petrosian [6k\]: probably 9 stones
Welvang [-\]: ..
Sanjang [2k\]: i think even with 4 stones they can lse
Sanjang [2k\]: lose*
aa [3d\]: lol, no
Welvang [-\]: yes
aa [3d\]: lee sedol is not god
Welvang [-\]: 4 is max i think
ThiGar [4k\]: lee sedol still no.1?
Welvang [-\]: you would be surprised aa
Rukis [1k\]: no
Sanjang [2k\]: 4 is possible, at move 50 the game could be possible ovar
Prime [-\]: lee sedol is god, what are you talking about 
Rukis [1k\]: top 3 though
Muttley [2k\]: Lee says Park Jungwhan is number 1
aa [3d\]: lee sedol is not that good at handicap games
Welvang [-\]: i saw some pretty good amateur losing badly to top pro with 4 stones
Sanjang [2k\]: park jungwan is bettar?
aa [3d\]: top pros may not be good at handicap
Rukis [1k\]: Park, someone, lee
Sanjang [2k\]: why so much about park jungwan?
Sanjang [2k\]: kisei already?
Muttley [2k\]: just look at his games
aa [3d\]: park doing well in korea, bad in international matches
Muttley [2k\]: he wins international titles
RainierBob [?\]: I believe Park Jungwhan now Korea's No. 1
Sanjang [2k\]: what kind of titles he got?
aa [3d\]: lee sedol hasn't been no.1 in a while
Welvang [-\]: probably kang
oren [?\]: Park has been No 1 for a while
aa [3d\]: he often loses now
Muttley [2k\]: faster time limits don't work for Lee Sedol
Sanjang [2k\]: ishida is retired?
Muttley [2k\]: that's why he play Jubango with Gu Li
aa [3d\]: korean 1p can beat lee sedol
oren [?\]: Lee Sedol just won Asia TV Cup so it can't be that bad for him
U [?\]: this chat has turned into a mastery of exaggeration
Petrosian [6k\]: He is still competing.
oren [?\]: Ishida won a 13x13 tournament
Muttley [2k\]: he's 9p, he's still capable of winning :))
aa [3d\]: lee's daughter is studying in the usa
Rukis [1k\]: Park, Kim Ji Suk, Lee Sedol
aa [3d\]: I wonder if she plays go
RainierBob [?\]: Seems as if there is nobody now who doesn't occasionally lose to a lower ranked player
Borachon [3k\]: Muttley, yeah 8 or so on the board, I'd guess
Rukis [1k\]: in first to 3rd
Muttley [2k\]: just his real strength shows in slower games
]
;W[kc]C[USGO2 [-\]: ...
U [?\]: andrew help
Rukis [1k\]: Obvsly Andrew can give pros handicap stones
Muttley [2k\]: I take Ryan Li has won all his games?
USGO2 [-\]: 60 second lag, love it
USGO2 [-\]: ok
dunno [4k\]: this chat wins against usgo1-chat, yeah
USGO2 [-\]: they're counting now
Lsugyen [7d\]: who won?
ThiGar [4k\]: a generation before, Cho Chikun already suffered frmom faster time limits
Lsugyen [7d\]: ok
Rukis [1k\]: k
aa [3d\]: w won
]
;B[fl]C[Lsugyen [7d\]: that's what I thought too
]
;W[mj]C[Muttley [2k\]: white's clearly won
Welvang [-\]: you're so strong
Muttley [2k\]: ahead on the board + komi
Lsugyen [7d\]: who?
]
;B[jm]C[Welvang [-\]: you are
Rukis [1k\]: ty Welvang
Lsugyen [7d\]: me?
]
;W[la]
;B[ma]C[Sanjang [2k\]: thanks all
Welvang [-\]: yes, my idol
]
;W[ka]
;B[ds]C[aa [3d\]: ryan li vs. eric liu next?
]
;W[es]
;B[cs]C[Muttley [2k\]: Welvang, you're not an admin so please don't trashtalk other users
Rukis [1k\]: no
Lsugyen [7d\]: that'll be the deciding match
Prime [-\]: theres no more games for today
]
;W[se]
;B[rf]C[Rukis [1k\]: they face round 4
Rukis [1k\]: 5*
Muttley [2k\]: that's reserved for admin, thanks :)
]
;W[ql]
;B[pn]C[aa [3d\]: only 1 will make it to pro?
]
;W[pm]C[aa [3d\]: or 2?
Prime [-\]: one
Sanjang [2k\]: LOL!
]
;B[ec]C[Welvang [-\]: okayy
]
;W[cb]C[aa [3d\]: should be eric liu
pwnnuki [1d\]: that admonition has bad taste muttley
]
;B[em]C[Sanjang [2k\]: sinand will be proooishid
Welvang [-\]: but can i do it on a cold rainy night in stoke?
]
;W[op]
;B[pp]
;W[np]C[Sanjang [2k\]: what happened with sinand already?
Prime [-\]: i think its gonna be Ryan Li
]
;B[rk]
;W[pl]C[Lsugyen [7d\]: yup
tmay [8k\]: When does the single elimination part start?
]
;B[nf]
;W[mf]C[Muttley [2k\]: pwnnuki, don't worry, people complain to admin central about me and I get told off
pwnnuki [1d\]: lol
Rukis [1k\]: sometime way after the rond robin
]
;B[ph]C[Lsugyen [7d\]: SE says w by 5.5
]
;W[ha]
;B[gb]C[USGO2 [-\]: all dame from here
aa [3d\]: get told off by whom
pwnnuki [1d\]: don't believe his lies lsugyen
USGO2 [-\]: w won by 4 on the board
Muttley [2k\]: SE doesn't score AGA or Chinese properly
xedover [?\]: thanks USGO2
Sanjang [2k\]: chinese rules in usgo tounrmanet?
Muttley [2k\]: senior admin of course
Doge [6d\]: H5
ThiGar [4k\]: great B yose anyway
aa [3d\]: and who tells off senior admins
Rukis [1k\]: yu
]
;W[ho]C[Esquisse [9d\]: this is sparta
Rukis [1k\]: ty
]
;B[nh]
;W[mh]
;B[kn]C[pwnnuki [1d\]: sanjang AGA rules try to reconcile territory and area scoring
]
;W[mp]
;B[hp]C[Sanjang [2k\]: so who winz
]
;W[lj]
;B[lf]
;W[hg]
;B[og]C[Rukis [1k\]: w..
]
;W[ed]C[Rukis [1k\]: by 4
]
;B[fa]C[Sanjang [2k\]: dot
Muttley [2k\]: its still w +14.5 or so I reckon
Prime [-\]: 4.5
Petrosian [6k\]: And confuse all who try to use them.
USGO2 [-\]: ok, those are the dame :P
USGO2 [-\]: thanks everyone!
Sanjang [2k\]: thank
Rukis [1k\]: no ty
USGO2 [-\]: next round is 9:30am eastern time tomorrow!
tmay [8k\]: thanks
ThiGar [4k\]: ty USGO2
Sanjang [2k\]: THX
curlie [3k\]: many thanks!
Lsugyen [7d\]: who won?
Prime [-\]: W+4.5
dunno [4k\]: ty usgo2
USGO2 [-\]: Thanks for watching!
xedover [?\]: what was the final score?
Sanjang [2k\]: THXXXXXXX
pwnnuki [1d\]: thanks usgo2
Lsugyen [7d\]: what's the score?
Borachon [3k\]: so li vs. liu tomorrow afternoon?
Muttley [2k\]: 11.5
Sanjang [2k\]: W WON
Muttley [2k\]: I was way out
Sanjang [2k\]: w is the new master 
Sanjang [2k\]: xD
Lsugyen [7d\]: w won by 11.5??
Muttley [2k\]: thanks USGO2
Prime [-\]: usgo2 said white wins by 4.5
Muttley [2k\]: on th eboard
Muttley [2k\]: didn't include komi
tmay [8k\]: 4 before komi and prisoners 
Muttley [2k\]: komi is 7.5
tmay [8k\]: So w+6.5?
Sanjang [2k\]: this cannot be true :ooo
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