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RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[5400]OT[5x40 byo-yomi]
GN[2nd AGA Pro Qualifiers - Calvin Sun vs Jianing Gan]PW[Calvin Sun]PB[Jianing Gan]WR[7d]BR[7d]DT[2014-01-05]EV[2nd AGA Professional Qualification Tournament]RO[4A-3]PC[The Hotel Normandie, Los Angeles CA]US[Andrew Jackson]C[USGO1 [-\]: Hello and welcome back to the AGA E-Journal's continuing coverage of the 2nd AGA Pro Qualifiers!
USGO1 [-\]: We are fifteen minutes away from the deciding third game between Calvin Sun & Gan Jianing
USGO1 [-\]: I'm Andrew Jackson and I'll be your game recorder this morning
embeck [4k\]: Thanks Andrew
USGO1 [-\]: As always, I won't be able to read chat messages or questions after the game starts, so please refer questions to this early text or to the website for the event
USGO1 [-\]: http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-results-2013
USGO1 [-\]: The players will have 1:30:00 with 5x0:40 byo yomi, AGA rules, yadda yadda
USGO1 [-\]: to answer the most frequent questions:  Calvin is 16, & Jianing is 17, so Jianing will use the white stones when they nigiri
USGO1 [-\]: There is no video feed available.
croc [4d\]: do they look nervous? :)
JeansebL [6d?\]: where can we find the schedule for the exhibition league
JeansebL [6d?\]: And what's the prize for that league ?
USGO1 [-\]: I saw Gan Jianing getting a giant breakfast sandwich this morning, so if his appetite is any indication, he's fine.
USGO1 [-\]: I don't know much about the exhibition league, i'm afraid.
JeansebL [6d?\]: hehe ok thank you
USGO1 [-\]: Your recorder would also like to make one stunning observation about the field:
USGO1 [-\]: Exactly none of the players -- none of them! -- have been drinking any kind of caffeinated beverage during the tournament
USGO1 [-\]: no coffee, no tea, no red bull
embeck [4k\]: interesting
JeansebL [6d?\]: is this a rule ?
USGO1 [-\]: no!
JesusTeAma [3k\]: I was about to ask the same thing :)
tathan [5k?\]: can you sometimes post the remaining time and when they reach byoyomi?
USGO1 [-\]: sometimes -- depends if i can see the clock from where i sit
hobajons [-\]: LOL
USGO1 [-\]: otherwise, i have to wait to hear the ing clock.
hobajons [-\]: i would expect calvin to have one knowing him
USGO1 [-\]: Anyway -- just imagine what these kids can do once they get on the bean.
JeansebL [6d?\]: The only thing that is lacking to this event is more pictures and videos. It's a shame there is no live feed for such an important event :(
JesusTeAma [3k\]: those istumulators at long time kills your real stamina 
hobajons [-\]: true but its nearing the final stretch
USGO1 [-\]: unfortunately, getting a net connection at a venue that's prepared to do live video is surprisingly hard.
oren [4k\]: pictures would be nice.  I don't care as much about live feed
JeansebL [6d?\]: yeah, I've had the same problem in the past
JeansebL [6d?\]: daily quality pictures on the website would be nice yeah
Rhodes553: Sorry, I'm new to KGS and watching tournaments. Am I supposed to be looking at a blank board right now?
USGO1 [-\]: So, the winner of this game will play Bill Lin; this is the only game in the pro league this morning
oren [4k\]: yes, it starts in 5 min or so
hobajons [-\]: wait
hobajons [-\]: i thought loser played bill
Rhodes553: Thanks, oren.
hobajons [-\]: because bill lost to calvin
embeck [4k\]: i think you are rigth hobajons
embeck [4k\]: right
JeansebL [6d?\]: yeah, should be loser
USGO1 [-\]: you're right!  my mistake
USGO1 [-\]: Ok, both players are here
USGO1 [-\]: Calvin is yawning & Gan is rubbing his eyes.
JeansebL [6d?\]: but it's still wierd, if gan only loses the final, he won't have a second chance (like other players. Seems unfair to me...
tas6466 [5k?\]: its best of 5...
hobajons [-\]: no he plays bill
hobajons [-\]: to get back to play calvin
hobajons [-\]: if he loses
hobajons [-\]: today
JeansebL [6d?\]: no
tas6466 [5k?\]: seems fair
JeansebL [6d?\]: I mean the real final at the end
USGO1 [-\]: if Gan faces someone who he's already beaten in the finals, they start at a 2-0 disadvantage in a set to 3
JeansebL [6d?\]: ohhhh
JeansebL [6d?\]: that is fair then :)
USGO1 [-\]: if he hasn't, they're in a squared off best of 3 (or 5 if the schedule & TD alllow)
XY0908 [-\]: Do you still have the beard, Andrew?
croc [4d\]: lions will yawn before the ambush, :)
USGO1 [-\]: O_O who are you
USGO1 [-\]: no, i shaved off my mutton chops before the show here.
hobajons [-\]: lol
XY0908 [-\]: :-)
tas6466 [5k?\]: how's google? :-)
JesusTeAma [3k\]: give 2-0 in advantage in  bo5 isn't too much ?
JesusTeAma [3k\]: normly they give only 1 
USGO1 [-\]: We start in 2 minutes!
USGO1 [-\]: I'll update the colors once they nigiri
USGO1 [-\]: Calvin guesses odd
USGO1 [-\]: it is
XY0908 [-\]: I live on the 14th and 8th Avenue, Andrew, a block from your office :-)
USGO1 [-\]: And he chooses white after checking with jeff
USGO1 [-\]: ok, we're starting!  See you at the end
XY0908 [-\]: And I think you for doing this for us greatly.
]RE[W+1.50]
;B[pd]C[XY0908 [-\]: thank*
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;W[dp]
;B[pq]
;W[cd]C[JeansebL [6d?\]: I still feel it's not entirely fair though. If he plays Bill in the final and loses, he doesn't get to go in the loser bracket, like everybody else. It's single elimination for him... Yes it's 3 out of 5, but so it is for Bill....
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;B[ec]C[tas6466 [5k?\]: you think they should have another 3 of of 5 in the final?
tas6466 [5k?\]: in that case?
JeansebL [6d?\]: I think double elimination to get only 1 winner is wrong
]
;W[po]C[Gansheng [1p\]: Agreed.
JeansebL [6d?\]: Hello Gansheng :)
JeansebL [6d?\]: Are you still in Korea ?
Gansheng [1p\]: Nope
]
;B[qo]C[JeansebL [6d?\]: Ah :( I liked those videos you made with baduk tv :p
]
;W[qn]C[Gansheng [1p\]: thanks
]
;B[qp]
;W[pm]C[JeansebL [6d?\]: Go Gan Jianing ! 
croc [4d\]: Gan's style is like Lee Changho
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;B[nq]
;W[qi]
;B[qg]
;W[oi]
;B[cn]C[basicpract [-\]: Seems like a typical opening pattern for both players so far. What is LCH about this opening?
Lsugyen [6d\]: go Calvin!
tas6466 [5k?\]: is p11 considered slow at this point?
iwin [2k\]: go clavin
Muttley [2k\]: not so easy to pick the w move here
gogonuts [5d\]: high stakes game - not the time for experiments
gogonuts [5d\]: guessing c9
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;W[cg]C[Muttley [2k\]: no, P11 is not considered "slow", w is thin and subject to R8 otherwise?
Lsugyen [6d\]: yes
gogonuts [5d\]: p11 is on the edge between slow and honte
]
;B[fq]C[Sandmann [5d\]: it's not necessary, but it's worth a move
olkky [1d\]: p11 is not absolutely necessary but its honte
snowman [-\]: you can choose p11 or choose not
kermit81 [12k?\]: Yes.  Go Calvin!
]
;W[dn]C[Muttley [2k\]: but if you don't P11, what are your stones on the right doing?
snowman [-\]: erasing black potential
reprisal [2d\]: not much, but they are outnumbered anyway
gogonuts [5d\]: suffering for the greater good :-)
Sandmann [5d\]: ^
reprisal [2d\]: that!
Muttley [2k\]: mmm, good point- depends what you could do with an alternative to P11
Muttley [2k\]: the fuseki feels better for b to me, slightly
liptos [4k\]: looks like a good time to tengen!
]
;B[dm]
;W[en]C[gogonuts [5d\]: both sides are not so important - chosing the attachment side was tough
herissondu [4d\]: c14/c5?
herissondu [4d\]: c4*
Sandmann [5d\]: surely white is good at endgame
]
;B[cp]C[gogonuts [5d\]: c3 c5 d2 ?
FirePrince [3d\]: naya you lose :o
sorpikurt [8k?\]: is e5 instead of d6 a lame idea when you cannot choose between sides?
herissondu [4d\]: eh d2 are you sure?
gogonuts [5d\]: quite possible
Sandmann [5d\]: is joseki
herissondu [4d\]: ah, i've never seen that
FirePrince [3d\]: naya you lost :O
tas6466 [5k?\]: c7?
herissondu [4d\]: josekipedia says d2 is a mistake
gogonuts [5d\]: c7 for c5 isnt good
Sandmann [5d\]: white is choosing from c5 and c3
herissondu [4d\]: liar
herissondu [4d\]: c3 seems better to me
Prodigious [-\]: i wouldn't trust josekipedia too much
Sandmann [5d\]: yes, rather trust kgs 5ds
Prodigious [-\]: indeed
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
]
;W[co]C[herissondu [4d\]: ^^
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;B[bo]
;W[do]
;B[bm]
;W[cq]
;B[bp]C[gogonuts [5d\]: w clearly not in experimental mood
tas6466 [5k?\]: too early for experiments maybe
herissondu [4d\]: i could believe you when you ere 6d sandmann, but now... :-)
Sandmann [5d\]: :(
]
;W[em]
;B[dl]C[herissondu [4d\]: something around g17 now?
DaedDragon [2k\]: What's next?
sablesac [2d?\]: top side looks big
meuns [1d\]: f3 is pain in the a**
]
;W[jq]C[liptos [4k\]: f3 quite lonely
herissondu [4d\]: f3 is light
herissondu [4d\]: k3 is far
DaedDragon [2k\]: had w tenukied, b d2 seemed nice
meuns [1d\]: agreed f3 is fine for b but painful for w
snowman [-\]: f3 lives with d2
meuns [1d\]: d2 ?
herissondu [4d\]: maybe h4 or something
meuns [1d\]: isee no connection
HolySmoke [1k\]: J4
snowman [-\]: no connection, but life
meuns [1d\]: h5 
herissondu [4d\]: or d14
]
;B[df]C[herissondu [4d\]: AH
meuns [1d\]: ohoh
DaedDragon [2k\]: nice call!
liptos [4k\]: heriss 7d
meuns [1d\]: b needs sente
tas6466 [5k?\]: e16?
]
;W[cf]C[meuns [1d\]: e16 is bloody
]
;B[cc]C[meuns [1d\]: c17 
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;W[bc]C[meuns [1d\]: comomon jojo
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;B[dd]
;W[ce]C[gogonuts [5d\]: b preferable, imo
meuns [1d\]: but w can enclose bottom and invade top latter
]
;B[jd]C[sedgwick [?\]: yes, I'd chose black also
DaedDragon [2k\]: if w h3, can f3 escape?
meuns [1d\]: wow
meuns [1d\]: unfinished
Sandmann [5d\]: I might have spend a few seconds considering c18 instead of c15
Sandmann [5d\]: spent
tas6466 [5k?\]: q18?
HolySmoke [1k\]: K16 " I am pro"
tas6466 [5k?\]: m17?
liptos [4k\]: b does look slgihtly favorable
gogonuts [5d\]: b still has the cut at d3, so w cant spend mjuch effort on f3
Konservas [1d\]: becouse its whites move now?:D black has one more move
meuns [1d\]: q17 
sablesac [2d?\]: black did get first move
billlin [8d\]: weird joseki choices hmm
meuns [1d\]: top is not this big
gogonuts [5d\]: top was bigger than othe places though
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;W[qc]C[DaedDragon [2k\]: double wing? 3-3!
liptos [4k\]: eh?
Mukti [4d\]: W seems quite Ok to me, he is playing a waiting game, amashi-like.
meuns [1d\]: what does mean amashi ?
fandel [1k\]: q2 or p2 would have been a better invasion tho
Sandmann [5d\]: this kind of player is annoying to deal with
gisel [3d\]: and Calvin is strong at yose, so this can be quite good for him
fandel [1k\]: or not?
liptos [4k\]: q2 and p2 attck strong group tho..?
Mukti [4d\]: It is som. like allowing the opponent to ake big points, taking solid territory and waiting for a chance
liptos [4k\]: top right b is weak
gogonuts [5d\]: amashi is whole board erasure without pressuri g the opponent, and sharing large points as w
meuns [1d\]: lee changho style
HolySmoke [1k\]: amashi is japanese noodle
Mukti [4d\]: Honinbo Shuwa excelled at it.
croc [4d\]: this will be a zzz game
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;B[pc]
;W[qd]
;B[pe]C[meuns [1d\]: c18 is becoming huge
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;W[qe]C[DrwsyClown [-\]: the fuseki feels old style a lot haha
DaedDragon [2k\]: no crazy fighting? :(
gisel [3d\]: c18 is by no means big at this point
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;B[qf]C[gogonuts [5d\]: an endgame conoisseur game
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;W[pb]C[herissondu [4d\]: f3 will get out soon
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;B[ob]C[gogonuts [5d\]: nn
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;W[qb]C[liptos [4k\]: congrats on promotion daed
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;B[nc]C[Hobbes [1k\]: p11 start shining
DaedDragon [2k\]: ty, ty... I am *so* proud!
]
;W[eq]C[HolySmoke [1k\]: b R8 soon
herissondu [4d\]: ah
DrwsyClown [-\]: e3 interesting
sablesac [2d?\]: was Shuwa the man who was like shusaku but for white?
Kemist [-\]: really patient
herissondu [4d\]: quite mmm
herissondu [4d\]: wierd
Mukti [4d\]: Whu weird?
DaedDragon [2k\]: w says: "I have komi; I win."?
snowman [-\]: shuwa was the honinbo of the shusaku's time
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;B[ip]C[goren2 [2k\]: shuwa was the best player
DrwsyClown [-\]: wow I was about to call it :S
Kemist [-\]: you're pro level
DrwsyClown [-\]: I was hesitating j3 and j4
gogonuts [5d\]: i thought b might just take c18
]
;W[iq]C[gogonuts [5d\]: but prefered to move f3
fandel [1k\]: huang longshi ---> showa
gogonuts [5d\]: J3 is no good here
Kemist [-\]: so classic influense vs territory game
gogonuts [5d\]: for b, i mean
herissondu [4d\]: b must h4
Mukti [4d\]: C18 is very big but it feels a bit slow to me as w is already alive and w can still incade the top.
DrwsyClown [-\]: yeah I thought j4 was natural, but I considered j3, havent read it tho
DaedDragon [2k\]: I'm thinking this fight will be the biggest thing for the next 30 moves...
liptos [4k\]: k4?
DaedDragon [2k\]: But, I'm a 2k, so I'm prob'ly wrong!
Mukti [4d\]: No sense in comparing Huang Lomgshi to huwa, fandel.They lived in diff. ages. Both were superb players.
Hobbes [1k\]: h3?
Kemist [-\]: g4 
gogonuts [5d\]: b got himself a problem here - ws stones are working now
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;B[hp]
;W[hq]C[sablesac [2d?\]: so peaceful
tas6466 [5k?\]: venomous snake?
DrwsyClown [-\]: I think b is playing heavy with h4
liptos [4k\]: is quite peaceful
gogonuts [5d\]: already heavy with J4 imo
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;B[gp]C[Mukti [4d\]: W very steady, accumulating points, putting the pressure on black.
]
;W[fr]C[reprisal [2d\]: perhpas j4 should be further away, maybe at k5?
sablesac [2d?\]: b just floating now, i like this w
gogonuts [5d\]: b would have been better off doing nothing
Hobbes [1k\]: m3.and hope?
sablesac [2d?\]: got himself a vulnerable group
]
;B[ko]C[fandel [1k\]: he can still treat this light its only 4 stones
DaedDragon [2k\]: I was imagining j7 instead of g4... does that make sense?
]
;W[cb]C[reprisal [2d\]: its not light
DrwsyClown [-\]: I don't know, I think j4 is important
gogonuts [5d\]: w wont take bits
liptos [4k\]: start a ko?
fandel [1k\]: this area was whites influence from start if he sacrifices the 4 stones for a greater good its still not bad
Hobbes [1k\]: j4-f3 are almost kikashi imo
gogonuts [5d\]: c18 was bs miai point to e3, imo
fandel [1k\]: since white is now so strong
DrwsyClown [-\]: but maybe b could jus ttrade the area for top solidification too
gogonuts [5d\]: w got both now
reprisal [2d\]: interesting, gogo
gogonuts [5d\]: so ws position is much improved
]
;B[pj]C[fandel [1k\]: hm
]
;W[pi]C[Muttley [2k\]: .. and that's why you play P11
sablesac [2d?\]: here we go
gogonuts [5d\]: suddenly bs position looks unbalanced
Hobbes [1k\]: is b nervous?
Muttley [2k\]: so you can connect to a peep later :)
gogonuts [5d\]: has right to be
fandel [1k\]: an invasion there strikes me as an overplay since blacks j 4 stones are still weak
sablesac [2d?\]: finally some action
Konservas [1d\]: fandel which invasion?
]
;B[re]
;W[rd]C[fandel [1k\]: r8
hume [4k\]: overplay for sure by b
Muttley [2k\]: fandel, playing a kikashi is hardly an invasion
Kemist [-\]: in b's eyes he surrounding w's group
sedgwick [?\]: b planning to use s13 sente
DrwsyClown [-\]: this feels wrong for b
DaedDragon [2k\]: huh -- yose?
fandel [1k\]: i know
Hobbes [1k\]: can't see b winning this game
tas6466 [5k?\]: is b... panicing?
DrwsyClown [-\]: too early hahaha
Wirtuoosi [4d?\]: not yose, maybe wants to get s13 or something like that in sente there, but that leads to bad shape
reprisal [2d\]: sucks to play it before you know which move you want for sure though
reprisal [2d\]: since s14 t14 s13  all valid continuations
hume [4k\]: q10 definitevely wrong
liptos [4k\]: solidify top, like H14?
DaedDragon [2k\]: so... the idea is to play in the corner, force s14, then s13 is sente?
Wirtuoosi [4d?\]: reprisal, true
]
;B[ql]C[Wirtuoosi [4d?\]: but you can leavi it
pwaldron [-\]: T13 also sente, makes S10 possible
DrwsyClown [-\]: q10 ok if you play a follow up right away
fandel [1k\]: is there a more severe way for white then just capture at d 17?
namaste [2d\]: b can cut
fandel [1k\]: can t see one tho
reprisal [2d\]: yeah im not sure what the meaning of s15/s16 exchange is
sablesac [2d?\]: d17 is strong though
reprisal [2d\]: but i'll give him the benefit of the doubt
gogonuts [5d\]: where is the w invasion point at the top? h16?
tas6466 [5k?\]: seems like a jealous move?
fandel [1k\]: hm thats the invasion i meantioned earlier
liptos [4k\]: h16 looks good
fandel [1k\]: is it an overplay or not ?
reprisal [2d\]: howabout j16?
DaedDragon [2k\]: if it were me, the q5 stones would be trembling
Konservas [1d\]: black wants to fight ;>
gogonuts [5d\]: J16 is for experts :-)
sablesac [2d?\]: j16 looks fun
Wirtuoosi [4d?\]: hmm.. too bad t13 isn't sente against corner
hume [4k\]: ddwasy, i agree now on q10
gogonuts [5d\]: but b can answer k17 - then its a little harrd to continue
hume [4k\]: what about r8?
tas6466 [5k?\]: can w just n6?
JF95 [3k\]: is s7 the move here?
reprisal [2d\]: hmm good point
fandel [1k\]: jf95 i believe it is
DrwsyClown [-\]: might sound weird, but why not start sabaki with m17
herissondu [4d\]: s7 should be the move
gogonuts [5d\]: s7 is normally the move, but b has s10+p10
reprisal [2d\]: b may just ignore m17 wholesale
Wirtuoosi [4d?\]: m17 would be too close to thickness and it would be on the smaller side
odnihs [5d\]: go calvinnn
Jimmy3d [-\]: We got your back >:D
fandel [1k\]: p8 instead of p10?
DrwsyClown [-\]: well yeah, but I meant m17 as a light move to help an invasion on the other side
reprisal [2d\]: yeah but if b just ignores it totally
tas6466 [5k?\]: p8 puts pressure on j4
reprisal [2d\]: how do you continue with it?
fandel [1k\]: m17 will be answered by k 17
DrwsyClown [-\]: just jump m15 :P
Drakemite [7d\]: Go calvin :D
gogonuts [5d\]: w m17, b k17 - thats not very light
fandel [1k\]: at this point all you managed to do is having a floating group
reprisal [2d\]: yeah even jumping to m15 you're still inside the framework
iwin [2k\]: calvin power
DrwsyClown [-\]: true its not light, but k17 is pretty much a concession to the invasion already
]
;W[pl]C[johnny2bad [1d\]: Q8 seems a wise compromise heer
johnny2bad [1d\]: heer*
]
;B[rn]C[reprisal [2d\]: m17 k17 m15 m13 the attack looks severe
]
;W[qk]C[fandel [1k\]: it greatly strengthens the e 17 stones too
]
;B[qm]C[yorugua [6k\]: I'll help...here*
]
;W[pn]C[gogonuts [5d\]: k17 makes the "real" invasion much harder
johnny2bad [1d\]: thanks
Wirtuoosi [4d?\]: m17 k17 trade makes it much more difficult for w to do anything about bigger side of moyo anymore afterwards
gogonuts [5d\]: proper w choice imo
liptos [4k\]: hmm m4 or n4 area critical point now
gogonuts [5d\]: pretty sure that w is happy with the game right now
meuns [1d\]: I SMELL STONGINESS
reprisal [2d\]: influence here helps atttaack l5 anyway
sablesac [2d?\]: w better get sente eh
reprisal [2d\]: so i think the local loss is not so bad
meuns [1d\]: top is a lure
DrwsyClown [-\]: play top as b right now imo
meuns [1d\]: will calvin becomes pro ?
tas6466 [5k?\]: we dont know :P
palapiku [-\]: no, jianing will
hume [4k\]: why not gan
fandel [1k\]: whats the tournament the compete in?
tas6466 [5k?\]: tuesday
gogonuts [5d\]: w c18 made tht top unsatisfying for b - w h16 is dangerous, b h16 is painful
yorugua [6k\]: pro qual
o1 [3k\]:  o5
fandel [1k\]: oh realy?
DaedDragon [2k\]: b just gained points in sente!  danger!
DrwsyClown [-\]: maybe h16
hume [4k\]: pro in waht league? nikonin?
yorugua [6k\]: North America
solgo [?\]: only 1 person becomes pro right?
yorugua [6k\]: yes
JeansebL [6d?\]: yeah...
fandel [1k\]: i heard next year there will be a pro league in europe too?
reprisal [2d\]: there can be only one
Falcon89 [4k\]: North American AGA pro tourny
tas6466 [5k?\]: just like highlander
gogonuts [5d\]: he must behead all the others
DaedDragon [2k\]: !!
Rhodes553: long decision time for b
yorugua [6k\]: and we are ttalking literally
oasthouse [-\]: B defend botton next?
meuns [1d\]: n5 easy connection
DrwsyClown [-\]: I think next move is at top
DaedDragon [2k\]: j17?
tas6466 [5k?\]: n5 leaves l4
palapiku [-\]: next move is tesuji
Rhodes553: r7 and 8 dead?
yorugua [6k\]: lol palapiku
gogonuts [5d\]: a tesuji that solves top and bottom at the same time :-)
fandel [1k\]: is g7 by black just playing bad?
meuns [1d\]: after n5 l4 is easy
meuns [1d\]: for b
Hobbes [1k\]: o9? meaningless?
sorpikurt [8k?\]: so it is gonna be an ear reddening one
DrwsyClown [-\]: maybe b can play higher, like j14, but I think he needs something more solid
meuns [1d\]: d18 for points
meuns [1d\]: w invades top next
meuns [1d\]: h16 ?
JeansebL [6d?\]: h9 is painful
DrwsyClown [-\]: that's why I think b needs to add a move, urgently
JeansebL [6d?\]: s9 almost sente...
DrwsyClown [-\]: at top
Rhodes553: b doesn't need to defend r7-8 on this move?
yorugua [6k\]: no
gogonuts [5d\]: d18 is a positive move, but hard to play against ws overall solid position
meuns [1d\]: sure d18 is tough
DrwsyClown [-\]: w s9 is gote, so is s7 after
gogonuts [5d\]: drowsy may be right - playh16 and wait for better times
JeansebL [6d?\]: right now yes, but not for long
liptos [4k\]: h16 good, but w threatens cut off j4 group?
JeansebL [6d?\]: it also affects the strenght of w's group
sedgwick [?\]: How about k14?
Rhodes553: yoruga, oh I see it now. Thanks.
Rhodes553: yorugua
DrwsyClown [-\]: I think k14 is too wide, that w can still do something at top, I may be wrong
gogonuts [5d\]: w has strong positions nearby, so i wouldnt emphasise expandind
DrwsyClown [-\]: h16 seemed right to me for b
KABC [3d\]: is this the final?
yorugua [6k\]: kinda
tas6466 [5k?\]: d15?
yorugua [6k\]: it's double elim
palapiku [-\]: no KABC
DrwsyClown [-\]: nope, semi final of WB
yorugua [6k\]: so loser play Bill Lin
Murmures [7k?\]: m4 
KABC [3d\]: ok
JeansebL [6d?\]: this w group is the last one that's not 100% alive, b is clearly tempted to attack it ...
iwin [2k\]: whoever loses this still has a chance
KABC [3d\]: go Cal!
tomo1989 [6k\]: k8?
palapiku [-\]: this is final of WB :)
Redjoker [3d\]: this looks like pro game
Falcon89 [4k\]: WB?
JeansebL [6d?\]: but it's very possible that it's too slow...
palapiku [-\]: winners' bracket
DrwsyClown [-\]: how do you picture an attack on it :P true it's not 100% alive, but it's too early to have a proper attack, needs preparation
liptos [4k\]: warner bros
HolySmoke [1k\]: Go Canada Go
Falcon89 [4k\]: haha  thx
JeansebL [6d?\]: attack does not mean kill
DrwsyClown [-\]: I know that
JeansebL [6d?\]: it mean not giving an easy life
DrwsyClown [-\]: I think spending a gote while you already dont have sente is not an easy life
fandel [1k\]: i d prefer the kill lol
kolayn112 [2k\]: l8
HolySmoke [1k\]: Q9 Kill
JeansebL [6d?\]: lol
JeansebL [6d?\]: q9,s9
gogonuts [5d\]: q9, just to see ws face
JeansebL [6d?\]: lol
Lesmian [1d\]: :)
Falcon89 [4k\]: I know this is bo3 btw Gan and Sun, whoever wins this 3rd game goes to the semi-final
palapiku [-\]: whoever wins this goes to the final
sablesac [2d?\]: this is the semifinal
BOThater36 [4d\]: hello, gogo uts
JeansebL [6d?\]: j4 is probab;y not strong enogn to attack
Konservas [1d\]: for kyus its strong enough
Falcon89 [4k\]: oh  ok, playing with who?    .. Bill?
fandel [1k\]: can someone links the homepage of the amarican go association?
embeck [4k\]: usgo.org
hume [4k\]: to me, b has  more weak points
solgo [?\]: www.usgo.org
palapiku [-\]: playing with the winner of the match between bill and whoever loses this game
fandel [1k\]: ty
chagi [2k?\]: P13 ?
JeansebL [6d?\]: m3 is bigger than it looks...
JeansebL [6d?\]: for black
Falcon89 [4k\]: thx  palapiku
meuns [1d\]: b m3 can be cut
f1230 [7d\]: m3 quite small in my opinion
DrwsyClown [-\]: maybe k15 :P looks silly, but I think it's a bit bigger than h16
f1230 [7d\]: even if white cut at m4 after black j7/j8 its not that easy to attack
JeansebL [6d?\]: anything that connects those stones and make them strong is big according to me
Javaness [2d\]: There is no y in team
palapiku [-\]: note that if bill loses and these two meet again in the final, the loser of this match would have to win two games in a row, while the winner of this match would just need to win once
sablesac [2d?\]: there are "m" and "e"
f1230 [7d\]: just connecting the stones is most likely too slow
BOThater36 [4d\]: I was in tournament site yesterday
DrwsyClown [-\]: nice trolling :P
f1230 [7d\]: right now Q14 get captured by P13 geta but big aji there
JeansebL [6d?\]: we discussed this earlier, but anybody think it's plain wrong to use double elimination to determine only 1 pro ?
palapiku [-\]: i do
flurpel [2d\]: the way the double elim is set up is just terrible
Falcon89 [4k\]: good to know that, palapiku
MaLa [3d\]: double elim is fine, extended series is not
flurpel [2d\]: if calvin lost the last game then won the losers bracket
flurpel [2d\]: yeah the stupid extended series
reprisal [2d\]: yeah double elim is good
JeansebL [6d?\]: how ia it fine ?
JeansebL [6d?\]: is*
MaLa [3d\]: normal deouble elim is perfectly fsir
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;B[fg]C[flurpel [2d\]: how is double elim not a fair system?
iwin [2k\]: oho
MaLa [3d\]: lose twice, you are out
meuns [1d\]: ?!!!
MaLa [3d\]: but this gridluck
SIkachnak [?\]: invitation kinda
palapiku [-\]: i don't believe anyone suggested this move
DrwsyClown [-\]: hmmm
MaLa [3d\]: with extended series is a mess
JeansebL [6d?\]: if gan wins everythin but loses the final, he gets single eliminated, how is that fair ?
tas6466 [5k?\]: reminds me of yesterday...
iwin [2k\]: taunt
DrwsyClown [-\]: it is an invitation to invade right here
meuns [1d\]: h16 gone
DrwsyClown [-\]: but
MaLa [3d\]: normal double elim has a winners advantge in grnadfinal
MaLa [3d\]: ,)
DrwsyClown [-\]: that's tough fight
reprisal [2d\]: jean, that's not part of normal double elim
MaLa [3d\]: so he would start a BO5 with 1-0
Javaness [2d\]: nobody said life was fair
tas6466 [5k?\]: i thought it was 2-0?
gogonuts [5d\]: hello hater
JeansebL [6d?\]: this should clearly have been a round robin...
flurpel [2d\]: no that would be ridiculous
Hobbes [1k\]: I do prefer chess old stile qualification tournaments&matches
BOThater36 [4d\]: wow, that is a late response, gogo
fandel [1k\]: i think its to conftable to take d17 in sente then reduce if you have in mind the cut of q14
dogbert [4d\]: b took quite some time to play this move
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;W[gc]C[MaLa [3d\]: round robin leads to meaningless matches
BOThater36 [4d\]: how deep!
iwin [2k\]: oh boy
DrwsyClown [-\]: oh boy
gogonuts [5d\]: F13 is a fishy move
MaLa [3d\]: which is a big problem
hume [4k\]: fishy?
palapiku [-\]: jeansebl, if gan literally won everything (if he won this semifinal 2-0), then in the final he would only need to win once, while his opponent would need to win three times in a row
gogonuts [5d\]: fishy in murky waters
iwin [2k\]: taunt successful
palapiku [-\]: that makes it somewhat fair
dogbert [4d\]: F13 is ear blue move, lmao
JeansebL [6d?\]: not meaningless, it's better to chose who's seeded for next year
MaLa [3d\]: no pala, if bill advances to the grandfinal
hume [4k\]: i see
MaLa [3d\]: it would be a normal bo3
DrwsyClown [-\]: maybe just j17
MaLa [3d\]: between gan and him
BOThater36 [4d\]: if double elim is not good system, just suggest one with limit resource and playing days
oasthouse [-\]: f13 not as f15hy as f15
palapiku [-\]: true
MaLa [3d\]: and then gan would be at a disadvantage
MaLa [3d\]: systemwise
gogonuts [5d\]: double knockout is a nice system
fandel [1k\]: e 18 connects up`?
]
;B[ic]C[JeansebL [6d?\]: double elimination is great for 2 winners
gogonuts [5d\]: but "remembering" loses isnt a goog idea
MaLa [3d\]: also great for one winner :)
BOThater36 [4d\]: Just want you to know I use to give Calvin a handful of stones
palapiku [-\]: but yeah whatever the merits and drawbacks of double elim are, i believe the system is only in place because last year there were two winners
MaLa [3d\]: during nigiri?
palapiku [-\]: and this year they just kept the old system
]
;W[fc]C[gogonuts [5d\]: you played him when he was 6?
JeansebL [6d?\]: you still haven't told me how it's fair for gan to get single eliminated because he wins everything...
BOThater36 [4d\]: 5, gogo
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
palapiku [-\]: :3
MaLa [3d\]: and i told you, that usually double elim ahs a 1-0 advantage
BOThater36 [4d\]: when Calvin is 10, he gave me 4 stones
MaLa [3d\]: in grandfinal
tas6466 [5k?\]: gives him a game won in the final... which is fair
BOThater36 [4d\]: Calvin is currently lised as member of my Go club
fandel [1k\]: f 17 is brilliant
JeansebL [6d?\]: how does that make sense ? he hasn't even play his opponent :p
DrwsyClown [-\]: d17?
JeansebL [6d?\]: played*
MaLa [3d\]: but he has never lost
MaLa [3d\]: while his opponent did
gogonuts [5d\]: i played him once in my life, when he was about 10, i lost
MaLa [3d\]: ;)
Hobbes [1k\]: can't see why go community↨keep experimenting weird tournaments settings
JeansebL [6d?\]: so what, it's different paths in the tree, they never met
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;B[db]C[MaLa [3d\]: double elim (with and without extended series) is nothing strange
DrwsyClown [-\]: just win all the games, not complicated
palapiku [-\]: they are experimenting because last year they had two winners so they used double elim
gogonuts [5d\]: it was in the fianl of a  little tournament i got invited to
Hobbes [1k\]: round robin->the winner is the best...simple
palapiku [-\]: this year they just kept it
BOThater36 [4d\]: what tournament, gogo
flurpel [2d\]: last year they wanted 2 winners
flurpel [2d\]: err l2 years ago
YellowBell [-\]: go gan \\o/
tas6466 [5k?\]: oh man
JeansebL [6d?\]: defintely hobbes
MaLa [3d\]: round robin -> the last rounds may have players without any motivation to win screwing the scores
gogonuts [5d\]: my, memory - some santa barbara tourn
JeansebL [6d?\]: no Mala
Nathan [2d\]: does gan jianing have a kgs account?
JeansebL [6d?\]: they want to be seeded
BOThater36 [4d\]: arr
MaLa [3d\]: with 8 players...
Hobbes [1k\]: exactly
MaLa [3d\]: there are enough players without chance
MaLa [3d\]: after round 4-5
MaLa [3d\]: even to get to the seeds
MaLa [3d\]: ...
tas6466 [5k?\]: can Calvin lose the ko?
reprisal [2d\]: yeah hard to bother playing for 6th seed when breakers matter as much as your play anyway
SIkachnak [?\]: b more threats
fandel [1k\]: black can t realy afford this ko can he? i mean with his weak stones at l5?!
gogonuts [5d\]: in the first round i beat the strongest players by sheer luck, it was a chinese student
JeansebL [6d?\]: yeah so what ? they can only do something if they play together, and if they do, it does nothing...
gogonuts [5d\]: but lost to 10 year old calvin ...
MaLa [3d\]: when two players with 1 loss meet different opponents in the last round... one meets a guy that has something to play for..
reprisal [2d\]: anyway this game just got sweet
MaLa [3d\]: and one a guy already eliminated
reprisal [2d\]: look at this ko!
tas6466 [5k?\]: i don't see how b has more threats
SIkachnak [?\]: upper right 4
MaLa [3d\]: it is quite clear who will have the harder games, no matter their opponents strnegth
hume [4k\]: very bad for b imho
SIkachnak [?\]: g2 and etc 3 (4)
evave [4k\]: i thik b has 4-5 serious threats .. w has more
evave [4k\]: cudnt b not ko ?
reprisal [2d\]: not really
tas6466 [5k?\]: i think b has to ko
reprisal [2d\]: if b refused to fight any ko then w connects and f13 is useless
hume [4k\]: he chose yo
hume [4k\]: he chose to take it, so...
fandel [1k\]: would you ignore q 14 as a ko threat here?
palapiku [-\]: what is w thinking about
tas6466 [5k?\]: i think i would threaten to get out or live before q14
USGO1 [-\]: w, 1 hr remains
palapiku [-\]: just take..
USGO1 [-\]: b, 40:00, gan's slowest pace so far.
namaste [2d\]: maybe e16
MaLa [3d\]: actually... i like the system the EGF is using now in their protourney... but im not sure how they pair the later rounds exactly... so there may be issues...
tas6466 [5k?\]: counting ko thearts?
JeansebL [6d?\]: takes guts to play like that in such an important match....
flurpel [2d\]: wait there's an EGF pro tourney?
flurpel [2d\]: when was that announce
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;W[dc]C[MaLa [3d\]: there is
MaLa [3d\]: announced last year
MaLa [3d\]: happens this year
flurpel [2d\]: weird i never heard about it
BOThater36 [4d\]: are these games also being broadcasted in Tygem?
Hobbes [1k\]: no
MaLa [3d\]: actually, there are 3 tourneys...
BOThater36 [4d\]: why? They are the sponsor?
Sandmann [5d\]: you will hear a lot about it the next days
MaLa [3d\]: but they are continous
palapiku [-\]: ko!!
Hobbes [1k\]: nice call palapiku:-))
MaLa [3d\]: ofc sandmann has to know, guess you are part of vienna tourney ^^
BOThater36 [4d\]: about what, Sand?
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
kwx [6k\]: why cant b just e18?
flurpel [2d\]: e16
flurpel [2d\]: still a ko
kwx [6k\]: e16 f16
Sandmann [5d\]: I am the vienna tourney
MaLa [3d\]: :D
JeansebL [6d?\]: lol
Pingu007 [3d\]: does someone knows where wil be the usgc this year pls?
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;B[rk]C[flurpel [2d\]: does each tourney crown a pro sandmann?
JeansebL [6d?\]: ah finally s9 :)
MaLa [3d\]: nope
MaLa [3d\]: only the final one
flurpel [2d\]: there are three qualifies?
tas6466 [5k?\]: i don't think thats a threat
flurpel [2d\]: mk
BOThater36 [4d\]: New York, Ping
MaLa [3d\]: continous tourneys
palapiku [-\]: what does this threaten
Sandmann [5d\]: there will be 2 pros by the end of june
flurpel [2d\]: thx mr sand
Lsugyen [6d\]: w must not answer to this
JeansebL [6d?\]: my cash is on Ilya :p
Hobbes [1k\]: I push for antti
Pingu007 [3d\]: wow! thx.
MaLa [3d\]: http://www.gostrasbourg.fr/systeme-pro/
MaLa [3d\]: here is an explenation
MaLa [3d\]: a short one
namaste [2d\]: pavol and viktor best
tas6466 [5k?\]: oh maybe takes care of r14 group?
MaLa [3d\]: use google translate
fandel [1k\]: i think maybe in seong if he goes for it
MaLa [3d\]: he isnt european
herissondu [4d\]: e126 is reaaaally big
MaLa [3d\]: ...
herissondu [4d\]: e16*
Wirtuoosi [4d?\]: Antti probably will be insei again this year so he probably won't be in those tourneys
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;W[rm]C[fandel [1k\]: oh so thats a necesity?
Hobbes [1k\]: pavol is super strong but i prefer antti
]
;B[rl]
;W[ed]C[MaLa [3d\]: to become a european pro...
tas6466 [5k?\]: oh man
MaLa [3d\]: you may have to be european
MaLa [3d\]: yeah... surprising, isnt it
Javaness [2d\]: Having 3 stages to the tournament is a good way to price out potential pros
fandel [1k\]: its not urgent to be asian to ne promoted to pro there so why is it a case in europe?
Roosta [1k\]: I don't understand... what did s7 accomplish?
gogonuts [5d\]: nice s7
herissondu [4d\]: lol i don't know
iwin [2k\]: calvin the god
BOThater36 [4d\]: Southren California Championship  Feb 8-9 2014
gogonuts [5d\]: after b captures r9 its too late for s7
tas6466 [5k?\]: maybe aji for the corner?
MaLa [3d\]: erm, i guess you don't know the rules for the asian pros...
palapiku [-\]: i don't understand
MaLa [3d\]: and US also usses a NA only rule
MaLa [3d\]: that's why zchen cant participate
palapiku [-\]: so b move wasn't a threat at all? how come?
BOThater36 [4d\]: what is the meaning of S7?
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;B[mj]C[tymak [1k\]: because in europe want to have first pro generation recrtuted from european player, not from unsuccesfull chinese or korean insei
MaLa [3d\]: completely reasonable not to make the western prosystem just a stepstone for exinsei ^^
oasthouse [-\]: s7 just timing
herissondu [4d\]: wow
BOThater36 [4d\]: timing? no way
oasthouse [-\]: if b q9 then too late for s7
palapiku [-\]: b knows he lost the ko so he just gives up?
herissondu [4d\]: i can't understand their games
flurpel [2d\]: that's pretty nice move imo
tas6466 [5k?\]: i wonder why not s8
gogonuts [5d\]: s7 expected b to capture r9
gogonuts [5d\]: which b didnt do now
herissondu [4d\]: want to attack this group maybe
oasthouse [-\]: gogonuts said it
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;W[nh]C[croc [4d\]: b far behind, :(
flurpel [2d\]: how far
BOThater36 [4d\]: I believe what gog  says, but I dont believe waht u said, oas, lol
meuns [1d\]: 10+
oasthouse [-\]: I meant same thing BO :)
gogonuts [5d\]: so now hater is in a pinch
Goprince [5d\]: o12 aims at q14 cut but... s13 saves in sooo...
tas6466 [5k?\]: worried about q6 group now...
Goprince [5d\]: i nsente*
gogonuts [5d\]: o12 is also admirable
]
;B[rg]C[herissondu [4d\]: ooo
oasthouse [-\]: b position in tatters imho
gogonuts [5d\]: i think calvin is going through
flurpel [2d\]: yay
BOThater36 [4d\]: If one day Calvin becomes legend, I am proud to say I am his mentor
kikikik: d10 
flurpel [2d\]: if he becomes legend
]
;W[sb]C[flurpel [2d\]: i'm proud to say i beat him even
flurpel [2d\]: :\]
ewfrwwt: Should white play for the safety of the top right group?
ewfrwwt: nvm
Goprince [5d\]: ofc
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;B[oj]C[dogbert [4d\]: I would use g2 instead of s9 as threat
meuns [1d\]: blood !
hume [4k\]: alas, b can still stick
oasthouse [-\]: b needs decisive attack on this w group to get bck
croc [4d\]: b has to try O-11
palapiku [-\]: looks quite decisive to me..
gogonuts [5d\]: b o11 next?
namaste [2d\]: r10
namaste [2d\]: connect
]
;W[qj]C[MaLa [3d\]: he is certainly not maing it easy...
]
;B[ni]C[MaLa [3d\]: *making
BlackSmurf [1d\]: when he was 6 flurpel?
woodrose [1d\]: i like b
SIkachnak [?\]: cunning plan
SIkachnak [?\]: ....
Goprince [5d\]: like a boss
woodrose [1d\]: killer style
palapiku [-\]: oppa
meuns [1d\]: seems very alive
woodrose [1d\]: yeah so many eyes
woodrose [1d\]: ..
Goprince [5d\]: whereÉ
palapiku [-\]: it'll live, but AT WHAT COST!?
MaLa [3d\]: most kibitzers have 2
namaste [2d\]: t10 for b connection if w cut q14
Goprince [5d\]: even if w lives b big top
Hobbes [1k\]: s13 still monkey connected isn't it?
gogonuts [5d\]: cut at q14 doesnt hurt b, so w cant play p13 now
meuns [1d\]: lot of weakness
herissondu [4d\]: go go go gan
hobajons [-\]: no
hobajons [-\]: go CALVIN
snowman [-\]: where you got those eyes
BOThater36 [4d\]: go4, Calvin
oasthouse [-\]: q9
Goprince [5d\]: w crying
meuns [1d\]: arond my nose
Hobbes [1k\]: around?
gogonuts [5d\]: maybe pondering on n11 before q9
meuns [1d\]: euronde
Goprince [5d\]: i tihnk p13 here is proper
tas6466 [5k?\]: same
TitanPupil [1k\]: but then w would be split
hobajons [-\]: p13 is so bad lol
TitanPupil [1k\]: its tough for w here
hobajons [-\]: w has to connect
Goprince [5d\]: no choice bu to sacrifice
Goprince [5d\]: still m4
TitanPupil [1k\]: the choice is which to give b
hobajons [-\]: he will connect
billlin [8d\]: now we see why s7 is bad lol
germgo [-\]: too big to sacrifice
tas6466 [5k?\]: w connect and try to have more libs?
Goprince [5d\]: if w q9 b cuts o12 top become huge and w still very weak
hobajons [-\]: he has to connect
Goprince [5d\]: its nota lib race no need for libs
hobajons [-\]: no matter what
woodrose [1d\]: w isnt even sure to live with q11 alone
Goprince [5d\]: nop cant connect
gogonuts [5d\]: w will handle this, but n10 was pretty awesome
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;W[og]C[Goprince [5d\]: :p
TitanPupil [1k\]: :o
gogonuts [5d\]: wow
RiFLoK [5k\]: now q9?
]
;B[pk]C[Goprince [5d\]: has to
]
;W[pf]C[SIkachnak [?\]: w believes in good and bad shapes
gogonuts [5d\]: this is for beeings on a higher plane to understand
]
;B[sj]C[billlin [8d\]: s7 so bad
Goprince [5d\]: yea
Hobbes [1k\]: w believes in good groups heaven
hobajons [-\]: poor calvin
Roosta [1k\]: would s8 instead have stopped this?
DonValley [5d\]: did s7 have any benefits
billlin [8d\]: nope
snowman [-\]: nope
palapiku [-\]: it won w the ko...
DonValley [5d\]: lel
meuns [1d\]: are you dumb hobajons ?
Gansheng [1p\]: T18 should be at T15
Goprince [5d\]: didnt need to pla s7 to win ko
billlin [8d\]: yeah
hobajons [-\]: meuns do u want to play?
meuns [1d\]: dumb
gogonuts [5d\]: its incredible how s7 made this possible
]
;W[ld]C[YellowBell [-\]: :| no insults please :D
MaLa [3d\]: no time for regrets
hobajons [-\]: yes pls
YellowBell [-\]: hiya bill
onerabbit [2k\]: gogonuts, would you elaborate a bit? Im curious
gogonuts [5d\]: but its the rare case where i would rather say n10 is great than s7 is stupid
MaLa [3d\]: has to fight on
Goprince [5d\]: instant n15
backpack1 [2d\]: s7 was like the worst move ever
palapiku [-\]: :)
MaLa [3d\]: in hindsight
MaLa [3d\]: surely
Hobbes [1k\]: m17?
Goprince [5d\]: lol ive seen and played so much worse...
MaLa [3d\]: without it...
f1230 [7d\]: billin
Goprince [5d\]: than s7
onerabbit [2k\]: i just joined the game, so it's hard to see where it figured in the flow
gogonuts [5d\]: i think p13 was the real damage
f1230 [7d\]: ur powerblitz style is stronger then ur offline style:)
f1230 [7d\]: use your power later~
reprisal [2d\]: because blitz is op
gogonuts [5d\]: heaven knows why he didnt connect at q9
herissondu [4d\]: w lost
Bellicose [9k?\]: i wish we could rewind and fast forward the game
oasthouse [-\]: not yet
MaLa [3d\]: ppl said that yesterday about calvin
MaLa [3d\]: we know what happened
yorugua [6k\]: clone it Bellicose
gogonuts [5d\]: you can
meuns [1d\]: tough game
yunoo: well, connecting groups is important
gogonuts [5d\]: view local
tas6466 [5k?\]: i think gan and calvin are both awesome players that have given us a couple great games
hobajons [-\]: n15?
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;B[lc]C[jodageezer [7k?\]: Clone it and you can rewind to your heart's content.
Hobbes [1k\]: :-)
]
;W[nd]C[reprisal [2d\]: w losing attack on l5 really sucks
Goprince [5d\]: wow so submissive
keisukekun [2d?\]: not sure about n15 i think white would be happy to jump out at m12
meuns [1d\]: p15
meuns [1d\]: for shape
Hobbes [1k\]: still attacking actually
gogonuts [5d\]: i have trouble believing my eyes, looking at this position
Gansheng [1p\]: O15
oasthouse [-\]: I didn't see o11 double threat ahead of time
Backflash [?\]: what is q7?
tinca [-\]: especially what oart gogonuts?
DrwsyClown [-\]: o14
tinca [-\]: part
gogonuts [5d\]: what happend to the fine w position
tinca [-\]: q7?
palapiku [-\]: is w preparing an attack on O10 by any chance
dogbert [4d\]: isn't b too passive?
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;B[md]
;W[me]
;B[mc]C[hume [4k\]: w lost imho
Roosta [1k\]: w doesn't have a position to attack o10, with weak groups on both sides
snowman [-\]: if he gets m3, it's all over
Hobbes [1k\]: ok this was passive
Goprince [5d\]: w is ahead imo
meuns [1d\]: b is patient 
TitanPupil [1k\]: w just has to live both groups
yorugua [6k\]: lol Goprince
tinca [-\]: the end is still far away
gogonuts [5d\]: w still has a chance, but thats a long way down from probable winner
wxhyhf1995 [1d\]: From the begining, W o12 was an unncessary tough move. should play safe. Gave B a chance to fight back. 
Backflash [?\]: w just have to live, yeaaa
DrwsyClown [-\]: b musnt be too patient, or w will live on both side
hobajons [-\]: i think calvin will live q5
Hobbes [1k\]: p15.now?
TitanPupil [1k\]: wxhyhf1995, i think then b would have a chance to moyo while w floating
midorisuke [3d\]: living q5 isn't up to w at this point
f1230 [7d\]: where can there be a possible moyo
hobajons [-\]: tbh if w does something around m4 he can sack the q5 group and attack the j4 group
midorisuke [3d\]: it's whether or not b gets a chance to add one move or not
kentia [1d\]: m12
gogonuts [5d\]: maybe n4
TitanPupil [1k\]: f1230 i was responding to wxhyhf1995's comment; did you read it?
rogeko [2k\]: q6 was a big loss
wxhyhf1995 [1d\]: W P10 already alive, Titan
palapiku [-\]: q6 was a big loss but w got upper left
f1230 [7d\]: aha i see, thxz
Backflash [?\]: wouldnt n4 burry w even more?
yunoo: o9?
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;W[mm]C[TitanPupil [1k\]: yeah wxhyhf1995, but not completely later
TitanPupil [1k\]: oo~
onerabbit [2k\]: yay!
palapiku [-\]: omg
midorisuke [3d\]: so confident
tas6466 [5k?\]: all the things
palapiku [-\]: i was right :)
herissondu [4d\]: ahah
gogonuts [5d\]: this is so apinful
herissondu [4d\]: KIIIILLLL
gogonuts [5d\]: pain :-)
yunoo: hm, would start with o9 prob
Hobbes [1k\]: regretting a trade is bad manner:-)
Backflash [?\]: desperation dodge is best dodge
backpack1 [2d\]: living with 2 weak groups 101
midorisuke [3d\]: o9 not the best
]
;B[mo]C[midorisuke [3d\]: you might want to atari other side
palapiku [-\]: go jianing
gogonuts [5d\]: there goes n4
TitanPupil [1k\]: go calvin
yunoo: true
Baldanders [4k\]: it's going to take more than the 101 level class for calvin to live with both  groups...
gogonuts [5d\]: only w has problems now
]
;W[nk]
;B[nj]C[midorisuke [3d\]: and man, does w have problems
]
;W[km]C[midorisuke [3d\]: one of these better die
snowman [-\]: two groups to live
meuns [1d\]: kgd style
gogonuts [5d\]: i think he wont die anywhere though
oasthouse [-\]: w can still win
midorisuke [3d\]: if nothing dies i want my money back
Tollpatsch [1d\]: white to kill q9:)
Hobbes [1k\]: i didn't like n5
herissondu [4d\]: w will resign
tas6466 [5k?\]: lol like you paid anything?
gogonuts [5d\]: w has a lot of point fat for the winter ahead
tinca [-\]: here you are :-)
oasthouse [-\]: w has lots of cash, and b has some weaknesses too
rogeko [2k\]: m13
reprisal [2d\]: but its going to be a long winter
Hobbes [1k\]: anyone did prefer m8 over n5?
midorisuke [3d\]: b going hunting for polar bears
Luffyy [3d\]: it isn't that easy for b to kill one of these groups
yunoo: m12?
HolySmoke [1k\]: b is too thin to kill anything
palapiku [-\]: just three moves ago all the high dans were saying Q5 was firmly dead...
Hobbes [1k\]: h8?
onerabbit [2k\]: three moves is lots yo
reprisal [2d\]: yeah thats like pro level reading
gogonuts [5d\]: dont remind us
midorisuke [3d\]: i said it was dead if b added a move
tas6466 [5k?\]: every move is a different game
whalian [10k?\]: They are 7d after all
onerabbit [2k\]: anyone know these players' online ranks?
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;B[hm]C[yorugua [6k\]: 7d/8d
palapiku [-\]: 8-9d kgs
Backflash [?\]: q5 is still dead sint it? for now at least
onerabbit [2k\]: thx ^^
midorisuke [3d\]: l9 is a pretty nice point
Hobbes [1k\]: close call
gogonuts [5d\]: not having 2 eyes is not the same as dead
]
;W[pp]C[backpack1 [2d\]: h7 is a little soft
herissondu [4d\]: b will easily separate and kill
tas6466 [5k?\]: oh boy
]
;B[qq]C[herissondu [4d\]: i like h7
Luffyy [3d\]: I bet b won't kill anything
backpack1 [2d\]: that´s because you re soft heri
SIkachnak [?\]: :D
herissondu [4d\]: faut pas dire ça
kljlkj: l10
whalian [10k?\]: et pourquoi pas? 
]
;W[no]C[Backflash [?\]: wool is soft too, but one ton of it on your head would kill you
midorisuke [3d\]: are you calling him fat
whalian [10k?\]: Yes
herissondu [4d\]: well, b doesn't need to kill
tas6466 [5k?\]: looks interesting...
herissondu [4d\]: lol
palapiku [-\]: surely b needs to kill something
midorisuke [3d\]: where's your spirit
midorisuke [3d\]: kill it all!
palapiku [-\]: can b win if both groups live?
midorisuke [3d\]: hard to see where he'll get the points
herissondu [4d\]: easily bro
sablesac [2d?\]: bro
wxhyhf1995 [1d\]: The game will end soon if B can not capture one of the groups.
tas6466 [5k?\]: don't call me bro, friend
Hobbes [1k\]: an enraged 16y old 7d.... a nightmare for the most
herissondu [4d\]: aaaa, stop that
rogeko [2k\]: if b don t kill he can do an easy big center 
snowman [-\]: there's no center without a kill
Backflash [?\]: tas6466 don't call me friend, mate
]
;B[mn]C[TrowaTreiz [2k\]: dont call me mate buddy
gogonuts [5d\]: wow, thats rough
USGO1 [-\]: sun, 43:00, gan, 23:00
midorisuke [3d\]: that is a resolute move
dogbert [4d\]: calm down, comrades
hobajons [-\]: calm move
Quaxi [5k\]: don't call me buddy, dude
midorisuke [3d\]: black intends to wedge
jusiblitz [3k\]: USGO1: remaining or already used?
palapiku [-\]: remaining
backpack1 [2d\]: don´t call me dude, bro
gogonuts [5d\]: n6 is bad shape - bad shape shows bad intent :-)
tas6466 [5k?\]: i don't think he can wedge
TitanPupil [1k\]: dont call me bro, companion
midorisuke [3d\]: i didn't say he could wedge, i said he intended to :)
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
MaLa [3d\]: make peace and love, hippies!
backpack1 [2d\]: nobody ever said companion... for 200 years
Backflash [?\]: o7?
K5 [2d?\]: What is bad intent, o6 O8?
midorisuke [3d\]: m7 GO
kljlkj: canadian maybe
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;W[nn]C[gogonuts [5d\]: there may be an opening for you in some lagal administration
Goreon [2d\]: is the loser of this game out of the tournament?
palapiku [-\]: no
gogonuts [5d\]: legal
midorisuke [3d\]: me?
MaLa [3d\]: loser plays bill
tas6466 [5k?\]: backpack... you have obviously never watched dr who
dogbert [4d\]: 1 eye for b, one more to go
Goreon [2d\]: i see thx
MaLa [3d\]: winner plays winner of loser vs bill
Hobbes [1k\]: loser pay bills
]
;B[nf]C[palapiku [-\]: ...
onerabbit [2k\]: w accepts gote...
gogonuts [5d\]: there is no cut, n6 is mysterious to me
MaLa [3d\]: results carry over, so if they meat again in grandfinaö the seriers would be continued from 2-1
twoody [3k\]: I must be missing something here...
twoody [3k\]: How is this good for white?
yunoo: eyespace
Backflash [?\]: b trying to confuse w into mistake
MaLa [3d\]: also sun has an 1-0 advantage for an evntual game against bill
moondog [9k\]: white P15 earlier?
ogogog [5k\]: black has to prepare P9
hobajons [-\]: o14 hurts
oasthouse [-\]: w can still p15 if he wants
palapiku [-\]: o14 is just preparing something like l10?
Backseeed [4d\]: earlier p15 might not have been absolute sente
]
;W[lh]C[moondog [9k\]: oh
sablesac [2d?\]: l10
tas6466 [5k?\]: w says ok...
yorugua [6k\]: o11 feeling the heat
]
;B[kj]C[DrwsyClown [-\]: what are you talking about, the win/lose doesnt reset for finals?
MaLa [3d\]: they dont
yunoo: nope
Hobbes [1k\]: m11 was meaningless?
gogonuts [5d\]: strange part of the rule
palapiku [-\]: m11 is empty
DrwsyClown [-\]: that seems like horrible settings to me, but w/e
MaLa [3d\]: btw gogo, what was your opinion on the egf system? ^^
yorugua [6k\]: the rules are really confusing
yunoo: saves time tho
Hobbes [1k\]: instead of l10 
dogbert [4d\]: if f13 eventually become useful, b wins
midorisuke [3d\]: l10 closer to tengen
midorisuke [3d\]: so better
hyperpape: Apparently a lot of sports use this type of double elimination bracket, but I don't remember seeing it before. 
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;W[lk]C[AttoFaas [3k\]: olympic judo comes to mind
MaLa [3d\]: esports as well ^^
midorisuke [3d\]: m11
Hobbes [1k\]: yeah the saharian beach volley championship as well
gogonuts [5d\]: you cant use it where having more matches is a severe handicap
DrwsyClown [-\]: I think m10 is better, less aji on the other side
hyperpape: Is there any game where having more matches isn't a big deal? 
palapiku [-\]: w looks almost alive...
midorisuke [3d\]: divekick
hyperpape: Certainly fatigue is an issue in go, even if it's not (american) football. 
DrwsyClown [-\]: or maybe l11 to go ahead of w a bit
K5 [2d?\]: L12??
wxhyhf1995 [1d\]: B's intention is to make one of W groups  naturally die. 
gogonuts [5d\]: possible L12
jussayin: so one more north american will be pro after this?
DrwsyClown [-\]: k11
midorisuke [3d\]: two
tas6466 [5k?\]: bottom w looks alive but top looks iffy
midorisuke [3d\]: but not this tournament
twoody [3k\]: It seems to have one white group live means the other will dies, in terms of being split by o10
midorisuke [3d\]: there's another one
backpack1 [2d\]: i don´t get it, why don´t you just play a roundrobin tournament and the winner becomes pro `?
midorisuke [3d\]: i think?
palapiku [-\]: elim tournaments are more exciting to watch than round robin...
gogonuts [5d\]: round robin has tie break problems and lacks drama
Roosta [1k\]: it looks like b is trying to be as calm and balanced as possible, as if to say w's weakness will out on its own
palapiku [-\]: drama is important
yorugua [6k\]: I would prefer a round robin
gogonuts [5d\]: its unamerican :-)
tas6466 [5k?\]: truth
hyperpape: I thought round robin is only bad for determining 2nd place and lower? 
backpack1 [2d\]: in case of 2 winners there could be a playoff
backpack1 [2d\]: nvm...
gogonuts [5d\]: 1st place can be a bother too, with multiple ties
palapiku [-\]: single elim is great, 100% drama and really feels like the winner accomplished something
reprisal [2d\]: well the breakers can lead to very unsatisfying finishes in round robin
reprisal [2d\]: having a winner on SODOS is pretty crappy
]
;B[li]C[backpack1 [2d\]: ....playoffs.
gogonuts [5d\]: a sodos pro :-)
hobajons [-\]: nfl
jussayin: is Gan Jianing brother of Gan Sheng?
hobajons [-\]: yes
hobajons [-\]: no
hobajons [-\]: lol
Backseeed [4d\]: sodos in round robin - sonds funny#
reprisal [2d\]: a breaker american pro, i can here the derision already
]
;W[kh]C[gogonuts [5d\]: monster ko
]
;B[mk]C[reprisal [2d\]: well last ko was pretty big too
midorisuke [3d\]: man, i called it!
pwaldron [-\]: plenty of ko threats :)
dutch2dan [1d\]: @backseeed: sodos still possible, sos not
backpack1 [2d\]: biggest ko everrr
Hobbes [1k\]: i did earlier:-))
K5 [2d?\]: I suppose B could use C17 aji for this
backpack1 [2d\]: c17 too small
reprisal [2d\]: c17 not as big as this fight
gogonuts [5d\]: because sos is what they're tied on :-)
backpack1 [2d\]: b has g2
wxhyhf1995 [1d\]: who wins this ko, who takes the game here
reprisal [2d\]: thats what was said about the last ko
MaLa [3d\]: why would the play the ko?
gogonuts [5d\]: i think b is going for a no-nonsense attack of the lower group
]
;W[ml]C[palapiku [-\]: kill it in sente, then ko
]
;B[kk]C[wxhyhf1995 [1d\]: w has more threats.
reprisal [2d\]: good plan!@
pwaldron [-\]: ko can always be held in reserve if black feels he's behind
reprisal [2d\]: i like killing in sente
Roosta [1k\]: ko?
MaLa [3d\]: n14 is connected anyway
tas6466 [5k?\]: n4?
MaLa [3d\]: so why ever ko there?
dutch2dan [1d\]: c17, d15 then what???
]
;W[ok]C[BlackSmurf [1d\]: how very snob of you reprisal
palapiku [-\]: not that ko
BlackSmurf [1d\]: ^^
Genghis [3k\]: is white alive now?
gogonuts [5d\]: no
Hobbes [1k\]: p9 turning point
K5 [2d?\]: c17 = ko aji only
tiersen [5d\]: why do you ask and not read it out yourself?
backpack1 [2d\]: nope, just a lot of ko threats ^^
tas6466 [5k?\]: not yet but b needs to play inside
dogbert [4d\]: not if p4
gogonuts [5d\]: w has 1.5 eyes at the moment
oasthouse [-\]: p9 makes ko more valuable for w
Genghis [3k\]: tiersen because I am lazy, that is probably why I am still 3k too : )
Backseeed [4d\]: it is not really a kos if white plays o13 on n12, then n13, n14, m13, then white p15 sente and white can make two eyes
Hobbes [1k\]: exactly
]
;B[ih]C[hume [4k\]: id go for ko
saxo [3d\]: and u'd lose
yorugua [6k\]: wow b going after q11 now
backpack1 [2d\]: that´s why you are 4k :))
pwaldron [-\]: white p15, seems like black can p14
palapiku [-\]: b is making f13 useful
gogonuts [5d\]: b is good at this sadistic thing
hume [4k\]: im 4d at kibitz dude
dogbert [4d\]: b keeps on switching attack traget to torture w, lol
reprisal [2d\]: well w asked for this when he moved l7
reprisal [2d\]: can't complain about constant shifting attacks
saxo [3d\]: b doesn't really make pts so he has to kill to win
asdfasdfe: reason is simple. black is behind in cash, so only chance to win, is to attack
gogonuts [5d\]: incredible how s7 allowed b to show his power
oasthouse [-\]: Backseeed, b has p15
tas6466 [5k?\]: w is counting to see if he needs to respond
MaLa [3d\]: lol tas
reprisal [2d\]: yeah s7 n10 is a fascinating little vignette
hume [4k\]: me lolling too
Backseeed [4d\]: white could ask p15 now
jodageezer [7k?\]: Doesn't W S12 guarantee life for the white group?
tas6466 [5k?\]: m4 looks fun too
gogonuts [5d\]: but what about the bottom then?
pwaldron [-\]: p15, black p14, then what?
Backseeed [4d\]: then q13 sente - which is one eyey
hhvdcvdfa: isnt it fun when noobs make fun of even bigger noobs all enjoying the fun-ness!
Hobbes [1k\]: p15 p14 q13 o15 
tomo1989 [6k\]: t7 t11 s10 ?
pwaldron [-\]: ah, ok
saxo [3d\]: p4 kills locally
gogonuts [5d\]: and ws position is pretty local there
Backseeed [4d\]: looks extremely difficult for white
tas6466 [5k?\]: what about k5?
koogle [10k\]: what do you mean by kills locally? what other kill option is there?
basicpract [-\]:  w can run
reprisal [2d\]: means it would have to run to live
Hobbes [1k\]: considering q13 an eye means u must fight the ko
saxo [3d\]: maybew can sneak out around n3
basicpract [-\]: so not dead overall :P
liptos [4k\]: w try to run through black funnel of death
tas6466 [5k?\]: the funnel of death to one of whites other living groups?
asdfasdfe: black has to catch up about 15-17 points
koogle [10k\]: funnel of death sound like an amusement park ride
MaLa [3d\]: after p4 black would have to answer L8 at bottom....
herissondu [4d\]: b is ok
MaLa [3d\]: if he wants to kill
herissondu [4d\]: it's not about points actually
MaLa [3d\]: and then it is still a running game
tas6466 [5k?\]: pretty sure its about the points
tas6466 [5k?\]: lol
herissondu [4d\]: you're wrong
hhvdcvdfa: does gan jianing translate to an english name or word
koogle [10k\]: howie metcalf
hyperpape: It translates as gan jianing. 
koogle [10k\]: names dont translate
hyperpape: Names don't really translate.
Backseeed [4d\]: its these situations when hours of tsumego pay off
]
;W[ig]C[asdfasdfe: i dont think black is able to kill any of whites group, 
asdfasdfe: but he will gain for sure
]
;B[hg]C[Falcon89 [4k\]: hhvd, jianing is a common chinese name
gogonuts [5d\]: i cant tell, this is beyond me
asdfasdfe: and if thats the case, he should keep in mind min 15 points to pay off the komi he must give
]
;W[jg]C[Hobbes [1k\]: b is quoting lord of rings
tas6466 [5k?\]: hmm i wonder what the cross cut does...
yugen [1d\]: isn't white p 13 group dead antwya
yunoo: just prepare a little for w jumping at j8 and fire
yugen [1d\]: anyway ??
tas6466 [5k?\]: no yugen just no
Hobbes [1k\]: h11?orJ11?
]
;B[hf]C[Hobbes [1k\]: uff:-))
sorpikurt [7k?\]: i prfrt antwya
MaLa [3d\]: p15 now
Roosta [1k\]: w played this line because now f13 is too close :-)
Meto [2d\]: o15
Hobbes [1k\]: is lunch time approaching?
woodrose [1d\]: oh no not lunch time
hume [4k\]: i like o14 stone
gogonuts [5d\]: no lunch until we know what happens to these groups :-)
dntan [5k\]: look so dead
tas6466 [5k?\]: lol i bet they are sealing the move as i type
jussayin: do they seal the move during lunch?
saxo [3d\]: hopefully I've already lunched
yugen [1d\]: i again say white is dead there 
hobajons [-\]: nop
koogle [10k\]: what's the score to the match overall?
MaLa [3d\]: 1-1
hobajons [-\]: 1-1\\
koogle [10k\]: tx
Hobbes [1k\]: they seal before lunch otherwise the envelop could be spotted with tomato sauce, jussayin
MaLa [3d\]: tough living on top without killing bottom
dntan [5k\]: b o13 then no eye there
tas6466 [5k?\]: j12 seems juicy
]
;W[ne]C[tas6466 [5k?\]: j11 i mean
croc [4d\]: seems hard for w to manage both groups
]
;B[of]
;W[pg]C[tas6466 [5k?\]: 1
Roosta [1k\]: p15 
BlackSmurf [1d\]: 0.8
Hobbes [1k\]: p15 a must
]
;B[mf]
;W[lf]C[kentia [1d\]: was it?
]
;B[oe]C[Hobbes [1k\]: it was
Hobbes [1k\]: n14 ......doubtfull
kentia [1d\]: yea right
yugen [1d\]: yes
tas6466 [5k?\]: n13
yugen [1d\]: yes
yugen [1d\]: not good i think
tas6466 [5k?\]: n13 = 2 eyes yeah?
woodrose [1d\]: not even one
Hobbes [1k\]: n13 force ko
saxo [3d\]: n13 is one eye
germgo [-\]: n13 1 eye
Tomodachi [-\]: L14 if N13
tas6466 [5k?\]: when w takes ko... w is connected
TitanPupil [1k\]: n13 is one eye
TitanPupil [1k\]: because b later p17
BlackSmurf [1d\]: agreed germgo ... 1i
TitanPupil [1k\]: n13 makes one eye*
palapiku [-\]: lunch now?
woodrose [1d\]: n13 in itself isnt one eye
TitanPupil [1k\]: yes
DChou [-\]: com'on calvin
hhvdcvdfa: there is no eye, it will take more than 1 move...
Meto [2d\]: L16
hobajons [-\]: i think
kentia [1d\]: i think he needs two eyes
Quaxi [5k\]: p12 not an eye?
hobajons [-\]: j11 only hope
DChou [-\]: you are american's last hope
Hobbes [1k\]: I wonder what strong dans think of n14
maher139 [1k\]: so, if w lives in both areas, does he win?
Ootakamoku [-\]: white looks dead
aristokrat [2d\]: probably
croc [4d\]: :D too much burden on a kid's shoulder DChou
Backseeed [4d\]: white seems alive or escape
hume [4k\]: as before i think there will be a ko
palapiku [-\]: go canada
Javaness [2d\]: i'd fancy white could live
DChou [-\]: hi croc how are you
Backseeed [4d\]: n13 l14 k15 l15 j15 
DChou [-\]: we never met but we played several games on kgs
Roosta [1k\]: how old are these players?
maher139 [1k\]: calvin is 17
DChou [-\]: calvin is 16
croc [4d\]: did we, I must have lots all our games then
DChou [-\]: jianing is 17
maher139 [1k\]: dunno about gan
shinkertif [1k\]: where is jianing from?
Cookies [?\]: jianada
hhvdcvdfa: china
palapiku [-\]: :)
MaLa [3d\]: r12 is sente against r13, isnt it?
sedgwick [?\]: Lives in Windsor Ontario
MaLa [3d\]: then i would say white is alive...
twoody [3k\]: This reminds me somwhat of the Lee Sedol v. Gu Li game, where Li ended up resigning.
gogonuts [5d\]: k15?
MaLa [3d\]: agree on k15
palapiku [-\]: is r12 sente
Backseeed [4d\]: n13 first I think
TitanPupil [1k\]: n13 first
USGO1 [-\]: the players have elected to play through the lunch break
maher139 [1k\]: i think r12 is sente snap back if he tenukis right?
TitanPupil [1k\]: and then backseeed's variation
DChou [-\]: no croc we split games
Meto [2d\]: L16 J15 for w
TitanPupil [1k\]: yay!
reprisal [2d\]: ssweeet
MaLa [3d\]: n13 not needed, if r12 works after Wn13 B n12
hume [4k\]: n13yes
saxo [3d\]: good choice
gogonuts [5d\]: thats very considerate of them
hhvdcvdfa: n13 -L14 - p12
DChou [-\]: but it's fast on kgs you're probably stronger in person
Quaxi [5k\]: doesn't n13 make 2 eyes?
saxo [3d\]: eating is overrated
Hobbes [1k\]: I bet they have closed stomachs anyway
Falcon89 [4k\]: sedgwick, any idea where Calvin lives?
reprisal [2d\]: yup its hard to have an appetite during a tournament
maher139 [1k\]: no, r12 isn't sente
Lake [2k\]: they eat stones anyway
Javaness [2d\]: i thought Calvin was west coast
DChou [-\]: hope the players had big breakfast
TitanPupil [1k\]: n13 could actually make a ko
Hobbes [1k\]: they did
maher139 [1k\]: calvin is west cost
DChou [-\]: calvin is from orange county california
maher139 [1k\]: coast
zen [2d\]: I always get super hungry in tournaments
]
;W[je]C[MaLa [3d\]: yay
sedgwick [?\]: yes, West coast, but dn't remember details
saxo [3d\]: n13
reprisal [2d\]: before or after the games zen?
Falcon89 [4k\]: ok   thx   guys
Hobbes [1k\]: n13 seems natural
Backseeed [4d\]: black can n13 now
RobertT [-\]: he is in LA area
hhvdcvdfa: if black n13, then white will go n12...
DChou [-\]: i would play n13, but then again, i'm not top 10 in US, calvin is
tas6466 [5k?\]: w will just connect if b n13
croc [4d\]: Calvin must have improved; he used to have hard time playing Bill Lin
Backseeed [4d\]: k15 wasnt gonna run away was it?
shinkertif [1k\]: n13
zen [2d\]: after/during games.. I think the thinking makes me extra hungry :)
DChou [-\]: calvin beat a top chinese amateur at 2013 go congress
hhvdcvdfa: n13 into n12
DChou [-\]: lost to another top chinese amater by 1.5
TitanPupil [1k\]: i was there dchou ^.^
DChou [-\]: had chance to win that one too
]
;B[op]C[dogbert [4d\]: lol
Hobbes [1k\]: lol
aristokrat [2d\]: torture
hhvdcvdfa: lol
yorugua [6k\]: b is funny
croc [4d\]: these kids are lucky; when I was their age my Go set was locked so that I could focus on studies
Hobbes [1k\]: b forget about swinging terror lately
DChou [-\]: if your parents didn't lock go set you'd probably be pro
DChou [-\]: too bad
Lsugyen [6d\]: white look dangerous to me
]
;W[mp]C[tas6466 [5k?\]: yep
DChou [-\]: white top is alive now
maher139 [1k\]: you're lucky, when i was their age i didn't even have a go set
moondog [9k\]: white m8 is still forcing move, follow up with m6?
]
;B[lp]C[croc [4d\]: no way; I am not talented enough to be a pro
koogle [10k\]: croc, how lucky has yet to be seen. spending youth following dream that peters out often leaves you with no plan B
croc [4d\]: very true
TitanPupil [1k\]: plan b: try for american pro, no age limit(i think)
hhvdcvdfa: i live in a van, down by the river, i am pro checkers player, life works out sometime
Hobbes [1k\]: at they're age my books were locked otherwise my mining rate wouldn't be enough
reprisal [2d\]: american pro doesnt pay a whole lot though
reprisal [2d\]: so its a pretty bad plan B
palapiku [-\]: does it pay anything at all
TitanPupil [1k\]: its a plan :)
MaLa [3d\]: you think asian pro does?
MaLa [3d\]: if you dont win?
maher139 [1k\]: top asian pros do
hhvdcvdfa: u might get a honda civic, by default
reprisal [2d\]: asian pro is a bad plan A too :)
RobertT [-\]: w seems to have gotten himself in quite a bit of trouble
palapiku [-\]: well spotted
Meto [2d\]: m8
MaLa [3d\]: there is huge difference between and top pro ;)
reprisal [2d\]: only a half stone or so, not so huge :)
nickBlake [?\]: Loser of this game only needs to win one game in the lower bracket finals
nickBlake [?\]: ?
MaLa [3d\]: no
Jimmy3d [-\]: white is alive o.0?
MaLa [3d\]: only if calvin loses
nickBlake [?\]: (5A on the tournament schedule) where the person from the lower bracket needs to win 2?
nickBlake [?\]: Ah
nork [1k\]: sad thing: top pros gain 1/100 of what top pros get in any other sport
MaLa [3d\]: gan would have to win 2 out of 3
MaLa [3d\]: calvin 1 out of 2
MaLa [3d\]: in LB final
nickBlake [?\]: THey only have 2 games scheduled for it :x
yorugua [6k\]: yeah, the schedule makes no sense
RobertT [-\]: nork, not true. lee sedol makes 1 million usd a year and iyama yuta made 1.7 million last year
buu [3d\]: wow is w dead 
yorugua [6k\]: there is no guarantee this finishes Tue night
hume [4k\]: really???
MaLa [3d\]: and thats not a lot...
MaLa [3d\]: compare it to the absolut best of any other sports
DChou [-\]: those are two pros out of a thousand
MaLa [3d\]: and they are the absolut best
gogonuts [5d\]: cant sell basketball shoes with go
RobertT [-\]: lee changho has made 10 million over his career
koogle [10k\]: guys in football playoff losing team gets $50K just for today
mdrose [9k\]: most sports pro's don't make anything
Kayres [3d?\]: its cuz of sponsors and media coverage and how much ppl like it
TitanPupil [1k\]: dwayne wade and lebron james: around 25 mil per year
DChou [-\]: can sell go sets :P
Hobbes [1k\]: to me it means other sports pro earn way too much
Akanksha: how much are fans willing to pay to watch  a game?
embeck [4k\]: nike go stones?
gogonuts [5d\]: thats the answer
RobertT [-\]: koogle, thats about how much 2nd-4th in international tournaments make
gogonuts [5d\]: the stones witha swoosh
Lake [2k\]: always a stone in your shoe. nike
bbred [4k\]: why not allow google adds next to pro games in kgs?
mdrose [9k\]: mala, you're talking only about a handful of sports, basketball, soccer, football etc
DChou [-\]: calvin needs tap into his inner lee sedol
Kayres [3d?\]: nike. just tenuki.
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;W[np]C[RobertT [-\]: not many people realize that if you make it into the main tournament of the major go tournaments, you get paid.
MaLa [3d\]: yeah, and they support a decent amount of ppl
embeck [4k\]: Marketing slogan:"Just tenuki it"
DChou [-\]: find a way to make the bottom right live
wuwei [4k\]: it would be a tasteful swoosh, just a gradient of colours
reprisal [2d\]: yeah, what does an olympic gymnast make?
Jimmy3d [-\]: bottom right is alive
MaLa [3d\]: just check the korean prizemoney list
germgo [-\]: bottom right seems dead
RobertT [-\]: so all 32 of the main tournament players get prize money
mdrose [9k\]: and the reason why the players make that much money is that lots of people watch those sports
croc [4d\]: b has successfully make hope out of a hopeless position
koogle [10k\]: it's outrageous. otoh, they are getting part of the wealth they create. hard to think of other work where this is true
MaLa [3d\]: not in the top 10 -> better get something else to do
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;B[mq]C[Jimmy3d [-\]: M8 M6 both sente
palapiku [-\]: you mean w croc?
TitanPupil [1k\]: jimmy but then the top might die
hume [4k\]: b will have difficult times..
yunoo: most go pros making a life by giving lessons, not prize money tho
USGO1 [-\]: w 10:00 remains
germgo [-\]: m8 n11
Jimmy3d [-\]: then L 8 and J8 
TitanPupil [1k\]: like m8 n11 
TitanPupil [1k\]: yea germgo
DChou [-\]: i think white can live
croc [4d\]: b was desperate after UL Ko
Akanksha: their careers are much longer
Uniqo [9k\]: magnus carlsen (chess) made 1.2m$ in 2012, so quite comparable
maher139 [1k\]: how much time does b have?
Jimmy3d [-\]: its sorta one or the other
Ootakamoku [-\]: no need to state b time, since he will win
koogle [10k\]: magnus is amazing. and still young
RobertT [-\]: the korean prize money list you are refering to is from a year where china dominated koea in international tournaments. the #10 guy in china probably made about the same as the #3 person on the korea list... if not more....
MaLa [3d\]: and check how much he made 2013
Jimmy3d [-\]: impossible for white to live both :(
MaLa [3d\]: ,)
Athanor [-\]: magnus is only getting started
MaLa [3d\]: with one series
maher139 [1k\]: b will lose after w lives here
MaLa [3d\]: robert, i dont even know the current list
Jimmy3d [-\]: not really
MaLa [3d\]: even in the last 5 years
MaLa [3d\]: the list was a sad sight
DChou [-\]: magnus will need to beat a computer
MaLa [3d\]: yeah... 2 guys at top earning some cash
DChou [-\]: tough to do at this point
koogle [10k\]: might be last one to
Uniqo [9k\]: no way )
gogonuts [5d\]: J7?
MaLa [3d\]: some are making some money...
yorugua [6k\]: not going to happen DChou
DChou [-\]: i agree
Hobbes [1k\]: m8 makes n12 flower ko
Hobbes [1k\]: for b
mdrose [9k\]: don't see why it's sad
]
;W[kl]C[herissondu [4d\]: w is so dead
Jimmy3d [-\]: Dchou o.o = daniel? :O
RobertT [-\]: there is a list of top 10 korean earners this year and number 10 made 90k usd but that is based on a year where korea didn't win or even place  very high in international tournaments...
yorugua [6k\]: still, Magnus is imho the best chessplayer ever
DChou [-\]: nice 
TitanPupil [1k\]: i think w dies somewhere
DChou [-\]: l8 is good
yorugua [6k\]: and yes, I am accounting for Fischer and Kasparov
RobertT [-\]: which is the first year in forever.... which is probably why they decided to make the list
gogonuts [5d\]: ah, threatnes an eye
Uniqo [9k\]: kasparov is still considered to be the best ever
MaLa [3d\]: and how much did those outside the top10 get of those international titles
yorugua [6k\]: not really
MaLa [3d\]: nothing anyway
MaLa [3d\]: ...
Uniqo [9k\]: but we digress
USGO1 [-\]: b 10:00 remains
maher139 [1k\]: so err, back to the game at hand
DChou [-\]: aim at k5
Lake [2k\]: i think if b get a move around k11 in sente he'll do fine
koogle [10k\]: garry is one of all time greats but his day is done
caglard [11k\]: 10:00 means 10 hours?
RobertT [-\]: mala, it actually evens out more because there is only 1 spot for winner and 2 for runner up but 2 spots for 3-4th and 4 sports for 5th - 8th
MaLa [3d\]: yes
koogle [10k\]: minutes
maher139 [1k\]: 10 minutes
RobertT [-\]: so it actually evens out as you go down
gogonuts [5d\]: but b just j9?
dogbert [4d\]: j7?
Karamos [2k\]: l6
palapiku [-\]: doesn't b need to l6 or something
Backseeed [4d\]: bj9, then w makes an eye at  7
maher139 [1k\]: j9 m8 m10 m6 m5 l6 
palapiku [-\]: to prevent an eye
TitanPupil [1k\]: if b doesnt play l6 then w liveso n the bottom
DChou [-\]: j9 k5
Vinicius [1d\]: i like j7
tablet [1k\]: n13
herissondu [4d\]: so dead so dead
TitanPupil [1k\]: but if w liveso n the bottom his top becomes very vulnerable
Hobbes [1k\]: m10?
RobertT [-\]: so I would guess top 20-25 of each country makes a living off of tournaments alone and many of the ones below that make a living off of tournaments  + teaching
Backseeed [4d\]: white threatens an eye at m7
gogonuts [5d\]: but w m8 for b n11 ruins w above
TitanPupil [1k\]: but that eye is at the cost of n12
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;B[ng]C[TitanPupil [1k\]: :o
herissondu [4d\]: ah
palapiku [-\]: ....
wxhyhf1995 [1d\]: b needs to start killing the top as w has k5
Jimmy3d [-\]: where we go
Athanor [-\]: hmm b kills top now
Jimmy3d [-\]: here*
DChou [-\]: here we go
Genghis [3k\]: is that a mistake?
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;W[mg]C[DChou [-\]: ko ko ko
Athanor [-\]: maybe
tas6466 [5k?\]: maybe
Hobbes [1k\]: p17
palapiku [-\]: is what a mistake
]
;B[oc]C[Backseeed [4d\]: its not about the ko
tas6466 [5k?\]: yes
Jimmy3d [-\]: this is...a big ko..
sorpikurt [7k?\]: biggest ko ever
koogle [10k\]: M6
Genghis [3k\]: o13
MaLa [3d\]: there is no ko...
TitanPupil [1k\]: o13 is an illegal move
Backseeed [4d\]: this makes n11 sente, so m8 isnt sente for white
MaLa [3d\]: j9 now
maher139 [1k\]: could you imagine if suddenly one side suddenly started stacking stones?
TitanPupil [1k\]: lol
tas6466 [5k?\]: q12 right?
]
;W[ii]C[TitanPupil [1k\]: no need
tas6466 [5k?\]: hmm ok
MaLa [3d\]: interesting for white
bbred [4k\]: co co co
tas6466 [5k?\]: there is none
Blondin [5k\]: k11
TitanPupil [1k\]: this is dan-gerous
MaLa [3d\]: while whites position has been terrible since n10... i really like his style
caglard [11k\]: if b do K11 how e will respond
gogonuts [5d\]: j9
Altist [1d?\]: who is ahead?
tas6466 [5k?\]: w is pretty bold
palapiku [-\]: if n10 does it will be very sad
tas6466 [5k?\]: b needs to kill
maher139 [1k\]: if w lives everywhere b loses
MaLa [3d\]: he is really making things happen without going for that typical doomattack most players like to do
Jimmy3d [-\]: now the timer will do its job ;D
palapiku [-\]: if n10 dies
gogonuts [5d\]: the boldness of desperation
Hobbes [1k\]: I do prefer b style
vegmandu [2d\]: necessity is the mother of invention
Backseeed [4d\]: both play make up for a good game
buu [3d\]: i prefer my style :P
tas6466 [5k?\]: b needs to come out with his group
tas6466 [5k?\]: wedge?
dntan [5k\]: how much time they have remain?
gogonuts [5d\]: running around with trashy groups isnt ws style - it was anaccident
MaLa [3d\]: but the way he manages them
]
;B[mh]
;W[mi]C[MaLa [3d\]: is impressive
palapiku [-\]: ko!!!
Backseeed [4d\]: running around with trashy groups would be funny style :)
bbred [4k\]: yea
MaLa [3d\]: woah
maher139 [1k\]: i think the last game between them was more of w's style
reprisal [2d\]: well he was playing amashi from the beginning
deLaPump33 [7k?\]: what's the time setting for this game? 90 mins abs 
]
;B[gr]C[namaste [2d\]: wow
ShindouSai [5d?\]: is the actual game in LA?
zen [2d\]: professionals shouldn't have accidents
Athanor [-\]: what the hell
palapiku [-\]: small! ignore!
reprisal [2d\]: having to run around with trashy groups is just what happens when amashi goes wrong
Hobbes [1k\]: omg
maher139 [1k\]: yeah, the game is in la
bbred [4k\]: take
Altist [1d?\]: cant ignore
]
;W[lj]C[moondog [9k\]: where in la?
palapiku [-\]: yessss
Jimmy3d [-\]: ignore
germgo [-\]: gg
tas6466 [5k?\]: did ignore
dogbert [4d\]: ouchy
wuwei [4k\]: wow
tas6466 [5k?\]: lol
yunoo: lol
rollstory [2k\]: lol
ShindouSai [5d?\]: ouchhhh
dntan [5k\]: over
wxhyhf1995 [1d\]: w won
]
;B[er]C[maher139 [1k\]: gg
MaLa [3d\]: w has to live...
Uniqo [9k\]: someone shouldn't have missed the lunch?
Hobbes [1k\]: w lucky
Altist [1d?\]: b needs to kill bot
palapiku [-\]: i feel w will live
tas6466 [5k?\]: w is alive...
ThiGar [4k\]: RoberT, what explains this level of prize money in Korea? Huge TV audiences, corporate name recognition?
vegmandu [2d\]: f4?
Athanor [-\]: b had 100 more options here, why this one??
Javaness [2d\]: so who counted the echange
]
;W[fp]
;B[gq]C[Kayres [3d?\]: id like to now too
ShindouSai [5d?\]: white might die
]
;W[dr]C[ShindouSai [5d?\]: here
liptos [4k\]: whoa ia left for 10 seconds, and so much happened
]
;B[fs]C[hobajons [-\]: WHAt
palapiku [-\]: the exchange was worth -300 points for b
gogonuts [5d\]: if b counted and hes ahead this is fine
hobajons [-\]: happend
hobajons [-\]: omg
hume [4k\]: poor b
Uniqo [9k\]: in korea every 5th plays go
Hobbes [1k\]: mind blowing?
]
;W[bq]C[MaLa [3d\]: from personal experience that number is fake
Quaxi [5k\]: w happyily ever after
dogbert [4d\]: i figured g2 was good threat for the ko over the top but small for the center
sorpikurt [7k?\]: and they are born as 1k
]
;B[ci]C[Backseeed [4d\]: seems to me like white is leading with like 10 points now
tas6466 [5k?\]: that was big
maher139 [1k\]: that's probably and average, ie some areas have much higher rates of go players and some have much lower
whalian [10k?\]: Damn gay it was
liptos [4k\]: c11 huh
croc [4d\]: w still leads :(
]
;W[el]C[Hobbes [1k\]: sa sad b loose this game
Le34 [-\]: w?
ThiGar [4k\]: lets see what SE thinks
whalian [10k?\]: Go calvin
whalian [10k?\]: !
ShindouSai [5d?\]: i think b's winning
USGO1 [-\]: b 5:00 remain
MaLa [3d\]: wel most of the korean go world talks about the decline of go there...
USGO1 [-\]: w 3;00
MaLa [3d\]: the Lee chanho boom is over
MaLa [3d\]: and nowadays other sports are clearly winning vs go
Altist [1d?\]: why decline?
gogonuts [5d\]: is it absolute decline or relative decline to growing china?
Uniqo [9k\]: mind sports?
MaLa [3d\]: because when LCH dominated ppls wanted to be like him
liptos [4k\]: other board game sports? or general sports
palapiku [-\]: starcraft, league of legends
ThiGar [4k\]: nobody replaced the charismatic Lee Chang Ho?
MaLa [3d\]: but now there is not one dominating figure
backpack1 [2d\]: omg what happened
reprisal [2d\]: LCH played boring go anyway :0
tas6466 [5k?\]: l18 looks big
MaLa [3d\]: but many
lupong [1d\]: seem close to me
MaLa [3d\]: thats less attractive
Hobbes [1k\]: problem of korean boom is that there is a 100 hundred bigger boom in china
MaLa [3d\]: and you can earn so much more
Altist [1d?\]: go starts to be popular in europe 
MaLa [3d\]: in anything else
palapiku [-\]: in china, nobody plays go
MaLa [3d\]: with koreans in british premier league..
palapiku [-\]: hardly a boom
Ootakamoku [-\]: I was away for a moment and it looks like b nuked himself ...
MaLa [3d\]: koreans winning figure skating...
zen [2d\]: not that popular in europe...
gogonuts [5d\]: they play weiqi
notottip [2d\]: seems very close
Hobbes [1k\]: lol
MaLa [3d\]: all those things easily surpassed go
MaLa [3d\]: ,)
mooooo [6k?\]: the winner of this mach plays bill lin?
liptos [4k\]: f5 any good?
MaLa [3d\]: loser
MaLa [3d\]: plays bill
croc [4d\]: b should have make the bottom a bit heavier before starting the ko
maher139 [1k\]: the loser plays bil
wxhyhf1995 [1d\]: B lost
mooooo [6k?\]: ah
buu [3d\]: Bill Bill Bill Bill
wxhyhf1995 [1d\]: game over
palapiku [-\]: people play cards or xiangqi on the streets in china, never go
ShindouSai [5d?\]: imma take the pro exam next year 
]
;B[ij]C[curlin [?\]: black wins
bbred [4k\]: o7 was bigger threat?
TitanPupil [1k\]: woot 5d
Altist [1d?\]: I think the best players still make a lot a money
curlin [?\]: sorry for white
q15p17r14 [2d\]: I thought c11 would be f5, but now I think white can too easily escape
]
;W[hj]C[ThiGar [4k\]: the Goban may be too cumbersome for chinese streets
MaLa [3d\]: 1 million a year
MaLa [3d\]: is not much
palapiku [-\]: i feel like they should go for a lunch break now
]
;B[hi]
;W[ji]C[MaLa [3d\]: hell, the one korean in BPL gets more... and he is nothing big in the picture of soccer
Backseeed [4d\]: well, i wouldnt mind it
palapiku [-\]: they need stamina for yose
backpack1 [2d\]:  in china some people in parks are playing weiqi
herissondu [4d\]: b is ahead
]
;B[ik]C[Jimmy3d [-\]: still depends imo
mdrose [9k\]: how would goban be any more cumbersome than a xiangqi board
backpack1 [2d\]: b still has f5
gogonuts [5d\]: they each think the other guy needs foof more badly
]
;W[gi]C[gogonuts [5d\]: food
MaLa [3d\]: go is popular in korean parks, from my experience
]
;B[hh]C[MaLa [3d\]: but the average is 70 years old and male
]
;W[hk]C[maher139 [1k\]: both players both almost in byo yomi
palapiku [-\]: goban is exactly as cumbersome as a weiqi board because it's literally the same board with the two games on two sides
ThiGar [4k\]: isn't xiangqi a smaller grid,
]
;B[il]C[palapiku [-\]: and i've never seen anyone play go in a chinese park
]
;W[dk]
;B[ck]C[Le34 [-\]: d9
palapiku [-\]: er, *as a xiangqi board
mdrose [9k\]: my xiangqi board has go on the back
]
;W[cl]C[Le34 [-\]: yea
zen [2d\]: I've seen it a few times, but it's rare
palapiku [-\]: yes
MaLa [3d\]: cant talk about china, was there only for tourneys ^^
]
;B[cm]C[wuwei [4k\]: amazing how many point are still at stake
]
;W[cj]C[MaLa [3d\]: so didnt spend much time around
]
;B[bk]C[yunoo: b dont have much yose tho
Falcon89 [4k\]: Xiangqi is easier to carry around
Backseeed [4d\]: it is close but I think w will win with a few points
]
;W[dj]
;B[bj]C[palapiku [-\]: yeah, go stones are heavy
hugo: b h14 group can kill?
domi999 [1k\]: j15 
palapiku [-\]: xiangqi pieces are light and fit in a nice little case
ThiGar [4k\]: yes, looks like xiangqi is more mobile
maher139 [1k\]: is it just me or are b's h14  stones not safe?
]
;W[kd]C[agakenny [4d\]: L16
USGO1 [-\]: b 1:00 remain
Jimmy3d [-\]: I have a feeling w can catch up alone in yose
palapiku [-\]: but people do play go in korea, on the streets, in parks
Jimmy3d [-\]: alot(
wuwei [4k\]: that is a big problem with go. Small sets are uncomfortable
palapiku [-\]: despite the immobility
]
;B[kc]
;W[id]C[MaLa [3d\]: yep
croc [4d\]: w is the one that is ahead
]
;B[hc]C[palapiku [-\]: that was my point, go is much more popular in korea than in china, even despite the chinese "boom"
Athanor [-\]: b the dead one
mooooo [6k?\]: maybe h14 can be defended with g10?
MaLa [3d\]: but among the young?
maher139 [1k\]: take?
mooooo [6k?\]: young people in china dont play go
ThiGar [4k\]: In Korea, they may have permanant  go tables in the parks, so that they only need yo bring the stones
whalian [10k?\]: It's still too close to call 
Le34 [-\]: h16
MaLa [3d\]: go is like the favorite thing of retired ppl ^^
]
;W[jc]
;B[jb]C[MaLa [3d\]: but kids... :(
MaLa [3d\]: not many
hobajons [-\]: its my fav
palapiku [-\]: kids play LoL instead
USGO1 [-\]: w 1:00 remains
hobajons [-\]: lol is fun too
Jimmy3d [-\]: ^too true
ashkatriz [-\]: young people in china DO play go though
yorugua [6k\]: h16 and ko?
flurpel [2d\]: yes
]
;W[hd]C[hobajons [-\]: oh dang
hobajons [-\]: kill him
]
;B[dh]C[backpack1 [2d\]: no way
Le34 [-\]: Go Celvin 
koogle [9k\]: wow. w middle lives?!
mooooo [6k?\]: all chinese exchange studends i met so far knew go but couldnt play it. or be like 20k
hobajons [-\]: lol
MaLa [3d\]: they wouldnt be students if they would play go
MaLa [3d\]: :D
ashkatriz [-\]: so many 12-13 year olds are trying to go pro in china
Kayres [3d?\]: no, b made w live in center ;D
]
;W[ei]C[ashkatriz [-\]: also
pete038861 [4k\]: which country exchange mooooo
ThiGar [4k\]: all bets on yose
Jimmy3d [-\]: You should go to the next go congress then :P
mooooo [6k?\]: germany
Hobbes [1k\]: if go is played by 1 out five in korea and 1 out 25 in china still china has ten times go players
pete038861 [4k\]: which city?
q15p17r14 [2d\]: White has a secon eye if he plays f5, or he can probably find a second one around f10
ashkatriz [-\]: all chiense exchange students are living off their parents' money 
ashkatriz [-\]: and honestly
Jimmy3d [-\]: Isn't it in NY? o.0
flurpel [2d\]: si
Jimmy3d [-\]: or something
ashkatriz [-\]: i wouldnt expect them to know go at all
hobajons [-\]: yes
USGO1 [-\]: both are in byoyomi
koogle [9k\]: ratio i heard was 1:4 koreans play and 1;10 chinese
maher139 [1k\]: how long is the byo yomi and how many periods?
]
;B[fo]C[flurpel [2d\]: 40x5?
palapiku [-\]: yes
Jimmy3d [-\]: I have faith in Calvin, he will win this game >:D
palapiku [-\]: 5 periods of 40 seconds
hhvdcvdfa: cockblocked him!
ashkatriz [-\]: NO
TitanPupil [1k\]: next go congress is manhattan i think
ashkatriz [-\]: JIANING IS FRMO TORONTO
ashkatriz [-\]: GO JIANING
hyperpape: No, there's a billion people in China, and the go census only recorded something like 10 million players. 
ShindouSai [5d?\]: yea
vegmandu [2d\]: e13?
ShindouSai [5d?\]: NYC
tas6466 [5k?\]: j7 looks big
flurpel [2d\]: i bet it's 1:10 in big cities
TitanPupil [1k\]: shindousai should go
whalian [10k?\]: Calvin Calvin Calvin
TitanPupil [1k\]: \\o\\
ThiGar [4k\]: But Gan is hungry, beeing seed from last year's qualifications
flurpel [2d\]: definitely not in the countryside
Backseeed [4d\]: there is a cut after e11
curlin [?\]: congrats jianing
kwx [6k\]: f5 aims to g10
ashkatriz [-\]: i expected Ryan to play a lot better
hobajons [-\]: wait
hugo: e12
hobajons [-\]: wai no e12
odnihs [5d\]: calvin shall win
Backseeed [4d\]: starting with c12, b11
zen [2d\]: e13
hobajons [-\]: e12
hobajons [-\]: jk
]
;W[jn]C[ShindouSai [5d?\]: yea b lost
hobajons [-\]: wait
flurpel [2d\]: yay
liptos [4k\]: whoa
hobajons [-\]: e13 
koogle [9k\]: go census?
]
;B[ep]C[flurpel [2d\]: hob i think there's double atari at e15
pete038861 [4k\]: 1.4 billion people
flurpel [2d\]: if u do that
]
;W[dq]C[q15p17r14 [2d\]: Backseed, can you give more of the sequence?
odnihs [5d\]: the mystic fountain shall grant thy wish
Backseeed [4d\]: what about c12 d11 b11 b12 e13 ?
hobajons [-\]: yes
hobajons [-\]: odi lol
hyperpape: Yeah, John Fairbairn wrote about the census. 
hobajons [-\]: mystic fountain op
hobajons [-\]: lol
hyperpape: Obviously, they don't literally count players--it's based on statistics. 
ShindouSai [5d?\]: f10 
germgo [-\]: c12 d11 b11 e10
hhvdcvdfa: there are 34 people in my village, why wouldnt u count
hhvdcvdfa: derp
liptos [4k\]: hmm any way to eliminate eye in w structure?
MaLa [3d\]: and ho those are made differs from statistic to statistc...
Backseeed [4d\]: e10, then e12
Backseeed [4d\]: give 3 stones
maher139 [1k\]: doesn't c12 work for white?
ashkatriz [-\]: oh ffs this kibitz
backpack1 [2d\]: impossible to kill
MaLa [3d\]: like in germany i heard numbers ranging from 4k to 50k go players...
backpack1 [2d\]: w has j7
pwaldron [-\]: black G10 possible now?
weiqi5 [5k\]: 4k to 50k? no dan players? >;-)
germgo [-\]: backseed then connect d13
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;B[bh]C[palapiku [-\]: i'm 50k
MaLa [3d\]: 4k is the number of dan players!
tas6466 [5k?\]: yep
DChou [-\]: wow, let for 10 minutes
]
;W[rj]C[MaLa [3d\]: and the remaining 46k are are kyu!
DChou [-\]: and ....
liptos [4k\]: b12? huh?
BOThater36 [4d\]: DChou..
]
;B[si]
;W[gb]
;B[jd]C[Kayres [3d?\]: b12 is pretty big
]
;W[jo]
;B[jp]
;W[jc]C[hhvdcvdfa: black is making comeback it looks like?
]
;B[ia]
;W[hb]
;B[ib]C[palapiku [-\]: i'd love to know how b feels about his ko threat
DChou [-\]: bothater how are you
MaLa [3d\]: well... he knew his threat when he started the ko...
Kayres [3d?\]: o thats weird. why didnt he take ko
liptos [4k\]: hmm be can monkey jump a15 
MaLa [3d\]: so i guess he was confident about it
]
;W[se]C[ashkatriz [-\]: b isn\\t losing 
ashkatriz [-\]: who said b lost
ashkatriz [-\]: ffs
]
;B[dg]C[Kayres [3d?\]: b12 is big because w had both c12 and b12 in sente, liptos
ShindouSai [5d?\]: b is losing
Backseeed [4d\]: also there was a cut
liptos [4k\]: ah i see
woodrose [1d\]: wow what happened
hhvdcvdfa: b was down after white captured like 8 stones, looks like he is slightly coming back
]
;W[bg]C[maher139 [1k\]: lets just say there was a ko
hhvdcvdfa: still in favor of w
tas6466 [5k?\]: iteresting choice
]
;B[fj]C[ashkatriz [-\]: it's really close
liptos [4k\]: here we go, can he remove the eye?
ThiGar [4k\]: good move!
maher139 [1k\]: this game shows just how fearsome kos can be
gogonuts [5d\]: unless f10 is a miracle move w roughly by komi
herissondu [4d\]: kill! kill! kill!
]
;W[fk]C[herissondu [4d\]: f11
liptos [4k\]: yea f11
BOThater36 [4d\]: Odnihs & DChou coming to So. Cal Open?
ashkatriz [-\]: g7 though..
DChou [-\]: not me
]
;B[fi]C[odnihs [5d\]: nope
BOThater36 [4d\]: bad bad bad
tas6466 [5k?\]: e12
ashkatriz [-\]: w won't die but b gains 
woodrose [1d\]: IS W ALIVE?
maher139 [1k\]: you should try reading it out
odnihs [5d\]: I'd love  
ThiGar [4k\]: only one eye in corner
odnihs [5d\]: to though
]
;W[gj]C[DChou [-\]: why didn't white play f11
]
;B[fh]C[ShindouSai [5d?\]: w's alive
woodrose [1d\]: yeh
DChou [-\]: ooooh
DChou [-\]: i c
buu [3d\]: yup
weiqi5 [5k\]: g8?
maher139 [1k\]: g7
DChou [-\]: g7 is sente
]
;W[gm]C[ashkatriz [-\]: :|
MaLa [3d\]: h8
DChou [-\]: yay calle dit
maher139 [1k\]: i said it first ;o
ashkatriz [-\]: scroll up, i called it first c:
DChou [-\]: :P
maher139 [1k\]: second then ;p
]
;B[gn]C[Murmures [7k?\]: It's okay guys, you all won. :p
gogonuts [5d\]: was too thin to kill
wuwei [4k\]: the first to call gets 100 KGS points
ashkatriz [-\]: can i get a cookie instead
DChou [-\]: h8
Wirtuoosi [4d?\]: h8 alive in sente?
reprisal [2d\]: too bad about the rampant inflatio of kgs points
buu [3d\]: kids that is why u have to do more problems
]
;W[hl]C[palapiku [-\]: still b reduced some points i guess...
MaLa [3d\]: not sente
reprisal [2d\]: the exchange rate is 1.573 million kgs points/cookie right now
DChou [-\]: sente
Backseeed [4d\]: it is sente
maher139 [1k\]: k7 
maher139 [1k\]: ?
]
;B[im]C[gogonuts [5d\]: but b has to play the last move
DChou [-\]: e11
flurpel [2d\]: w+10?
ashkatriz [-\]: lol that's worse than the CAD/USD exchange rate
flurpel [2d\]: ish
]
;W[di]C[BOThater36 [4d\]: what is the exchange rate between bitcoin and KGS point?
BigDoug [-\]: no more about the KGS pooints please
DChou [-\]: cool 
]
;B[ch]C[pwaldron [-\]: don't think black gained much there to give up sente
DChou [-\]: i think like calvin
DChou [-\]: i'm happy
]
;W[rf]
;B[fm]
;W[gl]
;B[fn]
;W[fl]
;B[de]
;W[eb]C[HolySmoke [1k\]: l11
liptos [4k\]: L11?
gogonuts [5d\]: w might win without komi
odnihs [5d\]: \\o/
]
;B[aq]
;W[ar]C[palapiku [-\]: :(
]
;B[ap]
;W[br]C[DChou [-\]: j6
DChou [-\]: r12
MaLa [3d\]: so w did it again
flurpel [2d\]: this clavin is too strong
]
;B[sg]C[zen [2d\]: s12 ko
DChou [-\]: awww
hobajons [-\]: black won by a lot
MaLa [3d\]: screws up badly
zen [2d\]: aw
hobajons [-\]: :(
DChou [-\]: black saw r12
]
;W[qh]C[Backseeed [4d\]: black playing that ko was really a game changer
MaLa [3d\]: to come back in golry
maher139 [1k\]: b loses?
ashkatriz [-\]: it's around b:w 73: 64
JesusTeAma [3k\]: outch 
hobajons [-\]: yeah...
BOThater36 [4d\]: W 57, B 68 before komi
]
;B[sh]C[hobajons [-\]: calvin lost
gogonuts [5d\]: b will be very unhappy - both because it was so important, anf the way it happened
hobajons [-\]: black won
ashkatriz [-\]: ^
Backseeed [4d\]: but he still has a chance
]
;W[oa]
;B[na]
;W[pa]C[Backseeed [4d\]: playing against bill lin
liptos [4k\]: hobajons is hobawrongs
ShindouSai [5d?\]: proof that all u people were using SE until now
]
;B[lb]
;W[ki]
;B[kn]C[Backseeed [4d\]: if bill lin comes into finals, will it start from 0:0 or 1:0 ?
ashkatriz [-\]: you cant even use SE
MaLa [3d\]: depends who he plays
koogle [9k\]: se no work aga
]
;W[jm]C[ShindouSai [5d?\]: not in aga games
Backseeed [4d\]: calvin
]
;B[if]C[MaLa [3d\]: against gan 0-0
MaLa [3d\]: calvin 1-0
flurpel [2d\]: did b really win?
]
;W[jf]C[Quaxi [5k\]: b still playing?
hobajons [-\]: ya
ShindouSai [5d?\]: mhm
ashkatriz [-\]: well i counted kinda roughly 
ashkatriz [-\]: but i think so
yunoo: b+4 i got
]
;B[fe]C[flurpel [2d\]: i thought it was like b+5 on board
hobajons [-\]: unless white plays super well
]
;W[oo]
;B[oq]
;W[io]C[palapiku [-\]: komi 7.5
]
;B[ho]C[flurpel [2d\]: ik
ashkatriz [-\]: final score, komi included, b probably wins 1.5
gogonuts [5d\]: awesome unless :-)
]
;W[ge]C[yunoo: then b+3
]
;B[fd]
;W[ee]
;B[ef]
;W[ec]
;B[eh]
;W[ek]
;B[sf]
;W[re]C[Lsugyen [6d\]: close, but I think w will win, of course my counting sucks
ashkatriz [-\]: <-- too lazy to count again
Kayres [3d?\]: d1
]
;B[lm]C[MaLa [3d\]: no matter who wins, for sure an incredible game by both
ashkatriz [-\]: go jianing :p
JesusTeAma [3k\]: calvin eat too many stones 
MaLa [3d\]: fun to watch
gogonuts [5d\]: w, but close
]
;W[ds]C[twoody [3k\]: S.E says about w+20
]
;B[ln]
;W[ll]C[flurpel [2d\]: clavin pls :(
gogonuts [5d\]: se doesnt do aga
]
;B[ag]
;W[af]
;B[ah]C[palapiku [-\]: i hope they remember to fill dame...
]
;W[es]C[sorpikurt [7k?\]: w+20 is japanese
croc [4d\]: b wins, Lsugyen, bsed on mine sucky count
Detroit [?\]: they use japanese counting for this
twoody [3k\]: Ohhhh thats right
hobajons [-\]: white 63 black 70
twoody [3k\]: Thank you gonuts.
hobajons [-\]: black won by like 5 or so
]
;B[fr]C[ShindouSai [5d?\]: b 68
ShindouSai [5d?\]: 67
ShindouSai [5d?\]: now
]
;W[ha]
;B[eo]
;W[gd]
;B[ff]C[Goreon [2d\]: view offline --- options --- rules --- set to japanese --- adjust komi to 6.5 --- apply SE
BOThater36 [4d\]: SHin, didnt i say it 30 move before? :-)
maher139 [1k\]: im counting w about 73 b about 66
pwaldron [-\]: not k16?
x0000 [-\]: w+3
]
;W[jd]C[ShindouSai [5d?\]: b 64
tas6466 [5k?\]: 7.5 ...
croc [4d\]: w 62
palapiku [-\]: why is SE wrong for aga? is it double counting the prisoners or something?
]
;B[jj]C[Detroit [?\]: 4. Japanese style counting will be used for ALL games. 
ShindouSai [5d?\]: wait no
]
;W[jl]C[flurpel [2d\]: doesn't w have 71.5 with komi?
ashkatriz [-\]: OKAY WHATEVER just watch
ShindouSai [5d?\]: 53
]
;B[sm]
;W[rh]
;B[sk]C[ShindouSai [5d?\]: lol
]
;W[le]C[hobajons [-\]: black +4.5
croc [4d\]: b+ 1
]
;B[hn]C[ThiGar [4k\]: w's prisonners make the difference
buu [3d\]: lol
]
;W[gf]C[BOThater36 [4d\]: DO they play this fast now?
]
;B[gh]
;W[jh]
;B[gg]
;W[in]C[DChou [-\]: why not
maher139 [1k\]: just fillling dame
palapiku [-\]: filling dame is pretty quick
]
;B[jk]C[donner [?\]: b cannot give the komi
]
;W[ie]
;B[he]C[ShindouSai [5d?\]: w lost
gogonuts [5d\]: half pointer w? this is insane
ashkatriz [-\]: wait are they counting korean or jap
]
;W[ri]C[MaLa [3d\]: selfatari always possible!
]
;B[od]C[woodrose [1d\]: some dames are better than others
yorugua [6k\]: w+1.5
]
;W[ej]C[maher139 [1k\]: they're counting aga?
BOThater36 [4d\]: Calvin used to win 0.5 since US OPen last Summer
yorugua [6k\]: yes
buu [3d\]: gg self atari
x0000 [-\]: w+3
flurpel [2d\]: b+2.5 or 3.5 :(
JesusTeAma [3k\]: white got damezumari :)
odnihs [5d\]: w+1.5
ashkatriz [-\]: well what does aga use
Fredda [-\]: w+1, 5-2,5
USGO1 [-\]: we are counting
MaLa [3d\]: counting is hard
ShindouSai [5d?\]: yea w is winning with komi
Vinicius [1d\]: 2.5
maher139 [1k\]: w wins
MaLa [3d\]: game is finished and ppl cant agree
ShindouSai [5d?\]: b 53
Goreon [2d\]: 1.5?
flurpel [2d\]: i think we all suck
BOThater36 [4d\]: love Calvin but money on B
hume [4k\]: lol
odnihs [5d\]: calvin wonnnnn
pwaldron [-\]: 185.5 - 183 for white
ShindouSai [5d?\]: w is winning by 5.5 i think
odnihs [5d\]: woooo
ashkatriz [-\]: no but idk if komi's 6.5 or 7.5
weiqi5 [5k\]: good to see you dan players also have problems with counting! :-\]
Quaxi [5k\]: how are the rules for counting different from japanese?
flurpel [2d\]: 7.5
buu [3d\]: cmon
maher139 [1k\]: its 7.5
gogonuts [5d\]: lol hater
USGO1 [-\]: w+1.5
buu [3d\]: usgo
ShindouSai [5d?\]: komi is 7.5
koogle [9k\]: thanks USGO
buu [3d\]: see
Lsugyen [6d\]: xD
flurpel [2d\]: holy
maher139 [1k\]: oooooooo
ShindouSai [5d?\]: so w wins by 5.5
odnihs [5d\]: YAY CALVIN
gogonuts [5d\]: thx
BOThater36 [4d\]: wow!
maher139 [1k\]: yaaaaa
flurpel [2d\]: gg clavin
yunoo: jeez, i hate counting^^
palapiku [-\]: gg
maher139 [1k\]: WOOO
whalian [10k?\]: Good game
gogonuts [5d\]: oh man
odnihs [5d\]: MUCH FRIENDSHIP
ashkatriz [-\]: LOL i got 1.5 right doe
maher139 [1k\]: good game really
ShindouSai [5d?\]: calvin wins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wxhyhf1995 [1d\]: thx,gg
buu [3d\]: tear
gogonuts [5d\]: thats rough
hjhjkhjkhj: thx USG01
Lsugyen [6d\]: that was exactly my count!
tathan [5k?\]: thank you USGO
BOThater36 [4d\]: no kidding
ShindouSai [5d?\]: thanks usgo!
maher139 [1k\]: calvin sun gonna be next pro fo sho
USGO1 [-\]: Thanks very much and join us tonight for the first game between bill lin and gan jianing
kljlkj: thks
BigDoug [-\]: nice job USGO1
odnihs [5d\]: mystic fountain op
ThiGar [4k\]: w+1.5 official?
maher139 [1k\]: yeah
MaLa [3d\]: insane!
MaLa [3d\]: and awesome
cgarlock [2k\]: thanks Andrew, great job
kermit81 [12k?\]: wow.
croc [4d\]: if b played G-2 before starting the ko in center, b may have won?
kermit81 [12k?\]: thanks all
USGO1 [-\]: thanks Chris!
twoody [3k\]: Thank you, USGO1. 
USGO1 [-\]: :) see you all tonight!
BOThater36 [4d\]: Andrew J is the BEST BEST
hume [4k\]: thnax 
DChou [-\]: yes andrew j is the best
chagi [2k?\]: thank you USGo
BOThater36 [4d\]: DChou will be in this tourney next year
DChou [-\]: i'm too old
DChou [-\]: i'm twice the age of these kids
BOThater36 [4d\]: so Calvin is 1 game away from being pro?
Lsugyen [6d\]: triple mine DChou
buu [3d\]: how does the tournament format work
DChou [-\]: yeah yeah way to beat a man when he's down
yunoo: http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-results-2013
buu [3d\]: thx
ogogog [5k\]: Thanks
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