(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[5400]OT[5x40 byo-yomi]
GN[2nd AGA Pro Qualifications - Jianing Gan(b) vs. Calvin Sun(w)]PW[Calvin Sun]PB[Jianing Gan]WR[7d]BR[7d]DT[2014-01-04]EV[2nd AGA Professional Qualifications]RO[4A-2]PC[The Hotel Normandie, Los Angeles, CA]US[Andrew Jackson]C[USGO1 [-\]: Hello and welcome once again to the 2nd AGA Pro Qualification Tournament!
USGO1 [-\]: I'm andrew jackson and i'll be your recorder this evening
USGO1 [-\]: This is the 2nd of the 3-game set between Gan Jianing & Calvin Sun in the semi finals!
USGO1 [-\]: As per usual so far, I will be unable to see your comments once the game begins, so please feel free to copy and paste this information to latecomers, or direct them to the AGA website
USGO1 [-\]: http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-results-2013
USGO1 [-\]: It's 10 minutes to the game start and we're waiting for people to filter in.
HKA [2d\]: the aga webpage says Calvin is out if he loses this game
HKA [2d\]: I thought he would be just put in the loser bracket
TitanPupil [1k\]: itsa  best of three match; calvin is trying to force a 3rd game, while gan is trying to end the matches with a sweet
TitanPupil [1k\]: sweep*
USGO1 [-\]: Huh!  Not sure who's updating the site, but that's mistaken; Calvin hasn't lost yet and it's a double elimination
TitanPupil [1k\]: hi robert
TitanPupil [1k\]: oh
nickBlake [?\]: He should be put in the loser's bracket.
USGO1 [-\]: so if calvin loses, he'll face the winner of the current bottom bracket game
HKA [2d\]: so, if we refer them to the AGA webpage
HKA [2d\]: they get bad info
HKA [2d\]: just saying
USGO1 [-\]: psst, it's the "lower bracket" not the "losers bracket"
RobertT [-\]: its best of 3 so whoever loses the 3 game series goes to losers bracket
xDragon [?\]: i mentioned that in the aga room
TitanPupil [1k\]: wait whats the bad info?
USGO1 [-\]: can you send me the link with the bad information?  I'll see if we can get it fixed
xDragon [?\]: saying that calvin will be eliminated if he loses
xDragon [?\]: in the ejournal
TitanPupil [1k\]: oh
HKA [2d\]: its the first thing on the AGA home page
HKA [2d\]: you know I am a luddite
TitanPupil [1k\]: if he loses he still has a chance to be a pro?
HKA [2d\]: but not hard to find
xDragon [?\]: yes he just enters the bottom bracket
USGO1 [-\]: >_< i'll find out who's writing the e-journal stories these days
TitanPupil [1k\]: haha thanks
nickBlake [?\]: On the link Andrew posted it has the correct information though.
xDragon [?\]: this is the winners bracket. bill lin vs andrew lu is in the losers bracket
nickBlake [?\]: Garlock needs to work on his vetting if articles are making it directly to the homepage :P
HKA [2d\]: Andrew says direct them to the AGA website as an option, not a good option
nickBlake [?\]: I assume he was referring to the AGA hosted site that he posted right after.
HKA [2d\]: "Calvin must win tonight to keep his hopes alive"
TitanPupil [1k\]: of becoming an AGA Pro
HKA [2d\]: finishing the quote TP, you dont mind if I call you TP, thanks
TitanPupil [1k\]: i dont mind
nickBlake [?\]: Right. The USGO homepage has incorrect information because it has a direct feed from E-journal which has misinformation. However the AGA link that he posted in the room has the correct information.
HKA [2d\]: the pellet with the poison is in the flagan with the dragon, the chalice from the palace has the brew that is true
USGO1 [-\]: http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-results-2013
USGO1 [-\]: ok, Jeff is making one final announcement clarifying the adjournment process
nickBlake [?\]: What time are they allowed to seal? 7pm?
USGO1 [-\]: HKA: please direct folks to that link i posted, thanks :)
SuiKage [1d\]: mm hope calvin wins
USGO1 [-\]: I sent an e-mail to Chris to get it corrected
USGO1 [-\]: Thanks!
USGO1 [-\]: We're getting started
xDragon [?\]: if calvin wins this game the 3rd game would be tomorrow morning, yes?
USGO1 [-\]: thanks & see you at the end.
TitanPupil [1k\]: thank you
xDragon [?\]: can you keep the times updated?
HKA [2d\]: sorry, you said " or direct the to the AGA website"
xDragon [?\]: on their clocks
HKA [2d\]: so sorry I checked
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[pd]
;W[dp]
;B[qp]
;W[dc]
;B[fq]C[jungle [22k?\]: here we go again
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;W[cn]C[jungle [22k?\]: c6 m3 r10 
xDragon [?\]: going down the only road weve ever known
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;B[lq]C[herissondu [4d\]: ooooh
TitanPupil [1k\]: micro chinese
herissondu [4d\]: best of 3 now?
nickBlake [?\]: Yea
herissondu [4d\]: the first one doesn't count?
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;W[nc]C[DrwsyClown [-\]: heya
xDragon [?\]: of course it counts
mooooo [6k?\]: wasnt last game just like this?
nickBlake [?\]: It counts.
TitanPupil [1k\]: if calvin sun wins this then you could say it 'doesnt count'
herissondu [4d\]: the previous one i mea
herissondu [4d\]: n
DrwsyClown [-\]: it always count, the pressure is the thing that changes
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;B[qf]C[xDragon [?\]: ye swe know what you mean
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;W[jd]C[DrwsyClown [-\]: first game in BO3 is much less pressure than last game
jungle [22k?\]: d15 
herissondu [4d\]: so sun must win this one
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;B[cf]C[xDragon [?\]: yes or he loses the best of 3 and moves to losers bracket
nickBlake [?\]: If he loses will be dropped to the lower bracket. 
DrwsyClown [-\]: standard kobayashi vs micro so far
Bloar: d15 considered not good with stone at k16
GotopiaTV [?\]: playing kobayashi , to old for these days
nickBlake [?\]: While Gan will move to grand finals.
hontono [1d\]: What a Sun of a Gan.
herissondu [4d\]: calvin must shine
jungle [22k?\]: d15 
herissondu [4d\]: hmm, i missed the joke
Sweetrip [9d\]: gan jianing improved a lot
nickBlake [?\]: Sure looks that way.
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;W[de]
;B[bd]C[yunoo: peacefull fuseki so far
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;W[ch]C[TitanPupil [1k\]: :)
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;B[df]
;W[ce]C[DrwsyClown [-\]: standard so far ;)
maher139 [1k\]: will change soon
jungle [22k?\]: never understood this joseki 
herissondu [4d\]: nice opening
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;B[be]
;W[cc]C[jungle [22k?\]: especially with a stone at k16
herissondu [4d\]: no need to understant
herissondu [4d\]: d*
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;B[bg]
;W[ef]
;B[dh]
;W[eg]
;B[di]C[nickBlake [?\]: Is D11 standard over C11?
flurpel [2d\]: i believe in clavin
hontono [1d\]: So you're Calvinist?
herissondu [4d\]: yep
kmr [1d\]: O17-K16-D17 is Kobayashi Koichi formation - there was time when it was very very popular if i correctly remember
herissondu [4d\]: because with c11, w can play e12 sente
hume [4k\]: i'm Gan dhian
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;W[ig]C[SirEttin [1d\]: nice moyo
jungle [22k?\]: i dont think kobayashi played it often as white
herissondu [4d\]: i want to play a tournameeeeeent
DrwsyClown [-\]: j13 a bit early imo
xDragon [?\]: it was popular cause kobayashi wouldnt stop playing it
SirEttin [1d\]: m17 or q18?
humppa [3d?\]: he was #1 in the world so obviously people will imitate
DrwsyClown [-\]: q10 is tasty area
ElNino [1d?\]: m17 is the correct move
jungle [22k?\]: this moves reminds me of f12 of last game
RobertT [-\]: "the correct move"
jungle [22k?\]: close the moyo early
Bloar: now m17?
Wood44 [2k\]: y
DrwsyClown [-\]: I think m17 is a bit early too
maher139 [1k\]: m17 seems like bad timing
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;B[lc]C[herissondu [4d\]: lol
DrwsyClown [-\]: oh well
TitanPupil [1k\]: lol
ElNino [1d?\]: m17 is pro move
yoyoma [1d\]: maher's comment was bad timing
Wood44 [2k\]: lee chang ho would say only available move
TitanPupil [1k\]: lol
TuLy [5k\]: ô_ô
herissondu [4d\]: usually w plays o15 to rpevent m17
DrwsyClown [-\]: yeah
herissondu [4d\]: so without o15, it seems legit to play m17
maher139 [1k\]: pros don't play it with j13 there? dunno haven't studied any pro games before
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: w kinda has to k17 here
jungle [22k?\]: k17 ?
blitztrain [2d\]: if b wins he is in the finals?
jungle [22k?\]: yes
yunoo: you dont want this moyo going too big
RobertT [-\]: m17 is common, other common ideas are q9 or f5
herissondu [4d\]: k17 seems only move to me
herissondu [4d\]: but i'm wrong 90% of the time :-)
DrwsyClown [-\]: well if w k17 here m17 becomes a good move, so maybe w will try something else (else j13 becomes a bad move, o15 instead)
ghx [2k\]: how is it stronger than k18?
Meepy [-\]: n16!
RobertT [-\]: k17 or m16 are the usual choices
herissondu [4d\]: why clown?
DrwsyClown [-\]: I think m16 is better
herissondu [4d\]: k17 is one of the standard answers
maher139 [1k\]: but j13 isn't a standard move
maher139 [1k\]: so it's different
maher139 [1k\]: ?
DrwsyClown [-\]: yeah but k17 makes j13 looks weird don't you think?
herissondu [4d\]: i don't know maher
maher139 [1k\]: just throwing out my idea
herissondu [4d\]: i don't knooooow
bootmii [25k\]: this is worse than move 162 of whatever game
jungle [22k?\]: n16 
Bloar: k17 looks slow imo
bootmii [25k\]: i mean the volume of kibitz
herissondu [4d\]: k17 isn't sloooooow
Bloar: ^_^
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: letting black into j17 area would make j13 look worst
RobertT [-\]: m16 gives up territory for a lot of influence, k17 takes territory but gives blaack influence
herissondu [4d\]: uka is soooo right
bootmii [25k\]: why won't they tell us how much time remains?
DrwsyClown [-\]: it's not about slow, it just seems to me that if w plays j13, he's got something else than k17 in mind
Bloar: well yes, w does not want to waste j13
herissondu [4d\]: clown, the influence would make j13 wierd
herissondu [4d\]: over concentrated
herissondu [4d\]: and pretty useless
herissondu [4d\]: so, your answer?
maher139 [1k\]: mmm if j13 at o15, what  becomes standard then?
hontono [1d\]: Super exciting O15 coming up
DrwsyClown [-\]: well see it the other way around, imagine j13 isn't here
DrwsyClown [-\]: then k17 in answer to m17
DrwsyClown [-\]: would you play j13 after?
DrwsyClown [-\]: I wouldn't play it till like later in midgame, maybe late midgame
herissondu [4d\]: yep
herissondu [4d\]: but making a 5 stones wall
Mysto [?\]: would be very concerned if W didnt make anything on the top side
RobertT [-\]: 2 main choices are, b gets m18 territory but white gets wall running along p15 and q13 area. the other choice is white gets l17 area territory but black gets wall running elong o 15 area
herissondu [4d\]: with a 2 space extension
herissondu [4d\]: would be veeeery bad
herissondu [4d\]: don't you think?
xDragon [?\]: andrew lu is trying to pull a trick play on bill lin lol
SirEttin [1d\]: q17
herissondu [4d\]: but i understand your point of view, maybe j13 was bad after all and m17 is a goo punishment
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: ya, if you chose m16 variation, then you never make an extension like j13
shinkertif [1k\]: wouldnt be better o15 istead of j13 for w?
DrwsyClown [-\]: I think you're right about m16 too
DrwsyClown [-\]: :/
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: i think if w wants to fight then o15 might be a choice
maher139 [1k\]: what about, w plays something none of us were expecting and creates a new fuseki
maher139 [1k\]: haha that'd be weird
RobertT [-\]: o15 is bad, black k17 just lives
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: but if w chooses a common variation then i think only k17 can make j13 look ok
yunoo: n16?
yunoo: to fight
herissondu [4d\]: ah, o15 is interesting
herissondu [4d\]: making good use of j13 maybe
RobertT [-\]: the problem in this shape is if white plays anything in the o15 area, black k17 attach lives locally
DrwsyClown [-\]: unless its a sente move
herissondu [4d\]: black punished w's foolishness
RobertT [-\]: ya, thats wy sometimes white plays q17 to try to trick a sente split
maher139 [1k\]: so what is the standard move instead of j13?
forecast [4k\]: w nice joseki choice
jungle [22k?\]: h3 
DrwsyClown [-\]: what are unusual moves for unusual situations ;) 
bootmii [25k\]: how long does it take to move?!?!?!?
maher139 [1k\]: he has 90 minutes main time
maher139 [1k\]: so
maher139 [1k\]: as long as 90 minutes
death101 [1k\]: how ever long they take
bootmii [25k\]: but it's not counting down
maher139 [1k\]: it's a demo
death101 [1k\]: its a demo
RobertT [-\]: this is a broadcast of a game being played on a real board
xDragon [?\]: is there any strong player that wants to help us with whats going on on board 2
Thumb [3d\]: It's relayed live from Jupiter. Stones are heavy.
RobertT [-\]: board 2 he played a trickplay and got refuted
herissondu [4d\]: well it's not over
TitanPupil [1k\]: haha thanks robert
Draconian [1d\]: underestimating move?
jungle [22k?\]: q15 r15 p16 q17 k17 
bootmii [25k\]: how do we know how much time is left for the players in the tournament?
xDragon [?\]: we dont know unless the scribe tells us
bootmii [25k\]: b micro chinese on the bottom
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;W[kb]C[RobertT [-\]: both options were bad so white come up with door number 3
bootmii [25k\]: finally!
SirEttin [1d\]: did anyone call this move
bootmii [25k\]: no one?
RobertT [-\]: no, this is a new move only played in this game
SirEttin [1d\]: pro move?
Ritm [2k\]: W 10p
Cos [3k?\]: i like it
bootmii [25k\]: i guess we'll never understand high-dan moves
flurpel [2d\]: calvin is a genius
RobertT [-\]: calvin trying to fight his way out of a bad situation ;p
Bloar: l18 looks cool
TitanPupil [1k\]: l18 is cool
Draconian [1d\]: sun-san plays san-san in sunny day
maher139 [1k\]: but at least l18 uses his stones better than a move at say k17 would
flurpel [2d\]: basically shusaku
shinkertif [1k\]: jianing made it well in this tournament so far
herissondu [4d\]: hmmm
herissondu [4d\]: interesting
herissondu [4d\]: i would tenuki as b
ad4: j13 reminds me of f12 from previous game
RobertT [-\]: maher, k17 is one of the standard moves. its just bad here because black gets a sente wall at o16 then expands to the right side
jungle [22k?\]: i said the exact same thing
bootmii [25k\]: why were we predictiong something in the vicinity of o15 earlier
jungle [22k?\]: wtf
Sweetrip [9d\]: l18 and j13 are not good
shinkertif [1k\]: o16 looks good for b
maher139 [1k\]: yeah, i know normally it's good, but it's not here 
Sweetrip [9d\]: 2 moves to surround less than ten points, considering that white already has about 15 on top without making any protecting moves
herissondu [4d\]: ahah
kmr [1d\]: white will end overconcentrated in G16 area almost for sure imho
herissondu [4d\]: sweetrip i love you
maher139 [1k\]: what would you have done instead of j13?
Cos [3k?\]: the 1p has spoken
RobertT [-\]: sweetrip, would you play right side instead of j13?
DrwsyClown [-\]: b can tenuki too
herissondu [4d\]: b should tenuki i think
kmr [1d\]: b Q9  seems nice move
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;B[lb]C[Cos [3k?\]: O:
herissondu [4d\]: i've never been so wrong
shinkertif [1k\]: i tseetrip please keep the commentary :)
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;W[md]C[herissondu [4d\]: bam
yunoo: here we go
ad4: >D
bootmii [25k\]: w has bad shape
RobertT [-\]: when you have no good moves, start a fight and hope for the best lol
herissondu [4d\]: "i've already thought of thatt move,  you're doomed"
maher139 [1k\]: what would you do if you got caught up in a bad situation? of course start a fight and hope everything works out
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;B[jc]C[Draconian [1d\]: 9d but unhappy
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;W[ic]C[Cos [3k?\]: wtf is black doing
RobertT [-\]: living locally
death101 [1k\]: smoking ciggerette
ad4: :D
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;B[kc]C[Draconian [1d\]: pros smoke puro
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;W[id]C[herissondu [4d\]: nice nice
maher139 [1k\]: hmm
Demon [3d\]: go calvin!
bootmii [25k\]: they smoke puroresu?
maher139 [1k\]: did w get a nice result from this?
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;B[ib]C[death101 [1k\]: yes
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;W[hb]C[shinkertif [1k\]: i think so
yunoo: L18 still a waste
Draconian [1d\]: j13 too
herissondu [4d\]: cut cut
ad4: j13 :D
RobertT [-\]: this result is slightly better than if white played n16 directly
forecast [4k\]: w better get sente out og this
Draconian [1d\]: :p
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;B[ke]C[herissondu [4d\]: gan is strong
Draconian [1d\]: og?
xDragon [?\]: gan the only one who hasnt lost a game yet
forecast [4k\]: of..
ad4: xxD
Sweetrip [9d\]: black probably should have jumped at q18 instead of rescuing his stone
Cos [3k?\]: has Sun lost?
Sweetrip [9d\]: the exchange already was very profitable
iwin [2k\]: sun is still playing
bootmii [25k\]: l15 is big
Cos [3k?\]: not that kind of lost
Cos [3k?\]: lost a game in the tournament
maher139 [1k\]: yeah
shinkertif [1k\]: sun kost the first game
death101 [1k\]: who di
death101 [1k\]: did
Cos [3k?\]: ah i see i see thx
atarithis [-\]: i like b's position better here
maher139 [1k\]: did he lose to gan before this and this is the best 2 of 3?
DrwsyClown [-\]: yea
xDragon [?\]: gan won game 1
xDragon [?\]: so if gan wins this game he moves on to the finals
shinkertif [1k\]: for tournament results
shinkertif [1k\]: http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-results-2013
ad4: i hope he wins
maher139 [1k\]: but if he loses then there's another game between the two
xDragon [?\]: calvin has to win this game and the next game to make it to the finals
DrwsyClown [-\]: I hope gan wins :P
MaLa [3d\]: so m15?
maher139 [1k\]: go sun!
MaLa [3d\]: ^^
bootmii [25k\]: ko seki is big
koogle [10k\]: once you become pro, what happens next?
xDragon [?\]: andy said that gan has gotten a lot stronger since last pro exam and he barely missed it then
MaLa [3d\]: you eat something
ad4: gan is a she?
MaLa [3d\]: make a party, etc
yunoo: bite the corner and jump?
ad4: i cant find anything about these players
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;W[pc]C[DrwsyClown [-\]: I think once you're pro you can't play amateur tournaments anymore, and you are granted acces to pro tournaments in korea (but you'll get sandbagged)
death101 [1k\]: lol
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: i dont think ull get sandbagged, just owned
koogle [10k\]: torture never ends
ad4: yeah
DrwsyClown [-\]: :P
MaLa [3d\]: aren't the big tourneys in the US open to pros?
fc [1d\]: i don't think there is a rule that prohibits you from entering amateur tournaments
DrwsyClown [-\]: oh I think it is
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;B[qc]C[fc [1d\]: but usually it isn't worthwhile
maher139 [1k\]: but if you get pro then you hace chances to play against top pros in the tournament to learn from
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;W[od]C[DrwsyClown [-\]: in europe too I think
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: ya, there r still plenty of open tournaments
maher139 [1k\]: have*
fc [1d\]: no money in amateur
koogle [10k\]: ama contest usually has "open' section?
fc [1d\]: guo juan 5p entered european championship a couple of times
fc [1d\]: although she wasn't active pro
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;B[pb]C[MaLa [3d\]: that's the keypoint ;)
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;W[ob]C[iwin [2k\]: oh0
sedgwick [?\]: Of coure Myungwan Kim 0P win the US open several times
sedgwick [?\]: 9p
koogle [10k\]: 0p :)
RobertT [-\]: there is an exception for pros living outside of asia since there aren't as many tournaments
bootmii [25k\]: myungwan kim is tartrate
DrwsyClown [-\]: oh okk
nanotech [2k\]: c14 good ko food
bootmii [25k\]: ko ko ko ko ko ko ko ko ko ko ko ko ko ko ko ko ko ko ko ko ko ko ko ko ko ko ko ko ko ko ko ko ko ko ko ko ko ko
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;B[le]C[Cos [3k?\]: dont spam please
MaLa [3d\]: c14 isn't that awesome to play as kothreats..
koogle [10k\]: with a name like that...
MaLa [3d\]: it loses quite some aji
Bloar: w seems unhappy to me
MaLa [3d\]: so white would prefer to avoid that
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: well u can play c9 as a ko threat
jungle [22k?\]: c14 is impossible to play
Cos [3k?\]: not for chuck norris
DrwsyClown [-\]: he means that b got more threat than w in that fuseki
atarithis [-\]: that w position on the upper left is a game-loser
atarithis [-\]: too many stones there too soon
herissondu [4d\]: is he saying "i'll win this ko"?
DrwsyClown [-\]: he better is!
GotopiaTV [?\]: sure white will jump out
MaLa [3d\]: such kosituations are so tricky
MaLa [3d\]: :(
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;W[pe]
;B[qd]C[Sweetrip [9d\]: r16 m13 n14 p14 n13 r15
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;W[qb]C[jungle [22k?\]: nope
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;B[oc]
;W[dg]
;B[cg]
;W[pc]C[GotopiaTV [?\]: w ignores everything
yunoo: m13? kind of thin, not?
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;B[pf]C[nanotech [2k\]: b can not fight ko.....
GotopiaTV [?\]: o14 maybe
atarithis [-\]: b wants a wall more than the ko
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;W[pa]C[Pennylane [4d\]: taking the ko is big but b's follow up ispretty huge too
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;B[lh]C[atarithis [-\]: big moyo
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;W[mf]C[forecast [4k\]: that was fast
goth [?\]: too big
maher139 [1k\]: probably means he read it out before he took the ko
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;B[kg]C[koogle [10k\]: can a moyo be too big?
MaLa [3d\]: surely
DaedDragon [3k\]: koogle: definitely! Then your opponent can live inside!
nanotech [2k\]: o13?
atarithis [-\]: invadable, yes, but not too big
GotopiaTV [?\]: depends on individual definition
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: too big usually means that its so open that you cant solidify much of it and your opponent will invade multiple times
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;W[qk]C[Ukasuhs [5d?\]: like so, this can hardly be called an invasion
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: more like a wedge
koogle [10k\]: i thought the idea of moyo was to unvite invasion and profit from struggle to live small?
koogle [10k\]: invite*
MaLa [3d\]: depends
DaedDragon [3k\]: that's one idea!
jungle [22k?\]: q8 
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;B[qm]C[maher139 [1k\]: but if you're moyo is so huge, then it becomes hard to even attack properly i think
DrwsyClown [-\]: q8 too easy on w
DrwsyClown [-\]: b wants to push w a bit above to get more moves
getbetter [?\]: q8 is a good move
DrwsyClown [-\]: I didnt say it was bad, I just think it's too easy on w
Achiles [2k?\]: q8 makes b rich
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;W[pi]C[DrwsyClown [-\]: b got q14 for nothing if b q8
forecast [4k\]: why did b approach from below?
GotopiaTV [?\]: this position for white looks wrong
Bloar: maybe f5? dunno
DaedDragon [3k\]: forcast: wants to deprive w of a base
Bloar: later tho
DrwsyClown [-\]: maybe b will go below just so he can chase w
yunoo: p12? too much to read
DrwsyClown [-\]: s11 maybe?
DrwsyClown [-\]: usually I don't like second line but
DaedDragon [3k\]: how about p14?
forecast [4k\]: b confident
atarithis [-\]: should be confident
Xinhui [3k\]: s11 good timing now
atarithis [-\]: maybe q8 now
DrwsyClown [-\]: otherwise b p9 seems about fine too
herissondu [4d\]: o13
DaedDragon [3k\]: p14 is no good?
esko [7k\]: b r14 needs to live
atarithis [-\]: b should want to not allow w an easy jump out
]
;B[dr]C[DaedDragon [3k\]: Makes teh b group safe
forecast [4k\]: hahaha
DrwsyClown [-\]: d2, rly?
MaLa [3d\]: o.o
goth [?\]: p14 doesm't do much to white
Xinhui [3k\]: tenuki?
DrwsyClown [-\]: timing seems awful to me
herissondu [4d\]: want to build
jungle [22k?\]: the stronger you get the more you tenuki
]
;W[cq]
;B[hp]C[cruel [2d?\]: yikes
cruel [2d?\]: i wonder how sun will deal with this
DaedDragon [3k\]: b says: I win!
jungle [22k?\]: Q11 threatens nothing
]
;W[qh]C[jungle [22k?\]: but yeah i like this move
]
;B[oe]C[DrwsyClown [-\]: I think b should've played a couple moves first before tenuki
kmr [1d\]: r12 pretty surprising
DrwsyClown [-\]: r12 was obvious to me
maher139 [1k\]: yeah
maher139 [1k\]: r12 kinda had to be there
maher139 [1k\]: or w really would have to resign
DaedDragon [3k\]: seems to me r12 makes q11 make sense
]
;W[mh]C[DrwsyClown [-\]: well r12 pretty much sente, settles w, get some points
ElNino [1d?\]: game is pretty over, W wins
goth [?\]: but if you played r12 first, you wouldn;t play q11
kmr [1d\]: now white would rather have q11 on P12 or P9 i think
cruel [2d?\]: what elnino?
Xinhui [3k\]: w gained momentum cos of d2 tenuki
palapiku [-\]: if two players become pro every year... how long until the new pros are kyus?
DaedDragon [3k\]: ElNino: how many points?
DrwsyClown [-\]: thing is, r12 first is open to forcing moves from b to get influence
herissondu [4d\]: tchou tcha tcha tchou tchou tcha
maher139 [1k\]: in this case you might, if b gets to press w's 2 space then b's stones work super efficiently
DrwsyClown [-\]: n12 looks weird 
josekimq [1d\]: no
forecast [4k\]: its nice
DrwsyClown [-\]: well b can add a move to solidify his moyo at bottom
Burakamin [2d\]: but is r16  100% alive?
MaLa [3d\]: nope
yunoo: to connect was gote maybe, as q11 isnt easy to kill, so b took cash instead
MaLa [3d\]: it is not
getbetter [5d?\]: w is doing well
sablesac [2d?\]: oh i see what he's doing
]
;B[nf]
;W[me]
;B[ng]
;W[mg]C[kmr [1d\]: Good question Palapiku, i wonder it too.Maybe not kyu but low dan not too long.
sablesac [2d?\]: i bet they'll slow it down
DrwsyClown [-\]: this year is just one player
]
;B[li]C[maher139 [1k\]: have to remember that not all 7dan+ are only on kgs
sablesac [2d?\]: it's only the second year and they have half the participants
DrwsyClown [-\]: from what I read on the site
DaedDragon [3k\]: 2/year?  Uh, so in 50 years there will be 100?
herissondu [4d\]: j13 is not that bad
MaLa [3d\]: there will be 51
MaLa [3d\]: and most wont be active
MaLa [3d\]: :P
maher139 [1k\]: in 50 years there will prolly not be 100 because some would have retired
]
;W[op]C[MaLa [3d\]: and no one says, the system will never change
DaedDragon [3k\]: And 50 or 100 players in a country of 1/3 billion?  How is that a problem?
DrwsyClown [-\]: 1/year according to website info
]
;B[pq]
;W[jb]C[maher139 [1k\]: ?
DrwsyClown [-\]: "Standings: The results of the finals will result in one player being promoted to the rank of Professional 1 Dan and two players selected as seeds into next year's finals."
maher139 [1k\]: why here?
Burakamin [2d\]: surprising!
kolayn112 [2k\]: фальтстарт
herissondu [4d\]: wierd
herissondu [4d\]: ah only one will be promoted?
Burakamin [2d\]: trop chelou même
]
;B[om]C[kmr [1d\]: yes this year one although according to site "The winners of the Pro Qualification Tournament become AGA-Certified Go Professionals." - they writed winners not winner, may be confusing a little
DrwsyClown [-\]: yeah, I think it makes more sense that way too
bjkjbk: not weird, b has no eye
yanyan [?\]: is w playing k18 expecting an answer?
DalekSnare [?\]: If the pros' jobs include go promotion, then it won't be hard to get one new strong player each year at least. Is that something they will be doing?
Burakamin [2d\]: no eyes but out
Burakamin [2d\]: ... 
herissondu [4d\]: it's sad that calvin won't be able to become pro this year
DrwsyClown [-\]: you dont know that yet
maher139 [1k\]: it's weird that b played k18 considering b is out into the center
]
;W[mk]C[bjkjbk: where out...
bjkjbk: see
GotopiaTV [?\]: k18 is like pass on their level
atarithis [-\]: still like w, getbetter?
xDragon [?\]: calvin is a long way from being eliminated from the tournament
MaLa [3d\]: well, if he loses that game, he will have to win 3 games in a row in a possible grand final
maher139 [1k\]: hmm
sablesac [2d?\]: isn't calvin one loss from being eliminated
q15p17r14 [2d\]: I kind of like k18. Now black's group is eyeless and j16 is strong
DrwsyClown [-\]: maybe they made a mistake in the info too, I don't know, or maybe they'll bring it back to 2 eventually if go gets promoted enough
MaLa [3d\]: no, he is one loss from lower bracket
sablesac [2d?\]: oh i see
xDragon [?\]: this is winners bracket and its double elimination
maher139 [1k\]: even if calvin loses, he's still fairly young
MaLa [3d\]: but in lowerbracket he only has to win one game out of 2
DrwsyClown [-\]: but you need a lot of commitment to be at pro level, so I'm not convinced just yet about having a lot of new pros every yeart
MaLa [3d\]: to face gan again
]
;B[ih]C[maher139 [1k\]: who's the youngest person in this tourney?
herissondu [4d\]: n9 is nice
xDragon [?\]: well aaron ye was one of the alternates at age 12
ElNino [1d?\]: sun might be the youngest
]
;W[kk]C[xDragon [?\]: isnt andrew lu really young
maher139 [1k\]: calvin is like 14 or 15 i think
xDragon [?\]: i think im thinking of a canadian 6d with the same name whos like 12
Jayy [2d?\]: maybe david lu
DaedDragon [3k\]: Yay! More crazy fighting! I love this style!
DrwsyClown [-\]: l7 or m7 maybe
xDragon [?\]: maybe jayy. he finished top 3 in the redmond cup
]
;B[ll]C[DrwsyClown [-\]: m8*
DrwsyClown [-\]: damn
DrwsyClown [-\]: I meant m7/m8
bjkjbk: no
bjkjbk: liar
DrwsyClown [-\]: lol
]
;W[lk]C[bjkjbk: ^^
atarithis [-\]: L8, live with the top and it's a win
DrwsyClown [-\]: man I wish we could have polls to guess the next move -.- it was one of my early suggestion to kaya to try to attract some people, although it ended up failing like server
jungle [22k?\]: i dont see w'hat is w's plan
]
;B[hg]C[herissondu [4d\]: m8 seems so right
]
;W[if]C[maher139 [1k\]: mm sun is 16
]
;B[hi]C[bjkjbk: )
blitztrain [2d\]: is he?
maher139 [1k\]: and so is lu?
DrwsyClown [-\]: looks like b will win to me
]
;W[ij]C[herissondu [4d\]: a move around m5?
Zucca [4d\]: giving up the 8 stones
]
;B[jg]C[Zucca [4d\]: w choose not to catch the upper part? not enough?
Falcon89 [4k\]: how old is Jianing?
flurpel [2d\]: not very
MrMatou [4k\]: whie would kill 
DrwsyClown [-\]: w gotta try some stuff at the bottom
jungle [22k?\]: 15 or 16 i think
hyperpape: There's an updaet on the front page of USGO.org with the ages
DrwsyClown [-\]: k3 roar
Zucca [4d\]: E11 seems natural
Falcon89 [4k\]: hx
Falcon89 [4k\]: thx
DrwsyClown [-\]: or maybe p3
sablesac [2d?\]: no idea how w will be able to reduce the bottom enough
DrwsyClown [-\]: like screw this and go crazy
maher139 [1k\]: these are aga rules right?
MaLa [3d\]: m4 and pray?
pupukani [2d\]: i think its not as hard as it looks to reduce
MrMatou [4k\]: it's a aga tournament no there not aga rules
Zucca [4d\]: M4 will erase some of b thickness
xDragon [?\]: its aga rules
atarithis [-\]: m4 would firm b up too much
Zucca [4d\]: J10 should have been reserved i think
atarithis [-\]: but w running out of prospects quickly
pupukani [2d\]: j4
USGO1 [-\]: w 49:00 left, b 56:00
MaLa [3d\]: o10 also feels like nasty aji against w
kmr [1d\]: i still have firm feeling that r12 wasnt good move, but it seems i am in minority
sablesac [2d?\]: o10 looks interesting
maher139 [1k\]: it's sente and protects w's group, what's bad about it?
musardt: k11 ?
blitztrain [2d\]: hyper, there is no update on the ages :o
Herod [-\]: They are the same age as they were yesterday
sablesac [2d?\]: no, they are a day older
xDragon [?\]: tha twould hlep if we knew their ages yesterday though
q15p17r14 [2d\]: From now on, I will ask for everyone's age to three decimal places
osome [6k\]: what about L3?
DalekSnare [?\]: We know their ages when they were born, so we just need to know when that was
maher139 [1k\]: could you imagine if j13  wasn't there now?
]
;W[mo]C[hobajons [-\]: both are 17
palapiku [-\]: go is a kids' game
pwaldron [-\]: pro go is a kid's game
Falcon89 [4k\]: not really
]
;B[lo]C[humppa [3d?\]: Shuko won won of the major titles at 66
]
;W[ln]C[maher139 [1k\]: depends on what age you consider to ba a kid
liptos [4k\]: quid pro go
pwaldron [-\]: hehe
]
;B[ko]C[Falcon89 [4k\]: all ages, all walks in life
blitztrain [2d\]: b comfortably ahead
Bloar: j13 was a stumble
herissondu [4d\]: l6
]
;W[mp]C[Bloar: imo
]
;B[mq]C[herissondu [4d\]: oooooh
musardt: confortably, thats talkable
palapiku [-\]: 66 = not a kid
kmr [1d\]: wow black must feel way ahead
awesome [4k\]: because he doesn't cut?
blitztrain [2d\]: anyone knows their kgs accs?
musardt: c9 is big
]
;W[kn]C[palapiku [-\]: black is ahead by a whole game...
kmr [1d\]: no, cuz he answered very fast
]
;B[jn]C[flurpel [2d\]: calvin probably use this as a rest game
maher139 [1k\]: calvin is behind by a game
flurpel [2d\]: prepare to come back from the losers bracket and 3-0 jianing in the finals
flurpel [2d\]: that's what i would do at least
MaLa [3d\]: well, he is ahead in LB final
]
;W[pn]C[iwin [2k\]: why don't you
liptos [4k\]: psh yea, anyone can do that
MaLa [3d\]: so he only needs 1 out of 2 there
flurpel [2d\]: exactly
flurpel [2d\]: unless he faces lu
flurpel [2d\]: or wait nvm
]
;B[qn]C[herissondu [4d\]: seems so academic
MaLa [3d\]: he knocked down both
flurpel [2d\]: isn't it if you met your opponent already it's bo5?
MaLa [3d\]: ^^
maher139 [1k\]: actually he couldn't 3-0 him as it's 2 losses and you're out
MaLa [3d\]: nope
]
;W[mm]C[flurpel [2d\]: or is that just the finals?
MaLa [3d\]: only in grandfinal
MaLa [3d\]: and maher, nope
flurpel [2d\]: mk
awesome [4k\]: f6
MaLa [3d\]: grand final is bo5 if the have met
flurpel [2d\]: yep so calvin will 3-0!
maher139 [1k\]: yeah, but grand final isn't loser bracket final
awesome [4k\]: well not yet
flurpel [2d\]: if he loses
palapiku [-\]: best of five new games or five including the ones already played?
MaLa [3d\]: 5 including
flurpel [2d\]: best of 5 new
palapiku [-\]: ...
flurpel [2d\]: what it's including?
]
;B[hj]C[MaLa [3d\]: extended series rule
flurpel [2d\]: holy...
pwaldron [-\]: they're playing very quickly
MaLa [3d\]: gameresults carry over
]
;W[ji]
;B[jh]C[NiGetO [6k\]: c8?
flurpel [2d\]: that's a really bad system imo
palapiku [-\]: oh ok
iwin [2k\]: it is
herissondu [4d\]: c9
]
;W[ck]
;B[cj]C[herissondu [4d\]: AH
blitztrain [2d\]: its a good system if u understand it 
]
;W[dk]C[MaLa [3d\]: one KGS$ to you
maher139 [1k\]: finally got one
herissondu [4d\]: i would like to thank my family
flurpel [2d\]: no it's not. it puts an unnecessary handicap
MaLa [3d\]: and it a luck dependent system
blitztrain [2d\]: no its not
hohoho [2k\]: better thank Herod, too, or you'll get banned.
MaLa [3d\]: if gan is lucky, he gets calvin again in final...
MaLa [3d\]: and needs one out of 3...
blitztrain [2d\]: where would the luck be?
blitztrain [2d\]: no
blitztrain [2d\]: its not including
liptos [4k\]: all of go is just luck, keep playing stones down, and somethings gotta work
MaLa [3d\]: learn to read...
maher139 [1k\]: they'd have to play 5 new games at most
herissondu [4d\]: b is strong
MaLa [3d\]: nope
Detroit [?\]: yes it is including
hobajons [-\]: w isnt doing bad lol
]
;B[rg]C[MaLa [3d\]: seriously, just read the rules... it is max 4 games actually
MaLa [3d\]: and that would only happen if calvin wins 2 games against gan now...
flurpel [2d\]: such a strange system
MaLa [3d\]: and then gan loses LB final
MaLa [3d\]: ^^
Falablah [1k\]: No, then it could be five games
]
;W[ei]C[MaLa [3d\]: IT CANT
flurpel [2d\]: is there a page with the rules
MaLa [3d\]: it will be Bo3...
MaLa [3d\]: if the have not met
Falablah [1k\]: if calvin wins next two games, then gan jianing wins one in the final, it's tied 2-2
Falablah [1k\]: right?
Detroit [?\]: yeah they actualy play less games if they haven't met
Detroit [?\]: its very weird
maher139 [1k\]: can you post link to the rules anyone?
Falablah [1k\]: so then there needs to be a fifth to decide the winner
Falablah [1k\]: http://www.usgo.org/files/pdf/2013-APQF-Rules_and_Regulations.pdf
MaLa [3d\]: fala, yes
pwaldron [-\]: rule 4c: "If the players have previously met for a best of 3, the [final\] match is a best of 5, with the results of the best of 3 counting as the first 2 or 3 games of the match"
pururun [3k\]: wow the response is so fast
xDragon [?\]: theres finally a photo posted of the tournamen ton the aga homepage
MaLa [3d\]: but only 2 of those games would be played in the grand finals
MaLa [3d\]: ,)
Falablah [1k\]: plus the three here :)
Falablah [1k\]: =5
pwaldron [-\]: so if Calvin drops this game and gets to the finals, he'll be down 0-2 in a best of 5 match
MaLa [3d\]: so the final can be max 2, 3 or 4 games, depending on how the tourney went before
hobajons [-\]: well
kolayn112 [2k\]: j9
iwin [2k\]: it's an annoying system
hobajons [-\]: lets just focus on theg game
nonsense [?\]: haha..looks like andrew (recorder) is falling asleep
liptos [4k\]: is there place we can watch live stream?
flurpel [2d\]: no
liptos [4k\]: aww
Falablah [1k\]: oh, I see, mala, we were arguing different things :)
palapiku [-\]: how can it be 4, MaLa
]
;B[hl]C[Falablah [1k\]: anyways game time
MaLa [3d\]: 4 if calvin wins twice now...
MaLa [3d\]: then gan loses LB final
MaLa [3d\]: and then gan starts a bo5 at 1-0
]
;W[eh]C[MaLa [3d\]: erm
MaLa [3d\]: calvin starts at 1-0
flurpel [2d\]: why is it 1-0 instead of 2-1?
hobajons [-\]: because
hobajons [-\]: he beat bill and andrew
palapiku [-\]: if gan loses LB final then the overall final will be a bo3
MaLa [3d\]: because he played them only once
hobajons [-\]: already
]
;B[bi]C[flurpel [2d\]: o right
Falablah [1k\]: "If the players have previously met for a Bo3, the match is a Bo5 with the results of  the Bo3 counting as the first 2 or 3 games of the match. "
]
;W[dj]
;B[ci]C[palapiku [-\]: MaLa that doesn't count
Greytable: i'm feeling dizzy
jungle [22k?\]: c2 
palapiku [-\]: only having met for a Bo3 counts
MaLa [3d\]: oh
maher139 [1k\]: oh wow these rules stink
Falablah [1k\]: ) If the players have previously met for an SG, the match is a Bo3 with the result of  -7-the earlier SG counting as the first game of the match.
MaLa [3d\]: so it is bo3 with 1-0?
hobajons [-\]: yea
]
;W[im]C[Falablah [1k\]: no, with 2-1
flurpel [2d\]: oh i thought you guys were saying if gan won the LB
flurpel [2d\]: ok nvm
Detroit [?\]: also one of the rules is we can't ask USGO1 questions
Falablah [1k\]: first 2 or 3 games count
hohoho [2k\]: k5 cut is sente to o3, that would annoy me as black
MaLa [3d\]: annoying system...
maher139 [1k\]: counting previous matches suck, should be a whole new record
Detroit [?\]: its dumb
ChoUsRival [1k\]: They really arent that uncommon of rules in competitve games not seen it for go but at same time go isnt normally double elim..
Falablah [1k\]: very annoying
pupukani [2d\]: hmm, white might get something out
pupukani [2d\]: of this
MaLa [3d\]: why not normal double elim, no extended rule and bo5 with one game advantage for the guy from UB?
pupukani [2d\]: doesnt look so simple though
Falablah [1k\]: actually, makes sense so if you win the winner's bracket you start out ahead in the final
MaLa [3d\]: no you dont
MaLa [3d\]: fala
palapiku [-\]: why not just have a fair bo3 final regardless of the earlier games
Falablah [1k\]: well, if you met before
MaLa [3d\]: only then
maher139 [1k\]: but such an overwhelming advantage
MaLa [3d\]: actually the LB final decides...
]
;B[gn]C[osome [6k\]: HOW TO PROTECT THE CUT?
awesome [4k\]: what is bo3?
maher139 [1k\]: best of 3
hohoho [2k\]: bo = best of
awesome [4k\]: thanks
Komulink38 [1k\]: hehe osome you got black's answer :p
pupukani [2d\]: cant w cut now?
Komulink38 [1k\]: in a few move you will know if this answer was approved by w :p
maher139 [1k\]: how does this protect the cut?
pupukani [2d\]: and not care about casualties
kmr [1d\]: if they really want do it fair they should just made round robin - with no tie breakers except additional games between those who have same points - but that would be consideralby longer i think.
Zucca [4d\]: i think that is the only move at this point pup
ElNino [1d?\]: P3 big
flurpel [2d\]: that's the japanese system right?
maher139 [1k\]: we should stop with the rules before someone gets banned
hobajons [-\]: cut first think later :d
awesome [4k\]: seems w can cut
]
;W[jo]C[osome [6k\]: h7, g7, g8, and then?
summer100 [2k\]: who is winning? any comment
blitztrain [2d\]: nicemove
koogle [10k\]: w going after H11?
maher139 [1k\]: who's winning? depends on how the next few moves play out i think
]
;B[jp]
;W[io]
;B[ip]C[ElNino [1d?\]: w leading 
maher139 [1k\]: now w can cut?
]
;W[hm]C[iwin [2k\]: is he really
kmr [1d\]: now i would play h7 and cut no matter what lol :)
TitanPupil [1k\]: :)
pupukani [2d\]: i thought k5 was a mistake, but w didnt lose a liberty with the cutting stone after all
osome [6k\]: that will happen I think
]
;B[gm]C[iwin [2k\]: oh yeah he actually does have a lot
pururun [3k\]: g8
maher139 [1k\]: does g9 work/
osome [6k\]: g8 better
]
;W[gl]C[iwin [2k\]: how much is p3 worth
DonValley [5d\]: yes
awesome [4k\]: I prefer g7, it takes on lib from g7 
TitanPupil [1k\]: yesgo calvin
TitanPupil [1k\]: !!!!!
nonsense [?\]: gogogo!
pupukani [2d\]: maybe a little more than 10
nonsense [?\]: its the name of the game!
maher139 [1k\]: we could see the end of the game in the next 20 moves
DaedDragon [3k\]: might all those b stones die??
TitanPupil [1k\]: yes
osome [6k\]: yes
jussayin: calvin's big chance
MaLa [3d\]: woah, that escaleted quickly
TitanPupil [1k\]: haha
Fost [1d\]: h9?
LEIBNIZ [2k\]: does b have a plan?
osome [6k\]: resign
DaedDragon [3k\]: I imagine he plans to live!
xDragon [?\]: seems like b can live
awesome [4k\]: I think b will live
MaLa [3d\]: wasn't it B who was attacking w in the ower right and decided to play it calm...
awesome [4k\]: not easy to play solid
GocchiSama [1k?\]: white is strong
]
;B[hk]C[sedgwick [?\]: h9 allows l9 after?
osome [6k\]: the cut is clean
]
;W[fl]C[hohoho [2k\]: I see a gote eye at l12. Where is the other one?
MaLa [3d\]: k9
sedgwick [?\]: sorry k9 I meant t say:)
kadoban [-\]: ah
maher139 [1k\]: this is an exciting game
Komulink38 [1k\]: psychologically, making 2 eyes in gote and still losing the game would be tough i guess
gogol1er [1d\]: what happened between calvin and andy liu?
]
;B[jm]C[flurpel [2d\]: what happened
flurpel [2d\]: ?
ElNino [1d?\]: haha
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: andy isnt in the tourney
gogol1er [1d\]: ho...
maher139 [1k\]: i think he means andrew lu
]
;W[jl]
;B[il]
;W[km]C[gogol1er [1d\]: yes
xDragon [?\]: that was in round 1
xDragon [?\]: calvin won
]
;B[jk]
;W[kl]C[gogol1er [1d\]: thx
]
;B[kj]
;W[jf]C[jussayin: fantasmic
awesome [4k\]: b neat
pupukani [2d\]: hey
LEIBNIZ [2k\]: cool
pururun [3k\]: no kill
maher139 [1k\]: l14 k10 l11 m10 j11?
TitanPupil [1k\]: thats dead shape
Falcon89 [4k\]: b prepared after g8
flurpel [2d\]: dead
flurpel [2d\]: :o
maher139 [1k\]: don't see life here
TitanPupil [1k\]: oh b can give up the 7 stones
iwin [2k\]: omg
TitanPupil [1k\]: b can give up the 7 stones
precal [2k\]: seki at most 
flurpel [2d\]: well w gets tail
TitanPupil [1k\]: 6*
maher139 [1k\]: that tail is quite a bit
flurpel [2d\]: yes
hohoho [2k\]: k10 right now lives
kadoban [-\]: seki is fine of course
iwin [2k\]: calvin is a god
TitanPupil [1k\]: its not seki
maher139 [1k\]: it wouldn't be seki
flurpel [2d\]: k10 j9 l11 m10 j11 
maher139 [1k\]: it'd be dead if l14
TitanPupil [1k\]: its either die or give up 6 stones
flurpel [2d\]: got the cleaver shape
Zucca [4d\]: it is not seki
pupukani [2d\]: oh it isnt alive, im hallucinating
awesome [4k\]: must m13
kadoban [-\]: yeah
TitanPupil [1k\]: no
TitanPupil [1k\]: must give up those
maher139 [1k\]: k10 only move
Zucca [4d\]: b needs to give up 6 stones... i dont know why k14 was played
TitanPupil [1k\]: or find life with some magic
sedgwick [?\]: no, m13 wuld be at worst seki
Herod [-\]: doesn't m13 save all?
MaLa [3d\]: how seki?
Rememberr [6k\]: M13 is ok
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;B[ho]
;W[in]C[Ahamay [5d\]: black can resign here
MaLa [3d\]: after k10 j9 l11 m10 j11 ?
kadoban [-\]: no, black can make truck shape to kill if m13
TitanPupil [1k\]: m13 k10 j9m11 n10 j11 thats dead
sedgwick [?\]: oh, sorry
TitanPupil [1k\]: why did w play there instead of kill inside?
TitanPupil [1k\]: :o
sedgwick [?\]: yes, dead 5 shappe after l10
TitanPupil [1k\]: why didnt w do the dead 5 shape just now?
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;B[fk]C[hobajons [-\]: CALVIN GOOD JOB
MaLa [3d\]: because j7 would e dead
MaLa [3d\]: and those connect...
tas6466 [5k?\]: he doesn't read this
TitanPupil [1k\]: j7 would be dead?
MaLa [3d\]: yes...
Zucca [4d\]: b K10 will live
DaedDragon [3k\]: b alive in the middle?
TitanPupil [1k\]: what did b play i probably wasnt attentive xD
TitanPupil [1k\]: or what did w play
xDragon [?\]: h5 j6
MaLa [3d\]: h5 j6
herissondu [4d\]: l14?
xDragon [?\]: after k14
maher139 [1k\]: k10 will live, but first b want's to see if he can do anything else here
pupukani [2d\]: e8 k10 l14 triai
herissondu [4d\]: did i missed something?
flurpel [2d\]: yes
DaedDragon [3k\]: nope
TitanPupil [1k\]: so how would the j7 stones die?
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;W[el]C[jungle [22k?\]: b is alive what are you talking about
MaLa [3d\]: j6 caps 2 stones...
MaLa [3d\]: and then j7 is very lonely
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;B[gh]C[MaLa [3d\]: seriously...
TitanPupil [1k\]: the 2 stones not connected to the group
Komulink38 [1k\]: well black is resisting to K14 actualy 
Komulink38 [1k\]: was 
herissondu [4d\]: really?
herissondu [4d\]: can't l14?
hobajons [-\]: g13
xDragon [?\]: tp the whole group would live if the j7 stones were captured
jungle [22k?\]: i dont get
jungle [22k?\]: it
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;W[kf]C[flurpel [2d\]: hah
Komulink38 [1k\]: if L14 dead shape with K10 and L11
iwin [2k\]: yeee take the tail
jussayin: big
herissondu [4d\]: yes
hobajons [-\]: not a man
hobajons [-\]: g13
herissondu [4d\]: but 
hobajons [-\]: kill all
hohoho [2k\]: and b not even alive yet
osome [6k\]: big enough for the victory
TitanPupil [1k\]: i dont see how j7 would die but i awsnt very attentive to what aws being played there
DonValley [5d\]: g13 loses points
herissondu [4d\]: there is space
kadoban [-\]: that's a pretty tasty tail
DonValley [5d\]: hoba u cray
jungle [22k?\]: l14 k10 j9 
hobajons [-\]: no
hobajons [-\]: i kill
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: kill all isnt possible when any time k10 is 2 eyes
xDragon [?\]: tp you should look back at it because its a 25k problem
iwin [2k\]: ezpz
Komulink38 [1k\]: white is pretty thick around
xDragon [?\]: just view game offline or something
flurpel [2d\]: that's like 25 points
flurpel [2d\]: jesus
TitanPupil [1k\]: is it cloneable
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: w g13 would have been nonsense
hobajons [-\]: w/e
able [3k\]: was m13 not better first for black?
jungle [22k?\]: im missing something or what
xDragon [?\]: yes its clonable
hobajons [-\]: man
hobajons [-\]: much spam
xDragon [?\]: join mine
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;B[bk]
;W[bl]
;B[al]
;W[am]
;B[ak]C[Komulink38 [1k\]: hehe it's not so often that this spam is only about the game :p
TitanPupil [1k\]: oh ok i didnt see that there were 2 b stones there
hobajons [-\]: donvalley would now
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;W[cm]C[hobajons [-\]: know
TitanPupil [1k\]: because i was not paying attention to bottom lol
herissondu [4d\]: b should resign
DaoLin [2d?\]: wO2 ? or around ?
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;B[ql]C[MaLa [3d\]: minutes ago white should resign
MaLa [3d\]: why does everyone have to resign all the time :(
kadoban [-\]: o2 looks pretty dangerous
hohoho [2k\]: I think that move is supposed to protect against p3? Now if p3 we can o3?
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;W[oq]C[herissondu [4d\]: p3 does nothing
palapiku [-\]: never resign, resigning is gote
herissondu [4d\]: because of o3 sente
herissondu [4d\]: he can't cut
hohoho [2k\]: before r8 I think he could
Meepy [-\]: o3 q4
hohoho [2k\]: white had to give up n4 to cut, but possible
herissondu [4d\]: then meepy?
yunoo: well, connecting groups is important, w punished d2 tenuki well
]
;B[cr]C[herissondu [4d\]: oo
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;W[pr]C[MaLa [3d\]: why not g14?
]
;B[qr]C[MaLa [3d\]: o.O
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;W[pp]
;B[qq]C[osome [6k\]: b2
jungle [22k?\]: s9 
herissondu [4d\]: resign
]
;W[br]
;B[dq]C[hohoho [2k\]: we can still o3
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: but it doesnt work
]
;W[cp]C[herissondu [4d\]: o3 doesn't work anymore
Herod [-\]: you have resigned twice now herissondu
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: not sure that it worked ever
herissondu [4d\]: it worked because of damezumari
JesusTeAma [3k\]: o3 never work , if b keep pushing with o4 w take the cornewr
osome [6k\]: resign is the best move now
osome [6k\]: no doubt
awesome [4k\]: currently b has the resign initiative
DaoLin [2d?\]: resign never a move 
Muttley [2k\]: kibbitzers are always good at resigning on someone else's behalf
TitanPupil [1k\]: ^
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;B[hf]C[flurpel [2d\]: "The only move is to resign" ~Shuko
xDragon [?\]: if it were up to us, games wouldnt survive past 3 moves
kmr [1d\]: g12 move is miracle to me - i dont get it totally :/
MaLa [3d\]: if you don't know how to play properly, at least resign properly
osome [6k\]: right!
Muttley [2k\]: "How did I end up under this table?" - Shuko
hohoho [2k\]: with g12 b can make an eye
Zucca [4d\]: mala deep insights?
flurpel [2d\]: "Stop making up quotes, Mutt" ~Abraham Lincoln
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: what is "properly resigning"...
Muttley [2k\]: :)
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;W[he]C[flurpel [2d\]: g12 was just threat to make eyes so he didn't have to play at k10
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;B[ge]C[Ukasuhs [5d?\]: resigning when the kibitz desides its over? cause thats happened a dozen times
osome [6k\]: properly resigning is resigning after l14
MaLa [3d\]: thats why the kibitz is pro at resigning
kmr [1d\]: but group was already alive so why sacrifice so big tail?!
xDragon [?\]: these games will have less resignations than most normal games
MaLa [3d\]: while these players are almost pro at playing
MaLa [3d\]: ,)
hohoho [2k\]: it wasn't alive
Muttley [2k\]: perhaps even only one resignation
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;W[fe]C[maher139 [1k\]: seriously, if i remember correctly, people were saying it was gg for to w by like move 30
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;B[ie]C[palapiku [-\]: pretty sure L14 was not game-ending
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;W[je]
;B[hd]C[nickBlake [?\]: interesting ko
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;W[ie]C[iwin [2k\]: waou
Komulink38 [1k\]: maybe black's resign sequence ?
TitanPupil [1k\]: ko?
nachodude [-\]: ko?
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;B[gf]C[hobajons [-\]: ko?
]
;W[gd]C[maher139 [1k\]: no ko
pururun [3k\]: no ko
TitanPupil [1k\]: no ko
nachodude [-\]: no ko
flurpel [2d\]: ko!
palapiku [-\]: no ko
maher139 [1k\]: this isn't blitz
Meepy [-\]: any ko?
pururun [3k\]: lol
maher139 [1k\]: w not gonna play a ko
nachodude [-\]: meep
herissondu [4d\]: ko!
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: didnt work cause w doesnt have to answer b j19
xDragon [?\]: but what if it was a ko
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;B[rk]
;W[pk]C[DaoLin [2d?\]: neither loss of 1 point for B
osome [6k\]: p3 was the very last chance to resign properly
Muttley [2k\]: 67.5 w, 67 b :))
Muttley [2k\]: straight count
Rememberr [6k\]: why not M14 instead
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: q9 threantens nothing
xDragon [?\]: 7.5 komi right mutt?
JesusTeAma [3k\]: s10 now is needed
hobajons [-\]: w is only up by a bit
]
;B[qj]C[Ukasuhs [5d?\]: w needs q7 lib for o3 to not work for b
Muttley [2k\]: I guessed 6.5
Muttley [2k\]: not sure
]
;W[pj]
;B[ri]C[xDragon [?\]: its 7.5, aga rules
maher139 [1k\]: why would he resign? if anything he gets lucky and an endglame blunder lets him win
Muttley [2k\]: depends on the O6 area, which I'm treating as dame
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;W[lj]C[palapiku [-\]: aga rules = weird komi
koogle [10k\]: if i was down by .5 i would definitely resign, no hesitation. after all, it's the right thing to do
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;B[ki]C[flurpel [2d\]: o2?
]
;W[qi]
;B[rj]
;W[nr]C[flurpel [2d\]: yay
xDragon [?\]: congrats koogle youre a chinese pro
DaedDragon [3k\]: they playing faster
JesusTeAma [3k\]: why did b did that ? now w can cut q7 
kadoban [-\]: it's the same komi as chinese rules, isn't it? not too weird
hobajons [-\]: racist
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;B[mr]C[hobajons [-\]: n1
ErrorGo [2d\]: yose time ? 
Bloar: To me, there is a concept of honor.  If you are losing by less than 6.5 points, you should finish.  More than 10 points, for sure, you should resign.
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;W[lp]
;B[kp]C[Wood44 [2k\]: b17
kmr [1d\]: actually game is playing under Japanese rules according to tournament site
hobajons [-\]: omg end game god
Bloar: if you aren't sure, finish.
hobajons [-\]: then n1
hobajons [-\]: so nice
palapiku [-\]: it is not, kmr
kadoban [-\]: kmr: no, not at all
prime [4k\]: whites winning?
Bloar: this is at the low dan level
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;W[bc]C[maher139 [1k\]: of course he doesn't count that he's down by .5 by endgame he just gets to scoring and scores the game then resigns because he's down by .5
agakenny [5d?\]: white won a lot
Muttley [2k\]: yes, w ahead
palapiku [-\]: that part of the rules just says that the score will be counted japanese style
DaedDragon [3k\]: what's the score??
Muttley [2k\]: I think w is about 5.5 at least ahead now
]
;B[bs]
;W[ar]C[kadoban [-\]: kmr: it's actually the full AGA rules, only the counting is territory counting, with pass stones
kmr [1d\]: sorry i mean japanese counting not rules
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;B[ep]C[hobajons [-\]: b17 was huge
ErrorGo [2d\]: s18
hobajons [-\]: winning move
flurpel [2d\]: s17 p big
hobajons [-\]: s17
hobajons [-\]: ya
]
;W[rb]C[summer100 [2k\]: q7?
flurpel [2d\]: thx hoba ;)
Rememberr [6k\]: M14 instared of G14 was nrt better ?
ErrorGo [2d\]: (: ! 
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;B[rc]C[able [3k\]: a18
hobajons [-\]: your welcome louie
ErrorGo [2d\]: r1
hobajons [-\]: n1
koogle [10k\]: i think H7 was the winning move
palapiku [-\]: the counting is japanese style but it's still ultimately area based so they are using chinese komi
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;W[ms]
;B[ls]
;W[ns]C[hobajons [-\]: am i god?
]
;B[kr]C[hobajons [-\]: :D
TitanPupil [1k\]: you are hand of god
ErrorGo [2d\]: maybe D: 
Zucca [4d\]: w wins  right?
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;W[on]C[flurpel [2d\]: w win easy
]
;B[ol]
;W[sc]C[kmr [1d\]: they use japanes counting with chinese komi?thats weird dont you think?
]
;B[sd]C[Ukasuhs [5d?\]: aga rules is designed to give the same result with area counting and territory counting in all circumstances
]
;W[sb]C[able [3k\]: o8 sente instead?
palapiku [-\]: kmr, the counting is "japanese style", not actually japanese
DaedDragon [3k\]: s15!
flurpel [2d\]: man calvin is so cruel
DaedDragon [3k\]: (for w)
palapiku [-\]: in particular they use pass stones
hohoho [2k\]: r15 better
JesusTeAma [3k\]: basicly now b gave the most importants sentes 
USGO1 [-\]: black has resigned
USGO1 [-\]: we go to game 3!
TitanPupil [1k\]: gg!
palapiku [-\]: gg
TitanPupil [1k\]: Thanks!!
kadoban [-\]: gg
MaLa [3d\]: incredible
maher139 [1k\]: awesome, so happy calvin won
zhang2 [1k\]: w far berrer
MaLa [3d\]: :)
USGO1 [-\]: Thank you for watching!
kadoban [-\]: thanks mr. scribe
maher139 [1k\]: gg
forecast [4k\]: sun didn't go down!
MaLa [3d\]: but good for the tourney
MaLa [3d\]: :)
awesome [4k\]: tx usgo1
osome [6k\]: thanks , great game!
palapiku [-\]: zhang2, w lost first game...
flurpel [2d\]: the sun shines on
LEIBNIZ [2k\]: gg
maher139 [1k\]: one more game
Falcon89 [4k\]: thx
maher139 [1k\]: sweet
hobajons [-\]: GG
USGO1 [-\]: Join us tomorrow morning at 9:30 for the next in the set!
Muttley [2k\]: thx USGO
maher139 [1k\]: 9 30 am?
nonsense [?\]: hes my sunshine!
USGO1 [-\]: 9:30 am pacific
Muttley [2k\]: that's US time
maher139 [1k\]: is that california time?
nonsense [?\]: my only sunshine
maher139 [1k\]: oh thank god
iwin [2k\]: YEAH CALVIN
maher139 [1k\]: that's like 11;30 my time
iwin [2k\]: WIN IT ALL
Bloar: yay!
nonsense [?\]: i hope calvin wins..
nonsense [?\]: if he loses we might have a solar flare
nonsense [?\]: causes all sorts of issues :(
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