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RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[5400]OT[5x40 byo-yomi]
GN[US Pro Qualification Championship Final Round 2]PW[Ryan Li]PB[Eric Lui]WR[7d]BR[7d]DT[2015-01-09]EV[US Pro Qualification Championship Final Round 2]RO[2]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Chris Garlock]RE[W+Time]
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;B[cj]C[USGO1 [-\]: good morning!
Brian [1d\]: good morning
zampa [3k\]: good afternoon!
USGO1 [-\]: Chris Garlock here, with game 2 of the final; Ryan won the first game in the round robin earlier this week
USGO1 [-\]: this is now a best-of-5 match for the championship
USGO1 [-\]: results here http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-results-2014#results
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;W[jd]C[darkronin [3k\]: Who is white?
Hofobbefes [1d\]: li
darkronin [3k\]: Thanks
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;B[nq]C[CaesarJMD [-\]: best of 5 means that you have to win 3 games?
USGO1 [-\]: right
Koons [1k\]: hiya Chris, whle the game heats up, can you give us some background on both players?
Koons [1k\]: age etc...?
Bahamut [2k\]: what about if 4 jigo's and a win? does this still qualify as best of 5?
sedgwick [5d?\]: Modern go doesn't have Jigo:)
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;W[qn]C[Nyanjilla [-\]: anyone who can organise 4 jigos in a row would be pro automatically
zampa [3k\]: lets hope for four game with a quadruple ko.
Bahamut [2k\]: :)
Nyanjilla [-\]: same
Ootakamoku [2d\]: sedwick, unfortunately in many rulesets there are still tripple ko and eternal life
Koons [1k\]: Ootak, both those are replayed, not jigo, right?
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;B[jp]C[Koons [1k\]: considered a non-result?
Polama [4k\]: AGA has a superko rule
Ootakamoku [2d\]: depends on the judge and rules?
USGO1 [-\]: Ryan Li is maybe 18 or 19, Eric is early 20s
Polama [4k\]: so I don't think the quadruple ko thing is an issue. There's a rule for who has to stop playing it first
darkronin [3k\]: White power calm :D
Ootakamoku [2d\]: what is answer to d15?
Koons [1k\]: have either won tournies before?
will122166 [1d\]: not this one.
smajdalf [1d\]: this is best of 5 match?
will122166 [1d\]: yes
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;W[do]C[darkronin [3k\]: I would panic so hard at this huge framework b is building
kostuek [?\]: mojo judging games are hard for the kibitzer
will122166 [1d\]: wow, bold move
base [-\]: I like black's fuseki
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;B[co]C[USGO1 [-\]: not sure about Ryan but Eric has won MD Open
will122166 [1d\]: usually you never one space approach the kobayashi.
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;W[cn]C[sedgwick [5d?\]: OK, if you count Jigo through triple ko, then yes, but usually that means the game is to be repeated
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;B[cp]
;W[de]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: will, doesnt apply when u already have pincer stone like c10 in place
sedgwick [5d?\]: Ryan won the 2014 Canadian open
Ootakamoku [2d\]: then 1 space approach becomes normal again
ThiGar [4k\]: Superko is just a fancy name for the first and most basic go rule part of all rulesets: "No full board position can be repeated at any time in the rest of the game"
sedgwick [5d?\]: And I think he was the top placing amateur at the US Go congress this summer
Koons [1k\]: thanks, Chris.  Brady here, btw
pwnnuki [1d\]: pretty sure AGA rules are situational superko not positional
Ootakamoku [2d\]: pwnnuki, and that makes much difference?
ThiGar [4k\]: no
pwnnuki [1d\]: I don't know what you count as "much". But it is a difference.
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;B[fc]C[Polama [4k\]: it can change who has to stop playing a triple ko first
Ootakamoku [2d\]: e10 and seal the left side
Koons [1k\]: easier said than done?
Koons [1k\]: not handi go :)
kostuek [?\]: why japanese rules are used btw? i thought aga rules were pretty good
Ootakamoku [2d\]: aga rules are the best
ThiGar [4k\]: a triple ko stops when an identical position is reached again. Which means the player involed cannot ply the move again. We are too blinded by the easy situation of a simple ko.
kostuek [?\]: oh, wait, "japanese style counting". nevermind
Polama [4k\]: it depends on ruleset though. In japanese rules they void triple ko games if neither will back down
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;W[ej]C[Koons [1k\]: Ootakamoku was right
Bauer [1k\]: wow
Koons [1k\]: now i bet black will win :)
ThiGar [4k\]: how can they void triple go when the player HAS to play elsewhere?
svenkramer: only the 1st half of his statement
hidoisan: very high game for white
Hofobbefes [1d\]: playing like w in such an inportant game is very apreciable
mafutrct [2d?\]: pardon me, how many board are there? more than 4?
will122166 [1d\]: 3
mafutrct [2d?\]: only 3? ok
Ootakamoku [2d\]: only 3 left
Ootakamoku [2d\]: tomorrow only 1
mafutrct [2d?\]: oh, it is elimination
vdust [-\]: 2 board, + 1 for 5th place
Hofobbefes [1d\]: tomorrow last game of the bo5?
Polama [4k\]: @ThiGar: Superko is a modern addition. Previously the rule was that you couldn't immediately recreate a board position. It was actually considered bad luck when it happened. In general we use one form of superko or another now
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;B[dn]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: except in practice, if you create a tripple ko, judge will void the game
MaLa [5d?\]: who are "we"
xedover [?\]: best of 5 games, means at most 5 games will be played... at minimum, only 3 games... this is game 2
atun [5k\]: is this "live" ?
MaLa [5d?\]: because even in china triplekos games will get voided+repeated
Ootakamoku [2d\]: atun, yes
USGO1 [-\]: yes, this is being played live at the nantasket beach resort in hull, ma
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;W[ck]C[atun [5k\]: thank you
Bahamut [2k\]: Full board seki, will this be voided too?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: bahamut, no reason to, there is komi
Bahamut [2k\]: right ty
ThiGar [4k\]: Paloma, "immediately" is simple ko. But the rule holds also for any future position. Tere are many shapes, not involving a triple ko, when that possibility exists 3 or 4 moves ahead.
Bauer [1k\]: w has a beautifull style
Lead210 [2k\]: What's about four in the corner in AGA Rules?
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;B[cm]C[mafutrct [2d?\]: bent four is played out, no?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: lead210, most of the time, its the same as japanese rules, because of pass stone, almost all ko threats can be removed without penalty
mafutrct [2d?\]: and in case of a not removable ko? :)
Hofobbefes [1d\]: very hard for me to judge b bottom
Hofobbefes [1d\]: is k4 ideal place? or l4 would have been better?
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;W[ci]C[Brian [1d\]: ootakamoku, does this mean it just differs with non-removable ko threats?
zampa [3k\]: i like k4, kobayashi!
mafutrct [2d?\]: if L4, w can certainly J5 or even deeper
darkronin [3k\]: Yay for w!
ThiGar [4k\]: I can understand that some cultures may take bad luck into account and set the rules accordingly (no result, draw, etc), but I don't think bad luck is mentionned in ammerican rules.
Ootakamoku [2d\]: brian, some other unsuaul situations too, such as multiple interdependant sekis, can sometimes make a difference too
ThiGar [4k\]: *american
Koons [1k\]: doesn't d9 wo0rk ok?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: d9 for whom?
Koons [1k\]: b now
Ootakamoku [2d\]: b posoition already very strong, why remove w aji?
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;B[ce]C[Koons [1k\]: i see
Koons [1k\]: so just take more money :)
sedgwick [5d?\]: c15 very big, but r14 or so more urgent?
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;W[cf]
;B[cd]C[sedgwick [5d?\]: Seems certain w will tenuki now...
Ootakamoku [2d\]: r14 does look natural
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;W[lq]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: m3 suprising, sure w has both ladders but still
Ootakamoku [2d\]: its not like b could seal it all anyways
Hofobbefes [1d\]: this why I thought about l4
Hofobbefes [1d\]: m3 let w control b thickness imo
bfm [-\]: k3 
Ootakamoku [2d\]: will be suprised if b plays anything but m4
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;W[kp]
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;W[ko]C[Eyeandeye [2d?\]: oreo good move
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;B[lr]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: some scary ladder breaker prepared?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: d9 breaks?
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;W[jq]
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;W[kr]C[Koons [1k\]: hmm, i thought black didn't play underneath unless ladders were good?
USGO1 [-\]: ryan called this "the most important game of my life" when he walked in the room this morning
Ootakamoku [2d\]: koons, thats the rule of thumb
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;B[pq]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: w has zero threats
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;B[qq]C[Hofobbefes [1d\]: w is abviusly the devil
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;W[qe]C[sedgwick [5d?\]: The next big game is always the most important one :)
USGO2 [-\]: USGO1 i think he said "one of"
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;B[ql]C[mattw0520 [2k?\]: usgo2 obviously doesn't know how to tell a good story
Ootakamoku [2d\]: how crazy would a pincer like r11 be here?
tbundle [3d?\]: not very
oonicks [?\]: i would like to see it in a slow game:)
mattw0520 [2k?\]: r6 seems pretty weak to attack with
USGO1 [-\]: he also dropped and did 10 push-ups just before taking his seat
tbundle [3d?\]: might as well go to r10 though
Nyanjilla [-\]: heheh
doogly [7k\]: I would r10 so hopefully he has something better up his sleave.
ThiGar [4k\]: no kddin usgo1?
USGO2 [-\]: no lie, i saw him too
mattw0520 [2k?\]: now you're learning
CBlue [?\]: watch the new korean Go movie "The Divine Move" \\o/ (released in 2014)!
CBlue [?\]: english subtitles are available^^
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;W[qj]C[humblelife [-\]: that movie needs a content warning
Koons [1k\]: not on itunes :(
oonicks [?\]: jay
ThiGar [4k\]: By the way, is the Go Seigen biopic available in dvd?
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;B[ol]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: reason I donrt like the close r10 pincer is that now b has good move at p10
oonicks [?\]: if it is space it is so easy for b to get thick?
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;W[op]C[USGO1 [-\]: hesitated a moment then played
Ootakamoku [2d\]: b o6 coule be funny here, but I prefere just p10,
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;B[no]C[CBlue [?\]: could w exchange p3 and o2 maybe to play o6?
CBlue [?\]: or just s8 simple way?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: definately planning on using the p3 push and cut aji, but looks like w short on liberties
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;W[on]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: after this exchange w s8 works much better
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;B[mn]C[USGO1 [-\]: age update: ryan's 21 and eric's 26 (tx usgo2!) 
oonicks [?\]: tks
mattw0520 [2k?\]: update? did one of them just have a birthday?
Koons [1k\]: thanks both
Lead210 [2k\]: what about connecting 2 weak groups? lol
USGO1 [-\]: they were younger at the beginning of the week
humblelife [-\]: i didn't realize this game was so long
mattw0520 [2k?\]: stressful tournament, eh?
Lead210 [2k\]: for me N5 works
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;W[mo]C[xedover [?\]: haha
mafutrct [2d?\]: n5 seems better than m6
mafutrct [2d?\]: b could still try o4 now though
Lead210 [2k\]: w connecting  either making moyo
mafutrct [2d?\]: o4 m5 n7 good for b but o4 n7 m6 m5 ...
mafutrct [2d?\]: ladder works for w
seishiro [2k\]: so if ryan win he becomes a professional, if eric win then theres going to be one more match? 
Hannoskaj [?\]: ryan needs two wins, eric three.
served [3d\]: this is best of 5
seishiro [2k\]: ah 
mafutrct [2d?\]: what about b N7 now?
USGO3 [-\]: All three matches are now best of five, with the round robin result between the players as the first game of the five.
mafutrct [2d?\]: N7 seems like the vital point for both
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;B[lo]
;W[ln]C[acuflow [4d\]: why are they playing for 3rd to 8th seeds?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: is this the final then? best of 5?
seishiro [2k\]: yeah
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;B[mp]
;W[mm]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: w threattens ko/cut in corner?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: w r5*
seishiro [2k\]: hmm
USGO1 [-\]: update on Eric: he won the Maryland Open 3 times; He also won the Redmond cup for so many years in a row that they retired him from the competition to give someone else a chance
mafutrct [2d?\]: oota, looks like a threatened ko
USGO1 [-\]: And in 2011 he finished 3rd in the WAGC, ahead of Japan, the best finish by the US and tied for the best finish by a Western player.
USGO1 [-\]: (thanks to Keith Arnold)
sedgwick [5d?\]: Ryan is supposed to be this years Canadian WAGC rep
sedgwick [5d?\]: BUt I guess that is up in the air now:)
Hofobbefes [1d\]: one should wonder why he didn't turn pro years before
Ootakamoku [2d\]: same reason roln didnt?
zampa [3k\]: and why didnt roln?
Koons [1k\]: thanks Chris and Keith for the info
Ootakamoku [2d\]: I dont know
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;B[pj]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: b planning on creating ko threats?
Koons [1k\]: maybe he didn't have time to be a good pro even if he won, due to school or work or whatever, so he left it for others
mafutrct [2d?\]: maybe just leave it, white is not connectable easily anyway
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;W[qi]C[mattw0520 [2k?\]: strengthening r8 to start ko
mafutrct [2d?\]: later b can cut anywhere
seishiro [2k\]: building up the ko i see 
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;B[pi]C[mafutrct [2d?\]: if w gets cut, S8?
mafutrct [2d?\]: so black would be happy if w plays something like r9 q8 
Ootakamoku [2d\]: the cut does affect the other white group too tho
wikipwnia [3k\]: what is eric lui's kgs screen name?
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;W[nl]C[mafutrct [2d?\]: oota, i thought w cannot connect in 1 move anyway, so doesnt matter too much
mafutrct [2d?\]: compendium ?
ofbusy [3d\]: strangely its what i would have played
wikipwnia [3k\]: am i crazy to think r12 is the move here
wikipwnia [3k\]: its probably horrible
bigfry [3d\]: its a possible move
bigfry [3d\]: very risky tho
mafutrct [2d?\]: r12 at least 2d move
mattw0520 [2k?\]: r12 is a good move. not sure if the timing is right, though
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;B[qd]C[Koons [1k\]: who bet on r16?
ThiGar [4k\]: what?!
mafutrct [2d?\]: q16 or s16 ?
mattw0520 [2k?\]: b is aiming a r12
r0n1n [4k\]: boyaaaaaaaah7
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;W[pd]C[mafutrct [2d?\]: something like q16 r14 s15 r12 would help b, because w s12 is weaker
ThiGar [4k\]: Is r16 a sacrifice to help attack r11?
mafutrct [2d?\]: definitely yes
ThiGar [4k\]: that's bold! 
Ootakamoku [2d\]: wonder if b tenukies now
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;B[qh]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: :)
mafutrct [2d?\]: tenuki, w q12, isnt that bad shape for b?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: I meant tenuki from topright, r16 was just a probe
snowman [-\]: black needs to strengthen this group
mafutrct [2d?\]: oh ,yeah
mafutrct [2d?\]: s12 s13 s11 r14 is more useful for b now
Koons [1k\]: That's a bold strategy Cotton, let's see if it pays off
mafutrct [2d?\]: so w won't like to hane there
ThiGar [4k\]: never saw this move before: in the middle of the shimari!
mafutrct [2d?\]: its usually played to see if w replies q16 or s16
mafutrct [2d?\]: or if b is very strong around, because then it lives locally
Ootakamoku [2d\]: thigar, its normally used when b has supper stones on both sides of shimari, then you can pretty much live with r16
ThiGar [4k\]: ah, ok
Ootakamoku [2d\]: support*
snowman [-\]: :)
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;W[qk]C[estanall [5k\]: thigar: it's one of three standard probes on the enclosure (along with q18 and p17)
Ootakamoku [2d\]: w shape works, but doesnt make it less ugly
mafutrct [2d?\]: now that w has o8 in, she can r9, i guess
ThiGar [4k\]: thx everyone
Ootakamoku [2d\]: lots of liberties, cant read what happens from q8
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;B[qf]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: pretty sure this makes b q8 even more viable
mafutrct [2d?\]: agree
psygo [3k\]: just entered the room, the game looks pretty dire for white, huh?
mafutrct [2d?\]: i'd say it's even but very complicated
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;W[rl]C[humblelife [-\]: is s15 b's best follow-up?
snowman [-\]: black is going to have all four corners...
mafutrct [2d?\]: i think q15 is better
mafutrct [2d?\]: now that w is connected, dont need to save the Q11 stones
mafutrct [2d?\]: though it feels like w got too much here
mafutrct [2d?\]: this is points AND life
Ootakamoku [2d\]: q15 leads to silly unplayable ko?
Hofobbefes [1d\]: b almost floating
ThiGar [4k\]: sure, to think when r6 was lone stone
Ootakamoku [2d\]: tho I Guess q15 and just take outside shape is nice
Ootakamoku [2d\]: then attack l16 later
mafutrct [2d?\]: oota, it is not a ko, is it?
mafutrct [2d?\]: actually, huh
mafutrct [2d?\]: q15 does not even work??
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;W[re]C[mafutrct [2d?\]: i wonder what b is going to play
Ootakamoku [2d\]: works justy fine for taking outside shape
Ootakamoku [2d\]: its good for that I think
mafutrct [2d?\]: so you don't want to get local life?
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;B[oe]
;W[rd]C[mafutrct [2d?\]: ah
mafutrct [2d?\]: isnt this really a bit better for w?
fghfgh: depends how nicely you can attack k16
snowman [-\]: yes or no
ThiGar [4k\]: at least avoids 4 corners
oonicks [?\]: no
humblelife [-\]: well b still leads on cash. hard to tell
OneStone [6d\]: p16 p17 o17 o18 n18 is possible?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: ok, since I cant decide if this is better for w after thinking about it for a minute, Ill just say it looks even
Koons [1k\]: funny, i feel that white crushed the bottom, lived easily on the right, and saved upper right. so three successes, but he doesn't feel ahead to me
Hofobbefes [1d\]: I do prefer w now
tbundle [4d?\]: looks like a long game
humblelife [-\]: i feel the same way
darkronin [3k\]: At least w has a corner now
ThiGar [4k\]: k16 vulnerable, but w could cash big in center
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;B[nd]C[ofbusy [3d\]: b s left side corners are quite huge ...
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;W[og]C[OneStone [6d\]: o16 is shaky
OneStone [6d\]: o16 at p16 p17 o17 o18 n18 is what B should want to play.
Ootakamoku [2d\]: would so be tempted to resist this
Starstorm3 [4d\]: ah but if W responds to P16 at O18?
Starstorm3 [4d\]: not good enough for him?
Violence [1d\]: I dunno what to play here...
mafutrct [2d?\]: s14 sente, nothing more?
bigfry [3d\]: OneStone- n18? why?
OneStone [6d\]: q13 p12 q12 is kinda passive, but itcan't be helped.
oonicks [?\]: m16 good enough?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: b n13?
Hofobbefes [1d\]: o16 was my first choice but I rejected for p13,and for being aji keshi... I wonder about b thoughs
snowman [-\]: the cut seems to severe
snowman [-\]: too
Capa21 [11k\]: Looks like aiming to cut p12 or p14
bert [2d?\]: o13 i'd say
jwc [-\]: o12?
oonicks [?\]: q13?
mafutrct [2d?\]: i dont think b would ever play q13
ofbusy [3d\]: dont know if there is something else 
mafutrct [2d?\]: what about O12 ?
Lead210 [2k\]: q13 will be terrible for b
Liso66 [?\]: usgo - best westerner's result on WAGC was probably Schlemper's in 1991 see http://kamyszyn.go.art.pl/wagc#TOC-13th-1991 
jwc [-\]: .o12 captues p13?
Lead210 [2k\]: looking forward to some beatiful solution
mafutrct [2d?\]: i think it would
kostuek [?\]: p12? goes around at least
oonicks [?\]: q12 also works i think
Bahamut [2k\]: what would Bill Lin do?
Capa21 [11k\]: Meant q. 
mafutrct [2d?\]: q12 leaves q14 though, and w got black into strange shape
Timk [1d\]: only q13 connect both groups ?
Hofobbefes [1d\]: q13 is not that bad after all
mafutrct [2d?\]: o12 o13 n13 n14 ...
Ootakamoku [2d\]: q13 more in the ugly than bad category, but I dont like ugly
Lead210 [2k\]: maybe some frosing moves before Q13? otherwise W get too much in sente
oonicks [?\]: p13 rather a target after p12
Lead210 [2k\]: *forsing
oonicks [?\]: sorry after q12
Hofobbefes [1d\]: the good the bad and the ugly
awesome [3k\]: q13 looks so nautral it has to be bad
oonicks [?\]: byt if w o13 b need another move so q13 bettr
Violence [1d\]: this move is really annoying
mafutrct [2d?\]: no comments on o12? :(
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;B[nh]C[mafutrct [2d?\]: yay
Ootakamoku [2d\]: o12 nightmare to read
awesome [3k\]: haha
jwc [-\]: !
Hofobbefes [1d\]: Freddie's move
USGO1 [-\]: ryan's head drops low over the board, reading intently
ThiGar [4k\]: n13 o13 n12 to start wall?
jwc [-\]: o14
Ootakamoku [2d\]: so what crazy stuff happens from w o14?
jwc [-\]: w ponnuki?
sedgwick [5d?\]: o13 feels like the natural move for w
oonicks [?\]: o13 i think
Ootakamoku [2d\]: I dont consider ponnuki a result
Ootakamoku [2d\]: its like saying w p3 leads to killing the corner?
CaesarJMD [-\]: w behind?
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;W[ng]C[just9x9 [-\]: q12 p12 q13 r13 o13 n13 n12 o14 o11 q9 p10 p9 o10 n10 o11 o9 o11 m11 w captures
just9x9 [-\]: oh forget it, other line played
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;B[mg]C[ThiGar [4k\]: Oota, like your literary style (like the way you suggested r11, prviously)
just9x9 [-\]: and 011 can be m12 :(
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;W[mf]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: I thought I read this line, and couldnt find anything good for w
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;B[nf]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: w n15 
cbc [?\]: Wow.  I wonder which is correct in his reading.
Violence [1d\]: This doesn't look like something
Ootakamoku [2d\]: n15 o15 n12 m13 p12 o11 p11 p10 m12.. sort of naive read but..
Violence [1d\]: either of them can walk away  from
jwc [-\]: n15 p14?
Violence [1d\]: Is this a decisive moment?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: jwc, ya, just that b cant answer n15 with o15, which I guess is something
TurtleDove [2k?\]: depends what they want from this
Ootakamoku [2d\]: atleast its the most I cant find sofar from this position
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;W[pg]C[goBum [?\]: oh these guys again
goBum [?\]: i was just looking at ryan vs eric where he won by 7.5
awesome [3k\]: like we get to see these guys play every day
tbundle [4d?\]: yeah, q13 seemed like the only move that had the possibility of doing something
mkeller [1d\]: OK, what happened here?!
Ootakamoku [2d\]: feel sort of stupid, after seeing more and more of the sequence, and I still cant find anything that works, yet w keeps adding moves
bert [2d?\]: it works alright
Violence [1d\]: I also have no idea what white expects to accomplish
goBum [?\]: just connect now right?
]
;B[lg]C[Hofobbefes [1d\]: maybe in the end w will feel sillier than you oota
mmmd [3k\]: big eye ... now kill everything ;))
goBum [?\]: meh
bbio [5k\]: go ryan gooo
just9x9 [-\]: bluffing each other :)
mmmd [3k\]: i know a bad joke
Hannoskaj [?\]: goBum; on connect you would have n12 m13 o11  p12 q12.
goBum [?\]: surround k16!
Eowyn [1d\]: W's to do list:         Manage to give b more influence: Check
awesome [3k\]: r13 now?
tbundle [4d?\]: hannoskaj, that doesn't capture black
wsn [3k\]: too naive, too simple :)
tbundle [4d?\]: the ladder doesn't work
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;W[qg]C[Hannoskaj [?\]: right, sorry.
jwc [-\]: now b is cut in 2 groups?
mafutrct [2d?\]: M15 only move?
pwnnuki [1d\]: I don't understand what ghosts b saw to play m13 
mkeller [1d\]: is my java weird, or did something odd happened on the right side?
goBum [?\]: what is L3 group doin
ThiGar [4k\]: hold up on the right side
pwnnuki [1d\]: chillin'
alias [6k\]: crossing the board
Ootakamoku [2d\]: b s13 first, read later
Eowyn [1d\]: b just thought maybe controlling the center and attack k16 is a better idea
goBum [?\]: that's what i thought too ^^
Capa21 [11k\]: S13 dies
tbundle [4d?\]: if black played r13 i guess white p11 might get out
USGO1 [-\]: time: w 46, b 34m
mafutrct [2d?\]: if b r13p11 p12 n12 m13 q12 works for w
Pempu [3d\]: reading variations is so hard :/ why don't we use servers with variation sharing?
mafutrct [2d?\]: and p12 at o11, w just P10
goBum [?\]: ikr
]
;B[rf]C[mafutrct [2d?\]: so b r13 was impossible
psygo [3k\]: reading the variations is easier than typing them from memory
mkeller [1d\]: mkay, I have w stones all along the T line...
psygo [3k\]: i seriously dont know how you keep doing it in the chat lol
Pempu [3d\]: psygo what do you mean typing from memory?
xedover [?\]: click on the board
sedgwick [5d?\]: b need to capture n14 stone somehow soon
Pempu [3d\]: CTRL-left click on the board
mkeller [1d\]: that's what you get for updating Java...
goBum [?\]: no need to type it in just click
jwc [-\]: if b r14 p11 then o11?
sedgwick [5d?\]: problem is w is left with n12 cut aji
jwc [-\]: b r13
Eowyn [1d\]: KGS chat is like old MS-DOS.. no user friendly
psygo [3k\]: oh i didnt know htat
psygo [3k\]: thx
Ootakamoku [2d\]: writing sequences on android is a real pain, cause you cant see the board when typing.
pwnnuki [1d\]: thank you mafruct good read
psygo [3k\]: that makes things 300% easier
goBum [?\]: but pls refrain from 10+ moves or something like who'll read those
Eowyn [1d\]: But no improvement will be done as WMS (the owner of KGS) even refuses to fix the java bugs.. It works as it is :)
mkeller [1d\]: kaya had nice features for displaying variations...
Pempu [3d\]: psygo on other servers they can share variations so people actually see them on the board or on alternative smaller board
]
;W[me]C[AutoAtari [1k\]: q14, what is w waiting for?
AutoAtari [1k\]: oh
Pempu [3d\]: I'm trying to read. n15  just now
Eowyn [1d\]: Imagine KGS userbase move on to Kaya.. It would rock
mafutrct [2d?\]: when i create a game offer, i cannot see who takes it, or even who gets which color ...
goBum [?\]: w not giving in
kostuek [?\]: kaya is dead
Pempu [3d\]: Eowyn there is no Kaya. It was a flop :)
mkeller [1d\]: whatever happened to the kgs html interface?
goBum [?\]: waddat
mkeller [1d\]: the kaya interface was really nice, just didn't have the user base
psygo [3k\]: i wonder when (if) they will update KGS, like, do they want it to make a 20th birthday or something?
Eowyn [1d\]: I know kaya is dead. It was an utopia... Anyway again not everything is about interface..
psygo [3k\]: this interface could have been written in the 90s
awesome [3k\]: wasn't it?
mafutrct [2d?\]: it was :o
zampa [3k\]: i like kgs for how it is, the korean/japanese clients are so darn ugly
Pempu [3d\]: s13 seems ok for black. White will get top side 
ThiGar [4k\]: someone mentioned way earlier that black was too thin around q10
mkeller [1d\]: kaya had some really good features though
psygo [3k\]: it was ironic lol
awesome [3k\]: ah
wikipwnia [3k\]: b's o16 group seriously in trouble
wikipwnia [3k\]: b is getting hurt
AutoAtari [1k\]: I have plans to make a go server, but need lots of time..
mkeller [1d\]: it'd be nice if those could be incorporated elsewhere
psygo [3k\]: just because others are still ugly, doesnt mean a neat one cant be made
agony [5k\]: what was the purpose of s14?
mkeller [1d\]: indeed psygo
goBum [?\]: i hate igs for -5.5 T.T
awesome [3k\]: I think s14 just reduce right side
mafutrct [2d?\]: 5.5?
alias [6k\]: s13 o15 p14 p16 ?
seig [?\]: ogs is the most modern interface, the community lacking though
mkeller [1d\]: yeah, same problem there
Eowyn [1d\]: Neat one can be done. But the problem is getting the users there.. No easy to have a community
goBum [?\]: -5.5 komi in even game
ThiGar [4k\]: The most efficient way could be to release kgs as open source
mafutrct [2d?\]: how strange
mkeller [1d\]: yeah, I don't know why kgs is closed
agony [5k\]: what is lacking about the ogs community?  
mkeller [1d\]: given that the user base is very tech savy, they could have a stellar interface within weeks
Eowyn [1d\]: Yes But WMS refuses to do that and doesnt give protocols' neither allow it to be done
seig [?\]: i have a harder time hopping on and finding an immediate and well matched game
psygo [3k\]: the way tygem did is a good but difficult one, the good pros made their students play there and then the amateurs felt obliged to follow
AAAAAAAAAA [6d\]: wms takes help from others to develope html client
pwnnuki [1d\]: tygem is buggy crap
awesome [3k\]: 20 years from now we will be here and have the exact same conversation
seig [?\]: on IGS i can be playing a well matched game within seconds of logging in
ThiGar [4k\]: + it would not change anything to the economics of kgs+
indianayk [5d?\]: i would have just played m15 intead of s14
Ootakamoku [2d\]: the practical solution is to dos the competition
Eowyn [1d\]: I agree with you, awesome
DrStraw [-\]: what KGS really needs is a filter on games which cuts out non-game-related  chatter
mkeller [1d\]: tygem is horrible, I wouldn't touch it with a stick if it weren't for the thousands of players..
goBum [?\]: tygem players are easily bored
mkeller [1d\]: that as well
Borachon [3k\]: DrStraw - clone the game :)
mkeller [1d\]: or close the chat window
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;B[md]C[Hofobbefes [1d\]: I honestly love tygem
psygo [3k\]: shenanigem
wsn [3k\]: or sth like 'I don't want to see this id ever'
DrStraw [-\]: that does not remove it from the game record
bert [2d?\]: could you not take this chat to any random room elsewhere?
goBum [?\]: they can't even wait while you're adjusting time settings stuff 
Koons [1k\]: tygem doesn't work with mac, so no good tome
mkeller [1d\]: also possble wsn, just block
RainierBob [?\]: censor approximates a filter -- you can cut out ppl whose noise you don't want
Eowyn [1d\]: Tygem has that DrStraw, Host can filter it. Also KGS has this feature in teaching games so it can be extended here too easily
cbc [?\]: Game
Hofobbefes [1d\]: or you can just become more social
Eowyn [1d\]: If anyone would update KGS
goBum [?\]: later on, black needs to help q11 group
Pempu [3d\]: I dont think white can sacrifice n15  stones but it's hard to save them also
goBum [?\]: too busy
]
;W[le]C[psygo [3k\]: beautiful shape
Pempu [3d\]: l15 incoming
Ootakamoku [2d\]: nose to make itp rettier
Hofobbefes [1d\]: who is attacking whom?
agony [5k\]: actually it does, Dr. Straw
mafutrct [2d?\]: when i suggested O12, i read it differently... they are playing wrong!
ThiGar [4k\]: lol psygo, but could work
agony [5k\]: You can vclone the game, save it to disk, and there are no comments
]
;B[kc]C[goBum [?\]: uhm s13 now right?
AAAAAAAAAA [6d\]: Eowyn kgs html is on its way from wms+other coders
Eowyn [1d\]: Ah rare times epty triangle is useful.. I always say it's not empty if it works.. Of course unless it doesn't
DrStraw [-\]: I want to see game-related comments
hobajons [-\]: s13 hella small atm
Pempu [3d\]: KGS HTML doesn't bring more features sadly. 
agony [5k\]: ok, try telling everyone to shut up :)
]
;W[kd]C[goBum [?\]: empty triangle doin nothin
Eowyn [1d\]: Glad to hear AAA.  Awesome news/ I would like to see it happeninng
mkeller [1d\]: it's been on its way for a while
awesome [3k\]: will three be game related comments on kgs html?
psygo [3k\]: you could make a go app for facebook, i wonder about the clashes that could happen there
humblelife [-\]: haha
psygo [3k\]: maybe it would be too personal there
mattw0520 [2k?\]: s13 not "hella" small
Ootakamoku [2d\]: pempu, the html interface will be alot easier to hack tho
mafutrct [2d?\]: there are many FB go apps
Ootakamoku [2d\]: so you get all the features you want as scripts
ThiGar [4k\]: hope kgs html comes with no trackers, as javascript will have to be allowed
psygo [3k\]: any decent one, mafu?
Pempu [3d\]: I'm not interested in solo features. Community features like variation sharing is the thing
]
;B[ld]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: pempu, but you can write scripts that interpret sequences directly from chat
Eowyn [1d\]: Like you want to send messages to everyone, use scripts. Easily done. But i guess it can be controlled with the hammer of BAN
]
;W[rg]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: and draw them as overlay on the board
mafutrct [2d?\]: the one i used many years ago seemed ok-ish, enough to play
kostuek [?\]: just merge with ogs. solved
Pempu [3d\]: I'm beginning to like Blacks position more and more
sungam [1d\]: what?
Hofobbefes [1d\]: w pos looks like a sedol game
jwc [-\]: game over?
agony [5k\]: W does not have many points
Koons [1k\]: why over?
Eowyn [1d\]: Actually this seems good for w
Ootakamoku [2d\]: k17 natural, or go crazy with something like j15
psygo [3k\]: i would go k17, and then try to settle the middle
Hofobbefes [1d\]: w cutting stones are not that weak... I like w
]
;B[jc]C[psygo [3k\]: while attacking
]
;W[id]C[Hofobbefes [1d\]: k12 for w can become interesting
Pempu [3d\]: It will be fun to see how they will handle o12  group
lance [1k\]: white can connect any time.
fghfgh: is j13 the w shape?
Hamster94 [4d\]: As far as I can tell white doesn't need to kill black to catch up in points so the game should be better for white.
Ootakamoku [2d\]: w being able to connect is sort of relative, as b o15 is sente
bbio [5k\]: does the preliminary match count for this final ?
USGO1 [-\]: yes
]
;B[hb]C[bbio [5k\]: thanks
Pempu [3d\]: h18 seems very slow
awesome [3k\]: now murder the center!
Ootakamoku [2d\]:  think b is happy with this result
wikipwnia [3k\]: w has to kill q10 and more?
oonicks [?\]: i was counting h18 is good points
]
;W[ig]C[Eowyn [1d\]: I would bet for w now
mattw0520 [2k?\]: b happy with a weak group surrounded by w?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: w had initial stake in the top, now its all b cash, and attackong the b group dont look too easy
Pempu [3d\]: They both play so solid moves. 
bubba [2d?\]: looks like b is going to stake the game on dealing with his weak group without giving away too much
]
;B[jg]C[materiald [6k?\]: So after this game they have a break and play again?
Hofobbefes [1d\]: yes
USGO1 [-\]: the game has just passed the 2-hour mark
Hofobbefes [1d\]: let's hope they play tomorrow tto
goBum [?\]: is this the 2nd time they played each other in this tournament?
Hofobbefes [1d\]: too*
just9x9 [-\]: attaching here is interesting, would have occured to me
]
;W[ih]C[alias [6k\]: when will the secound game begin?
just9x9 [-\]: wouldn't
USGO1 [-\]: 4p today
bbio [5k\]: goBum> yes, ryan won the first game
Eowyn [1d\]: Yes w should be able to profit by attacking center group.. which is not easy but it is also not easy for b because b has to handle it carefuly
lance [1k\]: This is the second game
eleven21: w's left side can be huge, i guess
Ootakamoku [2d\]: b k12 sente, threattens to capture m15 stones?
goBum [?\]: ah cool
USGO1 [-\]: time: w 38, b 19
]
;B[jh]C[indianayk [5d?\]: s14 was the culprit for the b's demise so far
]
;W[hc]C[Hofobbefes [1d\]: time suji like?
Eowyn [1d\]: there should be a reason for this because w has more time
]
;B[if]C[awesome [3k\]: w has lots of time, right?
just9x9 [-\]: j14 anyway, cool
]
;W[kf]C[Hofobbefes [1d\]: now all the weakness are b
agony [5k\]: ew..
Ootakamoku [2d\]: j13 stones dont look too happy
]
;B[jf]C[fghfgh: h15 ?
]
;W[gb]C[Hofobbefes [1d\]: whereever they run they makes points
just9x9 [-\]: there goes the top
bbio [5k\]: difficult for w ?
wikipwnia [3k\]: but the h17 stones aren't alive?
vdust [-\]: o15 to connect anytime
]
;B[ib]C[just9x9 [-\]: there is h15 for w
]
;W[gc]C[Eowyn [1d\]: hmmm b has to live at top and w can connect anytime so not that difficult
bbio [5k\]: didn't see o15
just9x9 [-\]: o15 sry
Ootakamoku [2d\]: f16 or p16?
bubba [2d?\]: so many groups
Hofobbefes [1d\]: p18
eleven21: at there are large yose from w now
Eowyn [1d\]: we dont call them groups. We call them sacrifice.. Spartan style
eleven21: at least*
wikipwnia [3k\]: FOR SPARTA!!!!!!
Pempu [3d\]: I don't think black has time to play p18 
mattw0520 [2k?\]: all that b cash
wikipwnia [3k\]: m18 is life?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: wikipwnia, its already alive
goBum [?\]: should w invade bottom later
wikipwnia [3k\]: if b top is alive then how does white win?
Pempu [3d\]: n11 solid or then b14 
Eowyn [1d\]: Good question :)
]
;B[fe]C[Pempu [3d\]: aah forcing whitte to connect is ofcourse good
wikipwnia [3k\]: time for w to resign?  g18 stones are going to die
bbio [5k\]: time for magic
apina [1d\]: doesn't o15 simply live?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: apina, yes
wikipwnia [3k\]: h
G0ldtree [2k\]: seems so
wikipwnia [3k\]: my bad
Hofobbefes [1d\]: time to e16
goBum [?\]: konek
]
;W[ge]C[apina [1d\]: what's wikipwnia looking then
goBum [?\]: but white will resist if there are other ways~ aha
]
;B[gf]
;W[ff]C[Eowyn [1d\]: yes but w needs more. Whole point was all about attacking center and b just got a reducing at top 
wsn [3k\]: w also has o15
apina [1d\]: of course he can play other thing first
Ootakamoku [2d\]: this cut looks realoly good
goBum [?\]: or he can just konek ;p
apina [1d\]: it was just mention, that he lives easily
rinkaio [1k\]: the winner of this game will become pro ?
fghfgh: anything better than o18for w?
bbio [5k\]: no
mmmd [3k\]: no atleast one more game
USGO1 [-\]: winner of the best of 5; this is 2nd game
rinkaio [1k\]: ok thanks
USGO1 [-\]: li leads 1-0
]
;B[gd]
;W[he]
;B[hf]C[bbio [5k\]: rinkaio> there is 1-0 for ryan, the first one who gets 3 becomes pro
goBum [?\]: wao
Ootakamoku [2d\]: fun had with forcing, time to live
awesome [3k\]: gotta respek the konek
Meepy [-\]: o15 is white's scylla to black's charybdis
rinkaio [1k\]: thanks for your answers
]
;W[ne]
;B[od]
;W[of]C[just9x9 [-\]: q14 come on
coolmoves: w attacks failed
ThiGar [4k\]: f13
Ootakamoku [2d\]: j11?
Pempu [3d\]: now B might have time to play on top
fghfgh: q18 is fun
rinkaio [1k\]: very balanced game from my pow
]
;B[mk]
;W[nk]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: wonder how long w will delay taking o18 yose
USGO1 [-\]: ryan shakes his head
lance [1k\]: winning the ko at the bottom now looks not so big
goBum [?\]: i thought we gonna some violence but what was thaaat
]
;B[mj]C[remsleep [5k?\]: is o18 sente? theres a monkey upper left as well
Eowyn [1d\]: Think of the go stones, gobum. Stop the violence!
goBum [?\]: looks like w has big endgame moves
]
;W[ob]C[ThiGar [4k\]: yose started
]
;B[mb]C[rinkaio [1k\]: ootamoku: this move is for u
mattw0520 [2k?\]: no
bbio [5k\]: i would play m11 as w ... and certainly be killed :D
mattw0520 [2k?\]: this is just big yose
mattw0520 [2k?\]: being played in middle game
goBum [?\]: lol
Pempu [3d\]: what's the definition of yose?
Eyeandeye [2d?\]: endgame
Pempu [3d\]: erm.
just9x9 [-\]: you only screw once
psygo [3k\]: its jose with an y
Hofobbefes [1d\]: I like winning games by playing big sente yose moves in fuseki-chuban
zampa [3k\]: thats not the definition, thats the translation.
]
;W[ij]C[psygo [3k\]: as far as i know
Pempu [3d\]: First move of ther game is also yose.
Eowyn [1d\]: That's YOSO,  just9x9
bbio [5k\]: sometimes i close my territories before they exists
just9x9 [-\]: right, my bad
rinkaio [1k\]: it is yoseki
oonicks [?\]: yose is sente with points
USGO1 [-\]: b 10m left
remsleep [5k?\]: maybe w wanted to remove ko threats upper right
ThiGar [4k\]: nice def oonicks
USGO1 [-\]: ryan shaking his head
]
;B[ii]C[Pempu [3d\]: Is he listening to music?
bbio [5k\]: how many time for w ?
awesome [3k\]: so one should always play yose
Javaness [2d\]: does that mean he is ahead
oonicks [?\]: nice situation p18
Eyeandeye [2d?\]: for practical purposes, yose is endgame. 
mmmd [3k\]: is it happy shaking ? :)
USGO1 [-\]: doesn't look happy, no
rinkaio [1k\]: k10
Pempu [3d\]: We didn't ask for the translation...
]
;W[jj]C[goBum [?\]: happy shaking? that's creepy lol
Eowyn [1d\]: aha!
rinkaio [1k\]: I said it !
Pempu [3d\]: It's a cultural thing
Ootakamoku [2d\]: in the recent NHK tournament game broadcast, the pro was giggling when he was overplaying (because losing the game), you can find it on youtube.
Pempu [3d\]: like black & white colours
Ootakamoku [2d\]: so go figure, shaking ones head could mean many things
just9x9 [-\]: giggling when overplaying lol
goBum [?\]: LOL
]
;B[hi]C[goBum [?\]: that's even funnier
Ootakamoku [2d\]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k3dVTNTBL8 is the video
]
;W[li]C[Hofobbefes [1d\]: shacking ones heads it's aggression oota
Pempu [3d\]: Or hair drying
kostuek [?\]: youtube is for cats
wikipwnia [3k\]: when in the video does he giggle?
Eowyn [1d\]: Oh he thought it is funny, like trolling funny, because maybe he also doesnt like overplaying opponents and he giggles when he does the same thing
bbio [5k\]: finally m11 !
]
;B[mi]C[bbio [5k\]: ryan following my advices
bbio [5k\]: what did you do ryan
bbio [5k\]: i'm not good
mmmd [3k\]: i only see funny eye brow wriggling in the video
Stanfield [8k\]: even 5k plays good moves for bad reasons ^_^
will122166 [1d\]: or my accident.
Eowyn [1d\]: Also  even a broken clock shows the time correctly once in a while.. :P
Stanfield [8k\]: twice a day
Pempu [3d\]: sundials...
Illyria [?\]: depends on if it's analog or digital
Stanfield [8k\]: sundial can't break...
wikipwnia [3k\]: that dragon will not die
Pempu [3d\]: why not?
mattw0520 [2k?\]: sundials break all the time
ThiGar [4k\]: k13 group has only one eye
Stanfield [8k\]: cuz its a pro game
Eowyn [1d\]: Also maybe it goes faster (I had that kind of digital clock) 
goBum [?\]: just.one.more.eye.
Matula [1k\]: l11 looks fine...
]
;W[hj]C[Eowyn [1d\]: hmm can w make territory at the center?
goBum [?\]: white o10?
ThiGar [4k\]: how is black going to make his second eye?
Stanfield [8k\]: I like white O10
USGO1 [-\]: time: w 29, b 5
Stanfield [8k\]: woah
Stanfield [8k\]: that'll be a factor soon
goBum [?\]: yeah
awesome [3k\]: maybe time will be a problem for b
goBum [?\]: and in this position
Illyria [?\]: it's not a huge factor for eric
psygo [3k\]: they can both play fast
Stanfield [8k\]: I've seen the strongest players lose beacuse of time
Illyria [?\]: I've seen him count out and win games by .5 after going into 30s byo yomin at like move 50
goBum [?\]: white L13
Stanfield [8k\]: I looked at that too
]
;B[lm]C[Stanfield [8k\]: but its not good enough'
]
;W[kn]
;B[ml]C[alias [6k\]: black just blocked it
Stanfield [8k\]: take the ko?
bbio [5k\]: ko 
]
;W[nm]C[bbio [5k\]: nooo
USGO1 [-\]: hesitates, then plays
Stanfield [8k\]: why not, its free?
Stanfield [8k\]: he doesnt have to play the ko any further
bbio [5k\]: ryan learning from his previous mistakes and don't want to listen to me again, never
]
;B[kj]
;W[kk]
;B[ki]C[Stanfield [8k\]: is W giving up trying to kill it?
Eowyn [1d\]: yeah w aims territory at center
Lead210 [2k\]: Anybody counting?
wikipwnia [3k\]: k11
Stanfield [8k\]: oh gee thanks
Babibo [3d?\]: I am counting... on other people to count
Stanfield [8k\]: ofc k11 lol
Eowyn [1d\]: i guess f6 and then something like f4
Stanfield [8k\]: too direct?
will122166 [1d\]: I'd say black is 10 points ahead on the board.
]
;W[fq]C[goBum [?\]: yay
Stanfield [8k\]: yes!
goBum [?\]: i been waiting for this
Stanfield [8k\]: me too
USGO1 [-\]: ryan definitely looks disappointed
oonicks [?\]: b +0.5
Stanfield [8k\]: psh
Eowyn [1d\]: well maybe there is aproblem for w witk b f13 or f12 etc
Stanfield [8k\]: not over yet
agony [5k\]: 42 pt. swing for SE
Eowyn [1d\]: not be able to k11 right now
Stanfield [8k\]: why not?
Stanfield [8k\]: he ca, he just decided to let black have it if he wants
Stanfield [8k\]: can*
]
;B[dj]C[Stanfield [8k\]: sente else where is bigger than sente k11
bbio [5k\]: does eric lui look happy ?
Stanfield [8k\]: never
will122166 [1d\]: no way. 
Stanfield [8k\]: not until the game is over
Eowyn [1d\]: you should usually avoid wasting big ko threats and not play if it doesnt work
dreamy [2d\]: ...
will122166 [1d\]: He's surely serious.
agony [5k\]: what does k11 do?
pebble [1d\]: w might not want j10 stones to lose liberties, too
goBum [?\]: it's 1 am and i'm getting hungry watching........
Stanfield [8k\]: k11, sente 2 points
Stanfield [8k\]: plus gives sente at G11
agony [5k\]: sounds underwhelming
Stanfield [8k\]: it is
Stanfield [8k\]: hence not played there yet
]
;W[bj]
;B[fp]C[Eowyn [1d\]: Stanfield it doesnt kill the b's group so it is like wasting a move
]
;W[gq]C[Stanfield [8k\]: I'm not an idiot, its not gote
bbio [5k\]: when is the next match ?
USGO1 [-\]: 4p today
Koons [1k\]: eastern?
bbio [5k\]: ok and what time is it ther currently ?
USGO1 [-\]: b 1m left
bleen [1d\]: again those 2?
Stanfield [8k\]: black might die if he leave k11 unanswered
]
;B[gp]C[Stanfield [8k\]: I'm not saying white should go there tho
Stanfield [8k\]: its just a good endgame move
Eowyn [1d\]: Who told you that you are an idiot. I am just trying to explain that sente is not always good. A ko threat has much more vaule when it is needed. And also refrain moves that also shortens your liberty which you might need later
]
;W[hp]C[Stanfield [8k\]: you did.. it was between your lines. But its kay.
]
;B[hq]C[goBum [?\]: all this time i thought ryan was black... that changes things (about shaking head) LOL
Eowyn [1d\]: Read again. There is insult between words. Carefulyl choosen
Kretzsche [2k?\]: is this the deciding match?
mmmd [3k\]: no
Eowyn [1d\]: there is no insult... oh my
goBum [?\]: no
bbio [5k\]: USGO1> what is your time zone ?
]
;W[en]C[bleen [1d\]: eastern
seishiro [2k\]: how much time does ryan has?
bleen [1d\]: not?
USGO1 [-\]: EST; it;s 12:08p
USGO1 [-\]: w 23; black now in ot; 5/40
Stanfield [8k\]: lol George Takei is that you?
bbio [5k\]: ok thank you
]
;B[ho]
;W[dm]C[Stanfield [8k\]: 5/40?
Stanfield [8k\]: ugh
]
;B[bn]C[Stanfield [8k\]: even Canadians hat canadian time
Stanfield [8k\]: hate*
xedover [?\]: next round (displayed in your local timezone): <gmt>2015-01-09 21:00</gmt>
Stanfield [8k\]: should white fill?
]
;W[bf]C[Liso66 [?\]: it is not canadian
Violence [1d\]: no way
awesome [3k\]: maybe in my zone but not in my format
Borachon [3k\]: no point in filling
Violence [1d\]: filling doesn't make sense
Liso66 [?\]: 5 periods of 40 seconds
Stanfield [8k\]: ohh
Stanfield [8k\]: lol
]
;B[di]C[Stanfield [8k\]: I thought it was 5 minutes forty stones
goBum [?\]: next round i'm still zzzing
]
;W[ch]C[coolmoves: b territory ahead a lot
bbio [5k\]: xedover : how did you do that :o
Borachon [3k\]: black plays so calmly.
Horse [8k\]: black found an escape route ?
saltwater: next round first september
Eowyn [1d\]: oh this is dangerous for black
xedover [?\]: using gmt tags
Stanfield [8k\]: its aint ova yet
USGO1 [-\]: b 4/40
bbio [5k\]: it's crazy
Stanfield [8k\]: white C8 is a problem if blackgoes down
xedover [?\]: \\<gmt\\>2015-01-09 21:00\\</gmt\\>
psygo [3k\]: is that corner really safe?
Stanfield [8k\]: but black might dies if he goes right
bbio [5k\]: ty xedover
awesome [3k\]: that's how I like psygo :)
awesome [3k\]: like it*
]
;B[dl]C[psygo [3k\]: oh dear
Stanfield [8k\]: ko, ka
zampa [3k\]: ko, la.
Stanfield [8k\]: ko la
Stanfield [8k\]: yee
coolmoves: b can give up D10 stones still win a lot
cbc [?\]: Does b need this to win?  Seems close
psygo [3k\]: i would have tried to save the corner
Stanfield [8k\]: w can still win
cbc [?\]: I was thinking w had the advantage
psygo [3k\]: there isnt much territory for white now
Horse [8k\]: in that case white can still win i suppose
Kretzsche [2k?\]: how many threats does w have?
Eowyn [1d\]: w has good ko threats
awesome [3k\]: w has 11 threats
Eowyn [1d\]: at top corner
goBum [?\]: yyummy
Kretzsche [2k?\]: but would b chose this if he thought he would lose the ko?
Horse [8k\]: d9 looks possible
ThiGar [4k\]: p3 is a big ko threat
awesome [3k\]: he may not be so good at counting threats
psygo [3k\]: he in in byo, idk if he read it that well enough
Eowyn [1d\]: who knows maybe he is tired
Borachon [3k\]: brutal move, wow
Eowyn [1d\]: w has time and w will count for black too
Horse [8k\]: that ponnuki looks rather small, does it really need to be defended ?
]
;W[fb]C[Horse [8k\]: ok, guess i got my answer
Eowyn [1d\]: or maybe b thinks to sacrifice b6, downleft corner alive anyway
]
;B[eb]C[zampa [3k\]: the ponnuki isn't small but that's sente.
USGO1 [-\]: big sigh from ryan
]
;W[bm]C[just9x9 [-\]: shaking and sighing
Kretzsche [2k?\]: glad or worried sigh?
mmmd [3k\]: :-)
]
;B[dn]C[bert [2d?\]: all in sigh
pebble [1d\]: Oh man
pebble [1d\]: getting interesting
]
;W[fg]C[Stanfield [8k\]: hehe
Eowyn [1d\]: See Stan? :)
Stanfield [8k\]: I do see
just9x9 [-\]: what is f13?
]
;B[ee]C[Eowyn [1d\]: for k11
just9x9 [-\]: threatening corner?
]
;W[cn]C[alias [6k\]: no
alias [6k\]: k11
Stanfield [8k\]: and I saw 10 moves ago too, that's why I was offended. I was on the side of not to play k11
just9x9 [-\]: oh
Eowyn [1d\]: it will be k11 soon
]
;B[cl]C[kirito35 [2k\]: k11 doesn't work ir's for corner
Eowyn [1d\]: Stan i explained that it is saved as a ko threat
coolmoves: b saved everything
Stanfield [8k\]: yes I see and saw that, and am/was in favor of saving it
cbc [?\]: I have to root for Eric, to ensure games tomorrow.
Wagaboo [2k\]: oooh n forced a huge ko
]
;W[bo]C[Stanfield [8k\]: oooooo
awesome [3k\]: ok...
slinfolo [5k\]: when will the next game be played?
Stanfield [8k\]: GAME
just9x9 [-\]: d6 :)
USGO1 [-\]: 4p today
USGO3 [-\]:  4 pm eastern toda
USGO3 [-\]: y
alias [6k\]: in 3 hours and 37 minutes
]
;B[dn]C[lexansoft [2k\]: b can b8, right?
slinfolo [5k\]: ok, thx
Stanfield [8k\]: just9x9, too strong man
]
;W[nb]C[just9x9 [-\]: tx :)
Stanfield [8k\]: how did you read that?
cbc [?\]: No rest for the weary
bigfry [3d\]: b++
Stanfield [8k\]: black has no more local threats if I'm not mistaken, A6 doesnt work
goBum [?\]: no kibitz from the hungry
USGO1 [-\]: b 3/40
Stanfield [8k\]: or does it?
apina [1d\]: of course it's threat
darkronin [3k\]: Ko difficult in byo
bigfry [3d\]: black should win this game, if it weren't for time trouble
Stanfield [8k\]: is it of course
Stanfield [8k\]: white has interesting answers that might be worth
]
;B[ma]
;W[cn]C[USGO1 [-\]: now eric sighs
Stanfield [8k\]: lol
Kretzsche [2k?\]: oh boy
goBum [?\]: b took time, time to endure da pain
apina [1d\]: if white answers anything else than fill the ko, it works here
Wagaboo [2k\]: b8 ?
]
;B[bk]C[bbio [5k\]: who's gonna sight louder ? that's the question
just9x9 [-\]: you meant b9 wagaboo?
goBum [?\]: who's sighing?
just9x9 [-\]: :)
coolmoves: C11 group may die if ignore
Wagaboo [2k\]: yup
Wagaboo [2k\]: local threats are the best b has
Stanfield [8k\]: no worries mon, sticky bun come soon
cbc [?\]: k15 not big enough?
just9x9 [-\]: when d8 is stable, b still has f7 after losing the ko, going for the kill
Wagaboo [2k\]: no
Wagaboo [2k\]: k15 is smaller i think
bigfry [3d\]: how much time does ryan have?
]
;W[df]C[Wagaboo [2k\]: k15 worth 23 points
USGO1 [-\]: w 12, b 3/40
bigfry [3d\]: thx
goBum [?\]: don't call me on byo yomi
]
;B[bc]
;W[an]
;B[bi]C[Stanfield [8k\]: you know what this room needs? A smile :D
bleen [1d\]: :D
Wagaboo [2k\]: :D
USGO1 [-\]: w 10m
Wagaboo [2k\]: i am charlie !
darkronin [3k\]: How can w manage now?
psygo [3k\]: he cant
Stanfield [8k\]: he can poke that eye with decend right?
Stanfield [8k\]: oh myabe he cant
just9x9 [-\]: b alive
alias [6k\]: a9 ?
darkronin [3k\]: :-(
Ootakamoku [2d\]: w c2 gives some yose?
Stanfield [8k\]: nah
Borachon [3k\]: c9 is captured, so no. be is alive, w has his own problems at the top left now
Stanfield [8k\]: a9 - a 10 - A 8 - B8
]
;W[gi]C[Wagaboo [2k\]: e7 
Stanfield [8k\]: desperation?
goBum [?\]: maybe w has pro moves in his sleeves
awesome [3k\]: just getting out
]
;B[gh]C[agony [5k\]: he ought to have some pro moves in his sleeves
Eyeandeye [2d?\]: first rule, fon't die
ThiGar [4k\]: k11
Stanfield [8k\]: K11!!!
just9x9 [-\]: now famous k11
Stanfield [8k\]: G12 mistake?
Babibo [3d?\]: k11 h12 l12 l13 m10 f12 
Ootakamoku [2d\]: b can connect out with g12?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: so lose the other eye but still alive
]
;W[ei]C[Stanfield [8k\]: but dc'd
Stanfield [8k\]: oh shit
Stanfield [8k\]: wow lol
Ootakamoku [2d\]: ok, now no connection
Ootakamoku [2d\]: so have to fix against w k11
goBum [?\]: did w just say teehee
Stanfield [8k\]: nah
Stanfield [8k\]: B is fine
]
;B[gj]
;W[dh]C[pokale [2d?\]: this tournament is still going on?
alias [6k\]: pokale!!!
darkronin [3k\]: This looks sente
awesome [3k\]: who are you?
bleen [1d\]: there is pokale
]
;B[dk]C[Borachon [3k\]: game 2 of final best iof 5
Eowyn [1d\]: interestingly w e6 group might die
goBum [?\]: yup and am still awake
goBum [?\]: i'd think of him as some drink
]
;W[fi]C[Borachon [3k\]: ryan carried over a win from game 1 from the RR
martin97 [-\]: f7 tempting
]
;B[ji]C[indianayk [5d?\]: k11 seems a must
martin97 [-\]: but c3 seems tesuji
pebble [1d\]: K11!!!!
USGO2 [-\]: K11 was a must
ThiGar [4k\]: e8
pokale [2d?\]: i am pokale
bleen [1d\]: he is pokale
Timk [1d\]: you are pokale ?
Stanfield [8k\]: thats gg I think
Timk [1d\]: :D
Malingo [3d\]: lmlooking at a11?
snowman [-\]: no kidding
goBum [?\]: are you pokale?
darkronin [3k\]: B is win :'(
pokale [2d?\]: yes i am pokale
Stanfield [8k\]: pokale is pokale?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: a11 is annoying for sure, but cant read it being lethal
bleen [1d\]: indeed
alias [6k\]: he's the kgs-puppu
USGO1 [-\]: w 5m
alias [6k\]: puppy*
Stanfield [8k\]: he should try it tho
Stanfield [8k\]: what about D4?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: how about grab some points on the outside instead of a11
Stanfield [8k\]: nah nvm
]
;W[cr]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: :)
wikipwnia [3k\]: last try
wikipwnia [3k\]: GO WHITE
goBum [?\]: uaw
pokale [2d?\]: nice move
Stanfield [8k\]: that's d4 but way better
Stanfield [8k\]: UnderDog, UNderDOg
USGO1 [-\]: b 40/2
]
;B[dr]C[Stanfield [8k\]: Crazy
Stanfield [8k\]: Wind
Stanfield [8k\]: B is spoil sport lol
Stanfield [8k\]: hes like, fine take points, I"m creaming you anyways
]
;W[ep]C[darkronin [3k\]: Wut
Stanfield [8k\]: bad move?
mattw0520 [2k?\]: b in trouble i think
]
;B[eq]C[pokale [2d?\]: i count w+45.5
Ootakamoku [2d\]: gets sente
Stanfield [8k\]: mah
Stanfield [8k\]: nah*
Stanfield [8k\]: I wish
Illyria [?\]: that's what SE said
Stanfield [8k\]: comeback of the century?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: f5 g5 c3 d4 b4 f2 d1 g2 plus a few steps of ko in between
bert [2d?\]: agreed
Malingo [3d\]: g5 
ggg [2d\]: Who is black?
Stanfield [8k\]: bigg enough?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: ah, right, g5 better, duh
Stanfield [8k\]: read ggg
bbio [5k\]: b is eric lui
Stanfield [8k\]: ERic is black
ggg [2d\]: Oh w?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: f5 then c3?
Stanfield [8k\]: Ryan Li
Ootakamoku [2d\]: g5 j4 f5 h4 c3 d4 b4 e5 
]
;W[go]C[Stanfield [8k\]: g5?
awesome [3k\]: g5 stonger
goBum [?\]: uaw
Stanfield [8k\]: why doesnt black F5?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: he can
]
;B[fo]C[goBum [?\]: maybe this is also in preparation for center
Kretzsche [2k?\]: and he will :D
kirito35 [2k\]: but not ko
kirito35 [2k\]: now
Stanfield [8k\]: h2?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: f6 g6 e5 j4 c3 d4 b4 f2 d1
Stanfield [8k\]: g2?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: g2 h2 does nothing
jwc [-\]: f6 g6 e5 j4 c3 d4 f2?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: except give more points
Stanfield [8k\]: I dont think black care about w b4
]
;W[gn]C[just9x9 [-\]: you sure?
Kretzsche [2k?\]: it's an eye
Warfreak2 [4d\]: b cares because of w a11
Stanfield [8k\]: g2 and h2 attempt to squeeze liberties from blacks group
Ootakamoku [2d\]: so this is sente against c10?
Stanfield [8k\]: for free
Ootakamoku [2d\]: scary
]
;B[bp]C[just9x9 [-\]: wow
Warfreak2 [4d\]: count liberties
Stanfield [8k\]: wowoow
Warfreak2 [4d\]: g2 h2 and both have the same liberties as before
Ootakamoku [2d\]: f6 j4 a11 
Stanfield [8k\]: but
Stanfield [8k\]: its different
Stanfield [8k\]: trust
Stanfield [8k\]: only being saved for ko threats
Warfreak2 [4d\]: "trust me, i'm 8k and i have no explainable reason"
jwc [-\]: a11 now?
Kretzsche [2k?\]: can ´he pull off a double attack now?
USGO1 [-\]: w 4/40
psygo [3k\]: wow, stan is very excited
darkronin [3k\]: Dont understand
Stanfield [8k\]: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Graham%27s_Hierarchy_of_Disagreement.svg
]
;W[ai]C[Stanfield [8k\]: ad hominem ^_^
USGO1 [-\]: b 40/2
darkronin [3k\]: Ohh
goBum [?\]: so w c2 purpose is for this move?
Borachon [3k\]: here we go...
]
;B[aj]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: uh, yeah, where does "it's different, trust me" come on that hierarchy?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i have refuted you, g2 h2 and the liberties are the same
snowman [-\]: good luck for white :)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: you just give up more points
awesome [3k\]: it's like the food pyramid, the best stuff at the bottom
Stanfield [8k\]: its a hierarchy for disagreements, not bold statements
goBum [?\]: b4 too big
]
;W[fn]C[darkronin [3k\]: Kill is big
Kretzsche [2k?\]: i think i like seinfeld more then stanfield
Ootakamoku [2d\]: a11 weird exchange before f6
goBum [?\]: kill or center in exchange
Koons [1k\]: "i have refuted you" :)
psygo [3k\]: stan, please stop, youre only degrading yourself
Stanfield [8k\]: ^_^ sorry
Warfreak2 [4d\]: also, it's not an ad hominem to call you untrustworthy, if you are arguing that i should just trust you
]
;B[ip]
;W[ah]C[pebble [1d\]: Stan, I think you're depending a little too much on things that have nothing to do with the game. People wouldn't be shutting you down if you weren't so aggressive to begin with.
pebble [1d\]: Can we all just focus on the game?
mattw0520 [2k?\]: stop arguing. 
mattw0520 [2k?\]: you all sound like fools
awesome [3k\]: lol
Ootakamoku [2d\]: so want to see b plan for living
pebble [1d\]: And "this is a move" instead of "you're an idiot" or "you said I'm an idiot"
Ootakamoku [2d\]: looks utterly hopeless
Kretzsche [2k?\]: someone say "but he started"
]
;B[bh]C[pebble [1d\]: lol
bert [2d?\]: an 8k can't focus on the game
]
;W[ag]C[Koons [1k\]: don't be rankist
Illyria [?\]: can b kill w here?
Koons [1k\]: attack the kibitzer not the rank
Koons [1k\]: or don't attack at all, better yet
wikipwnia [3k\]: 3ks are horrible
wikipwnia [3k\]: :)
Borachon [3k\]: I can confirm that
psygo [3k\]: i agree
]
;B[fk]C[darkronin [3k\]: Aye
alias [6k\]: agree with Koons
Eowyn [1d\]: Ask me about 1 dans... Terrible!
awesome [3k\]: agree
]
;W[gk]C[Kretzsche [2k?\]: i wouldn't trust anyone without [?\] anyway
wikipwnia [3k\]: w gonna win
snowman [-\]: you are going off topic
wikipwnia [3k\]: this is awesome
ThiGar [4k\]: over
Illyria [?\]: ko time?
goBum [?\]: uaw
wsn [3k\]: b4 was greedy
Stanfield [8k\]: wow what a game!
USGO1 [-\]: b 1/40
Koons [1k\]: ohoh
Ootakamoku [2d\]: koons, attacking the rank is prepares arguments against future trolls, so you dont have to handle them individually.
Warfreak2 [4d\]: e7 d6 g8 f10 h8 is connected, sort of
goBum [?\]: b always got away
just9x9 [-\]: btw thanks for that link stan, nice graphic
goBum [?\]: not this time i guess
Borachon [3k\]: g8?
Javaness [2d\]: what is 1/40
Stanfield [8k\]: ^_^
mattw0520 [2k?\]: byo yomi
served [3d\]: last byoyomi period
zampa [3k\]: one period of 40 second byo yomi
mattw0520 [2k?\]: 1x40s
rinkaio [1k\]: 40 sec x1
just9x9 [-\]: .025
darkronin [3k\]: Time left 1 per 40"
]
;B[gl]C[Koons [1k\]: not all 8k are trolls
Koons [1k\]: or ddk
Koons [1k\]: or 1k :)
USGO1 [-\]: played 3 secs left
goBum [?\]: ummmphhh
]
;W[fj]C[bert [2d?\]: it is not attacking a rank if you state that at 8k one doesn't understand much of the game
hobajons [-\]: b can turj
Stanfield [8k\]: I aint trying to ruin anyone's time
darkronin [3k\]: Blunder? 
bert [2d?\]: you allready did that
]
;B[bg]C[alias [6k\]: he's excited thats all
USGO1 [-\]: played with 1 sec left
mattw0520 [2k?\]: how about some mod action?
Stanfield [8k\]: Don't be no cloud on a sunny day :)
]
;W[af]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: no sun here
mmmd [3k\]: who is shaking happily now ?
Borachon [3k\]: timesuji
Ootakamoku [2d\]: e7
goBum [?\]: must be giggling
awesome [3k\]: both shaking and sighing now?
bert [2d?\]: of curse a couple of days ago we had a 12k explainig the game for us
Koons [1k\]: just f8?
]
;B[fl]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: e9
darkronin [3k\]: Oh w can h7?
wsn [3k\]: all because of this b4
color [6k\]: h7
]
;W[hm]C[darkronin [3k\]: :D
Koons [1k\]: what was proper instead of b4?
Stanfield [8k\]: bert [2d?\]: it is not attacking a rank if you state that at 8k one doesn't understand much of the game
Koons [1k\]: stan, we've moved on
Stanfield [8k\]: still ad hominem
Ootakamoku [2d\]: koons, b4 wasnt issue, it was g5 or f5
]
;B[hk]C[goBum [?\]: past is past
hobajons [-\]: b will win
Ootakamoku [2d\]: basically what caused the problem was letting w get f6 and g6 in sente
cbc [?\]: I think this game is past
hobajons [-\]: b won
USGO1 [-\]: w 40/34
USGO1 [-\]: 40/3
Stanfield [8k\]: how is it over?
Stanfield [8k\]: is the black group on the right alive?
hobajons [-\]: it will be
acuflow [4d\]: J8?
rinkaio [1k\]: ryan is always playing faster than his opponent
Koons [1k\]: by right do you mean left?
goBum [?\]: it's dangerous for both now
]
;W[gj]C[Stanfield [8k\]: yeah left
hobajons [-\]: what
hobajons [-\]: did w just do
Ootakamoku [2d\]: standfield, u will become a strong player
cbc [?\]: I guess I don't see how black lives and wins
Stanfield [8k\]: hehe :)
]
;B[hl]C[color [6k\]: j7
Ootakamoku [2d\]: truly, many strong players mess up left/right, black/white when talking
indianayk [5d?\]: j7,k8
]
;W[im]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: that's usually because english is not their first language
Stanfield [8k\]: is it like the best doctors have the worst writing?
hobajons [-\]: k8\\\\
hobajons [-\]: gg
goBum [?\]: yeah
darkronin [3k\]: Omg
color [6k\]: after w L7
Warfreak2 [4d\]: or they are standing the other side of the board...
sedgwick [5d?\]: k8 seems only possibility
]
;B[jl]C[mattw0520 [2k?\]: that's not true, warfreak. dwyrin messus up black and white all the time, for example
hobajons [-\]: lol gg
coolmoves: b will win this fight
hobajons [-\]: mhm
Warfreak2 [4d\]: do you know what "usually" means?
just9x9 [-\]: usually it means usually
]
;W[il]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: one example does not disprove a statement beginning with the word "usually"
Koons [1k\]: sometimes
Kretzsche [2k?\]: i think it is because they go through sequences in their head, and then they want to say something, so they randomly pick one colour that had an appearance in the sequence
mattw0520 [2k?\]: i forgot, warfreak should be censored
Stanfield [8k\]: lol, just 9x9. I see what you did there
goBum [?\]: this isn't some test so what if they are mistaken in kibitz or something
rinkaio [1k\]: b is all in
]
;B[ik]C[Koons [1k\]: this is insane
Warfreak2 [4d\]: sorry for being correct
just9x9 [-\]: i go with the language explanation, at least it is right for me
Koons [1k\]: but fun
mattw0520 [2k?\]: exciting ending
Timk [1d\]: w too
just9x9 [-\]: but i am no strong player...
bbio [5k\]: b is crazy4
Kretzsche [2k?\]: its not your fault, mathmatitians have their bad habits
wikipwnia [3k\]: b can cut???
wsn [3k\]: he has to be
Stanfield [8k\]: no W is crazywind
Koons [1k\]: warfreak is always right, except when he's left
]
;W[jk]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: f12 first?
indianayk [5d?\]: l8 is sente
just9x9 [-\]: well, n2 in a second and then b has managed a semeai that he can lose and resign
Alife361 [?\]: all in
odnihs [-\]: ko?
Stanfield [8k\]: this is the best game I've seen live
]
;B[ef]C[wsn [3k\]: wait until u r 3k 
USGO1 [-\]: 1 sec left'
Warfreak2 [4d\]: this threatens e12 cut
Koons [1k\]: oh, the drama!
goBum [?\]: wait until ur 1d
Stanfield [8k\]: uhh, I sort of am 3k ^_^
hobajons [-\]: w lost
Warfreak2 [4d\]: w can connect at e12 for most liberties
]
;W[eh]C[hobajons [-\]: trust me w lost
Warfreak2 [4d\]: now l8
goBum [?\]: dem
]
;B[kl]C[Gengiskhan [2d\]: if d8 lives then l6 dies?
USGO1 [-\]: w 40/2
hobajons [-\]: b has more pts anyways
bbio [5k\]: n2 is bad timing yose
zampa [3k\]: according to my conuting white wins by two libs in this semiai
odnihs [-\]: i think w is done
zampa [3k\]: or well 3 since white gets to start
wikipwnia [3k\]: what a great try
hobajons [-\]: i called it so long ago
]
;W[gm]C[hobajons [-\]: someone give me 100$
psygo [3k\]: damn this is intense, im not gonna pretend i can read this, but instinctively i agree with hoba
Javaness [2d\]: no
Warfreak2 [4d\]: b can make a ko either at e7 or at a8, if he needs a ko
herissondu [5d\]: w wins by 1 lib i think
bbio [5k\]: i trust the herisson
hobajons [-\]: heriss there is a ko
hobajons [-\]: at least
odnihs [-\]: ko but black takes first
served [3d\]: does a8 matter?
Gengiskhan [2d\]: k7 cut?
hobajons [-\]: not really
]
;B[ek]C[psygo [3k\]: wow that was fast
Ootakamoku [2d\]: so dont understand why w didnt push at e9 earlier
just9x9 [-\]: e9 is confident
Kretzsche [2k?\]: it threatens the eye?
]
;W[fm]C[Koons [1k\]: remove own liberty? but sets up e7
Warfreak2 [4d\]: e9 doesn't remove black's own liberty
Warfreak2 [4d\]: he has to play there anyway
just9x9 [-\]: b8
Koons [1k\]: no?
]
;B[al]
;W[bl]C[Koons [1k\]: i see
Koons [1k\]: get stong at misplaying semiai
Koons [1k\]: and spelling too
Ootakamoku [2d\]: does k7 kill the tail? not that it makes a difference anymore..
just9x9 [-\]: wow b eying at k7
Warfreak2 [4d\]: e13
hobajons [-\]: b won
indianayk [5d?\]: heading for a huge ko
herissondu [5d\]: b will die
]
;B[eg]C[hobajons [-\]: nah
Stanfield [8k\]: yeah why didn't white make that eye?
herissondu [5d\]: but maybe b will win
hobajons [-\]: b may lose ko but he wins game
Ootakamoku [2d\]: who takes ko first is interesting part
]
;W[cg]C[hobajons [-\]: triple ko?
Eowyn [1d\]: epic game
herissondu [5d\]: because there isn't any shared libs, stan
hobajons [-\]: lol jk
Stanfield [8k\]: white should have played C13 earlier no?
hobajons [-\]: could be a triple ko tho that woudl be so funny
herissondu [5d\]: so an eye isn't needed
]
;B[bj]C[Meepy [-\]: approach ko for black
Warfreak2 [4d\]: direct ko
Stanfield [8k\]: no trple
Warfreak2 [4d\]: not approach ko
ThiGar [4k\]: w= 5libs b=?
hobajons [-\]: not anymore
Meepy [-\]: no?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: w needs d6
]
;W[em]C[Eowyn [1d\]: direct ko which b has to win a lot
Warfreak2 [4d\]: what do you mean win a lot
darkronin [3k\]: Over?
Liso66 [?\]: triple ko is half point for both or nothing?
goBum [?\]: uaw
Warfreak2 [4d\]: if he has to win multiple times it is not direct ko
Warfreak2 [4d\]: but b only needs to win once
Warfreak2 [4d\]: unfortunately, w takes first
Stanfield [8k\]: how can black win the game?
Timk [1d\]: it's not a direct ko
Eowyn [1d\]: oh sorry you are right
Ootakamoku [2d\]: this is one of those quasi kos, where only thing that matters is who takes first
just9x9 [-\]: a4
]
;B[jm]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: it is a direct ko, w needs to d6
mattw0520 [2k?\]: liso66, triple ko is different from three kos
hobajons [-\]: o bb
Stanfield [8k\]: everyone is saying black wins, but I dont see it
Warfreak2 [4d\]: who is saying black wins
hobajons [-\]: b will get enough compensation
hobajons [-\]: me
Stanfield [8k\]: look up
hobajons [-\]: he will win game
Herod [-\]: You've said it half a dozen times hobjons - that should be enough
]
;W[el]C[herissondu [5d\]: b can't get anything
Timk [1d\]: anought compensation ?
Timk [1d\]: enough of 45-50 pts ?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: look up where? i see one person saying b will win, after i asked
hobajons [-\]: bc he gets k6 for me
hobajons [-\]: for free*
]
;B[in]C[hobajons [-\]: then he can k15
zampa [3k\]: with killing the tails...
Eowyn [1d\]: w's top group is safe from ko threat
zampa [3k\]: i think its fairly even.
hobajons [-\]: he kills tail for free
Bombil [3k\]: hi
hobajons [-\]: almost
]
;W[am]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: sneaky..
Timk [1d\]: it's not even
seishiro [2k\]: close game alright 
Stanfield [8k\]: oh haha, I ready hobajons multile times ^_^
charkysan [-\]: now w must win at n6 to save l6?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: e13 doesn't make sense with k7
]
;B[pf]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: white cant win n6 right now
Warfreak2 [4d\]: b tried to win semeai with e12 group and then tried to win with g7 group
coolmoves: b N5  is still winning
kirito35 [2k\]: m9
ThiGar [4k\]: n5 must
slinfolo [5k\]: b looks far ahead?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: n5 looks pointless
zampa [3k\]: i think its really even.
]
;W[sf]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: cant win n5 a long as a9 exists
charkysan [-\]: getting rid of aji before the ko?
just9x9 [-\]: preparing for big threat
herissondu [5d\]: w can still j2
]
;B[dp]C[Timk [1d\]: just taking sente
indianayk [5d?\]: n5 is good now
ThiGar [4k\]: but game even only if L3 captured
]
;W[ak]C[Meepy [-\]: told you it was an approach ko, warf
Ootakamoku [2d\]: inianayk, dont see but b will just h6 if w tries to take n5, after which its a9 ko
rinkaio [1k\]: k15
just9x9 [-\]: r17
Warfreak2 [4d\]: meepy, well, if b tenukis then sure
]
;B[se]C[Meepy [-\]: when did he tenuki?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: twice, at k7 and j6 
Stanfield [8k\]: lol
Meepy [-\]: that's not tenuki
]
;W[ck]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: yes it is
hobajons [-\]: what
indianayk [5d?\]: that is still ko and n5 would have killed l2 group
hobajons [-\]: why did w take
just9x9 [-\]: omg
Warfreak2 [4d\]: he didn't remove liberties from d15 group
hobajons [-\]: s17
Eowyn [1d\]: Ohh pain to collect all the dead stones
goBum [?\]: my eyes
hobajons [-\]: what
Meepy [-\]: even the d15 race was an approach ko
Ootakamoku [2d\]: does s11 work?
hobajons [-\]: w just lost
Ootakamoku [2d\]: hmm, nvm
hobajons [-\]: :/
Ootakamoku [2d\]: doesnt
hobajons [-\]: b will t13
hobajons [-\]: then w will s12
Eowyn [1d\]: You can drop one anytime
Ootakamoku [2d\]: now w n5 works tho
hobajons [-\]: then b will s17
bbio [5k\]: omg i just does not understand this game
Eowyn [1d\]: Too many stones!!!
]
;B[sg]C[Kretzsche [2k?\]: does he have to use his own time to collect?
Koons [1k\]: they stop clock for big captures
ThiGar [4k\]: a lot of byo yomi usede up to collect the stones
just9x9 [-\]: no kretzsche
]
;W[rh]C[herissondu [5d\]: hoba is drunk
Kretzsche [2k?\]: what if you exceed the limit during removal of dead stones?
odnihs [-\]: you can stop clock when capturing more than 2 stones
hobajons [-\]: ...
Kretzsche [2k?\]: ah
Eowyn [1d\]: I think you can stop the time if it is more than 3 stones
charkysan [-\]: s17?
just9x9 [-\]: more than 2 or three captured, you can stop the clock
Warfreak2 [4d\]: s17 r17 t17 tesuji
odnihs [-\]: maybe 3
Stanfield [8k\]: B n5?
sedgwick [5d?\]: b get only r15 three stones, cannot kill corner?
Eyeandeye [2d?\]: i think if there are more than x number of stones the clock gets stopped to collect them, no?
]
;B[rc]C[just9x9 [-\]: kill corner
Warfreak2 [4d\]: t17 is funny
Ootakamoku [2d\]: after this tesuji b plays n5
fghfgh: s17 s18 tesuji
Koons [1k\]: why do they not fight over n5?
hobajons [-\]: ko for corner again lol
Eowyn [1d\]: n5 here
herissondu [5d\]: that"s a ko
Warfreak2 [4d\]: if s18 then t18
sedgwick [5d?\]: w m9 am problem for b?
cbc [?\]: I am entertained
Eowyn [1d\]: and then w has lots of ko threats
]
;W[eo]C[Kamoro [?\]: I smell a squeeze
Ootakamoku [2d\]: ...
Stanfield [8k\]: if white gets the corner to live or connect at N6, he wins
Kamoro [?\]: spoke too late
jaskdjkasl: this game is awesome
just9x9 [-\]: threat before ko?
just9x9 [-\]: dont get this 
Javaness [2d\]: will white take the ko threat first
served [3d\]: timesuji?
Eowyn [1d\]: prepares of n5
Stanfield [8k\]: he's waiting before godly h2
]
;B[hp]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: top right corner is dead without ko
seishiro [2k\]: how much time does both player have?
coolmoves: b is still winning
Stanfield [8k\]: both in ot
Stanfield [8k\]: black is on his final byo yomi i believe
Ootakamoku [2d\]: warfreak, r17 t17 s18 t18 r19 q18 t19 
Stanfield [8k\]: white has 2 periods
seishiro [2k\]: ah thanks 
just9x9 [-\]: oh i see planning on forcing b to take out g3, using yose aji before
]
;W[qc]C[rinkaio [1k\]: what are b threats seriously ?
USGO1 [-\]: w 2/40, w 1/40
RiskHanbai [4k\]: w wins
sedgwick [5d?\]: really, seeems ko?
rinkaio [1k\]: unwinable ko
goBum [?\]: wow 1 left
RiskHanbai [4k\]: the ko seems good t owin
RiskHanbai [4k\]: w
just9x9 [-\]: t17?
Stanfield [8k\]: white willl win if he wins ko or lives in top right
]
;B[sc]C[USGO1 [-\]: 1 sec to play
Stanfield [8k\]: miai, w wins
darkronin [3k\]: T17?
sedgwick [5d?\]: t17, s18, t18, r19
snowman [-\]: white lives anyway
just9x9 [-\]: still ko then
Warfreak2 [4d\]: t17 tesuji, so b can t18
]
;W[rb]C[Javaness [2d\]: still ko
tbundle [4d?\]: just alive, no?
Emanon [2k\]: w only needs to win n5 ko that enough
Malingo [3d\]: s18 t18 s19 
Eowyn [1d\]: yes w alive
Stanfield [8k\]: yeah Im surpirsed n5 hasn't been taken yet
Bombil [3k\]: who won last game?
color [6k\]: T18-R19
ThiGar [4k\]: t18 r19 
]
;B[mo]C[Eowyn [1d\]: t18 s19
Stanfield [8k\]: there it is
bbio [5k\]: Bombil> ryan did, during preliminaries
herissondu [5d\]: that's a ko
just9x9 [-\]: strange timing
rinkaio [1k\]: game over for b
just9x9 [-\]: why not t18 before?
Emanon [2k\]: s18 was just bad
sedgwick [5d?\]: b should have t18 first?
RiskHanbai [4k\]: m9 
]
;W[ir]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: n2
color [6k\]: ko
Javaness [2d\]: fed up with ko now
]
;B[hr]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: I cant read kill
Ootakamoku [2d\]: here
Pempu [3d\]: a4 a3 b3 classic
Ootakamoku [2d\]: w looks alive
]
;W[mr]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: ko alive anyways
jaskdjkasl: ko
TuLy [3k\]: res soon
rinkaio [1k\]: w is alive
sedgwick [5d?\]: hard ko for b to play though
]
;B[nr]
;W[ls]C[Kretzsche [2k?\]: now k15 is big enough?
goBum [?\]: w k6 too
Eowyn [1d\]: resign?
sedgwick [5d?\]: w can win it giving up top right, and get g3
rinkaio [1k\]: resign
]
;B[is]C[herissondu [5d\]: it's not voer yet
Ootakamoku [2d\]: l3 bigger than topright
]
;W[js]C[Eowyn [1d\]: w also local ko threats like p3
psygo [3k\]: SE says black has to kill top and bottom to win
mmmd [3k\]: SE can't handle aga rules though
]
;B[jr]C[mattw0520 [2k?\]: SE doesn't work with aga
ThiGar [4k\]: m9
]
;W[lk]C[bbio [5k\]: se is kyu level
snowman [-\]: h1 capture will be senteish...
darkronin [3k\]: Se is ddk level
awesome [3k\]: se is otherwise great though
goBum [?\]: what is super ko?
rs2 [10k\]: Can somebody concisely summarize key differences between AGA and Japanese rules?
mattw0520 [2k?\]: se only "works" for jpn counting
indianayk [5d?\]: this is not aga rule
]
;B[ll]
;W[ir]C[psygo [3k\]: aga rules and japanese rules dont usually diverge that much in scoring
Ootakamoku [2d\]: ignore
pwnnuki [1d\]: it is aga rules with japanese counting
Eowyn [1d\]: Come on... Show me a kyu who is capable of killing 2 eyed groups... You just envy SE
mattw0520 [2k?\]: yes, it is, indiana. options > rules
TuLy [3k\]: o1
Ootakamoku [2d\]: there is no move worth answering
just9x9 [-\]: t18
goBum [?\]: uaw
vdust [-\]: o1 not a threat. Then white just h1.
Stanfield [8k\]: T18?
color [6k\]: k16
color [6k\]: 15
]
;B[sb]C[indianayk [5d?\]: it says it's japanese
darkronin [3k\]: Wow later m10 is threat
bbio [5k\]: aw
]
;W[hs]C[bbio [5k\]: the end
NewGo2012 [10k\]: Q5
Eowyn [1d\]: h1 sente
bbio [5k\]: ryan is awesome
darkronin [3k\]: Wut
RiskHanbai [4k\]: sente
mattw0520 [2k?\]: that's odd. says it is aga for me
darkronin [3k\]: Awesome
snowman [-\]: this has a faint sound of arimasen somewhere
]
;B[qb]C[jwc [-\]: another ko?
rs2 [10k\]: Complete AGA rules with few mods: http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-results-2014#results
]
;W[gr]C[RiskHanbai [4k\]: no
RiskHanbai [4k\]: b corner
RiskHanbai [4k\]: must live
Stanfield [8k\]: white still has more points
Eowyn [1d\]: g12 ahem g12
Ootakamoku [2d\]: b can keep it all, by throwin in
hobajons [-\]: close game
MrMatou [3k\]: Xhy black don't resign ? 
Ootakamoku [2d\]: w takes first tho, and again, no threats
Eowyn [1d\]: first m10 of course
Dalan [-\]: so it would have been better for b to just not connect at n5?
Stanfield [8k\]: white wins!
]
;B[fr]
;W[gs]C[germgo [-\]: k6
rinkaio [1k\]: w alive sente
Eowyn [1d\]: b center is dead
acuflow [4d\]: that's it
Ootakamoku [2d\]: now k6 and then ko
]
;B[jn]C[hobajons [-\]: how is b center dead lol
Stanfield [8k\]: what happens to the tornament if ryan wins?
ThiGar [4k\]: w q9 big
Stanfield [8k\]: is he pro?
hobajons [-\]: w will b3
mattw0520 [2k?\]: he needs to win one more
Eowyn [1d\]: oh didnt see k5 gives another eye
]
;W[ro]C[Stanfield [8k\]: against who?
jwc [-\]: b3?
bbio [5k\]: Stanfield> if ryan wins, ther is 2-0 for ryan. He needs a 3rd victory to get pro
bbio [5k\]: against eric lui
RiskHanbai [4k\]: m10 is important
]
;B[qo]C[rinkaio [1k\]: eowyn there is f13 too
USGO1 [-\]: 1 sec to play
Herod [-\]: This is the second game of a best-of-five match
Huldioho [6k\]: who wins?
awesome [3k\]: and eric must win 3 in a row?
bbio [5k\]: yes
Eyeandeye [2d?\]: just 3
]
;W[rn]C[awesome [3k\]: tough
Huldioho [6k\]: i dont know about aga rules
bbio [5k\]: it will be hard against ryan, ryan only lost 1 match since the beginning of the tournament
]
;B[rp]C[Kretzsche [2k?\]: how many did eric lose?
goBum [?\]: oh to who
zampa [3k\]: the same for eric
zampa [3k\]: eric only lost one game too versus rian.
zampa [3k\]: ryan*
bbio [5k\]: eric gonna have a second lost soon
Ootakamoku [2d\]: f1?
mattw0520 [2k?\]: aga rules are basically jpn rules with pass stones to keep territory scoring and area scoring the same
]
;W[lj]C[jaskdjkasl: I can't remeber how ryan performed last year qual tournament
x0000 [-\]: I think b is ahead
Kamoro [?\]: and superko
seishiro [2k\]: i though aga rules is like chinese rules?
Tomer [4k\]: Am I counting completely wrong? I count b+4ish
Stanfield [8k\]: b is not ahead
Tomer [4k\]: japanese counting*
]
;B[lh]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: seishiro, yes, its like chinese rules, except there is passtone, so that you can count is using japanese counting if u want
ThiGar [4k\]: q9
hasu [6d\]: how does b respond to w b3?
just9x9 [-\]: status of LL? can w get seki? 
Huldioho [6k\]: w dead or alive up right?
Eudoxe [1k\]: In AGA rule you can count with either japanese or chinese scoring but by default they use japanese
Stanfield [8k\]: I was gunna say w b3
goBum [?\]: se killing korner
hobajons [-\]: i said taht eralier xD
Dalan [-\]: f12?
]
;W[ns]C[goBum [?\]: what is superko
hasu [6d\]: f12 sente
Warfreak2 [4d\]: it's the best kind of go
Warfreak2 [4d\]: ko
Kamoro [?\]: ko you can't repeat the last position
Ootakamoku [2d\]: gobum, its a super good ko
]
;B[or]C[Kamoro [?\]: superko you can't repeat ANY previous position
Dalan [-\]: is it bad timing to play it hasu?
epsilon3 [2d\]: a ko that can leap tall buildings in a single bound
hasu [6d\]: whichone?
Javaness [2d\]: There are 3 types of superko 
Dalan [-\]: f12
TDK [1d?\]: who's winning and who should resign?
just9x9 [-\]: superko, batko and spiderko
]
;W[sh]C[hasu [6d\]: O10 first, then f12
Eowyn [1d\]: Some super ko positions also include 2 stones captures which you cant see in a normal ko rule
Kretzsche [2k?\]: if you repeat the position in superko, do you lose or do you have to restore the previous board position?
charkysan [-\]: no one should resign, since it's still close
rinkaio [1k\]: w+ 27
Warfreak2 [4d\]: you can't repeat the position, it's like a ko, illegal move
Stanfield [8k\]: no lol
Stanfield [8k\]: not w+27
]
;B[sf]C[awesome [3k\]: you immediately lose if you play an illegal move
Ootakamoku [2d\]: so, what happens from w f1?
mattw0520 [2k?\]: charky, ovbviously you haven't been to kgs kibitz before. everyone should resign at all points of a game
hobajons [-\]: w isnot up by 27
Warfreak2 [4d\]: on kgs you can't play an illegal move
Warfreak2 [4d\]: IRL, nobody will notice that you repeated the position because superko is hard
]
;W[ar]C[indianayk [5d?\]: t14 not necessary
hobajons [-\]: gg
awesome [3k\]: should be an option though
just9x9 [-\]: a2 wow
ThiGar [4k\]: Kretzsche, you lose
indianayk [5d?\]: nvm
Ootakamoku [2d\]: smells like oldschool carpenter kill
TDK [1d?\]: kgs will probably crash if you make a long enough game tree
goBum [?\]: sounds interesting 
sedgwick [5d?\]: a2 is the natural move here for sure
hobajons [-\]: b 3
Eowyn [1d\]: Shouting resign is obligated thing to do in KGS kibitz by at least one of the audience
hobajons [-\]: b wil b3
rinkaio [1k\]: w+ 40 if he kills 
hobajons [-\]: then he will f1
hobajons [-\]: then d1
]
;B[bq]C[hobajons [-\]: called it
Eowyn [1d\]: it is written in KGC chat policy
psygo [3k\]: why didnt he play f1 long ago?
jaskdjkasl: a superko game has been played on kgs today
Ootakamoku [2d\]: f1 b1 
ThiGar [4k\]: no need to notice right away, it can be done by referees quielty after the game 
hasu [6d\]: is Ryan from Canada?
USGO2 [-\]: another move on the count of 9
mkeller [1d\]: yes
bbio [5k\]: yes hasu
mkeller [1d\]: vancouver
]
;W[br]C[hasu [6d\]: thanks
wsn [4k\]: b is good at this
sedgwick [5d?\]: Yes, grew up in Vancouver, at University in Toronto these days
bbio [5k\]: how old is he ?
color [6k\]: f1
snowman [-\]: final ripoff
Warfreak2 [4d\]: f1 j1 b1?
hobajons [-\]: sseki
psygo [3k\]: but f1 is atari
Koons [1k\]: good color Chris, keeping up the drama
hobajons [-\]: not j1
hobajons [-\]: i mean
hobajons [-\]: b1
base [-\]: wait, canada is a real place, not a place of unicores and elves?
]
;B[fs]C[MrMatou [3k\]: seki i think
x0000 [-\]: f1 j1 d1 
hobajons [-\]: if b b2 he just dies
]
;W[is]C[hasu [6d\]: f1 d1 is seki
hobajons [-\]: he has to d1
Horse [8k\]: is that a seki ?
hobajons [-\]: mhm
jaskdjkasl: you'll see soon
Ootakamoku [2d\]: ko for seki
Stanfield [8k\]: B will be dissappointed with seki I think
Eowyn [1d\]: if you see a unicorn lives in the snow, so that's the place.. Canada
Warfreak2 [4d\]: c1 is better than d1
x0000 [-\]: or maybe c1 ?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: oh, no ko
Ootakamoku [2d\]: just seki
]
;B[cs]C[Timk [1d\]: it is seki, no ?
TuLy [3k\]: c1
Warfreak2 [4d\]: poor b
]
;W[bs]C[rinkaio [1k\]: w+60
rinkaio [1k\]: ok i stop
Eowyn [1d\]: this is like shouting the dead
Ootakamoku [2d\]: sente seki if w willing to play ko :)
Eowyn [1d\]: or shooting :) pfff
]
;B[ds]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: e1 for ridiculous ko
Stanfield [8k\]: B resign tho?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: aww
darkronin [3k\]: Why poor b?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: because his beautiful corner territory is no more
ThiGar [4k\]: does q9 capture p8 & r8?
Meto [2d\]: e3
rinkaio [1k\]: because he is loosing
]
;W[nj]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: dakronin, b lost territory in bottom left, pretty big deal
Stanfield [8k\]: O10
Stanfield [8k\]: who called O10 80 moves ago?
RiskHanbai [4k\]: capturing r12 in sente
goBum [?\]: mehhh
Gengiskhan [2d\]: it was 80 moves too early stanfield
]
;B[oi]C[GoRookie [6k\]: B a3
base [-\]: close game
Stanfield [8k\]: hehe
jwc [-\]: w f12 sente
goBum [?\]: lol
RiskHanbai [4k\]: :/
]
;W[kg]C[darkronin [3k\]: Thanks
x0000 [-\]: w+8,5
Stanfield [8k\]: it wasnt me, but someone said it. and I think he deserves his acolades
jaskdjkasl: dead?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: such massive yose for w
Horse [8k\]: eh, is that dead 
wsn [4k\]: no
hobajons [-\]: no
Kretzsche [2k?\]: b has f12?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: not dead
Eowyn [1d\]: not dead but injured
]
;B[kh]C[hobajons [-\]: it was always there for w
Horse [8k\]: ah right
Ootakamoku [2d\]: l12 f12 k5 g13 h13 h12 g12 
mattw0520 [2k?\]: stan, the timing of a move is very important in go
hobajons [-\]: n10
sinprejic [1d?\]: seems dead after w g13
hobajons [-\]: no
]
;W[fh]C[rinkaio [1k\]: not dead k5 or f12
Warfreak2 [4d\]: w misses g13
hobajons [-\]: b has k5
wsn [4k\]: k5
mkeller [1d\]: k5 
]
;B[jo]C[base [-\]: this puts white ahead
ThiGar [4k\]: q9
Warfreak2 [4d\]: but i guess not much difference
Stanfield [8k\]: isn't it w+30 ish now?
hobajons [-\]: w has been ahead
wsn [4k\]: just a squeez
x0000 [-\]: no difference at all actually
mkeller [1d\]: it's pretty clear now
Tomer [4k\]: \]w~8ish
pandaman [5d\]: saves a ko threat
Tomer [4k\]: w+8ish*
RiskHanbai [4k\]: q9 
Warfreak2 [4d\]: difference is b leaves a gote on the board for b at g13
rinkaio [1k\]: stan it is what I said few minutes ago and u say no
]
;W[dd]C[Stanfield [8k\]: how can you guys read 4-8 and I'm reading 30-40?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: warfreak, w can exchange it anytime he wants in sente
hobajons [-\]: w has so much better endgame moes this game too
]
;B[ec]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: so b dont have that gote
hobajons [-\]: unfortunate
rinkaio [1k\]: a16
]
;W[ad]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: yes, oota
Warfreak2 [4d\]: but playing it in sente is different to not playing it
]
;B[ac]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: obviously b has a reverse sente if w doesn't play it
apina [1d\]: q9 not bigger?
ThiGar [4k\]: q9
rinkaio [1k\]: p9
Warfreak2 [4d\]: unless your theory of yose is that nobody ever plays reverse sente
Stanfield [8k\]: W+48.5
rinkaio [1k\]: q9
Ootakamoku [2d\]: my theory of yose is nobody makes a mistake
]
;W[gg]C[wsn [4k\]: b is being tortured
Warfreak2 [4d\]: playing reverse sente is not always the result of a mistake
psygo [3k\]: are you counting the top right dead, stan?
bbio [5k\]: se says w+52.5
Stanfield [8k\]: se is wrong
goBum [?\]: q9 just a present waiting to be picked
]
;B[hg]C[ThiGar [4k\]: SE unreliable
mattw0520 [2k?\]: w+9
]
;W[pk]C[bbio [5k\]: se never wrong
rinkaio [1k\]: when u say w+8 do u count the dead stones ?
UrriS [4k\]: but w +
awesome [3k\]: stan, se is a computer algorithm, it cannot be wrong
Ootakamoku [2d\]: warfreak, that is true, but since you are arguying there is potential gain for b in having that reverse sente avaiable, Im arguing as w has right to remove it, in sente, only way b can profit from the availability of that reverse sente is that w makes a mistake
Stanfield [8k\]: matt, where are you pulling that score out of?
TuLy [3k\]: res
Tomer [4k\]: now I think w+12 or so
Warfreak2 [4d\]: when did i argue there is a potential gain?
mattw0520 [2k?\]: counting the board, stan
Illyria [?\]: looks like w is up by around 30 to me
Warfreak2 [4d\]: [citation needed\]
ThiGar [4k\]: every computer program buggy, but the very simplests
Stanfield [8k\]: Tomer are you forgetting w has like 20 captures?
Illyria [?\]: those captures are huge
]
;B[aq]C[hobajons [-\]: lai le
goBum [?\]: u 2 go figure on pm
Needham [5k\]: how much time does black have now?
]
;W[es]C[Stanfield [8k\]: its still ot
will122166 [1d\]: haha
Eyeandeye [2d?\]: 32 is the new 20
will122166 [1d\]: another ko?
Stanfield [8k\]: 40 secs a move
Warfreak2 [4d\]: ko ko
ThiGar [4k\]: ko for seki
Rochedale [5k?\]: Wait, are they still playing?
Eowyn [1d\]: w + 18
will122166 [1d\]: I guess Ryan has nothing to lose
mmueller [4d\]: A4 first better
Stanfield [8k\]: game is over anyways
x0000 [-\]: w+16.5
bbio [5k\]: why w let that ko ?
]
;B[er]C[GoRookie [6k\]: Sac 2 for 4
goBum [?\]: cos this game is daebak
Kirit0 [6k\]: w+15,5
]
;W[ap]C[rinkaio [1k\]: w+30 
Ootakamoku [2d\]: w shoudl ahve played a4 before e1
mmueller [4d\]: A4 first, then E1 as ko threat
]
;B[ao]C[Kretzsche [2k?\]: and this is where he played the auto atari,,,
bert [2d?\]: e19 
UrriS [4k\]: h12 
Meto [2d\]: h12
awesome [3k\]: yeah atari!
]
;W[rr]
;B[qr]
;W[ap]
;B[po]
;W[oo]
;B[ao]C[color [6k\]: c18
Stanfield [8k\]: h12 still
]
;W[os]C[rinkaio [1k\]: h12
Ootakamoku [2d\]: so many ko threats
]
;B[ps]
;W[ms]
;B[oq]
;W[ap]
;B[pn]
;W[pm]C[jaskdjkasl: they must be exhausted
]
;B[ao]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: rly b wants to push at q6?!?
]
;W[sp]C[ThiGar [4k\]: t19
]
;B[sq]C[Stanfield [8k\]: B desperate
bert [2d?\]: w  will make another seki
]
;W[ap]C[Kirit0 [6k\]: k15 
rinkaio [1k\]: m14
psygo [3k\]: this has become morally disturbing
will122166 [1d\]: can Eric come back and beat Ryan 3 times in a row?
]
;B[so]C[Eowyn [1d\]: p10
Kretzsche [2k?\]: hopefully
]
;W[ea]C[USGO1 [-\]: 1 sec to play'
jotty [2d?\]: whats the pay out for eric win 3 in a row to win this
bbio [5k\]: ryan never lost 3 time in a row in his entire life
]
;B[da]C[MaLa [4d?\]: sure
]
;W[fa]C[TuLy [3k\]: W+R
Kretzsche [2k?\]: about time i would say
snowman [-\]: and history predicts the future...
]
;B[cb]C[jaskdjkasl: as statistics teach
]
;W[ao]C[goBum [?\]: about time to sleep
mkeller [1d\]: w sure is tenacious
rinkaio [1k\]: w+26
bbio [5k\]: you can't sleep
bbio [5k\]: next match soon
zampa [3k\]: w reall ywants to be pro.
Jermelle [?\]: ofc he does
Kretzsche [2k?\]: for these two again?
color [6k\]: good game :)
will122166 [1d\]: yeah
goBum [?\]: yup
will122166 [1d\]: they will play again
Kretzsche [2k?\]: poor boys
TuLy [3k\]: great game :)
Jermelle [?\]: gg
goBum [?\]: next game important match
bbio [5k\]: they play again in 2 hours
USGO1 [-\]: b loses on time
MrMatou [3k\]: gg thank for the review YDGO
mattw0520 [2k?\]: gg
jaskdjkasl: uh
xedover [?\]: next game (shown here in your local timezone): <gmt>2015-01-09 21:00</gmt>
Seagal [1k\]: :(
ThiGar [4k\]: the humiliation given by white for hours is not at all in the pro spirit
Kretzsche [2k?\]: unfortunate, he put a great fight
rinkaio [1k\]: thanks
Jermelle [?\]: he would have lost anyway
mattw0520 [2k?\]: ty for scribing
USGO1 [-\]: thanks for watching
Ootakamoku [2d\]: aargh
color [6k\]: bye bye
Horse [8k\]: thanks
bert [2d?\]: thx
mkeller [1d\]: well done ryan
jaskdjkasl: was b surely behind?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: I want to watch the next game too, but its too late :(
USGO1 [-\]: next round at 4p (just over 2 hrs from now
Koons [1k\]: good job chris
goBum [?\]: daebak!! (awesome)
ThiGar [4k\]: thx usgo1
Illyria [?\]: thanks usgo1
USGO1 [-\]: thanks; exciting!
will122166 [1d\]: hey Chris
will122166 [1d\]: thanks!
darkronin [3k\]: Thanks
will122166 [1d\]: it's William Luff
agony [5k\]: two such games in one day - that's rough!
ouch: Thanks will
USGO1 [-\]: hey will; coming by this afternoon?
will122166 [1d\]: not sure yet. The weather isn't the best.
will122166 [1d\]: though it seems to have cleared up some
will122166 [1d\]: let me ask my friends
ouch: will you are 1d on kgs?
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