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GN[2nd AGA Pro Quals - Calvin Sun (b) vs Bill Lin (w)]PW[Bill Lin]PB[Calvin Sun]WR[7d]BR[7d]DT[2014-01-06]EV[2nd AGA Professional Qualification Tournament]RO[6A2]PC[The Hotel Normandie, Los Angeles CA]US[Andrew Jackson]C[USGO1 [-\]: Hello once again and welcome to the final coverage of the 2nd AGA Pro Qualification Tournament!
USGO1 [-\]: I'm andrew jackson, your transcriptionist for the evening
USGO1 [-\]: In fifteen minutes, we'll have the third and final match between Calvin Sun & Bill Lin
USGO1 [-\]: The winner will become the third North American professional go player
USGO1 [-\]: As always, once the game begins I will be unable to view the chat window, so please direct questions to this preamble or to the tournament website
USGO1 [-\]: http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-results-2013
USGO1 [-\]: As the players have alternated colors, they will nigiri at the start
xDragon [?\]: biggest game of their lives
USGO1 [-\]: Additionally, MyungWan Kim 9p will provide audio commmentary here on KGS after the game has begun -- look to further announcements from the KGS announcements for that.
USGO1 [-\]: Hopefully they will have even bigger things ahead of them, for which this will just be a stepping stone :)
USGO1 [-\]: To answer some of the more frequently asked questions i've seen in the chats:
USGO1 [-\]: 1. Bill is 17, Calvin 16.
USGO1 [-\]: 2. We don't have a video feed. :-/ sorry
xDragon [?\]: well so far its the biggest game of their lives
USGO1 [-\]: 3. I might not be able to see their clocks, and even if i can, i can't see you asking me how much time they have left ;)
USGO1 [-\]: 4. Answers to questions about the tournament structure are on the website: http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-results-2013
xDragon [?\]: can you update it every so often if possible then?
xDragon [?\]: the times
TitanPupil [1k\]: i dont think usgo1 can see our chat even now
TitanPupil [1k\]: but idk
USGO1 [-\]: So, this is it, the final game!  I'll keep you updated as we get started
USGO1 [-\]: People are trickling in, Bill's mom looking happy as always.
Roosta [1k\]: USGO: I was wondering, what are the benefits of becoming a pro under the current AGA system?
USGO1 [-\]: An excellent question!  That's still being worked out.  There's talk of them being invited to study in korea with the KBA, as well as being eligible for KBA tournaments.  They also might be at the top of the list to represent us at international events that accept American entries,
USGO1 [-\]: however, the logistics of all these are not final
USGO1 [-\]: Or at least, not as far as i know :)
Roosta [1k\]: Thank you for answering, all this hype about new pros and I don't even know what it really means!
USGO1 [-\]: as a result, this represents a pretty limitless opportunity; a chance to turn it into what they want to make of it
USGO1 [-\]: and hopefully, we the community can support them making baduk their life's work.  But that's all a little nebulous, and hard to see.
nachodude [-\]: wouldn't you like a 1p next to your username instead of a 1k :)
USGO1 [-\]: So let's focus on playing the best go we can!
USGO1 [-\]: :D
USGO1 [-\]: Okay, players are taking their seats!
RobertT [-\]: I would rather have a 9p
nachodude [-\]: 1p is the new 9p
USGO1 [-\]: Calvin guesses odd, he is correct & choose b
USGO1 [-\]: and we're off!
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;B[pd]C[iwin [2k\]: GO CALVINN
USGO1 [-\]: See you at the end.
nachodude [-\]: calvin b=win
ricedragon [1d\]: CLAVIN GOOOO
iwin [2k\]: DO IT BIG
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;W[dp]C[ricedragon [1d\]: <3
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;B[pq]C[RobertT [-\]: go bill!
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;W[dd]C[wskb [6k\]: GO CALVIN
TitanPupil [1k\]: bill w00t go bill
nachodude [-\]: q16=pls resign
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;B[fq]C[odnihs [5d\]: CALVIN GOOOOOOOO
tymak [1k\]: any video stream?
xDragon [?\]: no
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;W[cn]
;B[pk]C[tymak [1k\]: ho ho...finally somebody with high chinese :-)
Roosta [1k\]: bill! bill! bill! bill!
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;W[jp]C[sedgwick [?\]: \\Why is this game not at the top of the active games tab?
Roosta [1k\]: bill lin the baduk guy
xDragon [?\]: cause an admin hasnt pinned it yet
RobertT [-\]: bill nye
TitanPupil [1k\]: haha
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;B[fc]C[alrobin [8k?\]: probably because it's a demonstration game
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;W[mp]C[Roosta [1k\]: well when myungwan kim starts reviewing it, that will certainly be at the top of the list
Roosta [1k\]: unless there are any other 9p games going on at the time :-D
xDragon [?\]: nyan you could ask xedover about it
sedgwick [?\]: I see it has been fixed:)
alrobin [8k?\]: lol
nachodude [-\]: where is the announcement!?
nachodude [-\]: ok
odnihs [5d\]: lol
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;B[po]
;W[df]C[faustu [3k\]: go, Calvin
JeansebL [6d?\]: will there be another commentary
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;B[jd]C[RobertT [-\]: myungwan just kibitz the game ;p
shinkertif [1k\]: will be there any commentaru like the previous?
kadoban [-\]: i think they said earlier there would be
alrobin [8k?\]: apparently yes
RobertT [-\]: "ko"
JeansebL [6d?\]: awesome
sume [-\]: high chinese is interesting
nachodude [-\]: b just k16
faustu [3k\]: very good premise
Furin [3k\]: r14?
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;W[qf]C[woebegone [-\]: wow, high chinese fuseki
nachodude [-\]: furin pr0
Furin [3k\]: :P
faustu [3k\]: very creative move
ben0 [6d\]: so this game decides the next super top futur AGA pro ?
woodrose [1d\]: classic fuseki..
xDragon [?\]: yes, the winner of this game becomes the third AGA pro
Naphthalin [2d?\]: how many super top AGA pros are there?
hohoho [2k\]: what are the current AGA pros doing anyway?
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;B[re]C[ben0 [6d\]: blitzing on KGS
odnihs [5d\]: gansheng came back from korea recently
sedgwick [?\]: See http://badukmovies.com for regular articles from Gansehng Shi
Rottamies [6k\]: working at the mall and playing go as their hobby
odnihs [5d\]: CALVIN ADD GAS
Rottamies [6k\]: w should o17
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;W[qi]C[RobertT [-\]: s15 insteresting since both sides are high stones...
faustu [3k\]: yes, b feels in control this way
RobertT [-\]: I mean, it is usually played when they are low
dogbert [4d\]: odmihs, calvin is not working at a gas station
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;B[oi]C[iwin [2k\]: jia you
yunoo: interesting fuseki
JosEquis [1d\]: is this the deciding game? (sorry, just got here)
Cos [2k\]: yes
dreamy [2d\]: go go bill!
xDragon [?\]: yes, winner becomes pro
Jermelle [-\]: go calvin
Lsugyen [6d\]: S9?
JosEquis [1d\]: hm. bill won last game then?
yorugua [6k\]: yep
xDragon [?\]: it turned into a huge center fight and calvin died
manofearth [?\]: r they really AGA pros or North American pros? If they resign their AGA memberships in anger or as a disputation tactic, do they lose thear PROness? MyungWan?
tymak [1k\]: hmm, havent seen combination of s15 and p11 yet
JosEquis [1d\]: yep, something big must have happened, i figured
xDragon [?\]: you cant lose your aga membership
oskarv [2d\]: mine expired
manofearth [?\]: ur stuck 4life?
xDragon [?\]: you may not be a paying member but youll still have your info
RobertT [-\]: manofearth, most likely if they become pro they get a lifetime aga membership for free
xDragon [?\]: your rank, your aga id
RobertT [-\]: like other pros
MaLa [3d\]: it is like a blood brotherhood
MaLa [3d\]: once in aga, always in aga
JosEquis [1d\]: it's like the mafia
SuiKage [2d\]: mm
iwin [2k\]: why p11?
shinkertif [1k\]: b may aim p14 next
SuiKage [2d\]: i feel this game will be very bloody
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;W[rk]C[tonyp [1d\]: B aims to push the w group around to make territory/influence
JeansebL [6d?\]: Go Bill, you can do this !
oskarv [2d\]: and large scalr
oskarv [2d\]: scale
Nathan [2d\]: i prefer white so far
JosEquis [1d\]: i like w already
SuiKage [2d\]: go calvin win and become pro
DeLonge [6k\]: being an AGA pro player it´s like in asian countries?
cranium [2d\]: i don't understand what black wants
Tabemasu [2d?\]: is this the final game?
SuiKage [2d\]: yeah
xDragon [?\]: yes final game
xDragon [?\]: winner becomes pro
yunoo: r11 is an interesting decision actually
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;B[rf]C[SuiKage [2d\]: well it's bo3 isn't it?
xDragon [?\]: yes and its 1-1
Rottamies [6k\]: wheres w base
Nyanjilla [-\]: the scribe should have put that in the title..... 
tonyp [1d\]: s14 denies w a base, solidifies corner
SuiKage [2d\]: oh, when did they play the last 2 games?
SaiSlayer: muahahaha
tonyp [1d\]: p14 will follow
xDragon [?\]: the first game was in round 2 when calvin beat bill and put him in lower bracket
Rottamies [6k\]: aga proship not comparable with korean proship
sume [-\]: i get the feeling that calvin prepared this opening
xDragon [?\]: second gamr was this morning
yorugua [6k\]: are you kidding Rottamies?
RobertT [-\]: SuiKage, they played previously in the tournament and results count towards best of series
tonyp [1d\]: confine w to the side of the board with small life
Rottamies [6k\]: nope
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;W[ql]C[SuiKage [2d\]: oh
SuiKage [2d\]: i thought they only played once
yorugua [6k\]: about w' base I mean?
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;B[qh]C[yorugua [6k\]: it was pretty clear w had a base
notare [10k\]: So if the AGA sends you a dead fish your game go is dead ? 
SuiKage [2d\]: that 's where the confusion came from
SaiSlayer: why are all of the white ones got dashes in them and all of the black are the same? so BS unfair
shinkertif [1k\]: nice move
Rottamies [6k\]: i read on teh internet that lee sedol can beat the best american player easily with 2 hc stones
kcharris12 [1k\]: r12 go's against proverb?
tonyp [1d\]: the base of a group is the bit on the side of the board where they make wyw shape
oskarv [2d\]: i like b
JosEquis [1d\]: saislayer, turn off textured graphics, and it becomes fair :P
SaiSlayer: UNFAIR
HUGEPEN: b seems at an inferior position
Rottamies [6k\]: american proship counts for nothing
JosEquis [1d\]: ^troll
Cos [2k\]: I like black here :P
notare [10k\]: the lines are representing shel stones. Slate would look similar to that 
yorugua [6k\]: Redmond is the best American, I doubt Lee Sedol can beat him easily with 2h
embeck [4k\]: Rottamies... you can't compare...think of pro golfers...and the many thousands of them in the world...they all can't comapre to tiger woods
tonyp [1d\]: difficult to judge
xDragon [?\]: easily?
dencarl [3k\]: hey Rott, just enjoy the game
shinkertif [1k\]: i support bill but calvin doing great to me so far in this game
SuiKage [2d\]: lee sedol is top pro, can't say every pro is a top pro, i'm sure the aga pro are more like lower-mid level pro
HUGEPEN: I don't see what is the to like in b here
HUGEPEN: there
embeck [4k\]: yes...let's focus on game
Rottamies [6k\]: thanks suikage, that was my point
oskarv [2d\]: b is solid, unlike w
Rottamies [6k\]: ye lets focus on game
xDragon [?\]: literally every single game thats been broafdcast here people complain that aga pro couldnt beat lee sedol
HUGEPEN: looks quite the opposite oskasdasd
xDragon [?\]: thus aga pro is fake. stop it
tonyp [1d\]: B is solid and has potential for a large territorial framework
cranium [2d\]: i belive lee sedol and others top asian pro can beat american with 2 stones
hobajons [-\]: B IS GONNA WIN
kcharris12 [1k\]: I remember reading aga pro gets 500 a month for study or something
SuiKage [2d\]: i also believe top asian pro can beat most lower level pro with 2 handi
hobajons [-\]: yes
hobajons [-\]: that is true
HKA [2d\]: then your memory is bad, that is not true kcharris
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;W[pl]C[yorugua [6k\]: I would hope is more than that
dogbert [4d\]: most asian 1p could give inactive 9p 2 stones
SuiKage [2d\]: have to win to make the moneys
patrickn [2k\]: the character of the board changes to much every move
dencarl [3k\]: is about right.  pro ranks are about 1/3 stone difference in strength
Naphthalin [2d?\]: maybe the pros get free healthcare?
Kheldragar [18k\]: In America?
SuiKage [2d\]: lol
RobertT [-\]: kcharris, they get discounted lessons in korea. $500 a month instead of much higher
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;B[ol]C[daft [?\]: pro ranks are only vaguely related to strength, they're awarded for accomplishment, not designed for handicaps
DeLonge [6k\]: This is a great step for go, I want to make the same in Europe
yunoo: i believe in ranking discussions being boring
Xinhui [3k\]: does anyone knows the age limits to become a pro in America?
dencarl [3k\]: depends on country
SaiSlayer: 12
RobertT [-\]: there is no age limit
SaiSlayer: or u suck
FirePrince [3d\]: hmm
Xinhui [3k\]: i see thanks Robert
HKA [2d\]: no age limits at this point, that could change in the future
Kheldragar [18k\]: What's the point of an age limit?
FirePrince [3d\]: q12?
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;W[om]
;B[nl]C[Xinhui [3k\]: and is the examination open to foreigners?
Kretzsche [2k?\]: i think rather than age limit they should add a gender limit
tonyp [1d\]: Q 12 solidifes B's position and territory
Rottamies [6k\]: why kgs only broadcast games of players whom lee sedol could beat with 4 hc stones
FirePrince [3d\]: yeah
sedgwick [?\]: doesn't seem very needed, you can see the final 4 this year are all 24 or youger:)
SuiKage [2d\]: the point of an age limit is that often people will peak by their 30s ish rarely it's not true
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;W[ro]C[ppfgg: to limit people from having more than 1 gender?
RobertT [-\]: no xinhui, you have to be a citizen for a certain amount of time
sedgwick [?\]: final 8 sorry
tonyp [1d\]: w will prefer to leave that fluid for later
Xinhui [3k\]: ahh thanks Robert for the information :)
tymak [1k\]: actually age limit are not absolute....you just have to play more qualifications
Kretzsche [2k?\]: does arnold schwarzenegger qualify?
Rottamies [6k\]: hahaha'
dencarl [3k\]: open to AGA and CGA i think
DeLonge [6k\]: Why we don't see girls playing this games, I think that go makes women lost the value of their intelligence
JosEquis [1d\]: ...
iwin [2k\]: what?
FirePrince [3d\]: ?
SaiSlayer: women? is this joke life?
freepoints [10k\]: ???
freepoints [10k\]: .....
freepoints [10k\]: ???
SuiKage [2d\]: and censored
SaiSlayer: .............'
MaLa [3d\]: women, on the internet?
RobertT [-\]: AGA is u.s., canada and mexico
llllk: ???????
dencarl [3k\]: DeLonge, that will an unpopular opinion.  lets focus on the game
Hotascurry [5k\]: psh, women don't exist
FirePrince [3d\]: dont be sexist
croc [4d\]: Go Bill Go!
Nyanjilla [-\]: DeLonge---please bear in mind that a wide range of people are watching
Nyanjilla [-\]: Enough with the unthinking sexism
Rottamies [6k\]: thats right
Rottamies [6k\]: no sexism
SuiKage [2d\]: hmm
SuiKage [2d\]: so
SuiKage [2d\]: n2?
RainierBob [2d?\]: Is MyungWan commenting this game? The previous one? If so, where to find commentary?
SaiSlayer: no saying that women are dumb or cant drive or anything sexist u big bully
tonyp [1d\]: so thoughtful sexism would be ok?
hume [4k\]: lol
Rottamies [6k\]: though women arent as good as men in go, they can still be good players
sedgwick [?\]: previou commentary is in the kgs lectures list
hohoho [2k\]: free kickbas for everyone.
DeLonge [6k\]: they can be as good as men
tonyp [1d\]: Rui Naiwei was at one point the strongest go player in the world
xDragon [?\]: rui naiwei did win a mens title
hohoho [2k\]: *kickbans
dencarl [3k\]: think of this a national broadcast and kibitz the game people
Kretzsche [2k?\]: what, aside from the pro thingy, do you do in the USA and the Canada and the Mexico to promote go?
FirePrince [3d\]: for some reason i think o5 looks good...
base [-\]: What's calvin's kgs account? (sorry for asking.)
Naphthalin [2d?\]: sadly, most humans focus on the absolute top in each field
xDragon [?\]: kbag
iwin [2k\]: kbag
SaiSlayer: kbag
tonyp [1d\]: q7 is an orthodox move in this position
hume [4k\]: b nedt move?
manofearth [?\]: myunwan is just watching our kibitz 4 a good laugh
hume [4k\]: next
yunoo: s4? might be too passive
FirePrince [3d\]: q7 seems too aggressive
Marnoris [?\]: will it be reviewed after result ?
SuiKage [2d\]: p6 ?
Prinny [1d\]: no
Kretzsche [2k?\]: obvious move is p6 :D
SaiSlayer: o6
Nyanjilla [-\]: apparently there will be a commentary soon
manofearth [?\]: i'd be happy 2take b here
daimaouyun [1k\]: is there are a link to the results and so on for this ?
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;B[qp]C[SuiKage [2d\]: i wouldn't if  i suddenly took b i'd lose to bill
dencarl [3k\]: AGA website should have ton of info
einsteiger [8k\]: q7 - p6 - o5 - n2 all wrong
Prinny [1d\]: what if you took w?
Draconian [1d\]: next black move p4?
yorugua [6k\]: and if you took w you would lose to Calvin
tonyp [1d\]: p6 o7 q7 r7 n7 seems bad to me
DeLonge [6k\]: http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-results-2013#results
daimaouyun [1k\]: thanks
DeLonge [6k\]: here it is!
chanyukfai: americans and mainstream corporate like games with complicated rules, that's why weiqi and football will not catch on here for the foreseeable future
tas6466 [5k?\]: isn't r4 weird?
Draconian [1d\]: winner is pro?
FirePrince [3d\]: b doesn't want w to get the peep there
shinkertif [1k\]: f15 look biigg for b
iwin [2k\]: you mean soccer
Xinhui [3k\]: what time is it there now?
FirePrince [3d\]: that'd leave black with horrendous shape
FirePrince [3d\]: and no base
manofearth [?\]: i mean the position/player of b
FirePrince [3d\]: i guess b had no choice but to play r4
tonyp [1d\]: r4 is nice shape
Nyanjilla [-\]: Please concentrate on this game, without snide remarks \\
einsteiger [8k\]: protects corner also
Marnoris [?\]: Live commentary by MyungWan Kim 1/6/14 7:00 PM
FirePrince [3d\]: kk
embeck [4k\]: thank you nyanjilla
Cos [2k\]: KGS - Get strong at Kibitz
Rottamies [6k\]: what is kibitz
tonyp [1d\]: B now has R6
FirePrince [3d\]: white r6 now?
FirePrince [3d\]: lol
ppfgg: cereal
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;W[ri]C[Rottamies [6k\]: what does kibitz meannn
daft [?\]: 7pm what? eastern time?
sedgwick [?\]: 7 PM Pacific? So 2.5 hours frm now?
Drack [17k\]: Kibitz is our chatting
dencarl [3k\]: PST, California
Rottamies [6k\]: okay
Rottamies [6k\]: why is it called kibitz
oskarv [2d\]: w i think should establish his base and attack f3
DeLonge [6k\]: the game seems too pacific
yorugua [6k\]: so trolls can ask
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;B[pi]C[HighStoner [4k\]: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=define%3Akibitz
manofearth [?\]: my K box is truncated. 7:00 PM which time?
reprisal [2d\]: why commentary then? is there another game?
FirePrince [3d\]: b's top right looking big
HKA [2d\]: it is yiddish for comments by the observer?nonplayer
kcharris12 [1k\]: s11 is nice
Rottamies [6k\]: i honestly do not know but whatever
manofearth [?\]: nvm
q15p17r14 [2d\]: Won't the game be close to done in 2.5 hours?
Cos [2k\]: Commentary will start in 30 minutes
reprisal [2d\]: yeah, exactly
kcharris12 [1k\]: s4 and tenuki?
tas6466 [5k?\]: maybe review?
oskarv [2d\]: about
manofearth [?\]: wait. how cld that be LIVE
Kretzsche [2k?\]: apparently a kibitz isa a bird
HKA [2d\]: there will be a dinner break I suspect
odnihs [5d\]: they will probably play through dinner
xDragon [?\]: depends on where the game is
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;W[eq]
;B[fp]C[manofearth [?\]: live  commentary on a (perhaps) finished game
yorugua [6k\]: LA
oskarv [2d\]: it is still 5 30
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;W[hp]C[manofearth [?\]: uncanned
yorugua [6k\]: 4:30
xDragon [?\]: people like eric lui always took food break. i dont remember these guys taking them
croc [4d\]: w active
DeLonge [6k\]: Black has build up a big influence
SuiKage [2d\]: mm
manofearth [?\]: isn't he older?
xDragon [?\]: bill is 17, calvin 16
Rottamies [6k\]: running with f4 lame
FirePrince [3d\]: how old is eric lui btw
TarKouli [5k?\]: singing bird ?, 
manofearth [?\]: eric?
FirePrince [3d\]: feel like hes in his 20s
xDragon [?\]: i dont know of eric luis age
liptos [4k\]: bill lin kgs represent
HKA [2d\]: 21 or 22
shinkertif [1k\]: i think w aims here to run with b and destroy the influence on center
q15p17r14 [2d\]: 2.5 hours has flown by :-)
oskarv [2d\]: and w gets the pleasure of chasing
jasz [1d\]: f 7
Nyanjilla [-\]: the schedule seems to be made up as it happens
Rottamies [6k\]: rather than running rf4 b needs to threaten j3 then make something ewith that stone
Prinny [1d\]: does bill lin play on kgs?
oskarv [2d\]: unless b gives his group upp
Rottamies [6k\]: and sacrifice f4 stones if necessary
manofearth [?\]: i think b  vies  f3 lightly
hohoho [2k\]: prinny: account is billlin
xDragon [?\]: yes his kgs name is billlin
nachodude [-\]: myungwan got demoted from pro?
manofearth [?\]: views
oskarv [2d\]: which i think is advisable
SaiSlayer: r10 for B
Prinny [1d\]: i could have guessed actually -_-'
Nyanjilla [-\]: akkkkk.... sorry, nacho.... typing too fast
Hotascurry [5k\]: nacho it was supposed to say 9p
oskarv [2d\]: j12
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;B[fm]C[Quaxi [5k\]: no way b leaves behind f4 imo...
Quaxi [5k\]: mmm
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;W[en]C[aristokrat [2d\]: blacks top looks huge
nachodude [-\]: i forgive you 
hohoho [2k\]: lol billlin's user info "kgs is for chatting and blitz, tygem for serious games"
hohoho [2k\]: quoted for truth
Rottamies [6k\]: Jane Jacobs refers to a kibitzer as someone who can look out onto a street, and if they saw any suspicious activity, will intervene and help the victim. In this way, kibitzers help keep streets safe.[4\]
Rottamies [6k\]: google..
reprisal [2d\]: thats what we're doing here too
reprisal [2d\]: the admins just dont believe in our vigilante program :(
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;B[fn]C[FirePrince [3d\]: doesn't b have to f6 here
FirePrince [3d\]: yeah
FirePrince [3d\]: lol
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;W[im]C[Quaxi [5k\]: i like w 
MaLa [3d\]: yes, quality entertinment and commentary delivered by KGS kibitz
aristokrat [2d\]: meh w is too seperated too early
Rottamies [6k\]: rather than calling go game pieces "stones" we should call them "balls". then i could say im playing with ma balls
oskarv [2d\]: but he is strong
Quaxi [5k\]: w has a big target to chase for the game now 
terpstra [?\]: I do not see "the top of the Active Games tab".
Quaxi [5k\]: i think that this kind of game suits w
yorugua [6k\]: check the box for Active Games in Room menu
SaiSlayer: white exasperated spacing does not cover enough ground
beeracc [3k\]: quite a heavy grp b has there
aristokrat [2d\]: j9 to be considered
JosEquis [1d\]: seems to me, in most well-played games of go, black turns the first move advantage into a largeish moyo or a big corner. what black has in the upper right is not unusual... in fact it might not reflect the first move's value given what has happened to q3 and f3 groups
manofearth [?\]: separated but highly viable is GOOD
Nosabe [-\]: is this the final game ?
xDragon [?\]: yes
MrEmDash [1d\]: si
Draconian [1d\]: he
Nosabe [-\]: This is it !
climbtrees [6k\]: B may be heavy, but O8 is well placed and W is a bit think on lower side
climbtrees [6k\]: *thick
MrEmDash [1d\]: being thick is good
Prinny [1d\]: even though he's not really
aristokrat [2d\]: i would definitely j9
q15p17r14 [2d\]: Maybe he means that white is heavy, though I'd disagree
yorugua [6k\]: unless you are talking about being thick mentally ;)
MrEmDash [1d\]: you have big balls aristokrat
croc [4d\]: what's next for b?
Greenfuse [2k\]: I am wondering about C12 for B
Nosabe [-\]: there must be a really good move here
Nosabe [-\]: and all the pro's would see it
MaLa [3d\]: doubt it
manofearth [?\]: well, u don't c a UsGo2 or 3 do u?
aristokrat [2d\]: anything can happen now
]
;B[eo]
;W[do]
;B[dm]C[Nosabe [-\]: there is aji in the upper right
]
;W[dn]
;B[fk]C[oskarv [2d\]: a bit
manofearth [?\]: the onus  is on w
Rottamies [6k\]: feel like b is relying too much on the potential of his moyo
jasz [1d\]: d 9
q15p17r14 [2d\]: I'd rather call it open than having aji. To me, aji is weakness in a shape
Nosabe [-\]: b is trying to develop his group
Quaxi [5k\]: well it is imposing after this sequence ^^
Xinhui [3k\]: still even?
aristokrat [2d\]: yea still pretty even
aristokrat [2d\]: but black has an easier game
]
;W[ij]C[Xinhui [3k\]: i like black too bcos of its high position
Rottamies [6k\]: c12?
oskarv [2d\]: black has a relatively simple game now
jasz [1d\]: y c12
aristokrat [2d\]: i dont like black because he chose the easier path
Rottamies [6k\]: so b makes eyes
MaLa [3d\]: yeah keeping all that top, that is all he has... totally easy
xDragon [?\]: why wouldnt you choose the easier path in the biggest game of your life
Nosabe [-\]: c12 to develop his group in sente
JosEquis [1d\]: mala, exactly
Xinhui [3k\]: agree with xdragon
Quaxi [5k\]: not so easy to keep ALL the top imo
MaLa [3d\]: ...
SaiSlayer: yeah guys, lets choose the path that is harder in an even game.....
]
;B[ld]C[MaLa [3d\]: uh
Hotascurry [5k\]: bill is crafty though, we saw that last game
Cos [2k\]: o.o
Quaxi [5k\]: it's nonsens to chose the hardest path with everything at stake ^^
tas6466 [5k?\]: all the territory
Quaxi [5k\]: now easier
yunoo: w got a huge corner, so b kinda want to secure his huge top
aristokrat [2d\]: i dont know black moves look kinda chicken to me
SaiSlayer: needs to connect F7 to O8
Nosabe [-\]: a pro would find a weakness
Quaxi [5k\]: gote though? wd10 or something?
jasz [1d\]: d9
Quaxi [5k\]: ok
tonyp [1d\]: pros emphasise solidity
MaLa [3d\]: surely all pros do that
MaLa [3d\]: is it generalization day?
oskarv [2d\]: you mean masao kato
SaiSlayer: pros usually win against most people that are no pros
Lsugyen [6d\]: H17
Rottamies [6k\]: should not take a principle like solidity and then overthinkg about the concept
JosEquis [1d\]: if one person generalizes, i guess we all do
Rottamies [6k\]: just play what is the best move in ur thinking
palapiku [-\]: it's always generalization day
FirePrince [3d\]: hm
HighStoner [4k\]: all days are for generalization
Lsugyen [6d\]: or M11
tonyp [1d\]: have you read Kageyama's Lessons in the Fundamentals of Go?
Quaxi [5k\]: lol jos
FirePrince [3d\]: white going to attack f3 group?
SaiSlayer: i can predict future.... someone will win...
gureborn1 [1k\]: =O spoiler
SaiSlayer: sorry...
SaiSlayer: mah bad
tonyp [1d\]: bold statement, could be quaduple ko
Rottamies [6k\]: tonyp who are u asking
Hotascurry [5k\]: now way, a quad ko will happen
hohoho [2k\]: triple ko not cool enough?
Hotascurry [5k\]: tonyp knows
q15p17r14 [2d\]: I was just thinking that. Back in my day, triple ko was enough for a no result
tonyp [1d\]: there was a quadruple ko in the Fujitsu Cup
SaiSlayer: why is the timer not running?
hohoho [2k\]: because it's a demo
]
;W[id]C[tas6466 [5k?\]: nice play
Nyanjilla [-\]: because it''s a relay, not the actual game
TitanPupil [1k\]: because this is a demo he is simply relaying the moves going on in real life
kcharris12 [1k\]: usgo is demonstrating
Nosabe [-\]: a leaning attack
SaiSlayer: awww man
Quaxi [5k\]: uh
Cos [2k\]: i like it :)
SaiSlayer: wtb livestream
USGO1 [-\]: bill plays j16 and goes back to staring at the f9 group
manofearth [?\]: whoah! never occurred 2me 2tenuki
tonyp [1d\]: this is a conventional shape
FirePrince [3d\]: hmm
aristokrat [2d\]: like the idea of this move
MaLa [3d\]: j16
thwest [?\]: there should be a twitch.tv stream with commentary -_- 
MaLa [3d\]: again
MaLa [3d\]: :D
oskarv [2d\]: before j16 instead of k16
JosEquis [1d\]: is this a forcing move before attacking f7?
MaLa [3d\]: gan also played that shape j16 vs calvin
SaiSlayer: there is no twitch game, just meepsie
tonyp [1d\]: j15 is normal
yunoo: j16 kinda attacking f3 actually
q15p17r14 [2d\]: j16 will give white some support for j10 against f9
Quaxi [5k\]: strenghtening the top left to attack strong f9?
tas6466 [5k?\]: e15?
tonyp [1d\]: exacty yuno
tonyp [1d\]: this is a leaning attack
tonyp [1d\]: to make the attack on f3 more sever
manofearth [?\]: and the follow after k15?
yunoo: well, its sure a far one
Rottamies [6k\]: leaning attack should not be anything special. every go move should intend on doing several things
palapiku [-\]: nothing closer to lean on...
JosEquis [1d\]: lean on me
palapiku [-\]: ok
Cos [2k\]: when youre not strong
yunoo: lean on jos
Quaxi [5k\]: *mm*
JosEquis [1d\]: I don't always play Go, but when I do, I prefer JosEquis
yunoo: i wonder if b can ignor and take care of his group
HighStoner [4k\]: that's pretty funny
jasz [1d\]: no ignore
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;B[dj]C[jussayin: :)
Quaxi [5k\]: why he can't?
Quaxi [5k\]: uh
MaLa [3d\]: :D
HunyBadger [2k\]: he just did ignore
supercat [1k\]: ???????????????????????????????????????????????????/
MrEmDash [1d\]: would rather lose some points than a whole group
Quaxi [5k\]: reasons for not ignoring?
]
;W[jc]C[yunoo: might be bigger in a long term
MrEmDash [1d\]: chop the arm to save the body essentially
]
;B[kc]C[supercat [1k\]: maybe
]
;W[je]
;B[kd]C[kurii [3d\]: m16 feels weird if you are just going to ignore j16 
]
;W[em]C[supercat [1k\]: but b would probably live anyway
]
;B[el]
;W[gl]
;B[fl]C[MacGyver [3k\]: why no kosumi tsuke
chanyukfai: d10 looks bad
supercat [1k\]: 99%
]
;W[bl]C[MacGyver [3k\]: w looking for fight
Quaxi [5k\]: for sure
asdfasdfe: d10 is big
supercat [1k\]: yes
chanyukfai: if he intends to go that way, should c11 instead of d10
]
;B[ic]C[supercat [1k\]: not solid wnough
chanyukfai: I mean c12
supercat [1k\]: ok
MacGyver [3k\]: c17 now
Cos [2k\]: f11?
MacGyver [3k\]: for b
asdfasdfe: c12 doesnt help the weak black group
asdfasdfe: d10 was ok
]
;W[ch]C[ThiGar [4k\]: i thought b8 was sente
asdfasdfe: as long as they have space for eyes, white wont get much points on left
Quaxi [5k\]: he switched back to the original plan
Xinhui [3k\]:  f12 for black now?
Rottamies [6k\]: c17
Rottamies [6k\]: then hope for a miracle with regards to livign with f3
asdfasdfe: f12 is more like dame
]
;B[er]
;W[dr]
;B[gr]C[asdfasdfe: since so many stones are now the center, either black or white really wants to play there
]
;W[hc]
;B[jb]C[manofearth [?\]: ??
Xom1: to me, biggest areas seem upper left and o14 area
chanyukfai: b stones in lower left are very inefficient
Muttley [2k\]: Here to cheer :)
ThiGar [4k\]: top left corner nor invadable any more?
ThiGar [4k\]: right*
manofearth [?\]: their efficiency is in the upper and middle right of the board
asdfasdfe: its too solid now
Gabesoda [4k\]: top left is invadable at c17
]
;W[ie]C[ThiGar [4k\]: i meant top right 
manofearth [?\]: now.....
Gabesoda [4k\]: c17 now
asdfasdfe: white wants black connect under
asdfasdfe: c17 small, black has miai
asdfasdfe: h18 or c17 they are equal
]
;B[ds]C[Lsugyen [6d\]: yup
asdfasdfe: he should focus on his left group
]
;W[cr]C[Gabesoda [4k\]: j3
Gabesoda [4k\]: ?
Hotascurry [5k\]: if b goes under, white middle is floating
]
;B[cc]C[Lsugyen [6d\]: black looks good
]
;W[dc]
;B[db]C[chanyukfai: w is already ahead
Lsugyen [6d\]: really?
]
;W[go]
;B[fo]C[MrEmDash [1d\]: kinda doubt that
]
;W[hr]C[asdfasdfe: thats what i mean, black shouldnt really invade c17
Quaxi [5k\]: kinda doubt too and i cheer bill :)
Xinhui [3k\]: H3
hobajons [-\]: no go calvin
yunoo: kinda gambling with his group tho, very confident i guess
nachodude [-\]: yeah, black should resign already, what is he doing...
hobajons [-\]: black has won!
hobajons [-\]: just watch
]
;B[dh]C[Gabesoda [4k\]: M 14 looking big
asdfasdfe: now whites centers stones are perfect for attacking
asdfasdfe: every stone of white now shines on board...
q15p17r14 [2d\]: That looks very difficult to attack
Quaxi [5k\]: hoba i think your extreme cheering kinda jinxed calvin the previous game ^^
hobajons [-\]: i guess
SuiKage [2d\]: it's not like he can see the comments
hobajons [-\]: but i really awnt him to win ;D
evave [4k\]: i think b has more terri
iwin [2k\]: jinxing isn't real
Norwazy [2d?\]: is this second game of finals?
manofearth [?\]: m14 lookinglike a losing move 2me
SuiKage [2d\]: this is the last game
SuiKage [2d\]: who ever wins is the pro
ThiGar [4k\]: last game offinals
tas6466 [5k?\]: l13 looks nice
asdfasdfe: i could be triple ko
asdfasdfe: just find the kos...
manofearth [?\]: then it wouldn't count asagame
MacGyver [3k\]: f14 if want to ill
chanyukfai: good time for c16
MacGyver [3k\]: otherwise lose
sume [-\]: whos winning?
Hotascurry [5k\]: w
MaLa [3d\]: one of them
Muttley [2k\]: black is better, sume?
Cos [2k\]: the government
Muttley [2k\]: top right is too much at the moment for w
evave [4k\]: b more cash imo
DeLonge [6k\]: the govement never wins!
sume [-\]: B has a lot more cash
dencarl [3k\]: b more secure pts
sume [-\]: and i dont think W can harrass B group that much
dencarl [3k\]: w must kill dragon
iwin [2k\]: that isn't going to die
dencarl [3k\]: long shot
Quaxi [5k\]: well the group in the last game that died seemed even more difficult to kill and died 
gocanbefun [2k\]: w wants to attack  is c13 to slow?
Malingo [5d\]: how about e12 ?
ThiGar [4k\]: yes, c16 first
dencarl [3k\]: is c17 sente?
dencarl [3k\]: *16
hobajons [-\]: no
MaLa [3d\]: not entirely
Malingo [5d\]: c16 might be too small
asdfasdfe: like hell, black will c16 now
MacGyver [3k\]: so if b alive it's even?
MacGyver [3k\]: when
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;W[eh]C[sume [-\]: LOL
MaLa [3d\]: if b lives without losing anthing, b ahead
sume [-\]: OP MOVE
MacGyver [3k\]: done even
MaLa [3d\]: but it all depends on the price he has to pay for his life
gocanbefun [2k\]: nice
MaLa [3d\]: and maligo had it spot on
aristokrat [2d\]: op move is op
dencarl [3k\]: yes, i think so MaLa.  must chase dragon
Hotascurry [5k\]: malingo called it
sume [-\]: i get the feeling that this is a bluff
hobajons [-\]: same
woodrose [1d\]: what is OP move
gunmanjoe [5d\]: yo justin can I be let back in
liptos [4k\]: overpowered
Enceladus [2d?\]: chasing the dragon...
Quaxi [5k\]: overplay?
Quaxi [5k\]: op?
tonyp [1d\]: yes, anyone could be watching
sume [-\]: h3 now
asdfasdfe: if black lose c17 because he has to live, means that his coner invade was to early
Enceladus [2d?\]: I read op as optimal
xDragon [?\]: overplay or overpowered
Rottamies [6k\]: d13?
MaLa [3d\]: almost the same, xdragon
MaLa [3d\]: :D
xDragon [?\]: knowing hugh, its overplay
Malingo [5d\]: d13 d11 
manofearth [?\]: if b lives without paying anything, then Calvin will have had2gamble 2have extracted a greater price.
iwin [2k\]: op=overpowered
Rottamies [6k\]: then c11 and c13
Quaxi [5k\]: overpowered in go means?
sume [-\]: op = overpowered
sume [-\]: but maybe its overplay too
sume [-\]: hehe
dencarl [3k\]: i guess it means too aggressive?
liptos [4k\]: overpowered means too much power
Quaxi [5k\]: that is overplay?
MaLa [3d\]: no
tonyp [1d\]: an overplay is trying to achieve something you can't
MaLa [3d\]: nope...
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;B[di]
;W[dg]C[Kable [2k\]: :o
sume [-\]: :OOO
Quaxi [5k\]: ie you're too agrressive
manofearth [?\]: anyway. w has already extrqcted sincer b had2 decide not 2tAke all of UR corner
sume [-\]: why connect?
hobajons [-\]: hes scared
tas6466 [5k?\]: sente?
KouUraki [25k\]: HOTASCURRY
Quaxi [5k\]: was difficult to answer any other way i guess
Enceladus [2d?\]: b feared complications? 
tonyp [1d\]: to stop d13 from being sente
Hotascurry [5k\]: KOUURAKI
tonyp [1d\]: B could f12 I think
Rottamies [6k\]: b let w get way too good result 
dencarl [3k\]: w gets nothing if dragon makes eyes
T4L0N [1d\]: bill is good at complicated
Quaxi [5k\]: how did bill did last year?
chanyukfai: w's approach seems too direct, might backfire on him
MaLa [3d\]: calvin didnt look bad at difficult games vs gan either
MaLa [3d\]: ,)
Enceladus [2d?\]: yeah so calvin wants to avoid them and keep board advantage
Malingo [5d\]: f12 next?
hobajons [-\]: ja
Quaxi [5k\]: some moves in the top left?
Rottamies [6k\]: e17
dencarl [3k\]: b can't let w get g11  ... so tenuki unlikely
Rottamies [6k\]: or yea g11
Rottamies [6k\]: ;E
SuiKage [2d\]: if tenuki b will die
Rottamies [6k\]: ok thought b already has 2 eyes
Norwazy [2d?\]: be has 0 eyes
]
;B[fi]C[dencarl [3k\]: f2 not eye
Quaxi [5k\]: g3
gureborn1 [1k\]: he has half an eye?
gureborn1 [1k\]: XD
Rottamies [6k\]: oh ye f2 can be turned into false eye
Quaxi [5k\]: kinda :)
Gabesoda [4k\]: g3 doesn't make an eye
Quaxi [5k\]: killsa an eye
Malingo [5d\]: f2 gote eye
Rottamies [6k\]: h3 makes eye?
MaLa [3d\]: in gote
Gabesoda [4k\]: how does f2 make an eye?
Gabesoda [4k\]: g1 poke out?
Gabesoda [4k\]: or e1 poke
Quaxi [5k\]: also g3 makes it a false eye
]
;W[eb]C[tas6466 [5k?\]: g3 is where b would go for the eye
]
;B[cb]
;W[fb]C[dencarl [3k\]: w has weakness around h2 and g5 stones.  gote eye is possible
]
;B[be]C[Malingo [5d\]: h3 j3 g3 j2 f1 eye
iwin [2k\]: w0w tenuki
MaLa [3d\]: brilliant reading malingo!
hobajons [-\]: oh
hobajons [-\]: this is what happned?
hobajons [-\]: same as commentary
]
;W[lf]C[Quaxi [5k\]: uh
SuiKage [2d\]: not exactly tenuki, w uses forcing moves to live in the corner
Malingo [5d\]: just trying to help
SuiKage [2d\]: to force b to live
SuiKage [2d\]: so attack is more feirce
SuiKage [2d\]: but if b lives it's gg
Quaxi [5k\]: but now b 3 corners
Gabesoda [4k\]: ty Malingo, i appreciate the explanation
Quaxi [5k\]: and if the dragon lives it's over
]
;B[fg]C[sume [-\]: B is not going to die
sume [-\]: and its not quite so simple as living and winning
Rottamies [6k\]: o14 severe
MaLa [3d\]: hm... what would be the proper move for white to romove the f2 eye? is there any way it could be done without leaving terrible aji for ko etc? (not that i think white would ever try to take that eye)
MaLa [3d\]: oh
]
;W[rp]C[MaLa [3d\]: just h3
MaLa [3d\]: lol
MaLa [3d\]: too easy...
MaLa [3d\]: :(
hobajons [-\]: he wont have enough points
hobajons [-\]: if he did that
Norwazy [2d?\]: very hard to play h3 as black in gote
dread [4d\]: h3 is simple enough for that i guess
dencarl [3k\]: if w can seal in dragon then h3 is last move
cgarlock [2k\]: just posted photo of the game/players on the AGA website: http://www.usgo.org/
MaLa [3d\]: yeah, was thinking about all other moves but h3 for white :D
]
;B[gc]C[croc [4d\]: WHAT?!
sume [-\]: B GOING ALL IN
sume [-\]: LEGGO
liptos [4k\]: chill pplz
hobajons [-\]: OMG
hobajons [-\]: DO IT
xDragon [?\]: chris i think the annotation for the pic is wrong
hobajons [-\]: GOD HAND
Xom1: w needs something for compensation
Rottamies [6k\]: b stones low right okay?
sume [-\]: yea they wont die
croc [4d\]: these two gladiators are both trying to win the audience
hobajons [-\]: just kill it all
cgarlock [2k\]: sorry, forgot to update from previous pic
hobajons [-\]: just took all the pts w had here
hobajons [-\]: in sente
hobajons [-\]: omg
hobajons [-\]: too good
ThiGar [4k\]: nice job cgar
iwin [2k\]: calgod
iwin [2k\]: godvin
MrEmDash [1d\]: wot the
nkb [8k\]: this live?
Enceladus [2d?\]: close but no, cgar ^^
]
;W[ff]C[Rottamies [6k\]: j18
gocanbefun [2k\]: w is looking at the whole board....fun too watch
Enceladus [2d?\]: h18
Gabesoda [4k\]: anything wrong with living at e13 now?
Malingo [5d\]: g13 seems too painful
Malingo [5d\]: e13 then g18 works
ThiGar [4k\]: does f14 attack the dragon + f17?
liptos [4k\]: i wanna see the dragon go down in fiery explosion
Hotascurry [5k\]: you and me both
marcellus [4k\]: video somewhere?
Greenfuse [2k\]: maybe W wants sente for r2
asdfasdfe: the flow of game if good for white now
Greenfuse [2k\]: and will sac a few points at the top to get it
ThiGar [4k\]: w r2 seems crushing
gocanbefun [2k\]: r4 group is getting weak too?
JosEquis [1d\]: what about white's upper left group(s)? aren't they weak at this point?
Vex [3d\]: how is the time left?
Greenfuse [2k\]: yes but f14 made them a bit hmore likely to connect
Quaxi [5k\]: i think w is keep ing it for the sente he will have at the end of the situation on the top left
Quaxi [5k\]: r2 i mean
]
;B[gf]C[dft [-\]: According to my clock W- 0:44, B-0:39
hobajons [-\]: ty
liptos [4k\]: es muy complicado
]
;W[gg]C[hume [4k\]: molto difficile, certo
Vex [3d\]: o3?
manofearth [?\]: I had 2shift locations 2get reception. how did w get  s4 unanswered in.? don't c a  ko
Rottamies [6k\]: g15 was weird..
Vex [3d\]: complicated is good for w :)
Xom1: well w needs some magic
]
;B[fh]
;W[ge]
;B[hf]C[Rottamies [6k\]: bb..
hobajons [-\]: get w
Enceladus [2d?\]: w had nothing to compete with top R
hobajons [-\]: for CALVIN
Rottamies [6k\]: actually h14 is genius
Enceladus [2d?\]: so complexated
ThiGar [4k\]: F15
SuiKage [2d\]: if i was in this position i'd cry
SuiKage [2d\]: as either b or w
SuiKage [2d\]: so much pressure
Kable [2k\]: ;(
applesauce [-\]: b is in better position
asdfasdfe: we should keep in mind that black still owes white 1 move at the rights corner
nkb [8k\]: earn that title guys
Enceladus [2d?\]: a pro must just enjoy the suffering
gureborn1 [1k\]: embrace the suffering.
hobajons [-\]: w is winning.. 
JosEquis [1d\]: suffer its embrace
gocanbefun [2k\]: h15 no idea so complicated
asdfasdfe: does calvin play on kgs?
hobajons [-\]: but go CALVIN
applesauce [-\]: yes
Hotascurry [5k\]: kbag
cranium [2d\]: bill must do some magic like the last one
manofearth [?\]: Suikage, u'd be a different U. maybe 1 who cld face pressure with skills far better than ur current 1's
MrEmDash [1d\]: what happened last game?
Malingo [5d\]: i would go all in at h13 
asdfasdfe: thx
applesauce [-\]: bill won last game
]
;W[hg]C[MrEmDash [1d\]: i know but why are people referring to magic
Hotascurry [5k\]: oh shiz
xDragon [?\]: bill killed a big group
gocanbefun [2k\]: if h13 -yes i see-all out attack
cranium [2d\]: when he was loosing
ThiGar [4k\]: malingo magic
MrEmDash [1d\]: i see
McMaster [-\]: you should review that last game, Dash, very exciting
Malingo [5d\]: luck
DrwsyClown [-\]: j13
]
;B[hb]C[applesauce [-\]: good move
Rottamies [6k\]: now b can kill c12 group?
cranium [2d\]: not luck
McMaster [-\]: the phantom stone helped too
hobajons [-\]: 冷静
Enceladus [2d?\]: h18 safe catch
cranium [2d\]: everybody is kind of nervous in this kind of games, he has to make is opponent making a mistake 
Xinhui [3k\]: 无理
DrwsyClown [-\]: did I miss something, b doesnt seem alive to me
hobajons [-\]: he si so alive lol
dencarl [3k\]: b will need some moves to 'formalize' his eyes :D
Xom1: b looks livable
nkb [8k\]: Why doesn't white ask him to show his eyes?
]
;W[hd]C[dencarl [3k\]: nkb, w is doing that, yes.
xDragon [?\]: cause he already did
MrEmDash [1d\]: the prob is that if w ruins b eye at the bottom b has two eyes in center
MrEmDash [1d\]: if w saves the stone b still has an eye in the center and just h3 to make eye on bot
dencarl [3k\]: is a long process.  that is the dance of dan-level fighting
MrEmDash [1d\]: doubt b is killable
Norwazy [2d?\]: white doesn't have time to kill eye at bottom
]
;B[gb]C[dencarl [3k\]: neither wants to give up sente etither
asdfasdfe: good move
base [-\]: It's too easy for black's f3 group to live. no way that's going to die. 
thesirjay [8k\]: ah sente is why he didn't do e17?
]
;W[fe]C[MrEmDash [1d\]: small
]
;B[mf]C[hobajons [-\]: isnt
dencarl [3k\]: yes, thesirjay.  too small to be sente
hobajons [-\]: o3 super big
MrEmDash [1d\]: why no s3 tho?
Schnapps [2k\]: I have the feeling that b wins this
kcharris12 [1k\]: n2?
]
;W[mg]
;B[nf]C[iwin [2k\]: what about bottom right
Enceladus [2d?\]: b confidently walk to the win
hobajons [-\]: omg
hobajons [-\]: it is not that simpl;e...
MrEmDash [1d\]: si i am curious about that
]
;W[qr]C[iwin [2k\]: oooo
Rottamies [6k\]: b dead
liptos [4k\]: bam
base [-\]: because r2 was better med.
MrEmDash [1d\]: i meant for black
Rottamies [6k\]: b must live or gg
sablesac [2d?\]: well obviously
Hotascurry [5k\]: what's the time at?
Quaxi [5k\]: i thought he was keeping it for now
Rottamies [6k\]: just stating for ddk's
dencarl [3k\]: about 20 minutes since last time check.   so both have 30+ mins on clock
Hotascurry [5k\]: cool
Rottamies [6k\]: o6
dft [-\]: W:34 B:30
Hotascurry [5k\]: thx
manofearth [?\]: it's obvious but not undeniably true. perhaps q3 can be sacked4 a lineof stones connecting 2 o8
Rottamies [6k\]: r3 then q2 in sente
USGO1 [-\]: b 27:00 remains, w, i can't see.
Gabesoda [4k\]: q2 is sente anyway
kcharris12 [1k\]: r3 s2
USGO1 [-\]: probably about the same
manofearth [?\]: bingo
DrwsyClown [-\]: hum, was there no second game between jianing gan and bill lin?
Vex [3d\]: thx usgo
cranium [2d\]: this is the second lol
MrEmDash [1d\]: that was a bo1 clown
kcharris12 [1k\]: o3 looks like good shape
Vex [3d\]: this is the third
DrwsyClown [-\]: l2read ;)
ThiGar [4k\]: n3
Vex [3d\]: first was earlier in tournie
YellowBell [-\]: xD he said jianing gan vs bill not bill and calvin
Mentalist [?\]: lol is black has 27 w has 33
applesauce [-\]: O5
Vex [3d\]: oh
Mentalist [?\]: minutes left
DrwsyClown [-\]: I see only one game played :S
Xom1: b now looks trouble locally
applesauce [-\]: b is fine
YellowBell [-\]: yeah because the loser bracket is only 1 match
DrwsyClown [-\]: oh I thought it was bo3
cranium [2d\]: ok srry
YellowBell [-\]: for the finals it is
Norwazy [2d?\]: bill must win 2, from loser bracket, calvin must win 1
DrwsyClown [-\]: isnt final bo5?
Schnapps [2k\]: no
Schnapps [2k\]: bo3
manofearth [?\]: what r the consolation prizes like
YellowBell [-\]: yeah its 1-1 between bill and calvin now
MrEmDash [1d\]: they didn't meet in a bo3 so it's a bo3
DrwsyClown [-\]: this is confusing 0.0
MrEmDash [1d\]: if they did it would be a bo5
HappyGuy [4d\]: this is final match right
MrEmDash [1d\]: weird system
xDragon [?\]: its not confusing
xDragon [?\]: there was just a lot of misinformation spread early
yunoo: yes, its final
DrwsyClown [-\]: well look at the table on the website
DrwsyClown [-\]: that's quite confusing 
xDragon [?\]: nah it makes sense
dread [4d\]: look at the pdf file for the touranment, not that confusing
nkb [8k\]: yea I thought it was already over based on the aga site, bit I guess I misread it or something
DrwsyClown [-\]: what, there's a pdf?
msgreg [14k?\]: Is there live commentary by MyungWan Kim, if so, where?
Hotascurry [5k\]: o6 or o5
DrwsyClown [-\]: I looked at http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-results-2013#results
DrwsyClown [-\]: second to last row is sg/bo3 XD
DrwsyClown [-\]: and last row is best 3 or 5
MrEmDash [1d\]: it's set up like that because it depends if they previously met or not
msgreg [14k?\]: PDF is "Full Rules" link on http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-results-2013
yunoo: can prob start with r3 ang go all the way to n3
DrwsyClown [-\]: er col
MrEmDash [1d\]: since jia ning and bill hadn't met it was a SG/bo1
RainierBob [2d?\]: look up info for "MyungWan then look at his games list.
MrEmDash [1d\]: since these two haven't met in a bo3 it's a bo3 in the final
RainierBob [2d?\]: You'll find the commentary there.
ThiGar [4k\]: Her's the pfd, Drowsy: http://www.usgo.org/files/pdf/2013-APQF-Rules_and_Regulations.pdf
Rottamies [6k\]: b having a tough time apparently
msgreg [14k?\]: RainierBob, thank you!
]
;B[nn]C[Enceladus [2d?\]: got to live with no damage
DrwsyClown [-\]: ok
Rottamies [6k\]: lol i actually suggested o6 at one point
Hotascurry [5k\]: same
MrEmDash [1d\]: hmm
Rottamies [6k\]: mby i should try to become a pro
nkb [8k\]: youre almost pro!
]
;W[nq]C[MrEmDash [1d\]: wow
woodrose [1d\]: who's winning?
nkb [8k\]: unclear to these eyes
MoonCrest [-\]: whoever made that sigh or yawn gets a high five
applesauce [-\]: b is
Enceladus [2d?\]: b imho
Rottamies [6k\]: lol w insta o3
evave [4k\]: n9 is huge imho
applesauce [-\]: o3 is not that good for w
MoonCrest [-\]: did w just lose game
MoonCrest [-\]: lol
hobajons [-\]: LOL
MoonCrest [-\]: bill playing so fast..
MrEmDash [1d\]: i do like b's position now
Gabesoda [4k\]: o7?
]
;B[mo]C[applesauce [-\]: good move
Rottamies [6k\]: o7 does not work
DrwsyClown [-\]: w needs points XD
bob123 [7k\]: cool
Rottamies [6k\]: true that XD
MrEmDash [1d\]: totally XD
DrwsyClown [-\]: m11?
Xom1: b escaped so not sure how w can win now imo
bob123 [7k\]: b P5
hobajons [-\]: if u listen
hobajons [-\]: to the commentary
hobajons [-\]: it is very close now
]
;W[lg]C[MrEmDash [1d\]: i hate when calvin does this
DrwsyClown [-\]: b ahead by about 4ish
MrEmDash [1d\]: trying to be ayabot
xDragon [?\]: if this becam ea half pont game that would be depressing to be on the losing end of it
Vex [3d\]: you speak about the mistakes a lot, but did they find any tesuji that impressed you?
DrwsyClown [-\]: m13 is cool
liptos [4k\]: w is good on points, b has big upper right, but thats all he got
croc [4d\]: Q-12 is white's hidden gem
shinkertif [1k\]: its not a close game
Rottamies [6k\]: m11
DrwsyClown [-\]: it is
Rottamies [6k\]: b needs to reduce
Rottamies [6k\]: im genius
iwin [2k\]: ayabot style lolol
DrwsyClown [-\]: but I think w is a bit short at the moment, but b can't make more points, w can
]
;B[np]C[manofearth [?\]: b also hasa small upper left
]
;W[op]
;B[no]
;W[oq]
;B[pn]C[DrwsyClown [-\]: r5?
]
;W[qq]
;B[lp]
;W[mq]C[iwin [2k\]: so fast
HighStoner [4k\]: m5
DrwsyClown [-\]: leave it for now?
HighStoner [4k\]: no way, isn't white m5 too much to allow?
]
;B[kn]
;W[pc]C[Rottamies [6k\]: highstoner l6 correct shape
DonValley [5d\]: o
Greenfuse [2k\]: here we go!
Rottamies [6k\]: otherwise good attempt
HighStoner [4k\]: yes i was just thinking maybe l8
]
;B[qc]C[Rottamies [6k\]: sure
Enceladus [2d?\]: light another fire
Rottamies [6k\]: l8 btw doesnt work
Norwazy [2d?\]: l8 doesn't stop m5 from w
Rottamies [6k\]: hahaha
HighStoner [4k\]: it was a work in progress :p
]
;W[qb]C[SuiKage [2d\]: q17 a mistake?
HighStoner [4k\]: but thanks
hobajons [-\]: wut
Rottamies [6k\]: np keep practicing
DrwsyClown [-\]: looking at what kind of aji might spawn
Norwazy [2d?\]: white live top right via ko or resign at this point it looks
Rottamies [6k\]: w cant live..
manofearth [?\]: w wants something: anything!
hobajons [-\]: NO
]
;B[oc]C[Rottamies [6k\]: p17.
Norwazy [2d?\]: it doesn't matter that it "doesnt work" rolt, there is always possibility of mistake by opponent.  you have to try
Quaxi [5k\]: doesn't seem a desperate try to me
FirePrince [3d\]: why doesn't w just e13 and kill the black group
Rottamies [6k\]: hmpf he just made the move when i wrote p17
]
;W[lq]
;B[kp]C[T4L0N [1d\]: he has 2 eyes
]
;W[kq]C[DrwsyClown [-\]: glad I'm not the only one who thought about killing that XD
T4L0N [1d\]: miai for h13 or e3
T4L0N [1d\]: @fireprince
]
;B[rh]C[applesauce [-\]: big point
DrwsyClown [-\]: s12 became huge
T4L0N [1d\]: e13\\h3*
]
;W[ec]C[kcharris12 [1k\]: was it too big?
applesauce [-\]: yes
hobajons [-\]: yes
]
;B[hi]C[hobajons [-\]: huge
Rottamies [6k\]: b q7 takes points and aims at kill
BOThater36 [4d\]: any1 pls update me, was Calvin lost this morning and this is the decisive game?
applesauce [-\]: nice
xDragon [?\]: yes bot
dencarl [3k\]: yes, final
FirePrince [3d\]: yes bothater
svartrev [4k\]: @BOThater, yes
BOThater36 [4d\]: thx, all
]
;W[ng]
;B[og]C[Rottamies [6k\]: why b reduce from the side which does not give him points at the same time
croc [4d\]: still kind of close, w not hopeless yet
BOThater36 [4d\]: looks white better?
hobajons [-\]: no
cranium [2d\]: w is ahead
]
;W[oh]C[Rottamies [6k\]: w actuaally ahead according to se
Rottamies [6k\]: but b can reduce
iwin [2k\]: se op
hobajons [-\]: se is bad
Norwazy [2d?\]: se is terrible
applesauce [-\]: can't trust se
Rottamies [6k\]: q13
]
;B[pg]C[Rottamies [6k\]: im genius
hobajons [-\]: u are pro
Norwazy [2d?\]: at least for a move
hobajons [-\]: \]ok ima call it b+8.5
xDragon [?\]: so its moer like b+2.5 right
]
;W[pm]C[xDragon [?\]: sine we know youre a superfan
hobajons [-\]: what
DrwsyClown [-\]: w+0.5
hobajons [-\]: q7 so bad
hobajons [-\]: omg
Rottamies [6k\]: b should j13
USGO1 [-\]: b 10:00 remains
hikarupro [9k\]: thanks
hobajons [-\]: m10!
hobajons [-\]: winning movve
hobajons [-\]: do it
USGO1 [-\]: dinner break is in 5:00 if the players so choose
iwin [2k\]: pls no
Rottamies [6k\]: w aheadddd
applesauce [-\]: no
MaLa [3d\]: USHO will starve again?
MaLa [3d\]: USGO
Rottamies [6k\]: and this i know, cuz se tells me so
BOThater36 [4d\]: zyoda, what u think?
croc [4d\]: how do the players look now
applesauce [-\]: b slighty better
yunoo: se doesnt work on aga rules
]
;B[jm]C[applesauce [-\]: w has no potiential
applesauce [-\]: now b has potiential
hobajons [-\]: yes
FirePrince [3d\]: all b has is the top right really
hobajons [-\]: q7 bad move
DrwsyClown [-\]: go bill
hobajons [-\]: very bad
MaLa [3d\]: all the player can think about right now is what to eat during dinner break
]
;W[nm]
;B[mm]
;W[ml]C[BOThater36 [4d\]: will B in byo an issue?
hobajons [-\]: ohgang
iwin [2k\]: oooo
hobajons [-\]: dang
Jermelle [-\]: yipe
hobajons [-\]: what
hobajons [-\]: og
]
;B[lm]C[DrwsyClown [-\]: bang
prime [-\]: oh baby
iwin [2k\]: wait what
DrwsyClown [-\]: n9
hobajons [-\]: what is bill doing
hobajons [-\]: LOL
applesauce [-\]: there's nothing
Jermelle [-\]: trying to win
tas6466 [5k?\]: b is like okay
DonValley [5d\]: b dead
cranium [2d\]: same nightmare begin for calvin :P
prime [-\]: i love the chat reaction
hobajons [-\]: gret out
DrwsyClown [-\]: I think w win here
hobajons [-\]: no
hobajons [-\]: u are wrong
hobajons [-\]: ;D
Hotascurry [5k\]: here we go bill
DrwsyClown [-\]: b lives but gotta give up o8
FirePrince [3d\]: yeah
applesauce [-\]: b is not killable
kcharris12 [1k\]: but now w has potential
prime [-\]: n9
MaLa [3d\]: so this move looks more like salad or do you think it will be some meat?
hobajons [-\]: he isnt
hobajons [-\]: gonna die
hobajons [-\]: lol
MaLa [3d\]: or mazbe just bread?
hobajons [-\]: w played so bad
Rottamies [6k\]: j6 makes life
hobajons [-\]: u guys dont realize
]
;W[mk]C[BOThater36 [4d\]: teacher Myungwan, would you give us some quick comments?
prime [-\]: :)
Jermelle [-\]: he wants the middle
applesauce [-\]: O10
hobajons [-\]: o10
hobajons [-\]: bot
hobajons [-\]: just go to the game
hobajons [-\]: has live commentary
Rottamies [6k\]: o10?
dencarl [3k\]: @Bot go to audio demo
]
;B[nj]C[hobajons [-\]:  YES
DrwsyClown [-\]: o10 only choice for b, live or die like a man
hobajons [-\]: CALVIN HAS IT
Rottamies [6k\]: im genius
iwin [2k\]: cya
hobajons [-\]: nerd
MrEmDash [1d\]: hobajons please stop pressing the enter key so often
USGO1 [-\]: The players have elected to play in lieu of a dinner break
]
;W[mj]C[AldousDert [13k?\]: where do I go for this game?
TitanPupil [1k\]: eating is overrated
Slayne [8k?\]: Myungwan doing audio commentary in Active Tab game :^)
hobajons [-\]: emdash refrain from trolling pls
DrwsyClown [-\]: interesting
Rottamies [6k\]: k10 ftw
BOThater36 [4d\]: I give my 100% support to Calvin, he is from my Go club
hobajons [-\]: HE IS GOD
TitanPupil [1k\]: where, bothater?
BOThater36 [4d\]: no, he is kid
hobajons [-\]: he is godkid
]
;B[in]C[USSRMan [3d\]: calvin sun is like 18
hobajons [-\]: 16
TitanPupil [1k\]: 16
DrwsyClown [-\]: gg
Jimmy3d [-\]: l0l
applesauce [-\]: game over
hobajons [-\]: wait
Rottamies [6k\]: told ya j6 makes life
]
;W[nh]C[hobajons [-\]: isnt he 17
]
;B[ph]C[BOThater36 [4d\]: junior at high school
FirePrince [3d\]: how is it game over
iwin [2k\]: gggggggg
hobajons [-\]: GG
hobajons [-\]: B WINS
DrwsyClown [-\]: j12
liptos [4k\]: eh?
hobajons [-\]: j6 so big
hobajons [-\]: omg
hobajons [-\]: its unreal
Jimmy3d [-\]: where is...white's territory o.o
hobajons [-\]: EXACLT
hobajons [-\]: y
BOThater36 [4d\]: J11
]
;W[il]C[DrwsyClown [-\]: hum, lower right
DrwsyClown [-\]: center got potential now too
FirePrince [3d\]: b has not much either
Jimmy3d [-\]: compared to b's top right o.e
xDragon [?\]: they just want it to game over so their friend winds
]
;B[jo]C[FirePrince [3d\]: all b has is top right
Quaxi [5k\]: uhm lower left
]
;W[lo]C[DrwsyClown [-\]: lower left is big too
]
;B[ko]C[Xom1: well w has bottom points
USSRMan [3d\]: hope the canadian win
Jimmy3d [-\]: nope
kcharris12 [1k\]: k8
Rottamies [6k\]: j5
TitanPupil [1k\]: its triple miai alive...
applesauce [-\]: w has only 50
TitanPupil [1k\]: 0or something
applesauce [-\]: b has about 67
AldousDert [13k?\]: how long has this game been going?
SuiKage [2d\]: 7.5 komi
DrwsyClown [-\]: m5 is just for n6 point
Jimmy3d [-\]: The whole AN stands firmly behind Calvin >:o WE BELIEVE!
Rottamies [6k\]: w ahead
ricedragon [1d\]: .-.
MrEmDash [1d\]: clavin please :\]
hobajons [-\]: YES
USSRMan [3d\]: what is AN
hobajons [-\]: GO CALVIN
hobajons [-\]: WE LOVE U
hobajons [-\]: wot wot
iwin [2k\]: i have belief in clabin
hobajons [-\]: calwin
ricedragon [1d\]: believe in AN
hobajons [-\]: AN
MrEmDash [1d\]: hobajons please
hobajons [-\]: ftw
cranium [2d\]: bill win
hobajons [-\]: !!!!
hobajons [-\]: no
hobajons [-\]: get out
TitanPupil [1k\]: no
T4L0N [1d\]: .....
TitanPupil [1k\]: bill win
hobajons [-\]: ;D
hobajons [-\]: no
hobajons [-\]: AN represent
applesauce [-\]: did u guys even count?
TitanPupil [1k\]: hoba i played u redmond cup round 1
Jimmy3d [-\]: represent!
cranium [2d\]: bill win ! bill win !
hikarupro [9k\]: bill win
hobajons [-\]: oh yes
hobajons [-\]: i remember
manofearth [?\]: USA. #1. Yeahoo00ooo0o0!!
TitanPupil [1k\]: i dont
T4L0N [1d\]: You guys are killing me. xD
hobajons [-\]: this game
hobajons [-\]: is so intesne its killinmg me
xDragon [?\]: can some admins in here controll the spamming
kcharris12 [1k\]: no way to gain from attacking l5, hard for w
Rottamies [6k\]: where b sente moves
Mysto [?\]: my votes on bill winning
cranium [2d\]: bill win is his new nickname
DrwsyClown [-\]: bill will win :D
Rottamies [6k\]: kill bill winning
thesirjay [8k\]: j5 seems nice
hobajons [-\]: i bet its dinner
hobajons [-\]: lol
thesirjay [8k\]: sure b will live but shrug
TitanPupil [1k\]: they are playng thru dinner
DrwsyClown [-\]: its not about killing b here
DrwsyClown [-\]: thats impossible XD
cranium [2d\]: j3 big
Rottamies [6k\]: j5 or l8
MrEmDash [1d\]: b can ignore either
yunoo: in terms of direction maybe 
Greenfuse [2k\]: or j11?
yunoo: l8
Rottamies [6k\]: yes
Rottamies [6k\]: but if b ignores then w gets theo ther one in sente
Jimmy3d [-\]: Man, next congress I'm bringing a truck load of cups, trophies, tshirts and crap so calvin can sign. Then I'd be rich selling them on ilke ebay or smth =3
kcharris12 [1k\]: can w threaten f6?
hobajons [-\]: LOL
hobajons [-\]: good idea
iwin [2k\]: lol
MrEmDash [1d\]: no f6 is live
hobajons [-\]: and now i get free teaching games
]
;W[ih]C[hikarupro [9k\]: is e2 group dead? someone explain 
hobajons [-\]: from a pro
regigigas [5d\]: I think w wins easily
DrwsyClown [-\]: ;)
applesauce [-\]: push
Rottamies [6k\]: j4...
Jimmy3d [-\]: e2 group is a live I think
USSRMan [3d\]: i think game is close
Jimmy3d [-\]: too much aji on the right
Xom1: hmm w now has some nice new points
DrwsyClown [-\]: push only move
Rottamies [6k\]: u will all be dissapointed when u see calvin losing
HighStoner [4k\]: f2 and e10 are undeniable eyes
DrwsyClown [-\]: I wont be
DrwsyClown [-\]: I'll be happy
Jimmy3d [-\]: We will be disappointed, but calvin won't be losing :)
Maisha [1k\]: if e2 was dead then game would be over...
]
;B[pp]
;W[pr]C[hobajons [-\]: 9p just said
]
;B[qn]
;W[rn]C[hobajons [-\]: black gets 5 pts here he is winning
]
;B[ii]
;W[ji]C[Rottamies [6k\]: k12
ricedragon [1d\]: is time for godlike endgame
hobajons [-\]: yes
ricedragon [1d\]: calvinstyle
hobajons [-\]: he is so good at endgame
climbtrees [6k\]: k10
Jimmy3d [-\]: or the world largest throws
USGO1 [-\]: b 5:00 remains
DrwsyClown [-\]: k10 pretty much only move
hobajons [-\]: tengen would be cool
Jermelle [-\]: mhm
hobajons [-\]: but its bad
Jimmy3d [-\]: is J3 any good o.0?
freepoints [10k\]: omg
DrwsyClown [-\]: well, unless b takes sente elsewhere
lapindix [6k\]: K10?
regigigas [5d\]: cant believe 9p would resort to such an ambiguous statement
FirePrince [3d\]: what'd he say?
]
;B[bk]C[Rottamies [6k\]: WHAT
hobajons [-\]: says the 5d
applesauce [-\]: big
kcharris12 [1k\]: b9 very big
hobajons [-\]: good move
Rottamies [6k\]: smallest ive seen
hobajons [-\]: god has started
hobajons [-\]: his endgame
braincrash [?\]: pshaw
DrwsyClown [-\]: c9?
ThiGar [4k\]: really big because w had b14 followed by c11
Vex [3d\]: hi gansheng :) who do you want as new rival?
]
;W[cl]C[BOThater36 [4d\]: whie will prevail + 2.5
Rottamies [6k\]: see what happens with b9..
Gansheng [1p\]: ha
]
;B[jj]
;W[ki]C[Gansheng [1p\]: exciting
hobajons [-\]: how was korea
FirePrince [3d\]: my bet's on white
kcharris12 [1k\]: b increased his potential eyes while reducing w
roln1111 [-\]: same here fire
FirePrince [3d\]: oh hello Gansheng
]
;B[hh]
;W[ig]C[ashkatriz [-\]: lol
ashkatriz [-\]: gangsheng
applesauce [-\]: k9
nd67 [6d\]: look at SE
BOThater36 [4d\]: B cant cut C13, white wins
hobajons [-\]: l9
croc [4d\]: Gansheng w still has any chance?
roln1111 [-\]: dont have se on laptop
applesauce [-\]: end this game
FirePrince [3d\]: ah
hobajons [-\]: l9
croc [4d\]: seems slightly behind to me
hobajons [-\]: end the game
hobajons [-\]: its over
Rottamies [6k\]: k9
prime [-\]: Gansheng, whos winning?
hobajons [-\]: l9!!!!
Rottamies [6k\]: or l9
DrwsyClown [-\]: close game
hobajons [-\]: l9
hobajons [-\]: omg
hobajons [-\]: do it
iwin [2k\]: l9 gg
FirePrince [3d\]: b14 seems big for white later
hobajons [-\]: YES
Jimmy3d [-\]: calm yourself
hobajons [-\]: DO IT
]
;B[jk]C[Gansheng [1p\]: black should be ahead
hobajons [-\]: its over
hobajons [-\]: GGG
roln1111 [-\]: lol
xDragon [?\]: yeah calm down, its not that big of a deal.
prime [-\]: hah
roln1111 [-\]: gg no re
]
;W[hn]C[braincrash [?\]: b+5
hobajons [-\]: j4
hobajons [-\]: end him
]
;B[io]C[hobajons [-\]: yes
hobajons [-\]: YES
Rottamies [6k\]: j4 ??????????
iwin [2k\]: finish him
hobajons [-\]: oh wait
Rottamies [6k\]: lol
Rottamies [6k\]: j5 better
TitanPupil [1k\]: lol
iwin [2k\]: he coulda j3
hobajons [-\]: over
hobajons [-\]: resgin
hobajons [-\]: sorry
odnihs [5d\]: he can still j3
xDragon [?\]: finally
nd67 [6d\]: over for who?_
hobajons [-\]: w
applesauce [-\]: w
roln1111 [-\]: w
Jimmy3d [-\]: w
TitanPupil [1k\]: w
hobajons [-\]: w
xDragon [?\]: b
isbhal [3d\]: w
iwin [2k\]: w
hikarupro [9k\]: w
hobajons [-\]: w
nd67 [6d\]: b
roln1111 [-\]: LOL
Jermelle [-\]: W
]
;W[ho]C[TitanPupil [1k\]: b
T4L0N [1d\]: b
cranium [2d\]: can't handle this pressure omg
dread [4d\]: wow if calvin becomes pro
Hotascurry [5k\]: b
hobajons [-\]: j2
Rottamies [6k\]: j4 
odnihs [5d\]: CALVIN
isbhal [3d\]: just one pro this year ?
]
;B[hq]
;W[iq]
;B[gq]
;W[ip]C[applesauce [-\]: yes
T4L0N [1d\]: yes, only one
applesauce [-\]: j2
]
;B[ir]C[isbhal [3d\]: European pro this year 
roln1111 [-\]: thought they were already pro
Jimmy3d [-\]: so big
hobajons [-\]: worst move
]
;W[jr]C[nkb [8k\]: how many american professionals are there now?
]
;B[hs]C[hobajons [-\]: lol
MoonCrest [-\]: there are 2
iwin [2k\]: gmferng
isbhal [3d\]: 2
T4L0N [1d\]: 2 currently
MoonCrest [-\]: soon to be 3
Rottamies [6k\]: c1..
T4L0N [1d\]: 3 after this tourney
hobajons [-\]: wow
isbhal [3d\]: but european pro will be better <3
ashkatriz [-\]: andy and who?
hobajons [-\]: omg
]
;W[ik]C[dread [4d\]: i can brag that i lost to him by 5.5 as white 
nkb [8k\]: these are exciting times
hobajons [-\]: calvin
MoonCrest [-\]: Gansheng
hobajons [-\]: what are u doing
Greenfuse [2k\]: I wish both players well but Bill has always been friendly on KGS
T4L0N [1d\]: Gansheng
DrwsyClown [-\]: w got sente yose
]
;B[jl]C[DrwsyClown [-\]: that's nice
ashkatriz [-\]: i swear gansheng is canadian though
T4L0N [1d\]: Look at the 1p on the upper right.
ashkatriz [-\]: didnt you play pair go with Irene
MoonCrest [-\]: according to myungwan w loses
MoonCrest [-\]: lol
MoonCrest [-\]: or did up until a certain point
Gansheng [1p\]: Should be gg at this point
Gansheng [1p\]: Good night guys
MoonCrest [-\]: hi gansheng
MoonCrest [-\]: :)
TitanPupil [1k\]: good night
FirePrince [3d\]: good night
Jimmy3d [-\]: Goodnight!
hobajons [-\]: good night
MoonCrest [-\]: goodnight
Jermelle [-\]: night
Jermelle [-\]: gg
hobajons [-\]: come back to america
Hotascurry [5k\]: night ;)
Jimmy3d [-\]: we miss you
prime [-\]: wut
hobajons [-\]: lol jimmy u almost beat gansheng that one time
dread [4d\]: good night
]
;W[bj]C[hobajons [-\]: in ing masters
Jimmy3d [-\]: shaddap
]
;B[cs]
;W[bs]C[MoonCrest [-\]: wasn't he in america? he told me he was busy at uni
]
;B[es]C[MoonCrest [-\]: when i emailed
Jimmy3d [-\]: he crushed me in 50 moves
SuiKage [2d\]: gg congratz b on 1p
MoonCrest [-\]: but that was several months ago
dread [4d\]: if calvin wins i can brag i lost to him by 5.5 as white
T4L0N [1d\]: He is in korea
Jermelle [-\]: mgm
T4L0N [1d\]: Training
MoonCrest [-\]: oh ok
]
;W[bf]C[MoonCrest [-\]: because i emailed him about his lessons, and he said he was not currently taking any. And that he was busy with school
Rottamies [6k\]: w can still win
TitanPupil [1k\]: game is not over
roln1111 [-\]: dread i lost to a lot of pros by less than 10. i think they try to  be nice when teaching
croc [4d\]: last trick move :)
MoonCrest [-\]: according to myungwan it is
MoonCrest [-\]: titan
USGO1 [-\]: b 1:00 remains
MoonCrest [-\]: and according to gansheng
MoonCrest [-\]: :P
TitanPupil [1k\]: ok read hikaru no go
USGO1 [-\]: w >10:00
hobajons [-\]: dont die clvin
MoonCrest [-\]: who cares of hikaru no go
Jermelle [-\]: LOL
MoonCrest [-\]: at this point
MoonCrest [-\]: xD
Rottamies [6k\]: funny how certain even the pro was about b winning
ashkatriz [-\]: cmon bill
hobajons [-\]: n o
applesauce [-\]: calvin endgame is better
hobajons [-\]: yes
Rottamies [6k\]: i thinkg the game is still close
ashkatriz [-\]: use your swimming powers
hobajons [-\]: just dont die here
xDragon [?\]: but b has less time
ThiGar [4k\]: can't remember the expression; "It ain't over till... ?"
Jermelle [-\]: timesujis
Jermelle [-\]: thats low ^_
MoonCrest [-\]: will b lose on time..?
MoonCrest [-\]: hope not
FirePrince [3d\]: it ain't over till the fat lady sings
ThiGar [4k\]: thx
FirePrince [3d\]: lol
MoonCrest [-\]: who says the fat lady's gonna sing?
cranium [2d\]: w win this easy
MoonCrest [-\]: maybe she'll burp...
USSRMan [3d\]: imposible to lose on time
hobajons [-\]: w lost 
Rottamies [6k\]: c15 obvious
hobajons [-\]: geez
gureborn1 [1k\]: timesuji is fair , since they both have the same amouth  =O
chanyukfai: b ahead 10~12 on the board
gureborn1 [1k\]: amountt
Rottamies [6k\]: no c15 sux
FirePrince [3d\]: c15 b13
MoonCrest [-\]: lol chan
cranium [2d\]: hopeless for black
Xinhui [3k\]: they should come up with a new baduk anime alr
hobajons [-\]: this cranium
MoonCrest [-\]: yes xin
cranium [2d\]: we now see who the best
]
;B[ce]C[yunoo: b69 w63 i get
Rottamies [6k\]: told ya c15 worx
hobajons [-\]: yep caqlvin
prime [-\]: white wins
Jermelle [-\]: gg
BOThater36 [4d\]: can w B16?
]
;W[ae]C[TitanPupil [1k\]: it's not over
nd67 [6d\]: ...
Jimmy3d [-\]: kooo? :o
ricedragon [1d\]: Rottamies [6k\]: no c15 sux
MrEmDash [1d\]: it seems pretty close 
nd67 [6d\]: is b alright?
MrEmDash [1d\]: but idk
croc [4d\]: if this kills b will regret in eternity
Jermelle [-\]: come on calvin!
]
;B[ad]C[MoonCrest [-\]: aw come on
BOThater36 [4d\]: b short of time, trouble
Rottamies [6k\]: ricedragon i told contrariwise in another spot
TitanPupil [1k\]: what?
Jermelle [-\]: lol
TitanPupil [1k\]: why a16 
hobajons [-\]: CALVIN
Jimmy3d [-\]: o double ko, nvm
hobajons [-\]: pls
Rottamies [6k\]: b16
TitanPupil [1k\]: isnt it usually b16
iwin [2k\]: wait what the
USSRMan [3d\]: kghin can kill black
iwin [2k\]: o god
hobajons [-\]: kghin is not god doe
Rottamies [6k\]: XDDD
hobajons [-\]: and calavin is
Rottamies [6k\]: U WERE SO SURE
Jermelle [-\]: LOL
cranium [2d\]: like i said b will lose
Rottamies [6k\]: AND I TOLD W WINS
]
;W[bd]
;B[cd]C[nkb [8k\]: shh
]
;W[ac]C[Jimmy3d [-\]: no
hobajons [-\]: read u guys
TitanPupil [1k\]: it's not over
Jermelle [-\]: it's not over
prime [-\]: its a ko
regigigas [5d\]: lol, this kibitz
SuiKage [2d\]: not a ko
johnny [6k\]: plenty of go left
USSRMan [3d\]: if it is ko white can win
Greenfuse [2k\]: only a flesh wound ...
SuiKage [2d\]: a18 b18 b17 a19 c14 b13 c19 
TitanPupil [1k\]: its not ko
ashkatriz [-\]: WHAT DID I JUST MISS
ashkatriz [-\]: WOOT
SuiKage [2d\]: b alive
ashkatriz [-\]: GO BILL
BOThater36 [4d\]: dont think b can live unconditionally
]
;B[de]C[hobajons [-\]: b is already alive
hobajons [-\]: just look
hobajons [-\]: at the 9p demo
Hotascurry [5k\]: bill got this
]
;W[ee]C[applesauce [-\]: b is alive
USSRMan [3d\]: well
Jimmy3d [-\]: it's alive
]
;B[ab]C[hobajons [-\]: what
croc [4d\]: why reducing own lib by one, calvin?
hobajons [-\]: omg
USSRMan [3d\]: d19 sente makes it too easy
hobajons [-\]: why
cranium [2d\]: better chances next year :P
roln1111 [-\]: timesuji
SuiKage [2d\]: why
cranium [2d\]: bill will not be there
hobajons [-\]: double ko
prime [-\]: kokokokoko
iwin [2k\]: o my god
applesauce [-\]: right
applesauce [-\]: double ko
Hotascurry [5k\]: ko my god
FirePrince [3d\]: b is alive
Jimmy3d [-\]: I called it so long ago :3
hikarupro [9k\]: ko for the game
BOThater36 [4d\]: B has D19
nkb [8k\]: hmm thats tricky
hobajons [-\]: its double ko
hobajons [-\]: just read
FirePrince [3d\]: d19 e19 b19 
]
;W[bb]C[cranium [2d\]: w may not need it
FirePrince [3d\]: oh its white's turn...
prime [-\]: boom!
FirePrince [3d\]: nvm
applesauce [-\]: b19
FirePrince [3d\]: lol that was stupid
cranium [2d\]: perhaps w can win without ko
USSRMan [3d\]: a man a plan
fssong [4d?\]: this reading is beyond my capabilities
woodrose [1d\]: the game begins
TitanPupil [1k\]: w0w
FirePrince [3d\]: lol
prime [-\]: ko!
TitanPupil [1k\]: b cant not ko
T4L0N [1d\]: W is going for ko
Jermelle [-\]: keiju is gonna win
Jimmy3d [-\]: nah C14 push
]
;B[bc]C[Jimmy3d [-\]: it's like
TitanPupil [1k\]: d15 made b lose a lib
]
;W[aa]C[Jimmy3d [-\]: tripple ko
]
;B[ad]C[prime [-\]: boom! ko!
DrwsyClown [-\]: b alive, but this is still big for w
TitanPupil [1k\]: which led to no not ko
cranium [2d\]: oh god
BOThater36 [4d\]: if B crawl back via E19, white is going to win
Jermelle [-\]: ignore any threats xD
cranium [2d\]: how can it be triple ko lol
Jimmy3d [-\]: Idk I'm high :p
shinkertif [1k\]: its too risky it was a close game
FirePrince [3d\]: not many threats for w
T4L0N [1d\]: W can easily get some nice compensation for letting b live
]
;W[pb]C[Norwazy [2d?\]: and now top right potential back
TitanPupil [1k\]: hehe
DrwsyClown [-\]: d19 and b lives, b is fine, but can he really let w get those points though
Rottamies [6k\]: why b not simply c14?
Rottamies [6k\]: then c13
USSRMan [3d\]: this area has a million threats
]
;B[qd]
;W[bd]C[prime [-\]: whites got this
Rottamies [6k\]: then either e14 or c12
cyberimage [7d?\]: nah this is just w's attempt to find a spot to resign
hobajons [-\]: w didnt play a ko threat
Jimmy3d [-\]: I don't think b can D19 :/
croc [4d\]: b shouldn't have given w this chance
lapindix [6k\]: F16?
seckinoldo [5k\]: c14
Jimmy3d [-\]: can't b just B19 though?
Falablah [1k\]: f16 destroys b's escape
hobajons [-\]: yea
hobajons [-\]: he can
]
;B[cf]C[Norwazy [2d?\]: has to c14 now
Rottamies [6k\]: told ya c14 before anyone else
FirePrince [3d\]: b13
ricedragon [1d\]: gj rottamies you are too good
FirePrince [3d\]: ^
Jimmy3d [-\]: lol I said c14 long before ya :p
nkb [8k\]: you should be playing for b
roln1111 [-\]: lol
DrwsyClown [-\]: b13 fairly simple
MrEmDash [1d\]: rottamies > calvin
prime [-\]: white wins this
hobajons [-\]: rottamies for president
TitanPupil [1k\]: the game's not over
USSRMan [3d\]: not hard for black to live 
DrwsyClown [-\]: but b needs to win not just live
cranium [2d\]: w wins without ko
applesauce [-\]: no
gureborn1 [1k\]: ^
hobajons [-\]: omg
applesauce [-\]: no way
gureborn1 [1k\]: white wins
precal [2k\]: very interesting if triple ko 
Jimmy3d [-\]: so B19 wouldn't be enough?
Jermelle [-\]: yipe
hobajons [-\]: r18 wasnt ko threat
USSRMan [3d\]: 9p said black should win but maybe he'll make a mistake
]
;W[cg]C[hobajons [-\]: OMG
FirePrince [3d\]: O.O
nkb [8k\]: is there any commentary/sound for this game?
hobajons [-\]: r18 wasnt threat
Jimmy3d [-\]: o damn
TitanPupil [1k\]: !!!!
Norwazy [2d?\]: wat
Jimmy3d [-\]: what is
prime [-\]: WTF
isbhal [3d\]: what
Rottamies [6k\]: b13
isbhal [3d\]: WHAT
applesauce [-\]: double ko
SuiKage [2d\]: mistake
Jermelle [-\]: take
Hotascurry [5k\]: goodness
isbhal [3d\]: WHAT
hobajons [-\]: what
Jermelle [-\]: take
Rottamies [6k\]: c13???
Jermelle [-\]: now
hobajons [-\]: WHAT
FirePrince [3d\]: wait why'd he go here
hobajons [-\]: JUST 
DrwsyClown [-\]: wow
Jimmy3d [-\]: definitely not mistake
hobajons [-\]: HAPPENEd
roln1111 [-\]: lol
Greenfuse [2k\]: lol
Rottamies [6k\]: typo
isbhal [3d\]: UNDO PLEASE
Rottamies [6k\]: TYPO
isbhal [3d\]: LET ME UNDO
Jermelle [-\]: lol
USSRMan [3d\]: nisclick by usgo
SuiKage [2d\]: b wins
hobajons [-\]: WHAT
FirePrince [3d\]: was it a misclick lol
liptos [4k\]: say wattttttt
Jermelle [-\]: gg
precal [2k\]: lol kist one more ko 
hobajons [-\]: NO
isbhal [3d\]: I WILL BE 1P
Jimmy3d [-\]: no
hobajons [-\]: WHAT
iwin [2k\]: lmao
isbhal [3d\]: LET ME UNDOOO
hobajons [-\]: IS THIS
woodrose [1d\]: please respond
applesauce [-\]: this is the real game
isbhal [3d\]: GO ESCAPE
MrEmDash [1d\]: pls calm
TitanPupil [1k\]: it would be funny if usgo1 misclicked
Jermelle [-\]: wow
isbhal [3d\]: GO ESCAPE
Jermelle [-\]: xD
nkb [8k\]: and the room erupted in chaos
Rottamies [6k\]: no way this is the real game
nd67 [6d\]: koko
]
;B[ad]C[roln1111 [-\]: or maybe he just made a mistake
hobajons [-\]: wai
nd67 [6d\]: no
hobajons [-\]: its over
Jimmy3d [-\]: guys
Jimmy3d [-\]: chill
Rottamies [6k\]: WHAT IS B DOING ? XD
DrwsyClown [-\]: well this allows w to connect about
prime [-\]: worst kibitz ever
prime [-\]: lol
Jermelle [-\]: xD
DrwsyClown [-\]: at top
]
;W[od]C[nd67 [6d\]: ko
T4L0N [1d\]: Stop flooding, please. 
nd67 [6d\]: connect at the top
SuiKage [2d\]: stop spamming 
Jimmy3d [-\]: It is still ko on the top
FirePrince [3d\]: good threat
cyberimage [7d?\]: guys its still ko
Quaxi [5k\]: indeed
Jimmy3d [-\]: b can c19 for the ko
cyberimage [7d?\]: still ko
SuiKage [2d\]: b13 makes a double ko?
Jimmy3d [-\]: white*
T4L0N [1d\]: Thank you Herod. :)
FirePrince [3d\]: :)
cyberimage [7d?\]: no double ko cuz w can atrie at d19
DrwsyClown [-\]: w can't lose the ko
]
;B[rb]C[cranium [2d\]: black can go sees his mother
]
;W[bd]C[SuiKage [2d\]: b  has double ko
DrwsyClown [-\]: lol
roln1111 [-\]: cranium why do you hate b?
fssong [4d?\]: calvin just wants the game to be more exciting
manofearth [?\]: is someq1 on my censored list flooding?
nd67 [6d\]: b dead
cranium [2d\]: i dont hate :P
DrwsyClown [-\]: he's probably canadian like me
nd67 [6d\]: w dead
]
;B[bg]C[Rottamies [6k\]: c13 only move
]
;W[ag]C[Gabesoda [4k\]: b13 lives right?
nd67 [6d\]: sorry
cranium [2d\]: im a troll man
SuiKage [2d\]: b very much alive
prime [-\]: son of a......
]
;B[af]C[FirePrince [3d\]: lol what is going on T_T
nd67 [6d\]: b alive
regigigas [5d\]: lol?
MrEmDash [1d\]: i dont understand
Jimmy3d [-\]: wait
cranium [2d\]: joke :P
Jimmy3d [-\]: I'm confused now
FirePrince [3d\]: b should be alive
cranium [2d\]: i just prefer bill
isbhal [3d\]: 1p aga = CHINESE 9P
croc [4d\]: a draw? haha
hobajons [-\]: b is alive
yunoo: chill guys
Rottamies [6k\]: now double ko
hobajons [-\]: gg
Betwixt [5d\]: haha
cranium [2d\]: im candian so
hobajons [-\]: ITS OVER
DrwsyClown [-\]: huh I'm confused now
Jimmy3d [-\]: I'm lost...what just happened
FirePrince [3d\]: B+Res now
ashkatriz [-\]: im cryin
USSRMan [3d\]: white playing like a 10k
germgo [-\]: wow
USGO1 [-\]: calvin sits back with a perplexed look
nkb [8k\]: everyone, take a deep breath, the game continues
BobaTea [?\]: its not double ko
ashkatriz [-\]: IM CRYIN
ashkatriz [-\]: BILL
MrEmDash [1d\]: lol
ashkatriz [-\]: </3
hobajons [-\]: yes
FirePrince [3d\]: perplexed o.o
BobaTea [?\]: white captures b13
germgo [-\]: YES
BobaTea [?\]: and black cant connect t b16
DrwsyClown [-\]: way to lose in the most terrible way
xDragon [?\]: just do you know, herod is going to kick people who are spamming
nkb [8k\]: its almost as if you guys haven't seen a ko before
xDragon [?\]: so stop
BobaTea [?\]: however, black can live unconditionally with a third ko after b19 throwin
FirePrince [3d\]: yeah
hobajons [-\]: wow
hobajons [-\]: this is amazing
FirePrince [3d\]: c13 was too much
]
;W[nc]C[ashkatriz [-\]: so done
FirePrince [3d\]: w still thinks he has a shot apparently lol
MrEmDash [1d\]: w will res after he dies up top
ashkatriz [-\]: s
Jermelle [-\]: yipes
ashkatriz [-\]: o
SuiKage [2d\]: yeah
USSRMan [3d\]: c13 was a misclick
ashkatriz [-\]: done
Rottamies [6k\]: o17
Rottamies [6k\]: o18
USSRMan [3d\]: it makes no sense
MrEmDash [1d\]: obviously wasn't if USGO is playing this far in
applesauce [-\]: c13 was not a misclick
]
;B[oe]C[FirePrince [3d\]: yeah lol...
precal [2k\]: if its a draw intersting what might happen tomorrow 
FirePrince [3d\]: a draw? O.o
]
;W[bf]C[FirePrince [3d\]: can't be a draw theres komi
ashkatriz [-\]: ..
]
;B[ad]
;W[bh]C[applesauce [-\]: right
xDragon [?\]: triple ko tho
FirePrince [3d\]: oh
TitanPupil [1k\]: w0w
]
;B[af]C[USSRMan [3d\]: now easy life
hobajons [-\]: yes
precal [2k\]: hmm
hobajons [-\]: over
hobajons [-\]: resign
FirePrince [3d\]: well b alive now
germgo [-\]: gg
iwin [2k\]: gg
hobajons [-\]: gg
Jimmy3d [-\]: gg
MrEmDash [1d\]: gg
FirePrince [3d\]: stop flodding "gg"
cranium [2d\]: w still wins
gureborn1 [1k\]: yea
hobajons [-\]: lol
gureborn1 [1k\]: white wins.
applesauce [-\]: HOW?
MoonCrest [-\]: lol
ricedragon [1d\]: gg
]
;W[fs]C[nd67 [6d\]: close
]
;B[fr]C[ashkatriz [-\]: w wins in our hearts
ashkatriz [-\]: LOL
]
;W[ae]C[Rottamies [6k\]: W WINS
]
;B[ab]C[FirePrince [3d\]: its still a locse game guys
prime [-\]: i am facepalming so hard right now.
]
;W[br]C[MrEmDash [1d\]: what is bill doing
seckinoldo [5k\]: honestly, i dont think its over yet
MoonCrest [-\]: not according to myungwan
MoonCrest [-\]: :p
hobajons [-\]: c9
FirePrince [3d\]: lol
USSRMan [3d\]: black to normal endgame
ashkatriz [-\]: guys i think bill got hacked by a monkey 
]
;B[ck]
;W[ak]C[Rottamies [6k\]: is top right w alive 
MoonCrest [-\]: no
Norwazy [2d?\]: no
SuiKage [2d\]: well to be fair, b was alive unconditionally but then he played d15
MrEmDash [1d\]: no
]
;B[dl]
;W[cj]C[Rottamies [6k\]: p15 was just so weird
shinkertif [1k\]: pro says b win
]
;B[dk]C[hobajons [-\]: yep
prime [-\]: pro is wrong
prime [-\]: lol
hobajons [-\]: lol
MoonCrest [-\]: lol...
TitanPupil [1k\]: w0w how about you read hikaru no go
hobajons [-\]: u are strong pro
croc [4d\]: w did it
precal [2k\]: too bad w got nothing on the top right corner 
]
;W[eg]
;B[cm]
;W[bm]C[odnihs [5d\]: gg
nkb [8k\]: you guys talk a lot
]
;B[ni]
;W[mi]C[prime [-\]: lmao
Hotascurry [5k\]: gg b
Jimmy3d [-\]: this is chat room, you are suppose to talk o.0
iwin [2k\]: gggg
]
;B[qm]
;W[rm]C[thesirjay [8k\]: w preserved his left so that isn't nothing...
FirePrince [3d\]: b got sente now
precal [2k\]: not talk type 
Rottamies [6k\]: r10
manofearth [?\]: myunwan is not only a pro; he's an accountant
DrwsyClown [-\]: I think w can n15
hobajons [-\]: if black plays r5 in the endgame
USSRMan [3d\]: so he is good at counting
hobajons [-\]: i will soduku
]
;B[af]C[roln1111 [-\]: c11 sente
hobajons [-\]: a14 super big
nd67 [6d\]: w should hurry and play a14
ThiGar [4k\]: r5 threat
yunoo: hehe, now b can even win pts from this
]
;W[ob]C[hobajons [-\]: this is so big for b
iwin [2k\]: wat
USSRMan [3d\]: maybe black will messup here
hobajons [-\]: n18
SuiKage [2d\]: ko threat
MrEmDash [1d\]: just threat
]
;B[mb]
;W[ae]C[iwin [2k\]: o right
]
;B[ci]
;W[bi]C[nd67 [6d\]: i think w wins like 1.t
]
;B[af]C[SuiKage [2d\]: w loses fo sho
nd67 [6d\]: 1.5
]
;W[rc]
;B[rd]C[gureborn1 [1k\]: white wins .5
BOThater36 [4d\]: if B lead, very marginal, under time pressure, god bless
cranium [2d\]: b wins unfortunately
]
;W[ae]C[hobajons [-\]: bless calvin
nd67 [6d\]: no
DrwsyClown [-\]: w n15
MrEmDash [1d\]: bless clavin <3
thesirjay [8k\]: o15 is nice
hobajons [-\]: yes ty craniium
nd67 [6d\]: w wins
TitanPupil [1k\]: game is not over
FirePrince [3d\]: whoever loses this will be terribly disappointed thats for sure
FirePrince [3d\]: they both played excellent
nd67 [6d\]: 7.5 right?
FirePrince [3d\]: yes
TitanPupil [1k\]: yes
MrEmDash [1d\]: yea
nd67 [6d\]: kkomi
Rottamies [6k\]: r10 or gg
xDragon [?\]: if w loses c13 will be in his nightmares
]
;B[qj]
;W[rj]C[nd67 [6d\]: 7.5 is big
]
;B[af]C[TitanPupil [1k\]: but w may have to pass two stones
hobajons [-\]: rottamies u  are good
FirePrince [3d\]: yeah
roln1111 [-\]: we all kibitzed excellent too
hobajons [-\]: yea
hobajons [-\]: go team
]
;W[sb]C[iwin [2k\]: w+1.5
]
;B[sc]C[SuiKage [2d\]: by far the worst kibitiz ever
]
;W[ae]C[prime [-\]: lol
hobajons [-\]: lol
iwin [2k\]: i meant b
nkb [8k\]: lol
]
;B[ke]
;W[kf]
;B[af]C[Rottamies [6k\]: n15..
]
;W[ra]C[FirePrince [3d\]: b's threats are also reducing w's territory
DrwsyClown [-\]: nvm n15 doesnt work
SuiKage [2d\]: essentially every 5 moves someone was like game over,
FirePrince [3d\]: so b's gaining slightly from this ko
]
;B[rc]
;W[ae]C[AldousDert [13k?\]: I shall call this the game of 40.000 kos....
RobertT [-\]: Crushed dreams and broken hearts
]
;B[gk]C[nkb [8k\]: the day kgs learned of ko....
applesauce [-\]: b+3.5
hobajons [-\]: ty
DrwsyClown [-\]: a14 stop losing points on this
hobajons [-\]: apple
dread [4d\]: i remember when Calvin was just 15 years old
hobajons [-\]: lol 
dread [4d\]: times are a changing.
hobajons [-\]: i remeber congress
SuiKage [2d\]: if w fills b can't even tenuki right?
AldousDert [13k?\]: so, last week?
roln1111 [-\]: how old is he now?
hobajons [-\]: 17?
hobajons [-\]: or 16
applesauce [-\]: 16
TitanPupil [1k\]: 16
Rottamies [6k\]: why w not a14?
odnihs [5d\]: 17 next month
hobajons [-\]: ah
roln1111 [-\]: hes younger than me lol
hobajons [-\]: 16 year old pro
prime [-\]: corner has more value
]
;W[gm]C[roln1111 [-\]: plays ten times better
prime [-\]: awe
hobajons [-\]: nah u are good
T4L0N [1d\]: B is up by 5.5 I believe.
RobertT [-\]: don't  worry roln, there is always the european professional system
hobajons [-\]: b+4.5 end score
MrEmDash [1d\]: not the real roln
MrEmDash [1d\]: he is fake
hobajons [-\]: gg
TitanPupil [1k\]: he is fan of roln
hobajons [-\]: sitll good
]
;B[hk]C[Rottamies [6k\]: b no ko threat
]
;W[hj]C[Rottamies [6k\]: gg
RobertT [-\]: emdash, don't make fun of roln just because he has his rank disabled
USGO1 [-\]: w 5:00 remain
]
;B[gj]
;W[gh]
;B[gi]
;W[ei]
;B[ej]C[FirePrince [3d\]: w a14 now is sente
applesauce [-\]: doesn't matter
ashkatriz [-\]: does it matter who gets sente or not at this point
ashkatriz [-\]: w loses anyways
applesauce [-\]: b wins anyways
dread [4d\]: @roln1111, age doesn't matter. it's more like how long you've played vs him
]
;W[kj]C[FirePrince [3d\]: now w can l10
FirePrince [3d\]: lol called it
nd67 [6d\]: w should just  connect
FirePrince [3d\]: a14 first might've been beter
Rottamies [6k\]: fireprince genius
FirePrince [3d\]: yup
]
;B[ep]
;W[dq]C[roln1111 [-\]: ironically i finally found a close game fun to watcy
Rottamies [6k\]: can i have ur autograph
]
;B[kk]C[hobajons [-\]: b 85 w 78
roln1111 [-\]: usually its the curbstomps that rock
]
;W[ll]C[AldousDert [13k?\]: Rottamies calls it like he sees it
croc [4d\]: w wins
hobajons [-\]: no
Rottamies [6k\]: m9
hobajons [-\]: b does
gureborn1 [1k\]: w wins
prime [-\]: w wins by 0.5
applesauce [-\]: COUNT
]
;B[kl]C[hobajons [-\]: i did
hobajons [-\]: b up
]
;W[qk]
;B[pj]C[applesauce [-\]: yes
MrEmDash [1d\]: jeez no one ever agree in calvin's games
]
;W[nk]C[MoonCrest [-\]: lol prime
MrEmDash [1d\]: lol
]
;B[ok]C[hobajons [-\]: around 4
FirePrince [3d\]: m15
applesauce [-\]: yes
dread [4d\]: he may be younger than you but it doesn't mean much if you've played 5 years less tahn him
]
;W[le]C[Greenfuse [2k\]: n15?
]
;B[me]C[DrwsyClown [-\]: n15 didnt work
prime [-\]: W wins by 0.5 
hobajons [-\]: b+4.5
prime [-\]: i called it
FirePrince [3d\]: a14 now
]
;W[af]C[hobajons [-\]: lol watch prime 4.5
FirePrince [3d\]: yup
Rottamies [6k\]: i want to see ur crying faces when u realize w ahead
iwin [2k\]: b+1.5 calling it
roln1111 [-\]: h8?
FirePrince [3d\]: b must b19 now
prime [-\]: w+0.5
roln1111 [-\]: seems sente to me
shinkertif [1k\]: b+3
]
;B[ba]C[DrwsyClown [-\]: tenuki
FirePrince [3d\]: unless he wants another ko again
FirePrince [3d\]: lol
MrEmDash [1d\]: h8 is waste
gureborn1 [1k\]: w+.25
Rottamies [6k\]: k1
MrEmDash [1d\]: w doesn't have points anyways
]
;W[js]C[altoids [7d?\]: w wins
roln1111 [-\]: ok h8 now
FirePrince [3d\]: as i thought lol
TitanPupil [1k\]: go bill
MrEmDash [1d\]: h8 bad
nd67 [6d\]: as i thought
FirePrince [3d\]: no point in h8 atm
MrEmDash [1d\]: just wastes a ko threat
FirePrince [3d\]: yeah
roln1111 [-\]: i dont read more kos
prime [-\]: white wins
MrEmDash [1d\]: doesn't matter
]
;B[lk]
;W[is]C[MrEmDash [1d\]: what if there is a ko later on
johnny [6k\]: SE gives it to W
Jermelle [-\]: close
roln1111 [-\]: i read fill in territory
]
;B[lj]C[Slayne [8k?\]: g4?
]
;W[li]C[hobajons [-\]: wow
]
;B[hr]C[hobajons [-\]: b just gained a pt
]
;W[sh]C[svartrev [4k\]: b+3.5 ?
]
;B[sg]C[johnny [6k\]: SE never wrong
]
;W[si]C[prime [-\]: wtf
FirePrince [3d\]: g19
shinkertif [1k\]: how should i count according to aga system
hobajons [-\]: g19
]
;B[ga]C[dread [4d\]: wow kbag won
roln1111 [-\]: se always wrong lol
hobajons [-\]: .5
]
;W[da]C[BOThater36 [4d\]: white wins, my count
Jimmy3d [-\]: is calvin trying to create another .5 game -.-
croc [4d\]: ko?
Rottamies [6k\]: ???????
BOThater36 [4d\]: W + 1.5
FirePrince [3d\]: they have to fill in all the dame right
iwin [2k\]: the ayabot strategy
]
;B[ca]
;W[ea]C[hobajons [-\]: god
MrEmDash [1d\]: classic ayabot strat
Rottamies [6k\]: why w not g16
hobajons [-\]: if he lose by .5....
hobajons [-\]: i will
]
;B[ln]C[TitanPupil [1k\]: w has to pass a stone when he passes
Jermelle [-\]: yipes
hobajons [-\]: be so sad
Jermelle [-\]: close
Rottamies [6k\]: oh no need
]
;W[gd]C[hikarupro [9k\]: black won unfortunatly. i was rooting for white
]
;B[fa]C[prime [-\]: myungwan just said W+0.5
]
;W[ed]C[TitanPupil [1k\]: they both need to pass a stone when they pass*
TitanPupil [1k\]: but w must pass last
gureborn1 [1k\]: he liesss
hobajons [-\]: b fills last
]
;B[oo]C[MoonCrest [-\]: myungwan said b made a mistake i think
]
;W[hm]C[MoonCrest [-\]: in yose
]
;B[gp]
;W[jq]C[Jimmy3d [-\]: D:
]
;B[on]C[applesauce [-\]: w gives 1 more stone
Xinhui [3k\]: chinese rules?
]
;W[fd]C[Rottamies [6k\]: lol i told ya w wins
MoonCrest [-\]: not sure though
]
;B[gn]
;W[qo]
;B[hl]C[BOThater36 [4d\]: calwin always come back from yose, the evil kid
FirePrince [3d\]:  we don't know for sure yet lol
prime [-\]: white wins by 0.5
]
;W[]C[MoonCrest [-\]: plus its aga rating
]
;B[]C[iwin [2k\]: the
MrEmDash [1d\]: oh my gat...
svartrev [4k\]: b+.5 ?
hikarupro [9k\]: black gets last move
]
;W[]TW[he][ef][gf][hf][if][jf][bg][jg][kg][ah][jh][kh][lh][mh][ai][aj][sj][sk][al][rl][sl][am][sm][an][bn][sn][ao][bo][co][so][ap][bp][cp][sp][aq][bq][cq][rq][sq][ar][kr][lr][mr][nr][or][rr][sr][as][ks][ls][ms][ns][os][ps][qs][rs][ss]TB[aa][ha][ia][ja][ka][la][ma][na][oa][pa][qa][ra][sa][bb][ib][kb][lb][nb][ob][pb][qb][sb][ac][jc][lc][mc][nc][oc][pc][bd][md][nd][od][sd][ne][pe][qe][se][of][pf][qf][sf][qg][rg][fj][oj][ek][km][jn][mn][lo][fs][gs]C[FirePrince [3d\]: well thats all the dame
TitanPupil [1k\]: w0w w has to pass 2 stones
iwin [2k\]: omg
iwin [2k\]: omg
hobajons [-\]: white has to pass
hobajons [-\]: its over
MoonCrest [-\]: aga rating so...
FirePrince [3d\]: oh shit
USGO1 [-\]: scoring!
altoids [7d?\]: gg
FirePrince [3d\]: counting time!
hobajons [-\]: OMg
TitanPupil [1k\]: w+2.5
Jimmy3d [-\]: l0l
hobajons [-\]: omg
MaLa [3d\]: omg...
DrwsyClown [-\]: b+0.5
hobajons [-\]: this
roln1111 [-\]: GG
hobajons [-\]: omg
FirePrince [3d\]: *drumroll!!*
hobajons [-\]: omg
TitanPupil [1k\]: w+0.5
hobajons [-\]: pls
TitanPupil [1k\]: w+1.5
hobajons [-\]: b
RobertT [-\]: w + .5
yunoo: gg
MaLa [3d\]: this is so painful
hobajons [-\]: +.5
mongol [13k?\]: w...
prime [-\]: w+0.5
MrEmDash [1d\]: pls
xDragon [?\]: stop spamming
MaLa [3d\]: :(
cranium [2d\]: lol
nachodude [-\]: !Shhh
woodrose [1d\]: The horror
Hotascurry [5k\]: come on white
roln1111 [-\]: the score is coming in 5 mins lol
Xinhui [3k\]: how to count?
nc88 [1d\]: QQ
FirePrince [3d\]: lol
Argus [4k?\]: applause
roln1111 [-\]: no need to argue
hobajons [-\]: geez
hobajons [-\]: im so scared
iwin [2k\]: the suspense
hobajons [-\]: omg
croc [4d\]: dead silence
hobajons [-\]: pls
DrwsyClown [-\]: damn
prime [-\]: white wins by 0.5
Jermelle [-\]: dun dun
hobajons [-\]: no
Jermelle [-\]: dun
ThiGar [4k\]: score will be recounted twice
Rottamies [6k\]: the score is obvious
Rottamies [6k\]: look at se
DrwsyClown [-\]: :(
Jimmy3d [-\]: ^ HAHAHA
prime [-\]: lolz
Jermelle [-\]: yow
regigigas [5d\]: LOL
altoids [7d?\]: haha
MrEmDash [1d\]: :O
odnihs [5d\]: b+1.5
TitanPupil [1k\]: w0w
applesauce [-\]: Congragulations Calvin!
Jimmy3d [-\]: 1.5
Jermelle [-\]: YES
Jermelle [-\]: YES
Hotascurry [5k\]: oh my god
gunmanjoe [5d\]: W00T
iwin [2k\]: I CALLED IT
roln1111 [-\]: congrats
hobajons [-\]: wait
Jimmy3d [-\]: BAGGIE THE NEW PRO
MrEmDash [1d\]: WOOT!
BOThater36 [4d\]: W + 1.5
nkb [8k\]: way to go!
hobajons [-\]: its not done yet
Rottamies [6k\]: WHY SCORE DIFFERENT FROM SE
xDragon [?\]: its not official yet
Jermelle [-\]: WOOOOOOO
prime [-\]: its not official!
Rottamies [6k\]: CHEATING
hobajons [-\]: no wait
FirePrince [3d\]: its not official
MoonCrest [-\]: not official yet
TitanPupil [1k\]: not official
tonyp [1d\]: there was silence supreme - not a shriek nor a scream and scarcely a cry or a moan
precal [2k\]: congratulation calvin sun 1P
woodrose [1d\]: this is not the score guys
roln1111 [-\]: se japanese rule i guess aga rule here
hobajons [-\]: not offcial
TitanPupil [1k\]: usgo1 has to say the score
USGO1 [-\]: black wins by 1.5
FirePrince [3d\]: USGO1 hasn't said anything yet
nachodude [-\]: oh, if you haven't heard, it isn't official
MrEmDash [1d\]: YES
FirePrince [3d\]: ah there
hobajons [-\]: YEs
Jermelle [-\]: YES
hobajons [-\]: ewi
hobajons [-\]: jfrjuopi fj r
hobajons [-\]: rjf 
MrEmDash [1d\]: YES
prime [-\]: no!!!!!!!!
xDragon [?\]: calvin
iwin [2k\]: YES
germgo [-\]: YES
iwin [2k\]: YESe
woodrose [1d\]: o no
iwin [2k\]: gs
iwin [2k\]: e
iwin [2k\]: s
iwin [2k\]: G
FirePrince [3d\]: WELL PLAYED
iwin [2k\]: weageajha\]
USGO1 [-\]: b+1.5
TitanPupil [1k\]: WOWOWOWO
nc88 [1d\]: Congrats
germgo [-\]: CALVIN
Rottamies [6k\]: lol what is aga rule?
Hotascurry [5k\]: there it is
Argus [4k?\]: wow
TitanPupil [1k\]: W0w0W
Jermelle [-\]: HA HA
odnihs [5d\]: HOLLA
Naphthalin [2d?\]: wtf is going on here xD
Rottamies [6k\]: why dont they use japanese counting
Jermelle [-\]: FOR A DOLLA
FirePrince [3d\]: feel bad for bill tho
MrEmDash [1d\]: YES CALVIN!
Vex [3d\]: wah
TitanPupil [1k\]: W0W PRO CALVIN
Vex [3d\]: congrats calvin
gureborn1 [1k\]: white wins.
Falablah [1k\]: gg both though
croc [4d\]: congrats both
applesauce [-\]: japanese rule and aga rule is similar
roln1111 [-\]: rot cuz aga tourney
DrwsyClown [-\]: bill so shouldn't have played that lame c13
Vex [3d\]: next year for bill :)
Rottamies [6k\]: HOW DOES AGA RULES MAKE COUNTING DIFFERENT
TitanPupil [1k\]: GG!
Xinhui [3k\]: calvin 1p
Jermelle [-\]: bill tried 
Rottamies [6k\]: japanese rules is real go
germgo [-\]: CALVIN SENSEI
liptos [4k\]: bravo bravo
Rottamies [6k\]: so w wins, as i stated
Vex [3d\]: next year bill can give all others no komi handi and still win :)
Xinhui [3k\]: chiinese rule is real go
johnny [6k\]: c13 ???
roln1111 [-\]: all the rules are real g
MaLa [3d\]: he would have lost under jp rules as well
roln1111 [-\]: go
MoonCrest [-\]: lol if we're going by where it originated
MoonCrest [-\]: china
odnihs [5d\]: CALVIN SENPAI
McMaster [-\]: Both players  are so good
yunoo: u can count aga either way, thats the point of it
USGO1 [-\]: their japanese count also showed b+1.5
tonyp [1d\]: B won?
BOThater36 [4d\]: Calvin, Calvin!!
McMaster [-\]:  thanks USGO1
iwin [2k\]: HE DID IT
MrEmDash [1d\]: thanks USGO1
prime [-\]: LOL kibitz was extremely bad in this game
iwin [2k\]: HAHAHA ROTTAMIES
Pseudo [3k\]: congrats
applesauce [-\]: Good Job Clavin
applesauce [-\]: Calvin
roln1111 [-\]: congrats
MoonCrest [-\]: good game both
nachodude [-\]: clavin
prime [-\]: ive never seen so much kibitz in my life
prime [-\]: GG
roln1111 [-\]: GG
MrEmDash [1d\]: gg
iwin [2k\]: gg
MoonCrest [-\]: also prime
jodageezer [7k?\]: Congrats Calvin
DrwsyClown [-\]: isn't c13 losing move here? w definitly lost points there
MoonCrest [-\]: lol@u
Rottamies [6k\]: areu  proud?
MoonCrest [-\]: claiming w wins
prime [-\]: XDXD
prime [-\]: i was close
nkb [8k\]: so is that it, calvin is the 3rd american pro?
Rottamies [6k\]: U ONLY THOUGHT B WOULD WIN CUZ THE PRO SAID SO
prime [-\]: 2 points off
MoonCrest [-\]: you were dead wrong!
MoonCrest [-\]: 2 points huge
roln1111 [-\]: nobody cares if your right or wrong
Rottamies [6k\]: plus w was ahead earlier on
roln1111 [-\]: its your ego issue
Rottamies [6k\]: as i said
prime [-\]: *sticks tongue out at mooncrest* XD
ricedragon [1d\]: rottamies ur bad
Rottamies [6k\]: im genius
prime [-\]: Calvin Sun [1p
precal [2k\]: it was a good game between the 2 
yunoo: ur like the next hikaru or something rott
hikarupro [9k\]: cray game
Rottamies [6k\]: contradiction: nobodoy cares, except for ur ego => i care => somebody cares
Rottamies [6k\]: ahh feels good to own at logic
tymak [1k\]: so when they start fight for higher rank then 1p?
johnny [6k\]: if nobody care = you are nobody
Rottamies [6k\]: haha: D
Rottamies [6k\]: funny =P
Rottamies [6k\]: and ur right ;P
johnny [6k\]: neither of us 1P
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