(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[5400]OT[5x40 byo-yomi]
GN[3rd AGA Pro Qualification Tournament, Round 2, Board 4]PW[Yuan Zhou]PB[Jeremy Chiu]WR[7d]BR[6d]DT[2015-01-04]EV[3rd AGA Pro Qualification Tournament, Round 2, Board 4]RO[2]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Brian Lee and Andrew Okun]RE[B+1.50]
;B[dd]
;W[dp]
;B[pc]C[USGO4 [-\]: This is round two of the 3rd AGA Pro Qualification Tournament
]
;W[qp]
;B[op]C[USGO4 [-\]: Play has commenced in the Minot Ballroom of the Nantasket Beach Resort in Hull, MA.  
USGO4 [-\]: This eight player tournament to select one pro is in two parts.  This part, the first, is a round robin among the players.
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;W[pe]
;B[oe]C[xedover [?\]: http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-results-2014
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;W[qc]C[USGO4 [-\]: This game is between the youngest and the eldest player in the field.  
USGO4 [-\]: Yuan Zhou has won many US titles and is an experienced teacher and author of go books.  Jeremy Chiu, 12, is one of the US' strong youth players. 
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;B[pf]
;W[pd]
;B[od]
;W[oc]
;B[pb]
;W[qb]
;B[re]
;W[ob]
;B[qd]
;W[pa]
;B[pc]C[Jermelle [?\]: lol, W already looks in a tough spot
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;W[mq]C[fbp [7d\]: it's an old joseki
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;B[pn]C[fbp [7d\]: normally white plays m17 tho, black can n18 later
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;W[oq]
;B[np]
;W[pq]C[Jermelle [?\]: ah, it's old. Okay
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;B[ld]C[USGO4 [-\]:  http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-results-2014 for results
USGO4 [-\]: and game records
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;W[lb]
;B[qo]
;W[pp]
;B[nn]C[USGO4 [-\]: Game time is 90 minutes per player with five periods of 40 seconds overtime.
USGO4 [-\]: Yuan Zhou has 1 hour 11 minutes left, while Jeremy Chiu has 1 hour 17 minutes.
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;W[cf]C[jodageezer [?\]: Who is Jeremy's teacher?
]
;B[ci]C[odnihs [-\]: mingjiu i think
]
;W[fd]
;B[ce]
;W[df]
;B[ee]C[Lsugyen [7d\]: it sure is
Lsugyen [7d\]: they just had a lesson this morning
jodageezer [?\]: Is Ming Jiu there or was it by internet?
]
;W[be]
;B[bd]
;W[de]
;B[ed]
;W[cd]
;B[cc]
;W[ck]
;B[ei]C[Lsugyen [7d\]: Mingjiu is in vacation
Lsugyen [7d\]: so it's by skype for sure
]
;W[dh]C[Lsugyen [7d\]: on vacation *
jodageezer [?\]: thanks. I was just curious.
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;B[di]
;W[fg]
;B[fe]
;W[gh]C[USGO4 [-\]: Yuan Zhou has 54 minutes left.  Jeremy Chiu has one hour three minutes left.
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;B[dk]
;W[dl]
;B[ek]
;W[cm]
;B[hk]
;W[qm]
;B[rp]
;W[rq]
;B[rn]
;W[nk]C[USGO4 [-\]: The sun has gone down on a gray day here in Hull.
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;B[po]
;W[sp]
;B[ro]
;W[lq]
;B[pk]C[Argus [-\]: impresive strength in blac shapes
USGO4 [-\]: Neither player is playing fast.  Both are taking time on almost every move.
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;W[ii]
;B[jk]C[Argus [-\]: g10?
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;W[pj]C[Timk [1d\]: maybe p9 p10 o10 is the way, unless how to use the thinkness while ladder does work for W ?
USGO4 [-\]: Each player has 25 minutes of main time left.
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;B[qk]C[Argus [-\]: what if b just cuts w around  L11? 
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;W[bc]
;B[ce]
;W[il]C[Timk [1d\]: r9 is sooooo patiently
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;B[ik]
;W[cd]
;B[mb]
;W[mc]
;B[ce]
;W[gj]
;B[gk]
;W[cd]
;B[lc]
;W[nb]
;B[ce]
;W[fl]C[Lsugyen [7d\]: b seems to be playing too slow
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;B[fk]
;W[cd]C[Lsugyen [7d\]: but b has many ko threats at o3
USGO4 [-\]: Speed of play picking up during ko fight.
USGO4 [-\]: W has 20:25 left and B 20:40
ThiGar [4k\]: E9 group is a chainsaw
Argus [-\]: L11 sente?
Argus [-\]: maybe not
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;B[kb]C[Argus [-\]: w is quietly building influence at bottom
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;W[ma]
;B[ce]
;W[ki]
;B[cd]
;W[ni]
;B[mi]C[Lsugyen [7d\]: b's strong attak??
USGO4 [-\]: black plays move 91 with a determined  thwack.  Rare departure from two players' stillness and quiet demeanor.
Argus [-\]: n10 only move?                                         
Lsugyen [7d\]: I am thinking about living separately
Lsugyen [7d\]: hard
Lsugyen [7d\]: n12?
]
;W[mh]C[Argus [-\]: wow
dafsda: thwacking is really rude. Little kids should learn good GO manner from their teacher beside learning good GO skills.
USGO4 [-\]: Players have almost exactly the same time, just over ten minutes left of main time.
Argus [-\]: nonsense
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;B[mj]C[Argus [-\]: the sound of the stone hitting the board is a means of comunication all in itself
dafsda: nonsense
Argus [-\]: heh
xedover [?\]: I guess you've never heard his teacher play go then
dafsda: communication is by the move on board, not by making annoying sound
Argus [-\]: move on board is emotionless, Go is much more than a move on the board
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;W[lh]C[dafsda: tooooooo, never heard GO is an art of talking by hands?
Argus [-\]: maybe not, but it is an art
dafsda: or, more closer translation, chatting by hand?
dafsda: it's an art about the move on the board, never the stupid sound on board.
Argus [-\]: not for you, and that's fine
dafsda: if someone needs to communicate his go idea by sound, it's really a joke
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;B[nj]C[Argus [-\]: to some i'm sure it is
dafsda: then those 'some' need to improve, beside go skills. That's what the original words about.
Argus [-\]: yes we do
USGO4 [-\]: White has five minutes left, black a little over  six
USGO4 [-\]: I should add that this is a very quiet room and two very quiet players and, while Jeremy's motion was determined, it was not loud.  "Thwack" maybe wrong word.  Well within tthe bounds of an ordinary polite move.
]
;W[lk]
;B[oi]C[ThiGar [4k\]: Occasionnaly, pros will slam a stone, no?
Argus [-\]: absolutly
Argus [-\]: *absolutely
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;W[nh]
;B[oj]C[dafsda: the point is 'thwacking' is bad and rude. Occasionally a pro does doesn't mean it could be justified as a good manner.
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;W[kk]
;B[jl]C[USGO4 [-\]: Then I used the wrong word.
OneStone [6d\]: What is the purpose of displaying 'bad manners'?
Argus [-\]: obviously it is rude to some people, but not to all
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;W[pg]
;B[og]
;W[oh]
;B[ph]
;W[ln]C[wuwei [2k\]: the sound, in itself, means nothing. You have to look at the context
wuwei [2k\]: life is complicated
OneStone [6d\]: I mean to say that there is a purpose to slamming down a stone or putting it down without any sound, etc. There is a lot of psychology involved.
wuwei [2k\]: of course there is
Argus [-\]: exactly, it is a form of communication
]
;B[ch]C[wuwei [2k\]: but it can come out spontaneously, and gracefully
OneStone [6d\]: c12 is thick for eyes.
Argus [-\]: goban makers understand this and make boards to accentuate that sound effect
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;W[eq]C[wuwei [2k\]: japanese goban makers
OneStone [6d\]: Exactly, the point I am making.
dafsda: goban makers won't let you hear how hard the opponent clicks the mouse unless you adjust yourself's sound vol. haha
]
;B[jn]
;W[hf]C[OneStone [6d\]: So an important communication tool has been stolen.
OneStone [6d\]: Also any visual cues are erased.
wuwei [2k\]: visual?
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;B[hd]C[USGO4 [-\]: White in byo yomi
OneStone [6d\]: on KGS you don't see the player(s).
wuwei [2k\]: oh
]
;W[ip]C[ThiGar [4k\]: goban makers care for looks, touch, sound, and even smell (special wood). Only taste is left aside, (if the stones are not in chocolate, for chinese rules)
USGO4 [-\]: Black with under a minute of main time
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;B[jp]C[OneStone [6d\]: I would have played h14 at k17, but W was afraid of j13 or h13 or so
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;W[io]
;B[jo]
;W[jq]C[Argus [-\]: have you noticed the goban grid is not square on a goban, this is for visual effects when you are sitting in front of it
USGO4 [-\]: Both players in byo yomi
martin97 [-\]: j14?
Argus [-\]: k17 is that urgent?
]
;B[jj]
;W[pi]
;B[qg]
;W[ji]C[remsleep [5k?\]: b o3 ?
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;B[iq]
;W[hq]
;B[nq]C[remsleep [5k?\]: ;-)
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;W[kp]C[Prime [-\]: wow
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;B[lo]C[Timk [1d\]: good counter from W
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;W[je]
;B[nr]
;W[qr]
;B[jc]
;W[bg]
;B[ir]
;W[jr]
;B[in]
;W[go]C[spacetime [4d\]: who's winning?
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;B[li]C[pract1ce1 [?\]: does go make you smarter?
]
;W[kj]
;B[kg]C[alienist [5k\]: not if kyu level
koke [1d\]: Sure it does
TyTaLuS [1k\]: might help with concentration
Prime [-\]: yup
pract1ce1 [?\]: :-
pract1ce1 [?\]: 0
]
;W[ok]
;B[qi]
;W[mk]
;B[qj]C[USGO4 [-\]: White has four byo yomi periods of 40 seconds, black has five.
PlayBoy [2k\]: i think w is 60 years old
alienist [5k\]: have to be dumb to willingly live with such frustration/;>}
]
;W[jg]C[alienist [5k\]: go w!!
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;B[kh]C[TyTaLuS [1k\]: dont get this was w afraid to die?
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;W[kf]
;B[lg]C[Esquisse [9d\]: yes
Timk [1d\]: he is
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;W[lf]
;B[mg]C[Argus [-\]: wow
TyTaLuS [1k\]: hes fear is justified?
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;W[km]C[daniug [2d\]: does he want to kill b center:D?
Esquisse [9d\]: as long as he wins the game on points, it's not necessary to check this
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;B[ko]
;W[jm]
;B[im]C[ThiGar [4k\]: b back in the game
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;W[fm]C[alienist [5k\]: w doesn't need to play risky
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;B[gn]C[Esquisse [9d\]: it's not easy anymore
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;W[fn]
;B[ae]C[USGO4 [-\]: White has two byo yomi periods, black five
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;W[bj]C[yuedu [9k?\]: these aga ratings?
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;B[cg]C[sleazypnut [2d\]: w is gonna die
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;W[bf]
;B[eg]C[alienist [5k\]: where?
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;W[ff]
;B[ef]C[PlayBoy [2k\]: right there
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;W[bh]C[daniug [2d\]: already lost points
TyTaLuS [1k\]: a15 was so huge
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;B[mm]C[TyTaLuS [1k\]: f7 was a mistake then
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;W[lm]C[PlayBoy [2k\]: may be a ko
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;B[bi]
;W[ai]
;B[cj]
;W[bk]C[daniug [2d\]: h2
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;B[rc]C[wuwei [2k\]: w seems slightly ahead
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;W[id]
;B[ic]C[TyTaLuS [1k\]: what happened to the other usgo game?
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;W[he]C[wuwei [2k\]: they ended
PlayBoy [2k\]: lost
SirFlunky [2k\]: exploded
]
;B[ge]C[TyTaLuS [1k\]: bu
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;W[mf]
;B[md]
;W[jh]
;B[ng]C[SirFlunky [2k\]: wooow
ThiGar [4k\]: so close!
SirFlunky [2k\]: n2 now
SirFlunky [2k\]: just do it
]
;W[jd]C[SirFlunky [2k\]: scaredy cat ;)
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;B[gf]C[xedover [?\]: board 1... Matthew (w) resigned to Ryan (b)... there is a corrected game record
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;W[gg]C[Prime [-\]: Ryan Li 1p
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;B[rb]C[Prime [-\]: calling it now
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;W[pl]C[martin97 [-\]: interesting call for highest ranked with 2 wins :P
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;B[pm]
;W[ol]C[Prime [-\]: ikr lol
]
;B[ql]
;W[kd]
;B[kc]
;W[pb]
;B[nd]C[martin97 [-\]: l2?
bwv1004 [6k\]: what happened in game 2?
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;W[qe]
;B[rd]
;W[nc]
;B[lr]C[pract1ce1 [?\]: where is this being played? on kgs? or in person?
PlayBoy [2k\]: in hotel
wuwei [2k\]: very much in person
xedover [?\]: you mean board 2 of tonight's 2nd round?
]
;W[hr]C[pract1ce1 [?\]: do you know what state?
wuwei [2k\]: Mass
remsleep [5k?\]: the room of deep contemplation
xedover [?\]: board 2 resigned to Eric
pract1ce1 [?\]: cool
TyTaLuS [1k\]: when is the 3d round?
xedover [?\]: *daniel...
]
;B[or]
;W[pr]C[pract1ce1 [?\]: ty wuwei
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;B[mr]C[xedover [?\]: tomorrow morning
TyTaLuS [1k\]: ty
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;W[hn]C[xedover [?\]: 9:30a and 4:30p every day this week (us eastern time)
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;B[fi]C[xedover [?\]: http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-results-2014
]
;W[gi]C[oren [?\]: too early :)
]
;B[gm]C[SirFlunky [2k\]: black can kill a stone somewhere
SirFlunky [2k\]: who can find it?
]
;W[mn]
;B[om]C[SirFlunky [2k\]: n6 mistake?!
MREDMASH [2d\]: b + .5
]
;W[dg]C[sleazypnut [2d\]: what is the komi 6.5 or 7.5
MREDMASH [2d\]: 7.5
]
;B[hm]
;W[ho]
;B[el]
;W[em]
;B[so]
;W[sq]
;B[ka]
;W[la]
;B[kl]
;W[ll]
;B[ra]C[PlayBoy [2k\]: i am so happy the kid beat the old guy
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;W[mo]C[Prime [-\]: yeah how old is yuan zhou?
PlayBoy [2k\]: over 60
Prime [-\]: ive read a couple of his books
Prime [-\]: oh wow
xedover [?\]: he is not
odnihs [-\]: he's like 39..
xedover [?\]: holy smokes
Prime [-\]: ok i was gonna say lmao
]
;B[kr]
;W[kq]C[xedover [?\]: don't you guys know how to google anything?
remsleep [5k?\]: no age limit on US pros?
]
;B[hj]
;W[hi]C[wuwei [2k\]: lol and lol
Prime [-\]: probs not
]
;B[no]C[wuwei [2k\]: I am too lazy to Google
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;W[gl]C[Prime [-\]: why use google when you have KGS kibitz
]
;B[hl]
;W[fj]
;B[ej]
;W[nf]C[wuwei [2k\]: I need the information to be just given to me
]
;B[qf]
;W[pc]
;B[of]C[Strategist [2k\]: yeah we all need that, and no chating or other nonsense
]
;W[le]
;B[ps]
;W[qs]
;B[os]C[Falcon89 [5k\]: anyone knows where is Jeremy from, which usa city?
]
;W[ks]
;B[ls]
;W[js]
;B[mp]C[SirFlunky [2k\]: im pretty sure hes over 70
wuwei [2k\]: ok, I'll google the thing
]
;W[af]
;B[ah]
;W[aj]C[pract1ce1 [?\]: how old is jermey?
SirFlunky [2k\]: dont google "the thing" unless you are into porn..
]
;B[ad]
;W[ag]
;B[eh]
;W[ah]C[U [?\]: jeremy is 6d which means 60 years old
xedover [?\]: Jeremy is 12... from the Bay area in Calif
]
;B[lp]
;W[is]C[U [?\]: yuan is 7d so hes 70
]
;B[nm]C[Falcon89 [5k\]: thx, xedover
pract1ce1 [?\]: ty
]
;W[ij]
;B[ne]
;W[kn]
;B[me]
;W[lj]C[Prime [-\]: SE says black wins
]
;B[fh]
;W[qa]C[xedover [?\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?YuanZhou
]
;B[nl]
;W[ml]C[Vindicare [2k\]: aga rules
remsleep [5k?\]: b has one group so the proverb says he wins
]
;B[]
;W[]C[Strategist [2k\]: yes
USGO4 [-\]: both players pass ... counting begins
Strategist [2k\]: in old rules he only pays 1 point for tax group
pract1ce1 [?\]: so exciting
ThiGar [4k\]: master of suspense
koke [1d\]: B 4,5
Vindicare [2k\]: komi is 7.5?
USGO4 [-\]: Komi 7.5 
ubcljxgo [4d\]: b win
ThiGar [4k\]: and the winner is...?
U [?\]: theyre counting...
wuwei [2k\]: found nothing, Yuan's age is a mustery
wuwei [2k\]: mistery*
USGO4 [-\]: b+1.5
xedover [?\]: thanks usgo4
MREDMASH [2d\]: 1 pt off :[
ThiGar [4k\]: thanks USGO
NicolaiHel [3k\]: yuan was my shifu
NicolaiHel [3k\]: i can confirm
USGO4 [-\]: My pleasure
jodageezer [?\]: thanks USGO
NicolaiHel [3k\]: hes around 39
NicolaiHel [3k\]: :)
RainierBob [?\]: I've met him; certainly not 60 or 70
xedover [?\]: Yuan will get a laugh out of that :)
jodageezer [?\]: Jeremy is only 12?
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