(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[5400]OT[5x40 byo-yomi]
GN[2nd AGA Pro Qualifier Rnd 3 Bill Lin (W) vs. Ryan Li (B)]PW[Bill Lin]PB[Ryan Li]WR[7d]BR[7d]DT[2014-01-04]RO[3A]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Richard Dolen]RE[W+Resign]
;B[pd]
;W[dp]
;B[pq]
;W[dd]
;B[fq]
;W[cn]
;B[dr]C[USGO3 [-\]: Good morning, this is your scribe, Richard Dolen.
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;W[po]C[USGO3 [-\]: In this tournament, we scribes are not allowed either to read or respond to your  comments.  
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;B[qm]
;W[qq]
;B[qr]
;W[qp]
;B[mq]
;W[pm]
;B[pl]
;W[or]
;B[pr]
;W[oq]
;B[os]
;W[op]
;B[nr]
;W[om]
;B[qn]
;W[mo]
;B[kp]
;W[pj]
;B[ol]C[zogar [6k\]: .
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;W[nl]
;B[ok]C[Merlot [1k\]: r9
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;W[ml]
;B[oj]
;W[pi]C[Roosta [1k\]: so what are the benefits of being an aga pro?
yanyan [?\]: you'll be one of 4 people ever
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;B[oi]C[Merlot [1k\]: 4?
Roosta [1k\]: two now, two more from this qualifier
Merlot [1k\]: one from this qualifier
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;W[qf]C[yorugua [6k\]: did Bill change his last name? :)
yanyan [?\]: the scribes aren't reading this, so it won't be changed
laduradura [8d\]: bill linn parents just trolled with this name?:)
yorugua [6k\]: maybe Lin was to close to Li, so he added another n to avoid any confusion
yorugua [6k\]: btw Li vs. Lin and Lu vs. Lui, gotta love that
Beef [3d\]: :)
mushasshin: are they 7d too ?
zyoda [8d\]: those sound completely different. you should be able to tell
]
;B[nc]C[Warfreak2 [5d\]: super bill
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;W[rd]C[Roosta [1k\]: we are simply amused by the similar romanization in both pairings
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;B[fc]C[mushasshin: does someone know how many pro players are intended to be in the league at term ?
yorugua [6k\]: 7.2
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;W[df]
;B[qe]
;W[re]
;B[qg]
;W[pf]
;B[ph]
;W[pc]
;B[qc]C[dogbert [4d\]: r18?
Goprince [5d\]: q18 r16 r18 p16 s17 
Goprince [5d\]: w has the ladder
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;W[pb]C[dogbert [4d\]: not too sure whether q18 is better than r18 though, as b could recover some territory with q19
Tycon [14k\]: p15?
Goprince [5d\]: q18much mch betetrthan r18
Goprince [5d\]: so over concetrated if not and b is alive now b has no base
Loxios [1d\]: b cant r16 
]
;B[od]C[Loxios [1d\]: r16 r18 right ?
]
;W[qd]
;B[db]C[Goprince [5d\]: r16 p16 actually
Goprince [5d\]: um maybe not maybe just safe r18
Goprince [5d\]: very nice for w here
Goprince [5d\]: still has r12 whih is a huge pain
dogbert [4d\]: i was saying q18r18r16p17 variation
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;W[ck]C[dogbert [4d\]: b still got a base that way
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;B[fo]
;W[hc]
;B[cc]
;W[kc]C[croc [4d\]: w wants b to pay something for what he gets on right and bottom
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;B[rg]
;W[nf]C[killmeplz [2k\]: i dont understand s13
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;B[lc]
;W[kd]C[dogbert [4d\]: p16 was a bit too heavy, let's see whether bill aim for the kill or building a center
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;B[ld]
;W[ke]
;B[le]
;W[lf]
;B[qb]
;W[rb]
;B[ob]
;W[qa]
;B[kb]
;W[jb]
;B[mb]
;W[cd]
;B[gc]
;W[ka]
;B[lb]
;W[hd]
;B[kn]
;W[jl]
;B[lj]
;W[lm]
;B[bd]
;W[be]
;B[bc]C[sedgwick [?\]: tricky for white to seal the center on a large enough scale
croc [4d\]: exact
sedgwick [?\]: b more cash therwise
croc [4d\]: so maybe prob in bottom first
sedgwick [?\]: yes, maybe, but with c3 open probe doesn't have so much impact
dogbert [4d\]: croc might be considering something around k5
croc [4d\]: yes :)
]
;W[eg]C[croc [4d\]: w thinks this is good enough?
dogbert [4d\]: bill lin is not as aggressive as bill gan
dogbert [4d\]: more "balanced" lol
croc [4d\]: both of them are, imho
Roosta [1k\]: do these games have breaks?
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;B[ek]C[Herod [-\]: They can break for lunch around hour 3
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;W[en]C[Herod [-\]: If the players wish
nujabes [3k\]: w losing too hard
dogbert [4d\]: the true fight is just starting
nujabes [3k\]: i don't know man
nujabes [3k\]: if he saves e9 
nujabes [3k\]: don't know how w can get ahead
dogbert [4d\]: it is tricky to save, if w build up influence, bottom could be severely reduced
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;B[dm]C[nujabes [3k\]: as u said the true fighting is just starting
nujabes [3k\]: and the following moves are defenitely game changing for both
oldranger [?\]: too bad we can't see the clocks
dogbert [4d\]: b want find a home local instead of running out
nujabes [3k\]: ye seems like he wants to settle first
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;W[fn]
;B[go]
;W[cm]
;B[dl]
;W[eo]
;B[hk]
;W[jo]C[dogbert [4d\]: here it comes
Lsugyen [6d\]: b is taking a lot of territory
Lsugyen [6d\]: now w's turn to invade
Lsugyen [6d\]: I'd play L5 anddefend the center stones
]
;B[ko]
;W[im]C[oldranger [?\]: W heard you
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;B[km]
;W[kl]
;B[hn]
;W[in]
;B[ip]C[croc [4d\]: seems easier to escape than to kill
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;W[gl]
;B[gk]C[Feanor [1d\]: I would want to play tengen
nujabes [3k\]: nah
nujabes [3k\]: i would protect somehow left side
nujabes [3k\]: also b can connect with g7 
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;W[jj]C[Feanor [1d\]: ha
dogbert [4d\]: :)
Feanor [1d\]: bill wanted to play tengen as well
nujabes [3k\]: well that shows a lot of fighting spirit
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;B[cj]C[nujabes [3k\]: but left side is destroyed
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;W[bk]C[nujabes [3k\]: there  is always a drawback
nujabes [3k\]: but i feel like w lost in that exchange
nujabes [3k\]: w has to kill this group
nujabes [3k\]: or gain something big out of it
]
;B[fl]
;W[gm]C[Feanor [1d\]: don't limit your ambition, go for the kill
dogbert [4d\]: e11/
Goprince [5d\]: e11 too greedy
nujabes [3k\]: f11 
Goprince [5d\]: f12
nujabes [3k\]: doesn't seem like there is one good answer
]
;B[fi]C[nujabes [3k\]: b chose f11
Goprince [5d\]: so pro nujabes
dogbert [4d\]: lol
nujabes [3k\]: nah
Goprince [5d\]: e11
croc [4d\]: F10?
nujabes [3k\]: lol
croc [4d\]: why?
Argus [4k?\]: d11
nujabes [3k\]: i don't know about that , b has many options
croc [4d\]: F-10 is serious proposal :)
nujabes [3k\]: i know
nujabes [3k\]: but seems too early
nujabes [3k\]: imo
nujabes [3k\]: e11 seems fine 
Feanor [1d\]: I would only be worried that I'm touching a stone under attack
nujabes [3k\]: e11 kinda wants to take the leftside
nujabes [3k\]: and b cant make directly alive with this move
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;W[hi]C[nujabes [3k\]: g12  also to press b down and make some territory
Goprince [5d\]: hard to kill
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;B[eh]C[nujabes [3k\]: f13 
croc [4d\]: see now F-10 impossible :(
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;W[dh]
;B[fg]C[nujabes [3k\]: b has the upperhand
dogbert [4d\]: g12?
nujabes [3k\]: w is thinking about the next game plan
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;W[ei]
;B[fh]
;W[ej]
;B[fj]
;W[dk]C[nujabes [3k\]: this is good
nujabes [3k\]: for w
dogbert [4d\]: he sure prefer to keep the left also not damaging the top
dogbert [4d\]: top center
nujabes [3k\]: + b is kinda force to connect 
nujabes [3k\]: forced*
]
;B[ef]
;W[dg]C[nujabes [3k\]: c3 this is starting to become very big
]
;B[fe]C[dogbert [4d\]: h12n tempting
Lsugyen [6d\]: who's winning?
nujabes [3k\]: c3 
Lsugyen [6d\]: yup
croc [4d\]: home sweet home!
nujabes [3k\]: g14  irst tho
Lsugyen [6d\]: b is leading by around 10 points
Lsugyen [6d\]: quicte a large margin
croc [4d\]: are you sure?
nujabes [3k\]: without komi tho
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;W[gf]
;B[ff]C[Loxios [1d\]: i have 56 for b
nujabes [3k\]: c3  :D
nujabes [3k\]: Noooow
Loxios [1d\]: and 42 + komi for w
Lsugyen [6d\]: very accurate
croc [4d\]: if w gets C-3, it's close to me; <5 pts difference
Lsugyen [6d\]: around 5 points, which is a decided game
]
;W[er]
;B[eq]
;W[cr]C[Loxios [1d\]: i did count c3 area for both
]
;B[dq]
;W[cq]C[Loxios [1d\]: didn't*
Lsugyen [6d\]: very nice moves for w!
Lsugyen [6d\]: S2 is the biggest point now or C1
Lsugyen [6d\]: I would play c1
Lsugyen [6d\]: A15 first then C1
Lsugyen [6d\]: c1 is reverse sente
]
;B[ae]
;W[bf]C[croc [4d\]: it's to be decided by yose, imho
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;B[rr]C[Lsugyen [6d\]: will b answer to D1?
]
;W[ds]C[nujabes [3k\]: w is in the lead now
Lsugyen [6d\]: no.
Loxios [1d\]: no 
nujabes [3k\]: did u all counted the komi?
Loxios [1d\]: add 8 points for w
Loxios [1d\]: yes
Lsugyen [6d\]: yes
dfhfhfb [1k\]: r5 b?
nujabes [3k\]: and the possible top territory?
Loxios [1d\]: around 5 points for me
Lsugyen [6d\]: still 10 points ahead on the board
Lsugyen [6d\]: but w has some potential in the centre
Loxios [1d\]: j13 area not decieded
Lsugyen [6d\]: so b must not answer to D1 and gamble with R5 or J18
nujabes [3k\]: guess running with  q5 wasn't that great for w
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;B[fr]
;W[rq]C[Lsugyen [6d\]: now w is catching up
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;B[af]
;W[ag]
;B[ad]
;W[bg]
;B[sr]C[Loxios [1d\]: 60 for b, and 51 for w +komi
Loxios [1d\]: bah it's too close
nujabes [3k\]: h13 
Lsugyen [6d\]: this move?
]
;W[ro]C[Lsugyen [6d\]: I am surprised
croc [4d\]: w + 2 pts or so
Lsugyen [6d\]: now I prefer w
Loxios [1d\]: game like this remember me soccer games, you prefer know only the result
croc [4d\]: it's a bit ironic that b's deep invasion did not reduce much of w's territory
]
;B[rn]C[Lsugyen [6d\]: it did
]
;W[io]C[nujabes [3k\]: w just keep having sente
sedgwick [?\]: just w got sente for e2 to get a lot back
nujabes [3k\]: he was smart to start the big yose moves first
Lsugyen [6d\]: yeah
nujabes [3k\]: if b got r5  it would have changed a lot
Lsugyen [6d\]: b must reduce w's center
Lsugyen [6d\]: there are 3 points or so there
sedgwick [?\]: where is big in the center? h18, h13?
]
;B[jp]C[Lsugyen [6d\]: h18 is threatening L14
nujabes [3k\]: h13 
]
;W[hg]C[dfhfhfb [1k\]: l11?
nujabes [3k\]: w def in the lead now
croc [4d\]: w is like declaring victory
]
;B[ki]
;W[lh]C[nujabes [3k\]: h18 is not even sente for b
Lsugyen [6d\]: w leading by about 5 points
sedgwick [?\]: b play j18 not h18
sedgwick [?\]: h18 would be a white move
]
;B[lk]
;W[ll]C[dfhfhfb [1k\]: l12
]
;B[ih]C[nujabes [3k\]: h18 
nujabes [3k\]: don't think its big enough to put a move there
sedgwick [?\]: How much do you count h18 as worth?
nujabes [3k\]: 7 or 8 points?
]
;W[hh]
;B[kh]C[sedgwick [?\]: yes, seems a god estimate, once b connect in the center what is bigger than that?
croc [4d\]: N-15 sente
croc [4d\]: w maybe able to kill
sedgwick [?\]: yes, tempting:)
Lsugyen [6d\]: true
Meepy [-\]: any chance p12 makes m11 work?
nujabes [3k\]: hmm the center
nujabes [3k\]: is bigger
]
;W[me]C[MaLa [3d\]: lets see
OohAah [6d\]: white could n10 instead of m8 
MaLa [3d\]: :D
]
;B[ib]C[nujabes [3k\]: really?
]
;W[jc]
;B[hb]C[Gaos [3k\]: wow
Gaos [3k\]: that's really nice
croc [4d\]: wow
nujabes [3k\]: m19  sente
Gaos [3k\]: that's actually brilliant
caglard [11k\]: dont exaggerate
redreoicy [3d\]: very big
OohAah [6d\]: still game over if white m11 
redreoicy [3d\]: w regrets n15 i bet
OohAah [6d\]: n14 is sente now
]
;W[li]C[nujabes [3k\]: w could have k19 instead 
nujabes [3k\]: no?
swinging [1k\]: why would that be better?
redreoicy [3d\]: how so oohaah?
nujabes [3k\]: then m19 wouldnt be sente
OohAah [6d\]: if white o19
]
;B[mi]C[nujabes [3k\]: then its fine u get h18 
OohAah [6d\]: black has to n16 to get an eye
H16 [2d\]: b no worries about p12?
OohAah [6d\]: white p19, black o15 white connects n14 black p15 
]
;W[na]
;B[md]
;W[oa]C[gogonuts [5d\]: b living on a dime
nujabes [3k\]: harsh 2 points
redreoicy [3d\]: that was a very very efficient life
OohAah [6d\]: j18 is more ridiclous than brilliant...weak cutting point in center + non alive group on top = play some yose
nujabes [3k\]: 2 points in gote right there
redreoicy [3d\]: so close to death but alive 
xedover [?\]: black is in byo-yomi
dfhfhfb [1k\]: might be ko though ... 
]
;B[oe]C[OohAah [6d\]: its not about the life of this group
OohAah [6d\]: its about gettting n14 there
OohAah [6d\]: so you can cut at l10 
OohAah [6d\]: n13 now
nujabes [3k\]: b looking forward to m13 
MaLa [3d\]: not q13?
OohAah [6d\]: q13 o15
]
;W[pg]C[nujabes [3k\]: after q13 ofc
OohAah [6d\]: oh sry i read that as p13
OohAah [6d\]: this move good too
]
;B[oh]C[Muttley [2k\]: how many points has Bill got?
nujabes [3k\]: n12 
OohAah [6d\]: n13 still makes miai of o15 and l10 
]
;W[lg]C[nujabes [3k\]: genious
Lsugyen [6d\]: w wins
nujabes [3k\]: center is whites
nujabes [3k\]: or top is dead
nujabes [3k\]: b has to chose ggg
blitztrain [2d\]: disaster for b
OohAah [6d\]: j18 was so greedy
Lsugyen [6d\]: yup
nujabes [3k\]: p15  was more greedy
sedgwick [?\]: j18 I guess atempt to turn game around
OohAah [6d\]: p15 was already too late
sedgwick [?\]: give white chnace to make mistake
nujabes [3k\]: ye
nujabes [3k\]: but still
gogonuts [5d\]: b was like an eel - skillfull of w to grab that eel
OohAah [6d\]: black couldnt save center at that point
blitztrain [2d\]: o13 good?
]
;B[oc]C[gogonuts [5d\]: not much difference
]
;W[rc]C[nujabes [3k\]: lol b still playing
croc [4d\]: very well played both
nujabes [3k\]: ye b had a really good start
Muttley [2k\]: how many games has Bill won/lost, can he still qualify as pro?
]
;B[ii]C[MaLa [3d\]: anyone alive can
MaLa [3d\]: alve in the tourney
gogonuts [5d\]: both 1 loss?
blitztrain [2d\]: 1 lost, he wouldnt play if he was already out
]
;W[ij]C[MaLa [3d\]: both are in lower bracket
Muttley [2k\]: thx gogonuts
MaLa [3d\]: but this match is also Bo3, afaik
Muttley [2k\]: ok, thx MaLa
]
;B[kj]C[blitztrain [2d\]: what is that???
]
;W[ne]C[redreoicy [3d\]: b will squeeze
MaLa [3d\]: best of three
MaLa [3d\]: oh, you mean the moves
MaLa [3d\]: lol
redreoicy [3d\]: but there isn't anything as far as i can see
blitztrain [2d\]: yea mala :D
MaLa [3d\]: kill bottome right
]
;B[hj]C[Muttley [2k\]: I don't :) I want to know simply if Bill still in with a chance
nujabes [3k\]: j8 
blitztrain [2d\]: but its connected :o
]
;W[il]C[nujabes [3k\]: astalivsta
MaLa [3d\]: j8 before that?
nujabes [3k\]: ye
sedgwick [?\]: p4 group can live right?
nujabes [3k\]: b wanted to cut and try to kill bot
]
;B[of]C[redreoicy [3d\]: p14 p13 o13 o12 n13 n12 s14 n14 o13 n13 q15 o13 
nujabes [3k\]: but that's too desesperate
]
;W[og]C[redreoicy [3d\]: big squeeze fun :D
MaLa [3d\]: j8 before h10? ?
]
;B[ng]C[nujabes [3k\]: nah otherwise w is connected
nujabes [3k\]: b is just messing arround
nujabes [3k\]: now
]
;W[pe]C[swinging [1k\]: if b is in byo-yomi these could just be timesuji
nujabes [3k\]: waiting for w to make a mistake
nujabes [3k\]: game is over
nujabes [3k\]: even with timesujis
ThiGar [4k\]: wasn't  o16 called for before o13?
nujabes [3k\]: when its over its over
]
;B[rf]
;W[qe]C[dfhfhfb [1k\]: b n13
nujabes [3k\]: i guess he still believes in being a pro
MaLa [3d\]: he still has a chance
Gaos [3k\]: l14...?
nujabes [3k\]: sure but not in this game
MaLa [3d\]: true
]
;B[ie]C[MaLa [3d\]: but he isn't out yet
]
;W[jf]C[nujabes [3k\]: i'm happy for him, cuz he's good
OohAah [6d\]: imo from this game
OohAah [6d\]: white is quite abit better than this black
USGO3 [-\]: Black resigns.
swinging [1k\]: Isn't this in the loser's bracket? loser is out?
nujabes [3k\]: yes
MaLa [3d\]: it is Bo3
nujabes [3k\]: w is a lot better
MaLa [3d\]: so not out
swinging [1k\]: oh, ok
nujabes [3k\]: but he isn't bad
caglard [11k\]: black resigned
USGO3 [-\]: Thank you all for watching.....
gogonuts [5d\]: thx
FunGoSage [2d\]: thank you
MaLa [3d\]: wait
MaLa [3d\]: it is not..
MaLa [3d\]: next round is Bo3..
MaLa [3d\]: ouch
JustForFun [-\]: This game is not a Bo3
JustForFun [-\]: Mr. Li moves to the Exhibition League
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