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GN[3rd AGA Pro Quals - Ryan Li vs Jeremy Chiu]PW[Ryan Li]PB[Jeremy Chiu]WR[7d]BR[6d]DT[2015-01-08]EV[3rd AGA Pro Qualification Tournament - Knockout bracket]RO[2]PC[Hull, MA, where it was -4F this morning]US[Andrew Jackson]C[USGO2 [-\]: Hello and welcome back to the AGA's continuing coverage of our 3rd Pro Qualification Tournament
USGO2 [-\]: I'm andrew jackson and i'll be your game recorder this evening
USGO2 [-\]: The players this evening are Ryan Li & Jeremy Chiu
USGO2 [-\]: this is the 2nd game of their best of three match, the first having occurred during the round robin section
USGO2 [-\]: the score stands 1-0 in favor of Ryan
USGO2 [-\]: We'll start at 4:00 sharp
USGO2 [-\]: The room is quiet; no other games this evening than this one, so a small knot of folks are reviewing a game from the morning and otherwise....
Jermelle [?\]: Must be dramatic
USGO2 [-\]: eh, not really
USGO2 [-\]: i'd say peaceful
Jermelle [?\]: Oh
USGO2 [-\]: the other players have a bye this evening
USGO2 [-\]: so there's not a lot of tension
USGO2 [-\]: and Ryan seems very relaxed, looking at an earlier game with Mark Lee
Jermelle [?\]: I could never figure out how people can be so calm in important matches like thi
Jermelle [?\]: *this
USGO2 [-\]: practice, i guess :)
CieCie [2d?\]: Jerm, every play sports?
Jermelle [?\]: yes
CieCie [2d?\]: like wrestling or tennis?
Esquisse [8d\]: when will this tournament ever end ?
Jermelle [?\]: basketball and Martial Arts
pwnnuki [1d\]: good luck to both players!
CieCie [2d?\]: When Ryan wins
AndreyL [2d\]: how come mark lee is not taking part in this session?
CieCie [2d?\]: lol
CieCie [2d?\]: well 1v1 sports especially MA you need to be composed to fight well no?
USGO2 [-\]: Jeff offers to let them start early
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[pd]C[sedgwick [5d?\]: If Ryan wins tonight, and both games tomorrow then tomorrow could do it, otherwise 1-2 games on Saturday could be needed
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;W[dp]
;B[qp]
;W[dc]C[sedgwick [5d?\]: Mark Lee unlikely to be USA/Canadian citizen...
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;B[fq]
;W[cn]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: the tournament will only end once everyone in the USA is a pro
USGO2 [-\]: but ryan asks that they wait until 4:00 precisely
Esquisse [8d\]: must be annoying for some players to have to stop working for a week
sinojos [8k?\]: fast out of the box for such an important game
Warfreak2 [4d\]: working?
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;B[lq]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: what's that
Jermelle [?\]: The only time I start late for a game is when I need tp calm down
Jermelle [?\]: *to
USGO2 [-\]: Jeremy is 12, and ryan is 20
USGO2 [-\]: 20?
sedgwick [5d?\]: What most of us should be doing instead of watching this game :)
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;W[qj]
;B[qf]
;W[qm]C[pwnnuki [1d\]: usgo1 eh
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;B[pn]C[CieCie [2d?\]: dk i think Ryan is determind
USGO2 [-\]: never heard of him
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;W[qn]
;B[qo]
;W[oo]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: lol
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;B[po]
;W[ol]C[zampa [3k\]: they played fairly fast up until now.
Warfreak2 [4d\]: easy to play fast from a textbook
CieCie [2d?\]: "both games" that depends if the TD thinks there is enough time
r0n1n [4k\]: what a weird joseki
sedgwick [5d?\]: Hevn't seen b q5 recently much, n5 more common?
tchitchi [2d\]: i'm not sure about q5
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;B[op]C[USGO2 [-\]: if ryan wins, his final with eric is a best of 5
r0n1n [4k\]: that looks not good for b as i see it
CieCie [2d?\]: ah okay
Muttley [2k\]: eric already in final?
sedgwick [5d?\]: Doesn't Ryan start 1-0 in the final though?
CieCie [2d?\]: yes
CieCie [2d?\]: yes
Muttley [2k\]: thx
Esquisse [8d\]: so looong
USGO2 [-\]: http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-results-2014#results
sedgwick [5d?\]: Isn't the Japanese pro exam 1 month long or so?
anewtry [1d\]: go  jeremy'
Muttley [2k\]: yes, they don't like to rush things
CieCie [2d?\]: more excited to see a bo5 instead of this lol
Esquisse [8d\]: but you don't play against the same dude 5 times
mkeller [1d\]: On phone here, Ryan is b?
Muttley [2k\]: no
anewtry [1d\]: ryan is w
Muttley [2k\]: w vs. Jeremy Chiu, who is 12
CieCie [2d?\]: jeremy is b
Esquisse [8d\]: and you actually gain something by being pro in japan :)
mkeller [1d\]: Thanks
CieCie [2d?\]: You gain from being aga pro too
anewtry [1d\]: jeremy 12 years old? kidding?
CieCie [2d?\]: noi dont they are
Muttley [2k\]: Jermey sits back with a confident look on his face after playing P4.  He fiddles with his bowtie and strokes his beard, which he grew in kindergarten.
Esquisse [8d\]: much less
sinprejic [1d?\]: I have to say I really like this tournament structure. Every player gets a minimum of 8 games to proove themselves. One bad game early on isn't a complete tragedy.
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;W[jd]C[killmejk [4k\]: lol
humblelife [-\]: i actually laughed at that one
odnihs [-\]: unfair to compare systems where one has an extra century or two of history
killmejk [4k\]: i wish i had a beard in kindergarten
CieCie [2d?\]: You know Esquisse its easy to put don a system that started 3 years ago
Muttley [2k\]: I wouldn't know, never played a bad game
Muttley [2k\]: ok, I'll stop at this point
CieCie [2d?\]: lol muttley
Muttley [2k\]: their game in the qualifier was very short
mkeller [1d\]: Also, the aga pro system has to start somewhere
Muttley [2k\]: Jermey was smoothly outplayed and lost quickly
Esquisse [8d\]: just heard that korea isn't going to give as much support as predicted that's all
CieCie [2d?\]: what O.o
Esquisse [8d\]: but it was last year, perhaps it has changed
CieCie [2d?\]: how does that hve to do with japans?
USGO2 [-\]: it has.
Warfreak2 [4d\]: don't worry, coca-cola will sponsor major US pro go tournaments
CieCie [2d?\]: wouldnt doubtf they did lol
sinojos [8k?\]: wal-mart go tourney
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;B[cf]C[redreoicy [3d\]: i think gopro should sponsor pro go 
ResIpsa [3d\]: Ryan's Crazywind account is still online?
mkeller [1d\]: Most of the Korean baduk stuff in English is really awkward
Esquisse [8d\]: coca cola to the people : look, if you play go and drink coca cola, you'll use the sugar in a good way
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;W[cd]C[killmejk [4k\]: lol
killmejk [4k\]: c14?
killmejk [4k\]: thecaptain is on to?
CieCie [2d?\]: mkeller learn ekorean then
mkeller [1d\]: Subtitled shows are OK, but all the things aimed at a western audience are so weird
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;B[ci]
;W[ck]
;B[ef]
;W[dg]C[sedgwick [5d?\]: Wierd how?  They seem good to me
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;B[df]C[CieCie [2d?\]: i want d2
Euphony [6k\]: zhou was upset after losing to the 12-year-old ?
Esquisse [8d\]: j4 good point <.<
CieCie [2d?\]: and h4 
CieCie [2d?\]: eww j4 
USGO2 [-\]: no, zhou was unphased
CieCie [2d?\]: ll
Euphony [6k\]: why did he withdraw?
odnihs [-\]: family emergency
Euphony [6k\]: ahh ok. thx
pwnnuki [1d\]: :/
CieCie [2d?\]: ah :(
Jermelle [?\]: I thought he withdrew because he lost
anewtry [1d\]: really? so sad
Jermelle [?\]: i'd do the same 
CieCie [2d?\]: ...
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;W[bh]C[Jermelle [?\]: but I do feel bad for him, he did well
USGO2 [-\]: kind of lucky, actually.  worse if the emergency was a day earlier
USGO2 [-\]: if there's going to be one...
USGO2 [-\]: anyway, b12!  surprised me
CieCie [2d?\]: optimistic in a weird way
Euphony [6k\]: cool move though
flatwhite [5k?\]: b11 for black?
flatwhite [5k?\]: where to play for black?
CieCie [2d?\]: sttandard
U [?\]: b12 is a normal shape there but i guess the question is whether now is right timing
USGO2 [-\]: i expected f16 or g16 first
Jermelle [?\]: lol aint nobody got time for timing
CieCie [2d?\]: its simple U Ryan wants the oits
flatwhite [5k?\]: where should white play after b11?
pokale [2d?\]: so slow
CieCie [2d?\]: te 4 points he would have gotten
sinojos [8k?\]: the oits?
mkeller [1d\]: I thought you play the probe to work out whether to play f16 or not
Euphony [6k\]: black plays f16 area now?
CieCie [2d?\]: poinyts
Benzene [3d\]: d12 c13 e13 b14 f11 
pwnnuki [1d\]: in theory b can c12 c13 b13 and sac squeeze but I dunno
CieCie [2d?\]: this lap making thing difficult to type
pokale [2d?\]: usgo2 tell them to play faster i don't have much time to watch this
CieCie [2d?\]: top*
chea7er [9d?\]: lol pokale
anewtry [1d\]: i guess if ryan wins then the final will be bo5
Jermelle [?\]: lol pokale
flatwhite [5k?\]: what about c13?
flatwhite [5k?\]: can black play that one
CieCie [2d?\]: bo3 tecnically for ryan only needs to win 2 more but 3 for Lui
chea7er [9d?\]: this group looks bad for b
agony [5k\]: d12?
U [?\]: actually because there were elim games that went to tiebreaker the final will be bo3 because of lack of time?
chea7er [9d?\]: it looks like he has to live small because he doesn't have the center base to play e11
U [?\]: thats what hka said yesterday at least
USGO2 [-\]: if ryan wins, the final will be Bo5
U [?\]: ok
bert [2d?\]: what is bo5?
agony [5k\]: best of 5
kadoban [-\]: best-of-5
Eowyn [1d\]: Box office 5
bert [2d?\]: tx
agony [5k\]: does that include the games from the preliminary rounds?
Eowyn [1d\]: aww man, you tell immediately...
USGO2 [-\]: yes
CieCie [2d?\]: is this the first or second game  jeremy
CieCie [2d?\]: vs*
U [?\]: they played in rr
xedover [?\]: in the round robin, everybody played each other once
xedover [?\]: that's the very definition of a round robin
pwnnuki [1d\]: I think c12 c13 b13 b14 a13 squeeze is pretty good for b here honestly
agony [5k\]: :)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: sometimes a round robin is just a spherical bird
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;B[dh]C[xedover [?\]: LOL
bert [2d?\]: why is it called robin?
USGO2 [-\]: no fair making me laugh!
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;W[cg]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: :>
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;B[eg]
;W[bf]C[sinprejic [1d?\]: I like this w. Seems like the solidness of the upper left is being used effectively
CieCie [2d?\]: you now what i ean....
Warfreak2 [4d\]: oh goody, i have the power to disturb this game via the internet
Horse [8k\]: f11 ?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i'm the banana.
USGO2 [-\]: ._.
Eowyn [1d\]: And robin is a  bird
flatwhite [5k?\]: this seems sorta bad for black?
chea7er [9d?\]: not fond of b here
pwnnuki [1d\]: this shape is crap
chea7er [9d?\]: ^
CieCie [2d?\]: its a round bird
humblelife [-\]: so should b have d10 instead, or did ryan invent a new fuseki pattern?
Horse [8k\]: is tenuki a good option for black
chea7er [9d?\]: no
CieCie [2d?\]: it is?
Eowyn [1d\]: Tenuki seems awful for b
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;B[ej]C[CieCie [2d?\]: with a cut like thaat
kostuek [?\]: i like f17 tho
kadoban [-\]: Tenuki seems unpleasant, if you get cut there, you either have to give white a lot of points, or you have two weak groups together...not fun.
Euphony [6k\]: top now?
roy [4k\]: w G16
pwnnuki [1d\]: f16 or g16 would seem to balance somewhat
roy [4k\]: or N17?
Esquisse [8d\]: i'd j4 
CieCie [2d?\]: d2!
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;W[hq]C[Euphony [6k\]: bottom more urgent, yeah
pwnnuki [1d\]: you ain't 8d for nothin' esquisse
sinprejic [1d?\]: hmm I was thinking mabye black atari and then f11 instead of d10
Warfreak2 [4d\]: was kim myungwan going to comment on this game?
CieCie [2d?\]: j4 lacks killing potential snyways lol
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;B[dq]
;W[cq]
;B[cr]C[tinca [-\]: is this invasion is good for W?
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;W[eq]
;B[dr]
;W[ep]
;B[er]C[CieCie [2d?\]: invasion?? more like he spit a not so much moyo
Javaness [2d\]: no comment
Euphony [6k\]: seems like the stronger you are, the more the game resembles spontaneous combustion at random intervals with an undefined wait in-between. A flurry of moves, then a think.
CieCie [2d?\]: split*
bbio [5k\]: Who is b and who ' w ?
Javaness [2d\]: w=ryan li (canada)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: that's because they play sequences, not moves
Euphony [6k\]: ahh... right-o
Javaness [2d\]: b = jeremy chiu (usa)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: they think about the next sequence, and occasionally, they play a move
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;W[np]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: (rather than a sequence)
CieCie [2d?\]: go canada!
pwnnuki [1d\]: I love this hane
bbio [5k\]: Thank you Javaness
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i love chocolate, but this hane is probably in the top 10
tinca [-\]: not only a moyo can be invaded
Eowyn [1d\]: Banana
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i'm the banana.
pwnnuki [1d\]: if this hane were a candy bar it'd be a mounds bar for sure
USGO2 [-\]: pick me!
USGO2 [-\]: i am!
Warfreak2 [4d\]: ok, i pick usgo2
sedgwick [5d?\]: n4?
agony [5k\]: that's quite a powerful use of that useless looking p5 stone
bert [2d?\]: this hane could well be the 1st doubtful move w played in this game
Warfreak2 [4d\]: no, the hane is splendid
Euphony [6k\]: it works well with h3 stone
Warfreak2 [4d\]: doubt of the hane is treason
Eowyn [1d\]: How to proper answer? it is really tough move
CieCie [2d?\]: is that how you think bert in all your games?
tchitchi [2d\]: maybe it's the reason hy q5 ins't played often
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;B[no]C[Euphony [6k\]: give up stone
CieCie [2d?\]: that was the plan
Eowyn [1d\]: n4 perhaps
Tasky [3d\]: w will definitely not play p6 
USGO2 [-\]: w getting full value of p5
apina [1d\]: but can he play p3
apina [1d\]: doesn't look like it
tchitchi [2d\]: i would love to see this game live
Warfreak2 [4d\]: p3 is dangerous
sestir [2d\]: can he play n5?
sinprejic [1d?\]: to both players I think
Euphony [6k\]: why not just n5 response n4 type idea?
USGO2 [-\]: andy okun, aga prez, clatters the teacups and everyone glares at him
Warfreak2 [4d\]: p3 n4 q4 p6 and you have to live inside
kostuek [?\]: tenuki
USGO2 [-\]: except the players, who don't notice...
CieCie [2d?\]: LOL
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;W[bq]C[psygo [3k\]: trolling us
Grey28 [3d\]: o:
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i guess they won't notice you laughing, either, then
Euphony [6k\]: 'everyone' how many people besides players?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: *tickles*
nadoss [6k\]: did I miss the rematch with Burrell?
served [3d\]: yes, it was this morning
agony [5k\]: this sort of thing is also typical for high level games - start a sequence then interrupt it.
psygo [3k\]: yes
Euphony [6k\]: b3? What the heck? oh... it forces a response by black on bottom?
humblelife [-\]: the uper right helps w decide between b3 and f4. not that i understand it
Euphony [6k\]: cause black needs to help lower left group, right?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: if b ignores, probably w g2 peep and jump to h5
Eowyn [1d\]: yes
Warfreak2 [4d\]: b will be in a bit of danger
USGO2 [-\]: Matthew & Daniel, Will Luff the recorder and his friend, and Jeff the TD 
sinprejic [1d?\]: after o5, w knows which way he wants to play.
Eowyn [1d\]: and w's plan is to make h3 stronger before playing right again
pwnnuki [1d\]: n4 kind of heavy way to move I guess but if h3 is stronger from harassing e2 group then I guess it is better?
Euphony [6k\]: so that way it is like peep or testing move to see how black responds, in order to better have idea aabout o4 area?
crestfalen [1d\]: hehe black have 2 weak groups
sedgwick [5d?\]: if b had o3 instead of 03 for example, then w cannot ain to attack m3, and so f4 would make more sense
crestfalen [1d\]: seems easy game for white
sedgwick [5d?\]: o3 instead of o5
humblelife [-\]: thanks sedgwick
bert [2d?\]: g3 h4 h2 j2 g1 k3 f16 
Euphony [6k\]: I see Eowyn
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;B[gq]C[Eowyn [1d\]: h4?
sedgwick [5d?\]: Wow, 3 a surprise
Euphony [6k\]: yeah h4
sedgwick [5d?\]: g3
Euphony [6k\]: you mean g2?
USGO2 [-\]: sedgwick what did you expect?
sedgwick [5d?\]: After h4 b does have clean life with h2 and then f1, but that would be so painful...
sedgwick [5d?\]: I expect f4
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;W[hp]C[sedgwick [5d?\]: instead of g3
Warfreak2 [4d\]: doesn't need to f1
Warfreak2 [4d\]: h2 j2 g2 is ok
sedgwick [5d?\]: sure, yes, just connect also alive, anything will do
Warfreak2 [4d\]: f1 is much worse because you give both j1 in sente and also the seal at g4
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;B[mo]C[Eowyn [1d\]: wow
Warfreak2 [4d\]: this is playing with fire
Warfreak2 [4d\]: w just g2 now, it's not clear what b intends
pwnnuki [1d\]: b says "prove it"
sedgwick [5d?\]: h2 better than h2 I think
Lead210 [2k\]: b can escape with g5 or capture c3
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;W[go]
;B[br]C[USGO2 [-\]: w getting sente is enough, no?
Eowyn [1d\]: so w aims full scale attack to  e13 group
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;W[fi]C[Eowyn [1d\]: yeah :)
Eowyn [1d\]: Fun begins
pwnnuki [1d\]: difference between f11 protect and e10 protect showing itself here
kostuek [?\]: that a sad group
Eowyn [1d\]: w will get profit at top
bert [2d?\]: for some reason b thought n5 was more urgent
bbio [5k\]: I love Ryan style
CieCie [2d?\]: n5 was just bigger
Leonidas [2k\]: where is the Li - Burrall 3rd game?
CieCie [2d?\]: usgo3
U [?\]: if im reading the bracket right, the loser of this bo3 will meet ben to determine who gets 3rd place? and winner of this and lui are guaranteed top 2?
Leonidas [2k\]: ok thanks
CieCie [2d?\]: yes U
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;B[gi]C[Eowyn [1d\]: well i can understand b. imagine after g5 exchange, b didnt play n5 and w would attack m3 immediately
]
;W[fj]C[killmejk [4k\]: wait ben lost?
]
;B[fh]
;W[ei]C[CieCie [2d?\]: yes
U [?\]: ben lost to eric lui yes
killmejk [4k\]: noooooo
killmejk [4k\]: when?
pwnnuki [1d\]: this am
CieCie [2d?\]: whle you werent watching kill
Warfreak2 [4d\]: g11 is an astonishing move
bert [2d?\]: korean style
USGO2 [-\]: right?  not one i'd find.
USGO2 [-\]: not one i'd look for, either
miao [6d\]: if I was 12 I´d have played it right away
CieCie [2d?\]: lol
Warfreak2 [4d\]: a bit like your car keys
USGO2 [-\]: maybe that's it miao
CieCie [2d?\]: poor b
chea7er [9d?\]: does age have anything to do with go play? i know some kids who play really calm
Tasky [3d\]: is this really so good for b?
USGO2 [-\]: There may be Myungwan commentary here in another 15 minutes
USGO2 [-\]: not sure though
chea7er [9d?\]: its not good for b at all
Warfreak2 [4d\]: hooray!
Tasky [3d\]: the "tesuji" at g11 I mean
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i said it was astonishing, i didn't say it was good
Warfreak2 [4d\]: ryan should now be clearly leading
boutman: g10
steffen [1d\]: but what instead g11? e12 doesn't look to worse to me?
psygo [3k\]: b has now a big pile of no points to worry about... sad
kostuek [?\]: i thought f10 was leading to a fight there
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;B[gj]C[Euphony [6k\]: Maybe we end up with a 13-year-old pro next year...
overdedge [1k\]: is this really better than just answering f11 with e11? True b gets another peep but at least better than this....
Warfreak2 [4d\]: can w cut at g12 now?
sedgwick [5d?\]: The w wall around e3 seems to make e10 clearly better at f11
]
;W[fk]C[sinprejic [1d?\]: e12 I expected. but then w plays at top. This is about sente I think.
Warfreak2 [4d\]: if it's about sente then i don't see b getting sente
Warfreak2 [4d\]: needs to defend g12 cut
CieCie [2d?\]: Euphony you do realilze Eric Lui or Ryan will be back Next Year
bert [2d?\]: h16 for b now
boutman: h16
USGO2 [-\]: Ryan gets up and strides out
sedgwick [5d?\]: Not for sure
steffen [1d\]: building some center influence, but somehow weak, and safe points for w
Warfreak2 [4d\]: eric and ryan aren't 12 though, they won't improve as fast
CieCie [2d?\]: long strides?
sinprejic [1d?\]: I didn't say it was working out well :)
Tasky [3d\]: h13 imho
sedgwick [5d?\]: Jianing & Bill 2/3 last time, but scheduling for them means they cannot come
Warfreak2 [4d\]: g15 defends the cut, but doesn't reduce much
U [?\]: i was surprised that eric didnt perform well last year but hes back on track this year
svenkramer: this ugly group is a burden for the rest of the game
Leonidas [2k\]: this is the first game of best of 3, right?
DrStraw [-\]: 2nd
Illyria [?\]: second
bleen [1d\]: winner becomes pro?
Illyria [?\]: the round robin game counted as the first
Warfreak2 [4d\]: the spherical bird counts as the first game
JohnNothaf [?\]: is this the only one today current;y?
seig [?\]: how old is Jeremy?
CieCie [2d?\]: 21
pwnnuki [1d\]: n5 gained a lot for b but it sure gained for w too
USGO2 [-\]: the only game: most observers have filtered out and the room is silent
U [?\]: nto going to fix that ciecie?
U [?\]: ok, hes 12
CieCie [2d?\]: nah
steffen [1d\]: @svenkramer, thats a nice user name :) I would prefer bartswings
roy [4k\]: surely b will G17 now
CieCie [2d?\]: did it on porpuse
Warfreak2 [4d\]: g17? really?
JohnNothaf [?\]: ahh okay thanks usgo
Warfreak2 [4d\]: more groups, more problems
Eowyn [1d\]: That's why everyone is making noise in KGS :)
Tasky [3d\]: I think b has to protect g12 
USGO2 [-\]: how?
Lead210 [2k\]: g12 lol
CieCie [2d?\]: black hhas 2 cuts why would he tenuki roy
bleen [1d\]: why did they preeleminary when all of them play tournament again?
OneStone [6d\]: B e12 seems to be the only move, but then the exchange of g10 for f9 makes no sense.
Eowyn [1d\]: h13 maybe, b likes style :)
bleen [1d\]: i dont get it, sry
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;B[hf]C[Quinn [1k\]: ooo, H14
CieCie [2d?\]: giant moyo coming in
]
;W[eh]C[OneStone [6d\]: e12 is more senteish now.
Quinn [1k\]: boom cut
USGO2 [-\]: Ryan nods to himself
steffen [1d\]: g9!
Eowyn [1d\]: i think this cut is early, b attacks top
apina [1d\]: why h14?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: h14 is sort of inconsistent with defending now
Warfreak2 [4d\]: but b really wants to defend
Euphony [6k\]: why warfreak?
agony [5k\]: that's not a moyo, that's territory
Horse [8k\]: that cut is gote right ?
OneStone [6d\]: Suddenly, the game is kinda of a done deal.
sedgwick [5d?\]: w left side close to 60 pts now
Warfreak2 [4d\]: because if b plays g12 now, what is h14 for
apina [1d\]: now this is more sente than after g12 or g13
aa [3d\]: h14 looks bad now
Quinn [1k\]: White just got a massive amount of solid points
CieCie [2d?\]: I wuld still invade
steffen [1d\]: g9 for full attack or so :)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: he could play g12 first, and not have to answer the cut
sedgwick [5d?\]: Yes, hard to see how b can catch up
Warfreak2 [4d\]: g11 and h14 seem like two clear mistakes
sinprejic [1d?\]: w huge now. B can only hope to harass k16. but perhaps tough to do with g12 cut still there 
Warfreak2 [4d\]: maybe b is too nervous
aa [3d\]: w g12 , b h12 f13 f14 
basil [3d\]: time to kill k16
sedgwick [5d?\]: also hard becasue w can extend in 2 directions :)
CieCie [2d?\]: gl with that
Eowyn [1d\]: and w doesnt have any weak group now.. 
CieCie [2d?\]: only one direction to extend, death
CieCie [2d?\]: that stone must die
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i expect b cannot recover
Lead210 [2k\]: it really looks like h14 was made in shock after g11
Tasky [3d\]: I don't like how e12 got almost sente after h14 
bert [2d?\]: no use crying at spoilt milk
darkronin [3k\]: I wouldn't know how to deal if b just closes upper right corner right now. What is a good strategy? 
Ana1ysis [2k\]: cloes upper right?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: if b p17?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: just start endgame
Ana1ysis [2k\]: closes upper right would lose the game
tinca [-\]: miracle can always help
Illyria [?\]: clearly, all he has to do is make a large corner in the top right and also protect his middle group and reduce w's top all at once
kadoban [-\]: Just keep making points, white has more it seems
Quinn [1k\]: I feel like H14 was trying to be too clever, alas solid play can usually win the day
Illyria [?\]: easy
Ana1ysis [2k\]: b's hope is to use the wall and take top side
]
;B[ld]C[CieCie [2d?\]: Bam
darkronin [3k\]: Ok, thanks
Eowyn [1d\]: i would just g16 if b p17.. in this board , enclosing top corner seems irrelevant
Tasky [3d\]: b's wall is full of holes
sinprejic [1d?\]: and here comes the hrassment :)
critter [1k\]: w ~54 territory on left is almost a win
Illyria [?\]: what wall?
Euphony [6k\]: I liked h14 because I thought it defended the cut as long as white doesn't play g9 first, but alas, I am 6kyu
OneStone [6d\]: so if g12 h12 f13 f14 - that is the shape
CieCie [2d?\]: Tasky ... guess you dont understan sactactics
Tasky [3d\]: no, I don't
critter [1k\]: b ~ 30 on bottom, so b must keep whole upper right and get more
OneStone [6d\]: after that W g15 and j13 are peeps. So W would usually play a move that makes good shape with at least one of those peeps.
Esquisse [8d\]: h16 is enough to win the game
]
;W[gd]C[CieCie [2d?\]: h16 is enough to attack
Eowyn [1d\]: r17 is open anyway
redreoicy [3d\]: g16 aims to wedge at g14 later
OneStone [6d\]: g16 is not consistant with thise peeps, but it is generally a good move because it just links up.
critter [1k\]: b needs to shake up game
OneStone [6d\]: little to shake up
critter [1k\]: agree
Ana1ysis [2k\]: yeah, looks impossible
Eowyn [1d\]: something like j17 maybe?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: seems like g16 aims at g14 rather than g12 atari
OneStone [6d\]: q9 r9 ?
anewtry [1d\]: b is too much behind imo
Alife361 [?\]: h17
Brian [1d\]: Lui is still in?
Brian [1d\]: er, liu
Illyria [?\]: lui
Illyria [?\]: and yes
Brian [1d\]: doh
Brian [1d\]: thanks
anewtry [1d\]: he is already in final
OneStone [6d\]: g9 seems consistent with B's strategy
Illyria [?\]: liu is andy, he's already pro
Brian [1d\]: sorry, lui looked wrong when i wrote it.  but then when i thought "eric", lui sounded correct, again
anewtry [1d\]: hmm i thought you meant eric lui
Quinn [1k\]: certainly white getting g9 would be harsh
Brian [1d\]: i did mean eric lui.  anyway, i made a mistake
Illyria [?\]: tomorrow will be eric lui against whoever wins this match
Ana1ysis [2k\]: can someone explain m3 to me? 
OneStone [6d\]: Doesn't matter. Today's mistakes will be tomorrow's facts.
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;B[pk]C[critter [1k\]: tyring to shake up w
Hannoskaj [?\]: Good call Onestone
]
;W[qk]C[OneStone [6d\]: But there is no next move
anewtry [1d\]: what to explain about m3?
Ekibyo [6k?\]: hey guys can anyone send me a link to that website i want to see the go players faces^^
Ana1ysis [2k\]: generally m3 is played at l3
Oni [7k?\]: result table
OneStone [6d\]: if q8 q7 p7 r8 and nothing next
Ana1ysis [2k\]: i know it's not much different, but i'm just saying if we all bow down to professional fuseki...
anewtry [1d\]: m3 is a modern play
Ana1ysis [2k\]: yes okay then, well i haven't seen it before, hence why i asked if someone would explain it
Illyria [?\]: maybe something like q11?
CieCie [2d?\]: "professional fuseki"
kostuek [?\]: just start the endgame with h2 anyways :)
anewtry [1d\]: m3 is common in proffesional games currently
]
;B[pl]C[Astro [2k\]: ekibyo: the aga website is usgo.org
]
;W[pm]C[kadoban [-\]: Same basic idea, Ana1ysis. Just treats F3 a bit lighter and makes invasion near P4 slightly more difficult
OneStone [6d\]: Modern fusekis are mostly covered in http://www.kiseido.com/match.htm#K92
OneStone [6d\]: p7 is a must
sinojos [8k?\]: D12 froup like super B2
sinojos [8k?\]: F*12
Ana1ysis [2k\]: thanks kadoban
Astro [2k\]: sinojos: bH14 mkaes a cut on f11 tolerable
OneStone [6d\]: Incidentally, later W can play g2 f2 j2 a2 in sente. So he is aiming at m2 later to reduce the lower right area.
Astro [2k\]: *f12
USGO2 [-\]: Onestone, M2 is a long way from J2
OneStone [6d\]: therefore after B p7, W should not exchange o7 p6 
]
;B[om]
;W[ql]C[OneStone [6d\]: r8 is normal now
r0n1n [4k\]: i like w so far
]
;B[ok]C[Horse [8k\]: 5 in a row
]
;W[qh]C[psygo [3k\]: so... you like winning?
darkronin [3k\]: M2 has miai stuff to the right and p3 aji usto2
StarrySky [2k\]: g2 j2 a2 m2 ?
JohnNothaf [?\]: miai?
sinprejic [1d?\]: b time to solidify corner now?
Horse [8k\]: that white group looks alive
OneStone [6d\]: Yes, USGO, that's how J2 and M2 are still connected
]
;B[gk]C[psygo [3k\]: it is a live
OneStone [6d\]: g9 is a good move, of course
]
;W[gh]C[psygo [3k\]: alive*
OneStone [6d\]: g12 doesn't really help
Eowyn [1d\]: h12
OneStone [6d\]: h12 f13 f14 next
]
;B[fg]
;W[gl]C[Horse [8k\]: perhaps black can do something in the center
]
;B[hl]
;W[gm]C[OneStone [6d\]: ??? (I was gonna flood some more)
darkronin [3k\]: Miai  means that has 2 alternatives, e.g. right or left to develop as a next move john
Illyria [?\]: I think a lot of center points is the only way b comes back in this game
OneStone [6d\]: I don't understand f13 
JohnNothaf [?\]: thank you DR
critter [1k\]: meow means has 2 cats
whimsical [7k\]: b better do something in the centre after forcing w to take 7th line territory
Quinn [1k\]: OneStone, I had expected H12 instead as well
Illyria [?\]: but there are too many ways into the center for w
OneStone [6d\]: B must play h12 normally, but it seems that I am hugely out of touch with THEIR reality.
whimsical [7k\]: but how can b prevent w from interrupting any b moyo in center?
OneStone [6d\]: So Maybe B will play j10 or so
Oni [7k?\]: what time setting they have
Quinn [1k\]: yup, perhaps black can lean on the top and then  close on the right, but Ryan will never allow it
OneStone [6d\]: But h12 would be normal
psygo [3k\]: the corner is still open...
Illyria [?\]: 90 min. main, 5x40s byoyomi
sinprejic [1d?\]: not playing h12... g12 has a long way to run right now. I think, and black is hoping to gain a move relying on that. I guess
tchitchi [2d\]: why there isn't other ugo?
OneStone [6d\]: At least SE believes that B is leading by +23 pnts
tchitchi [2d\]: usgo*
USGO2 [-\]: other players have byes; this is the semifinals
Illyria [?\]: SE: silly estimator
Illyria [?\]: especially with AGA rules
USGO2 [-\]: finals can't start until this is resolved.
critter [1k\]: w ~59 on left + ~ 10 on right
tchitchi [2d\]: oh
Huldioho [6k\]: i would favor w
tchitchi [2d\]: so far, this is the most peaceful game of ryan
critter [1k\]: b ~40 on bottom + ~10 middle? + ~15 top?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: that is presumably because ryan has found no need to fight
Warfreak2 [4d\]: he has a lead without fighting
USGO2 [-\]: 40 on bottom seems high
]
;B[pi]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: 40 on bottom is a joke
OneStone [6d\]: q10 p10 p11 is possible?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: as is 10 in the middle
Quinn [1k\]: I'd be afraid of white pushing in from the top
USGO2 [-\]: 10 in the middle is doable
OneStone [6d\]: h12 would be normal, locally spoken
cbc [?\]: Gnugo says W+27; Glgo says B+13
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i'm sure b can play gotes to *make* 10 points in the middle, if he doesn't value sente
USGO2 [-\]: practically has 10 in the middle between {N,O}{6-9}
]
;W[hk]C[Hannoskaj [?\]: Anybody has a percentage by Crazystone, Zen or another MC bot?
OneStone [6d\]: We don't care at all what any software says about the score right now, except for solid territories
Warfreak2 [4d\]: that area is not surrounded on the left or from above
whimsical [7k\]: w invasion of upper r corner later, if b doesn't make a gote move there first?
OneStone [6d\]: Yes, W can invade at q17  or r17 
Prime [-\]: so, whos winning?
Illyria [?\]: white
Hannoskaj [?\]: w
OneStone [6d\]: but because of m16, w q17 doesn't look too good.
OneStone [6d\]: W is winning
Prime [-\]: i want the winner of this matchup to become pro
Warfreak2 [4d\]: q17 seems better than r17
Prime [-\]: whoever it is
darkronin [3k\]: Is q18 out of the question for white invasion?
OneStone [6d\]: yes
OneStone [6d\]: q18 q17 p18 r18 and W has no next move
darkronin [3k\]: Thanks
OneStone [6d\]: also W q17 r17 p17 r18 p16 q15 and B m16 is in a good spot
served [3d\]: time check?
sinprejic [1d?\]: hmm. 3-3 can be forced to run to center and then can be killed if b manages to collect enough power on the outside... but that is hard to acheive.  
OneStone [6d\]: B would normally think about j10 j9 k9 j8 j11 or so
]
;B[ik]C[OneStone [6d\]: No, sin. if r17 q17 q18 p18 s18 q19 r19 is ko
Warfreak2 [4d\]: q17 r17 p16 ?
Quinn [1k\]: black wants it all
]
;W[hj]C[USGO2 [-\]: w 69 minutes, b 22
]
;B[hi]
;W[ij]C[served [3d\]: thanks
]
;B[ii]
;W[jj]C[OneStone [6d\]: if B tries to kill unconditionally, then r17 q17 q18 p18 s18 s16 r16 s15, but W p17 will prove to be too much to handle for B
]
;B[jl]C[kadoban [-\]: That time used or remaining?
USGO2 [-\]: remaining
]
;W[ji]C[kadoban [-\]: Thanks
Warfreak2 [4d\]: b is getting surrounded here
sinprejic [1d?\]: onestone r17 q18 etc
OneStone [6d\]: So B is perfectly aware that his normal sequence is not good enough
]
;B[hh]C[OneStone [6d\]: Not that B has no move now
CieCie [2d?\]: be funny to see Jeremy in 5 games in a row
whimsical [7k\]: surrounded perhaps, but not surround-dead
Prime [-\]: aint lookin too hot for B
OneStone [6d\]: h13 g13 j13 for later
Warfreak2 [4d\]: r17 q18 is not happening
OneStone [6d\]: k14 works now too
Warfreak2 [4d\]: you need to already have a strong surrounding group to play that kind of way
Eowyn [1d\]: b can even die here :P
Shinichi56 [-\]: and the kibitz moved back
whimsical [7k\]: w got good use out of g12
Brian [1d\]: the game often seems better for the person with more time this tournament
OneStone [6d\]: l8 l7 k7 looks possible too
sinprejic [1d?\]: that's what I said earlier warfreak
]
;W[kl]C[OneStone [6d\]: But B's center looks so weak, it is doomed to fail on all sides.
Quinn [1k\]: most likely, he got a bit greedy
Illyria [?\]: it's not greed, it's desperation
Doge [6d\]: @USGO2 if ryan wins, will the finals be a Bo5?
OneStone [6d\]: He didn't get greedy, he is desperate.
USGO2 [-\]: Yes
Quinn [1k\]: good point
darkronin [3k\]: I like how p8 can come back if needed
OneStone [6d\]: so if l7, then W k7 
jwc [-\]: h12 is bad shape
OneStone [6d\]: actually if l7 k9 j8 k7 
whimsical [7k\]: went all in, like in poker, and w called his bluff
GodofGo [6d\]: w+
OneStone [6d\]: but even l7 m8 k7 k9 j8 o8 should work for W
]
;B[fl]
;W[ek]C[GodofGo [6d\]: is this a best of 3 too?
CieCie [2d?\]: y
Prime [-\]: yes, but the prelims count as a match, so if ryan li wins this, chiu is knocked out
OneStone [6d\]: maybe h8 will become B's Private Ryan.
CieCie [2d?\]: ryan+1
namtg [1k\]: is there a possiblity for eric lui to become pro?
GodofGo [6d\]: yup ok
Laudia [6k?\]: what about time left for both?
sinprejic [1d?\]: in the present state b centere is weak I was thinking of b giving h8 earlier to make center strong, puls s11a nd play around k16 finishing with p13 if possible. but moot point now
CieCie [2d?\]: yes nam
Prime [-\]: yeah, the winner of this plays him, namtg
namtg [1k\]: thanks prime
Shinichi56 [-\]: ricky :(
CieCie [2d?\]:  if ryan loses 3 times in the final
]
;B[jm]C[jwc [-\]: w h13
Prime [-\]: it looks like it'll be Ryan Li vs Eric Lui for the 1p title
Warfreak2 [4d\]: h13 is a bit overplay for w
Prime [-\]: as of now, at least
]
;W[jg]C[NicoChiaro [2k\]: will there be a new pro at the end of this tournament?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: yes
Prime [-\]: yup
CieCie [2d?\]: yes....
NicoChiaro [2k\]: ah cool
OneStone [6d\]: So W plays the easy move out
Warfreak2 [4d\]: in w's position, you would take the easy move too
critter [1k\]: b k14 in desperation?
Horse [8k\]: k15 maybe ?
Eowyn [1d\]: j15
tchitchi [2d\]: how far did white read when he has played h9?
Quinn [1k\]: H16?
CieCie [2d?\]: ask him...
steffen [1d\]: guess k14 is the only move to have a black moyo with a possibly dead w group inside, but not for long :)
OneStone [6d\]: about 1 move, tchit
Warfreak2 [4d\]: about two metres
tchitchi [2d\]: onestone how much would you be able to read?
]
;B[jf]C[tchitchi [2d\]: how many*
]
;W[kf]
;B[je]
;W[ke]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: here be dragons
OneStone [6d\]: It depends on the situation. It's a meaningless question. e.g. in case of a ladder, you can read 50 moves, too.
]
;B[kd]C[bert [2d?\]: dont answer, onestone
psygo [3k\]: you only have to read that there will be a lot of pain for b
steffen [1d\]: then it turns to a w moyo with b dead group inside :)
Prime [-\]: B is getting desperate
Warfreak2 [4d\]: h13 now?
bert [2d?\]: he is trying to sell you war and peace
Horse [8k\]: gonna vote for j13 
darkronin [3k\]: Afraid l13 :(
tchitchi [2d\]: i'm just wondering
tchitchi [2d\]: thanks for responding
Lead210 [2k\]: l13 and w is alright
Lead210 [2k\]: as far as i see
CieCie [2d?\]: "getting desperate"
USGO2 [-\]: how can w keep it simple?
OneStone [6d\]: I wasn't quite sure about W k13. This looks quite complicated for W now
CieCie [2d?\]: that makes no sense
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i think h13
Quinn [1k\]: H13
tchitchi [2d\]: o11 incoming?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: seems to work, either w makes plenty of eyeshape inside or sacs two stones and kills
OneStone [6d\]: if h13 g13 j13 h15 j17 but then the cut at l13 is very dangerous
USGO2 [-\]: don't peep where you can cut tchitchi
]
;W[if]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: hmmm
GodofGo [6d\]: nice
Warfreak2 [4d\]: this way is funny
sinprejic [1d?\]: hmm I don't see way out of center for w.
awesome [3k\]: this was the best move
OneStone [6d\]: so w does j14 j15 h15 j13 j16 j14 l13 
Eowyn [1d\]: b is gonna die
Prime [-\]: he's not getting out of the center, he's living in it
sinprejic [1d?\]: (unless b dies of course :)
]
;B[ie]
;W[he]C[Prime [-\]: oh man
]
;B[ig]
;W[id]C[Quinn [1k\]: oh snap
Justin9202 [7k\]: intense
Warfreak2 [4d\]: b seriously considers k12
darkronin [3k\]: What if b k12 l12?
OneStone [6d\]: so next j14 l13 g15 h16 f15 f16 and B attacks the center
Horse [8k\]: if black connects then k12 is sente ?
Prime [-\]: ikr warfreak
USGO2 [-\]: jeremy is counting
CieCie [2d?\]: freally l12?
Liso66 [?\]: final will be best from 5?
Prime [-\]: i will be shocked if he plays it though
]
;B[if]
;W[gf]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: this move i did not see
CieCie [2d?\]: ..
]
;B[gg]C[sinprejic [1d?\]: L13?
OneStone [6d\]: f15 k12 doesn't work so well
OneStone [6d\]: k12 is sente now
Justin9202 [7k\]:  i would guess k12 but problably not the best idea for white 
darkronin [3k\]: L12?
GodofGo [6d\]: b sad
xDragon [?\]: If ryan wins this game it will be best of 5. Otherwise best of 3
wyvern [?\]: L12
]
;W[kh]C[alias [6k\]: is it the final game?
OneStone [6d\]: ????
Liso66 [?\]: thnx dragon
darkronin [3k\]: :DDDD
Horse [8k\]: ah, even better
Prime [-\]: now im confused
OneStone [6d\]: this makes f15 a reasonable move, perhaps
whimsical [7k\]: w can j12 if he wants a ko
Prime [-\]: dang
Prime [-\]: ryan li ftw
OneStone [6d\]: f15 g15 exchange would be a huge plus for B
GodofGo [6d\]: g2 f2 j2 a2 then l7 all the way down works?
Liso66 [?\]: so probably more tactics to lose? :)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i think if you f15 then w throws in directly
Warfreak2 [4d\]: if w loses this ko, f15 will end up being slow
OneStone [6d\]: B welcomes the ko because he is behind
eleven21: l12 protects l13 too
Justin9202 [7k\]:  this could be a ko fight for life 
USGO2 [-\]: GodofGo agree
critter [1k\]: w ~76 upper left + ~10 right + 2 middle? = ~88
GodofGo [6d\]: hmm
CieCie [2d?\]: 2 in the middle?
Brian [1d\]: the resort the tournament is being held at looks nice.  even if you lose the game, at least you can enjoy the accommodations
CieCie [2d?\]: crtter never count the fighting groups
USGO2 [-\]: Brian, it was -4F this morning
ilwwamh [1k\]: is this finals?
sinprejic [1d?\]: if G2 b gives corner to get center?
USGO2 [-\]: that's like -25C or something
Justin9202 [7k\]: I would say its ~88vs. 67
darkronin [3k\]: Semi
Justin9202 [7k\]:  thats just a rough guess
]
;B[ph]C[OneStone [6d\]: B n14 looks locally correct for B
CieCie [2d?\]: uh
GodofGo [6d\]: b going for the killlll
CieCie [2d?\]: lol
ilwwamh [1k\]: would you be kind to link me to the brackets?
Prime [-\]: ryan li is clearly ahead
Justin9202 [7k\]:  I think its more around -4 c usgo 
CieCie [2d?\]: ?
steffen [1d\]: uh, b territory getting big now :)
Prime [-\]: http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-results-2014#results
USGO2 [-\]: it's -20c
CieCie [2d?\]: thats pretty warm justin
USGO2 [-\]: thanks Prime!
ilwwamh [1k\]: you are a good looking man Prime, thank you!
Prime [-\]: yup
]
;W[pj]C[Prime [-\]: np
CieCie [2d?\]: ah i see black says ill trade
Justin9202 [7k\]: 30c is 86 degrees farenheit
]
;B[oj]
;W[oi]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: w tries to create a big threat
critter [1k\]: b ~36 bottom + 2 upper left + 26 upper right + 2 prisoners = ~66
]
;B[nl]C[Justin9202 [7k\]:  so i dont think -25 degrees c would be less than -50 f
OneStone [6d\]: critter, is that in Fahrenheit or Celcius?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: this is funny now
USGO2 [-\]: Justin, go google it
Justin9202 [7k\]: ok
]
;W[nj]C[USGO2 [-\]: it was -4F this morning
DrStraw [-\]: -25c =-13f
Warfreak2 [4d\]: b is playing scared of the ko, he has to answer white's moves to prevent w having a big threat
Surrounded [1d\]: °F=9/5 °C +32
USGO2 [-\]: so -20C.
darkronin [3k\]: What is going on?.?
USGO2 [-\]: b 10 minutes left
Justin9202 [7k\]: I think b can do it
RainierBob [?\]: Google says -4 F = -20 Celsius
Prime [-\]: ko threat magic?
Justin9202 [7k\]:  he just has to focus 
Warfreak2 [4d\]: o9 now is consistent
GodofGo [6d\]: or b shd just try creating wnother eye
steffen [1d\]: can they go skiing after the game?
GodofGo [6d\]: like f15
critter [1k\]: if w gets more territory at m12, then w by 30
GodofGo [6d\]: then e17
OneStone [6d\]: No reason to be consistent
Justin9202 [7k\]:  if thats the case black should attac
Justin9202 [7k\]: attack 
Justin9202 [7k\]:  mayube a peep 
CieCie [2d?\]: hmm
Justin9202 [7k\]:  or play m9?
OneStone [6d\]: r11 s11 s12 looks more consistent than anything else
Horse [8k\]: o11 
Justin9202 [7k\]: true
awesome [3k\]: why ever be consistent?
]
;B[ni]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: r11 irrelevant if you will give up p10 stones in the ko
spacetime [4d\]: r11 seems good. that ko is looming tho
OneStone [6d\]: But o11 p12 o12 p13 q13 looks very consistent with Jeremy's personality.
Horse [8k\]: well, this was probably the only move
CieCie [2d?\]: ko for noobs anyways
OneStone [6d\]: or maybe even p12 o12 p13 o13 
Warfreak2 [4d\]: ko is hard and tastes bad
Justin9202 [7k\]:  well cie cie considering that kos happen in pretty much every game by your logic that means every go player is a noob
Warfreak2 [4d\]: ko doesn't happen in tic tac toe
sinprejic [1d?\]: kinda supprised w offered ko
OneStone [6d\]: W doesn't want to start the ko normally
CieCie [2d?\]: or othello
CieCie [2d?\]: or chess
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i had a ko in othello once
Justin9202 [7k\]: i ment in every game of go 
OneStone [6d\]: unless he has one really huge ko threat
OneStone [6d\]: p12 o12 p13 o13 j12 k12 and then W has o9 
tchitchi [2d\]: like o9?
CieCie [2d?\]: i have games with no kos
OneStone [6d\]: that should be ok for W
]
;W[oh]
;B[nh]
;W[og]C[martin97 [-\]: game doesnt seem too bad for b
Warfreak2 [4d\]: strange things happen when there's a potential ko
]
;B[ng]C[Prime [-\]: oh man
Justin9202 [7k\]: ciecie i said pretty much 
Justin9202 [7k\]:  not all the time
Prime [-\]: B just went ham
]
;W[ih]
;B[jh]C[BoJackson [6d\]: ooh
GodofGo [6d\]: b is going for it
whuang [4d\]: this game is crazzyyy
]
;W[nk]C[psygo [3k\]: its all in indeed
whimsical [7k\]: m13 coming up?
darkronin [3k\]: So you are ready to begin the ko, but do not play it just yet, instead complicate up a bit the situation to make threats, is that the way to play?
sinprejic [1d?\]: b take?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: make a threat as big as possible
Muttley [2k\]: end the ko
Holub [1d\]: i guess
GodofGo [6d\]: yea
Justin9202 [7k\]:  what if black ignores
Horse [8k\]: does black have any threats ?
josek [2k\]: o9 pretty big
Justin9202 [7k\]:  and decides to allow that to win the ko?
Prime [-\]: black cannot ignore this
Warfreak2 [4d\]: b has no sufficient threats
stephenwu [?\]: hi
]
;B[ol]C[sinprejic [1d?\]: b has b13
Justin9202 [7k\]:  ok 
Leonidas [2k\]: resign
CieCie [2d?\]: black will resign no ko threats
GodofGo [6d\]: b13
]
;W[ih]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: w will give anything
martin97 [-\]: q13 threats r10?
OneStone [6d\]: b hasno threats
josek [2k\]: the real question is can b live after h13
]
;B[hg]C[Holub [1d\]: connect and semeai ? or just my crazy mind ? :D
GodofGo [6d\]: w ignore all
awesome [3k\]: hah
Holub [1d\]: lol :D
GodofGo [6d\]: ooh
Prime [-\]: WHAT!?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: for sure b cannot live after connecting
awesome [3k\]: b gonna fight locally :)
GodofGo [6d\]: ah i see
Warfreak2 [4d\]: b now committed to semeai with l12
spacetime [4d\]: wow
CieCie [2d?\]: this works
GodofGo [6d\]: w has to play around f15 area
sinprejic [1d?\]: ahhhh f15 iv w connec
martin97 [-\]: e17 aji?
Prime [-\]: no way black can win this
spacetime [4d\]: ok, game will end in next 20 moves
bbio [5k\]: b cannot live :o
Holub [1d\]: but maybe he can take sooner 
GodofGo [6d\]: then fight ko 
anewtry [1d\]: so death
USGO2 [-\]: just before jeremy filled ryan sucked in air and looked up at the ceiling
stephenwu [?\]: hi
stephenwu [?\]: hi
stephenwu [?\]: hi
stephenwu [?\]: hi
Prime [-\]: dont spam
stephenwu [?\]: hi
stephenwu [?\]: hi
CieCie [2d?\]: tell us when he exhales
base [-\]: stop
stephenwu [?\]: hi
Warfreak2 [4d\]: e15 now feels pretty good
critter [1k\]: b only 5 liberties + ko, w has 7 liberties + room to grow
awesome [3k\]: was ryan rolliing his eyes?
Muttley [2k\]: black takes out a penknife and cleans out his pipe.   He tamps down some tobacco and lights it, puffing slowly, deep in thought.
Prime [-\]: lol muttley
Warfreak2 [4d\]: critter, but b has a ko to cut at l11
spacetime [4d\]: b has so few liberties tho
Horse [8k\]: if it gets to semeai black seems to be short of liberties
Quinn [1k\]: black is 12, haha
Prime [-\]: "black then flips the board over and attempts to kill white"
kadoban [-\]: That's why it's funny Quinn, heh
]
;W[me]C[spacetime [4d\]: even if w just fills now it's 5 to 5
GodofGo [6d\]: ah
spacetime [4d\]: but w seems to have chances to gain 
Muttley [2k\]: shame I've missed so much of this game, it looks epic
bbio [5k\]: what did b do 
spacetime [4d\]: he waged allout war
Warfreak2 [4d\]: homer never wrote anything greater than this game, muttley
CieCie [2d?\]: i quess funny doesnt run in the family
Muttley [2k\]: hehe :)
Muttley [2k\]: I'm going to clone it and see what I make of it
Prime [-\]: n15 is total gg
anewtry [1d\]: over
awesome [3k\]: b has too much weakness
martin97 [-\]: k12
martin97 [-\]: e17
Prime [-\]: black must respond to n15 locally
bbio [5k\]: b played too fast
Quinn [1k\]: b is short on time
USGO2 [-\]: b 5:00 minutes left
martin97 [-\]: "must" is quite relative this game
Quinn [1k\]: k12,l13,l11
]
;B[le]C[Prime [-\]: wow
Prime [-\]: black has officially gone ham
maher139 [1k\]: black says, 
anewtry [1d\]: not that harnphrase again :D
steffen [1d\]: the white group has no eyes yet :)
]
;W[lf]
;B[mf]C[maher139 [1k\]: "I'm sick of these stones on this mother loving board!
OneStone [6d\]: b is shooting from the hip
steffen [1d\]: lucky luke did that too
Jermelle [?\]: oh wow
awesome [3k\]: b shot his own hip
Muttley [2k\]: ok, black is crazy brave
Jermelle [?\]: intense match
sinprejic [1d?\]: better to shoot from the hip than not get a shot off
Prime [-\]: if W can punish n14 nicely, he wins
maher139 [1k\]: what if b kills all?
Vinicius [1d\]: very big if
maher139 [1k\]: GG
jwc [-\]: looks lika w damezumari
critter [1k\]: w l9 = many liberties + win race
Jermelle [?\]: jeremy is going ham
OneStone [6d\]: maybe he is shooting himself in the foot that is in his mouth.
Muttley [2k\]: not a "what if", surely b has to after discarding the left
Warfreak2 [4d\]: l9 not so many liberties
BagaLutti [6d\]: b can play moves like h17 h16 f15 g15 f16 
critter [1k\]: w o9 breaks shape, threatens cut, makes n11 more severe
CieCie [2d?\]: l9 = enough libs
kadoban [-\]: Doesn't L7 give him a boatload of liberties, if he needs them?
Prime [-\]: white is just way too comfortable in this situation
Surrounded [1d\]: completely surrounded and in danger of death?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: not that comfortable
Muttley [2k\]: "Surrounded" :)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: w has to answer k12 ko capture, then there's a cutting point at l11
Prime [-\]: B is more screwed than he is
Warfreak2 [4d\]: some squeeze opportunities
pwnnuki [1d\]: would b have been better to l11 k12 before m15? then if w l13 b can l11 which makes things a lot harder on w
USGO2 [-\]: so: what is w's simplest way?
kadoban [-\]: Oh I see
Warfreak2 [4d\]: n11 seems acceptable
josek [2k\]: b's plan is to sacrifice g12 and kill r9
maher139 [1k\]: simplest way is for someone to resign :
maher139 [1k\]: :D
ThiGar [4k\]: left discarded? what about f15?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: not a fair trade, josek
maher139 [1k\]: screw it! i'm not reading this out! i resign
Horse [8k\]: maybe white can sacrifice the center and still win
Muttley [2k\]: I meant around e10
OneStone [6d\]: no
Muttley [2k\]: that's a very big sac
maher139 [1k\]: w sacrifices the center and resigns lol
Quinn [1k\]: yup
darkronin [3k\]: Moral victory for black if w sac center
minimalist [2k\]: k9 first
Muttley [2k\]: b is not so far behind that w can give u the centre
Warfreak2 [4d\]: n11 feels good to me
]
;W[li]C[maher139 [1k\]: b has a lot of points outside of the center
CieCie [2d?\]: white sacs the center invades 33 livesand wins
Warfreak2 [4d\]: ok, w fixes the cut directly
pwnnuki [1d\]: see b should have k12 before this
Surrounded [1d\]: pro shape move
USGO2 [-\]: i liked just w L13
Warfreak2 [4d\]: this threatens o14
Surrounded [1d\]: ofc
Surrounded [1d\]: then life in center
Surrounded [1d\]: or even worse
Quinn [1k\]: white is about to rock black
josek [2k\]: now b pulls up the eye on the sleeve, w also lives, but b kills p13, w invades r17 and wins
roy [4k\]: take ko?
Prime [-\]: all w needs to do to win is to get the libs in the center
ThiGar [4k\]: f15 g15 f16 g17 f17 g18 c12 b13 c15 b15 e16 
Warfreak2 [4d\]: not all, prime
Warfreak2 [4d\]: w has to fix g16 shape weaknesses
USGO2 [-\]: thigar, not F16 but E17
]
;B[lg]
;W[kg]C[martin97 [-\]: e17 f17
USGO2 [-\]: keep going martin :)
maher139 [1k\]: oh w is ryan li
maher139 [1k\]: gg w gonna win
Prime [-\]: B is gonne res soon
DrStraw [-\]: anyone in by?
USGO2 [-\]: b very close
USGO2 [-\]: momentarily
whimsical [7k\]: isn't b low on time?
USGO2 [-\]: now 5x40
martin97 [-\]: f15 g15 e17 f17 e18 e16 f16 g17 
Vinicius [1d\]: e17 g17 (i think)
]
;B[kj]C[martin97 [-\]: f15 g15 e17 f17 e16 e18 d16 d18 c15 ok
martin97 [-\]: lol ^^
maher139 [1k\]: interesting move?
psygo [3k\]: :O
]
;W[nf]C[maher139 [1k\]: didn't expecxt this at least
Prime [-\]: l11 says "im screwed, yolo"
]
;B[mg]C[DrStraw [-\]: "interesting move" means "i don't understand it" if played by a stronger player and "bad" if played by a weaker player
martin97 [-\]: this sequence might be pretty awesome
fanfre [4k\]: looks horrendous, what happened ?
CieCie [2d?\]: since when dr
DrStraw [-\]: since forever
U [?\]: b was behind so he started a capturing race
CieCie [2d?\]: pros call other pro moves interesting all the time
whimsical [7k\]: this to discourage b from playing m12 then taking ko while atari?
EdIV [5k\]: w o15
]
;W[lk]C[Prime [-\]: GG
maher139 [1k\]: b resign coming soon to a theatre near you
Jermelle [?\]: lol
]
;B[lj]C[awesome [3k\]: keep fighting!
Quinn [1k\]: can b live by poking at F15, H17, and then attacking that white group while trying to make life?
OneStone [6d\]: oops 
]
;W[mj]C[martin97 [-\]: b likeitsdead shape
steffen [1d\]: if b gets upper right and makes life for the b center group, it's not too worse
]
;B[mi]C[awesome [3k\]: if b gets two moves in succession
OneStone [6d\]: n9 and q13 
]
;W[mk]C[Surrounded [1d\]: n11 doesn't feel good
fanfre [4k\]: "b has a deathwish" is a sound go proverb
pwnnuki [1d\]: apt name for such a comment
bbio [5k\]: m12 is one eye
]
;B[of]C[Quinn [1k\]: lol
Warfreak2 [4d\]: w has time for q13 in sente?
OneStone [6d\]: I think B wishes he was dead, that would be less painful.
steffen [1d\]: tats the upper right, next the center group :)
OneStone [6d\]: p14 is terrible
martin97 [-\]: b q13waspossible
whimsical [7k\]: m12 is one eye then die
OneStone [6d\]: should be at q13 or at o15 at the very least
tchitchi [2d\]: l17 first to counter a future h17 move?
Liso66 [?\]: how much w to byo?
ThiGar [4k\]: L10 an eye for w
OneStone [6d\]: Now even w q13 is sente
Quinn [1k\]: yeah Q13 of course
CieCie [2d?\]: q13 k9  o15 k12 
CieCie [2d?\]: white wont have time to o15 though
Surrounded [1d\]: q13 costs one lib
Surrounded [1d\]: b cant m12 right now
USGO2 [-\]: +1 to Surrounded
Warfreak2 [4d\]: q13 k9 l9 
Warfreak2 [4d\]: why wouldn't w l9
USGO2 [-\]: i'd double check i don't need that lib
martin97 [-\]: better triple
OneStone [6d\]: e.g. if p14 were at q13, after w p14 o15 n16 n17 o16 p16 o17 o18 would be a nice loose ladder
kadoban [-\]: Does white still have inifinity time left?
Prime [-\]: yes
USGO2 [-\]: 47:00
U [?\]: w plays fast, he nromally has a lto of time left
maher139 [1k\]: so pretty much
OneStone [6d\]: the same for q13 n16 n17 o17 o16 o15 p14 
martin97 [-\]: onestone, you can also q13 p14 o15 n16 n17 o16 o17 
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i don't see any danger for w after q13
]
;W[pg]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: w can get lots of liberties pushing at l7, maybe there is even an eye there
Surrounded [1d\]: "don't even need that lib"
Jermelle [?\]: and B resigns now
]
;B[ne]C[CieCie [2d?\]: oh
]
;W[km]C[Jermelle [?\]: bruh
OneStone [6d\]: so let's predict q13 o15 f15 k9 l9 l7 e15 n8 l11 m8 c15, that would not be good
Prime [-\]: gg
OneStone [6d\]: so W extends his libs with l7 
Warfreak2 [4d\]: why f15?
OneStone [6d\]: B cannot answer because next w f15 will kill
]
;B[jn]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: w e15 is strictly better than f15
Surrounded [1d\]: yet he does
Prime [-\]: bruh
OneStone [6d\]: so B plays tenuki at f15 g15 f16 
Surrounded [1d\]: yeah e15 nice tesuji
]
;W[kn]C[Prime [-\]: B resigns soon
OneStone [6d\]: e15 f15 f16 e16 d15 c15 d16 b15 did you read that out?
Horse [8k\]: and so the moyo dies
Surrounded [1d\]: nope
Jermelle [?\]: gg
USGO2 [-\]: 4x40
Benzene [3d\]: e16 e17
OneStone [6d\]: This is enough for W
Benzene [3d\]: onestone
Jermelle [?\]: Jeremy, stand up and read the kgs chat, you cant win ~_~
higgs [8k\]: m12
pwnnuki [1d\]: I feel like it's important that b get  k9 first
]
;B[fe]C[OneStone [6d\]: if k5, the w f15 wins the capturing race
Surrounded [1d\]: ok maybe f15, be safe
ThiGar [4k\]: at last
OneStone [6d\]: so k6 was a wasted move
maher139 [1k\]: even if b lives, does he have enough?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: at this point, w can capture k6 and win easy
Prime [-\]: probs not
]
;W[fd]C[maher139 [1k\]: yup
Prime [-\]: yup, ryan realizes this
maher139 [1k\]: f16 says i have enough
Jermelle [?\]: lol
CieCie [2d?\]: so what was that?
Quinn [1k\]: bout time
OneStone [6d\]: so next and now the exchange of p14 has become a huge loss
Surrounded [1d\]: f16 is just best local move
maher139 [1k\]: b counting now
Jermelle [?\]: reguardless it's still over
]
;B[ge]
;W[ko]C[Surrounded [1d\]: l4?
Horse [8k\]: black lives !
awesome [3k\]: lol
Timk [1d\]: in't B win now ?
fanfre [4k\]: w wins !
ThiGar [4k\]: e16
maher139 [1k\]: *w let b live*
BHL [4k\]: q17 huge now
Quinn [1k\]: white will win
CieCie [2d?\]: hmm idk about let
]
;B[hd]C[CieCie [2d?\]: f15 gained a lib i beleive
OneStone [6d\]: e16 e17 h16 h17 j17 is huge
maher139 [1k\]: how does he live other wise?
OneStone [6d\]: p14 was especially bad
]
;W[hc]C[OneStone [6d\]: j17 
DonaldDuck [1k\]: j17 will die
Muttley [2k\]: not enough
ThiGar [4k\]: b has bunch of ko threats
Surrounded [1d\]: j17 g17 = i have enough
Muttley [2k\]: w +about 7.5 if b gets everything he wants
USGO2 [-\]: Jeremy has resigned
Surrounded [1d\]: gg
OneStone [6d\]: p14 q13 exchange was especially losing
martin97 [-\]: gg
CieCie [2d?\]: gg
Warfreak2 [4d\]: well done ryan
Jermelle [?\]: about time
Jermelle [?\]: gg
USGO2 [-\]: W+Res
maher139 [1k\]: gg
MusicQi [-\]: tyvm usgo
Prime [-\]: gg, ryan li ftw
USGO2 [-\]: Ryan and Eric will play their second game in their best of 5 set tomorrow morning at 9:30!
Liso66 [?\]: still very impressive from 12y man! 
USGO2 [-\]: Join me!
bert [2d?\]: thx
Prime [-\]: oh snap!
Muttley [2k\]: USGO2, congrats to Jeremy for playing with such vigour from KGS :)
Grey28 [3d\]: Gg & Ty USGO2
kadoban [-\]: Thanks for broadcasting
Prime [-\]: HYPE!
Jermelle [?\]: oh shnap a dog
USGO2 [-\]: D12 is coming in for criticism
OneStone [6d\]: thx
USGO2 [-\]: ryan suggests b f16 instead
GodofGo [6d\]: gg
Prime [-\]: the hype is real
tmay [7k\]: given how young Jeremy is the AGA should send him to asia to study, he can become so strong
USGO2 [-\]: tmay: if he wins, we will :)
fanfre [4k\]: gg thx
Liso66 [?\]: gg and thanx :)
fanfre [4k\]: kyu dan rat cat
U [?\]: ryan v eric in the final. jeremy will face ben in the 3rd place match. winner of that matchup will get the final entry into next years pro tourney
DrStraw [-\]: he is several stones stronger then Lui was at his age
Prime [-\]: yeah jeremy is going to kick some serious butt in the future
lance [1k\]: thanks
USGO2 [-\]: Mark lee suggests not connecting at all, that C13 was better
USGO2 [-\]: if w jumps on E9, b can E16
steffen [1d\]: b should do something simple and then take b4 and as much other bigger end game pts
U [?\]: ben beat jeremy in rr so ben will have to win just once, and jeremy will have to win twice to auto get into next years tourney
OneStone [6d\]: Yes, d14 at c13 was better
USGO2 [-\]: also looking at opening sequence w/ Q5
aussiemate [8k?\]: Is the game finished?
USGO2 [-\]: yes, W+res
PATLEE [5k\]: is game over
USGO2 [-\]: Thanks everyone!
aussiemate [8k?\]: Thank you
USGO2 [-\]: See you tomorrow morning!
EdIV [5k\]: cya
kermit81 [?\]: thanks- great game
OneStone [6d\]: hmmm, I disagree. I don't think it was a great game for Jeremy
OneStone [6d\]: B was on the defense all the time, the times he went on the offense, it was in desperation.
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