(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[5400]OT[5x40 byo-yomi]
PW[Ryan Li]PB[Matthew Burrall]WR[7d]BR[6d]DT[2015-01-08]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[William Luff]C[USGO3 [-\]: hello everyone
USGO3 [-\]: welcome to round 2 of the elimination round.
USGO3 [-\]: This will be the deciding match between Ryan Li and Matthew Burrall
USGO3 [-\]: they are choosing for color
USGO3 [-\]: Ryan guessed wrong. Matt chooses black.
USGO3 [-\]: and the games begin.
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[pd]
;W[dp]C[Lice [5d\]: matthew won game two?!
USGO3 [-\]: yes
Lice [5d\]: weird.. i left it in a position that was good for ryan
]
;B[oq]
;W[dc]C[oonicks [?\]: it still surprised me when it ended
served [3d\]: it was within a point or 2
Muttley [2k\]: Congrats Matthew
Muttley [2k\]: Ryan play hard this time :)
]
;B[mc]
;W[qp]C[Javaness [2d\]: black shifted his opening stones 1 space to the left compared to last game
Javaness [2d\]: I wonder what gave him that idea
]
;B[ql]
;W[po]C[zampa [3k\]: he intended to go for the same start, he just misplaced 3 stones.
Kamoro [?\]: The T file on the board was faded
cbc [?\]: Did Li really resign a half point loss?  Doesn't seem very professional.  But I have to root for Li on strength this game. 
USGO3 [-\]: I think it would have been 2.5 had they played it out.
]
;B[kq]C[CBlue [?\]: wonder why everyone chooses black, the winning statistics with white are slightly higher
cbc [?\]: Oh really?  Goes to show how bad my end game is if I can't get the last 4 moves right :)
zampa [3k\]: easier to choose a fuseki of your liking as B.
]
;W[pr]C[sedgwick [5d?\]: I'd say it is very professional to resign 0.5 games, the Chinese pro's in particular have been doing it a lot recently...
Herod [-\]: black won more than white in the games of the round robin
]
;B[fq]
;W[cn]C[Kamoro [?\]: An 8 person round robin isn't a very large sample size
]
;B[dr]
;W[qf]
;B[qd]
;W[qi]
;B[ce]
;W[dh]C[cbc [?\]: I guess pros can decide what is appropriate.  To me, resigning a very close game seems a bit disrespectful, or like showing off.  As a spectator I'd like to see the conclusion.  Of practical concern, it seems like the result with point differential might be useful information regarding proper komi.
Violence [1d\]: psh, why is there etiquette on resignation
Violence [1d\]: When you know the game is over, it's your right as a player to have the choice to resign
Javaness [2d\]: I've never understood a lot of points of etiquette in Go
cbc [?\]: Why is there etiquette in anything?
Javaness [2d\]: how about the old G17 here
bert [2d?\]: d14 
cbc [?\]: E16 for entertainment value.
r0n1n [4k\]: betting for d18 trick
humblelife [-\]: boring d14 actually looks best to me here
bbio [5k\]: go ryan
hobajons [-\]: g16
humblelife [-\]: trouble with switching to the top is b wil get a weak group as he breaks the left + 1 on the right
shai [1d\]: can B play F17 -- and trade the C15 stone if need be
humblelife [-\]: but how to break the left then? b has nothing to compete with 4th line territory
Muttley [2k\]: what 4th line territory?
oonicks [?\]: mayb f16?
Jermelle [?\]: f15 
DrStraw [-\]: it does not seem good to me that B is taking so long.
bert [2d?\]:  i looks to me sente is mighty important here as w would gain much momentum were he to play on the right side first, say at q9
Muttley [2k\]: I'd be more worried about the right than the left as b
humblelife [-\]: g17, d15, j16, c16
Violence [1d\]: Black played like most of the last game in byo yomi
Herod [-\]: B is known for taking lots of time in early stages of his games
Violence [1d\]: I don't think it's necessarily bad to use his time now to get his head straight
Jermelle [?\]: Err, stupid question, but is Ryan out of the running for pro?
Violence [1d\]: Ryan is currently the favorite
Violence [1d\]: everyone currently playing is still in the running
Jermelle [?\]: Okay, I thought since he lost he was out
Violence [1d\]: The format is a little complicated
Muttley [2k\]: No Jermelle, it is 1-1 in a best of 3 ko stage
Jermelle [?\]: I can tell lol
Jermelle [?\]: oh
humblelife [-\]: basically eric and ryan are allowed to lose once against most opponents
Muttley [2k\]: not complicated, this is the minimatch knock out stage
Violence [1d\]: everyone plays each other in a round robin, which is used to seed a single elimination bracket, where everyone plays best of 3 matches, but the round robin result counts for the best of 3 score in the single elim bracket
Jermelle [?\]: Ohhh
sedgwick [5d?\]: I really like this system
Violence [1d\]: I think it makes sense, you just have to explain it
sedgwick [5d?\]: Much better than the previous years
planless [3d\]: It sounds complicated, but it makes a lot of sense when you wrap your head around it.
Muttley [2k\]: means your score in the eliminator counts towards your progress, which is fair
Jermelle [?\]: in that case, go ryan!
sedgwick [5d?\]: Of course I think this takes a couple more days than last year, and time might have made this impracticle previously
Jermelle [?\]: Matthew Burral takes a lot of time in the opening, which is weird, but I also asked Yuxuan Li why he takes a lot of time in the opening, he said it's because he's horrible at it
bert [2d?\]: bah, that darn time...
Jermelle [?\]: maybe matthew does it for the same reason?
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;B[ed]C[Jermelle [?\]: e16 isn't seen much anymore, hm
Muttley [2k\]: I like this choice, it accepts w gets territory (unless w chooses push/cut joseki), in return for sente
Muttley [2k\]: and b really needs sente here imho
Jermelle [?\]: the push and cut joseki is annoying to play, too complex at times. white may just take the points
cbc [?\]: Yay
]
;W[ec]
;B[fd]
;W[fc]C[Jermelle [?\]: yup
]
;B[gd]
;W[hc]C[Muttley [2k\]: pretty clear that w will leave the onus on b to think he's playing catch up
Jermelle [?\]: white could have tenukied if he wanted
Muttley [2k\]: sure :)
shai [1d\]: D9 for both sides seems most urgent
Jermelle [?\]: if B g17 he can just b16, after he tenukis that is
Muttley [2k\]: I would d10 as black
bert [2d?\]: i thought f17 was played with intention to take sente
hobajons [-\]: d9 feels good
humblelife [-\]: i assumed it was to stop c17 from giving b easy life
humblelife [-\]: i don't think b can be allowed to seal at g17
Jermelle [?\]: this is actually a weird position to be in for black
Jermelle [?\]: I dont know any real continuations
Violence [1d\]: I dunno what I'd play here
Muttley [2k\]: hint: a 7d might
Jermelle [?\]: maybe I'm just weak or i didn't study enough lol
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;B[dj]C[Jermelle [?\]: Thanks muttley, thanks for making me feel bad ~_~
Muttley [2k\]: ah you're welcome :))
VeryBlue [5d\]: that cant be better than c10..
Muttley [2k\]: and he played the Mutt's move
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;W[cq]C[Muttley [2k\]: "Matt", "Mutt", I think we see what's going on here
Jermelle [?\]: It's a sign, Muttley is a hidden 7d
bert [2d?\]: must be something muttual, surely
Muttley [2k\]: its one lucky guess :))
Jermelle [?\]: lool bert
Muttley [2k\]: I like the "dynamic equilibrium" approach to move selection
Jermelle [?\]: h4 or j4 
bcas1984 [7k\]: who are the players on this board? (on the mobile client)
Muttley [2k\]: left or right, not bottom please >_< though I think you may be right
Jermelle [?\]: W: Ryan Li B: Matthew Burrall
Muttley [2k\]: Ryan Li white, Matthew Burreel black
Violence [1d\]: Ryan Li (W) vs Matthew Burrall (B)
bcas1984 [7k\]: thx
Jermelle [?\]: Burreel
Jermelle [?\]: xD
VeryBlue [5d\]: f11 seems to work quite easily
VeryBlue [5d\]: though j3 is gonna be huge for w
Jermelle [?\]: f11 might be too slow right now
Jermelle [?\]: At least I think, but he might want that stone now or to start a fight now. I'm not sure
Muttley [2k\]: single stones, single stones ...
bert [2d?\]: in order to get sente w takes care to stabilize his stones
Muttley [2k\]: how about just p8 idea q13 follow up
]
;B[fi]C[jotty [2d?\]: are they gona do commentary today on the games
Jermelle [?\]: and wow, he played f11 
USGO3 [-\]: i'm not sure if Kim Myungwan has anything planned.
jotty [2d?\]: ah, thanks
Jermelle [?\]: ignore, play h3 or j3 
USGO3 [-\]: but he is observing the games.
Jermelle [?\]: sometimes I wonder if the players glance over at the computer to see the move ideas ~-`
Javaness [2d\]: white feels a bit slow
]
;W[ip]C[USGO3 [-\]: the computer's are all positioned so that the players can't see them.
AAAAAAAAAA [6d\]: fan hui checked kgs kibitz during his game once =P
Jermelle [?\]: j4 hm, nice balanced attack
VeryBlue [5d\]: j3 better
Jermelle [?\]: If what USGO said is true, then fan hui would have to literally stand up and do so
AAAAAAAAAA [6d\]: he did that
Jermelle [?\]: That's awesome.
USGO3 [-\]: well, he's pro. He can do what he wants. ^^
Jermelle [?\]: he didn't care lol
AAAAAAAAAA [6d\]: "very".. should get serious warning from the referee
Jermelle [?\]: He just earned respect points xD
AAAAAAAAAA [6d\]: hope you're kidding
USGO3 [-\]: Ben Lockhart reads all the comments after the game.
Jermelle [?\]: Andy Liu did the same thing at the Cotsen 2013
Jermelle [?\]: He would take his laptop upstairs and just look over the comments
]
;B[ep]
;W[ko]C[cbc [?\]: Any thoughts on what the players need to accomplish here?  I don't see big territorial potential for white unless he swallows something.
Jermelle [?\]: the center is pretty much all thats left
Jermelle [?\]: which is why he played j4 instead of j3, he went right for the center
cbc [?\]: A strategy I can't seem to execute.  I like it.
VeryBlue [5d\]: e4 was unreasonable, j3 just does more
VeryBlue [5d\]: seemes like a proper response to j4
VeryBlue [5d\]: seems*
VeryBlue [5d\]: nah w would get alot
Javaness [2d\]: how will black manage these stones
]
;B[do]
;W[co]
;B[dq]
;W[cp]C[USGO3 [-\]: when asked by Andrew Jackson last night, what was the secret to beating Ryan Li,
anewtry [1d\]: anly three matches or others are finished already?
USGO3 [-\]: Matt said. "if there was anything, it was that during critical junctures in previous games, I made the choice to avoid a fight, but in that game, I finally decided to fight."
Jermelle [?\]: so he intends to fight again? hm
]
;B[ir]C[wikipwnia [3k\]: should white start to aim at the r8 stone?
Lead210 [2k\]: gotta be interesting. need to get som popcorn
humblelife [-\]: w already started with l5
cbc [?\]: anewtry, there is no 4th game now because this match went to a 3rd game and Yuan Zhou plays the loser.
anewtry [1d\]: -thank you
]
;W[bj]C[asdasd: c3 looks dodgy to me
anewtry [1d\]: looks painful
Jermelle [?\]: b10 looks interesting
ThiGar [4k\]: d12 sacrified? c11, elephant eye shape?
hobajons [-\]: hao qi
mooooo [4k\]: what happens if matthew win this game? is ryan out in this case?
served [3d\]: yes
ThiGar [4k\]: best of three
asdasd: does matthew have kgs account?
Herod [-\]: do you?
asdasd: yes
mooooo [4k\]: would be pretty hard to win round robin 7-0 then lose on first bo3
cbc [?\]: Technically it was the second of bo3.  They are 1-1 now because the result in round robin counts as the first game.
SirWeej [8k\]: doesn't it get added to his round-robin score?
SirWeej [8k\]: But if you only play 1 out of 3 games do you loose the points of the other two games?
zampa [3k\]: cbc technically its still the first bo3
zampa [3k\]: third game, but first bo3
Lead210 [2k\]: How much time Matt have?
asdasd: but i'm not playing in this game being brodcast, so my acocunt is considerably leass interesting
USGO3 [-\]: 18 minutes
asdasd: ryan is crazywind 8d
mmmd [3k\]: is USGO4 sick ? :)
Rochedale [5k?\]: He's crazywind? Huh, learn something new every day.
Lead210 [2k\]: It seems he's going to byo-yomi again. Hope he won't do mistakes in a fight coming
cbc [?\]: I see.  I meant first game of bo3, note the first bo3 match.
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;B[lo]C[cbc [?\]: *not
hobajons [-\]: i like b
spacetime [4d\]: if Matt were to pull off this comeback...
Rochedale [5k?\]: No kidding. It would be quite the upset.
USGO3 [-\]: It would be pretty special. A historic moment for American Go.
ThiGar [4k\]: Are there north-american KGS 9d? And if so, why could they not reach this tournament?
darkronin [3k\]: Oh, no cut to attack the whole? Nice
cbc [?\]: I guess we'll see now whether picking a fight with Ryan Li is a successful strategy.
USGO3 [-\]: you have to be a citizen of the United States or Canada to compete. 
USGO3 [-\]: Bill Lin and Ryan Li are the closest there are in North America to KGS 9D I believe.
ThiGar [4k\]: i know, i did say 'north-american'
ThiGar [4k\]: ah ok, thx
hobajons [-\]: zyoda!!!
hobajons [-\]: 9d!
Lolita: hes 8d now
Jagad [2d?\]: Ryan Li was 8.78 when this tournement started
hobajons [-\]: o
hobajons [-\]: thats right
Lolita: didn't any of the current aga pros reach 9d before?
USGO3 [-\]: Andy Liu
OneStone [6d\]: m6 n5 l4 m3 k7 
zampa [3k\]: isn't andy liu  9d?
USGO3 [-\]: yes, he is.
xedover [?\]: he's 1p
zampa [3k\]: but i ment kgs 9d.
USGO3 [-\]: at that level, AGA 9D and KGS 9D are basically the same.
asdasd: cloudnotes is 9d
cbc [?\]: Is W thinking he could hane here?  I'd jump to L7, but I can't read more than 2 moves :)
asdasd: isn't he american?
USGO3 [-\]: Ryan is deep in thought now.
Lead210 [2k\]: Seems Ryan is taking it serious today
humblelife [-\]: ib b breaks through, r8 is practically alive
]
;W[ln]C[ThiGar [4k\]: OneStone called it once again!
]
;B[mo]
;W[mn]C[sedgwick [5d?\]: probably the white thinking was not so much about the hane as n6 after
USGO3 [-\]: Matt's eyes seem zoomed in on the L6 cut. At least that's my hope.
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;B[kn]C[Lolita: why not
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;W[jo]C[Lolita: yolo right
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;B[km]
;W[nn]C[sedgwick [5d?\]: That's the question of course, and thought hard before choosing this fight...
Borachon [3k\]: if he only lives once, this is going to be a bad game for him
sedgwick [5d?\]: Ryaqn thought hard
Rochedale [5k?\]: Hah, I see what you did there, Borachon.
Lolita: lol
Borachon [3k\]: sorry, couldn't resist
]
;B[mq]C[spacetime [4d\]: GO MATT!
]
;W[im]
;B[jl]C[Javaness [2d\]: go goldilocks
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;W[il]
;B[jj]
;W[ik]
;B[lj]
;W[pk]C[USGO3 [-\]: Matt seems slightly taken aback by Ryan's bold territorial move.
Jermelle [?\]: lol
Jermelle [?\]: It's a great move
seok [2k\]: is that a territorial move?
seok [2k\]: it seems like a splitting move to me D;
ThiGar [4k\]: splitting refers to groups, not to single stone
USGO3 [-\]: A cool interview of Matthew Burrall made during the 2012 Korean Prime Minister Cup. http://intergofed.org/13-igf-news-feed/189-korea-prime-minister-cup-interview-with-matthew-burrall-usa.html
GodofGo [6d\]: w taking the territory and telling b to come attack him or lose
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;B[em]C[Jermelle [?\]: hm
Capa21 [11k\]: It's like when lions split the weak gazelle off from the pack. 
GodofGo [6d\]: e7 only move
]
;W[hi]C[Jermelle [?\]: and now we see a fight
Violence [1d\]: Q9!?
Violence [1d\]: might as well have slapped him in the face and said, "Come at me, bro"
mmmd [3k\]: it's like saying ... I might die, but I sure won' loose by .5 points again !
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;B[ho]C[Jermelle [?\]: "come at me bro" xD
Rochedale [5k?\]: This is going to be interesting. . .
r0n1n [4k\]: thanks for the link usgo3
r0n1n [4k\]: is there any interview of ryan li?
USGO3 [-\]: he has since cut is hair.
r0n1n [4k\]: lol
eleven21: get hair cut get a real job
USGO3 [-\]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lc8Q6vOA60
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;W[fh]
;B[gh]
;W[gi]
;B[fj]C[r0n1n [4k\]: thanks again :D
]
;W[fg]
;B[gg]C[USGO3 [-\]: Matt seems to be growingin confidence with each move.
]
;W[ih]C[Jermelle [?\]: He's snapping the stone louder?
USGO3 [-\]: no, but he's playing faster.
Jermelle [?\]: ah
Rochedale [5k?\]: He's jumping up and down waving his hands.
]
;B[gf]C[USGO3 [-\]: entering byo yomi now.
ThiGar [4k\]: nice fight
]
;W[ki]
;B[kj]C[USGO3 [-\]: the last move was played with 5 seconds to spare for the 1st byo yomi period
USGO3 [-\]: so Matt still has 4
USGO3 [-\]: 5 40 second periods
]
;W[ll]C[Rochedale [5k?\]: How much time does Ryan have?
USGO3 [-\]: plenty
]
;B[jk]C[Rochedale [5k?\]: :)
Jermelle [?\]: That was a nice interview, thanks for sharing USGO, ryan's was great as well
USGO3 [-\]: both players have grown immeasurably stronger since those interviews were held though.
r0n1n [4k\]: earlier w looked in real trouble, now it more seems b is in danger
ThiGar [4k\]: The aga does not have a tradition of canadian style byo yomi?
Borachon [3k\]: Doesn't the rating system measure how much stronger they've grown since then? :)
Jermelle [?\]: go ryan
]
;W[fn]C[Violence [1d\]: G7?
USGO3 [-\]: I don't rating and strength are two different things.
USGO3 [-\]: I think rating and strength are different things.
]
;B[jn]C[Borachon [3k\]: Fair enough
]
;W[cj]C[Jermelle [?\]: woah
ThiGar [4k\]: e6
]
;B[fm]C[Capa21 [11k\]: E6 seems unnecessary 
Rochedale [5k?\]: F7 is nice.
Jermelle [?\]: k16 
sedgwick [5d?\]: B has taken 35 pts at the bottom, but now b need to manage both f16  and d7 stones, it seems to me w lead
]
;W[gm]C[Lead210 [2k\]: c16 seems like big sente for w. am I right?
USGO3 [-\]: misclick
Jermelle [?\]: poor tree
OneStone [6d\]: g6 g5 h6 e5 d6 ....
bert [2d?\]: it will never grow roots
martin97 [-\]: did anybody count?
OneStone [6d\]: but g6 j6 
OneStone [6d\]: No
]
;B[cl]C[OneStone [6d\]: nobody in his right mind is gonna count now.
]
;W[en]C[Jermelle [?\]: uh oh
martin97 [-\]: ehm lol its perfectly reasonable to count now
OneStone [6d\]: but c8 doesn't look pretty
]
;B[di]
;W[ch]C[ThiGar [4k\]: c7
martin97 [-\]: without middle its quite even so if black doesnt die here ( i dont see how) then he is ahead
Herod [-\]: easier to count once you've resolved the life and death questions
]
;B[ck]C[OneStone [6d\]: Easier to count later.
Rochedale [5k?\]: It seems even, but I agree with sedgwick; it feels like b has more liabilities.
martin97 [-\]: well my question was when it was only w to have a weak group
]
;W[go]C[martin97 [-\]: and its important to know score at many points
]
;B[hp]C[Jermelle [?\]: e9 
Jermelle [?\]: vital
]
;W[bf]C[OneStone [6d\]: There are many points in a game where a pro wouldn't count.
martin97 [-\]: and some more where he would :P
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;B[gl]C[JeansebL [7d?\]: I'd say it also depends on which pro :p
Jermelle [?\]: lol
martin97 [-\]: some1 who plays more intuitionally ofc less
]
;W[dm]C[JeansebL [7d?\]: This doesn't look so great for white...
]
;B[hm]
;W[hn]C[JeansebL [7d?\]: Is white ryan li?
Rochedale [5k?\]: Yes
USGO3 [-\]: yes
served [3d\]: yes
]
;B[gn]
;W[in]
;B[gm]
;W[io]C[Lead210 [2k\]: j10?
ThiGar [4k\]: g4
Lead210 [2k\]: or lack of liberties?
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;B[fo]C[JeansebL [7d?\]: Ok its not that bad because black cant cut
martin97 [-\]: yep
]
;W[gk]C[calydon [2d\]: isnt this terrible for b?
Rochedale [5k?\]: Hmm, b's center group is now very unhappy.
Ephemere [3d\]: but now the center group.... realy no eye shape
JeansebL [7d?\]: Yeah, he now has 2 weak groups
]
;B[eo]C[Rochedale [5k?\]: Is w's corner okay?
]
;W[fk]C[USGO3 [-\]: Matt is under time pressure now.
martin97 [-\]: is w upper left ok? :D
Jagad [2d?\]: yes
]
;B[ek]C[Ephemere [3d\]: w can't cut
martin97 [-\]: b15 i mean
ThiGar [4k\]: really great fight!
Ephemere [3d\]: j10 is sente on e8 so I'd play there
]
;W[dl]C[Ephemere [3d\]: j10 e8 m12  and I don't see how b lives in the center
]
;B[dn]C[Violence [1d\]: just C7
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;W[cm]C[Violence [1d\]: res coming soon... poor Matt
GodofGo [6d\]: b h9 
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;B[hk]
;W[hj]
;B[hl]
;W[ij]
;B[gj]
;W[lh]
;B[mh]
;W[mi]C[Ephemere [3d\]: d9 to keep w separate on the left? One of B group has to die anyway....
JeansebL [7d?\]: No way to save both groups....and even if he did...
Rochedale [5k?\]: Yes, it looks grim.
]
;B[li]
;W[kh]C[Ephemere [3d\]: forget the center d9 and hope to kill one of w's group....
ThiGar [4k\]: you never know with semeais
USGO3 [-\]: were the other two games just as exciting?
]
;B[pi]
;W[ni]C[Rochedale [5k?\]: I haven't been watching. This one is too interesting.
Javaness [2d\]: I can only focus on 1 game at a time these days
lukep [5k\]: looks done
]
;B[pj]C[lukep [5k\]: p9 or p10?
]
;W[qj]
;B[ok]C[Rochedale [5k?\]: This is a good idea on Matt's part. Lots of aji.
USGO3 [-\]: Matt's not the type to go down without a fight.
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;W[qk]C[ThiGar [4k\]: great style indeed
]
;B[oi]C[USGO3 [-\]: Matt smiles at his empty triangle
]
;W[nh]
;B[pg]
;W[mk]C[Violence [1d\]: all she wrote?
]
;B[dk]C[Lead210 [2k\]: time fpr b16 or somenthing around?
Lead210 [2k\]: *for
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;W[ei]
;B[fl]
;W[be]C[USGO3 [-\]: Matt resigned.
Violence [1d\]: : /
cbc [?\]: Thanks usgo
USGO3 [-\]: Ryan wins by resignation.
Rochedale [5k?\]: Great game.
USGO3 [-\]: thanks for watching
mmmd [3k\]: the good side is ... we get a third game with everything on the line :)
Alife361 [?\]: today?
USGO2 [-\]: this was the third game
GodofGo [6d\]: so b is eliminated?
mmmd [3k\]: ah
USGO2 [-\]: Ryan will play Jeremy tonight
mmmd [3k\]: i missed the second
mmmd [3k\]: :_(
mmmd [3k\]: blush
USGO3 [-\]: it sounds like you missed the first.
q11 [3d\]: well done ryan
q11 [3d\]: and good effort form matt
Rochedale [5k?\]: Yes, Matt was very impressive. At the very least, he gave us spectators an enjoyable game to watch.
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