(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[5400]OT[5x40 byo-yomi]
GN[2nd AGA Pro Qualification - Gan Jianing vs - Calvin Sun]PW[Jianing Gan]PB[Calvin Sun]WR[7d]BR[7d]DT[2014-01-04]EV[2nd AGA Professional Qualification Tournament]RO[4A-1]PC[Hotel Normandie, Los Angeles CA]US[Andrew Jackson]C[USGO1 [-\]: GOOD MORNING and welcome to the 2nd AGA Professional Qualification Tournament!
USGO1 [-\]: I'm Andrew Jackson and I'll be your recorder this morning
USGO1 [-\]: This is Round 3, Board 1, Game 1, between Gan Jianing and Calvin Sun
USGO1 [-\]: People are starting to filter in here to the room with ten minutes to go.
USGO1 [-\]: The games are being played at the historic Hotel Normandie in the middle of Los Angeles
USGO1 [-\]: quite a site!  The playing room itself is rather small, with only three boards on today.
Schnapps [2k\]: Hello, Andrew. I heard you weren't allowed to answer, just wanted you to know you're an awesome person. You're very energetic in your presentations and it's really nice to see. Keep up the good work!
USGO1 [-\]: Hey thanks!  I'll be allowed to answer right up until the game starts
USGO1 [-\]: I was firmly repremanded by our TD, the just & fair Jeff Shaevel, for having the chat window just baaaaarely visible
Schnapps [2k\]: he he
USGO1 [-\]: he's very serious about having these games run as cleanly as possible, and we're lucky to have him!
USGO1 [-\]: But i won't be pushing my luck ;)
USGO1 [-\]: the players have arrived and are seated waiting for the show to start
Schnapps [2k\]: I just thought it's really nice to have the scribe introduce the game
Schnapps [2k\]: Enjoy the game ^^
USGO1 [-\]: people are faffing about with this enormous banner, trying to get it hung on the wall.
Schnapps [2k\]: :D
USGO1 [-\]: While we don't have jackhammers this morning, we do have a kids tournament going on downstairs
Javaness [2d\]: Have the colours been decided yet?
USGO1 [-\]: So hopefully that'll settle down
USGO1 [-\]: not yet
herissondu [4d\]: t's the first finals?
USGO1 [-\]: correct.
USGO1 [-\]: both players are undefeated.
herissondu [4d\]: so the winner will be pro?
USGO1 [-\]: however, the winner here needs to play the winner of the lower bracket.
USGO1 [-\]: this is also a best of three set
USGO1 [-\]: Ah, i almost forgot:  Additional information, results, rules, etc. are available on the website at http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-results-2013
herissondu [4d\]: hard to understand
USGO1 [-\]: as i won't be able to provide commentary as the game begins, please refer people to the text here or to the website for me -- thanks!
USGO1 [-\]: Lunch is scheduled for 12:00; i'll let you know if we break, play through, etc.
USGO1 [-\]: Everyone is seated and Jeff is making final announcements.
Javaness [2d\]: what are the players wearing?
USGO1 [-\]: Minor update: afternoon games start at 4:00
USGO1 [-\]: Nigiri!
USGO1 [-\]: Calvin has black
USGO1 [-\]: we're off
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;B[pd]C[mooooo [6k?\]: calvin is b?
mooooo [6k?\]: ah
mooooo [6k?\]: i see it now
marius [10k\]: is hobbes playing?
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;W[dp]C[just9x9 [-\]: lol
just9x9 [-\]: you.mean.this.hobbes?
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;B[qp]C[monk316 [2d?\]: so the winner of this game is pro?
backpack1 [2d\]: how old is calvin ?
Draconian [1d\]: this is quarter final
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;W[dd]C[just9x9 [-\]: USGO1 [-\]: however, the winner here needs to play the winner of the lower bracket.
Hobbes [1k\]: Marius sadly no
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;B[fq]C[Hobbes [1k\]: but ofc I push for my friend:-)
selpahi [1d\]: when I play this as black, my opponents always go h3 now
just9x9 [-\]: did you have any chance to join there hobbes?
moonshell: This game is the first of a best-of-3 between these two players
seishiro [3k?\]: so up to here there is no second chance?
marius [10k\]: haha :D have to settle for a game without a tiger then
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;W[cn]
;B[lq]C[JesusTeAma [3k\]: dat fuseki
Hobbes [1k\]: yeah aga does not accept tigers in their tournaments
dutch2dan [1d\]: might be ssore losers (tigers)
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;W[qj]C[dutch2dan [1d\]: also, feeding could become an issue
just9x9 [-\]: feed the losing opponent, it will motivate him
Muttley [2k\]: Never let it be said that on KGS, the kibbitz doesn't focus on the most important issues of the game
WildTi [8k\]: Sorry to interrupt you but what do you call tigers ?
Hobbes [1k\]: they fear our natural sense good shape, I tell you:-)
Hobbes [1k\]: of*
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;B[qg]C[Nande [2d\]: what's the age of the players 
dutch2dan [1d\]: @wildti... never heard of calvin and hobbes???
sedgwick [?\]: Both about 16/17
jhyuyu: young
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;W[qm]C[Draconian [1d\]: every strong player becomes pro in ten years and usa doesnt have any strong pro left, no?
WildTi [8k\]: @dutch2dan, I love go but just beginner
Nande [2d\]: thanks
just9x9 [-\]: lol wildti
Hobbes [1k\]: :-))
sedgwick [?\]: in 10 years there will be a whle new group of strong players:)
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;B[pk]C[Hobbes [1k\]: this
Draconian [1d\]: I mean strong amateurs extincts
Hobbes [1k\]: is almost a trick
sedgwick [?\]: Look at this field of 8 players, nobody over 24
herissondu [4d\]: I've never seen q9 before
Javaness [2d\]: I hope there will be, and that the game becomes more popular in USA & Canada
Hobbes [1k\]: p7
Hobbes [1k\]: is the answer
sedgwick [?\]: q9 is the normal move:)
Hobbes [1k\]: yeah
Bauer [1k\]: why does b play q9?
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;W[qk]C[Hobbes [1k\]: more.or.less
Muttley [2k\]: really?   I didn't think it was played this early
DrwsyClown: heya<
Draconian [1d\]: Lee Sedol is going to migrate usa, is that true?
Hobbes [1k\]: q8 standard
Hobbes [1k\]: q9 special plan
herissondu [4d\]: i don't know much about this fuseki though
Hobbes [1k\]: r9 kinda of weak
liptos [4k\]: i heard they will replace dancing with the stars with subbed episodes of HnG, they know how popular go will be
Merlot [1k\]: Lee Sedol is going to migrated to Mars
DrwsyClown: I think this is all standard so far
Hobbes [1k\]: p7 p4 was natural
herissondu [4d\]: really?
sedgwick [?\]: q6 normal now
herissondu [4d\]: q9 p7 p4 r9 ?
Hobbes [1k\]: now b can sacrifice q9
Merlot [1k\]: Q7
just9x9 [-\]: lee sedol is going to make some territory on mars hehe, i guess only he could do it :)
Hobbes [1k\]: for a kind of squeeze 
UsF [2d\]: q7 isnt so good here. maybe just q6
DrwsyClown: wasnt it q6?
Hobbes [1k\]: q6 now
Bauer [1k\]: q6 is understandable but not q9
Javaness [2d\]: strange for Black to pause here
Hobbes [1k\]: thats true java
mkdm [16k\]: There is no mistake they're pro, so they play more slowly
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;B[pn]C[UsF [2d\]: are those physical or virtual games?
dutch2dan [1d\]: I'd rather have m3 at l3 when playing q6, any strong player care to remark about this?
Hobbes [1k\]: after q9 r9 q6 was natural
mkdm [16k\]: both 
Hobbes [1k\]: oh
nonsense [?\]: theyre playing in LA i think
HighStoner [4k\]: they're playing in Los Angeles
Hobbes [1k\]: here it is:-)
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;W[qn]C[UsF [2d\]: ok
JesusTeAma [3k\]: q9 make white havy 
DrwsyClown: there's some thing with r3 if I recall in this fuseki
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;B[qo]C[Hobbes [1k\]: r9 was submissive, strange for w
DrwsyClown: hmmm maybe that was before r6
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;W[lo]C[herissondu [4d\]: strange
DrwsyClown: m5 looks weird too, I think usual is n4?
just9x9 [-\]: so early
Hobbes [1k\]: w is not finding his pace imo
Hobbes [1k\]: too slow and then in a hurry
Javaness [2d\]: M5 is hardly wierd compared to N4
yanyan [?\]: seems very unremarkable so far
sedgwick [?\]: white's style usually peaceful
humppa [3d?\]: so many bad comments
galacticgo [1k\]: why are they bad
DrwsyClown: maybe that's because its the micro that I'm confused
nonsense [?\]: whoa james sedgwick?
nonsense [?\]: hi!
sedgwick [?\]: yes?
sedgwick [?\]: Who are you?:)
nonsense [?\]: <-- frank lam..we climbed ranier together :P
sedgwick [?\]: Ahh, hi Frank
GotopiaTV [?\]: oh, its frank
just9x9 [-\]: Frank Nonense, now thats a nice name :P
nonsense [?\]: :)
WildTi [8k\]: :)
jungle [?\]: they won all games?
nonsense [?\]: reflects my go
selpahi [1d\]: Both are undefeated
yanyan [?\]: frankincense?
Hobbes [1k\]: I'm Nonsense, Frank Nonsense :-))
DrwsyClown: k4
nonsense [?\]: hi nonsense :)..anyway back to game discussion :O
Lesmian [1d\]: do you know what is the most aggressive response here? Surely it should be played
DrwsyClown: ...
Lesmian [1d\]: :)
dutch2dan [1d\]: l66 pretty aggressive...
alfi [4k\]: m7?
just9x9 [-\]: reducing here is considered right timing anyway? i dunno much about this fuseki...
selpahi [1d\]: L5 obviously
dutch2dan [1d\]: OOPS, l6
selpahi [1d\]: L6 **
Merlot [1k\]: M4 is ok
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;B[oo]C[GotopiaTV [?\]: thats a big keima 
herissondu [4d\]: p5 is nice
liptos [4k\]: protect the cut, good idea
DrwsyClown: I don't like it, dunno why
sedgwick [?\]: since w did not play the normal p5 probe nice fighting spirit for b to take it:)
dutch2dan [1d\]: most aggressive move
dutch2dan [1d\]: no weakness for w to explore
DrwsyClown: feels slow this early
Hobbes [1k\]: j4? or h3?
UsF [2d\]: the weakness is now the m3 stone itself
Lesmian [1d\]: m3 is weakened
liptos [4k\]: o4?
JesusTeAma [3k\]: so. white played wrong this fuseki ?
alfi [4k\]: h4?
JesusTeAma [3k\]: b seams so much better
dutch2dan [1d\]: g4?
DrwsyClown: wouldnt say wrong, I think he played differently, but I think w's doing ok
Hobbes [1k\]: I wuold fancy p3 as probe
Mukti [4d\]: L3?
WildTi [8k\]: Do somebody know the style of these two competitors ?
DrwsyClown: p3 would weaken m5 and make m3 stronger, bad idea
Hobbes [1k\]: but then♥something h-j-ish
liptos [4k\]: good style
WildTi [8k\]: :p
mooooo [6k?\]: b style is dove in the rain w style is dancing elephant
DrwsyClown: maybe e3
liptos [4k\]: crouching tiger hidden dragon
dutch2dan [1d\]: poor china (regarding the elephant)
DangoMango [4k?\]: why are these players all chinese?
JesusTeAma [3k\]: what the name of b fuseki with f3 m3 r4 ?
Muttley [2k\]: Actually, they are American
kadoban [-\]: micro-chinese
DrwsyClown: e3 f4 j4 sounds nice
laduradura [8d\]: micro-chinese...whats next?nano-chinese?
JeansebL [6d?\]: only 2 players who were not chinese lost their first 2 games :(
DangoMango [4k?\]: haha
galacticgo [1k\]: pretty sure they all have to be American to qualify
kadoban [-\]: haha, maybe. i think it's been called mini-mini-chinese as well, which could be even worse if it continued
dutch2dan [1d\]: so far for the American dream?
Herod [-\]: US and Canadian
mooooo [6k?\]: i start with k16 k9 k3 macro chinese
Hobbes [1k\]: nano chinese is q3 r8 fashion
nonsense [?\]: lol moooo
Muttley [2k\]: out of curiousity, anyone with a searchable pro database, has this position ever come up before?
Muttley [2k\]: I bet it hasn't
DrwsyClown: Je pense pas que daniel est super satisfait de ses games
galacticgo [1k\]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWynJkN5HbQ
DrwsyClown: e3 gogo
Musicaux [5d\]: this fuseki seems plain bad for white
thejurist [1k\]: why?
jungle [?\]: k3
Musicaux [5d\]: m5 was pretty bad
just9x9 [-\]: "plain bad". i love this expression :)
Musicaux [5d\]: compared to n4 shoulderhit
DangoMango [4k?\]: fuseki is too deep for amateurs to comment on
alfi [4k\]: h4!
herissondu [4d\]: i can't see a good follow up for m5
Hobbes [1k\]: r9 was the start of a bad feeling
Musicaux [5d\]: r9 wasnt wrong
Musicaux [5d\]: but r6 with r9 is considered to be wrong
DrwsyClown: I think it devieated at r6
Musicaux [5d\]: unless u tenuki
WildTi [8k\]: Galactigo, nice vid ^^
Musicaux [5d\]: like w did, but m5 was a pretty weird tenuki
humppa [3d?\]: seen it in progame
JesusTeAma [3k\]: those 2 players istill amateurs DangoMango
just9x9 [-\]: oh, i comment on even deeper things than fuseki DangoMango. hope you dont mind.
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;W[ip]C[Musicaux [5d\]: u seen what, m5?
Hobbes [1k\]: j4!
humppa [3d?\]: not m5 :)
DrwsyClown: I think e3 before j4 is better
humppa [3d?\]: r & r9
humppa [3d?\]: 6
humppa [3d?\]: but w played q8
humppa [3d?\]: instead of m5
Musicaux [5d\]: q8 
DrwsyClown: I like j4 tho
DangoMango [4k?\]: haha
herissondu [4d\]: j4 is interesting
DrwsyClown: just that without e3, b can just ignore e3
Muttley [2k\]: that makes a lot of sense
yorugua [6k\]: yeah
liptos [4k\]: hrmm f5?
thejurist [1k\]: b should now somehow strenghten his f3 stone and attack the j4 m5 sotnes right?
yorugua [6k\]: easy to ignore e3 without e3
DrwsyClown: nah, I think b should treat f3 lightly from here
DrwsyClown: ok I didn't express myself correctly, if w e3 first, it comes out better if b ignores it, than if w e3 later, and b ignores it, therefore, if e3 first, b answers, later, he can choose to ignore it
alfi [4k\]: h5
thejurist [1k\]: what does h5 do?
DrwsyClown: b should just go top
HighStoner [4k\]: i want to see l5 =)
DrwsyClown: like f17
alfi [4k\]: counterspell
DrwsyClown: or l5 if he wants some action now, but I think it's bad
WildTi [8k\]: The same for me HighStoner ;)
Hobbes [1k\]: can't find a way to use p5 thickness... so yes f17 is tempting
herissondu [4d\]: he can't play l5
alfi [4k\]: y h5 only
dutch2dan [1d\]: k5?
herissondu [4d\]: maybe h5 is interesting
johnny [6k\]: B d2 and j2
herissondu [4d\]: but way too complcated
DrwsyClown: I think h5 is too early
goren2 [2k\]: bf6
WildTi [8k\]: F6 ?
Goprince [5d\]: d2
DrwsyClown: f17, decide later
Hobbes [1k\]: m5 start loocking as an answered kikashi....that's a problem for b
GotopiaTV [?\]: e5  would be my move
Musicaux [5d\]: c14 direction should be considered
thejurist [1k\]: c14 rather than f17?
DrwsyClown: it should be considered, but they are probably about equivalent... totally different games though
DrwsyClown: depend on style
Musicaux [5d\]: its not about style
Musicaux [5d\]: its about direction of play
caglard [11k\]: too slow
HighStoner [4k\]: negative
just9x9 [-\]: i still didnt get the e3 timing thing DrwsyClown. why is it easier to ignore e3 later? cuz presence of j4?
Musicaux [5d\]: im not sure which is the right one, but f17 seems pushing white right where he needs
Thoravatar [3d\]: the direction of c14 is is strange
thejurist [1k\]: you think w will answer with c14 or so
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;B[fo]C[Musicaux [5d\]: but honestly maybe just jumping at f5 is good
liptos [4k\]: haha
Thoravatar [3d\]: the largest open space must be more important
Musicaux [5d\]: if b would give w sente
Musicaux [5d\]: with f17
Musicaux [5d\]: e3 could be very crucial for b
tas6466 [5k?\]: f5 is sente thats why he did it most likely
Hobbes [1k\]: so p5 drive the dance here
DrwsyClown: f5 not rly sente, w can choose to play away anytime here
GotopiaTV [?\]: e3 f2 n3 
Huldioho [7k\]: why is f5 sente?
DrwsyClown: but continuing is more likely
tas6466 [5k?\]: because w played j4
maxime6 [2d\]: j4 is light
DrwsyClown: nah, that's no reason, j4 already good for bottom
herissondu [4d\]: e3 f2 f17 
just9x9 [-\]: j4/m5 stones are weak now, and f5 kind of prepares an attack, thats why sente
DrwsyClown: only reason w might continue is because of corner imo, else he might just play tenuki
just9x9 [-\]: d2 then?
alfi [4k\]: n3?
jungle [?\]: j6 
maxime6 [2d\]: j4/m5 are light, difficult to attack both severly
DrwsyClown: d2 or e3 seems nice locally, maybe tenuki really, not sure
Hobbes [1k\]: e3 f2 p3 ?
Schnapps [2k\]: Don't know micro chineese very well, but I like white's go :)
DrwsyClown: j4 already accomplished something
DrwsyClown: k16-ish maybe
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;W[mq]C[GotopiaTV [?\]: ha
DrwsyClown: must be something there for w to play this
herissondu [4d\]: want to settle quickly
tas6466 [5k?\]: yeah worried about settling
DrwsyClown: I think it's more to play against f3 than settling his stones
Hobbes [1k\]: with w settled f5 looks dame
DrwsyClown: nah f5 is quite big, cuts the possibilities of influence
Hobbes [1k\]: not a very positive thing to do
Hobbes [1k\]: just prevent the other
DrwsyClown: for w to profit his stones from here he wants an attack and get some points on the side, at least that's how I see it with n3
DrwsyClown: sometimes the biggest point on the board is to play your opponent's biggest ;)
DrwsyClown: well I'm not sure if f5 is the best move tho, but it's not a bad move
tas6466 [5k?\]: l3 looks fun
Hobbes [1k\]: not bad but not building
mikake [6k\]: <3
goren2 [2k\]: b k4
DrwsyClown: in that sense, m5 was not building neither
maxime6 [2d\]: n4
tas6466 [5k?\]: n4 gives w what he wants
maxime6 [2d\]: m4 doesnt works
tas6466 [5k?\]: i said l3 looks fun and tesugi-like
Schnapps [2k\]: tas, if l3 is a tesugi, what goal does it accomplish?
tas6466 [5k?\]: split the groups.. keep white floating.. 
herissondu [4d\]: it's an interesting move, l3
DrwsyClown: I think it's interesting too, but needs some reading
Schnapps [2k\]: I agree that l3's interesting. Just not sure that it does what black wants
herissondu [4d\]: every move here need some reading
herissondu [4d\]: n2 is too low
herissondu [4d\]: b wants to be aggressive but it's hard with those 3 w stones
Schnapps [2k\]: yeah, crawling isn't good enough
herissondu [4d\]: don't say that shnapps, maybe he'll play it^^
Schnapps [2k\]: and tenukying is hardly an option
maxime6 [2d\]: l3, j6, n4, tenuki
Schnapps [2k\]: If he plays n2/tenukis, then he will have made a mistake :P
thejurist [1k\]: b can first n4 and then l3 ?
tas6466 [5k?\]: why n4? why not l5 max?
DrwsyClown: I like l3 here actually
maxime6 [2d\]: if b l5, w l6 and w will get stronger
tas6466 [5k?\]: b will too and w's groups are split
maxime6 [2d\]: if w have j6, l5 is not a good idea
seishiro [3k?\]: how about o4?
seishiro [3k?\]: i mean o3
DrwsyClown: with l3 b has no problem and if w back off to connect j4, then b won some points and f3 is a bit stronger
tas6466 [5k?\]: is it strong enough?
DrwsyClown: so after l3 probably w plays more on the n3 side, in which case b can cut j4, but that'S a bit complicated too
herissondu [4d\]: when you say 'b won some points', where is it?
tas6466 [5k?\]: bottom?
TitanPupil [1k\]: i think b n4 :)
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;B[mr]C[herissondu [4d\]: ahah!
DrwsyClown: well I meant it as if w plays a really safe move to connect j4, like k5, but he won't, that's why I said he'd go for the other side
TitanPupil [1k\]: haha
Schnapps [2k\]: :D
tas6466 [5k?\]: seems so slow
Schnapps [2k\]: Now I look dumb :P
DrwsyClown: maybe l3 m4 is what happens
herissondu [4d\]: slow sometimes mean strong
caglard [11k\]: mega slow
Merlot [1k\]: n2 is weak response
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;W[mp]C[death101 [1k\]: is there a way to get our hands on the sgf files of the game later? 
Konservas [1d\]: how n2 is weak?
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;B[kr]C[DrwsyClown: I dont like n2 :/
herissondu [4d\]: mmmm
death101 [1k\]: n2 only response
TitanPupil [1k\]: i like this
DrwsyClown: well no
tas6466 [5k?\]: i don't either
Schnapps [2k\]: I prefered l3 to n2
mikake [6k\]: death101, clone the game
DrwsyClown: b could've played l2 directly instead of n2
Backseeed [4d\]: l2 would be a possible respons
herissondu [4d\]: i wonder why he didn't play l2 drectly instead of n3
death101 [1k\]: can't clone on phone
msgreg [15k?\]: SGF files will be posted on the AGA website: http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-results-2013
Schnapps [2k\]: Maybe a split's incomming
Schnapps [2k\]: Would explain black making w heavier with n2
death101 [1k\]: thanks msgreg
DrwsyClown: henssondu you mean l2 instead of n2*?
DrwsyClown: or you mean w l2?
herissondu [4d\]: i mean l2 instead of n2
msgreg [15k?\]: (yesterday's are already there, for example)
msgreg [15k?\]: yw
tas6466 [5k?\]: hmm so w still floating... but still has sente?
DrwsyClown: yeah I wonder that too
Konservas [1d\]: white has problems ;>
DrwsyClown: l2 seemed superior to me
humppa [3d?\]: this was forced for both sides
horowitz [1d\]: Go Caru-chan~~
humppa [3d?\]: and good for w
horowitz [1d\]: Become pro so I can call you Caru-sensei~
herissondu [4d\]: c'est trop compliqué ces combats
TitanPupil [1k\]: hi keiju
harleyyy: whos that?
DrwsyClown: p-ê qu'il a pas vu l2
WildTi [8k\]: Does somebody know the KGS pseudos of these 2 players ?
herissondu [4d\]: peut etre, faut voir
Ltd [?\]: p3 
harleyyy: hello all
nachodude [-\]: hi Titan
harleyyy: i like white
TitanPupil [1k\]: hi
harleyyy: hi nacho
galacticgo [1k\]: salut clown
DrwsyClown: I prefer white here too
DrwsyClown: salut
herissondu [4d\]: mais dans ce cas on peut imaginer l2 n4 h3 ?
herissondu [4d\]: ça fait bizarre aussi
humppa [3d?\]: french....
harleyyy: hi for all
harleyyy: enjoy the game
death101 [1k\]: white can't tenuki
DrwsyClown: je pense que c'est mieux quand même parce que noir est plus fort du côté de f3
death101 [1k\]: m8
tas6466 [5k?\]: maybe n2 was to prevent w from settling in the corner
thejurist [1k\]: p3 seems nice shape wise but i do not see how it helps w to settle
flurpel [2d\]: go clavin!
maxime6 [2d\]: w is now heavy
death101 [1k\]: m9 seems better
herissondu [4d\]: such a difficult position
Luffyy [3d\]: might be heavy but b lost many points
harleyyy: i don't know where w can play now
death101 [1k\]: p3 is slow
TitanPupil [1k\]: does b want k5?
just9x9 [-\]: j6?
Ltd [-\]: how can be w heavy?
herissondu [4d\]: but we can say j4 is placed werdly
DrwsyClown: w still a bit light imo, depends on what he wants
herissondu [4d\]: p3 quite interesting
TitanPupil [1k\]: hi sume :\]
Luffyy [3d\]: p3 is important point I think
death101 [1k\]: k5 seems finr but to early for blavk
DrwsyClown: p3 is not urgent
]
;W[gp]C[herissondu [4d\]: p3 seems vital
]
;B[fp]C[maxime6 [2d\]: cannot sacrifice n3 now
death101 [1k\]: g4 very nice
Woodstock [-\]: K6 maybe
maxime6 [2d\]: why ?
herissondu [4d\]: drwsyclown, c'est quoi ton niveau?
just9x9 [-\]: g4 making p3 sente?
DrwsyClown: not sure if g4 is nice :S
harleyyy: g2 imo
tas6466 [5k?\]: g4 seems despret
DrwsyClown: d2?
Woodstock [-\]: white wants to connect first
harleyyy: i saw some pro games with g2
harleyyy: but i must be wrong
horowitz [1d\]: i believe in caru chan
Konservas [1d\]: h2 ?:>
maxime6 [2d\]: w must connect somehow
maxime6 [2d\]: before spliting
death101 [1k\]: k5 seems fine
herissondu [4d\]: h2 would be legit
maxime6 [2d\]: a bit awkwarrds
TitanPupil [1k\]: gan is 16?17?
death101 [1k\]: gives strong shape
BlackSmurf [1d\]: well i would k6 so i guess he'll play elsewhere
Thoravatar [3d\]: k5 is heavy
Konservas [1d\]: j4 m5 shape seems weak
death101 [1k\]: I dont see much else
Konservas [1d\]: large ogeima
harleyyy: where are they from?
DrwsyClown: h2 is legit shape wise, but I think corner is too open :/
death101 [1k\]: usa
]
;W[hn]C[flurpel [2d\]: jianing from canada
DrwsyClown: h6 is interesting
Loxios [1d\]: it's a shape move
Thoravatar [3d\]: i don't like white's shape
harleyyy: sounds like a really heavy one
just9x9 [-\]: h6 doggy style :)
horowitz [1d\]: wot
harleyyy: i prefer H7
death101 [1k\]: h6 just so small 
DrwsyClown: h7 works less well with m5 no?
Woodstock [-\]: a little thin
kadoban [-\]: h7 looks a bit thin with white's other stones
horowitz [1d\]: how is h6 doggy style??
tas6466 [5k?\]: tenuki?
]
;B[nq]C[harleyyy: what is a doggy style ?
harleyyy: wow.. f7 and setle
horowitz [1d\]: idek
maxime6 [2d\]: h6 isnt for pts noob ! its for shape
just9x9 [-\]: g4 j4 h6 dogs face
harleyyy: settle*
DrwsyClown: d2
kadoban [-\]: i think it's called a dog-face or something
Herod [-\]: dog face shape is what it's called
horowitz [1d\]: i thoght it was a mouse
Thoravatar [3d\]: h6 is an attacking move, you can qualify it by size
maxime6 [2d\]: monkey face
kadoban [-\]: the larger one being a horse-face
sume [6d\]: o3 so large
tas6466 [5k?\]: looks weird
death101 [1k\]: harelly u dont wanna know
Luffyy [3d\]: o3 very big
caglard [11k\]: H6 seems Doggy Style
thejurist [1k\]: hehe b takes his big fat corner
harleyyy: i though it was called horse or bottle shape
sume [6d\]: like 20 pts
laduradura [8d\]: for me doggy style is a little bit different
Falcon89 [4k\]: does Jianing lives in the BC province?
Herod [-\]: h7 would be horse face
maxime6 [2d\]: g4 j4 h6 is the monkey face
sedgwick [?\]: Jianing is in Windsor ontario
harleyyy: so isnt H6 = SAKE shape?
seishiro [3k?\]: h7 why not triangle shape 
Falcon89 [4k\]: thx    sed
harleyyy: d2 or f7?
Thoravatar [3d\]: black solves a problem,
]
;W[fm]C[death101 [1k\]: now white hurting
horowitz [1d\]: this laduradura
thejurist [1k\]: w better get some serious profit from chasing the f4 group
Konservas [1d\]: how is white hurting?:D
Luffyy [3d\]: but w seems fine
Konservas [1d\]: this was black area to begin with
DrwsyClown: doesnt look like w wants to chase
harleyyy: b's corner is really huge
harleyyy: b got cash
galacticgo [1k\]: b rich
]
;B[dq]C[harleyyy: :D
death101 [1k\]: d3 hmm
harleyyy: O17
tas6466 [5k?\]: b is like this corner looks nice too
DrwsyClown: d2 was better than f7 no? 
]
;W[cq]C[sedgwick [?\]: not sure:)
maxime6 [2d\]: depend of w style
]
;B[cr]C[kadoban [-\]: hard to say. this way white's group is more settled
just9x9 [-\]: question of style maybe?
harleyyy: w is a moyoishid style
TitanPupil [1k\]: i like f7 more
just9x9 [-\]: f7 looks strange shape though
harleyyy: yes because of symetry?
harleyyy: E7 seems a cut point
DrwsyClown: yeah but b got a lot of cash and w barely has something to call a moyo for this stage of the game
]
;W[dr]
;B[eq]C[DrwsyClown: it's just too wide open
]
;W[br]C[harleyyy: we could tell that b has adult go style
]
;B[cp]
;W[bq]C[horowitz [1d\]: "adult go style"
tas6466 [5k?\]: ?
JosEquis [1d\]: Keep in mind it's normal for b to get a big corner or moyo in Go...it's not a sign w is behind
Schnapps [2k\]: what does adult go style even mean?
gosta [1k\]: but w will gain sente and play a big move
horowitz [1d\]: He takes a shot every time he plays a move.
caglard [11k\]: adult go style is playing sexy moves
Schnapps [2k\]: lol
just9x9 [-\]: adult often means without imagination
DrwsyClown: Maybe it means that you need to strip something for each exchange where you lose something
Woodstock [-\]: black has barely more than 20 points right now
Schnapps [2k\]: Oh, I'm still a kid then. Yeah!
thejurist [1k\]: is b even alive?
]
;B[do]C[tas6466 [5k?\]: very point (cash) oriented
Le34 [-\]: on kgs kbag is calvin sun)
horowitz [1d\]: no he isn't
flurpel [2d\]: shine bright like a calvin!
kadoban [-\]: black isn't really alive yet, no
kadoban [-\]: probably can be though
tas6466 [5k?\]: yeah
just9x9 [-\]: c5 and go for the kill :))
thejurist [1k\]: i see one gote eye at the bottom
DrwsyClown: if w d7 to solidify w gets the next move on his moyo
DrwsyClown: he can also try to kill, but looks quite hard
harleyyy: i vote for D6
]
;W[dm]C[harleyyy: and you?
just9x9 [-\]: d7
tas6466 [5k?\]: w didn't like that cut
Draconian [1d\]: 7d
DrwsyClown: of course he didnt
death101 [1k\]: i would kill him
DrwsyClown: I wouldve played the same 
harleyyy: umm w played a 7d move
tas6466 [5k?\]: yeah
DrwsyClown: b lives in gote
harleyyy: the question is.. can b tenuki?
DrwsyClown: no
just9x9 [-\]: if this is sente, k16 next and w is happy
death101 [1k\]: no
Bauer [1k\]: b cannot tenuki
harleyyy: if he tenuki i will laugh
thejurist [1k\]: k`16? OR K17?
herissondu [4d\]: w is strong
DrwsyClown: b gotta think on how to live actually
]
;B[hq]C[tas6466 [5k?\]: like that
harleyyy: im starting to like white
just9x9 [-\]: g3 g2 h2?
DrwsyClown: take the tenuki now
tas6466 [5k?\]: w has a nice wall
harleyyy: first h4
horowitz [1d\]: pls everyone
just9x9 [-\]: oh, e2 then
DrwsyClown: k16 looks legit
horowitz [1d\]: believe in calvin
]
;W[iq]C[DrwsyClown: no
DrwsyClown: believe in gan
just9x9 [-\]: why should we?
horowitz [1d\]: :( calvin is my hero
just9x9 [-\]: i see
DrwsyClown: I'm canadian, go gan all the way
Waya [?\]: yes! believe in calvin
laduradura [8d\]: you should choose better next time
]
;B[ir]C[harleyyy: calvins sounds like carlson the chess player
tas6466 [5k?\]: i believe in the strongest player for north america
horowitz [1d\]: is calvin
just9x9 [-\]: how about i believe in you instead?
horowitz [1d\]: o :O thats nice
harleyyy: H2
Schnapps [2k\]: Since the only french canadian is gone, then I'll roon for Gan
DrwsyClown: why j3?
laduradura [8d\]: remi?:)
]
;W[cg]C[tas6466 [5k?\]: to live?
DrwsyClown: this looks so bad
horowitz [1d\]: gaillard?
DrwsyClown: like j3 is bad
harleyyy: d17?
Schnapps [2k\]: Remi isn'T in this tournament
herissondu [4d\]: d13 seems....
just9x9 [-\]: remi remi remi
Schnapps [2k\]: But he sure is a nice fellow :)
herissondu [4d\]: wierd
mkdm [16k\]: moyooo, black will agress !
Konservas [1d\]: good timing 
Schnapps [2k\]: I'll root for him any day
Woodstock [-\]: white already caught up
just9x9 [-\]: oh, c13 here, not k16
tas6466 [5k?\]: g7?
Woodstock [-\]: the game seems pretty even
death101 [1k\]: f16
]
;B[jc]C[just9x9 [-\]: would the high dans approve of this choice?
herissondu [4d\]: i thought of k16 or f16
herissondu [4d\]: but c13...
harleyyy: they are the high dans
DrwsyClown: probe upper right corner
Meepy [-\]: c13 is a dare
death101 [1k\]: hmm weird
harleyyy: i vote for R17
tas6466 [5k?\]: q17
harleyyy: and you?
just9x9 [-\]: well, the kibitzing crowd then :)
DrwsyClown: like q18 or q17
death101 [1k\]: k16 was my first choice but k17??
DrwsyClown: then get more moyo points
harleyyy: r17 or q17?
Woodstock [-\]: normally you don't want to play low on both sides of a 4,4-stone
Woodstock [-\]: but is might be oki
tas6466 [5k?\]: definately q17 over r17
DrwsyClown: I think k17 is better for b
harleyyy: what do you mean wood?
just9x9 [-\]: oki? what was that again?
harleyyy: oki = okey
just9x9 [-\]: nah, in japanese go terms i mean
horowitz [1d\]: oki = to pace
horowitz [1d\]: place*
hume [4k\]: p12
koogle [10k\]: oki doki means well placed stone
death101 [1k\]: d18
harleyyy: how about K15? sounds bizarre?
just9x9 [-\]: lol koogle
backpack1 [2d\]: h17
death101 [1k\]: or f18
asdfasdfe: white could ask with k15, i think its a good probe
DrwsyClown: probe corner, then go for something like j16 or k15
harleyyy: j16 makes more sense
just9x9 [-\]: j16 .9
hume [4k\]: just  q8
harleyyy: k15 seems like ddk
tas6466 [5k?\]: nope
tas6466 [5k?\]: i never played caps as ddk
tas6466 [5k?\]: lol
asdfasdfe: no, in this game center worth a lot
hume [4k\]: q8 to prepare p12
harleyyy: q8 is pass imo
DrwsyClown: p12 seems far from the action
asdfasdfe: i dont think white is interested in invading corner or enclose his own
asdfasdfe: right now
just9x9 [-\]: I LIKE K!%
DrwsyClown: w definitly doesnt care about enclosing his corner
galacticgo [1k\]: K!% op
just9x9 [-\]: sry caps. i like k15
Le34 [-\]: i like h16
just9x9 [-\]: and after that corner
DrwsyClown: he either wants sente corner invasion, some probe and then take care of middle
Schnapps [2k\]: H16 has too many problems after K15, I think
harleyyy: k15 is too easy play for b
tas6466 [5k?\]: yeah
asdfasdfe: black wouldnt let white end with sente, after he tooks his corner^^
DrwsyClown: yeah I prefer j16
harleyyy: j16 is solid as a pro
hume [4k\]: harleyy whats your rating?
tas6466 [5k?\]: black just gave w sente...
DaedDragon [3k\]: I imagine he is counting the score after various continuations
harleyyy: i don't know, i'm trying to using weirdo kibitz but 3k maybe
hume [4k\]: ok
Le34 [-\]: after after k15  doing j14
DaedDragon [3k\]: how big is the upper right if b gets one more move?
Le34 [-\]: i mean h15 k15 j14
tas6466 [5k?\]: too big
DaedDragon [3k\]: is the left big enough to counter it?
koogle [10k\]: upper right is nothing yet
ticktock [2d?\]: I don't like timing of white invasion in upper right now.  
DrwsyClown: hmmm h15 looks ok too
harleyyy: j16 makes sense for me, since there is a hole near Q10 and many moves at top right later
just9x9 [-\]: wut LE34? now h15 for white?
tas6466 [5k?\]: yeah but not with bottome right
Le34 [-\]: h 16
Le34 [-\]: miss 
]
;W[fh]C[harleyyy: b should play K12
DaedDragon [3k\]: ha ha!
Schnapps [2k\]: wut?!
tas6466 [5k?\]: interesting...
DrwsyClown: woa f12 looks too shy
ticktock [2d?\]: wow
hume [4k\]: solid choice
just9x9 [-\]: f12, now thats ddk to me
Thoravatar [3d\]: weird move
Thoravatar [3d\]: y
harleyyy: what a move!
tas6466 [5k?\]: yep
koogle [10k\]: k16 = F12?
DrwsyClown: q17
tas6466 [5k?\]: ddk to me too
DaedDragon [3k\]: Is the left territory now?
tinca [-\]: simple-minded?
Schnapps [2k\]: Is it a misclick from USGO?
death101 [1k\]: derp
thejurist [1k\]: so curious how he determined this position and not g13 or so
tas6466 [5k?\]: maybe
goren2 [2k\]: excellent move
harleyyy: can't be a missclick
asdfasdfe: the problem of this move is, it isnt big since b4 of black is sente, black still can reduce from below
flurpel [2d\]: agree only move
death101 [1k\]: its an ok move
Konservas [1d\]: how one choose this move :>
DrwsyClown: b q17 makes it quite hard on w, b got a lot of cash
harleyyy: is this 100% territory?
backpack1 [2d\]: f12 feels to close to f7
DaedDragon [3k\]: Imagine, without this move, if b started at d12
ticktock [2d?\]: F12 would be a normal boundary for black reduction, but seems like white is confident.
flurpel [2d\]: i'd be tempted to q17
flurpel [2d\]: idk
harleyyy: white won
ad4: how can this be the only move?
tas6466 [5k?\]: i thik i would just g17...
harleyyy: f12 was 9p help
asdfasdfe: its too passive, my teacher would blame me right away if i played like this
thejurist [1k\]: is your teacher 7d?
goren2 [2k\]: you have a bad teacher
asdfasdfe: 3p
DrwsyClown: q17 says "ok, get your shy move, I'll get the move I really want, fair trade
harleyyy: he must be breakfast
hume [4k\]: w has almost a wall, so f12 not passive at all
flurpel [2d\]: thx clown for backing me up
Schnapps [2k\]: Choi Cheolhan 9P would agree with this move, I'm sure
ad4: i can see how this move would turn out to be a good one eventually but black has to be really dumb not being able to reduce w
koogle [10k\]: unless you were 7d then you're teacher would be somewhat circumspect in his commentary about the same move
asdfasdfe: for gods sake no!
harleyyy: lyonweiqi?
herissondu [4d\]: f12....
herissondu [4d\]: i really don't like this move
Le34 [-\]: i'm not think that f12 is passive
Schnapps [2k\]: Imagine the face of Calvin right now :D
horowitz [1d\]: he is picking his nose
just9x9 [-\]: its not passive. its superpassive
ad4: i wonder what b is thinking now
koogle [10k\]: passive, aggressive... it's huge
harleyyy: b should play P17
harleyyy: and ruin w dreams
laduradura [8d\]: I like f12
goren2 [2k\]: w then plays h17 or j12.  both nice options
Schnapps [2k\]: Doesn't b have to approach at F17?
DaedDragon [3k\]: p17 then e17... even trade, so no hurry
JosEquis [1d\]: respond to a weird move with another one... K12
herissondu [4d\]: f12 doesn't make a lot of points
laduradura [8d\]: zyoda,why dont you play on this tournament?you would have a good chance to win it no?
harleyyy: zyoda would win this 
horowitz [1d\]: he doesn't want to be pro
flurpel [2d\]: u have to qualify for this
JosEquis [1d\]: is zyoda north american?
Le34 [-\]: i'm too
Konservas [1d\]: simply he doesnt want to be pro
DrwsyClown: not really daeddragon, after q17 b can opt for k15
tas6466 [5k?\]: he's thinking he wants 50 points i think...
DrwsyClown: or fancier
harleyyy: zyoda is not a pro, he is sai
DrwsyClown: like j14
DrwsyClown: heck maybe j12
Schnapps [2k\]: Please, harleyyy, don't insult sai
goren2 [2k\]: b k14
goren2 [2k\]: or k15
ad4: i fear f12 wont pay off
]
;B[pl]C[tas6466 [5k?\]: wow
Schnapps [2k\]: lol, so many tenukis
harleyyy: wow q8 was said by a 5k earlier
harleyyy: i remember
DaedDragon [3k\]: b hopes to chase those w stones
DrwsyClown: I'd hesitate here as w lol
hume [4k\]: if k15 w k12, so wasnt so good
tas6466 [5k?\]: not think 5k
tas6466 [5k?\]: this*
ticktock [2d?\]: only target
DrwsyClown: q11?
DaedDragon [3k\]: who wants to bet w will tenuki?
harleyyy: i bet 
death101 [1k\]: not me
harleyyy: 10 dollars
kadoban [-\]: i doubt tenuki...
]
;W[pj]C[asdfasdfe: but now after f12 any  other moves toward the center from white will let f12 looks bad
DrwsyClown: w definitly wants to go out
DaedDragon [3k\]: gimmee that $10!
asdfasdfe: white will be overconcentrade
harleyyy: i will put in kgs plus for u
DrwsyClown: bad trade for black
tas6466 [5k?\]: what is go i don't even understand
ad4: k15 or j16 would ve been so nice
harleyyy: go is a vern
DrwsyClown: I don't understand q8
harleyyy: verb*
Meepy [-\]: p12
Schnapps [2k\]: Nobody understands F12, we don't understand q8... Maybe we should all quit go :D
DrwsyClown: maybe b wants to solidify his corner in sente
ad4: q8 is obvious
i1337 [2d\]: w should defend g7 cut to make strong moyo
harleyyy: i was thinking on that chnapps
ad4: f12 is soooo odd and probably slack
DrwsyClown: well I understand f12, I just think it's too shy
tas6466 [5k?\]: on the other hand...
flurpel [2d\]: oh clown senpai ^__^
tas6466 [5k?\]: b responded with q8
blitztrain [2d\]: is there a stream?
harleyyy: isnt there a 9p bot teacher?
blitztrain [2d\]: or any info on their age?
Schnapps [2k\]: no stream I think
tas6466 [5k?\]: maybe it was to confuse his opponent
DaedDragon [3k\]: But f12 makes a giant wheel! (with c13 and d16)... it's a fine move!
asdfasdfe: this two stones of black will help later attacking whites stones in the center, easy
death101 [1k\]: stongest bot is 5 dan
death101 [1k\]: blitzer
flurpel [2d\]: zen is 6d i thought
DrwsyClown: maybe w was afraid that b would play d12 or something if he didnt play close enough
tas6466 [5k?\]: i rly want b to do like g6
Schnapps [2k\]: Now probing at Q18 then going G17 seem strong for white
death101 [1k\]: nah 5
harleyyy: s11?
death101 [1k\]: he sometimes floats to 6
DrwsyClown: there are some weaknesses after all...
]
;B[fk]C[flurpel [2d\]: wao
harleyyy: omg
flurpel [2d\]: ._.
Schnapps [2k\]: WOW!!!
DaedDragon [3k\]: whee!
tas6466 [5k?\]: trollololol
harleyyy: :::::::O!
mkdm [16k\]: yolo
flurpel [2d\]: this clavin
flurpel [2d\]: aiming for g7 prob
fsfsdf: Yes!!!!
ticktock [2d?\]: an ear move
Schnapps [2k\]: Gan used taunt. It's super effective
Hobbes [1k\]: calvin.go!
i1337 [2d\]: not unexpected
DaedDragon [3k\]: so, now we know what q8 was about
blitztrain [2d\]: how old are they?
flurpel [2d\]: younger than you
DrwsyClown: yeah not unexpected ;)
blitztrain [2d\]: i doubt that :)
harleyyy: f9 is so obvious
harleyyy: :)
DrwsyClown: not my style much, but it's a good move
i1337 [2d\]: ;-)
i1337 [2d\]: b attacks weakness
EMeeren [9k\]: gan is 16 i think?
caglard [11k\]: this game may continue 10 more hours?
DrwsyClown: g8
just9x9 [-\]: depends if there is a lunch break calard
flurpel [2d\]: probably 13 more hours
ad4: f9 says "ok, now pls tell me what were you thinking when you moved f12"
]
;W[hk]C[ticktock [2d?\]: Good.
Schnapps [2k\]: And the cap!
Schnapps [2k\]: We're in for a treat guys
DaedDragon [3k\]: w likes to fight... fun to watch
ticktock [2d?\]: White could abide backing off at d9
DrwsyClown: that's interesting, because w is building something here
DrwsyClown: see m5
ad4: now if b starts to struggle in the centre, maybe f12 will pay off
DrwsyClown: that's some points there
Schnapps [2k\]: If you look at the sector lines, F9 was too deep. But then again, who am I to question Sun-san?
DrwsyClown: also after w deals with b's upper corner, he could l16 now
harleyyy: it is very deep, i would die there
DaedDragon [3k\]: how about g11 now?
harleyyy: cus i cannot read
harleyyy: e12?
tas6466 [5k?\]: i think i would h8 
DrwsyClown: it's not really too deep, b can still back off at g11
DrwsyClown: and get more because he played f9 first
]
;B[ch]C[harleyyy: wow
i1337 [2d\]: oh
ad4: sabaki will follow
Schnapps [2k\]: oh lord...
harleyyy: obvious again!
mkdm [16k\]: yolo
DrwsyClown: someone will cry at the end of this game
death101 [1k\]: 0.0
CharizardZ [1k\]: i was expecting e12
i1337 [2d\]: not unexpected
just9x9 [-\]: no mercedes benz for you schnapps
tas6466 [5k?\]: so cocky
harleyyy: why i can't think in this moves}
Konservas [1d\]: black wants to see what aji he got
DrwsyClown: I think this is rash from b
herissondu [4d\]: f9...
ad4: coz you dont have a rank?
herissondu [4d\]: i don't get f9
harleyyy: yes
Schnapps [2k\]: D13?
herissondu [4d\]: is that so urgent?
tas6466 [5k?\]: no
harleyyy: c12?
DrwsyClown: he destroys a lot of aji in the corner with this move, so he needs to make c12 work
tas6466 [5k?\]: that is the point
DrwsyClown: or that might just cost him the game
herissondu [4d\]: c12 will work
herissondu [4d\]: w's shape is quite thin
]
;W[dg]C[harleyyy: f9 is a trap for kyus, like when you are fishing, its just a distraction
just9x9 [-\]: if b lives there, he can afford stabilizing w in the UR corner id say
just9x9 [-\]: UL i mean
DrwsyClown: yeah thats why I say he needs to make c12 work
DaedDragon [3k\]: funny, I was thinking of  b starting at c11, only off by one line!
tas6466 [5k?\]: now what f11?
harleyyy: F11 imo
DrwsyClown: but if c12 doesnt end up working, that's pretty much the end I think
asdfasdfe: c12 very bad
Rememberr [6k\]: seems impossible mission 
harleyyy: asdfas how u dare 
just9x9 [-\]: one line is the difference between life and death :)
DrwsyClown: also, c12 not really necessary like move
blitztrain [2d\]: dea, a very important line :)
asdfasdfe: he just make it harder to invade whites corner
mkdm [16k\]: e11 ?
backpack1 [2d\]: there was no need for b to invade this early
harleyyy: g11 when you cannot read
harleyyy: f11 for readers
asdfasdfe: you are right
DrwsyClown: there's no room to live there for b, he still needs to run, therefore c12 feels wasted
]
;B[bg]C[asdfasdfe: i also dont understand this invasion
just9x9 [-\]: b4 c1 c8
mkdm [16k\]: yolo
harleyyy: i need to gain that skillz
]
;W[bf]C[DrwsyClown: I think I get b's plan
i1337 [2d\]: b4
i1337 [2d\]: that's the plan
tas6466 [5k?\]: thats nuts
i1337 [2d\]: then g7 (second plan)
Konservas [1d\]: black makes ko?:D
Konservas [1d\]: b11 a13 a12 ?:>
herissondu [4d\]: a weak group's gonna run
Hobbes [1k\]: this game did a ddk turn imo
Achiles [2k?\]: yea ko
harleyyy: the plan is, use a lot of random stones, then get out with the simple move
harleyyy: :)
DrwsyClown: lol
Achiles [2k?\]: stochastic go?
just9x9 [-\]: ddk=dan drives kyu
ad4: :D
tas6466 [5k?\]: the plan is do shenagans, have fun, upset opponent, profit
ad4: that is cheap
flurpel [2d\]: oh my gat 
ad4: except for the 'have fun' part
flurpel [2d\]: i come back to this?
flurpel [2d\]: this clavin
DaedDragon [3k\]: Would any high dans be so kind as to explain what's going on here?
tas6466 [5k?\]: yes
flurpel [2d\]: b trying to make sabaki
flurpel [2d\]: or life
harleyyy: you can also let a 30kyu for play in the invasion area, then you play the last move for escape
just9x9 [-\]: or aji :)
harleyyy: :|
ad4: flurpel check out f12 :D
fatih [3d\]: thx flurpel
jungle [?\]: yes i dont think he is planning to die
asdfasdfe: its not sabaki, in this small area is only live or die
DrwsyClown: b wants to trade upper corner for more reduction on the side, maybe even local life
harleyyy: why seems like b is better than w?
DrwsyClown: it just seems, they both about same strenght
]
;B[el]C[asdfasdfe: white already gained a lot, you just have to look closer at the board
death101 [1k\]: because you are crazy
blitztrain [2d\]: he read he is alive
DaedDragon [3k\]: He's just gonna live!
]
;W[em]C[blitztrain [2d\]: c8
]
;B[cl]C[DrwsyClown: I think gan made it to final of losing bracket on the first pro tournament, no?
tas6466 [5k?\]: b do don't care he just be honey b-adgering
Schnapps [2k\]: if b lives, then he's ahead bu tons
herissondu [4d\]: i don't understand <what b is doiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing
harleyyy: i don't too
tas6466 [5k?\]: winning
harleyyy: but he must be right
i1337 [2d\]: don't worry, u r not alone!!
Schnapps [2k\]: C10?
Draconian [1d\]: who can stop g11?
ad4: i dont understand what w is doing :(
asdfasdfe: if thats all black got, then i think f12 was a good move, all blacks moves now just let f12 shining
DaedDragon [3k\]: b is making life!
tas6466 [5k?\]: he is making w have no points
tas6466 [5k?\]: and winning
ad4: b will live for sure
harleyyy: its weird, you try do that against a 1d, you would die harder
harleyyy: but on a 7d u got respect
]
;W[cj]C[tas6466 [5k?\]: or none
tas6466 [5k?\]: lol
DrwsyClown: c10 only move
ad4: becoz 1 dans feel they have to prove something..
flurpel [2d\]: hm looking at b4 maybe now
Thoravatar [3d\]: i think black will barely escape
herissondu [4d\]: i agree with thor
ad4: i hope black dies
tas6466 [5k?\]: d10?
harleyyy: +1 for ad4
blitztrain [2d\]: id really like seeing their faces
DrwsyClown: this just got so complicated
flurpel [2d\]: but why not q17 and do this later? :(
harleyyy: if b dies he will prove that we cannot do this things
flurpel [2d\]: if he lives it's gote
Schnapps [2k\]: he won't live
ad4: yes, touching something in the upper right is more important
DrwsyClown: if he lives w got no territory
Schnapps [2k\]: He needs to run away
tas6466 [5k?\]: if he lives it doesn't matter if it is gote
tas6466 [5k?\]: lol
Salers [1d\]: hard for b...
asdfasdfe: just escape its not enough, whites center is far stronger now then 10 moves before, his corner is also stronger now
gogonuts [5d\]: i like calvins play, nice flow
harleyyy: ok, lessons learned, when the game seems too simple, don't go for it, play random sequences and not the obvious moves
gogonuts [5d\]: but elegance does not guarantee a win :-)
tas6466 [5k?\]: yes
herissondu [4d\]: really?
DrwsyClown: so here what most likely happens is b got what he wants, a deeper reduction, no life (gotta run away) in exchange for corner aji
tas6466 [5k?\]: ooo c9?
fatih [3d\]: i think white is better here... it is very difficult to live without damage
Schnapps [2k\]: c9 - D10
flurpel [2d\]: b b4 firs tho
flurpel [2d\]: ?
tas6466 [5k?\]: ok... d11
Schnapps [2k\]: Why b4?
fatih [3d\]: b4 sente for corner but i think it is early
jungle [?\]: who cares about b3 group
just9x9 [-\]: threatens corner, but might be small?
asdfasdfe: black already damaged himself, he maked white a lot stronger then before, f12 shines wide over board
DrwsyClown: b will run, he just needs to threathen to live long enough to reduce all he wanted to reduce, then run
Meepy [-\]: after b4 c1, what if w g2?
Schnapps [2k\]: But running will damage the upper right
caglard [11k\]: omg just play please i fell asleep 3 times during move 56
jungle [?\]: g2 interesting meepy
tas6466 [5k?\]: you can review the game later caglard
gogonuts [5d\]: i dont know if it was good, but i really liked p5 - that was a move of an independant thinker
just9x9 [-\]: b4 c1 tenuki g2 g3 h2 j1 maybe?
DaedDragon [3k\]: caglard: dude! Just come back tomorrow and replay it as fast as you want!
USGO1 [-\]: some power tool is being deployed nearby
flurpel [2d\]: how rud
flurpel [2d\]: e
HighStoner [4k\]: how rude
HighStoner [4k\]: darn
flurpel [2d\]: hah
tas6466 [5k?\]: interesting
USGO1 [-\]: it has ceased
just9x9 [-\]: power tool? lunch?
Falcon89 [4k\]: good, thx
Hobbes [1k\]: sshh usgo1:-))
DaedDragon [3k\]: Hey USGO: describe how the players look?
blitztrain [2d\]: wasnt there sth that usgo mustnt read kibitz?
DrwsyClown: asian probably
blitztrain [2d\]: and now he is trolling hmself
Herod [-\]: They said yesterday there was jackhammering at some nearby construction site
i1337 [2d\]: who's most confident
DaedDragon [3k\]: WOrried? Happy? Confident?
fatih [3d\]: american imo
]
;B[hj]C[i1337 [2d\]: chicken!
DrwsyClown: eesh
tas6466 [5k?\]: b gets out
fatih [3d\]: i prefer none here :)
Goprince [5d\]: cant be good for b
gogonuts [5d\]: cant say it was played on impulse
i1337 [2d\]: nope
herissondu [4d\]: b can't be happy with this...
harleyyy: i1337, don't say that, i got no food here, and i am hungry ?:(
i1337 [2d\]: b was jealous
DaedDragon [3k\]: if b escapes, what's the score?
croc [4d\]: as a famous pro commentator says, b is running naked
just9x9 [-\]: 1:0 in escapes
i1337 [2d\]: naked?
jungle [?\]: i dont see this escaping
DrwsyClown: can't say yet daed
DrwsyClown: it depends on what b gets on his escape
]
;W[gj]C[harleyyy: b should die
i1337 [2d\]: bang
DrwsyClown: I think h10 is horrible
herissondu [4d\]: he deserves to die
harleyyy: h10 doesnt works at all
harleyyy: yes
flurpel [2d\]: that jackhammerinog messed it all up
fatih [3d\]: yep he deserves to die
flurpel [2d\]: :(
tas6466 [5k?\]: maybe using h10 for aji?
harleyyy: if he lives, will be a bad example for kgs and players
i1337 [2d\]: h10 works
harleyyy: so he should die
]
;B[dj]C[tas6466 [5k?\]: yep
DaedDragon [3k\]: The dan players really don'g like h10!
just9x9 [-\]: we are used to bad examples here, no worries :)
tas6466 [5k?\]: using h10 for life
gogonuts [5d\]: i think w d8 was proper
bigfry [-\]: b will live
bigfry [-\]: ez pz
harleyyy: hello gogonuts!
flurpel [2d\]: rely bigfry
gogonuts [5d\]: hello
]
;W[gk]C[Lsugyen [6d\]: b should play B4 earlier
DrwsyClown: if b lives small at b11 with stones at f9 dead, I think w stills comes off a bit ahead
just9x9 [-\]: g9 wow
harleyyy: die die die!
just9x9 [-\]: w got emo here
gogonuts [5d\]: w g10 is dangerous - ofcourse if it works completely b can pack his bags
Thoravatar [3d\]: big statement by white
flurpel [2d\]: his kbag
flurpel [2d\]: you could say
Betwixt [5d\]: lsugyen why are you not participating?
harleyyy: q10 looks perfect
jungle [?\]: it looks like a high dan l&d problem
gogonuts [5d\]: but its the kind of move that gives a weak group momentum
blitztrain [2d\]: lsugyen, b4 was too small double gote 
flurpel [2d\]: too small?
tas6466 [5k?\]: I don't see where w has points
flurpel [2d\]: so big
herissondu [4d\]: heeee?
blitztrain [2d\]: not in opening as double gote
jungle [?\]: b4 is 15 points max
liptos [4k\]: w has points around s8 area
herissondu [4d\]: b will die in gote
flurpel [2d\]: it leaves b6 opportunity
Jimmy3d [-\]: white doesn't have any point imo
tas6466 [5k?\]: b11
i1337 [2d\]: i like g9: solid
DrwsyClown: this is critical moment in the game, like game is decided here
bigfry [-\]: b will live
bigfry [-\]: its not that hard
flurpel [2d\]: lul
gogonuts [5d\]: ko isnt good enough for b, no ko would be dissapointing for w
Hobbes [1k\]: definetely f12 taunted b
DaedDragon [3k\]: how should he start?
DrwsyClown: it depends on how big b lives, or if he dies
liptos [4k\]: c11?
koogle [10k\]: b lives, w gains outside
DaedDragon [3k\]: clamp?
Jimmy3d [-\]: I highly doubt b can die here
DaedDragon [3k\]: Where is b's first move to live?
herissondu [4d\]: can someone comment this game? ^^
Jimmy3d [-\]: B7 senta right?
herissondu [4d\]: an younggil where are you
tas6466 [5k?\]: ask andy lol
gogonuts [5d\]: thats right koogle, but i think not enough to make the position equal
DrwsyClown: I think b lives too, I just don't see if w get to kill d10 or not (i.e. b lives crawling on the other side)
galacticgo [1k\]: where is keiju when you need him
harleyyy: keiju is my master
Jimmy3d [-\]: B7 sente, then B9  or B10?
bigfry [-\]: keiju
flurpel [2d\]: :(
caglard [11k\]: keiju is my sensei
bigfry [-\]: same
dutch2dan [1d\]: swwetrip, any comments?
Jimmy3d [-\]: l0l
dutch2dan [1d\]: ** sweet
harleyyy: oh boy
DaedDragon [3k\]: Sweetrip! laduradura!  How should b start to live be force?
]
;B[ci]C[tas6466 [5k?\]: ohhh
koogle [10k\]: gpgp, w stronger outside helps Q10, and UR still open to debate, right?
tas6466 [5k?\]: b11 got it
]
;W[bj]C[bigfry [-\]: its so hard to kill people at this level
jungle [?\]: sweatrip is less enjoyable
harleyyy: b must die all the days that i read 1 page book peer day! please!!! :D
koogle [10k\]: gog*nuts
gogonuts [5d\]: a really strong player has to tell us; was d10 good, or should b have cut first?
Madzilla [4d?\]: diificult game for W unless he can kill cleanly
ad4: is b already dying?
ad4: anyway, that fight there is so goofy
ad4: it's just small
liptos [4k\]: b is certainly in danger here
Goprince [5d\]: even if he doesnt kill w is fine
dutch2dan [1d\]: working on it... not voluntarily, I assume
ad4: :D
DrwsyClown: there's a lot of possible moves here, maybe it could make for a good tsumego
Draconian [1d\]: ko?
gogonuts [5d\]: what do you mean, small - its game over if b dies
harleyyy: b is totally on gote mode, w is settled for free :(
Madzilla [4d?\]: B B4 is kind of sente against the corner
DrwsyClown: if b dies w wins 100% sure
harleyyy: if not, 82%? 
ad4: 82 is enough
just9x9 [-\]: for a bot
ad4: since upper right is almost totally untouched
TerryBell: 50?
liptos [4k\]: b9 i think
Minjhou [7k?\]: if b lives will win?
mayeck [-\]: Madzilla, after b4 c1 w g2 comes to life
ad4: i wanna see white moves in the upper right
Madzilla [4d?\]: I think if B dies it's advantage W but not game over
tas6466 [5k?\]: yeah man
DrwsyClown: if b lives it depends how he lives
harleyyy: who counted?
just9x9 [-\]: counting? are you mad?
harleyyy: b dies , cash = ? b lives cash = ? 
harleyyy: xd
gogonuts [5d\]: im a little sceptical abourt b allowing g9 - that makes a ko really infeasable for b
maxime6 [2d\]: b dies is game over :P
backpack1 [2d\]: b´s invasion was just way too early, he should ve played a probe and then extend on the upper side
mayeck [-\]: not to mention that corner is very small now
DaedDragon [3k\]: kibitzers can't count!
harleyyy: i don't have se
harleyyy: can someone use se for me please
maxime6 [2d\]: b dies is game over xD
just9x9 [-\]: se=b+13.5
harleyyy: ty
MajorTom [3d\]: what does b need to achieve here if he wants to keep a chance
just9x9 [-\]: yw
harleyyy: he is saying q16 area is full cash?
yunoo: i wonder if b wonna tenuki... epic 35pts sacrifice^^
maxime6 [2d\]: w+20 if black die
just9x9 [-\]: ofc
harleyyy: hahaha
dutch2dan [1d\]: @majortom... sente life?
harleyyy: sente life is nuts
just9x9 [-\]: and b is alive onleft
gogonuts [5d\]: b would like to live and keep b13 :-)
TerryBell: b+13 if he lives
harleyyy: i hope today rains 
Herod [-\]: 300 people trying to follow the game - no trolling now
Draconian [1d\]: ...
maxime6 [2d\]: is this kgs ?
tas6466 [5k?\]: yes this is kgs
TerryBell: go Canada go!
gogonuts [5d\]: home of the trolls
maxime6 [2d\]: that should be trollGS
jungle [?\]: yet no one complaining
Draconian [1d\]: noone suggested a move.. very sad
maxime6 [2d\]: trolling is kind of fun somedays ^^
tas6466 [5k?\]: b9
tas6466 [5k?\]: there
Hobbes [1k\]: wait for 400 to start trolling
just9x9 [-\]: b7 b6 b9
MajorTom [3d\]: dutch2dan dont you think ko is enough?
Madzilla [4d?\]: B7 is kind of interesting
jungle [?\]: b10 is a good move
gogonuts [5d\]: even trolls dare not suggest the next move, its hellishly difficult
blitztrain [2d\]: tenuki
dutch2dan [1d\]: depends on how b can trick w with ko threats, I assume, MT
DrwsyClown: the situation outside : upper right isnt pure territory, w is really thick at the center, moves like j15 are profitable
blitztrain [2d\]: f17
DrwsyClown: b got a lot of cash at bottom
Madzilla [4d?\]: but B7 E9 looks like W wins
bigfry [-\]: c9 hai
yunoo: e12? b9? way too hard
Madzilla [4d?\]: sorry, B7 D9
tas6466 [5k?\]: and moves like g6 looks too good to be true for b
Hobbes [1k\]: q16 area is 0 point in a pro counting?
koogle [10k\]: b doesnt have much on bottom. about 20 points?
herissondu [4d\]: i want to see theirs faces
death101 [1k\]: 3
tas6466 [5k?\]: mybe in the corner koogle
Draconian [1d\]: :D
koogle [10k\]: i was thinking with corner, maybe 20
Meepy [-\]: b7 now?
txtiger [3k\]: c9?
tas6466 [5k?\]: the bottom maybe 30-35?
TitanPupil [1k\]: with corner more than 20
DrwsyClown: nah bottom is like 22-ish
jungle [?\]: e11
gogonuts [5d\]: c9 is the first move that comes to mind, because it keeps stuff together - but is it alive?
DrwsyClown: its a lot if you consider there's no aji to reduce it
Madzilla [4d?\]: I think it isn't
TitanPupil [1k\]: tsumego~
DrwsyClown: like upper left corner still isn't solid cash for w
tas6466 [5k?\]: what about b8?
MajorTom [3d\]: b bottom+corner  seems like 31 points
bigfry [-\]: e12 f11 area
bigfry [-\]: may give b some more space
]
;B[bm]C[DrwsyClown: do you cound s5 as points for b?
DaedDragon [3k\]: ha!
tas6466 [5k?\]: good job
Draconian [1d\]: no
TitanPupil [1k\]: cut
TitanPupil [1k\]: d11
DrwsyClown: count*
fatih [3d\]: bottom 30 imo
TitanPupil [1k\]: maybe
bigfry [-\]: b5 = connection
MajorTom [3d\]: s5 is the boarder
Draconian [1d\]: s5 is not a point
gogonuts [5d\]: that lets w rip off the 3 stones above
tas6466 [5k?\]: in gote?
DrwsyClown: e2 is double sente, s5 isnt taken, so I didnt consider those as points for black
Bauer [1k\]: b can sacrify 3 stones
Draconian [1d\]: s4 is not a point too
bigfry [-\]: b6 e12 c9
Goprince [5d\]: d11
gogonuts [5d\]: yupp
gogonuts [5d\]: directly
Madzilla [4d?\]: D11 or D9?
DrwsyClown: d11 looks like it works to me
gogonuts [5d\]: i dont believe in w b6
Goprince [5d\]: 11 imo
gogonuts [5d\]: d11 is safer and better imo
mayeck [-\]: what about d8 ?
Madzilla [4d?\]: D8 C9 is no good
Hobbes [1k\]: d11 sente
gogonuts [5d\]: d8 loses a lib
DaedDragon [3k\]: I'm feeling blind... if w does nothing, can b connect b7?
mayeck [-\]: greedy :)
Hobbes [1k\]: and w need sente
yunoo: tenuki maybe
fatih [3d\]: b5?
USGO1 [-\]: b has about 14:00 remaining, w has 37ish
TitanPupil [1k\]: thanks
DrwsyClown: well at worst b connects b7 but w cuts d8
gogonuts [5d\]: i think w should cashin - its also good for the corner above
tas6466 [5k?\]: 37 minutes or seconds?
TitanPupil [1k\]: minutes
Draconian [1d\]: years
TitanPupil [1k\]: lol
DrwsyClown: which means w still comes out ahead
trippin [3k\]: 37 blipos
trippin [3k\]: blips*
Draconian [1d\]: blips?
Madzilla [4d?\]: I think D9 is slightly better than D11
dutch2dan [1d\]: old name of bitcoins?
Madzilla [4d?\]: D11 leaves a lot of aji
koogle [10k\]: what do clocks say?
DrwsyClown: you sure d9 works?
trippin [3k\]: blips is an arbitrary made up measurement
DrwsyClown: I mean d9 b d8
tas6466 [5k?\]: so is all time
ProguesT: hello
Madzilla [4d?\]: the point is to discourage B from playing D12 some time in the future
tas6466 [5k?\]: d11... b11?
GOnetel [20k\]: How many time left
TitanPupil [1k\]: USGO1 [-\]: b has about 14:00 remaining, w has 37ish
TitanPupil [1k\]: stated a few minutes ago
Madzilla [4d?\]: W can probably also play tenuki
GOnetel [20k\]: Thx
TitanPupil [1k\]: np
DaedDragon [3k\]: who predicts tenuki for w now?
Madzilla [4d?\]: Q17 or R17 is tempting
DrwsyClown: w can play tenuki but I think he wants to secure clear advantage
]
;W[dk]C[fatih [3d\]: nice call
tas6466 [5k?\]: the question is...
tas6466 [5k?\]: is d8 better
DrwsyClown: I think he can d8
Draconian [1d\]: why?
DrwsyClown: he lives locally if d8 b6
DrwsyClown: hmm does he... actually maybe not
ad4: still?
ad4: lemme know when there are white stones appearing elsewhere
Madzilla [4d?\]: has to reaad out D11 also
DrwsyClown: lol just leave if you dont like the game
Madzilla [4d?\]: even though it looks like overplay
DrwsyClown: I think d8 doesnt work out for b afterall
ad4: it's not that i dont like, but it's way to slow-paced
tas6466 [5k?\]: again
DrwsyClown: its a pro qualification tournament
tas6466 [5k?\]: just review in 3 hours
ad4: means nothing
TitanPupil [1k\]: means a lot
TitanPupil [1k\]: in the past title games were 2 days long
koogle [10k\]: ad4 troll
DrwsyClown: get used to it, real pro games can be a lot slower
precal [2k\]: c9 only option it looks 
ad4: you say that coz you're american
yunoo: is this game 1 btw?
USGO1 [-\]: b 10:00 remains
gogonuts [5d\]: is it knockout winner is pro - or is the final 2 wins?
tas6466 [5k?\]: i still like d8 
ad4: and im no troll, koogle
]
;B[ej]C[koogle [10k\]: you're talking trash. close enough for me
]
;W[dl]C[Draconian [1d\]: c9 d8 b11 b12 d11 d12 e11 e12 f11 e13 e9 
DrwsyClown: first tournament was top 2, but I think its gonna be just one this time, else everyones gonna become pro
Draconian [1d\]: nvm
]
;B[ck]C[gogonuts [5d\]: good lord
gogonuts [5d\]: is this ok for w?
DrwsyClown: huh wow I missed that
tas6466 [5k?\]: this looks strange to me
Schnapps [2k\]: can w really kill that?
txtiger [3k\]: better for b
Hobbes [1k\]: nice
Thoravatar [3d\]: seems black lives
DaedDragon [3k\]: This is so much fun!  Lotsa unexpected moves!
gogonuts [5d\]: looks like w might only get b13 now
Schnapps [2k\]: This whole game is unexpected
K5 [2d?\]: a13?
backpack1 [2d\]: if b lives he´s ahead by at least 10
DrwsyClown: just c7
jungle [?\]: read more
hume [4k\]: dead imho
jungle [?\]: b11 b12 d11 ?
gogonuts [5d\]: w should have read the d9 warning :-)
fatih [3d\]: either a10 is tesuji or white lost :)
Hobbes [1k\]: i prefer w here
Draconian [1d\]: b11 b12 d11 d12 e11 e12 f11 e13 e9 
tas6466 [5k?\]: ... b6
Thoravatar [3d\]: d12 is wrong in your sequence
gogonuts [5d\]: w b9 looks dangerous for b though - but i cant read it
DrwsyClown: yeah b9 seems good too
Thoravatar [3d\]: wb9 bb8 no change
DaedDragon [3k\]: a10 *is* interesting
DrwsyClown: eyeshape changes
Thoravatar [3d\]: still white is one liberty short
gogonuts [5d\]: for nakade i mean
DrwsyClown: b9 b8 b11
DrwsyClown: and then block
Thoravatar [3d\]: ah ok
DrwsyClown: e12 is annoying tho
jungle [?\]: actually
jungle [?\]: nothing
Draconian [1d\]: xD
K5 [2d?\]: Was there an easy counter to a13?
MaLa [3d\]: gogonuts, it is not knockout..
MaLa [3d\]: it is double elimination with extended series rule...
K5 [2d?\]: Death in the hane and all that
gogonuts [5d\]: swiss?
MaLa [3d\]: what i said
gogonuts [5d\]: ah
MaLa [3d\]: and semifinals are BO3
Herod [-\]: double elimination
MaLa [3d\]: final is BO5
gogonuts [5d\]: lose 2, your out?
x0000 [-\]: a11 tempting
MaLa [3d\]: yes
Meepy [-\]: a10 looks good enough
GOnetel [20k\]: B12?
jungle [?\]: draconian we both read b11 b12 d11 wrong
just9x9 [-\]: and this is what? semifinal?
MaLa [3d\]: but as i said, there are bo3/bo5
gogonuts [5d\]: thats a cool system
jungle [?\]: b11 b12 d11 b9 
MaLa [3d\]: and extended series rule
gogonuts [5d\]: needs an exact number of players though
MaLa [3d\]: which is somehow common in the US (MLG uses it for esport as well)
MaLa [3d\]: but most ppl think it stinks
gogonuts [5d\]: what is that?
MaLa [3d\]: if two players face a second time
yunoo: http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-results-2013
MaLa [3d\]: their result fro the first match
MaLa [3d\]: carries over
MaLa [3d\]: so say you lose in upperbraket semifinals 2:1
Herod [-\]: That is a different way of saying double elimination
MaLa [3d\]: and then meet again in mail final
MaLa [3d\]: main final
MaLa [3d\]: the score is already 1:2 against you
MaLa [3d\]: in a BO5
segovia [7k\]: ooof, that does seem pretty american
Draconian [1d\]: a13 b12 a11 a12 d11 a14 d12 only seq for white
jungle [?\]: a11 
gogonuts [5d\]: doesnt make sense :-)
gogonuts [5d\]: others from the losers section dont get that penalty
MaLa [3d\]: that's the problem
Hobbes [1k\]: is this the final BO5 or a semi?
MaLa [3d\]: this should be a BO3
DrwsyClown: f12 is like not solid enough :S
just9x9 [-\]: f12 losing move :)
Herod [-\]: This is still the elimination phase.  Six players still in
MaLa [3d\]: final is actually a BO3, if the players have not met before
USGO1 [-\]: this move will be sealed
ad4: what
fatih [3d\]: lol 
Hobbes [1k\]: thx herod
MaLa [3d\]: and a Bo5 if they did
USGO1 [-\]: jianing is still thinking
DaedDragon [3k\]: One hour for lunch?
ad4: oh
USGO1 [-\]: we will return an hour after he seals his move.
USGO1 [-\]: This game will resume at 1:15
USGO1 [-\]: looks like we'll be getting started a bit early!
USGO1 [-\]: here we go
]
;W[hc]C[xDragon [?\]: freedom!
i1337 [2d\]: finally
toved2 [8k\]: what is th time?
Hobbes [1k\]: another higly unexpected one
DrwsyClown: h17, rly?
toved2 [8k\]: usogo1?
i1337 [2d\]: tenuki?
Hobbes [1k\]: at least by me
julbla [6k?\]: what time is it?
xDragon [?\]: where theyre playing its about 1:13pm
DrwsyClown: a11 works
julbla [6k?\]: to know when the game resume^^'
tas6466 [5k?\]: realized he needed points?
xDragon [?\]: they just resumed julbla
xedover [?\]: black has 8 min; white has 16
julbla [6k?\]: haha
IlanKeshet [2k?\]: has it ever been the case -- that a sealed move -- was actually like forced?
]
;B[bi]C[DrwsyClown: ....
]
;W[ag]C[coffeeshop: hello
DrwsyClown: w a11 worked to kill e10 part in sente, and b7 part in gote, while still having an attack on the c12 part
coffeeshop: is it ko?
DrwsyClown: (chase)
coffeeshop: is ko or not?
DrwsyClown: not
tas6466 [5k?\]: b alive with b9
coffeeshop: why i keep getting moderated on chat?
thejurist [1k\]: the ko is also big against w
xDragon [?\]: the moderated chat was for everyone
coffeeshop: but i am still getting that message
coffeeshop: lol
Argus [4k?\]: cause ur not moderate
xDragon [?\]: are you? well youre still talking freely so it doesnt matter i guess. maybe try closing and reopening the board
coffeeshop: but why keeps delay with (moderated) message
coffeeshop: ok
hiimkg [?\]: calvin sun will never ide
hobajons [-\]: e12
]
;B[bk]C[fatih [3d\]: o17?
DrwsyClown: what a waste :S
]
;W[lc]
;B[je]C[USGO1 [-\]: b 5:00 remains
]
;W[le]
;B[he]
;W[fc]C[hiimkg [?\]: see. he is lived
fatih [3d\]: g18?
DrwsyClown: yeah but w tenukied
ad4: will w win?
DrwsyClown: and not considering the tenuki, d11 instead of d9 was pretty much good
hiimkg [?\]: no i have my money on b
ad4: what do you think?
coffeeshop: ok i am back
coffeeshop: no more moderated message :)
DrwsyClown: w can still win but its harder
blitztrain [2d\]: will they play best of 3?
ad4: i just thought, it's easier now
thejurist [1k\]: can b take the corner or does he need to safe his k15 stones now
DrwsyClown: no
DrwsyClown: best of 3 is next step
]
;B[lf]C[blitztrain [2d\]: ok
DrwsyClown: b cant afford to take corner
DaedDragon [3k\]: yet
]
;W[mf]
;B[kf]C[DrwsyClown: this game will have a lot more fighting coming it seems
coffeeshop: only if w plays n13
]
;W[mg]C[coffeeshop: ok
DrwsyClown: of course w will fight hard from here, if he gave up left, it's because he's in for fighting the rest
tas6466 [5k?\]: n16?
fatih [3d\]: white still better
DaedDragon [3k\]: w wants to kill teh k15 stones
windows [1d\]: o16 ?
]
;B[nd]C[swinging [1k\]: or attack for profit in the center
DaedDragon [3k\]: good call!
]
;W[me]C[DrwsyClown: o16 is surprising
jungle [?\]: n15 is the right connection
viennava [3d\]: hard for b
DaedDragon [3k\]: Now defend the k15 group?
windows [1d\]: l12 
]
;B[kh]C[DaedDragon [3k\]: two in a row!
Le34 [-\]: now i like b
ad4: :D
hobajons [-\]: i told you b would live
tas6466 [5k?\]: i've liked b since o3
windows [1d\]: n11 
coffeeshop: hi hobajo
DaedDragon [3k\]: b will live here, but w will profit :(
]
;W[qd]C[windows [1d\]: wow
USGO1 [-\]: b 1:00 remains
ad4: this is neccesary
]
;B[qc]C[DrwsyClown: sigh... this game could've been much more simple for w
ad4: yes
]
;W[qe]C[coffeeshop: really?
ad4: still remember f12?
coffeeshop: how
reprisal [2d\]: but who wants that
coffeeshop: of course , f12 was the pro move
]
;B[pe]
;W[rc]C[coffeeshop: hhahhaa
tas6466 [5k?\]: i think f12 was the pro mistake
ad4: oh
ad4: sarcasm
ad4: ok
windows [1d\]: s18 
coffeeshop: yes
coffeeshop: XD
]
;B[rb]
;W[rd]C[DrwsyClown: even at the left stage, before tenuki, w can a11 and cut d11, gives enough room to kill e10 part, and chase c11 part, profit while chasing and sente, then take upper right
windows [1d\]: r18 
ad4: i honestly would like to hear w's comment on f12:D
luzak [10k\]: q18
USGO1 [-\]: b has entered byo yomi
]
;B[pb]C[fatih [3d\]: what is the byoyomi setting?
luzak [10k\]: s13
gogonuts [5d\]: and w entered bs corner
DaedDragon [3k\]: 5 40
gogonuts [5d\]: a little early, i might add
]
;W[qf]C[iwin [2k\]: calvin the legend
hiimkg [?\]: yes
reprisal [2d\]: i expected w to play around m11 before jumping corner
hiimkg [?\]: much legend
coffeeshop: calvin favorite new pro?
hiimkg [?\]: yes
fatih [3d\]: n13 r14 r10 both weak now
ad4: yes drwsy
hiimkg [?\]: he must become pro
windows [1d\]: q14 
]
;B[pf]
;W[rg]C[coffeeshop: whos drwsy?
backpack1 [2d\]: how old is calvin ?
DrwsyClown: hi
ad4: him
coffeeshop: oh
hiimkg [?\]: i think hes 17
ad4: or her
windows [1d\]: n11 
DrwsyClown: him
coffeeshop: o
coffeeshop: ok
CreamPie [1k\]: r12?
BigDoug [-\]: coffeeshop, please stop pressing the enter key so often
tas6466 [5k?\]: p12
DaedDragon [3k\]: o12?
ad4: w just made his own positions small
]
;B[rh]
;W[qh]C[ad4: wrong choices i guess
]
;B[pg]C[ad4: we go to school for long
]
;W[ri]C[CreamPie [1k\]: more agresive
CreamPie [1k\]: n12?
windows [1d\]: o12 
just9x9 [-\]: q12
just9x9 [-\]: if any
hobajons [-\]: n11 = w die
]
;B[gb]C[Schnapps [2k\]: tenuki! (again)
DrwsyClown: I'm thinking w will ignore q12 to settle fight on b's group, and come back later
fatih [3d\]: g18 should be before m14 
DrwsyClown: so b plays tenuki seems best
gogonuts [5d\]: b would like to surround without q12, because its not absolute sente
RobertT [-\]: or he could be trying to fix the connect under....
DrwsyClown: w might actually have to give up s13
]
;W[gc]C[fatih [3d\]: q12 is sente imo
]
;B[ic]
;W[mi]C[DrwsyClown: w should fix q12
just9x9 [-\]: oh, preparing attack on m17 it seems
]
;B[hb]C[DrwsyClown: or that
fatih [3d\]: q12 tenuki t12 
]
;W[fb]C[DrwsyClown: well yeah
tas6466 [5k?\]: b is like this is points though
biggyofmt [8k?\]: black needs more points than that though
DrwsyClown: that's why I said w might have to give up s13, but I was thinking that w would attack b instead
ad4: isn't black ahead?
]
;B[ph]
;W[sh]C[DrwsyClown: now b is settled
DrwsyClown: well almost
CreamPie [1k\]: yea
tas6466 [5k?\]: black is ahead
CreamPie [1k\]: now he can attack middle
sedgwick [?\]: I don't see black ahead
thejurist [1k\]: is the ul corner still playable for b?
EMeeren [9k\]: when i left the game two hours ago it looked like w was doing so well on the left...
DrwsyClown: nah, no real attack anymore
Draconian [1d\]: black ahead=pro?
]
;B[mb]C[fatih [3d\]: white clearly leading now
reprisal [2d\]: n18 so defensive
DaedDragon [3k\]: L10 looks pretty big
ad4: white leading...how?
JesusTeAma [3k\]: this year will got only 1 pro 
CreamPie [1k\]: yea
Hobbes [1k\]: l10?
ad4: his positions will be exploited so bad
JesusTeAma [3k\]: *will get
fatih [3d\]: by having more points than black
DrwsyClown: right side gain and m17 reduction is big enough to counter left side lost, also consider the upper left corner
DrwsyClown: its huge
tas6466 [5k?\]: i see white has maybe 35/40 points tops
Draconian [1d\]: this year didn't make pro lol
]
;W[mc]C[just9x9 [-\]: just count
ad4: lol
ad4: haha
]
;B[nb]C[DrwsyClown: I think w should play something like n8 and close the game
]
;W[lj]C[ad4: so w doesn't need to make points in the centre and still win?
DrwsyClown: m10 is probably better
]
;B[jj]C[Uniqo [9k\]: can b invade c16 c17?
xDragon [?\]: it looks too late to invade the corner
swinging [1k\]: no way
gogonuts [5d\]: w does look better now - looks like J17 was too cautious
fatih [3d\]: he can but probably he dies
DrwsyClown: time pressure can make magic happen at this stage, no clear winner yet imo
ad4: "magic"
]
;W[hg]C[DrwsyClown: wait wut
ad4: what?
just9x9 [-\]: just reduce while eyeing the shape
ad4: eyeing oO
]
;B[kj]C[DrwsyClown: k8?
biggyofmt [8k?\]: M18 seems like a big piont for endgame
DrwsyClown: I think there are no points left there
Draconian [1d\]: or iing
DrwsyClown: :/
Uniqo [9k\]: oculating the shape
]
;W[lh]C[flurpel [2d\]: back before f9 invasion shouldn't b just q17
DrwsyClown: l18 quite big for w
]
;B[ig]C[flurpel [2d\]: seem like w is ahead quite a bit now
atomix [1d\]: how do american pros compete, are there pro tournaments?
EMeeren [9k\]: m18 is like three points? l18 is larger by far
]
;W[hf]
;B[if]C[xDragon [?\]: atomix, american pros would be invited to play international tournaments in asia
]
;W[ge]C[atomix [1d\]: where they likely lose...
]
;B[bp]C[just9x9 [-\]: and once in a while they are allowed to win a game
Hobbes [1k\]: did it happen to last year pros?
ad4: :D
DrwsyClown: w ahead
flurpel [2d\]: i said that alrdy :[
xDragon [?\]: probably atomix but they get better from the experience
DrwsyClown: :P
ad4: :D
]
;W[er]C[DrwsyClown: I think w ahead by about komi?
TuLy [5k\]: b4 so importatnt?
]
;B[fr]C[DrwsyClown: b4 quite big yose
kingl3r [7k\]: so how are american pro dan levels ranked by the way?
just9x9 [-\]: sente against corner
DrwsyClown: I think l18 bigger tho
]
;W[ap]C[xDragon [?\]: dont know, the pro system is too new
xDragon [?\]: theyre all just 1p right now
TuLy [5k\]: ty
kingl3r [7k\]: oh ok 
atomix [1d\]: does aga pay them a salary?
Draconian [1d\]: c111!!one
]
;B[jm]C[swinging [1k\]: probably not
flurpel [2d\]: doubt
climbtrees [6k\]: no
tas6466 [5k?\]: bam
flurpel [2d\]: but didn't korea help them out too?
flurpel [2d\]: i thought gansheng went to korea to train for a while
JesusTeAma [3k\]: what the point of became aga pro ?
biggyofmt [8k?\]: glad black isn't shy about reducing the center
flurpel [2d\]: swag
xDragon [?\]: yeah gansheng was in korea and played in some tournaments there
atomix [1d\]: sounds like a strange way to be a pro
swinging [1k\]: you have to start a pro system somewhere
DrwsyClown: I don't think aga will handle the rank promotions on its own
yunoo: its important to begin
liptos [4k\]: soon they will all play for the new usa titles like "go masta" and "grand meister"
monk316 [2d?\]: the 2 current pros just play each other?
swinging [1k\]: eventually with more pros it will be easier
xDragon [?\]: yes its a start. gotta give it time for it to grow
]
;W[lm]C[DrwsyClown: I think it will be in collab with koreans
coffeeshop: well, aga can promote 9ps for themselves, like making breakfast 9p for fun
monk316 [2d?\]: how does it work?
coffeeshop: lol
Gor [2d\]: and then new european pros will dominate aga pros :)
xDragon [?\]: theyll play international tournaments in asia
DrwsyClown: not much sense of achievement then
]
;B[hm]C[CaiSeR [1d\]: i like how aga pros are all asian :P 
xDragon [?\]: since they have pro rank theyll get invited to them
coffeeshop: do you think usa go can win asian?
aristokrat [2d\]: wait. european pros??
sedgwick [?\]: Not yet any promotion beyond 1p available to the american pros
monk316 [2d?\]: cool
biggyofmt [8k?\]: california is just like little asia
CreamPie [1k\]: there are already pros in US
BigDoug [-\]: please keep the comments only about this game
Draconian [1d\]: ...
coffeeshop: b seems winning huge
CaiSeR [1d\]: .....
RobertT [-\]: the two big benifits for aga pro is you are allowed to compete in korean pro only tournaments and you get a discount on studying in korea
DrwsyClown: b needs s6 and l18 to win I think
Draconian [1d\]: good game
xDragon [?\]: ah i didnt know the latter robert, but yeah the game
]
;W[gm]
;B[in]
;W[hl]C[biggyofmt [8k?\]: According to the score estimate white is dead everywhere
]
;B[im]C[EMeeren [9k\]: kgs score estimate is very silly
flurpel [2d\]: w leading like 10 points?
coffeeshop: thats a bad use of se
flurpel [2d\]: idk
yunoo: im pretty sure its a game of go btw
DonValley [5d\]: such game
DrwsyClown: k5?
tas6466 [5k?\]: b leading like what 15 points?
flurpel [2d\]: wat
DrwsyClown: no w leading
flurpel [2d\]: no not even close to that
]
;W[go]C[DrwsyClown: but really close
flurpel [2d\]: really i thought w was leading couple pointson board?
]
;B[ho]
;W[gn]
;B[hp]C[jungle [?\]: do they play on kgs?
coffeeshop: for sure
swinging [1k\]: calvin is kbag
DonValley [5d\]: black is horowitz
flurpel [2d\]: lul
coffeeshop: black is horowitz??
DrwsyClown: with this w probably only leads by a point or two ;) 
]
;W[nk]C[flurpel [2d\]: ;)
flurpel [2d\]: on the board or with komi?
xDragon [?\]: b is kbag yes, hes a student of mingjiu
DrwsyClown: with komi
coffeeshop: they are playing real life right?
flurpel [2d\]: real?
flurpel [2d\]: ok i gotta count then
]
;B[lk]C[DrwsyClown: I'll count again to make sure
xDragon [?\]: 7.5 komi
xDragon [?\]: aga rules
HighStoner [4k\]: they are playing in Los Angeles
just9x9 [-\]: they are playing aga rules, dont rely on se here too much
]
;W[mk]C[TuLy [5k\]: q7
EMeeren [9k\]: what's special about aga ruls?
herissondu [4d\]: har for b
Hobbes [1k\]: everything
]
;B[ll]C[tas6466 [5k?\]: 7.5 komi
Draconian [1d\]: good question emeeren
ponno [7k?\]: stones are points
swinging [1k\]: http://www.britgo.org/rules/compare.html
]
;W[ml]C[EMeeren [9k\]: thanks
HighStoner [4k\]: EMeeren: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=aga+rules
flurpel [2d\]: i thought b had like 52 and w around 55 on board
HighStoner [4k\]: :p
just9x9 [-\]: aga is like chinese, so SE gets the prisoners wrong
flurpel [2d\]: but l5 seems large so idk
RobertT [-\]: SE can't score area counting and KGS has AGA score area conting
coffeeshop: i hate aga rules, makes me pass on blitz and lose by 0.5 pt
herissondu [4d\]: cut?
]
;B[pm]C[herissondu [4d\]: ah protect, hmmm
yunoo: w ~54, b ~50
DrwsyClown: hmm j4 not dead anymore 
just9x9 [-\]: k8?
DrwsyClown: well w needs to add a move but
flurpel [2d\]: did u count komi yunoo?
Hobbes [1k\]: l7?
]
;W[km]C[just9x9 [-\]: or wut cut?
coffeeshop: s5?
]
;B[jl]C[herissondu [4d\]: I've got 54 for w and 40 for b
flurpel [2d\]: 40?
herissondu [4d\]: 40
flurpel [2d\]: ._.
just9x9 [-\]: 40!
DrwsyClown: hum no
flurpel [2d\]: bottom alone is like 30
herissondu [4d\]: but i'm often pessimistic
coffeeshop: i get 25 on bottom
herissondu [4d\]: what
Draconian [1d\]: only 40?
herissondu [4d\]: about 24 at the bottom
USGO1 [-\]: w is in byo-yomi
flurpel [2d\]: 24?
herissondu [4d\]: j4 isn't caught yet
herissondu [4d\]: 24
flurpel [2d\]: yea it's not 30 thought it's more 27-28
]
;W[oi]C[HighStoner [4k\]: s6
]
;B[ro]C[herissondu [4d\]: w can s5 and then t4
RobertT [-\]: w+ 4
HighStoner [4k\]: black s8
HighStoner [4k\]: nvm
herissondu [4d\]: well, now it's bigger for sure :-)
]
;W[rm]C[coffeeshop: m18 now
tas6466 [5k?\]: n6
TuLy [5k\]: m18 pretty big
herissondu [4d\]: 27
]
;B[lp]C[just9x9 [-\]: b cathces up in yose is my feel
sume [6d\]: if jianing is up he holds onto his leads tightly
herissondu [4d\]: 45 for b
DrwsyClown: b might actually win now
Draconian [1d\]: i have 46
flurpel [2d\]: i can't believe b only has 45 honestly
herissondu [4d\]: ah
coffeeshop: i think m4 was a mistake
coffeeshop: o4
herissondu [4d\]: draconian is so potimistic
sume [6d\]: whos up
herissondu [4d\]: opt*
herissondu [4d\]: hmmm
hobajons [-\]: w is up
Draconian [1d\]: are you real sume?
hobajons [-\]: by a little
Draconian [1d\]: lol
xDragon [?\]: is this the best of 3 or not?
DrwsyClown: m4 doesnt look like a mistake to me
DrwsyClown: no
sume [6d\]: I feel like B is up
]
;W[np]C[DrwsyClown: its not bo3
sume [6d\]: but i didnt count
EMeeren [9k\]: m4 takes either n4 group or j4 group as i see it?
DrwsyClown: its really close
herissondu [4d\]: if he captures j4, he is ahead
herissondu [4d\]: w about 57
sedgwick [?\]: l4 doesnt work now, this prepare for l5?
tas6466 [5k?\]: n5?
coffeeshop: n6
coffeeshop: w died
sedgwick [?\]: before this b would have been able to cut at n7
flurpel [2d\]: n6 looks trickey
thejurist [1k\]: n6 seems cool
kurii [3d\]: n6 o6 
sedgwick [?\]: n6 answered with o6, no problem
coffeeshop: p4 so
hobajons [-\]: n5
just9x9 [-\]: n5 protects in sente then k5?
]
;B[ko]C[coffeeshop: n5 bad
Thoravatar [3d\]: very close game
tas6466 [5k?\]: .5 ?
just9x9 [-\]: .4
coffeeshop: i think w lose now, b gets j4 and m18
DrwsyClown: this was big for b just now
herissondu [4d\]: eh really
tas6466 [5k?\]: 8 points or 9
just9x9 [-\]: p3 is big too isnt it?
herissondu [4d\]: 10
sume [6d\]: crucial moment here
sedgwick [?\]: w ould not play l5 last move, or b would have cut n7
herissondu [4d\]: or 11
Thoravatar [3d\]: how does black get both?
coffeeshop: cus now n6 kills
]
;W[op]C[biggyofmt [8k?\]: white gets to push into the lower right though
Draconian [1d\]: ooo
iwin [2k\]: bag too strong
iwin [2k\]: uhoh
DrwsyClown: w agrees that he loses if he doesnt do something here
sume [6d\]: ALL IN
sume [6d\]: ALL IN BRO
sume [6d\]: LETS GO
TitanPupil [1k\]: :D
herissondu [4d\]: calm down
]
;B[oq]C[DonValley [5d\]: calm down
Margabgor [13k?\]: bag?
TitanPupil [1k\]: calm down
coffeeshop: calm down
kyuforlyfe [5d\]: u calm down
Thoravatar [3d\]: first force before defend
DrwsyClown: wow
]
;W[pp]C[sume [6d\]: wait why didnt W atari
herissondu [4d\]: O.O
iwin [2k\]: kbag is calvin
DonValley [5d\]: atari then n5
liptos [4k\]: b is ok then
sedgwick [?\]: atrai then b n6
Margabgor [13k?\]: ah
active0 [1k\]: if atari he seems short
coffeeshop: ko
DonValley [5d\]: n6*
DonValley [5d\]: lololol
]
;B[pq]
;W[mn]C[herissondu [4d\]: ooooooh
active0 [1k\]: oh wow why am i 1k
coffeeshop: m18
Thoravatar [3d\]: ow wow, this could indeed be the end for black
]
;B[po]C[Madzilla [4d?\]: peaceful outcome
]
;W[gq]C[coffeeshop: close now
TuLy [5k\]: b too benevolent
]
;B[gr]C[herissondu [4d\]: b lost 3 points lol
]
;W[kn]C[yunoo: 5
coffeeshop: 10
herissondu [4d\]: 3.5
DrwsyClown: yeah, w came out better, was good
Thoravatar [3d\]: b lost sente
herissondu [4d\]: q5 wasn't a point yet
Hollumber [1d\]: b didn't have sente in the first place
theworld [3d?\]: t trop fort au yose sonic =o
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;B[jo]C[herissondu [4d\]: t'as vu t'as vu
herissondu [4d\]: 3d? lol
]
;W[hd]C[coffeeshop: h16 was very bad
herissondu [4d\]: viens pas kibitzer avec un ? les gens vont te jeter ddes pierres :-)
theworld [3d?\]: ça va j'ai pas joué sur ce compte
Hollumber [1d\]: nvm, u right thor
coffeeshop: b tenuki now
DrwsyClown: l18 and gg, w probably wins by 4~ish... was fun
TuLy [5k\]: b5 or m18 was better
]
;B[lb]C[tas6466 [5k?\]: h12
Hollumber [1d\]: nvm, u not right
coffeeshop: what was h16? someone explan me pls
]
;W[ga]
;B[ib]C[kyuforlyfe [5d\]: h16 really big
flurpel [2d\]: yea
isbhal [3d\]: alors
kyuforlyfe [5d\]: bigger than m18
isbhal [3d\]: ça donne quoi le niveau pro aga ?
]
;W[co]C[coffeeshop: i prefered m18
Draconian [1d\]: nazdrovya
]
;B[ep]
;W[bo]C[kyuforlyfe [5d\]: h16 is reverse sente
just9x9 [-\]: wow, thats points as well
kyuforlyfe [5d\]: or just real big
Madzilla [4d?\]: this isn't a question of preference, it's just counting it out
herissondu [4d\]: clairement surfait
coffeeshop: but i counted
coffeeshop: b wins now hehe
kyuforlyfe [5d\]: well u counted wrong then
kyuforlyfe [5d\]: oh
kyuforlyfe [5d\]: i thought
kyuforlyfe [5d\]: nvr mind
coffeeshop: we will see
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;B[nm]C[kyuforlyfe [5d\]: w+1.5
BigDoug [-\]: kyuforlife, please stop pressing the enter key so often
biggyofmt [8k?\]: there's plenty of end game left
]
;W[nn]C[coffeeshop: its aga rules
]
;B[hh]C[DaedDragon [3k\]: seems close
isbhal [3d\]: ah he reharde depuis le début
Hollumber [1d\]: coffee, m18 only destroys about 4.5 points, i'd say
isbhal [3d\]: c'est laid
JesusTeAma [3k\]: wht b don't played o6 instead of o7 ?
]
;W[gh]C[JesusTeAma [3k\]: *didn't
]
;B[hi]C[Hollumber [1d\]: and h16 makes 2 points, destroys 1 point, saves the stone, all in sente
Hollumber [1d\]: (for b)
]
;W[sb]
;B[bh]C[JesusTeAma [3k\]: o7 was mistake right ?
Linsanity1 [2d?\]: b not enough for komi
]
;W[dh]C[thejurist [1k\]: if b is behind why not start the ko?
]
;B[ah]
;W[af]C[coffeeshop: where si the ko?
Linsanity1 [2d?\]: the ko is heavy for b
DrwsyClown: wait what ko?
tas6466 [5k?\]: b doesn't think he is behind
coffeeshop: at j16?
coffeeshop: or L11?
]
;B[ql]
;W[rl]C[pwaldron [-\]: black has to be able to gain something from the ko
Hollumber [1d\]: jesus, o7 doesn't change anything. not a mistake
TuLy [5k\]: t6
JesusTeAma [3k\]: o7 was sente righ ?
coffeeshop: yes, o7 doesnt gives sente to the other or so... just normal move
]
;B[ie]C[JesusTeAma [3k\]: so, o6 n5 o7 and a free point 
DrwsyClown: e9
]
;W[ra]
;B[qb]C[just9x9 [-\]: o6 n5 o7 n7 was better he says
herissondu [4d\]: w+6
herissondu [4d\]: or am i completely wrong
coffeeshop: totally wrong
DrwsyClown: I think its about right
]
;W[ik]C[Draconian [1d\]: I have w+7
JesusTeAma [3k\]: yes just9x9
coffeeshop: b+1
JesusTeAma [3k\]: thats my point 
Hollumber [1d\]: jesus, technically speaking, no, since o5 is still there
isbhal [3d\]: calvin sun = 6d kgs
isbhal [3d\]: i think
just9x9 [-\]: but p6 is point
xDragon [?\]: no hes been 9d before
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;B[jk]C[JesusTeAma [3k\]: o5 dont give b 1 point 
swinging [1k\]: current aga ratings here
swinging [1k\]: http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-results-2013#results
Hollumber [1d\]: ah, i see what ur saying
]
;W[oh]C[coffeeshop: is that semi finals?
Hollumber [1d\]: yeah, that looks better
]
;B[no]
;W[mo]C[Tabemasu [2d?\]: w won
DrwsyClown: w actually got some points at n12 area :P
]
;B[es]C[herissondu [4d\]: f8?
]
;W[cs]C[herissondu [4d\]: h19 ofc
Hollumber [1d\]: t6
Hobbes [1k\]: well done
USGO1 [-\]: black has resigned
herissondu [4d\]: thx
iwin [2k\]: :(
flurpel [2d\]: gg
USGO1 [-\]: white has won
just9x9 [-\]: tx USGO1 for relay
herissondu [4d\]: omg
JesusTeAma [3k\]: they are playing best of 3 ?
Schnapps [2k\]: Thx USGO :)
BigDoug [-\]: well done USGO1
Hobbes [1k\]: so...
USGO1 [-\]: Thank you all and join us at 4:00 pacific for the next round in the set!
jungle [?\]: how old is W?
herissondu [4d\]: after the left side stuff, the game was definetly good for w
RobertT [-\]: I think this one isn't a bo3
USGO1 [-\]: plus, the winner of USGO2 will play Bill Lin in the first game of their Bo3
USGO1 [-\]: RobertT, it is.
DonValley [5d\]: gg
RobertT [-\]: so gan and calvin are playing again?
DrwsyClown: w ahead by about 10 at this point
humppa [3d?\]: in hour many hours is next round?
Linsanity1 [2d?\]: 2
humppa [3d?\]: thx
Hobbes [1k\]: why bill lin is already in bo3 stage?
xDragon [?\]: he beat ryan li
coffeeshop: thx usgo
Hobbes [1k\]: so...2 win-->semifinal?
Thoravatar [3d\]: hmm i don't see that
Hobbes [1k\]: I can't get how this tournament works
Thoravatar [3d\]: ah nm 
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