(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[5400]OT[5x40 byo-yomi]
GN[2nd AGA Professional Qualification - Lu (w) Lin (b)]PW[Andrew Lu]PB[Bill Lin]WR[7d]BR[7d]DT[2014-01-04]RO[4B]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Dave Dows]RE[B+Resign]
;B[qd]
;W[dc]
;B[pq]
;W[dp]
;B[oc]
;W[po]
;B[pl]C[ElNino [1d?\]: p17 is outdated
SirEttin [1d\]: w is pro?
]
;W[mp]C[ElNino [1d?\]: pre pro
xDragon [?\]: its a professional qualification tournament
]
;B[oo]C[laduradura [8d\]: pseudo pro
SirEttin [1d\]: is w andy?
xDragon [?\]: no...
SirEttin [1d\]: ok
]
;W[on]
;B[no]C[xDragon [?\]: andrew lu is a really young canadian if i recall right
xDragon [?\]: really young american*
xDragon [?\]: youre thinking of andy liu, whos already a pro
SirEttin [1d\]: yea you are right
]
;W[pp]
;B[nq]C[SirEttin [1d\]: are there any aga 9p's?
]
;W[qq]
;B[oq]C[quahog [4k\]: no
quahog [4k\]: aga just started the pro prgram in 2012...currently 2 pros...both 1p
quahog [4k\]: this turney will determine a 3rd pro
quahog [4k\]: tourney
]
;W[nn]
;B[mo]C[xDragon [?\]: these 2 and calvin sun vs gan jianing in the other board are the 4 left
]
;W[qr]C[SirEttin [1d\]: how many titles are there in us?
]
;B[pn]
;W[pm]
;B[qn]
;W[qm]
;B[ro]
;W[rn]
;B[qo]
;W[qp]
;B[rm]
;W[sn]
;B[ql]
;W[om]
;B[sm]
;W[rl]
;B[so]
;W[rk]C[laduradura [8d\]: s6 some kind of trick play?
yasi [1d\]: famous chessey move
laduradura [8d\]: is it?
laduradura [8d\]: I never seen it before
yasi [1d\]: p9 is the anwesr
yasi [1d\]: q9
Justin9202 [18k\]: I think b might be unconditionally dead right
jussayin: just depends if w can manage s8 and p7 groups
yasi [1d\]: q9 then t2 b live
herissondu [4d\]: ooooh
herissondu [4d\]: this game looks fun
MaLa [3d\]: it is a trickmove
MaLa [3d\]: and i wouldn't expect it at that level
yasi [1d\]: yes very famous
MaLa [3d\]: because it is actually known to many
yasi [1d\]: if you know the answer
Justin9202 [18k\]: how so?
MaLa [3d\]: s10 now
yasi [1d\]: then yoo get advantage
xDragon [?\]: wouldnt expect trick moves at this stage
MaLa [3d\]: well, there is excatly one supersharp line for B to punish
MaLa [3d\]: but if he plays it...
MaLa [3d\]: w crumbles
]
;B[pk]C[yasi [1d\]: ha
yasi [1d\]:  he knows
blitztrain [2d\]: i was actually thinking of that move :D
MaLa [3d\]: this... isn't it
laduradura [8d\]: so than why w play it?
herissondu [4d\]: LOL
MaLa [3d\]: ask white
yasi [1d\]: w is gambling
laduradura [8d\]: thats the professional way..nice
xDragon [?\]: i guess he feels like he cant beat bill if they play a normal game
MaLa [3d\]: i've seen pros play trickjoseki as well ,)
jussayin: s10 was the move to refute
MaLa [3d\]: sometimes you just feel this is the moment
blitztrain [2d\]: what is the geta move here?
MaLa [3d\]: and it seems like B doesn't know it
MaLa [3d\]: so now W just has to find out, how to punish blacks mistake
]
;W[ok]C[blitztrain [2d\]: r10
Justin9202 [18k\]: should white extend at s10 or should he play elsewhere
herissondu [4d\]: awesome
jussayin: b should have used 20 minutes to find refutationment
DonValley [5d\]: this is the definition of yolo
blitztrain [2d\]: lol
PistolPete [6k?\]: LOL
xDragon [?\]: justin this is too complicated for non dans to understand
Justin9202 [18k\]: dont say that
xDragon [?\]: its true though
MaLa [3d\]: this is too hard for most dans to understand
Justin9202 [18k\]:  im sure if someone who wasnt dan read it long enough they can figure it out
blitztrain [2d\]: i didnt even see the geta which was threatening
flurpel [2d\]: wow im 3 and what is this
MaLa [3d\]: while i somehow know the mainline...
aristokrat [2d\]: some deep reading going on
MaLa [3d\]: i have no clue at all...
MaLa [3d\]: about those sidelines
]
;B[sr]C[herissondu [4d\]: awesome
Greytable: wow, who saw that?
xDragon [?\]: but justin im saying that as a kyu
xDragon [?\]: i have no clue whats going on
yasi [1d\]: clearly b knows it
herissondu [4d\]: t2 is a follow up of the trick
Justin9202 [18k\]: i have a small clue of whats going on
yasi [1d\]: q9add one lib 
herissondu [4d\]: i checked josekipedia, believe me
palapiku [-\]: does b realize he got tricked
yasi [1d\]: very famous trickmove
Redjoker [3d\]: guess w dies in the corner
jussayin: well q9 p9 result is unclear still
jussayin: ko at least?
yasi [1d\]: after q9 w dead
herissondu [4d\]: josekipedia says: good for b, w collapses
Justin9202 [18k\]: what if white hanes at q10?
jussayin: but only if b finds s10
herissondu [4d\]: w captures the 3 stones justin
MaLa [3d\]: josekipedia says it AFTER q9?
Justin9202 [18k\]: yes
Justin9202 [18k\]:  but would that pressure black at all
herissondu [4d\]: eh no mala
MaLa [3d\]: okay
herissondu [4d\]: but it's quite similar
MaLa [3d\]: but it is not the same
MaLa [3d\]: and this way...
yasi [1d\]: w gamble failed
MaLa [3d\]: b will suffer
herissondu [4d\]: because the 3 stones get captured either way
herissondu [4d\]: just add s10 r10 exchange
MaLa [3d\]: that is essential
blitztrain [2d\]: now r10 is actually possible?
blitztrain [2d\]: ah no
blitztrain [2d\]: sry nvm
death101 [1k\]: white dead
jussayin: ko
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: who plays a trick in pro qualifier >.<
TitanPupil [1k\]: haha
TitanPupil [1k\]: best players
]
;W[pj]
;B[sq]C[DrwsyClown [-\]: lol waitwut?
]
;W[qf]
;B[fq]C[jussayin: wow
]
;W[iq]C[maher139 [1k\]: b got a superior result
maher139 [1k\]: i think
Cos [3k?\]: they decided that it was time to play blitz
MaLa [3d\]: ...
SirEttin [1d\]: is b kgs 8d
TitanPupil [1k\]: lol bill
MaLa [3d\]: anticlimatic
DrwsyClown [-\]: not cconvinced b got a superior result
MoonCrest [-\]: locally superior but because of r16 it may be globally inferior, cept for the cat w can still be poked at
TitanPupil [1k\]: yes, sirettin
MoonCrest [-\]: fact*
death101 [1k\]: those were given moves
Cos [3k?\]: i like B here
jussayin: would be good to see a live stream of the game
maher139 [1k\]: mm
DrwsyClown [-\]: p9 is an amazingly strong group open to the center, early game that's worth gold usually
cyberimage [?\]: b position is so much better
maher139 [1k\]: yeah, didn't realize b had the r16 shimari, dunno who got out better globally
flurpel [2d\]: the corner is disgustingly big tho
MoonCrest [-\]: however b gets a large amount of points in exchange
MoonCrest [-\]: and w right side still pokeable
maher139 [1k\]: hmm
xDragon [?\]: id take b here
aristokrat [2d\]: b3
]
;B[dn]C[Cos [3k?\]: same, xDragon
MoonCrest [-\]: and its not that many points, especially since b has the shimari there is not much to pressure
sorpikurt [10k?\]: plus, corner is still open
MoonCrest [-\]: both corners. ;)
DrwsyClown [-\]: personally I'd take w just because I can try crazy stuff and hardly get punished, but b ahead
sorpikurt [10k?\]: to the center
xDragon [?\]: both of these players got into the loser bracket by losing to calvin sun
]
;W[fp]
;B[cq]
;W[eq]
;B[cp]C[jussayin: so can they become pro?
DrwsyClown [-\]: the one to win the tournament will
xDragon [?\]: and theyre still in the tournament so yes
]
;W[cf]C[secureid [5k\]: so r4 is dead right?
jussayin: its really hard to understand the format
DrwsyClown [-\]: the final is the winner of the loser's bracket vs the winner of the winner's bracket
]
;B[gq]C[DrwsyClown [-\]: so basically, you still have a chance if you lost
DrwsyClown [-\]: those two lost already tho, so they're struggling to make a come back
xDragon [?\]: w lost in round 1 but hsa won two games in the losers bracket to get to this point
flurpel [2d\]: it's just a double elim bracket
Justin9202 [18k\]: does the winner of the looser bracket face the winer of the winner's bracket
]
;W[gp]
;B[er]
;W[hq]
;B[dq]C[RobertT [-\]: yes
]
;W[mq]C[Justin9202 [18k\]: k
ElNino [1d?\]: m5
RobertT [-\]: the winner of this game faces the loser of game 1 to see who is winner of losers brackets
xDragon [?\]: loser of the board 1 best of 3
RobertT [-\]: well winner of the board 1 series
maher139 [1k\]: what happens to the winner of the loser brackets?
RobertT [-\]: ya
xDragon [?\]: they make the finals
maher139 [1k\]: ah
maher139 [1k\]: okay
Justin9202 [18k\]: too bad i didnt get a chance to sign up
]
;B[ic]C[Justin9202 [18k\]:  when are signup dates
Cos [3k?\]: ?
Justin9202 [18k\]: for pro tournament
RobertT [-\]: you qualify through tournaments
herissondu [4d\]: bill is funny
Justin9202 [18k\]: k
herissondu [4d\]: it's like he's saying "i don't care i don't caaaare"
xDragon [?\]: there was an online tournament to fill one spot in this
Justin9202 [18k\]: k
xDragon [?\]: but i think you had to be 4d+ to enter
Justin9202 [18k\]: well okay 
xDragon [?\]: and the winner was ryan li who has been 9d on kgs before
Justin9202 [18k\]:  i will get there
]
;W[oe]
;B[mc]C[xDragon [?\]: and he was eliminated from the tournament only winning once
xDragon [?\]: so yeah its not an easy road at all
RobertT [-\]: the majority of the players in this tournament are kgs 8d or 7d
]
;W[gc]C[RobertT [-\]: though online rating doesn't  mean much
]
;B[cj]C[pokkkk: fight please
xDragon [?\]: well all but 1 were aga/cga 7d and 8d too
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: aga 7d also isnt very telling
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: >.>
]
;W[le]C[RobertT [-\]: I mean being kgs 9d doesn't mean you are stronger than a kgs 8d in an otb tournament
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: otn 3 hours :P
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: otb*
RobertT [-\]: I've seen aga 5d make kgs 9d before. I've also seen aga 8d be kgs 6d
ElNino [1d?\]: all i know is that 9d is stronger than 8d
RobertT [-\]: online ranks doesn't mean much otb
]
;B[ie]C[yasi [1d\]: whats the diff between onkene and otb？
yasi [1d\]: online
DrwsyClown [-\]: I guess on the board
]
;W[jf]
;B[ge]C[Greytable: Does anyone know how many professionals there are worldwide/
Greytable: ?
RobertT [-\]: longer time settings, less destractions, more serious play.
ElNino [1d?\]: G15 bad shape
RobertT [-\]: alive, around 500-700
sorpikurt [10k?\]: because of h16? don't think that would hurt b that much
Greytable: Wow - professional also in the sense that they derive a living from the game/
ElNino [1d?\]: i will not give B pro based on G15 
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: why dont u like g15 O.o
xDragon [?\]: you keep talking like that but wont explain why you dont like it
sorpikurt [10k?\]: i guess because of w h16
yasi [1d\]: i will give everyone pro
sorpikurt [10k?\]: gimme a pro, please, yasi!
nanotech [2k\]: n6 so big for b
yasi [1d\]: yes you are pro
MaLa [3d\]: while gobots slowlys approach the human playstyle, it seems humans are coming closer and closer to chatbots kibitz...
sorpikurt [10k?\]: thank you. what's up, amateur ppl?
sorpikurt [10k?\]: word, MaLa :-D
tathan [5k?\]: give us a proverb!
]
;W[hd]C[sorpikurt [10k?\]: today's proverb is: if white plays h16, black can give up
xDragon [?\]: that timing
]
;B[je]C[forecast [4k\]: w l14 ofc
]
;W[ke]
;B[if]
;W[jg]C[StefanRadu [1d\]: is w BBW?
]
;B[dd]C[xDragon [?\]: no
xDragon [?\]: thats andy liu not andrew lu
StefanRadu [1d\]: close enough to ask
StefanRadu [1d\]: thanks
ElNino [1d?\]: li lu lin liu .... it hard for me 
xDragon [?\]: the losers bracket matchups this morning were li v lin and lu v liu
xDragon [?\]: lu vs lui*
yorugua [6k\]: Lu vs. Lui ;)
xDragon [?\]: yeah typo
yorugua [6k\]: ok
tathan [5k?\]: imagine a rengo-match...
]
;W[cc]C[palapiku [-\]: one of li, lin, lu, or lui may yet be able to challenge liu...
]
;B[ec]
;W[eb]C[sorpikurt [9k?\]: sounds like a fairy tale
xDragon [?\]: its too bad mremdash isnt strong enough to get in on this. his name is louie liu
xDragon [?\]: thatd just make it doubly fun
]
;B[ed]
;W[fb]
;B[cd]
;W[ef]
;B[gd]
;W[gf]
;B[hc]
;W[hh]
;B[kp]
;W[kq]C[ElNino [1d?\]: l4 good
]
;B[mn]
;W[nl]
;B[ll]C[Zucca [4d\]: b is comfortably ahead... he is probably going to win
ElNino [1d?\]: yes, b is leading
HighStoner [4k\]: n2
HighStoner [4k\]: maybe not yet
ElNino [1d?\]: l17
]
;W[lk]
;B[kl]
;W[kk]
;B[jl]
;W[dm]
;B[en]C[HighStoner [4k\]: now n2
sedgwick [?\]: m8 to k8 so patient, assuming black's judgement is good and this enugh, very impressive moves
]
;W[dk]
;B[bd]
;W[bb]
;B[ch]
;W[cg]
;B[eh]
;W[hf]
;B[he]
;W[fe]
;B[gb]
;W[fc]
;B[fd]C[croc [4d\]: seems close; b has a small advantage if at all
Argus [4k?\]: so is that botm right blac's or still unsettled?
buu [3d\]: ?
]
;W[ej]C[MaLa [3d\]: b's
]
;B[bl]
;W[di]
;B[dh]
;W[ci]
;B[bi]
;W[bj]
;B[bg]
;W[ai]
;B[bh]
;W[ck]
;B[ig]
;W[gh]
;B[bf]
;W[ih]
;B[rf]
;W[qg]
;B[rg]C[hobajons [-\]: not close
hobajons [-\]: b way up
Zucca [4d\]: w is dead in botm r
pupukani [2d\]: just a bit
]
;W[qc]
;B[rd]
;W[rh]C[Argus [4k?\]: i cnt b+5 or so
]
;B[pd]
;W[mr]
;B[nr]
;W[jp]
;B[jk]
;W[jj]
;B[ij]
;W[ji]
;B[cm]C[Argus [4k?\]: that ws big
]
;W[hk]
;B[hm]
;W[ik]
;B[ho]
;W[hp]
;B[jo]
;W[ko]
;B[kn]
;W[lp]C[xDragon [?\]: sun defeats gan in game 2, tiebreaker tomorrow morning
]
;B[ha]C[hobajons [-\]: gg sun
hobajons [-\]: the sun shines bright today
flurpel [2d\]: a18 is tesuji?
]
;W[ab]
;B[pf]C[hobajons [-\]: why is it tesuji when only move>
flurpel [2d\]: because i say so
DonValley [5d\]: a18 bad
maher139 [1k\]: it's tesuji because you need to read like 5 moves?
]
;W[pg]C[flurpel [2d\]: i meant it for black ok
]
;B[ne]C[sedgwick [?\]: why a18 instead of b17?
]
;W[nf]C[xDragon [?\]: well by definition, tesuji means best play in a local position
xDragon [?\]: so a18 could be
]
;B[me]
;W[mf]
;B[kd]
;W[ld]
;B[lc]C[hobajons [-\]: ok...
hobajons [-\]: or simple l and d?
]
;W[sg]C[flurpel [2d\]: yes
flurpel [2d\]: eye stealing tesuji is simple
xDragon [?\]: just because its not commonly used in a context doesnt mean it cant be used in a context
flurpel [2d\]: still tesuji
hobajons [-\]: ok 
hobajons [-\]: bic boi
flurpel [2d\]: hoba please
hobajons [-\]: flurpel how do you acheive the 2d?
shinkertif [1k\]: seems b win
]
;B[qe]C[hobajons [-\]: i feel like p16 then q17 later will hurt
flurpel [2d\]: im actually 2k do i dont know
]
;W[sf]
;B[re]C[croc [4d\]: amazing yose by b
Mysto [?\]: this is aga right?
xDragon [?\]: aga rules 7.5 komi
Peiling [3d\]: feels like B win 
Mysto [?\]: k thanks :)
sedgwick [?\]: w must q15
xDragon [?\]: apparently this is a single knockout game so the winner will face the loser of the sun/gan bo3
sedgwick [?\]: hmm, may be r13 not a threat:)
xDragon [?\]: and loser is out
MaLa [3d\]: it isnt
xDragon [?\]: xedover said it was
MaLa [3d\]: uh
MaLa [3d\]: wait...
]
;W[kc]
;B[jd]C[hobajons [-\]: uh oh
MaLa [3d\]: all bo1
hobajons [-\]: o17
nanotech [2k\]: Lu out Lin in....
MaLa [3d\]: in LB?
hobajons [-\]: o17!
croc [4d\]: this kind of yose assault is better than killing stones
]
;W[od]C[xDragon [?\]: id rather have yose like this than kill a big group honestly
croc [4d\]: and w is countering nicely as well
able [3k\]: o16?
maher139 [1k\]: big groups is a lot of stress
xDragon [?\]: i always get more stressed when theres a big dead group on the board
]
;B[qh]C[sedgwick [?\]: yes, anyway this cut now
sedgwick [?\]: get w t answer at q13 gain on the edge in yose later
]
;W[ph]C[yanyan [?\]: someone made a huge mistake
]
;B[nd]
;W[of]
;B[pc]
;W[ep]C[maher139 [1k\]: s10?
]
;B[io]C[croc [4d\]: b has S-10 to reduce
heinous [11k\]: schwarz
yanXiil: s10 t9 
maher139 [1k\]: s10 t9 r11 
HappyGuy [4d\]: why is this game still goin?
xDragon [?\]: because its an important tournament game and nobody wants to resign
Mysto [?\]: yea... seems W lost by a bit unless he plays something worth close to what... like 7-10 points?
yanyan [?\]: they're paid by the hour
Ripost [?\]: do they have unlimited time?
maher139 [1k\]: no
tas6466 [5k?\]: w has 7.5 komi... 
maher139 [1k\]: 90 mins main time each
MaLa [3d\]: the other game just showed, that resigning too early would be a huge mistake ,)
USGO2 [-\]: White resigns  Black wins
MaLa [3d\]: wow
MaLa [3d\]: :D
maher139 [1k\]: gg
MaLa [3d\]: so s6...
jussayin: BilLin \\o/
maher139 [1k\]: yeah, the other game people were wanting w  to resign by like move 50
HappyGuy [4d\]: lol just when i said it
xDragon [?\]: lu eliminated, lin waits for the loser of the gan/sun bo3 then. am i right usgo
hobajons [-\]: gg
MaLa [3d\]: tough to put your tourneylife on s6 ....
nanotech [2k\]: seems w is loosing for r3 exactly.......
ElNino [1d?\]: h2
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