(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[5400]OT[5x40 byo-yomi]
GN[3rd AGA Pro Quals - Eric Lui vs Ryan Li]PW[Ryan Li]PB[Eric Lui]WR[7d]BR[7d]DT[2015-01-09]EV[3rd AGA Pro Qualification Tournament]RO[Finals game 3]PC[Hull, MA]US[Mark Lee]C[insomnia [4d\]: DUN DUN DUNNNNN
pwnnuki [1d\]: Aaaand here. we. go!
Ootakamoku [2d\]: because its aga rules whis is leading
Bombil [3k\]: USGO1 who is andrew jackson?
pwnnuki [1d\]: solid cash
sethf [9k\]: A presdient
Bombil [3k\]: lol
sethf [9k\]: *president
Ootakamoku [2d\]: japanese rules and b would be leading.
USGO1 [-\]: hi this is chris garlock; welcome to the 3d round of the finals
Bombil [3k\]: chris
Bombil [3k\]: andrew jackson
pressure [2d\]: this is mcmahon?
Bombil [3k\]: he is usgo2?
U [?\]: andrew is usually usgo2
zampa [3k\]: white is totally leading so far with roughly 6.5 points
seig [?\]: what's the atmosphere like usgo01?
U [?\]: who won the morning round
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[qd]C[zampa [3k\]: ryan li won.
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;W[dc]C[Dream [3d\]: but black has sente after the last sequnece
]
;B[dq]C[U [?\]: ok so this could be last one
psygo [3k\]: y
ligo [6k\]: why the other two matches?
USGO1 [-\]: mark lee is your game recorder 
elianovici [4d\]: I just wanted to write that b will play r16 :), I am 7d so far :)
Ootakamoku [2d\]: dream, sure, but white komi of 7 points is too much, sente only worth 6.8 points or something
USGO1 [-\]: myungwan kim and andrew jackson will do a game commentary in about an hour
]
;W[co]
;B[pp]C[ligo [6k\]: great
U [?\]: ligo to determine placement overall
JFK: r16 and d3 is my last experiment
]
;W[od]C[sethf [9k\]: does the speed in which you play the moves reflect how the players are playing them? 
sethf [9k\]: q4 seemed like there was no hesitation whatsoever
]
;B[oc]C[served [3d\]: eric is black again?
pressure [2d\]: USGO what is the system of selecting AGA Pro?
]
;W[nc]C[Jermelle [?\]: go ryan
]
;B[pc]C[zampa [3k\]: winner of this tournament is aga pro.
Ootakamoku [2d\]: sethf, scribe cathin up maybe, the other explanation is that the first few moves dont really require thought
zampa [3k\]: and this is the top 2 candidates playing a bo5, with ryan li leading 2-0 over eric lui
USGO4 [-\]: they chose for color and eric won the nigiri and chose b
hho: gooooo ryan go for the win
USGO2 [-\]: see tournament info here: http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-results-2014
JFK: b forcing w into a moyo game?
]
;W[fp]
;B[nd]C[golgo13 [8k\]: isn't o16 a ddk move?
JFK: and isn't nigiri only for the 1st of a bo5 match?
psygo [3k\]: taisha?
]
;W[ce]C[Horse [8k\]: not yet
mmmd [3k\]: no they nigiri everytime i think
liquid [-\]: o16 is very big
Ootakamoku [2d\]: d4 e3 f3 b4 c3 in bottom left?
insomnia [4d\]: they nigiri 1st 3rd and 5th i think
JFK: uhuh thx
insomnia [4d\]: time to taisha
]
;B[pj]C[pwnnuki [1d\]: you know I see this p16 p17 o17 q17 tenuki so much, I wonder if p16 p17 o17 q16 will make a return
psygo [3k\]: i think he should E3 and dont taisha
psygo [3k\]: the upper right corner helps w a lot in taisha
zampa [3k\]: i'd do everything in my power not to get tempted to play the taisha...
zampa [3k\]: its just too many variations..
Horse [8k\]: there is no taisha yet
golgo13 [8k\]: taish not popular among pros in Korea recently
zampa [3k\]: "yet" being the keyword.
mmmd [3k\]: black does everythin in his power to not play taisha too ;)
just9x9 [-\]: e5 looks tempting to me. or d10
Borachon [3k\]: b setting up to play the connect on top variant?
]
;W[dp]C[zampa [3k\]: yay no taisha!
mkeller [1d\]: :(
just9x9 [-\]: e4 tenuki d5 :)
Borachon [3k\]: b splits the left now, or takes bottom star point? :)
pwnnuki [1d\]: lol
Ootakamoku [2d\]: b could play c3 here, but w shape would be ridiculously good, in sente
Ootakamoku [2d\]: rahter play e3
insomnia [4d\]: we can still have taisha just need a very odd ko fight
psygo [3k\]: d10 seems nice to me
golgo13 [8k\]: initing a taisha as b is determinded to be a losing strategy
]
;B[mc]C[insomnia [4d\]: ew n17
insomnia [4d\]: i like n16 so much better myself
Muttley [2k\]: n17 is hardcore
ofbusy [4d\]: its solid :p
Ootakamoku [2d\]: preetty crazy that b allowes w to play e3
psygo [3k\]: i agree with insomnia
just9x9 [-\]: how is n17 hardcore?
]
;W[nq]C[mmmd [3k\]: now set up the crazy ko for taisha ^^
Ootakamoku [2d\]: and ya, makes sense to allow it, since b o3 would be good
]
;B[pn]
;W[eq]C[mkeller [1d\]: Seems risk-averse from both
Horse [8k\]: both are very solid now
Warfreak2 [4d\]: you wouldn't take risks in this game, either
eleven21: n17 says "p16 and o17 are bad moves"
]
;B[oq]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: no, it doesn't
Ootakamoku [2d\]: eleven, no, not really :)
JFK: never seen two corners so slow and strong as these in early fuseki
rubicon [4d\]: it really doesnt say that :P
eleven21: oh it's not?
Horse [8k\]: tachi now ?
]
;W[np]
;B[kp]C[kostuek [?\]: its a move, it cant speak
psygo [3k\]: gosh that was quicl
psygo [3k\]: quick*
just9x9 [-\]: listen harder
Warfreak2 [4d\]: sure it can, kostuek
Ootakamoku [2d\]: lol, I was just about to comment on the missclick
oonicks [?\]: n17 said 'isn't this miai'?
USGO1 [-\]: sorry misclick
Ootakamoku [2d\]: felt it was too close to super strong f4
]
;W[nm]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: before go was called weiqi (surrounding game), it was called "hand talk"
psygo [3k\]: p8
JFK: I already like w honestly
Grunman [10k\]: w don't wanna take bottom?
psygo [3k\]: hand talk translates to what in chinese?
Horse [8k\]: i would already feel scary as black with that single stone
justhinkin [2k\]: ryan 2 -0 eric?? 
just9x9 [-\]: o7 is taking bottom large scale :)
Ootakamoku [2d\]: yes
psygo [3k\]: y
Borachon [3k\]: yes
USGO1 [-\]: yes
kostuek [?\]: i don't believe that
golgo13 [8k\]: w wants left side
Warfreak2 [4d\]: shou tan
Ootakamoku [2d\]: b l7 maybe?
spacetime [4d\]: result page says he won on time? is that a formality, was he way ahead or
rubicon [4d\]: is b g3 sente?
]
;B[ln]C[just9x9 [-\]: formality
U [?\]: so we can finally say yes, if ryan wins this game he becomes pro, when people ask
just9x9 [-\]: he was behind a lot
Warfreak2 [4d\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?HandTalk
Ootakamoku [2d\]: spacetime, not much ahead, but enuf
JFK: he was ahead in spacetime, actually
Ootakamoku [2d\]: w normal move is p5 peep?
just9x9 [-\]: he was ahead sry, win was ok
Ootakamoku [2d\]: tho I always hate playing it
cheerup: eric was ahead a lot in game 2
cheerup: but lost in the end
kostuek [?\]: still weird, they just can't speak. not, if i'm taking my medicine 
golgo13 [8k\]: komi is 7.5?
Kamoro [?\]: yep
Horse [8k\]: o10 is probably too far ?
pwnnuki [1d\]: using a lot of time on this move, did he not expect a two space jump to be challenged?
JFK: he was hoping to force resignation by coolness
just9x9 [-\]: i was asking about p5. destroys so much corner aji
Warfreak2 [4d\]: p5 is illegal
just9x9 [-\]: oh, thats good to know
Warfreak2 [4d\]: it doesn't even fix the shape problems
golgo13 [8k\]: p5 instead of o7 a ddk move
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i am thinking about q7
kostuek [?\]: L2
just9x9 [-\]: q7 o6 and then? being satisfied with splitting up right at the cost of o4?
psygo [3k\]: l2 will still get enclosed i believe
pwnnuki [1d\]: what tactical advantage does q7 give? seems w has to n6 (terrible) or o6 
svenkramer: resignation by coolness..there exists a nice book on chess
svenkramer: about resigning in winning positions
JFK: ^^
just9x9 [-\]: those chessplayers...
]
;W[pk]C[just9x9 [-\]: ha
Dream [3d\]: timr for magfic
sedgwick [5d?\]: wow :)
svenkramer: written by tim krabbe
pwnnuki [1d\]: teleport like a boss
just9x9 [-\]: was about to suggest it after warfreak said q7
insomnia [4d\]: ryan needs debugging?
just9x9 [-\]: but more like a random shot :)
Horse [8k\]: how does he come up with such a move
JFK: surely ryan got a free style
Warfreak2 [4d\]: q7 o6 p6 is very leisurely for w
Warfreak2 [4d\]: w gets a strong group, just about loses two stones, but b has few points - l2 later is big
golgo13 [8k\]: b can build huge around q12
pwnnuki [1d\]: I see warfreak thanks
Warfreak2 [4d\]: q7 r7 is more likely, then w is probably still looking for a way to sac o3
]
;B[oj]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: best shape way to connect directly is probably n5
insomnia [4d\]: now lets see w followup
]
;W[ql]C[just9x9 [-\]: of course r8, what else
Horse [8k\]: r10 too slow ?
psygo [3k\]: obvious move indeed
just9x9 [-\]: once you see it :)
insomnia [4d\]: now p8 :D
golgo13 [8k\]: r10 strenthens b
golgo13 [8k\]: even more
kostuek [?\]: mirror p7
Horse [8k\]: hm, hope that black's corner isn't in trouble here
logang [6k?\]: or did you mean R10 for black, Horse?
Toge [2d\]: This situation is very complicated to read
indianayk [5d?\]: r10 or r6?
hho: korean joseki ?
golgo13 [8k\]: b should r6
just9x9 [-\]: i like p7
]
;B[ol]C[psygo [3k\]: that is one large top
insomnia [4d\]: called it :)
logang [6k?\]: nice nice
]
;W[qj]
;B[qi]C[psygo [3k\]: ha, thats the move i would play
pwnnuki [1d\]: take the elephant for a ride eh
planless [3d\]: Ryan is white again? Don't they alternate colors?
Horse [8k\]: white is cut at the very least
Illyria [?\]: they nigiri every game
just9x9 [-\]: they nigiri every second game as far as i understood
hho: i really prefer b in this position
psygo [3k\]: USGO, could you explain the nigiri?
hho: but go ryan !!
Ootakamoku [2d\]: is so looks like w is overplaying
psygo [3k\]: i mean, how it works in this tournament, not nigiri itself
maher139 [1k\]: what's the time at atm?
golgo13 [8k\]: w peek at r5 possible?
pwnnuki [1d\]: w is trying to gracefully sacrifice but in the end it is just putting more stones in trouble
Elscouta [2k?\]: w peek at r5 is murder on o4
kostuek [?\]: p8 leaves too much aji for me, but well, i'm a chicken
svenkramer: forgotten are the remarks about the lonely stone at l4
Horse [8k\]: s11 s10 s9 and a ko ?
maher139 [1k\]: what was said about l4?
logang [6k?\]: http://www.usgo.org/files/pdf/2014-APQF-Rules_and_Regulations.pdf
elianovici [4d\]: Horse.. no ko threats..
just9x9 [-\]: l4 was said to be lonely
]
;W[ri]
;B[rj]C[Horse [8k\]: hm
]
;W[rk]
;B[qk]C[indianayk [5d?\]: yes, horse. that's the only play for w
just9x9 [-\]: strong horse :)
Borachon [3k\]: they draw for color every other time
]
;W[qo]C[USGO1 [-\]: Eric won nigiri
just9x9 [-\]: wow the 8k connection gets the game :) nice guys
Borachon [3k\]: since this is the third game, they drew for color again
USGO1 [-\]: so Eric choose Black
Illyria [?\]: the rules say they don't nigiri game 2, but do game 3
Illyria [?\]: but doesn't say what happens after that
Liso66 [?\]: The first game played in each Championship match will therefore have the colors reversed from what was played in the RRP. If a third game is needed, the players will draw for color.
sedgwick [5d?\]: don't think b can answer, no ko threats after this
just9x9 [-\]: in a best of 5 a third game is always needed
maher139 [1k\]: doesn't b have t10?
insomnia [4d\]: could potentially descend as a threat
slinfolo [5k\]: if Eric wins, when is the fourth game played?
Illyria [?\]: tomorrow morning
insomnia [4d\]: but that's usually not good
]
;B[po]
;W[qj]C[USGO1 [-\]: tomorrow mornig at 9:30
just9x9 [-\]: why insomnia?
sedgwick [5d?\]: not sure descend is good threat, if w connect they can push out at p9
Oloril [-\]: 0930 gmt?
Borachon [3k\]: 0930 US EST
logang [6k?\]: if black descends, white has an easier time of it
insomnia [4d\]: because opponent could connect or leave as aji
insomnia [4d\]: the s11 for t10 exchange is very nice for w
maher139 [1k\]: hmm if b wins this ko, it's kinda disasterous for w? and ah you're right pushing out at p9 if b descends is strong
hho: i think w will take ko now
Horse [8k\]: well, does black have a kothreat somewhere ?
parkridge [3d\]: tough game for b
slinfolo [5k\]: he has d16
maher139 [1k\]: b has no threats~
]
;B[sj]C[xedover [?\]: if needed, tomorrow's game will be (in your timezone): <gmt>2015-01-10 14:30</gmt>
Ootakamoku [2d\]: automatic ignore
logang [6k?\]: black doesn't have any direct threats
Ootakamoku [2d\]: t10 loses points unless b wins ko now
Veivi [5d\]: my feeling is O7 and P8 both overplays
insomnia [4d\]: b had to use descend in the end, at least now w has even less threats
]
;W[qq]C[Oloril [-\]: *fewer
gogol1er [1d\]: is it a free commentary?
maher139 [1k\]: yeah
]
;B[qp]C[insomnia [4d\]: but yeah w tenukis and its hard for b to end ko in one move
Ootakamoku [2d\]: should be free
]
;W[or]C[insomnia [4d\]: that's part of why descend is desperation
Ootakamoku [2d\]: this is weird tho, making w otuside group heavier?
parkridge [3d\]: b is behind
golgo13 [8k\]: that's why pros play r6 instead of q6 
maher139 [1k\]: w's outside shape is pretty safe?
]
;B[pq]
;W[pr]
;B[qr]C[Horse [8k\]: isn't the ko important any more ?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: maher, outside shape will suffer so much if b gets first move
Brian [1d\]: if ryan wins this game, he is pro, right?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: and now that w invested more he cant really give it up
parkridge [3d\]: q2 bad
]
;W[rq]
;B[rr]
;W[qh]C[killmejk [4k\]: 2 games in one day?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: oh wow
maher139 [1k\]: lol
maher139 [1k\]: w going all in
spacetime [4d\]: awesome
Ootakamoku [2d\]: setting up big enough ko threat for this
insomnia [4d\]: since w was setting up threats with q2 it makes sense
Ootakamoku [2d\]: ya, one way street now
insomnia [4d\]: now t10 looks really bad
]
;B[qk]
;W[rp]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: ignore
hho: w is crazy
maher139 [1k\]: pretty much b has to ignore
maher139 [1k\]: he has no threats 
insomnia [4d\]: b can still answer one threat
Ootakamoku [2d\]: I guess you could answer this
sedgwick [5d?\]: if w get r6 next the has q7 after..
Ootakamoku [2d\]: and threatten o3 with n2
hho: still good result for b no ?
]
;B[ro]
;W[qj]C[Veivi [5d\]: has to ignore, but the threat is just too large
Quinn [3k\]: b is gonna get wrecked
spacetime [4d\]: if he can threaten to capture entire O4 group he can respond
namtg [1k\]: w controls the game
Veivi [5d\]: yes, it seems easy for w now
sedgwick [5d?\]: connext q11?:)
maher139 [1k\]: man if w gets q11
spacetime [4d\]: but yea seems like B is in a tough spot now. maybe should have filled
insomnia [4d\]: well b did t10 before makes snese to q11 here
pollux1: b connects
]
;B[ec]
;W[pi]C[maher139 [1k\]: lol
KGS [3d?\]: ..
Ootakamoku [2d\]: ...
maher139 [1k\]: not even thinking about it
Elscouta [2k?\]: e17 really
maher139 [1k\]: obv q11 too huge
Juippi [2d\]: who would?
manofearth [?\]: ok.. let's c it!
insomnia [4d\]: e17 is uh not enough
parkridge [3d\]: b far behind
Ootakamoku [2d\]: resign now would be funny
maher139 [1k\]: yeah w has an easy time now
szaloony [3k\]: poor b
DrStraw [-\]: could he have attacked the lower right group as a threat?
Quinn [3k\]: poor poor b :(
]
;B[dd]
;W[cd]C[spacetime [4d\]: hold your horses. O4 group still very attackable
Elscouta [2k?\]: isn't d16 a much bigger threat than e17 anyway?
]
;B[de]C[spacetime [4d\]: yeah that's what i was just thinking
maher139 [1k\]: yeah pretty sure d16 is bigger
pwnnuki [1d\]: magic avalanche
Ootakamoku [2d\]: d16 is locally bigger, but it gives a result in wrong direction globally?
parkridge [3d\]: need sente here
maher139 [1k\]: this is turning into avalanche?
moyoaji [2k?\]: It just reverted to joseki
parkridge [3d\]: to go back
moyoaji [2k?\]: I don't think this is a good threat
pwnnuki [1d\]: threat to play joseki ^^
spacetime [4d\]: ok so maybe wants this variation and then m3 or something?
spacetime [4d\]: d14 would be boss
maher139 [1k\]: to be honest, it seems like b's influence is gonna be hard to use now that w has double ponnuki
sedgwick [5d?\]: later w s6
light [-\]: where can we find results and something that explains how the tournament works ? i'm quite lost here
parkridge [3d\]: if w a14
parkridge [3d\]: then ignore
Ootakamoku [2d\]: d14 = less neutralize all potential
]
;W[cf]C[sedgwick [5d?\]: b should t5, otherwise ko in corner
parkridge [3d\]: m3
Lsugyen [7d\]: I thought they switch color in second game
Illyria [?\]: they do
Ootakamoku [2d\]: sedwick, how do u make ko there?
spacetime [4d\]: what ko
Illyria [?\]: this is game 3
Lsugyen [7d\]: or third I mean
maher139 [1k\]: i don't see ko
insomnia [4d\]: s6 r6 t5 
Illyria [?\]: game 3 is nigiri
Lsugyen [7d\]: isn't Ryan w in game 2?
insomnia [4d\]: would be very bad for b
insomnia [4d\]: so b will t5
spacetime [4d\]: s6 t5
maher139 [1k\]: s6 t5 
zife [-\]: s6 t5 
]
;B[df]C[sedgwick [5d?\]: s6, r6, t5, r5, t1
maher139 [1k\]: s6 t5 yo
spacetime [4d\]: oh wow d14
Horse [8k\]: is that a joseki ?
apina [1d\]: Ryan has looked just stronger in these three games. Every time when needed, he had made game more complex and got good result from it
pwnnuki [1d\]: yes horse
insomnia [4d\]: b makes ko threat and it ends in joseki xD
maher139 [1k\]: yeah i think ryan gonna be next aga pro
gogol1er [1d\]: nadare, taisha, they like complex joseki
spacetime [4d\]: ryan became a beast at the go congress this year. before that he was hardly on the map
insomnia [4d\]: its very bad compared to what white got on the right
sedgwick [5d?\]: He was certainly on the map in Canada:)
Horse [8k\]: ok, was a bit confused by the order
pwnnuki [1d\]: what's funny is we made the ko into taisha joke earlier, little did we expect ko to avalanche
spacetime [4d\]: fair enough sedge
U [?\]: ryan went 6-3 at the masters division
logang [6k?\]: Did Ryan win the go congress tournament or something?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: maybe canada wasnt on all maps..
logang [6k?\]: oh, thanks U
sedgwick [5d?\]: This summer was his first Go congress
]
;W[dg]C[spacetime [4d\]: no but he did very well in a super strong field
insomnia [4d\]: ryan was 9d kgs from long ago just never play in much tournaments 
Brian [1d\]: the scribe won the us go congress :-)
]
;B[cc]
;W[db]
;B[bc]
;W[cb]C[U [?\]: the field included pros and mark lee
light [-\]: what's his pseudo on KGS ?
U [?\]: so it was a good resul;t yes
maher139 [1k\]: crazywind
maher139 [1k\]: i think
gogol1er [1d\]: nadare so difficult
]
;B[cg]C[insomnia [4d\]: crazywind and icydarts b4 that
U [?\]: crazywind. also formerly icydarts
]
;W[ch]
;B[bb]
;W[eb]
;B[bg]
;W[bf]C[Brian [1d\]: are all us pros "1d" pros?
maher139 [1k\]: dunno
sedgwick [5d?\]: Yes, there is no promotion system yet
maher139 [1k\]: dunno how the aga pro rating system works
sedgwick [5d?\]: Some time it will come :)
HKA [1d\]: the AGA system has only created 1p
logang [6k?\]: I believe so - pro rankings usually require promotions through regular games and title wins
]
;B[fc]C[Quinn [3k\]: yes, all are 1p, no pro ranking system yet
HKA [1d\]: "us pros" is ambiguous
Brian [1d\]: :-)
Brian [1d\]: not when you're talking to me
HKA [1d\]: since we have other citizen pros
Ootakamoku [2d\]: so, even if a AGA pro wins an international tournament like samsung cup, he will still remain 1p, cool :)
Brian [1d\]: oh ok
Brian [1d\]: i thought you meant "us" the word
just9x9 [-\]: aga pro winning the samsung cup :)
HKA [1d\]: I was quoting you Brian
Needham [5k\]: who's in trouble on the upper left?
maher139 [1k\]: Lol
HKA [1d\]: forgive me for not thinking you were a pro
maher139 [1k\]: no one, it's a joseki
sedgwick [5d?\]: I think if a NA certified pro win the Samsung it will bump up the urgency for a promotion system :)
insomnia [4d\]: upperleft still joseki
Brian [1d\]: yes, i know.  i didn't mean that all AGA pros are american.  i've just been frequently visiting "usgo.org" to check results, and i got hung up on "us"
harpo [?\]: there is a us 9p i thought
insomnia [4d\]: if na pro wins samsung they will just make him 9p
maher139 [1k\]: there are 9pros that live in the us
U [?\]: hes an american that is 9p in japan system
maher139 [1k\]: but no us 9p
insomnia [4d\]: us 9p in japan go system, its different
]
;W[ef]C[Kisame361 [7k\]: i dont think any of our pros could really contend with the major pros on the asian circuit
maher139 [1k\]: !
Kisame361 [7k\]: not yet anyway
Quinn [3k\]: rumor has it Sedol might come live in North America
sedgwick [5d?\]: Is this still joseki?  I don't think so...
TuLy [3k\]: heh, last game W had the same group as q8 :)
spacetime [4d\]: lee sedol gave both Us pros 2 stones and won last year
Ootakamoku [2d\]: quinn, old rumor, dead and burried
maher139 [1k\]: michael redmond was 9d pro in japan rating system
]
;B[fe]
;W[fb]C[HKA [1d\]: is
Quinn [3k\]: true
Kisame361 [7k\]: michael redmond is probably the best american born go player but hes a pro for the nihon-kiin
maher139 [1k\]: oh i thought he retired
Brian [1d\]: the only 9d pro not from asia, isn't he?
light [-\]: yup
]
;B[bh]C[Kisame361 [7k\]: yup
mmmd [3k\]: hans pietsch died to early ... maybe
DrStraw [-\]: Michael Redmond is 43 years younger than sugiuchi - who has not retired yet
OneStone [6d\]: MIchael is only around 50, why would he retire?
U [?\]: f17 is wrong
mmmd [3k\]: i mean he died too early surely .. but who knows if he would have become 9p
]
;W[ee]
;B[ed]
;W[gc]C[maher139 [1k\]: dunno, i just remember someone saying he doesn't play anymore
]
;B[fd]
;W[bd]C[Needham [5k\]: Are Chinese and Korean pros stronger than Japanese pros?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: what pretty shapes they make
smajdalf [1d\]: anyway Redmond still only one white 9p
Veivi [5d\]: ppp ainful
Ootakamoku [2d\]: neeham, few years ago yes, now I dont know.
KGS [3d?\]: beautiful
OneStone [6d\]: Yes, Needham
Kisame361 [7k\]: i think korea has the best players around at the moment
Lsugyen [7d\]: it's apparent that w is in favor again
Brian [1d\]: Needham, i think it's a trolling question
Lsugyen [7d\]: the ponukis at s9 area is way too big
Kisame361 [7k\]: korea and china have been dominating the international circuit for a while
pwnnuki [1d\]: truly they are pwnnuki
spacetime [-\]: Mostly yes Needham, But japan's #1 player Iyama Yuta is really good, but he only rarely gets to play with foreign pros cause he plays in so many japanese tournaments
Ootakamoku [2d\]: luygen, its only 60 points
Mipaline [5k\]: b16 is the kind of ,ove I never find
smajdalf [1d\]: hard to say, which pro is best....china and korea has more strong players then Japan, but for example Iyama can match top players from both countries
Kisame361 [7k\]: iyama holds all the major titles except for 2 lol
higgs [8k\]: a15
]
;B[ci]C[spacetime [-\]: most pros feel China is poised to dominate the go world, as they have many more up and coming young players, but right now in a head to head, say best 10 from each, it's about even
apina [1d\]: there can be many reasons to retire, when you are 50, Go Seigen "retired" (not officially) when he was 50
spacetime [-\]: korea still holding strong
U [?\]: he got ina  car wreck and had health issues from that
psygo [3k\]: go seigen retired also because of his accident
apina [1d\]: I know
Horse [8k\]: e13 ?
]
;W[rn]
;B[so]C[OneStone [6d\]: Most go pros don't retire until 60-65.
smajdalf [1d\]: for japanes player is a bit "problem", that they home tournament have best prizes, so the top japanese players rarely join international tournaments
gogol1er [1d\]: how can top left be fair to black? seems w got corner vs ... nothing
HKA [1d\]: I do not think this is sedgwick's  sequence
Brian [1d\]: there's no problem, just that system is different in japan vs. korea, etc.
just9x9 [-\]: sedgwick wantd t1 in the ended, wondered what that was
]
;W[dh]C[U [?\]: well f17 was a mistake so it led to w being better
OneStone [6d\]: W will play e13 or d12 
]
;B[di]
;W[fh]C[Borachon [3k\]: why not ladder?
OneStone [6d\]: ??
Ootakamoku [2d\]: e13?
just9x9 [-\]: squeeze now?
OneStone [6d\]: No
charkysan [-\]: f13
insomnia [4d\]: t1 was typo for t2
insomnia [4d\]: it was reason why b had to t5
OneStone [6d\]: Maybe h16 or h15 
just9x9 [-\]: but after s1 w cant approach
light [-\]: is that the joseki sequence
just9x9 [-\]: or does he ko then weith r1?
light [-\]: b seems far worse
insomnia [4d\]: he connects with s7
insomnia [4d\]: b can't approach either and w connects under
insomnia [4d\]: disaster for b
moyoaji [2k?\]: I don't know avalanche that well, but I think this is a deviation from joseki
just9x9 [-\]: oh i see
just9x9 [-\]: tx
Krikri [2k\]: f13 ?
Brian [1d\]: even if it's deviation from joseki, it's hard to tell if it's good or bad just from that, since joseki depends on the board
Capa21 [11k\]: How much $ do USA pros make a year? Just curious 
OneStone [6d\]: 0
seig [?\]: depends on what kind of job they have
Lsugyen [7d\]: f13 seems to be the vital point
gfdhff [2k\]: someone have big pack of iyama yuta games?
Lsugyen [7d\]: o rh16
humblelife [-\]: nice one seig
USGO2 [-\]: more than 0; they get paid to do game reviews for the e-journal
served [3d\]: gfdhff: I do, why?
]
;B[ei]C[USGO2 [-\]: a few other ways.  Not a lot, but not zero.
light [-\]: also depends if you count years of study before getting to the pro level :)
Quinn [3k\]: huh, didn't know that
gfdhff [2k\]: i want to review them. 
DrStraw [-\]: they are really semi-pro.  Get paid for it but don't make a living from it
aeyalcinog [7k?\]: why he didn't play e13?
]
;W[fg]
;B[he]C[gfdhff [2k\]: and study them
elianovici [4d\]: e13 f14 
elianovici [4d\]: that's why
Brian [1d\]: pro in this context is mostly about the title.  they could call it something else, like "pru" or whatever
Capa21 [11k\]: So, it's kinda like being a pro triathlete. U less you're one of the best in the world, you still have to work, etc... 
USGO4 [-\]: Myungwan Kim 9P will begin his game commentary of the Li-Lui match soon...
light [-\]: e13 f14 e12 ..?
just9x9 [-\]: e13 f14? seriously?
]
;W[hd]C[Quinn [3k\]: yes
elianovici [4d\]: yes
DrStraw [-\]: when did Kim become 9p? I thought he was 8p
just9x9 [-\]: squeeze is enough?
U [?\]: he got promoted a few years ago
Brian [1d\]: he was promoted for promoting go
Brian [1d\]: like how breakfast is 3p now
spiritburd [1d\]: Breakfast is a solid 3pro now
]
;B[ff]C[light [-\]: well, no
Needham [5k\]: When did Myungwan Kim come to the U.S.?
light [-\]: not e13 f14
light [-\]: sorry guys
light [-\]: this is just stupid
DrStraw [-\]: prmoting go?  You mean he got it because of tartrate?
chisquare [2k\]: :)
light [-\]: YAY
spiritburd [1d\]: F11
JFK: hi and thx
]
;W[hh]C[spiritburd [1d\]: I see jump is a little strange
sleazypnut [2d\]: I like white
Quinn [3k\]: e13, f14,e12,g15,g16,h16(atari),d13 is one possible sequence light
Quinn [3k\]: back when we were talking about that stuff
spiritburd [1d\]: J16
spiritburd [1d\]: Or k15
]
;B[gj]C[spiritburd [1d\]: That doesn't work o.O
TuLy [3k\]: j15
spiritburd [1d\]: Hmmm
spiritburd [1d\]: Hard
TuLy [3k\]: agree
]
;W[hj]C[Capa21 [11k\]: On mobile. Who is which color? 
]
;B[gi]C[spiritburd [1d\]: Goes left to right
sethf [9k\]: Lui is black, Li is white
kermit81 [?\]: R Li  white  E Lui black
pwnnuki [1d\]: ryan is w
USGO1 [-\]: B: Eric W:Ryan
Quinn [3k\]: lol, very informative
]
;W[hi]C[elianovici [4d\]: why "too"? 
Capa21 [11k\]: Thx. And Ryan is up 2-0?
spiritburd [1d\]: The pain white must feel
USGO1 [-\]: yes
USGO1 [-\]: Ryan 2-0 Eric
gfdhff [2k\]: kgs mobile version need more polish
Herod [-\]: yes sir
sethf [9k\]: I did not even know KGS had a mobile version
TuLy [3k\]: spirit, write in Yoda style ^^
]
;B[hf]C[Alife361 [?\]: USGO, the wunner will immediately become 1p, or he will need some other conditions to fulfill? Thanks
Alife361 [?\]: *winner
Capa21 [11k\]: Can't scroll back to beginning of conversation. Right now can go back to the chat around move just before 85
xedover [?\]: http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-results-2014
]
;W[hg]C[Quinn [3k\]: click options view offline, will show conversation move by move
Quinn [3k\]: if Ryan wins, he will be 1p, if Eric wins this game and the next two, he will become 1p
spiritburd [1d\]: On mobile just need updatwd version.
Quinn [3k\]: it's best of 5, ryan is 2-0
sethf [9k\]: what is the KGS mobile app called?
Alife361 [?\]: I mean, winner of the whole event will be 1p immediately?
Lsugyen [7d\]: mhm
Ootakamoku [2d\]: sethf, KGS
spiritburd [1d\]: Its called expensive.
Ootakamoku [2d\]: it also only works on real smart phones
sethf [9k\]: is it this "easygo" app that costs $12?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: sethf, I think u have the wrong phone
MrFofi [3d\]: now he can play r6 and p7 cut
USGO1 [-\]: remaining time: B:54minutes and W:52minutes
Capa21 [11k\]: On Android in USA, app is KGS
spiritburd [1d\]: Look up gokgs
spiritburd [1d\]: Not available on iphone
Kogokhan [1d\]: it is just android and paid one.. It is called KGS (Kseido go server) mobile client. No different name
sethf [9k\]: ah, I have an iPhone
sethf [9k\]: never mind
minimalist [2k\]: b needs a very good move now
pressure [2d\]: is it just my feeling, that white is way ahead?
DrStraw [-\]: how about one for a tracphone?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: pressure, depends how you define way ahead
svenkramer: b simply has to many weak groups to take care of
]
;B[lq]C[killmejk [4k\]: :o
Ootakamoku [2d\]: b will be in the lead after he kills o3
]
;W[ck]C[apina [1d\]: if he kills it without giving compensation
Kogokhan [1d\]: hmm counter attack. W says i can kill more :)
minimalist [2k\]: hard ties for b :Ö)
minimalist [2k\]: times :)
Dream [3d\]: b10 not sente on upper left corner?
Kogokhan [1d\]: Well to me, the game seems ok for both sides 
GodofGo [6d\]: prefer w
moesasji: agree
MaLa [4d?\]: tuning in and finding a huge mess.... what on earth happened in this game? game of trades?
Capa21 [11k\]: B desperate 
]
;B[dk]
;W[dl]C[Madzilla [3d?\]: seems like B chose the wrong joseki ...
flatwhite [3k\]: is the corner white or black
]
;B[el]C[flatwhite [3k\]: it seems whites corner
]
;W[bj]C[Madzilla [3d?\]: some potential for ko, but basically it's W's
]
;B[bi]
;W[dm]C[Madzilla [3d?\]: (ko after a16 a15 a18)
mkeller [1d\]: Handy profit
psygo [3k\]: oh dear, this is a massacre
]
;B[hl]C[TuLy [3k\]: w corner is quite huge 
psygo [3k\]: i guess ryan is indeed the better player, considering his play so far
skwisgaar [2d\]: looks like eric made big mistakes
]
;W[il]
;B[im]
;W[hm]C[ligo [6k\]: 54 watchers
Herod [-\]: 256
odnihs [-\]: who else is talking
Herod [-\]: plus 182 on the commentary
U [?\]: andrew jackson is also talking
elianovici [4d\]: thet are the same people
odnihs [-\]: ah ok
cbc [?\]: How do you get sound?
cbc [?\]: nm got it
logang [6k?\]: just make sure audio is enabled in KGS preferences
]
;B[ik]
;W[hk]
;B[gl]
;W[jl]C[mkeller [1d\]: This cannot end well for b
]
;B[jk]
;W[jg]C[svenkramer: einzug der gladatoren
]
;B[je]C[svenkramer: gladiatoren
]
;W[in]C[svenkramer: moritori te salutant
steffen [1d\]: warum nennst du dich beim GO wie ein Eisschnellläufer? :)
]
;B[jm]
;W[kl]
;B[kk]C[svenkramer: supporter
killmejk [4k\]: m8?
steffen [1d\]: bartswings :)
psygo [3k\]: ich liebe deutsch is as far as i can go in german
Herod [-\]: stay with the game please
skwisgaar [2d\]: nobody loves german language
]
;W[ll]C[steffen [1d\]: do you know nobody personally?
killmejk [4k\]: woo
]
;B[lk]C[killmejk [4k\]: i is pro
]
;W[kn]C[GoGoGirl [-\]: kill
]
;B[lg]
;W[kf]C[steffen [1d\]: yes, w should kill the left side b group now quickly, otherwise...
GoGoGirl [-\]: W should g7 first
steffen [1d\]: w will not get 2 eyes easily for his center group
higgs [8k\]: m16
]
;B[kd]
;W[lf]C[killmejk [4k\]: this is for the whole game :o
elianovici [4d\]: How much time do they have?
elianovici [4d\]: USGO1
TuLy [3k\]: b seems deadish
mkeller [1d\]: What about body language?
mkeller [1d\]: Any frowns or concerned looks?
r0n1n [4k\]: that double ponnuki is deadly
mmmd [3k\]: happy shaking ?
maher139 [1k\]: how much time is left? anyone know?
USGO4 [-\]: w 41, b 29 m
]
;B[mf]C[elianovici [4d\]: ok, tx
maher139 [1k\]: oh, thank you
USGO4 [-\]: np
mkeller [1d\]: Ryan plays fast
BagaLutti [6d\]: b can still make a ko
USGO4 [-\]: btw, hope you've been enjoying these broadcasts 
elianovici [4d\]: yes
elianovici [4d\]: c10 
elianovici [4d\]: ko
TuLy [3k\]: for sure
killmejk [4k\]: they are great
]
;W[mg]
;B[mh]C[elianovici [4d\]: yeah..they inspire 
]
;W[ng]
;B[kg]
;W[jf]C[liptos [?\]: hey sry to bother, i just got here, does winner of this game become next AGA pro?
steffen [1d\]: only if b wins
liptos [?\]: ok, thx
steffen [1d\]: sorry w
liptos [?\]: oh ok
USGO1 [-\]: Ryan 2-0 Eric
liptos [?\]: ok best of 5 then, thx
]
;B[me]C[GoGoGirl [-\]: why only 1 pro not 2 is going to be qualified?
TuLy [3k\]: j15 doesnt work?
Borachon [3k\]: cause that's the rules. 2 was done only the first year
steffen [1d\]: nice to see how Eric deals with his initially weak stones :)
]
;W[nh]C[pressure [2d\]: what is strenght of AGA pros comparing to european ones?
Borachon [3k\]: j15/j16/h17
GoGoGirl [-\]: Aga pros are stronger for sure
Borachon [3k\]: sorry, j15/j16/j14/j17/g16/g18
elianovici [4d\]: depending if you are european or american :)
]
;B[ki]C[smajdalf [1d\]: Andy Liu is really strong, but the gap between for example these two and roln or cheater is really small
RoadRunner [3d\]: both are weak
RoadRunner [3d\]: compared to other pros
U [?\]: btu we dont care about other pros
U [?\]: we care about aga and europe pros
]
;W[ie]C[U [?\]: trying to compare the two is silly
steffen [1d\]: why?
U [?\]: i mean comparing aga/europe pros versus asian pros
]
;B[id]C[smajdalf [1d\]: anyway i would like to know, what asian pro thin about AGA and europe pro
jogadora [2k?\]: how does one get the 1-letter name "U"? oO
steffen [1d\]: he was asking only for AGA vs. EU
Liso66 [?\]: Pavol and Eric met in cycle 5 http://senseis.xmp.net/?CEGOAcademicSystem%2FEdition20142015
U [?\]: yeah though roadrunner was saying that theyre both weak compared to other pros which isnt relevant
wuwei [5k\]: there is only one way to really know...
]
;W[gf]C[wuwei [5k\]: a tournament
]
;B[ge]
;W[if]
;B[gg]C[mkeller [1d\]: Nice
]
;W[ic]
;B[gh]C[wsn [4k\]: nice
wuwei [5k\]: holy suji
logang [6k?\]: cool cool
]
;W[jd]
;B[ml]
;W[mm]
;B[lm]
;W[km]
;B[ko]C[mkeller [1d\]: Cool how o3 came back to life
]
;W[jn]
;B[nl]C[elianovici [4d\]: ?
]
;W[lo]C[GodofGo [6d\]: ouch
Warfreak2 [4d\]: not alive yet
RoadRunner [3d\]: extension worth more than expensive cut
GodofGo [6d\]: i prefer w in this fight if b n6
maher139 [1k\]: capturing race?
daniug [2d\]: start n2
mkeller [1d\]: N6 m4?
GodofGo [6d\]: oh wait a min
gemp [6d\]: w dead here
elianovici [4d\]: yes
Malingo [3d\]: n6 o6 n5 n4 m4 o5 m5 k3 
Warfreak2 [4d\]: w locally dead
Warfreak2 [4d\]: but more libs than b
elianovici [4d\]: i would play l2 w
elianovici [4d\]: just territory
Warfreak2 [4d\]: w has to squeeze and play n2
Warfreak2 [4d\]: then fight a semeai
]
;B[mn]
;W[nn]
;B[mo]
;W[mp]
;B[lp]
;W[no]
;B[lo]C[GodofGo [6d\]: after w wraps b up i was thinking k3
Muttley [2k\]: lots of moves
Warfreak2 [4d\]: maybe m2
lexansoft [2k\]: w r6
RoadRunner [3d\]: looks like w deader. w aliver
GodofGo [6d\]: but n2 then j4 works
TuLy [3k\]: j3
lexansoft [2k\]: no
Warfreak2 [4d\]: n2 j4 m2 l2 k2 is complicated
rinkaio [1k\]: b is pro in 1 hour
Warfreak2 [4d\]: kim is suggesting my move
U [?\]: b?
CieCie [1d\]: white has to be careful if black gets to strong on bottom k6 could be in trouble
U [?\]: b has to win 3 games to become pro, including this one
MrFofi [3d\]: l2
rinkaio [1k\]: w I meant
Kogokhan [1d\]: schrödinger's go group.it is both alive and dead until you read it
lepore [1d\]: \\
]
;W[mr]C[GodofGo [6d\]: n2 j4 then maybe threaten j6 grp somehow?
GoRoGoRo [?\]: schrödinger's go group HAHA
Kogokhan [1d\]: how about h5 now?
RoadRunner [3d\]: h5
ofbusy [4d\]: heisenberg go group :you have to deal with it...
rinkaio [1k\]: h5
wuwei [5k\]: there's more go in moderns physics than the opposite
FirePrince [-\]: lol
rinkaio [1k\]: good statement
RoadRunner [3d\]: h4
]
;B[ip]C[Xiang8: go can be described by physics, but physics probably not by go
rinkaio [1k\]: shy move
jogadora [2k?\]: k3
daniug [2d\]: threatening some g5 later
RoadRunner [3d\]: but if go is np complete...
GoRoGoRo [?\]: I must confess - not meaningless - are chats on KGS
]
;W[lr]C[GoGoGirl [-\]: who is winning?
]
;B[kr]C[gepay [3k\]: many thing in particle physics probably imaginary like neutrino oscillation
rinkaio [1k\]: w from my pow
wuwei [5k\]: I tried to end the argument, but just dug even deeper
GoGoGirl [-\]: k2
RoadRunner [3d\]: this semeai should decide the game
wsn [4k\]: and a new pro
GodofGo [6d\]: intense
gepay [3k\]: only if Ryan wins  believe
wuwei [5k\]: who dares to say who wins?
svenkramer: looks good for b
elianovici [4d\]: If w was playing l2 and then k3 from the start... wasn't that enough?? his corner was bigger.. in gote.. but now it seems to be dead, right?
Herod [-\]: everybody dares, and half of them will be right
]
;W[ir]C[RoadRunner [3d\]: no. the next pro has already been decided.  just a question of how many games it takes
wsn [4k\]: let w do his mgic
Cynosure [9k\]: OP Score Estimate says White wins. Obvi, duh.
rinkaio [1k\]: h5
rinkaio [1k\]: game over for b
wsn [4k\]: what do u think bill? :)
cheerup: myungwang comments b is winning
maher139 [1k\]: if w dies w loses
maher139 [1k\]: if w lives w wins
]
;B[hr]C[spacetime [-\]: How much time left for either side?
cheerup: w will die either j6 or o3 group
maher139 [1k\]: or w wins and captures the l4 group
maher139 [1k\]: we'll see in a few moves
]
;W[jr]C[ZigaS [10k\]: b takes the corner
steffen [1d\]: b has the corner...
liptos [?\]: ooh wut will happen now...
wuwei [5k\]: a ko?
rinkaio [1k\]: They should create the joker rules: once in a game each player can play twice when he decides
Kogokhan [1d\]: h2 looks like misclick
GodofGo [6d\]: complicated game
wuwei [5k\]: k3
maher139 [1k\]: what happens when both players wanna play twice at the same time?
wuwei [5k\]: no
steffen [1d\]: can b aim on the h7 group?
LGildas [2d\]: they can only do it at their turn
hho: and one in a game they can remove one opponent stone
GodofGo [6d\]: does g6 work after h3?
pollux1: to get h7 group b needs to get h3 or h4 in sente
rinkaio [1k\]: the first who wanted play twice
LGildas [2d\]: yeah, h3 + g6 looks sensible
maher139 [1k\]: after h3 g6 should work i think
CieCie [1d\]: no white still lives
Veivi [5d\]: b cant let w l1 in sente
Warfreak2 [4d\]: if h3 then k3 just works directly
Veivi [5d\]: thats the problem
]
;B[js]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: k1!
liptos [?\]: wasn't expecting that
]
;W[is]C[leonas [2d\]: w lives?
pollux1: black uses threat of h4
GoGoGirl [-\]: yes
maher139 [1k\]: looks like b gets all sorts of screwed up
Warfreak2 [4d\]: w lives locally though
]
;B[jq]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: m1 atari is enough for two eyes
leonas [2d\]: seems so 
rinkaio [1k\]: w should play m1 instead of j1
pollux1: another ko
leonas [2d\]: yep
]
;W[ks]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: good ko for w tho
liptos [?\]: ko-razy
]
;B[iq]C[wuwei [5k\]: it is a ko
]
;W[kq]C[CieCie [1d\]: yeah but black can capture k7 now
CieCie [1d\]: g6
Warfreak2 [4d\]: g6 h5 
Kogokhan [1d\]: so b has h5 as a ko threat maybe
rinkaio [1k\]: h5
GoGoGirl [-\]: W winning
leonas [2d\]: g6 small?
GoGoGirl [-\]: game over
maher139 [1k\]: g6 doesn't work right now
]
;B[go]C[leonas [2d\]: even if it works isnt it small
maher139 [1k\]: if it works w dies at k6
maher139 [1k\]: lol
GoGoGirl [-\]: h3
doubletree [1d\]: b is still behind with w's j8 group dead
leonas [2d\]: i know 
steffen [1d\]: g5 better than g6, we will never be pro's
leonas [2d\]: but b still behind?
GoGoGirl [-\]: H3
psygo [3k\]: myung said white could live if b g5
rinkaio [1k\]: that is a fake ko, b can not win 
Muttley [2k\]: tk4 first
MrFofi [3d\]: h5
rinkaio [1k\]: if w connect it is the end
]
;W[ho]
;B[gp]C[maher139 [1k\]: i think this is the end
]
;W[gm]C[psygo [3k\]: there you have it
Surrounded [1d\]: alive or connected
LGildas [2d\]: but ko
Illyria [?\]: well, the ko is still there
doubletree [1d\]: Isn't w going for the kill?
CieCie [1d\]: well yeah
maher139 [1k\]: he can't die if he wants to kill
CieCie [1d\]: kill = certain win
doubletree [1d\]: w's h7 group lives and then wins the capturing race?
]
;B[fq]C[rinkaio [1k\]: kill is not certain win, if it is killed, b will do all in
liptos [?\]: f3 wut
LGildas [2d\]: i think even if B wins the ko it's hard to find enough libs to win the race
GoGoGirl [-\]: F3 is misclick
RoadRunner [3d\]: threatens corner while protecting against push
LGildas [2d\]: so B is looking for libs for the J3 group
maher139 [1k\]: f3 is clefer
Mirth [2d\]: f3 is not misclick
maher139 [1k\]: clever*
USGO1 [-\]: not missclick...
RoadRunner [3d\]: f7 e2 miai now
Borachon [3k\]: those libs only matter if he wins the go
Borachon [3k\]: *ko
wuwei [5k\]: it's a misterclick, not a missclick :)
nhanh [2d\]: how much time is left for the players?
liptos [?\]: a masterclick?
maher139 [1k\]: ryan, might as well be infinite; he never runs out
Malingo [3d\]: w can e4
maher139 [1k\]: eric prolly close to byo yomi now?
nhanh [2d\]: ko is hard to win for b
USGO1 [-\]: b:5 , w:25
nhanh [2d\]: ty
]
;W[kr]C[steffen [1d\]: miss click missed the last miss contest? or so...
Muttley [2k\]: ko is hard to win when opponent connects
GoGoGirl [-\]: w has more than 25 pts
maher139 [1k\]: w says, I have enough
Grunman [10k\]: but can lose some
wuwei [5k\]: f7
DrStraw [-\]: if the threat is big enough you have won it if he connects
Grunman [10k\]: dangerous timing
croc [4d\]: if Ryan wins this game, he will be pro?
fanfre [4k\]: b cannot kill
USGO4 [-\]: time: w 23 b 4 minutes
GoGoGirl [-\]: no
liptos [?\]: Ryan Li is Li-ding, Eric Lui is Lu-sing
maher139 [1k\]: clever
liptos [?\]: ty ty
fanfre [4k\]: can b live ?
wuwei [5k\]: an you are No Fun Yi
wsn [4k\]: w has p7 to follow?
steffen [1d\]: w = Lee Ding
nflow [5d\]: what happens next if Ryan wins?
CieCie [1d\]: l9 is alive 
jusatck [5d\]: n10 is nice
GoGoGirl [-\]: N10 is faulsuji
liptos [?\]: Ryan win = Ryan pro
pollux1: b e2
ZigaS [10k\]: i would play e2
]
;B[fn]
;W[fl]C[wsn [4k\]: without thinking?
steffen [1d\]: as b center is not really alive and not really connected, he needs some magic
wsn [4k\]: so fast
wuwei [5k\]: I never think
CieCie [1d\]: thats great ziga but you arent playing to be a pro
]
;B[gk]
;W[fm]C[CieCie [1d\]: Blacks center is alive
KGS [3d?\]: so rude
pollux1: no magic: center is *either* alive or connected
liptos [?\]: actually, is b ok here?
liptos [?\]: he looks ok....
wsn [4k\]: alive?
smajdalf [1d\]: and what about b lower side?...seems in troubles
Muttley [2k\]: connect or live
fanfre [4k\]: b E5 ?
bert [2d?\]: e7 e9 e6 f9 d10 f11 
]
;B[em]
;W[ek]
;B[en]
;W[fk]C[fanfre [4k\]: E4
wsn [4k\]: d10 g6 f5 j5 
mkeller [1d\]: Dem tesujis
KGS [3d?\]: ahaha
maher139 [1k\]: deng
]
;B[dj]C[maher139 [1k\]: that's epic
Gogo [9k\]: missreading from w?
]
;W[fi]C[nflow [5d\]: d10 !!
gogonuts [4d\]: w wins
maher139 [1k\]: misreading from b
fanfre [4k\]: loulol
jusatck [5d\]: huh
maher139 [1k\]: looks like gg
maher139 [1k\]: b dead at top
gogonuts [4d\]: painful lib shortage
wsn [4k\]: oh man
Quinn [3k\]: well, that's all folks
maher139 [1k\]: wow 
TuLy [3k\]: W+R
eleven21: oiotoshi
maher139 [1k\]: GG b resigns
KGS [3d?\]: great resign sequence
jusatck [5d\]: congratz crazywind
USGO1 [-\]: b 40/4
maher139 [1k\]: i was wtf w died!
maher139 [1k\]: then i saw the lib shortage
wsn [4k\]: such a fancy sequence
maher139 [1k\]: well played ryan, well played
liptos [?\]: doooomed
justhinkin [2k\]: is Ryan pro now?
USGO1 [-\]: b 40/3
Warfreak2 [4d\]: b has not resigned
U [?\]: if b resigns he will be
mkeller [1d\]: Almost
U [?\]: game isnt over yet
fanfre [4k\]: good seq to turn pro with
smajdalf [1d\]: w is 3 periods from pro :-)
indianayk [5d?\]: gg. thanks to USGO1
ThiGar [4k\]: thx usgo1
Grunman [10k\]: e13
maher139 [1k\]: b hasn't resigned yet, but he will in a bit
USGO1 [-\]: b 40/2
U [?\]: everyone making assumptions that its over yet
killmejk [4k\]: black cant e13?
TuLy [3k\]: hehe
Warfreak2 [4d\]: he can, but b loses 7 stones
maher139 [1k\]: e13 f10 then e12 g14 miai
Borachon [3k\]: e13/f10
Illyria [?\]: e13 loses the tail and w is alive
Illyria [?\]: in sente
mkeller [1d\]: Amazing tournament
bert [2d?\]: usgo couldn't invent such a game by himself, tho
Warfreak2 [4d\]: not in sente
wsn [4k\]: such a great ending
maher139 [1k\]: w isn't alive at bottom yet though
maher139 [1k\]: b*
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;B[er]C[KGS [3d?\]: ..
killmejk [4k\]: :o
moyoaji [2k?\]: He's fighting to the end
]
;W[fj]C[moyoaji [2k?\]: He has to
maher139 [1k\]: lol
maher139 [1k\]: now it's gg
wsn [4k\]: never resign!
liptos [?\]: ?????
killmejk [4k\]: ;(
killmejk [4k\]: damn u ryan
nflow [5d\]: so many things dead
maher139 [1k\]: b dead hard core now
CieCie [1d\]: what
mkeller [1d\]: Wow
]
;B[bl]C[liptos [?\]: super RES
Doge [6d\]: such tenacity
TuLy [3k\]: uff .. try hard
Vinicius [1d\]: o.o
CieCie [1d\]: WHAT
killmejk [4k\]: kill all corner
TuLy [3k\]: impossible
x0000 [-\]: why didn't b e13 first?!
Quinn [3k\]: I can't believe the game is going to continue!
justhinkin [2k\]: respect
CieCie [1d\]: o.o
Javaness [2d\]: give him pro
KGS [3d?\]: a ponnuki is worth 50 points!
Grunman [10k\]: another turn=)
nflow [5d\]: even if w let d11 lives, w still wins big
maher139 [1k\]: b7 c8 c7 b9 c3 w has more then enough
TuLy [3k\]: respect or no respect? o.O
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;W[ep]C[U [?\]: b loses the whole thing if he resigns so hes going to try everything he can
nflow [5d\]: w just need lower left to not die.
rinkaio [1k\]: imagine w wins and after he wins 2 other games :p
Malingo [3d\]: w evil
Quinn [3k\]: USGO1, what are the clock times?
rinkaio [1k\]: b I meant
USGO4 [-\]: 40/2
]
;B[cr]
;W[cq]C[Quinn [3k\]: thx
cheerup: b has to try to kill the left side to win
r0n1n [4k\]: for both?
liptos [?\]: tall order for b....
Warfreak2 [4d\]: exciting times
maher139 [1k\]: w has like 20 mins ish left
cheerup: but its hard
USGO4 [-\]: no; w has more than 5m i think
maher139 [1k\]: b is in byo yomi
ilwwamh [1k\]: what is exciting
r0n1n [4k\]: ok
Warfreak2 [4d\]: b trying to kill
MrFofi [3d\]: is normal d6 became sente
Grunman [10k\]: it's so hard psychology
TuLy [3k\]: I think, w+t as in the last game ...
steffen [1d\]: if you are in byoyomi, you just need to utilize the opponent's time to think about your moves :)
U [?\]: ryan has in his kgs profile "amateur ftw" after last years result. well....
rinkaio [1k\]: b cannot resing and it is understandable
ThiGar [4k\]: with w e13, black can still connect on the side
cheerup: b has A16 ko, not losing yet
Borachon [3k\]: there's no real ko there
maher139 [1k\]: err w is alive in double ko there?
USGO1 [-\]: black has resigned
U [?\]: there it is
Warfreak2 [4d\]: well done ryan
fanfre [4k\]: gg thx
ullsif [-\]: Congrats Ryan
gogonuts [4d\]: thx
xedover [?\]: thanks usgo1
gogonuts [4d\]: congrats
maher139 [1k\]: congrats ryan!
rinkaio [1k\]: clap clap
moyoaji [2k?\]: gg Well played
USGO1 [-\]: Ryan Li is the newest AGA pro
rinkaio [1k\]: thanks usgo1
GodofGo [6d\]: gg
USGO1 [-\]: thanks for watching
maher139 [1k\]: excellent way to start your pro career!
Illyria [?\]: thanks usgo1
USGO1 [-\]: special thanks to mark lee for recording
USGO1 [-\]: and to myungwan kim for the commentary
r0n1n [4k\]: thanks a lot usgo
maher139 [1k\]: thanks usgo!
TuLy [3k\]: wow
Muttley [2k\]: Thanks to AGA for an excellent event and relay
r0n1n [4k\]: and congrats to ryan li
USGO1 [-\]: and of course kgs for hosting all week
Alife361 [?\]: ty
NiceGoAuth [-\]: thx
Muttley [2k\]: game still being discussed in D
maher139 [1k\]: so much devastation on this board
rinkaio [1k\]: A new pro is born
USGO1 [-\]: shout out to TD Jeff Shavel
MusicQi [-\]: tyvm
alias [6k\]: thx
U [?\]: still more games. usgo2 has the bo5 for the final seed to get into next years pro tourney
indianayk [5d?\]: THANK YOU, JEFF
Quinn [3k\]: work, Yea Jeff Shavel!
U [?\]: eric also gets a entry into next years pro tourney
USGO1 [-\]: yes that's correct
U [?\]: and usgo3 has the bo5 for the 5th place match
indianayk [5d?\]: who is the seeded player?
USGO1 [-\]: it'll be on the pro tourney page and we'll have a full report in tmw's EJ
U [?\]: eric finish 2nd in the tourney so he gets auto entry into next years pro tourney. 3rd also gets entry and the bo5 to determine that is in usgo2
indianayk [5d?\]: thx
mmmd [3k\]: but wow only game ryan lost, he had lost by 0.5 points ? ^^
killmejk [4k\]: ugh canada 
r0n1n [4k\]: yeah he was losing by 0,5
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