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GN[2nd AGA Pro Qualifier FINALS - Calvin Sun (w) vs Bill Lin (b)]PW[Calvin Sun]PB[Bill Lin]WR[7d]BR[7d]DT[2014-01-06]EV[2nd AGA Professional Qualification Tournament]RO[6A1]PC[The Hotel Normandie, Los Angeles CA]US[Andrew Jackson]C[USGO1 [-\]: Good morning and welcome to the AGA E-Journal's continuing coverage of the 2nd Pro Qualification Tournament!
USGO1 [-\]: I'm Andrew Jackson and i'll be your recorder this morning
TitanPupil [1k\]: thank you^^
USGO1 [-\]: In fifteen minutes, we'll have the first match of the FINALS between Calvin Sun & Bill Lin
Jermelle [-\]: YAY
TitanPupil [1k\]: i like how billlin is online
Jermelle [-\]: who do you think is going to win USGO?
USGO1 [-\]: While this is the first match of the Finals, since Calvin & Bill faced each other earlier in the tournament, they begin with the score 1-0 in a set to 2 wins
USGO1 [-\]: Both Calvin & Bill's cumulative record so far is 4-1
USGO1 [-\]: Bill's loss going to Calvin in round 2 and Calvin's dropped game being one against Jianing Gan in their best 2 of 3 set yesterday
USGO1 [-\]: With the score 1-0 in a set to 2, that means we'll have a winner by the end of the day!
TitanPupil [1k\]: thank you andrew^^
USGO1 [-\]: Again, i won't be able to read the chat until the end of the game, so please refer any folks to these messages or to the tournament website at http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-results-2013
Sakka [4k\]: hi Andrew, I'm Sid, thanks for the coverage!
USGO1 [-\]: folks have filtered in here with 8 minutes to go until the start
USGO1 [-\]: Bill is here looking relaxed, haven't seen Calvin yet this morning.
TitanPupil [1k\]: i wanna know why billlin is loggedinto kgs lol
USGO1 [-\]: Alright!  And now that it's a Monday, we have jackhammers again!
USGO1 [-\]: (our first round, friday morning, was also blessed with the sounds of jackhammers just outside the window)
Jermelle [-\]: lol
USGO1 [-\]: Oh!  Also, Myungwan Kim 9p will be providing commentary on the game!
TitanPupil [1k\]: yay
USGO1 [-\]: look for announcements from KGS on the location of the commented games
JeansebL [6d?\]: should change room....
JeansebL [6d?\]: not serious to play such an important game in that atmosphere...
woodrose [1d\]: what atmosphere?
JeansebL [6d?\]: jackhammers ....
woodrose [1d\]: oh yes
JeansebL [6d?\]: We change room when this happens during exams at school
JeansebL [6d?\]: This game might change their whole life...
Jermelle [-\]: lol my school just says ignore it
alrobin [8k?\]: maybe hand out earplugs
USGO1 [-\]: We've got the room we've got -- the jackhammers will be done close enough
JeansebL [6d?\]: Both players should be laughing and exit the room together :p
USGO1 [-\]: on Friday we went out and negotiated with the work crew to put off their work until the lunch break
weiqidevil [-\]: so will there be only one new pro this year?
JeansebL [6d?\]: cool
USGO1 [-\]: The venue this year -- the Hotel Normandie -- has been wonderful hosts.  Immaculate, responsive, helpful, everything we could ask for.
USGO1 [-\]: Ok!  It's 9:30 and everyone's here.
USGO1 [-\]: we're gonna get started!  See you all on the other side
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[qd]
;W[dc]C[iwin [2k\]: GO BAGS
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;B[pq]
;W[dp]C[CakeEater [1d\]: no stream for the final ?
JesusTeAma [3k\]: this game would be commented ?
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;B[de]C[JeansebL [6d?\]: the connection they have is unfortunately not fast enough
xedover [?\]: this game will have live commentary in about 30 min from now by MyungWan Kim 9p
]
;W[cg]
;B[cc]
;W[gc]C[JesusTeAma [3k\]: JeansebL you was talking about  MyungWanthat ?
JesusTeAma [3k\]: *MyungWan
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;B[cn]C[JeansebL [6d?\]: no about a live video stream
Konservas [1d\]: i have never seen c6
JeansebL [6d?\]: sound is easy to stream, even with a slow connection, good video quality is not....
JeansebL [6d?\]: c6 is becoming popular
Konservas [1d\]: ;)
Konservas [1d\]: cool
Konservas [1d\]: seems really cool move
JeansebL [6d?\]: tenuki after g16 is the new trend :)
JesusTeAma [3k\]: is china, korea or both ?
JesusTeAma [3k\]: *in
Jermelle [-\]: go calvin
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;W[dk]C[JeansebL [6d?\]: go bill
yorugua [6k\]: good, I thought I was the only one that wanted Bill to win :)
TitanPupil [1k\]: go bill
JeansebL [6d?\]: :D
alrobin [8k?\]: go bill
Schnapps [2k\]: Bill will win this!
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;B[gp]C[Schnapps [2k\]: Go Bill!
Konservas [1d\]: will black change dirrection/
Konservas [1d\]: yea
Konservas [1d\]: :)
yorugua [6k\]: the rules for pairing are sooooo confusing
Jermelle [-\]: come on calvin!
Schnapps [2k\]: rules of pairing?
yorugua [6k\]: so now Bill needs 2 wins and Calvin 1, right?
Schnapps [2k\]: You're not used to double elimination?
Schnapps [2k\]: I think so
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;W[dn]C[yorugua [6k\]: yes, but not to the whole previous games counting
Schnapps [2k\]: In double elimination, there's always an advantage to the player that comes from the winner's bracket
hobajons [-\]: CALVIN GO PRO
Schnapps [2k\]: BILL GO PRO
hobajons [-\]: no
TitanPupil [1k\]: both go pro... :(
Konservas [1d\]: its either go pro or go home
Jermelle [-\]: calvin will go pro though.
hobajons [-\]: lol
hobajons [-\]: nice rhyme
hobajons [-\]: well tbh both are good
hobajons [-\]: but my bud calvin
hobajons [-\]: will take home victory
Konservas [1d\]: i wish for good game, thats all
hobajons [-\]: xD
Konservas [1d\]: 0.5 pointer
DonValley [5d\]: dont listen to hobajons, he is a freshman
Jermelle [-\]: lol
yorugua [6k\]: but Bill entertains us with blitz! :)
TitanPupil [1k\]: haha 
gunmanjoe [5d\]: tengen
Schnapps [2k\]: Ok, let's agree on this...
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;B[dg]C[Schnapps [2k\]: First game Bill by .5
gunmanjoe [5d\]: case there's a dot on it
apetresc [?\]: What's Bill's KGS account?
Schnapps [2k\]: Then Sun by .5
yorugua [6k\]: billlin
TitanPupil [1k\]: Billlin
TitanPupil [1k\]: and its online for some reason xD
hobajons [-\]: bAggie
yorugua [6k\]: probably forgot to log off :)
TitanPupil [1k\]: i like b's position :O
]
;W[cb]C[woodrose [1d\]: wait until w plays :p
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;B[dd]C[Konservas [1d\]: seems equal
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;W[bc]
;B[cd]
;W[eb]
;B[ch]C[Falcon89 [4k\]: What's Calvin's kgs account?
TitanPupil [1k\]: kbag
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;W[co]
;B[jp]C[Falcon89 [4k\]: thx  TP    I forget
TitanPupil [1k\]: np
TitanPupil [1k\]: i still like b's position
Schnapps [2k\]: Titan, you got for w to play before you say that you like black ^
Schnapps [2k\]: ^^
TitanPupil [1k\]: :)
Jermelle [-\]: I like W
Schnapps [2k\]: I prefer w as well
]
;W[od]C[Konservas [1d\]: i like calvin :.
Konservas [1d\]: so w
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;B[oe]C[Jermelle [-\]: bill making a lot of uncommon moves, or moves I have not seen yet
]
;W[qc]C[HonFu [2d\]: and you have seen everything, Jermelle. ;-)
Falcon89 [4k\]: haha
Konservas [1d\]: he did , Honfu
]
;B[pd]
;W[pc]
;B[ne]C[Pempu [3d\]: the schedule in this page http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-results-2013 seems to be wrong. It says game 1 should start 4pm pacific time
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;W[nc]C[Konservas [1d\]: calvin so solid
sume [-\]: my bets on calvin
Konservas [1d\]: today, hot shape is tiger mouth
]
;B[ld]
;W[qk]C[Jermelle [-\]: same sume
MaLa [3d\]: so will he screw himself again early to then fight back slowly until delivering a massive punch late in the game?
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;B[qm]
;W[qh]C[Nyanjilla [-\]: mind your language, please
sume [-\]: calvin has various ways of winning
sume [-\]: i think his strongest point is his confidence and steadiness
JesusTeAma [3k\]: so if Calvin win this game he'll become the next na pro ?
ricedragon [1d\]: not yet
wurfmaul [1k\]: why not?
iwin [2k\]: yes if he wins
rsun [5d\]: looks like a promising opening for w
JesusTeAma [3k\]: Calvin don't get 2-0 of advantage by the fact the he already faced Bill ?
ricedragon [1d\]: really, o i thought another game never mind
CakeEater [1d\]: he need 2 win
rsun [5d\]: calvin beat bill, so the score is 1-0
Pempu [3d\]: isn't it best of 3 and the current score is 1-0 for Calvin?
gunmanjoe [5d\]: calvin needs 1 win, bill has to win 2
Betwixt [5d\]: weird system..
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;B[pi]C[caglard [11k\]: in what condition this tournament end?
JeansebL [6d?\]: very wrong system yes
Pempu [3d\]: I like it
rsun [5d\]: it's called double elimination
Pempu [3d\]: Every game counts in this system.
Betwixt [5d\]: its not normal double elimination
Konservas [1d\]: its not fair system
JeansebL [6d?\]: double elimination is good when you want a 1st and a 2nd
Pempu [3d\]: Every game counts. It's fair 
Quaxi [6k\]: big b moyo after this sequence...
Pempu [3d\]: Don't get fooled by the series 
JeansebL [6d?\]: to determine only 1 winner, round robin is best
Betwixt [5d\]: its just silly that the final which is why we all gathered here, starts unevenly
MaLa [3d\]: in normal double elim there would be also a winenrsadvantage in grnad final, so actually we found a case in which this system creates the same scenario...
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;W[qi]C[indianayk [4d\]: how old is calbin?
woodrose [1d\]: 8
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;B[pk]C[Konservas [1d\]: calbin 17 :>
]
;W[pe]C[indianayk [4d\]: thx
caglard [11k\]: this guys have admirable patience i think
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;B[nd]
;W[oc]C[Pempu [3d\]: They play quite fast 
rsun [5d\]: what about shusaku and go seigen?
Horibe [2d\]: they play tomorrow
gogonuts [5d\]: they are also admirable
caglard [11k\]: these games takes hours and they maintain concentration
Pempu [3d\]: Betwixt it's only unfair if you look at one series a time. If you look at the whole tournament as one "series" then it's fair
odnihs [5d\]: GO CALVIN!!
goren2 [2k\]: go bill
caglard [11k\]: pierre calvin :D
gogonuts [5d\]: its fair, but useless
rats [2d?\]: go you
frozensoul [-\]: go sai o.o
JeansebL [6d?\]: does it make sense to you that the new pro will only play about half the contenders ?
Quaxi [6k\]: go me
goren2 [2k\]: dolla bills yo
gogonuts [5d\]: the idea must be to favor the stronger player - but it doesnt achieve that
caglard [11k\]: bill lin names seems like Billy Jean !
Pempu [3d\]: Roundrobin can have some nast playoffs
iwin [2k\]: billy lin
sume [-\]: cut very strong
DonValley [5d\]: cut is great
woodrose [1d\]: great cut everyone
sume [-\]: im not sure if great though
sume [-\]: if B atari and go down
HonFu [2d\]: roundrobin just takes forever, otherwise maybe there would only be roundrobin
DonValley [5d\]: perfect timing
sume [-\]: can W live easily?
Defense7 [5d?\]: this is the final?
MaLa [3d\]: round robin would be faster then this format but still not fair at all ^^
rsun [5d\]: it sure is
odnihs [5d\]: I think w is ok
rsun [5d\]: as titled
JeansebL [6d?\]: Look at Ryan Li, he got unlucky and played gan and bill right at the beginning, and will probably not be seeded for next year because of that.
HonFu [2d\]: why roundrobin not fair mala?
MaLa [3d\]: because meaningless games in the last rounds
MaLa [3d\]: for those #5-#8
JeansebL [6d?\]: MaLa is trolling, there's is nothing more fair than everybody plays everybody
sume [-\]: well put it this way in elimination matches
MaLa [3d\]: surely not trolling
sume [-\]: the winner is obviously the best
sume [-\]: nobody else guaranteed
iwin [2k\]: anyone who disagrees with me is trolling
sume [-\]: double half solves that
caglard [11k\]: there is always a possibilty that the winner isnt best
sume [-\]: winner preformed the best i mean
Pempu [3d\]: definition of best is vague in this chat
odnihs [5d\]: well bill and jianing have relatively low aga ratings
goren2 [2k\]: i am the best
Pempu [3d\]: bestest?
sume [-\]: thats cuz its impossible to move your rating up ~_~
Jermelle [-\]: lol
Quaxi [6k\]: rr is more suited to a tournament with more people and more places for pros to be...
sume [-\]: i beat 2 8ds and moved up like .1
JeansebL [6d?\]: what's a meaningless game MaLa ?
goren2 [2k\]: golf
gogonuts [5d\]: i once wrote a simulation program because i wasnt satisfied with the tiebreak criteria in the german championship - it turned out you can choose them as you please - the advantage of stronger players stays exactly the same - and its the same for this rule to carry over results, you can just throw it out the window
Pempu [3d\]: oh man I'd love to comment about this game but KGS is making it hard :( How can I share a variation in here?
JeansebL [6d?\]: ihehe good point pempu
Quaxi [6k\]: just write it :)
iwin [2k\]: control click points
embeck [4k\]: clone the game
Pempu [3d\]: Hmm cloning might do the trick
gogonuts [5d\]: you can atleast press ctrl and click on the points
jodageezer [7k?\]: Is Myungwan Kim providing commentary on this game?
leachy [2k\]: Just do it pempu and you will start a different conversation
Pempu [3d\]: but then noone would see my variations ;)
Jermelle [-\]: He will joe
Jermelle [-\]: soon
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;B[ql]C[Jermelle [-\]: they're setting up i think
Quaxi [6k\]: write it here pempu :)
JesusTeAma [3k\]: where is the commentator ?
leachy [2k\]: yes use ctrl and click
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;W[pf]C[gunmanjoe [5d\]: if bill wins, when's the next game?
Pempu [3d\]: 4pm pacific time
JeansebL [6d?\]: tomorrow, both of them
sume [-\]: I think Calvin has this game in the bag unless he chokes hard
embeck [4k\]: later this afternoon
sume [-\]: upper right so big
]
;B[kn]C[gunmanjoe [5d\]: thx
]
;W[qq]C[Ranchan [1k\]: I find this dubious
Backflash [?\]: moooooyooooo
Ranchan [1k\]: l6 
Pempu [3d\]: NICE
gogonuts [5d\]: just r8 is fancy, but i dont the the possible advantage of not giving 2 ataris first
caglard [11k\]: oo
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;B[pr]C[Pempu [3d\]: uuh the voice quality is kinda bad :(
gogonuts [5d\]: L6 is somehow unpleasing to the eye - would look nicer at L7
embeck [4k\]: not for me
embeck [4k\]: voice quality that is
uurtamo [-\]: L7 confuses me. L6 is rough to understand, but L7 needs another stone or two.
HonFu [2d\]: Is everybody liking white here or some people black also?
]
;W[lm]C[rsun [5d\]: hard game for b
rsun [5d\]: b wall is not thick enough
gogonuts [5d\]: im worried that w q14 is too good and L6 is too small - so i take w too
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;B[km]
;W[pp]C[gogonuts [5d\]: q4? easier to suggest than to play, ofcourse
uurtamo [-\]: now i see how L6 looks good.
Falcon89 [4k\]: seems Calvin likes corners at the beginning
aristokrat [2d\]: corners are good for white
gogonuts [5d\]: b needs this complete area - not an enviable task
bbred [4k\]: r5?
uurtamo [-\]: falcon89: i'm almost boggled at that statement. why wouldn't everyone?
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;B[qp]C[Muttley [2k\]: I don't
Muttley [2k\]: I try to play thickly
Backflash [?\]: a lot of people don't
Backflash [?\]: mostly rebelious kyus:)
Quaxi [6k\]: lol :)
uurtamo [-\]: the efficiency of a corner move is so much higher than everywhere else.
Jermelle [-\]: I try to play solid and thick, I just make stupid mistakes xD
gogonuts [5d\]: my favorite position is more influence and territory than the other guy
Falcon89 [4k\]: oh, I mean Calvin like to do that quite often
gogonuts [5d\]: + more thickness
uurtamo [-\]: at the beginning they are like salmon swimming upstream. got to catch them.
Quaxi [6k\]: also prisoners gogonuts?
gogonuts [5d\]: definitely
]
;W[ll]C[Quaxi [6k\]: ^_^
gogonuts [5d\]: and more time
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;B[mo]
;W[qo]
;B[rp]C[jhgl: o4 
]
;W[nn]C[Muttley [2k\]: They are playing really quickly :/
]
;B[mn]C[ben0 [6d\]: well, w has a good flow
gogonuts [5d\]: y, its pleasing
Backflash [?\]: all these nobi
gogonuts [5d\]: but b says"no more mr nice guy"
Jermelle [-\]: mr nice sai
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
uurtamo [-\]: n6 is really nice to see.
Jermelle [-\]: Yeah, it's a nice move. W can't do anything to defend it the right way
Jermelle [-\]: if he plays N7 which isn't a good idea that's horrible shape
Backflash [?\]: its not
sorpikurt [6k?\]: i'm really interested in w's plan there. right bottom looks somewhat like a handi game
AffyTaffyC [1k?\]: someday... someday, I'll be where they are, to become pro TT.TT
uurtamo [-\]: i think that he has to play O7 or tenuki
Backflash [?\]: but would be useless at the moment
uurtamo [-\]: or O5 i guess.
Nirvanc [4k\]: 08 possible?
Jermelle [-\]: lol affy
redreoicy [3d\]: the plan is to get more points in other parts of the board
uurtamo [-\]: P6 doesn't feel right
Nirvanc [4k\]: O8
Nirvanc [4k\]: ?
Frasemus [7k\]: just P7 ?
sorpikurt [6k?\]: o8 looks overplay
Jermelle [-\]: nothing W can really do
Backflash [?\]: as weak player i would o8 to salvage at least something
uurtamo [-\]: actually, O5 is a disaster. i retract that.
Jermelle [-\]: any result is pretty dang bad
Catlemur [1k\]: will the pro qualifier stop when North America runs out of 6-7 dans?
Jermelle [-\]: lol new dans will come out of nowhere~
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;W[ok]C[Backflash [?\]: like mushrooms!
AffyTaffyC [1k?\]: like me!.... when I get there :(
uurtamo [-\]: like children.
Falcon89 [4k\]: go  Affy   go   :)
Jermelle [-\]: affy we get it -.-
Jermelle [-\]: Woah interesting move
AffyTaffyC [1k?\]: there's nothign wrong with expressing how I feel about wanting to be 6d or better :o
]
;B[pj]C[Nirvanc [4k\]: 08 now?
Backflash [?\]: there is something wrong with your wishes though
]
;W[nm]C[Jermelle [-\]: What's wrong with his wishes?
Muttley [2k\]: USGO, how much time has each player used please?
kmlck [1d\]: n17 looks vital
Jermelle [-\]: Oh good, I was wondering what P9 was for, it was a prep
Muttley [2k\]: don't know if you can see the chat window :/
MaLa [3d\]: scribes are not allowed to read chat
uurtamo [-\]: p9 makes o7 slightly better, yes. :)
Muttley [2k\]: it makes a working ladder for the cut Jermelle, but the cost is that b connects
Backflash [?\]: Muttley, cant say for sure, around 10-15 minutes used if i remember it right
Falcon89 [4k\]: P9= W wants to squeeze the q9 group
Backflash [?\]: both play pretty fast
Muttley [2k\]: shame, you can't get a handle on respective times used :/
Muttley [2k\]: exactly, they are both playing fast
Jermelle [-\]: they feel the flow
hobajons [-\]: wow
liptos [4k\]: they are one with the universe
hobajons [-\]: calvin is doing well
Jermelle [-\]: lol
caglard [11k\]: calvin is my sensei
hobajons [-\]: he is my lover
horowitz [1d\]: he is my god
Quaxi [6k\]: he's my father
Falcon89 [4k\]: please stop
Naphthalin [2d?\]: i am his god
hobajons [-\]: lol
Jermelle [-\]: lol hotowitz
Backflash [?\]: he is your father indeed
caglard [11k\]: godfather
]
;B[op]C[kmlck [1d\]: just what i was thinking
liptos [4k\]: i am your father luke
AffyTaffyC [1k?\]: if it isn't related to Go, i'd rather other conversations be elsewhere :(
Backflash [?\]: strangely no waifu joke still
Quaxi [6k\]: noooooooo!!!
Jermelle [-\]: LOL
hobajons [-\]: LOL
AffyTaffyC [1k?\]: XD
Quaxi [6k\]: lolol
Nirvanc [4k\]: ^^
Jermelle [-\]: this is why we love you muttley xD
]
;W[ng]C[liptos [4k\]: ok mutt T_T
kmlck [1d\]: or the force will kick you out
Muttley [2k\]: hehehe, game please :)
gogonuts [5d\]: a funny admin, can it be?
]
;B[mi]C[hobajons [-\]: i like how calvin reduced the moo
hobajons [-\]: moyo
Catlemur [1k\]: I hope white wins.
AffyTaffyC [1k?\]: I don't like w too well, easily being surrounded there
Naphthalin [2d?\]: muttley always is
hobajons [-\]: such big corner wow
Muttley [2k\]: bit stricter for these the game kibbitz really can be first class :)
Backflash [?\]: it ended much better than i though =\\
Backflash [?\]: t*
Backflash [?\]: will it run?
Jermelle [-\]: *gets back into 1d mode* Lets not count calvin out. I've seen high dans like him do some kind of magic to win
]
;W[kl]C[Backseeed [4d\]: I like this white position
Jermelle [-\]: I still like W too.
Huckies [6k\]: was that invasion really a success? I mean black still has the corner and area around m3 is big and safe
Backflash [?\]: yea, it runs
horowitz [1d\]: i predict b with die on top right
Falcon89 [4k\]: as a spectator, I hope Bill wins so that there'll be another exciting one
Jermelle [-\]: ^ I agree with horowitz yet again'
Backseeed [4d\]: if w q5, can b just p5 and kill those three stones?
hobajons [-\]: hm well
hobajons [-\]: w got corner
hobajons [-\]: so big cash
Naphthalin [2d?\]: can someone provide details of the tournament?
Nirvanc [4k\]: agree with falcon89
hobajons [-\]: he has more cash than b
sorpikurt [6k?\]: you mean r16 ? You don't know the tesuji there?
]
;B[il]C[Jermelle [-\]: looks like this fight will determine the game
]
;W[jl]
;B[im]C[gogonuts [5d\]: i dont think o13 was sucha goog idea
Jermelle [-\]: jump at L10
]
;W[mh]C[uurtamo [-\]: fight? b is making cash and w is doing diddly.
Jermelle [-\]: or not
]
;B[li]C[Jermelle [-\]: yes, but if W lives and gets out B has almost no cash, W is ahead in sold cash anyway
Backflash [?\]: simple l13?
hobajons [-\]: tengen pls
gogonuts [5d\]: w compounding o13 problem, imo
Backflash [?\]: oh riight forgot about runing
]
;W[jj]C[gogonuts [5d\]: sacrifing the center and hoping to take the entire top is not a promising plan to me
]
;B[lh]C[Backseeed [4d\]: but can b cut o13?
gogonuts [5d\]: but moving the center helps b defend the top naturally
uurtamo [-\]: backseeed: no.
]
;W[ni]C[uurtamo [-\]: it just looks like b dominates this game so far.
Quaxi [6k\]: it seems to me that white center group will be harassed a lot
Backflash [?\]: o9?
hobajons [-\]: w making plays
Quaxi [6k\]: and in the meantime b will profit
]
;B[nj]
;W[lg]C[Backseeed [4d\]: white is always twisting and turning
HonFu [2d\]: I hate to be in the position to have to harass a weak group profitably.
uurtamo [-\]: honfu: to "have" to?
Backflash [?\]: that's why you are still a 2d
johnny [6k\]: n11 in big trouble
Quaxi [6k\]: it's not easy 
Quaxi [6k\]: but they are top amateurs so......
elianovici [2d\]: n7 works?
hobajons [-\]: ez game for calvin
Backseeed [4d\]: e2 really offbeat
Quaxi [6k\]: i see a different game for now hoba
Herod [-\]: Soon one of them won't be a top amateur
horowitz [1d\]: he will be weakest pro
DonValley [5d\]: is the next game tonight?
gogonuts [5d\]: play L13 and worry later
horowitz [1d\]: and the cycle of life begins
Naphthalin [2d?\]: @Herod: that sounds worse than it actually is
Backflash [?\]: he will be "pro", yeeea
Falcon89 [4k\]: Don, 7pm our time if there is one
HonFu [2d\]: backflash, you know why I am still 2d? Please tell me more about it. Last two or so years I wasnt able to figure it out myself. :-)
uurtamo [-\]: L13? i'm not a believer.
Schnapps [2k\]: l13 seem too dangerous
hobajons [-\]: well
Backflash [?\]: HonFu i just told you haven't i?
ticktock [2d?\]: Where is this live commentary that was mentioned in the room?
hobajons [-\]: just go to china like me
hobajons [-\]: get ez 5d
TitanPupil [1k\]: ticktock, top of active games tab
Naphthalin [2d?\]: comments are in extra game
uurtamo [-\]: i believe K12 perhaps.
Backflash [?\]: in other demo tick
HonFu [2d\]: well, backflash, I am too weak, didn't understand what you meant.
caglard [11k\]: top of active games
Quaxi [6k\]: l13 seems like op
ticktock [2d?\]: thx
Naphthalin [2d?\]: audio comment
hobajons [-\]: regardless
TitanPupil [1k\]: np
]
;B[ji]C[hobajons [-\]: hard to kill
hobajons [-\]: w
hobajons [-\]: and top b group is in trouble
Quaxi [6k\]: i don't think b needs to kill also i don't think top in trouble for now
Naphthalin [2d?\]: what was w's last move?
kmr [1d\]: i guess h9
Naphthalin [2d?\]: ah, m13. thought that was some moves ago
Backflash [?\]: m13  
elianovici [2d\]: p10 
Backflash [?\]: j11?
johnny [6k\]: B o9?
]
;W[ik]
;B[kg]
;W[kf]
;B[lf]C[hobajons [-\]: ya
]
;W[mg]C[hobajons [-\]: w gas tgus
iwin [2k\]: o wow
hobajons [-\]: has this
horowitz [1d\]: caru going for keel
iwin [2k\]: do it big
hobajons [-\]: DO it
HonFu [2d\]: looks hard for black.
hobajons [-\]: calvin is just playing spectacular game after agame
]
;B[ii]C[JIeBuc [4d\]: a bit complicated game
uurtamo [-\]: O7 group remarkable.
uurtamo [-\]: i guess N10 is no joke now.
]
;W[gk]C[ricedragon [1d\]: h9?
]
;B[ek]C[horowitz [1d\]: :O
woodrose [1d\]: b read it all
Backflash [?\]: e9 tooo fast
elianovici [2d\]: what rank do you have?
Nirvanc [4k\]: i love dat bill
]
;W[jm]C[HonFu [2d\]: backflash? must be 5 or 6d
elianovici [2d\]: blackflash
Backflash [?\]: i am genuine ddk
elianovici [2d\]: oh
HonFu [2d\]: that's not impossible, backflash. You knew why I am still 2d, so you must be 5 or 6d at least.
HonFu [2d\]: dont be so modest. ;-)
caglard [11k\]: isnt M15 good for white? it doesnt force O15?
Backflash [?\]: HonFu that must sting you a lot
yorugua [6k\]: he is 8k playing, but 8d kibitzing
hobajons [-\]: ofc
horowitz [1d\]: oHo
hobajons [-\]: calvin win ez
HonFu [2d\]: what exactly?
hobajons [-\]: e9 lol
hobajons [-\]: too fancy
johnny [6k\]: B j6?
Backflash [?\]: i am not going to continue, i made silly not very funny joke you took it seriously, end of story
HonFu [2d\]: well, theres no move in the upper side, so he wants to continue attack and hope that something nice develops at the top.(is why I would play e9, if I played it)
]
;B[in]
;W[jn]
;B[jo]
;W[no]C[ThiGar [4k\]: Should'nt b strebghen the upper side?
HonFu [2d\]: oh ... :( Then I have to go on thinking about the reason. I thought that would be over now. 
uurtamo [-\]: well, G9 lives anyway.
hobajons [-\]: oh dang
iwin [2k\]: what's he doing
hobajons [-\]: cut
hobajons [-\]: fixing
hobajons [-\]: his cut
hobajons [-\]: by forcing
TitanPupil [1k\]: oh i c
hobajons [-\]: ja
sedgwick [?\]: forcing black to concede some points to make the strongest attack
hobajons [-\]: well fixing n7
hobajons [-\]: mostly in sente
johnny [6k\]: B o4?
hobajons [-\]: he may just push and cut
]
;B[np]
;W[ln]
;B[ko]
;W[lo]C[hobajons [-\]: ya
]
;B[lp]C[hobajons [-\]: so fix cut
iwin [2k\]: nice
hobajons [-\]: in sente
Backflash [?\]: he got pushed himself though
DonValley [5d\]: strong
johnny [6k\]: B holds onto bottom....W f3 soon?
hobajons [-\]: g11
uurtamo [-\]: w is fine, but doesn't have enough points.
JIeBuc [4d\]: why?
JIeBuc [4d\]: seems close
HonFu [2d\]: blacks still got a problem to solve at the top, no?
hobajons [-\]: w has enought pts
hobajons [-\]: and also m13 is not alive
TitanPupil [1k\]: m13?
TitanPupil [1k\]: m13 is not alive?
hobajons [-\]: m14
hobajons [-\]: my bad
Backflash [?\]: can top die with l14 cut?
TitanPupil [1k\]: np lol
JIeBuc [4d\]: dont think it could die
JIeBuc [4d\]: but thats tasty
yunoo: h8? painfull tho
uurtamo [-\]: nothing on the board other than C13 looks dead. dead isn't the issue as much as territory mangling.
caglard [11k\]: c13 isnt dead :D
caglard [11k\]: there is always possibilty if you breathe!
]
;W[hl]C[yunoo: now b got some nice sente
johnny [6k\]: waiting for a g15 or j17...
sedgwick [?\]: taking the left side very large, but with the damaged o16 grop left behind it looks like not enough for b
hobajons [-\]: yes
hobajons [-\]: that is my assesment too
hobajons [-\]: b needs to catch up
]
;B[gm]C[hobajons [-\]: but nah i want calvin for pro
xDragon [?\]: you could root for a winner take all game tonight
uurtamo [-\]: does anyone see pro moves on the board? i don't yet.
johnny [6k\]: if B wins, there will be another game today, no?
TitanPupil [1k\]: hi sume
ThiGar [4k\]: b looks good
]
;W[jg]C[caglard [11k\]: bebeler bir susun da izleyin
sume [-\]: BAGS ALL IN
]
;B[kh]C[TitanPupil [1k\]: :O
sume [-\]: HE DONT CARE IF HE DIE
sume [-\]: jk
hobajons [-\]: lol
hobajons [-\]: man up!
hobajons [-\]: k15
AffyTaffyC [1k?\]: lol would be funny to see that happen
TitanPupil [1k\]: lol
Backflash [?\]: l15?
JIeBuc [4d\]: hm
JIeBuc [4d\]: i think nope
JIeBuc [4d\]: actually w dont really need l15 
]
;W[el]C[sume [-\]: B has to f9 right?
Backflash [?\]: oh i hate when its done to me
Nirvanc [4k\]: b h10
sume [-\]: not looking that good for B
]
;B[em]C[q15p17r14 [2d\]: I think h10 right now would be bad, since white can push at h7
johnny [6k\]: B c10 soon?
sume [-\]: e10 
]
;W[ej]
;B[dm]C[sume [-\]: k15 
Backflash [?\]: side is bigger for now?
]
;W[dh]
;B[hj]
;W[hk]C[isbhal [3d\]: they will be pro after this game ?
isbhal [3d\]: both of two ?
yorugua [6k\]: only 1
Falcon89 [4k\]: no, one
isbhal [3d\]: ahah
isbhal [3d\]: if bill lin become pro
isbhal [3d\]: it's the end of go
Jermelle [-\]: lol
yorugua [6k\]: wo, so much hate
yorugua [6k\]: wow*
Zombie [-\]: #Bill4Pro
catblack [4d?\]: isbhal do you want his we chat id? you can talk to him directly^^
isbhal [3d\]: i want play with him
TitanPupil [1k\]: play me first
manofearth [?\]: sounds morelike grudging admiration than haTE
horowitz [1d\]: zombie please
horowitz [1d\]: calvin4pro
Nirvanc [4k\]: how many time each player has?
Falcon89 [4k\]: if so, Vancouver's Go population will explode
NlsBlr [1d\]: did calvin win yesterday?
horowitz [1d\]: yes
]
;B[di]C[ThiGar [4k\]: Who is the better teacher? Calvin or Bill?
]
;W[eh]
;B[ei]C[isbhal [3d\]: i don't know 
sume [-\]: i dont think either of them teach lol
Naphthalin [2d?\]: what are their KGS names?
TitanPupil [1k\]: billlin and kbag
ThiGar [4k\]: that will be a lot of their lives as pros
isbhal [3d\]: the real question is
Athanor [-\]: Billin teaches on kgs i think
isbhal [3d\]: who has more buttons ?
sume [-\]: i doubt that either of them will spend much of their time teaching
sume [-\]: even if they win
ThiGar [4k\]: buttons? not funny. their might be pros and teach!
JIeBuc [4d\]: even 5k can teach
JIeBuc [4d\]: isnt?
isbhal [3d\]: even me
]
;W[ci]C[NlsBlr [1d\]: no, not you
Lsugyen [6d\]: b for the kill?
Lsugyen [6d\]: can b kill?
Hotascurry [5k\]: you tell us
Lsugyen [6d\]: I don't think so
TitanPupil [1k\]: hi albert
]
;B[dj]
;W[fk]C[horowitz [1d\]: hi titan
JIeBuc [4d\]: hi horowitz
sume [-\]:  bags hard to kill
Lsugyen [6d\]: hi Hugh
Hotascurry [5k\]: hi kouuraki
JIeBuc [4d\]: btw. seems even c13 could live
sume [-\]: who is Hugh?
]
;B[fi]C[TitanPupil [1k\]: you haha
Warfreak2 [5d\]: goooo bill
horowitz [1d\]: :(
horowitz [1d\]: #calvinpro2014
sorpikurt [6k?\]: hugh is gregory
sume [-\]: id be surprised if bill can win from this situation
horowitz [1d\]: touche
]
;W[cl]C[Nirvanc [4k\]: can black kill the group in bottom???
sume [-\]: even if he can
sume [-\]: everywhere else dies
sume [-\]: he has to c10 
ThiGar [4k\]: no, M11 alive (with sente)
johnny [6k\]: B b12?
TDK [2d?\]: looks much like w has sente after living
]
;B[ck]C[sume [-\]: LOL
xDragon [?\]: they were saying c9 is only move
horowitz [1d\]: :O
sume [-\]: i didnt see that
sume [-\]: me is stupid
TitanPupil [1k\]: BILL!
sume [-\]: i wonder if bags saw it
Lsugyen [6d\]: probably not
horowitz [1d\]: doesn't w stll connect tho
Lsugyen [6d\]: did you?
TitanPupil [1k\]: the divine move
sume [-\]: game saver for bill
Lsugyen [6d\]: yeah
Hotascurry [5k\]: wait somebody explain
sume [-\]: hard for W to connect
Hotascurry [5k\]: please :)
Lsugyen [6d\]: D8 and we connect
cranium [2d\]: c10 only move
ThiGar [4k\]: funny thing, if b b12, w e12 can get caught in a ladder
sume [-\]: c10 b9 f12 ?
cranium [2d\]: j14 would be a painfull ladder breaker
ThiGar [4k\]: c10 b12 b9 e13 ?
JeansebL [6d?\]: black will do some magic
Falcon89 [4k\]: hope so
JeansebL [6d?\]: he had to feel the danger to start reading for real, and now he has :p
cranium [2d\]: what w do if b q13 later ?
caglard [11k\]: w dead? in real life? ;:D
Jermelle [-\]: lol
xDragon [?\]: its called reading
MaLa [3d\]: reading, that sounds like black magic
MaLa [3d\]: witchery
caglard [11k\]: lol if i read 1000 pages book it would finished now
Jermelle [-\]: who reads anymore?
hikarupro [9k\]: what sort of things is white reading out right now?
xDragon [?\]: well now you know why youre ddk
sume [-\]: how to live
Jermelle [-\]: xdragon I am not ddk ):
xDragon [?\]: i meant caglard
TDK [2d?\]: d8 c7 c10 b9 b8 
USGO1 [-\]:  both have ~30min left
TDK [2d?\]: at least living should be possible
hikarupro [9k\]: thanks
Jermelle [-\]: ty
domi999 [1k\]: g11 ?
johnny [6k\]: B e13 ladder after B b12?
caglard [11k\]: god please help him
Falcon89 [4k\]: haha
ThiGar [4k\]: 15 min?
caglard [11k\]: if b knew answer for C19 would take 30 minutes , he wouldnt do that move i think :D
caglard [11k\]: C9
beeracc [3k\]: noch chance but to connect at d8 ?
xDragon [?\]: of course he would have
caglard [11k\]: C10 seems good but im not dan :D
ThiGar [4k\]: w d8, b c7
xDragon [?\]: why ar eyou complaining so much that hes thinking so much at a vital time in a vital game...
croc [4d\]: w has been thinking for how long
HappyGuy [4d\]: who is black
beeracc [3k\]: c10 doesnt work
Naphthalin [2d?\]: why is he thinking so long? not that this move could have any effects on his whole life
Babibo [2d?\]: c10 b9 and then w has to play d8 because his center group is dying
yunoo: most i can see is a horrible ko to live, i suck tho
ThiGar [4k\]: this a serious quasi-pro game, not a kiddo blitz
xDragon [?\]: yeah he needs to play faster because the ddk doesnt have an attention span past 20 seconds
johnny [6k\]: look, a squirrel!
liptos [4k\]: haha
caglard [11k\]: why he should play d8 babibo he cant kill C9?
HappyGuy [4d\]: how much time does each have left
yorugua [6k\]: caglard, after c10 b9, d8 kills c9, that is the point
Babibo [2d?\]: c10 b9 b8 d8 e9 b11 b12 b10 
manofearth [?\]: r u joking(i hope), Naptha?
xDragon [?\]: he is because a ddk keeps complaining that w is palying too slow
hobajons [-\]: lol
hobajons [-\]: napa
hobajons [-\]: i mean
hobajons [-\]: the j10 group isnt exactly alive
hobajons [-\]: there is still hopoe
hobajons [-\]: GO CALVIN
Jazzman [1k\]: GO HOBBES
Hobbes [1k\]: thx
yorugua [6k\]: the j10 group is not alive or dead, it doesn't exist ;)
manofearth [?\]: i c. he was answering an fool
Babibo [2d?\]: w can just d8 c10 c7 b12 and live but then his initial invasion doesn't make sense
]
;W[cj]C[domi999 [1k\]: oooh
marius [9k\]: action!
Babibo [2d?\]: w will d8 and choose peace
kadoban [-\]: yorugua: it lacks liberties, aka dead ;)
hobajons [-\]: no g11!!!!!
johnny [6k\]: it's ALIVE!
yorugua [6k\]: kadoban, there is no j10 group ;)
yorugua [6k\]: ahh, lol, sorry
yorugua [6k\]: too slow
kadoban [-\]: hehe
ThiGar [4k\]: so, b9 or b12?
hobajons [-\]: CALVIN
hobajons [-\]: do it
hobajons [-\]: :D
]
;B[bk]
;W[bl]C[Babibo [2d?\]: wowo
Babibo [2d?\]: ko
hobajons [-\]: no ko
]
;B[dl]C[hobajons [-\]: just connect then g11 out
hobajons [-\]: ezx\\
]
;W[bh]C[iwin [2k\]: what
iwin [2k\]: omg
Jermelle [-\]: nj nj
yorugua [6k\]: HUGE ko!!!
Pennylane [4d\]: w counted threaths
hobajons [-\]: oooooooooo
iwin [2k\]: must have been counting
hobajons [-\]: this is
hobajons [-\]: so
iwin [2k\]: waou
manofearth [?\]: ko is  better than life. (4 the fans, anyway)
horowitz [1d\]: :O
Naphthalin [2d?\]: what big threats does b have?
hobajons [-\]: intense
hobajons [-\]: AHAHAH
hobajons [-\]: im so scared
hobajons [-\]: calvin
hobajons [-\]: do it
horowitz [1d\]: i would be too scared ot play ko
Herod [-\]: calm down hobajons
liptos [4k\]: let the bloodbath begin
JIeBuc [4d\]: lol
domi999 [1k\]: ok b's turn to analyse 450 moves ahead
caglard [11k\]: :D
]
;B[ek]C[xDragon [?\]: reading out the ko
jldemaio [10k\]: or more
]
;W[oj]C[Babibo [2d?\]: b does not need to think here
manofearth [?\]: then u'd never be playin gin this game, even with 10 the talent of the participants
manofearth [?\]: 10X
domi999 [1k\]: ignore!!!
]
;B[oi]
;W[dk]C[domi999 [1k\]: :(
yorugua [6k\]: if ignore w is alive
domi999 [1k\]: b7 
payton [5k\]: my thoughts exactly, b7
sedgwick [?\]: b need to think more than one ko threat :)
payton [5k\]: ya but i don't
ThiGar [4k\]: another threat is N4
Kable [3k\]: :o
liptos [4k\]: w has mucho threats
caglard [11k\]: K9 isnt a threat? please comment
payton [5k\]: white has this massiv "dead group" threats are pratically endless
]
;B[bj]
;W[bn]C[NlsBlr [1d\]: mucho grande threats
]
;B[ek]
;W[nh]C[BobaTea [?\]: omg b10 sooo bad
Schnapps [2k\]: Shouldn't b tenuki this?
Schnapps [2k\]: And defend the ko?
domi999 [1k\]: n10 
domi999 [1k\]: b has b11 
domi999 [1k\]: or c7
Naphthalin [2d?\]: w completed a bomber. he has to be winning now!
domi999 [1k\]: whats w's next threat?
JIeBuc [4d\]: i think if w has more threats then b should f10 
]
;B[ol]
;W[dk]
;B[bi]
;W[ch]
;B[ek]
;W[nk]
;B[mj]
;W[dk]C[kwx [5k\]: c7
Nao [7d\]: cant easily c7
yorugua [6k\]: wow! 9p saying b wins
Nao [7d\]: f11 is not alive 
]
;B[cm]C[Nao [7d\]: its not connected to c9 so its still gonna be a realyl hard fight for black even if white connects e9 here
Justin9202 [17k\]: i agree
Falcon89 [4k\]: yorugua, Myungwan Kim said that?
yorugua [6k\]: I think so
caglard [11k\]: b has two more threats but w has just one i think
apetresc [?\]: Falcon89, yes, he's still saying that
Schnapps [2k\]: He said that w doesn't have enough
Falcon89 [4k\]: thx, i am happy
apetresc [?\]: And now they're saying the game might be adjourned soon for lunch
]
;W[hi]C[manofearth [?\]: unless i misread (not entirely impossible) by playing  p8, b lost a connection 2  the bottom that hed havehas  with n9
USGO1 [-\]: w 10:00 remains
JeansebL [6d?\]: choose a ko threat lol
USGO1 [-\]: lunch break in 3 minutes
Nao [7d\]: white making more threats
]
;B[hh]C[manofearth [?\]: that makes the ko easily winnable 4w
caglard [11k\]: to live or not to live
Nao [7d\]: I think it will live for black and white but i think the damage will be more painful for white than black
USGO1 [-\]: we will play through lunch
Falcon89 [4k\]: thx
gentoo [-\]: \\o/
USGO1 [-\]: D: so hungry :'(
xDragon [?\]: only weaklings need food
Naphthalin [2d?\]: so they are eating at the board?
caglard [11k\]: he sacrifices his desires of fod!!!!!!
yunoo: eat a big mac
CakeEater [1d\]: usgo unlucky
Kable [3k\]: D:
xDragon [?\]: i wouldnt want to adjourn the game at this point either
RobertT [-\]: I'm sad clavin didn't play the lee changho opening I showed him :(
Kable [3k\]: :(
RobertT [-\]: calvin*
fly [6d\]: aw... too bad
Falcon89 [4k\]: I have cooked Dragon(lobster) Tails for them   :p
caglard [11k\]: im sad bill lin doest obey the techniques i thought him!
dogbert [4d\]: which 9p
xDragon [?\]: the die everywheresuji?
USGO1 [-\]: w 5:00 remains
horowitz [1d\]: how long for b
Falcon89 [4k\]: Myungwan Kim 9p
dogbert [4d\]: ok:)
]
;W[gi]
;B[gh]
;W[bm]
;B[ek]
;W[pm]C[Naphthalin [2d?\]: what is byo-yomi? 1min?
]
;B[fj]
;W[pl]
;B[qj]C[yorugua [6k\]: b wins
nork [1k\]: 1 eye?
hikarupro [9k\]: 40 sec 5 p
hikarupro [9k\]: byo-yomi
NekoStone [1d\]: second eye at K9
]
;W[om]C[nork [1k\]: not so easy imo
NekoStone [1d\]: yes
]
;B[mk]C[HonFu [2d\]: wow, game still going on?
]
;W[nl]C[nork [1k\]: and where is 2 eye?
Nirvanc [4k\]: l10
NekoStone [1d\]: Q5-P5
nork [1k\]: dead in gote
Kable [3k\]: lol
NekoStone [1d\]: otr J10 and L10
yorugua [6k\]: lol, not in gote
Kable [3k\]: liars
Nirvanc [4k\]: not gote
horowitz [1d\]: how is it dead
croc [4d\]: game 3 is sealed
nork [1k\]: ok, just saw j10
horowitz [1d\]: ya pls
horowitz [1d\]: calvin cannot die
]
;B[qn]C[horowitz [1d\]: i will not allow
NekoStone [1d\]: and J10 now
elianovici [2d\]: j10 g10 l10 
Draconian [1d\]: they are playing in lunch room?
elianovici [2d\]: 2 eye
TitanPupil [1k\]: alive in gote
Lsugyen [6d\]: !!
TitanPupil [1k\]: 2 pts
croc [4d\]: b L-9 is sente
TitanPupil [1k\]: no
TitanPupil [1k\]: j10 l9
croc [4d\]: w dead and dead
TitanPupil [1k\]: w dead
caglard [11k\]: he lives for 2 points!
TitanPupil [1k\]: j10 l9?
Lsugyen [6d\]: w dead
nork [1k\]: yes
Lsugyen [6d\]: L9 sente
tinca [-\]: living is ot enough, winning the game is
tinca [-\]: not
nork [1k\]: but killing isenough :_)
]
;W[rj]
;B[rk]C[tinca [-\]: yes cause thats a win :-)
Justin9202 [17k\]: i think black can kill
]
;W[ij]C[nork [1k\]: l9
tinca [-\]: w lives
]
;B[kk]C[horowitz [1d\]: no
Lsugyen [6d\]: this is kill
RobertT [-\]: rip
Justin9202 [17k\]: what if l9 played
oskarv [2d\]: dead
Justin9202 [17k\]: true
]
;W[gj]C[nork [1k\]: dead as dodo
hikarupro [9k\]: cut!!!!
elianovici [2d\]: lol
USGO1 [-\]: w is in byoyomi
Justin9202 [17k\]: cut it 
croc [4d\]: fin
caglard [11k\]: black is in risk too
TitanPupil [1k\]: k9 j12
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;B[jk]C[Kable [3k\]: :O
Redjoker [3d\]: will b be pro if he wins?
FirePrince [3d\]: isn't white dead...
Hotascurry [5k\]: m9
oskarv [2d\]: both
tinca [-\]: well seems he doesnt
sedgwick [?\]: One more game tonight
CakeEater [1d\]: no
nork [1k\]: almost
xDragon [?\]: if b wins they play a tiebreaker tonight
Muttley [2k\]: what about the snapback?
xDragon [?\]: if w wins he becomes pro
TitanPupil [1k\]: k9 j12 k14 h13
Falcon89 [4k\]: snapback
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;W[ih]C[TitanPupil [1k\]: is w really dead?
RobertT [-\]: no. if he wins then it goes to 1 more game and winner of that game becomes pro
Muttley [2k\]: this is the snapback
Redjoker [3d\]: so the next game decides :D
gogonuts [5d\]: b k14
TitanPupil [1k\]: b has to play k14
TitanPupil [1k\]: but then w h13
nork [1k\]: k14
Justin9202 [17k\]:  j13 might help here
Justin9202 [17k\]: i feel that would be best
TitanPupil [1k\]: j13 and there is a snapback
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;B[jf]C[nork [1k\]: how much pro is worth?
]
;W[hg]C[CaesarJMD: an apple
TitanPupil [1k\]: yay he did my variation
Babibo [2d?\]: j13 m9 l10 m10 l11 n8 was snapback
xDragon [?\]: in this tournament, $1500
]
;B[ke]
;W[fh]C[TitanPupil [1k\]: w half alive
TitanPupil [1k\]: half a group
]
;B[ec]C[TitanPupil [1k\]: in gote
]
;W[db]
;B[gd]C[tinca [-\]: this is not enough
FirePrince [3d\]: b bottom right is scary huge
nork [1k\]: was l15 good move?
TitanPupil [1k\]: yes
]
;W[kj]
;B[lk]C[Falcon89 [4k\]: L15  necessary
RiFLoK [5k\]: bottom right is too big i think
HappyGuy [4d\]: black over 100
FirePrince [3d\]: yeah
Justin9202 [17k\]: yes
FirePrince [3d\]: b+res i think
nork [1k\]: can someone igher than 5k confirm?
horowitz [1d\]: you can confirm
Justin9202 [17k\]:  black needs to fill in it sone eye to make life
yorugua [6k\]: well...w is dead
CakeEater [1d\]: try to kill d16 
yorugua [6k\]: b wins
CakeEater [1d\]: last hope
Justin9202 [17k\]: thought so
Justin9202 [17k\]: ^_^
Welvang [6d\]: the winner is pro ?
Lsugyen [6d\]: w seems hopeless
Justin9202 [17k\]:  ogreat game
TitanPupil [1k\]: welvang, if bill wins they play again
TitanPupil [1k\]: if calvin wins he is pro
Justin9202 [17k\]:  no if b wins they go to tyebraker
Welvang [6d\]: k, billin 1p would be sad
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;W[hd]
;B[he]
;W[ie]C[Roosta [1k\]: why sad?
tinca [-\]: w prepares for the next match
Schnapps [2k\]: why the hate towards billin?
Nirvanc [4k\]: b 90points
Welvang [6d\]: no hate here
BobaTea [?\]: bill lin > keiju
TitanPupil [1k\]: who is keiju lol
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;B[ge]C[fakeyou [2d\]: g14
Goreon [2d\]: Can more than one player become pro in this tourney?
iwin [2k\]: no
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;W[if]C[Nirvanc [4k\]: w 60 points
xDragon [?\]: 2nd and 3rd place will get automatic enter into the next pro qualifier
xDragon [?\]: so whoever loses this and jianing gan
elianovici [2d\]: if kill b the game is close i think
elianovici [2d\]: w kill b*
Betwixt [5d\]: no kill..
yw [?\]: did b just kill himself?
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;B[fc]C[tinca [-\]: W exercises B
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;W[hc]C[FirePrince [3d\]: no b lives
]
;B[bd]C[yorugua [6k\]: 9p confirms, b lives
yw [?\]: nvm
Betwixt [5d\]: atari first at h17 would be much easier
]
;W[bb]C[Schnapps [2k\]: The 9p didn't mentionned h17
]
;B[ff]C[Schnapps [2k\]: Yet he showed that b lives
TitanPupil [1k\]: b does live, anyway
hobajons [-\]: gg
hobajons [-\]: :(
caglard [11k\]: G13 needed for white:D
DeadTired [2d\]: so easy enough either way for 9p, I guess
USGO1 [-\]: white has resigned
Schnapps [2k\]: gg
Roosta [1k\]: I rooted for bill because I like watching dramatic tiebreakers + more games :-D
TitanPupil [1k\]: w00t bill
hikarupro [9k\]: next game?
RiFLoK [5k\]: nice one
USGO1 [-\]: thank you for watching!
RiFLoK [5k\]: thx
Justin9202 [17k\]: great game
hobajons [-\]: gg
Rochedale [4k\]: Yay, tie breaker!
r2doubleg [9k\]: gg
TitanPupil [1k\]: gg
USGO1 [-\]: the next game will be at 4:00
woodrose [1d\]: go bill
alex666 [?\]: thx
gnarf [1d\]: thxusgo
horowitz [1d\]: No
FirePrince [3d\]: the tiebreaker at 4 :O
xDragon [?\]: next game in about 3 hours 45 minutes
Falcon89 [4k\]: thx   Andrew
horowitz [1d\]: I am sad
Muttley [2k\]: what time is it now?
caglard [11k\]: bill > calvin and it will always remain same
buu [3d\]: Bill Bill Bill Bill    Bill nye the science guy
climbtrees [6k\]: 4pm est or pst?
Draconian [1d\]: 4:00 for europe?
FirePrince [3d\]: lol
horowitz [1d\]: Please calvin5ever
FirePrince [3d\]: 4 pm what time zone?
TitanPupil [1k\]: buu
Draconian [1d\]: pm?
Muttley [2k\]: just correcting for UK time
yorugua [6k\]: PST
xDragon [?\]: 3 hours 45 minutes from now
TitanPupil [1k\]: fp, its in 3 hr 40 min 
xDragon [?\]: is the next game
FirePrince [3d\]: oh so 3 hours for me lol
FirePrince [3d\]: kk
Muttley [2k\]: thanks
TitanPupil [1k\]: calvin5ever? bill6ever
FirePrince [3d\]: calvin's invasion is what lost him the game it'd seem
climbtrees [6k\]: ty ty., to players and to scribe
TitanPupil [1k\]: tbh im rooting 4 both
USGO3 [-\]: talk to Muttly
hobajons [-\]: CALVIN
hobajons [-\]: WILL WIN
horowitz [1d\]: pls calvin is the only pro
hobajons [-\]: NEXT TIME
hobajons [-\]: HE WILL
horowitz [1d\]: calvin will win
caglard [11k\]: calvin has no chance against bill again
hobajons [-\]: WB
hikarupro [9k\]: i want Bill
hobajons [-\]: yea he does
hobajons [-\]: get out
shinkertif [1d\]: what if calvin win the next match?
hobajons [-\]: 11k
horowitz [1d\]: calvin will win
hobajons [-\]: yes
horowitz [1d\]: i believe in him
Welvang [6d\]: where is hobbes
hobajons [-\]: i do too
Muttley [2k\]: unbelievable that Bill won that
iwin [2k\]: i believe too
Muttley [2k\]: what a fighter
hikarupro [9k\]: under dowggg!
yorugua [6k\]: whoever wins is pro shinkertif
shinkertif [1d\]: but it will be 1-1
Hobbes [1k\]: welvang, I'm here!
croc [4d\]: it's good for observers to have game 3 regardless who you root for
svartrev [4k\]: shinker, is already 1-1... they count the first game Bill and Calvin played, in the second round
Nao [7d\]: go bill :)
svartrev [4k\]: So next game is the decider
Nao [7d\]: no
Nao [7d\]: this was the first game
Nao [7d\]: 1-0 atm
BlackSmurf [1d\]: when is the next game?
JeansebL [6d?\]: no 1-1
BlackSmurf [1d\]: no nao .. its 1 each
JeansebL [6d?\]: because of their wierd system...
Nao [7d\]: it is?
JeansebL [6d?\]: round robin next year pls....
BlackSmurf [1d\]: they count the previous league game
shinkertif [1d\]: thanks svartrev
Lsugyen [6d\]: Bill won?
Hobbes [1k\]: calvin is having weak groups runnig too much often lately
svartrev [4k\]: Yeah, agreed, pretty hinkey system
Nao [7d\]: But, today is monday...
Nao [7d\]: the 2nd match isnt till tuesday and the 3rd match is also on tuesday
Nao [7d\]: bill and calvin played earlier in the rounds though
Nao [7d\]: and bill lost 
Nao [7d\]: are they counting that?
Hobbes [1k\]: yes
Falcon89 [4k\]: no tuesday match
Nao [7d\]: wow thats weird
Hobbes [1k\]: there will be no tommorow
Nao [7d\]: you would think theyd just do a best of 3 in the finals
Falcon89 [4k\]: tonight's game will decide the NA pro
Nao [7d\]: that must be heavy on black 
BlackSmurf [1d\]: when is the last game?
Nao [7d\]: says tuesday 2AM but I dont know anywmore
Falcon89 [4k\]: about 3.5 hr from now, Smurf
manofearth [?\]: i lost my connection during the ko fight. will there be an online record somewhereon KGS?
Hobbes [1k\]: it's actually a best of 15 match... counting ALL previous game
Hobbes [1k\]: s*
Nao [7d\]: http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-results-2013
BlackSmurf [1d\]: thx falcon 
Falcon89 [4k\]: mano, see USGO1 's info for this game
Falcon89 [4k\]: welcome
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