(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[5400]OT[5x40 byo-yomi]
GN[Exhibition r3 - 2nd AGA Pro Qualification - Eric Lui(w) vs Ryan Li(b)]PW[Eric Lui]PB[Ryan Li]WR[7d]BR[7d]DT[2014-01-05]RO[r3]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Dennis Wheeler]RE[B+3.50]
;B[pc]
;W[qp]
;B[cd]
;W[dp]
;B[qe]
;W[fc]
;B[dc]
;W[jd]
;B[lc]
;W[fe]
;B[cg]
;W[de]
;B[ce]
;W[oq]
;B[qk]
;W[le]
;B[qn]
;W[cn]
;B[iq]
;W[kq]
;B[dr]
;W[eq]
;B[er]
;W[gq]
;B[cp]
;W[co]
;B[fq]
;W[fp]
;B[fr]
;W[cq]
;B[hq]
;W[ci]
;B[dj]C[Timk [1d\]: 1 stone at 4 line :)
]
;W[dg]
;B[dh]
;W[di]
;B[df]
;W[ei]
;B[fg]
;W[oc]
;B[pd]
;W[gp]
;B[gr]
;W[gi]C[atomix [1d\]: is b thinking so long?
]
;B[fh]C[herissondu [4d\]: shouldn't lui and li be eliminated?
Vash3G [-\]: game title lists it as an exhibition game
basicpract [-\]: There is double elimination, so no one can be eliminated yet :)
]
;W[fi]
;B[ke]
;W[kd]
;B[ld]
;W[me]
;B[nc]
;W[nd]
;B[mb]
;W[kf]
;B[je]
;W[id]
;B[ie]C[kannikka [10k\]: time?
whalian [10k?\]: hammertime
]
;W[hf]
;B[he]
;W[hd]C[kannikka [10k\]: i was asking how much do they have time left?
whalian [10k?\]: and I answered you
kannikka [10k\]: ??, could you axplain?
kannikka [10k\]: explain*
bran [3k\]: stop!
kannikka [10k\]: ?
bran [3k\]: hammertime :)
whalian [10k?\]: I love you
kannikka [10k\]: could someone smart answer me?
]
;B[if]
;W[ig]
;B[gf]
;W[ge]
;B[hg]C[basicpract [-\]: The replayers of this game cannot reply to questions, if I am not mistakes. The games began about a nour ago or so.
onerabbit [2k\]: only the scribe really knows how much time the players have left... usually the post it every once in a while
onerabbit [2k\]: also, try not to get trolled
]
;W[jg]C[kannikka [10k\]: ok, thanks. i dont know how this is scribed, so..
kannikka [10k\]: but considering this is a pro qualification i understand it can be hard to put up the time 
]
;B[jb]
;W[ib]
;B[jc]
;W[eb]
;B[lg]
;W[mg]
;B[io]
;W[hm]
;B[gb]
;W[hb]
;B[gc]
;W[ga]
;B[fb]
;W[ec]
;B[db]
;W[ea]C[saxo [3d\]: e16
]
;B[mh]
;W[ng]C[saxo [3d\]: mmh only sente seki, I see
saxo [3d\]: not even sente, gote one
]
;B[nh]C[Poney [2d\]: That's quite a nice left side
Goprince [5d\]: this is a nice right also
]
;W[nb]
;B[mc]
;W[og]
;B[oh]
;W[ph]
;B[pg]
;W[pf]
;B[qg]
;W[lh]C[Poney [2d\]: Yeah the avalanche :p
]
;B[li]
;W[kh]C[saxo [3d\]: p14
USGO2 [-\]: the players will be adjourning for lunch
USGO2 [-\]: this next move will be the sealed move
USGO2 [-\]: they will return in about one hour from now
]
;B[of]C[USGO2 [-\]: he forgot to seal it.. so the next move will be sealed
USGO2 [-\]: the players have returned
USGO2 [-\]: and the sealed move unsealed
]
;W[oe]
;B[mj]
;W[od]
;B[ob]
;W[oo]C[huhugfhg: what does it mean to seal the move? how you do it?
]
;B[on]
;W[nn]C[jimmii [3k\]: you write it down but you don't play it
gogonuts [5d\]: the move is writen down instead of played at break
jimmii [3k\]: and the oppenement have to wait till the lunch(orwhatever) is over
huhugfhg: oh, tx
BOThater36 [4d\]: Who is Ryan Li, from Canada?
]
;B[om]C[Lsugyen [6d\]: yup
gogonuts [5d\]: d10 didnt work well, but does that mean w is ahead?
GOnetel [20k\]: Is this the end game?
]
;W[po]
;B[dq]C[USGO2 [-\]: white is in byo-yomi now
]
;W[bp]C[kljlkj: b is winning
]
;B[ep]C[Morphe [2k?\]: so this aga proffesional sistem gives some young chinese, korean, japanese a second chance if they dont get through
]
;W[eo]
;B[gn]C[kairos [-\]: no ;-)
]
;W[hn]
;B[ho]
;W[go]C[kljlkj: s5
tablet [1k\]: e16
sdfgd: h9
]
;B[hl]C[BOThater36 [4d\]: are these games AGA rated? understand this is pro qual, the stake is much higher than the rating itself
Cos [2k\]: i have no clue
]
;W[il]C[Cos [2k\]: but this game is in fact being livestreamed on KGS with 150 observers,
Cos [2k\]: so they must be under some amount of pressure
]
;B[ik]
;W[hk]C[kljlkj: does not seem very good for b
kljlkj: my grand ma could do better
agrog [1d\]: i think b ahead
kljlkj: I was talking about the reduction
sedgwick [?\]: black aiming at 014?
]
;B[gl]C[Arnaud99 [5k\]: and what after black O14 ?
BOThater36 [4d\]: we need commetns fom rsun
]
;W[im]C[rsun [5d\]: does this really work? or just going berserk?
sedgwick [?\]: well, w nly oone eye then..
BOThater36 [4d\]: I think b doing fine here
BOThater36 [4d\]: O14 later certainly a possibility
sedgwick [?\]: means some b move in center might be sente
rsun [5d\]: b  doing fine here, that's a good start for the year
BOThater36 [4d\]: why, B has anything to do with horse?
]
;B[hj]C[agrog [1d\]: not apparently
rsun [5d\]: whether black has a horse, I cannot endorse
woodrose [1d\]: what is b trying to do 
BOThater36 [4d\]: Calvin won an amazing game earlier this morning
]
;W[gk]
;B[jk]C[rsun [5d\]: black is trying to kill, as far as I can distill
woodrose [1d\]: kill what
Lsugyen [6d\]: who's winning?
Arnaud99 [5k\]: kill with O14
BOThater36 [4d\]: LSU, we want to ask u
ChrisVolk [2k\]: What time is it?
woodrose [1d\]: yeah but that wont work
Arnaud99 [5k\]: 22:33 in france
Lsugyen [6d\]: what's your question?
agrog [1d\]: b ahead
Lsugyen [6d\]: 15:34 in Chicago
]
;W[fl]C[BOThater36 [4d\]: we want to ask u what u just asked
rsun [5d\]: so france is ahead
agrog [1d\]: 2334 in kiev
ChrisVolk [2k\]: Never mind, I was just thinking of that guy saying "It's hammer time"
jodageezer [7k?\]: Who does Calvin play tonight?
]
;B[bh]C[Lsugyen [6d\]: close game in fact
BOThater36 [4d\]: thx, lsu
]
;W[bi]C[Lsugyen [6d\]: b leading by ten before komi but white can gain almost 10 points at the top
tablet [1k\]: is e16 work?
Lsugyen [6d\]: no
Lsugyen [6d\]: J19 works
woodrose [1d\]: yes its wor
woodrose [1d\]: k
RobertT [-\]: calvin doesn't play anyone tonight. he waits for the winner of the bill lin vs jianing game
Lsugyen [6d\]: actually E16 then J19 is the only way
]
;B[ro]C[BOThater36 [4d\]: Eric couldnt make it last year. too much pressure for him this year
]
;W[qf]
;B[rf]C[jodageezer [7k?\]: Thanks Robert
BOThater36 [4d\]: and see those young guns like Andrew Lu and Calvin coming up
]
;W[pe]
;B[rd]C[RobertT [-\]: aaron ye 2016
BOThater36 [4d\]: very likely
]
;W[rp]C[USGO2 [-\]: black has 10 mins left
BOThater36 [4d\]: Robert, how many  more games calvin needs to win to become pro?
kljlkj: is f2 totally alive ?
woodrose [1d\]: yes
sedgwick [?\]: seems w lead
Sgad [6k\]: f2 secure
Athanor [-\]: k2 is big
Ikay [7k?\]: o7
tablet [1k\]: n5
loren [4k\]: n3
rsun [5d\]: the pro exam passing rate is 4% in china
BOThater36 [4d\]: US is 12.5%, not bad. rsun u may have chance
rsun [5d\]: my chance of being nominated is 0%
epichhh: my chance is -45%
BOThater36 [4d\]: I was invited to one of the pre qual, I said, never mind, dont bother :-)
epichhh: ;)
rsun [5d\]: unless they open up a career path as bot fighters
HolySmoke [1k\]: A11
toffee [3d\]: 5d too weak.
kljlkj: maybe if they do some go boxing
]
;B[sp]C[BOThater36 [4d\]: when Calvin or cjheaven play zen, I was their advisor
CBlue [?\]: arent some of the participants in this pro tourney like kgs ~5d?
Ikay [7k?\]: deeper then m4 look dangerous
]
;W[sq]
;B[so]C[BOThater36 [4d\]: CBlue, not sure from Maxico, all other are above 7d
rsun [5d\]: I don't know most of their handles, so I don't know
CBlue [?\]: hm are they above 7d _on kgs_ ?
BOThater36 [4d\]: AGA
Ikay [7k?\]: k2 is sente?
kljlkj: k2
CBlue [?\]: yeah but on kgs some might have like 5d rank
CBlue [?\]: is what im saying ^^
CBlue [?\]: most are stronger of course
reprisal [2d\]: could easily play in a qual tournament at 5d
reprisal [2d\]: but play and win are two different things
jodageezer [7k?\]:  Seed	Name	Current Rating 1	Eric Lui	8.56 2	Calvin Sun	8.17 3	Bill Lin	8.13 4	Ryan Li	7.77 5	Jianing Gan	7.70 6	Ben Lockhart	7.46 7	Andrew Lu	7.02 8	Daniel Gourdeau	6.00 
]
;W[jr]C[epichhh: are you hacker? :o
BOThater36 [4d\]: nice, jod
jodageezer [7k?\]: from the AGA page
]
;B[ir]C[BOThater36 [4d\]: two of them are from my Go club..
jodageezer [7k?\]: http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-results-2013#results
epichhh: do you play bots on your go club?
higgs [10k\]: :)
gogonuts [5d\]: hater, your an underachiever
]
;W[rq]C[BOThater36 [4d\]: LOL, yes, I am
rsun [5d\]: your go club must be vivacious
]
;B[lp]C[BOThater36 [4d\]: lets go back to the game, admin will soon give us warning
]
;W[mq]
;B[nm]C[kljlkj: w very submissive
epichhh: do u know, admins get 400$ month on kgs 
]
;W[mn]C[rsun [5d\]: for how many hours?
BOThater36 [4d\]: well paid, I want to apply
epichhh: 30 min peer day
rsun [5d\]: not too bad
kljlkj: troll alert
gogonuts [5d\]: yet another close game?
agrog [1d\]: probably not true
BOThater36 [4d\]: based on my KGS record, I will be the first to be kicked out
epichhh: i wonder if w can win
Ikay [7k?\]: thats why there is no admin to warning epichhh
epichhh: he is playing weird
BOThater36 [4d\]: look B ahead
higgs [10k\]: L6
BOThater36 [4d\]: let me count..
gogonuts [5d\]: if you want to become pro you have to love counting
sedgwick [?\]: every time  I count I get w ahead:)
epichhh: i hate reading and couting
epichhh: i should quit go
epichhh: XD
tablet [1k\]: last intresting move is e16
epichhh: after 5000 counting games, i head you get automatic score on next countings
gogonuts [5d\]: at least you have to tollerate it :-)
epichhh: heard*
]
;B[mm]C[BOThater36 [4d\]: is upper white seki or clean live?
BOThater36 [4d\]: if seki, b ahead 3-5 points
Aruchu [3d\]: I'd say clean life
]
;W[ln]
;B[kp]C[tranquil [2k?\]: clean
Aruchu [3d\]: and I count w + a couple points + komi
rollstory [2k\]: live
BOThater36 [4d\]: then w + i think
BOThater36 [4d\]: very slim
]
;W[kl]C[gogonuts [5d\]: e16 f16 j19 
]
;B[lq]C[BOThater36 [4d\]: so what u say? gogo
epichhh: bazinga
]
;W[lr]
;B[mp]C[rollstory [2k\]: wouldn´t m2 be better then m3? or just simply gote
]
;W[np]
;B[hp]C[BOThater36 [4d\]: keep sente is better in this earli yose stage
]
;W[fo]C[BOThater36 [4d\]: point wise probably 1  or different
BOThater36 [4d\]: 1 or 2
NlsBlr [1d\]: d19 is huge
Aruchu [3d\]: also, might be dangerous for m4 stones
Ikay [7k?\]: c2?
rollstory [2k\]: ok
Truelie [15k?\]: were is the second eye for w's e19 group?
epichhh: bothater, put your comments in one line
rollstory [2k\]: got your point
USGO2 [-\]: black is now in byo-yomi
epichhh: this is getting annoying
Truelie [15k?\]: cause if b gets j19 i don't see it
Sgad [6k\]: epichhh > Please do what you ask
]
;B[ai]C[rollstory [2k\]: j19 or d17
F525 [1d?\]: I'll
F525 [1d?\]: request
F525 [1d?\]: that
F525 [1d?\]: you
Arnaud99 [5k\]: J19 E16 are miai
]
;W[aj]
;B[ah]C[Truelie [15k?\]: i see
Sgad [6k\]: No Arnaud
Sgad [6k\]: e16 > f16
]
;W[ch]C[Sgad [6k\]: You can't answer j19 to b e16
Arnaud99 [5k\]: if F16 then bE16
]
;B[bg]C[Sgad [6k\]: No, I mean if b e16
Sgad [6k\]: Then w has to f16
Sgad [6k\]: That's why they're not miai
]
;W[bj]
;B[da]C[rollstory [2k\]: arnaud is right...j19 d16 or e16 if b g16 it´s nodead shape
Sgad [6k\]: If b e16, w needs to f16
Arnaud99 [5k\]: no
]
;W[ia]C[Sgad [6k\]: Then b can j19
Sgad [6k\]: Why no ?
Arnaud99 [5k\]: bE16 then wJ19
Sgad [6k\]: No.
Sgad [6k\]: Then 
gnarf [1d\]: lol
Arnaud99 [5k\]: give me your sequence
rollstory [2k\]: he can f16
rollstory [2k\]: or could
Sgad [6k\]: e16 j19 f16 d19
Sgad [6k\]: What would you do ?
Sgad [6k\]: W dead then
]
;B[mr]C[Sgad [6k\]: Bravo
McCallaway [2d\]: not dead
McCallaway [2d\]: seki
rollstory [2k\]: he can f16 and b has to playd16 in order to kll
Sgad [6k\]: Well yeah, sorry
]
;W[nq]C[Sgad [6k\]: Miswritten
gogonuts [5d\]: J19 is bigger than D19, but d19 was reverse sente
]
;B[gj]
;W[fk]
;B[ee]C[Truelie [15k?\]: what's reverse sente?
NlsBlr [1d\]:  b ahead?
AutoAtari [1k\]: ǝʇuǝs
HolySmoke [1k\]: haha
gogonuts [5d\]: ouch, auto
Truelie [15k?\]: thank you auto
rewle [7k\]: e14 ?
AutoAtari [1k\]: yw :)
USGO2 [-\]: last byo-yomi period
kurii [3d\]: reverse sente is a move which is gote for you but sente for your opponent
Truelie [15k?\]: oh
rollstory [2k\]: reverse sente mean that you play a move that would be sente for you opp
]
;W[cr]C[WuDo [11k\]: apponent play sente, but you play another sente instaead of goto 
]
;B[js]C[AutoAtari [1k\]: wudo that's not it
WuDo [11k\]: I see ... 
]
;W[kr]C[AutoAtari [1k\]: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=reverse+sente
]
;B[nf]
;W[mf]C[WuDo [11k\]: What I described has a name? or .. it is just a game move?
HolySmoke [1k\]: B+ 1.5
]
;B[ed]
;W[fd]
;B[ff]C[woebegone [-\]: i think you described tenuki
Ikay [7k?\]: i think there is only one sente ove, because only one move worth more than all the other
]
;W[hc]
;B[ja]C[Ikay [7k?\]: *move
]
;W[pn]
;B[pm]C[aristokrat [2d\]:  in convention, sente is considered locally 
]
;W[ij]C[BOThater36 [4d\]: this place is tricky
Ikay [7k?\]: oh ok
BOThater36 [4d\]: b may need time
epichhh: where is keiju?
gogonuts [5d\]: w needs a success here
]
;B[kk]
;W[hi]C[BOThater36 [4d\]: semi success
BOThater36 [4d\]: B m8?
gogonuts [5d\]: there is no such thing as semi-enough
lastdays: c1 first?
BOThater36 [4d\]: u do or die
]
;B[md]C[Ikay [7k?\]: w j11 and not h11 worth 1 point no?
]
;W[ne]
;B[ll]C[gogonuts [5d\]: b will spend his move on m8
gogonuts [5d\]: just did
AutoAtari [1k\]: sure did mate
]
;W[eh]
;B[ii]C[gogonuts [5d\]: a few points for b still
gogonuts [5d\]: and nothing to go for anymore
]
;W[jj]
;B[ji]
;W[kj]
;B[ki]C[AutoAtari [1k\]: w needs to think about this? :p
]
;W[fj]
;B[lj]C[BOThater36 [4d\]: wow, I count before komi B87, w 80
BOThater36 [4d\]: 0.5 point game
rsun [5d\]: when in doubt consult se
BOThater36 [4d\]: absolutely
]
;W[hj]
;B[jh]C[Ikay [7k?\]: how do people use se? 
lastdays: does SE work now with AGA rule usually it doesn't?
Ikay [7k?\]: i havn't in my option
BOThater36 [4d\]: SE says B + 24.5, I am only 24 points off
]
;W[kg]C[rsun [5d\]: SE is a random integer+0.5 generator
]
;B[cs]C[AutoAtari [1k\]: Ikay you need to use java web start
rsun [5d\]: better than matlab
Truelie [15k?\]: hence score exploder 
]
;W[bs]
;B[ds]C[rollstory [2k\]: haha..right rsun
Ikay [7k?\]: oh ok thx
]
;W[jl]
;B[lk]
;W[jn]C[AutoAtari [1k\]: b2?
mascaron [2k\]: b2?
]
;B[eg]C[gogonuts [5d\]: b has the game locked in, imo
tranquil [2k?\]: m1 
Aruchu [3d\]: aouch
BOThater36 [4d\]: G12?
]
;W[gh]C[rsun [5d\]: then b2
]
;B[dh]C[MacGyver [3k\]: r5 sente point
]
;W[ko]
;B[jq]
;W[nr]
;B[lm]C[rsun [5d\]: k4 happy
]
;W[jp]
;B[jo]C[AutoAtari [1k\]: b barely alive :p
oldranger [?\]: B2 up for grab...
FirePrince [3d\]: b ahead?
]
;W[kc]
;B[kb]C[gogonuts [5d\]: imo yes
]
;W[mo]
;B[ip]C[FirePrince [3d\]: same
FirePrince [3d\]: lol b2
rollstory [2k\]: b2 is ko...
]
;W[qo]
;B[rm]C[FirePrince [3d\]: i know
AutoAtari [1k\]: I count b ± 30
rsun [5d\]: is the canadian representative the only pure non-asian?
gogonuts [5d\]: b said he will just take the little ko at d12
MacGyver [3k\]: daniel is too
xDragon [?\]: there were two non asians in the final 8
Truelie [15k?\]: score exploder doing it's job^^
]
;W[km]C[xDragon [?\]: daniel gourdeau of canada and ben lockhart of usa
rsun [5d\]: oh yeah ben
]
;B[ks]
;W[ms]
;B[is]C[Aruchu [3d\]: b+1.5 without b2
]
;W[ls]C[Truelie [15k?\]: se saying w +33^^
]
;B[dg]C[x0000 [-\]: b2 huge, how could they ignore it?
BOThater36 [4d\]: Andrew L, Eric Lui and Matt B stay with Myn wang Kim for pro trailing last 3 months
]
;W[br]
;B[eq]C[hume [4k\]: dunno
]
;W[lo]C[agrog [1d\]: has b2 been played?
FirePrince [3d\]: lol
FirePrince [3d\]: yes
]
;B[jp]C[sedgwick [?\]: b not enoough ko threats
]
;W[in]
;B[hh]C[itoumakoto [4d\]: ThunderGod change account again :) 
]
;W[ih]C[gogonuts [5d\]: w had enough threats for b not to try
]
;B[hf]
;W[lf]
;B[gg]
;W[jf]C[FirePrince [3d\]: where is this taking place?
]
;B[ic]C[jodageezer [7k?\]: They lived  at Kim's Go Academy?
rsun [5d\]: LA
BOThater36 [4d\]: last chance to bet your money
FirePrince [3d\]: kk
itoumakoto [4d\]: where is Sharma now? does he fine?
xDragon [?\]: normandie hotel in LA
]
;W[gd]C[TitanPupil [1k\]: its taking place on a go board
FirePrince [3d\]: ok thx
FirePrince [3d\]: lol toiletpaper
]
;B[]
;W[]C[BOThater36 [4d\]: all bet off
x0000 [-\]: b+
itoumakoto [4d\]: hey 
TitanPupil [1k\]: lol fp
USGO2 [-\]: the players are counting now
itoumakoto [4d\]: Eric Lui is who?
FirePrince [3d\]: kk
sedgwick [?\]: g16?
gogonuts [5d\]: indeed
BOThater36 [4d\]: Eric is taking w here
monk316 [3d?\]: did he really play g16
mk [2k\]: AGA rules
lastdays: 3 point game
gogonuts [5d\]: i thought i was going blind when i saw g16
McCallaway [2d\]: yes cause aga rules
TitanPupil [1k\]: monk pls look at the board again
dermenslof [2d\]: was it the passing stone
Aruchu [3d\]: has to play last anyway
FirePrince [3d\]: lol
xDragon [?\]: yeah he played g16 because of AGA rules. its always better to play a move than to pass twice
sedgwick [?\]: pass stone is passed to the other player, not put on the board:)
F525 [1d?\]: Why's that, xDragon?
FirePrince [3d\]: meh no difference rly xdragon
sedgwick [?\]: oh, I suppose
TitanPupil [1k\]: thres no difference
xDragon [?\]: well thats what they do, they play a move
Rememberr [6k\]: se say w +0,5 with japan rules
xDragon [?\]: ask them
TitanPupil [1k\]: the stone passed to the other player is put on the board
inclement [1d\]: There's a minor difference in that unless it takes an eye the move can only make you stronger
KABC [3d\]: black won
gogonuts [5d\]: headscratching for w - what went wrong?
KABC [3d\]: weird
JosEquis [1d\]: game for pro title tomorrow?
kljlkj: b took all the bifg yose
kljlkj: *big
KABC [3d\]: final tomorrow?
gogonuts [5d\]: maybe had to risk q13 instead of q12
USGO2 [-\]: Black wins B+3.5
FirePrince [3d\]: nice
USGO2 [-\]: thank you all for watcing
xDragon [?\]: yes the finals will begin tomorrow
BOThater36 [4d\]: pass stone woundn't matter unless there is seki on board
gnarf [1d\]: thx usgo
FirePrince [3d\]: whos in finals?
xDragon [?\]: but there will be a game later on to determine the finals
agrog [1d\]: thx usgo
xDragon [?\]: calvin sun is in the finals, and the winner of the bill lin v jianing gan game tonight will also get in the finals
TitanPupil [1k\]: thx
FirePrince [3d\]: ok
xDragon [?\]: if bill gets in, they play a best of 3 with 0-0 to start. if gan wins, they play a best of 5 with calvin having a 2-1 advantage
gogonuts [5d\]: weird
gogonuts [5d\]: but ok, as long as rules are determined ahead of time ...
Rememberr [6k\]: when is the final ?
USGO2 [-\]: tonight's match with Bill Lin vs Jianing Gan will be a single elimination game
xDragon [?\]: actually ,in the best of 3 if bill lin wins, calvin may have the 1-0 advantage
USGO2 [-\]: the finals will start tomorrow morning
gogonuts [5d\]: any fixed rule will be statistically fair :-)
Aruchu [3d\]: what if one of them wraps up in ham and cheese during the full moon ?
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