(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[5400]OT[5x40 byo-yomi]
GN[2nd AGA Pro Qualification - Eric Lui vs Daniel Gourdeau]PW[Eric Lui]PB[Daniel Gourdeau]WR[7d]BR[6d]DT[2014-01-03]RO[1A]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Dennis Wheeler & Andrew Jackson]C[G361 [2d?\]: ^^
G361 [2d?\]: d4
sinand [5k\]: q16
USGO1 [-\]: They nigiri for color, Daniel wins and chooses black
]RE[W+12.50]
;B[pd]
;W[dp]
;B[pp]C[viajero [3d?\]: The winner of nigiri can choose the color, not black designated?
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;W[dd]C[Teacher [6d\]: can you give me a link of the us ranking list?
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;B[pj]C[G361 [2d?\]: San rei sen
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;W[nc]C[Nyanjilla [-\]: that is not the *correct* way to do nigiri...
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;B[jp]C[Nyanjilla [-\]: winner of nigiri gets black, regardless... at least in Japan
sedgwick [?\]: Nice to see Daniel making a bold opening choice, don't see San rei sen often these days
odif [3k\]: takemiya style
HKA [2d\]: isn't it san ren sei
sedgwick [?\]: yes, sorry
USGO1 [-\]: http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-results-2013
HKA [2d\]: no problem, James, good to see you
sedgwick [?\]: :)
selpahi [1d\]: Q14
Ikay [7k?\]: the winner of this game is promoted pro? or its a tournament?
herissondu [4d\]: ah nice
Konservas [2d?\]: eric will win 
quahog [4k\]: great...good to know
odif [3k\]: its fun to play like this for black
quahog [4k\]: no spoiler alert/
quahog [4k\]: ?
woodrose [1d\]: i prefere USGO2
Backflash [?\]: b has "style"
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;W[qf]C[Jermelle [-\]: B is interesting
Jermelle [-\]: I have a feeling he'll lose tho.
lexansoft [2k\]: o16?
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;B[pf]C[lexansoft [2k\]: hmm
AndEdhel [?\]: b is daniel? or eric?
yew [4k\]: Daniel
AndEdhel [?\]: thx.
gogonuts [5d\]: but as underdog is a good choice - its too hard fow w too :-)
HKA [2d\]: I agree, might get crushed, but fight for a chance
herissondu [4d\]: q14 is interestng
whatisgo [-\]: isn't O16 instead of Q14 a better direction?
Ikay [7k?\]: isn't q14 a "normal" move?
whatisgo [-\]: :)
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;W[pg]
;B[of]C[gogonuts [5d\]: o16 n16 o15 r17 p17 r16 n17 would be bad for b
gogonuts [5d\]: bub b had a real option with o16 n16 p17 o15 p16 p14 n15 
selpahi [1d\]: Is white going to san-san the lower right right after this?
gogonuts [5d\]: i expect r16
herissondu [4d\]: omg all the games look so interesting
gogonuts [5d\]: cant say what will happen elsewhere before this is decided
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;W[qc]
;B[qe]
;W[pc]C[gogonuts [5d\]: this looks decent for b
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;B[og]C[gogonuts [5d\]: it often happens that the clearly stronger player makes a concesion to avoid problems
gogonuts [5d\]: because he wants to win safely
MaLa [3d\]: GO DANIEL!
Ikay [7k?\]: what is better r6 or r3 for w ?
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;W[gq]C[herissondu [4d\]: o3 is better than r6
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;B[cf]C[herissondu [4d\]: but r3 is possible too
gogonuts [5d\]: now w can invade on the other side, so b should prob play something like q6
herissondu [4d\]: hard to tell
herissondu [4d\]: c14 seems fine
Ikay [7k?\]: ok thanks
gogonuts [5d\]: what i understand about c14 is that its more attractive than f17
gogonuts [5d\]: but b can easily lose sente here
Kretzsche [2k?\]: it is more attractive because it can get pinched?
herissondu [4d\]: sooooooo hard to tell
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;W[ci]C[MaLa [3d\]: because top is not interesting at all
gogonuts [5d\]: because the left is more important than the top
isacc0318 [2k\]: w has o17 ... and the upper side is hence less attractive?
herissondu [4d\]: f16 would be nice i think
Kretzsche [2k?\]: therefore pincer right
gogonuts [5d\]: because w o17 makes the top small
herissondu [4d\]: it's more about the center for b
MaLa [3d\]: and keeping sente by making directional mistakes doesn't feel like a good idea in the opening ;)
herissondu [4d\]: maybe g16
gogonuts [5d\]: easy for b to mess up now
herissondu [4d\]: yep
MaLa [3d\]: it may be, but playing chicken doesn't win games ^^
isacc0318 [2k\]: I've seen moves like d15 in similar situation...
gogonuts [5d\]: this isnt turning into the probe that b envisioned
isacc0318 [2k\]: does it work?
Warfreak2 [5d\]: pro pro pro
gogonuts [5d\]: instead b has to take the top or get dragged into a fight
herissondu [4d\]: what is the aim of d15 isacc?
Kretzsche [2k?\]: well you said top is not interesting
Kretzsche [2k?\]: so why not go to c17 now?
JeansebL [6d?\]: are they really broadcasting only 2 games?
isacc0318 [2k\]: if w e16, than b can have c16
herissondu [4d\]: c17 issn't a good idea after a yon ren sei
herissondu [4d\]: the why not c16 first isacc?
Herod [-\]: all four are being broadcast.  See AGA Tournament room
isacc0318 [2k\]: since if b c16 first, then c16 c17 d15 b16
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;B[cc]C[gogonuts [5d\]: i think c14 was greedy - a better move on the left was c10 - and since that was gote q6 instead :-)
herissondu [4d\]: ok, i really don't understand c17
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;W[cd]
;B[dc]
;W[ed]
;B[bd]
;W[be]
;B[bc]
;W[ce]
;B[fc]C[gogonuts [5d\]: now w gets to start at the bottom
herissondu [4d\]: b's position is wierd
karmaic [2d\]: splitting play would work better with san ren sai
isacc0318 [2k\]: get a small corner in gote :D
MaLa [3d\]: small..
herissondu [4d\]: it's not a small corner^^
gogonuts [5d\]: w O3, maybe
isacc0318 [2k\]: about 12 points?
herissondu [4d\]: o3 or m4
herissondu [4d\]: or something else 
herissondu [4d\]: or n4
Teacher [6d\]: USGO1, thx for the link, it is interesting. But it isnt what i asked.
Ikay [7k?\]: b is already high in the offer side so take the corner doesn't look so bad no?
MaLa [3d\]: or something else surely covers the right answer
gogonuts [5d\]: b isnt bad, but his moyo ambitions are lost early
isacc0318 [2k\]: moyo
herissondu [4d\]: yes, he changed his mind 
HKA [2d\]: mind might have been changed for him
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
isacc0318 [2k\]: is a weapon imo
MaLa [3d\]: but is it bad?
MaLa [3d\]: i prefer balcks framework over whites...
MaLa [3d\]: blacks corner over whites...
MaLa [3d\]: in return white has sente
gogonuts [5d\]: if i have to chose, i take w
isacc0318 [2k\]: making a territory imbalance and force w to invade deeply :D
gogonuts [5d\]: with sente, ofcourse
herissondu [4d\]: taking a corner after a yon ren sei is wierd for me
gogonuts [5d\]: but its close
herissondu [4d\]: yep, i prefer w too
MaLa [3d\]: sure, sente is part of the position
MaLa [3d\]: ^^
herissondu [4d\]: still playable :-)
weiqidevil [-\]: i'd like to see n4 or o4 next
gogonuts [5d\]: its a sign of strength that w is taking his time here
HKA [2d\]: Eric takes a lot of time about here in every game
weiqidevil [-\]: lol
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;W[co]C[Ikay [7k?\]: i like c5, it give lot of cash, and b is high
herissondu [4d\]: or maybe he went smoking
HKA [2d\]: he scares me with his time "trouble"
gogonuts [5d\]: the next move has huge implications for the flow
isacc0318 [2k\]: wow
MaLa [3d\]: :D
HKA [2d\]: wow, I was going to suggest this as absurdly patient
herissondu [4d\]: i wouldn't have think of c5
Ikay [7k?\]: lol
midorisuke [3d\]: wait, seriously?
MaLa [3d\]: hm... it actually feels nice...
midorisuke [3d\]: i feel like it was either c5 or r3
isacc0318 [2k\]: still a chance for a ko at bottom left corner
HKA [2d\]: Eric has counted out the endgame
herissondu [4d\]: i want to play something like g5 for b now
MaLa [3d\]: comparing that white move to any black moyomove...
herissondu [4d\]: but i don't know the follow ups
isacc0318 [2k\]: go ren sei?
MaLa [3d\]: i feel this move is achieving more then what black could do with his own moyo
MaLa [3d\]: but would have never played it
MaLa [3d\]: o.O
isacc0318 [2k\]: get tengen
isacc0318 [2k\]: :D
gogonuts [5d\]: back to q6 :-)
HKA [2d\]: of course, now that Eric has played the move I thought of, we can offically say he is in trouble
herissondu [4d\]: g5, o4, q6
LeT [-\]: d10 
Ikay [7k?\]: around 10k level it is played a lot  ^^
weiqidevil [-\]: q6 feels cramped, though
herissondu [4d\]: n16 too
gogonuts [5d\]: but its important not to let w invade the right bottom with good pressure
limerent: Eric Lui is not Sweetrip, right?
woodrose [1d\]: q3
weiqidevil [-\]: yeah,  bottom right is difficult to handle
MaLa [3d\]: gogo, but even if you add 2 moves to blacks framework... it is still not bulletproof
woodrose [1d\]: or r4
isacc0318 [2k\]: q6?
woodrose [1d\]: or g5
weiqidevil [-\]: g5 looks nice
Konservas [2d?\]: what g5...
isacc0318 [2k\]: g5 a little bit too far for me
Konservas [2d?\]: its like saying thanks for white
weiqidevil [-\]: why?
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;B[pn]C[woodrose [1d\]: this lacks ambition
Ikay [7k?\]: n3 incoming?
woodrose [1d\]: takemiya would be ashamed
Ikay [7k?\]: n4
yuedu [9k\]: lacks ambition? it is huge
sedgwick [?\]: what do you mean lacks ambition, Takemiya shows it in his books :)
Konservas [2d?\]: if u have played g5  white would have invaded without problems, less presure on him
herissondu [4d\]: q6 is fine
MaLa [3d\]: n3/n4 would be odd timing
Konservas [2d?\]: q6 is fine move, yes
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;W[lq]C[herissondu [4d\]: g5 wasn't bad 
woodrose [1d\]: its a disgusting defensive move
herissondu [4d\]: lol
woodrose [1d\]: you dont win no game playing like dis me tell yo cracka
yuedu [9k\]: woodrose, he 6d, you kibitzer :)
gogonuts [5d\]: look, its an offensive move now
Lsugyen [6d\]: where is this room?
rsun [5d\]: somehow I feel this is a hard game for b
gogonuts [5d\]: without q6 bcould not hope to attack m3
woodrose [1d\]: i could be 6d if i wasnt 1d
woodrose [1d\]: werent or wasnt?
quahog [4k\]: look under tournament rooms for AGA tournament
weiqidevil [-\]: why m3 instead of m4?
hontono [1d\]: neither
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;B[lo]C[yuedu [9k\]: amd i'd be sammy davis if i was a few inches taller
woodrose [1d\]: has to be one or the other
midorisuke [3d\]: m4 makes a strange shape with g3
hontono [1d\]: It's either "wasn't" or "weren't".
gogonuts [5d\]: m3 has connection potential
weiqidevil [-\]: does it?
herissondu [4d\]: m5 is reaaaally wierd
MaLa [3d\]: k3 into crosscut?
gogonuts [5d\]: and b didnt want to pay with L3 for m4 to remove it
herissondu [4d\]: there is no center
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;W[pq]C[greenway [1d\]: how about Q3?
greenway [1d\]: ;\]
MaLa [3d\]: you win
MaLa [3d\]: after it was played
aristokrat [2d\]: m5 is cool, botth the idea behind and the shape it makes
herissondu [4d\]: omg q3 would be a really bad move
MaLa [3d\]: so you get DQ#ed
isacc0318 [2k\]: q3 p3 ?
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;B[qq]C[isacc0318 [2k\]: hane this side?why
rsun [5d\]: because k2 open
herissondu [4d\]: to kill averythingof course
isacc0318 [2k\]: but
isacc0318 [2k\]: if b cuts them
rsun [5d\]: m3 is light, if you try to capture it, you would get just 10 points or less
gogonuts [5d\]: because this way its kind of redundant for w to play both p3 and k2
Longstride [2d\]: r3 was timesuji?
herissondu [4d\]: lol
herissondu [4d\]: b wll build the right side
herissondu [4d\]: pretty sad
MaLa [3d\]: really?
isacc0318 [2k\]: what is timesuji?
rsun [5d\]: the brother of tesuji
MoonCrest [-\]: play a move anywhere to escape time loss
MaLa [3d\]: when you have 60 minutes at a rolling circle
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;W[op]C[MaLa [3d\]: and eat as much sushi as you can
isacc0318 [2k\]: aha :D
MoonCrest [-\]: twas a joke in this case maybe?
MaLa [3d\]: no jokes on kgs
Longstride [2d\]: nevermind, both players still have 90:00 so that doesn't make sense
rsun [5d\]: there is no valid timesuji move on this board
kurosoul [4k\]: finally he resign i can watch the game now
isacc0318 [2k\]: q5 connect
isacc0318 [2k\]: and w could tenuki no?
MaLa [3d\]: no
Ikay [7k?\]: is there a cam?
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;B[po]C[selpahi [1d\]: It's weird how hoshi keep giving the opponent the corner, especially when it happens twice like at the top. i hate giving up my corner, but i also don't like the kakari -> keima standard joseki, and yet I play hoshi myself.
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;W[oq]
;B[qr]C[kentia [1d\]: o6
Teacher [6d\]: anyway, daniel would be 3-4d in europe
isacc0318 [2k\]: I seldom play gomoku :D
JeansebL [6d?\]: lol no way teacher
JeansebL [6d?\]: daniel is 7d on kgs
rsun [5d\]: europe rank max 7d?
Teacher [6d\]: kgs doesnt matter
isacc0318 [2k\]: Here comes Teacher :D
Teacher [6d\]: it is onlinego
selpahi [1d\]: 6d kgs should be no less than 4d EGF
isacc0318 [2k\]: The games you played with Givelesson are facinating
Teacher [6d\]: marko peter is 8d kgs and weak 4d in europe
JeansebL [6d?\]: ok then you know remi campagni ? he's 5d in europe, and daniel is better
f1230 [7d\]: #shots fired
wurfmaul [1k\]: it
MaLa [3d\]: i agree with jeanse, and i played both ;)
Teacher [6d\]: aga ratings are so weak
kurosoul [4k\]: i need food but i want to watch the game wat do i do
lordvysh [17k?\]: (insert guff) 
JeansebL [6d?\]: daniel doesn't have an aga rating lol
isacc0318 [2k\]: Watch it when you're eating
sedgwick [?\]: Not sure Daniel stronger than Remi, but certainly Remi not clearly stronger either
f1230 [7d\]: this black is stronger then "teacher"
f1230 [7d\]: : ) 
Teacher [6d\]: oh, sorry
rsun [5d\]: aga rating not related to rank, it's written all over AGA website but no one cares
bolbi [-\]: Teacher : could you troll about AGA ratings elsewhere, please ?
kurosoul [4k\]: gd idea f12
Teacher [6d\]: :D
DonValley [5d\]: lol
cricket6: why bolbi?
isacc0318 [2k\]: f12?
Teacher [6d\]: is it a taboo?
bolbi [-\]: because this is not the place to do it
Teacher [6d\]: im not trolling
HKA [2d\]: I dont know, because there is a game to watch
kurosoul [4k\]: not f12 f1230
kentia [1d\]: no but we are more interested on the game
bolbi [-\]: please stop and use the private chat if you want to complain
selpahi [1d\]: left side a bit flat
Schnapps [2k\]: What's this tournament?
rsun [5d\]: k3 or k2?
kurosoul [4k\]: sorry
MoonCrest [-\]: shouder hit still available
rsun [5d\]: they're fighting for the pro
Schnapps [2k\]: Kk
isacc0318 [2k\]: Hey, how to make the words bold?
f1230 [7d\]: why andy liu dont play?
MoonCrest [-\]: while r get nice framework with the right side but the question is
Schnapps [2k\]: Go Daniel, then!
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;W[jr]C[rsun [5d\]: andy already pro dude
MoonCrest [-\]: where to make develop happen
MaLa [3d\]: become mod/admin
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;B[dj]C[MoonCrest [-\]: ah ok my move then
f1230 [7d\]: but dont you have tu qualify every year?
Jazzman [1k\]: wow k2 seems submisive
rsun [5d\]: once pro, forever pro
woodrose [1d\]: only move
HKA [2d\]: two players qualified last year, one more this year
selpahi [1d\]: i overlooked k2
JeansebL [6d?\]: b's game is good, 
MoonCrest [-\]: white trying to split through the o5 twelve likely to end in a thick black and unhappy white jazzman
MoonCrest [-\]: agreed jean
Konservas [2d?\]: why k2 submissive?
MoonCrest [-\]: k2 is a forced response i think... cant hope for much else
Jazzman [1k\]: seems so...i'd try to cut trhough :)
JeansebL [6d?\]: k2 is proper
Jazzman [1k\]: like 06 or sthg
rsun [5d\]: so b is american but has a european rank?
Teacher [6d\]: where is daniel from? 
JeansebL [6d?\]: B is canadian
MoonCrest [-\]: w has some nice terr and there is slight aji for reducing
JeansebL [6d?\]: He's from Quebec
MoonCrest [-\]: responding to this shoulder hit is not easy
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;W[cj]C[MoonCrest [-\]: w has to grit his teeth
msgreg [15k?\]: I think there are two seeds for next year's pro select tournament as well.
HKA [2d\]: Eric is sooooo patient
asdfasdfe: i am not so sure, because since whites c11 is 1 row farther than normal joseki, the shoulder hit will kill any living potential of c15
JeansebL [6d?\]: they wrote 6d because he's 6d in Canada...
MoonCrest [-\]: Yeah he is rather patient
MoonCrest [-\]: i assume he plans to reduce
pwaldron [-\]: he's AGA 6d also
JeansebL [6d?\]: d9 or d8  ?
MoonCrest [-\]: there is o6 for w i overlooked
HKA [2d\]: phil!
MoonCrest [-\]: but yeah
pwaldron [-\]: hi Keith
isacc0318 [2k\]: Is it usually d14 after b f17?
JeansebL [6d?\]: last time he played in the us was 2009...
gogonuts [5d\]: my money just barely on d9
houloulou [1k\]: How about black g5 now ?
JeansebL [6d?\]: instant hane if b g5 lol
isacc0318 [2k\]: d9 
isacc0318 [2k\]: :D
Konservas [2d?\]: weak shape?
rsun [5d\]: b needs to seal, but can't find a good seq
Konservas [2d?\]: g5 
gogonuts [5d\]: g5 is looking better than before now, but b should tidy up the left first, imo
rsun [5d\]: this is the situation where you should ask yourself "what would zen do?"
JeansebL [6d?\]: loll
selpahi [1d\]: i can only see d9 or d8, or tenuki which seems bad
greenway [1d\]: zen? tenuki!
zen [2d\]: wow, I didnt know I'm that popular
Fifouu [1d\]: ^^
q15p17r14 [2d\]: I suspect that the robot's move would be j9
gogonuts [5d\]: the real zen, wow
asdfasdfe: since black played the shoulder hit there are only two moves now
gokinghdl [7k\]: whats about g 10?
gogonuts [5d\]: not that zen19 imposter
kentia [1d\]: d9
asdfasdfe: d9 or d8
zen [2d\]: yep, that's me
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;B[dk]
;W[di]C[asdfasdfe: i think its the right choice, d8 white would clamp
Architect [2k\]: what is black plan after the reduction?
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;B[fj]
;W[ei]C[Ranchan [-\]: moyo
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;B[gl]C[rsun [5d\]: wait for w's reduction
isacc0318 [2k\]: Aha..
Ikay [7k?\]: wow g8
gogonuts [5d\]: they both opted for the standard sequence
Ranchan [-\]: o6 seems legit
rsun [5d\]: w has f9
gogonuts [5d\]: which is the only way to get the standard :-)
asdfasdfe: the problem of this sequence is now, black lost his living potential with his c14 stone
q15p17r14 [2d\]: o6 o5 and the ko favors black?
Ikay [7k?\]: k6 may be?
gogonuts [5d\]: common wisdom says this is good for w locally
greenway [1d\]: I like g15 first
HKA [2d\]: it may be maybe
gogonuts [5d\]: but b isnt looking so bad
asdfasdfe: agree gogo
asdfasdfe: no, he just make a compromise
Kirby [2d\]: where is daniel gourdeau from
MaLa [3d\]: canade
HKA [2d\]: Quebec
LetItGo [1d\]: quebec
sedgwick [?\]: Quebec City
rsun [5d\]: just do sth like M10
Kirby [2d\]: thanks
Ranchan [-\]: canada
K5 [2d?\]: Is C14 really dead as it stands? How to catch E14 jump?
rsun [5d\]: f16 is sente
Ranchan [-\]: f16 
K5 [2d?\]: If E14 is still possible, w may wish to prevent that possibility
asdfasdfe: f16
asdfasdfe: super sente
DonValley [5d\]: daniel is strong
f1230 [7d\]: super sente and super bad
K5 [2d?\]: Ah, yeah
f1230 [7d\]: good combo
Kirby [2d\]: i guess f16 takes away moves like h17
HKA [2d\]: methinks the patience needs to end here
Architect [2k\]: will be hard for w avoid b getting something in center
rsun [5d\]: is w f16 worse than b e14 then?
K5 [2d?\]: I was thinking about h17, but looks a bit 3rd line - maybe not suit the looming megamoyo
isacc0318 [2k\]: the center is almose closed
f1230 [7d\]: equally bad mb:D
isacc0318 [2k\]: almost
q15p17r14 [2d\]: K5, I would wager that h17 is entirely the third line ;-)
f1230 [7d\]: black shouldn't get anything in center
MoonCrest [-\]: blacks more solid area is the side
MoonCrest [-\]: lots of points but center super open
K5 [2d?\]: ^bit^bit too
rsun [5d\]: is M10 too deep?
f1230 [7d\]: M10 then B l11
Ranchan [-\]: like lee sedol deep
f1230 [7d\]: looks uncomfortable
MoonCrest [-\]: i think w go l11 direct maybe?
wolokom [4k\]: arround k16 wrong?
woodrose [1d\]: m10 would look like a tumor
HKA [2d\]: h17...or is that semi touching a weak stone
f1230 [7d\]: next black good move is
f1230 [7d\]: G5
MoonCrest [-\]: or h10
MoonCrest [-\]: hmmm
HKA [2d\]: i mean H7
f1230 [7d\]: i dont think w wanna allow black to play G5
gokinghdl [7k\]: is 0 6 a point for white?
woodrose [1d\]: h10 
kadoban [-\]: k16 not a very good area i don't think. white needs to be more direct, and the top isn't interesting anyway
f1230 [7d\]: so probably need split g8 from k4 now
f1230 [7d\]: but difficult to find correct move
MoonCrest [-\]: its good for like last bet points
MoonCrest [-\]: hmmm
MoonCrest [-\]: j5 area seem interesting?
JesusTeAma [3k\]: what about o6 ?
MoonCrest [-\]: maybe h5ish
Fifouu [1d\]: o6 n4 
greenway [1d\]: or g6?
Ranchan [-\]: h6 
Architect [2k\]: maybe just g5 by itself
tripao [2k\]: h7
Parsa [1k?\]: k6 shape point :P
MoonCrest [-\]: true parsa ;)
MoonCrest [-\]: so is h10
MoonCrest [-\]: but not sure they will play either
MoonCrest [-\]: :p
Parsa [1k?\]: i'd play k6 :)
Architect [2k\]: k6 is bad
MoonCrest [-\]: hehe
USGO1 [-\]: Daniel just realized that he hadn't pressed his clock
hobajons [-\]: k17
Ranchan [-\]: k6 g4 
MoonCrest [-\]: haha go daniel!
kadoban [-\]: woops...
rsun [5d\]: nice treat
MoonCrest [-\]: tell him i said, its ok. we're all playing on borrowed time anyway
asdfasdfe: thats the reason why white didnt make his move
quahog [4k\]: how much time left for the players?
Ranchan [-\]: k10
Ranchan [-\]: that is what I would play
MaLa [3d\]: because there is the dot on it?
rsun [5d\]: k10 m10
gogonuts [5d\]: sneak attack at f9
HKA [2d\]: Old proverb - When opponent fails to hit his clock, think carefully about your next move
JesusTeAma [3k\]: whitw made a incridebly fat move with -30s : D 
Architect [2k\]: i think it isnt honorable dont tell your oponent he forgot the clock
Ranchan [-\]: k10 m10 h6 
Ranchan [-\]: and attack
Alejo [4k\]: I see white tesuji at d12 
HKA [2d\]: seriously, Eric may not hav noticed
Alejo [4k\]: lol
kadoban [-\]: could just be bad luck, this is a place you'd want to think hard anyway, yeah
USGO1 [-\]: he has an hour left on his clock, Eric has about the same
quahog [4k\]: thx
Architect [2k\]: hard this move, cuz o6 and g5 area looks kinda miai
rsun [5d\]: o6 n4 bad shape
asdfasdfe: o6 is what black hoping for
JesusTeAma [3k\]: maybe k6 isn't that bad, if b block on h6ish side he jumps to m3 and get a fortification to extend p3 group to outside
Architect [2k\]: feel k6 is too deep... it would be chased around
higgs [10k\]: save is r14 stones
woodrose [1d\]: 5 dollars on h10 
kadoban [-\]: k6 seems like it's only good if you have really read out a nice sequence...otherwise it's pretty scary. i don't see a clean way to continue myself
Architect [2k\]: and bottom left still hve some aji...
rsun [5d\]: w50 b uncertain
kadoban [-\]: i keep looking at h10, but black can just play k10 area, no?
wolokom [4k\]: against this moyo heavy headache
gogonuts [5d\]: woodrose - i take h11 against your h10
gogonuts [5d\]: but no money :-)
JesusTeAma [3k\]: k6 by it self could died if, w freely go out with o6 or kind of stuff
asdfasdfe: the problem is also if black got some extra moves in the center, he can attaching at j2 and cut off white
kadoban [-\]: o6 area isn't very promising, way too much black aji to seal or cut
Architect [2k\]: think w cant avoid b for converting some points in center
Ranchan [-\]: h7 
rsun [5d\]: j2 is only yose, wouldn't kill w
Ranchan [-\]: get ladder broker and cut
Ikay [7k?\]: this b stone are quite strong...
logstore: t1 is the move
woodrose [1d\]: are you the same guest with the t1 joke since 2006?
Alejo [4k\]: t1 novio d12 is way better 
rsun [5d\]: when go was first invented they played t1 opening
Ikay [7k?\]: reducing this moyo doesn't look enougth for w, he have to go deep in t no?
Alejo [4k\]: t1 nooo (typo) 
logstore: so im not the first one :(
martin3141 [-\]: k11 or l12 maybe?
Ranchan [-\]: q9 
Ranchan [-\]: and get eyes and win
Architect [2k\]: k11 k10?
Architect [2k\]: k11 l10*
Alejo [4k\]: I like h6 followed by k11
Ikay [7k?\]: q9 look very dificult
ibd [-\]: what do you think about k16?
HKA [2d\]: h7 or deeper
Architect [2k\]: k16 looks slow... helps b to settle the center faster
meow [3k\]: o7 ?
Ikay [7k?\]: i think he can live inside the moyo
zen [2d\]: I would be tempted to play h7 to attack the k4/m5 stones
Architect [2k\]: what about h7 g5?
Architect [2k\]: b can damage loer left
f1230 [7d\]: I think white C5 was perhaps slow in the opening
kadoban [-\]: h7 looks like the best plan i can find so far. if nothing else, you can poke at k6 and maybe even h10 later to make shape
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;W[hm]C[Architect [2k\]: h7 here we go
zen [2d\]: wow, I should be 7d
HKA [2d\]: I said it first, Eric is doomed
ibd [-\]: well done, kibitz
f1230 [7d\]: h7 was also the only move i could think
f1230 [7d\]: of
rsun [5d\]: G4
asdfasdfe: kgs moves inc
f1230 [7d\]: but somehow it doesn't feel correct
weiqidevil [-\]: what is the merrit of h7?
kadoban [-\]: black g5 now? that seemed like most interesting
f1230 [7d\]: want to split black
Architect [2k\]: w must choose between hve a lower left damage or gives center to black..
f1230 [7d\]: attack to reduce center
HKA [2d\]: it is deepest I am sure cannot be killed
asdfasdfe: h4 mabye
f1230 [7d\]: otherwise black play g5 too good shape
HKA [2d\]: that was my thinking anyway
weiqidevil [-\]: ah i see. thanks^^
ogogog [5k\]: i would be afraid that after h4, white seals the corner, and black still has not really gained control of the center
asdfasdfe: f5 and h5?
JesusTeAma [3k\]: if wjite let b do what he want theres no point defending that corner, center have even or maybe more points.
aristokrat [2d\]: giant battle coming up
kadoban [-\]: h4 seems like not the right shape to me
ibd [-\]: g5 feels good
tas6466 [5k?\]: g4?
kadoban [-\]: g4 invites h4
asdfasdfe: f5 if white answer below, black can seal white with h5
tas6466 [5k?\]: g4 also builds thickness
JesusTeAma [3k\]: if b h5 white can counter attack with k6 ?
kadoban [-\]: black f5? no, i don't think so. no way white answers below
asdfasdfe: really?
JesusTeAma [3k\]: h5 or g5
asdfasdfe: f3 isnt that big?
martin3141 [-\]: is black j3 worth considering?
kadoban [-\]: it's just not very scary, all it threatens to do is take away a few points, and invites white to destroy way more of black, imo
karmaic [2d\]: h7 is interesting move
kadoban [-\]: martin: don't think so. white is too alive on the right
Architect [2k\]: what about k7?
asdfasdfe: its whites biggest cash actually on board
ibd [-\]: yes, I was just thinking about k7 too
JesusTeAma [3k\]: k7 for b ?
ibd [-\]: I think k7 is sente
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;B[fi]C[woodrose [1d\]: this looks so wrong
Architect [2k\]: ?
gogonuts [5d\]: by whom? :-)
higgs [10k\]: d14
asdfasdfe: he tries to protect cut
Architect [2k\]: destroy the center?
ibd [-\]: simply hane
ibd [-\]: f12
Architect [2k\]: is this even sente?
tas6466 [5k?\]: looks like proper shap
tas6466 [5k?\]: shape*
kadoban [-\]: i'd never play a move like that...but i have no idea if that means it's good or bad
ibd [-\]: if w tenuki, doesn't b e14 make miai for connection?
gogonuts [5d\]: w maybe push at h8
Architect [2k\]: yes, i would go for the center as w... 
martin3141 [-\]: I'm thinking k7 for white
Architect [2k\]: but f11 must hve some meaning.. i dont get it
Architect [2k\]: what is the plan?
JesusTeAma [3k\]: k7 is sente 
MoonCrest [-\]: f11 meaning simple, make his group stronger while leaning into the small area for w that still has aji
tas6466 [5k?\]: i think b want to build to attack he feels too weak
MoonCrest [-\]: nothing more, nothing less
rsun [5d\]: now w can O10
Architect [2k\]: true... now m10 cap against o10 isnt that severe
tas6466 [5k?\]: i don't see it... seems very risky
martin3141 [-\]: I think white wants to attack the left group some more
tas6466 [5k?\]: i like o6 for w
Architect [2k\]: o6 hve n4 weakness
JesusTeAma [3k\]: o6 to a mutual damage :)
Architect [2k\]: no mutual damage... o6 and get cutted.. just it
JesusTeAma [3k\]: o6 n4 o5 n3m6
JesusTeAma [3k\]: crazy stuff
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;W[ol]C[kadoban [-\]: that looks pretty mean
JesusTeAma [3k\]: lol o6 is coming 
kadoban [-\]: theatening to revive the right side aji, semi-connect, all kinds of fun
JesusTeAma [3k\]: for w 
gogonuts [5d\]: war
Architect [2k\]: this w is wild
JesusTeAma [3k\]: play wild, play the best go
gogonuts [5d\]: live fast, die young
f1230 [7d\]: good move
tas6466 [5k?\]: very tricky
HKA [2d\]: its a ladder break...we will see the ladder in 20 or so moves
rsun [5d\]: here's the ladder: w e17 e18 f18 d18 g17 
gogonuts [5d\]: if i let my fingers do the thinking the answer is g4 :-)
rsun [5d\]: did they have the preliminary round on tygem this year?
Falcon89 [4k\]: how anout your brain?
rsun [5d\]: or they just picked these 8 dudes
tas6466 [5k?\]: different torns
tas6466 [5k?\]: its on the aga page
HKA [2d\]: not on tygem, no tygem sponsorship this year
Falcon89 [4k\]: KBA too?
julbla [6k?\]: oh, the pro qualifiers!
HKA [2d\]: KBA still has ongoing support
HKA [2d\]: mostly to aid pros with studying in Korea
Falcon89 [4k\]: good to know, thx
Loop [3k\]: zen would tenuki M15
rsun [5d\]: have they gone to korea yet?
HKA [2d\]: the canadian pro who made it last year spent a good bit of time in Korea
rsun [5d\]: don't the two of them go together?
HKA [2d\]: according to Mr. Kim he has gotten very strong
rsun [5d\]: which Mr Kim?
HKA [2d\]: different lives different schedules
Falcon89 [4k\]: nice
HKA [2d\]: Mr. Kim 9 dan from LA
HKA [2d\]: or in LA at least
Falcon89 [4k\]: Myung Kim
rsun [5d\]: oh tartrate?
HKA [2d\]: theoretically
Falcon89 [4k\]: haha
rsun [5d\]: on kgs we only know tartrate, not Mr Kim ;)
zen [2d\]: complicated game
HKA [2d\]: tartrate was before my KGS time, I was on IGS with tobe
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;B[pl]C[Falcon89 [4k\]: tobe still there?
HKA [2d\]: no
HKA [2d\]: lets get back to the game
rsun [5d\]: now w just needs to play the midpoint, which is LM78
Falcon89 [4k\]: right
zen [2d\]: I can see why you're 5d, with moves like that
kadoban [-\]: that'd be pretty awesome
HKA [2d\]: o6 seems far more playable now
]
;W[mn]C[Ikay [7k?\]: lol
Ikay [7k?\]: dat shape
rsun [5d\]: time for b to fight back
]
;B[mq]C[zen [2d\]: awkward shape for w
K5 [2d?\]: n5 looks natural to me
]
;W[mo]C[bluetable [-\]: oh wait
kadoban [-\]: heh
kadoban [-\]: now looks hard for black to answer
Arhiman [6d?\]: m4
Architect [2k\]: all the potential destroyed...
Architect [2k\]: wonderful for b
iceweasel [-\]: one shld not play n3 without having an answer ready for n5?!
Architect [2k\]: for w*
zen [2d\]: n4 m4 m2 
iceweasel [-\]: logicalyl b shld be happy to play m4, leading to same result had w played n5 at n4
iceweasel [-\]: actually after wn4 b had option of n5...
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;B[fq]C[zen [2d\]: wow
kadoban [-\]: wow indeed
HKA [2d\]: g4...right?
kadoban [-\]: trying to make it scarier for white if black cuts off m3 and k2 stones i guess?
ZeroKun [-\]: is this the last of the qualifiers or are there more of these tournaments to come?
yorugua [6k\]: finals, once these 8 players battle it out, one of them becomes pro
HKA [2d\]: 4 day tournament, two games a day, one pro, this is the last one planned at the moment
ZeroKun [-\]: aww so i missed the earlier games? :(
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;W[gp]C[HKA [2d\]: these are the first games, only pre qual before
kadoban [-\]: this is the first round i believe
yorugua [6k\]: they qualify through a variety of methods
ZeroKun [-\]: oh great
yorugua [6k\]: 4 from last year
yorugua [6k\]: 3 from specific tourn wins
yorugua [6k\]: 1 from online qual
ZeroKun [-\]: thanks
kadoban [-\]: double elimination i guess then from the number of games?
HKA [2d\]: some kind of modified double elim yes
MoonCrest [-\]: i really hope the funding gets better... hope we have more pros someday
ZeroKun [-\]: course whos to say as a mere kyu player, but these dont seem like the pro level id expect to play world wide
MaLa [3d\]: so the pros you expect grow on some trees?
sedgwick [?\]: Black finding it hard to make use of n3,m4,k4 stones, position looking good for w
ZeroKun [-\]: yes!
MaLa [3d\]: these are still the strongest players available
MaLa [3d\]: and you have to start at some point
ZeroKun [-\]: i do believe that
HKA [2d\]: Eric finished 3rd in the World Amatuer and he gave at least one pro in the Samsung a very good game
jodageezer [7k?\]: http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-results-2013
ZeroKun [-\]: not saying theyre weak or anything
ZeroKun [-\]: per se
HKA [2d\]: he certainly showed pro patience here
zen [2d\]: I wonder what the idea for f3 was
kadoban [-\]: is it by accident that 4 are canadian 4 USA, or is that by design?
zen [2d\]: doesn't seem like a good exchange to me
MaLa [3d\]: guess he hoped for fancy counterplay
NlsBlr [1d\]: who are the players?
ZeroKun [-\]: samsung happens to be a customer of ours, i should win them over with some Go stuff on my desk the next time they visit
YangXu [-\]: did 2 players become pro last year?
MaLa [3d\]: instead of a rocksolid move
HKA [2d\]: wanted to make sure we has some canadians, but they have done rather well and taken half the spots
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;B[mp]C[zen [2d\]: I don't see how f3 helps at all in this sequence, just destroyed some aji...
Koons [1d\]: YangXu, if you had only one pro, who would he play?  :)
DonValley [5d\]: canada is strong :3
K5 [2d?\]: Maybe F3 stone fits with J2, which impacts on this aji
MaLa [3d\]: now those poor 2 had to play 50 games against each other...
MaLa [3d\]: but at least the always reached the finals
MaLa [3d\]: 50 out of 50 times
tas6466 [5k?\]: zen has spoken!
mkdm [16k\]: What is USGO ?
zen [2d\]: yea, I do that sometimes, sorry
HKA [2d\]: US go
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;W[lp]
;B[lr]C[kadoban [-\]: USGO is the AGA game broadcasting account
jodageezer [7k?\]: USGO is American Go Assn.
mkdm [16k\]: Is it a real pro qualification ?
MaLa [3d\]: ...
HKA [2d\]: loaded question or easy one?
tas6466 [5k?\]: .....
kadoban [-\]: depends on your definition of real, but yes
MaLa [3d\]: it is all staged
woodrose [1d\]: no its a simulation
tas6466 [5k?\]: just like life
mkdm [16k\]: ^^
mkdm [16k\]: ty
zen [2d\]: how do they get funding to pay the pros?
Falcon89 [4k\]: with KBA support, you can assume this is 'real'
gogonuts [5d\]: mkdm, that was a great troll seed
fretiak [18k?\]: L3 maybe?
MaLa [3d\]: eric will lead by a lot, but then do a simple mistake in the endgame losing him the game, he will throw over the board and then a fight starts... both will end in tears, but in the end, dniel will forgive him, and they both become pro
fretiak [18k?\]: guess from 20k
MaLa [3d\]: sorry for spoilers
]
;W[kq]
;B[no]C[kadoban [-\]: L3 the only move, yeah
mkdm [16k\]: I'm new so I don't know a lot of things
hontono [1d\]: n2!
gogonuts [5d\]: i meant the trolls that your question would attract#
zen [2d\]: I'm not so new and I still don't know a lot of things :(
kadoban [-\]: the US is in baby steps of our professional certifications really, but gotta start somewhere
txtiger [3k\]: p5
JeansebL [6d?\]: lol MaLa
zen [2d\]: o4
tfunk [12k\]: isnt lee sedol planning on moving to us tohelp build the pro scene here?
kadoban [-\]: o4 looks like something..hmm
scrwbll19 [8k\]: o2
gogonuts [5d\]: there must be at least 6 full time fishing channels, and not a single go channel :-)
higgs [10k\]: o4
Parsa [1k?\]: o2 
tas6466 [5k?\]: there is in korea... xD
kadoban [-\]: there's also a starcraft channel in korea i'm sure
woodrose [1d\]: o6 
gogonuts [5d\]: a starcraft new version channel and a starcraft old version channel :-)
Malingo [5d\]: but no fishing channel
gogonuts [5d\]: poor koreans
kadoban [-\]: haha, nice gogo
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;W[km]C[odif [3k\]: pro scene coming to europe in 2015
]
;B[nn]C[MaLa [3d\]: gogo, sc isn't broadcasted on the normal programs anymore ,)
]
;W[mm]
;B[fg]C[Ikay [7k?\]: w look ahead no?
MaLa [3d\]: only SPOTV
kadoban [-\]: so....did black get enough? hmm
gogonuts [5d\]: no, did not
Koons [1d\]: i've not heard of this Daniel
tfunk [12k\]: did black give up aji in lower left?
kadoban [-\]: yeah, looks tough for b now
gogonuts [5d\]: the traded inside bs moyo - thats not a trade in the conventional sense of the word
HKA [2d\]: Scribe...ask Jeff if we can pause this game while I take the family to the train station
kadoban [-\]: hah
zen [2d\]: I still think f3 was a big mistake, would have been more aji there otherwise
Nearlol [18k?\]: These guys who are 5-7 dan. Are you guys pro in real life? =)
Koons [1d\]: odd question
tfunk [12k\]: lot of amateur 5d nearlol
MaLa [3d\]: all dan players are pro in real life
tfunk [12k\]: lol mala
gogonuts [5d\]: pro in my real dreams
Nearlol [18k?\]: ;D
tfunk [12k\]: im sure someone here gets paid
MaLa [3d\]: gogo is our cult leader
Malingo [5d\]: pro in my worst nightmare
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
MaLa [3d\]: sure, some ppl get paid...
Ikay [7k?\]: no nearlol, there isn't a lot of pro on kgs
madingo [4k\]: c'est SG1 ... le tournoi a lieu sur quelle planète ?
MaLa [3d\]: it is not uncommon in capitalist countries
bolbi [-\]: back to the game, please
madingo [4k\]: attention, bolbi il est méchant
bolbi [-\]: mais non
madingo [4k\]: donc je réitère : c'est où le tournoi ?
gogonuts [5d\]: looking back, h7 turned out great - maybe it really was great
bolbi [-\]: http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-results-2013
gogonuts [5d\]: the position before h7 was very difficult
madingo [4k\]: merci :)
Ikay [7k?\]: d14 is a must no?
Koons [1d\]: no
Ikay [7k?\]: or e14 may be
herissondu [4d\]: b s a little ahead
julbla [6k?\]: d14 seems too slow
julbla [6k?\]: and i don't want to count haha
gogonuts [5d\]: f16 g17 g16 possibly
Ikay [7k?\]: but what if w tenuki and b b13?
isacc0318 [2k\]: j17 or h17 maybe?
ashkatriz [-\]: gordeau est un patron
zen [2d\]: I would just play d14
Koons [1d\]: i like splitting b better
herissondu [4d\]: d14 is sloooooow
gogonuts [5d\]: no, isacc, you cant help b connect
kentia [1d\]: slow or honte
herissondu [4d\]: maybe c9
fretiak [18k?\]: how much time do they have left? is it known?
isacc0318 [2k\]: hm..
Nearlol [18k?\]: how w can to save his territory D, E. F 10-11? to save that stones
]
;W[ej]C[Koons [1d\]: nearlol, it isn't always about saving territory, trades are ok
herissondu [4d\]: wow
kadoban [-\]: seems likely that he can't actually save that territory, meaning it isn't territory
isacc0318 [2k\]: ladder now?
herissondu [4d\]: wieeeeeerd
kentia [1d\]: good move
Koons [1d\]: why?
Ikay [7k?\]: what is this doing?
kentia [1d\]: active solution
kadoban [-\]: if black blocks...white plans to go under?
Architect [2k\]: w wants to cu cuz he hve o17 as ladder break
kentia [1d\]: can cut?
tfunk [12k\]: is this aiming to coordinate with h7?
kentia [1d\]: ladder dont work
]
;B[ek]C[isacc0318 [2k\]: Why ladder doesn't work
kadoban [-\]: because of reading...
kentia [1d\]: bc c5 breaks it
Ikay [7k?\]: wow
kentia [1d\]: and o18
isacc0318 [2k\]: Oh I thought you were talking about w doesn't work :D
kadoban [-\]: ah
]
;W[fh]
;B[gh]
;W[eh]C[isacc0318 [2k\]: heh..
Poney [2d\]: Very nice prospects for white
hobajons [-\]: how did w get this many pts
kadoban [-\]: magic
Koons [1d\]: which cutting point do you want to protect, mr b?
woodrose [1d\]: h11 
Poney [2d\]: when b captured P3 with a ton of moves :p
]
;B[gg]C[Koons [1d\]: ooh, this will be fun
]
;W[gi]
;B[gj]
;W[hi]C[kadoban [-\]: oh boy
yorugua [6k\]: poor b
woodrose [1d\]: b needs morphine
woodrose [1d\]: this is going to be painful
zen [2d\]: f16 becomes important
isacc0318 [2k\]: bottom right looks like a chimney
JesusTeAma [3k\]: how works this qualification? winners become pro already ?
MaLa [3d\]: double elim, winner becomes pro
hontono [1d\]: The winners get a warm meal and a wet handshake from actual pros.
Koons [1d\]: maybe w should have forced at f16 first?
JesusTeAma [3k\]: only one will be pro ?
MaLa [3d\]: only one
MaLa [3d\]: so then there will be 3 US pros, still a medal for each in their tourneys, but not everyone gets to the final
JesusTeAma [3k\]: cool
]
;B[hj]C[isacc0318 [2k\]: wait a minute
blacklabel [1d\]: pro-shing from behind
]
;W[ii]
;B[jk]C[Falcon89 [4k\]: wait, isn't that 1 is a Canadian pro from last yr?
blacklabel [1d\]: classic bad for both situation?
MaLa [3d\]: 3 northern american pros
MaLa [3d\]: better?
Falcon89 [4k\]: thx
sedgwick [?\]: yes, better :)
MaLa [3d\]: there are way too many nations in northern america...
Ikay [7k?\]: what does this meen "be a pro" everyone can give lessons wthout been a pro no?
MaLa [3d\]: US, canada, quebec... hard to keep track of all those
blacklabel [1d\]: it means, that if you play go you are actually working
yorugua [6k\]: lol
precal [2k\]: they earn a living when they play go 
Herod [-\]: That's enough MaLa
quahog [4k\]: it is a pro-certification
]
;W[jj]C[MaLa [3d\]: by that definition a lot of players are pro
blacklabel [1d\]: but the AGA Pro certificate is quite new isnt it?
quahog [4k\]: anyone could teach golf...but not everyone is a golf pro
MaLa [3d\]: (working = pro)
tiekue [25k?\]: also allows them to enter bigger tournaments over seas.
woodrose [1d\]: allows them to get qt korean gf
yorugua [6k\]: yes blacklabel, started in 2012
ashkatriz [-\]: LOL
blacklabel [1d\]: and its one a year?
yorugua [6k\]: first year they did 2
MaLa [3d\]: 2 last year
blacklabel [1d\]: oh ok
yorugua [6k\]: this is the second one and there will be only 1
yorugua [6k\]: that sounded like Highlander :)
zen [2d\]: I wonder how they get funding for the pros
kadoban [-\]: they sell the organs of the people who lose the tournament
Falcon89 [4k\]: sponsors
zermaggio: Last year, there was Tygem money.  Now I think it's mostly leftover.
perigril [3k\]: right, they are called donors
blacklabel [1d\]: w want b to donate too :)
]
;B[kk]C[zen [2d\]: how will that work in 20 years when there will be many pros? they will need loads of sponsors
MaLa [3d\]: either the system works...
MaLa [3d\]: and there will be sponsors
Koons [1d\]: by then go will be really popular in NA. :)
MaLa [3d\]: or it fails
zermaggio: I have some doubts this can continue.
MaLa [3d\]: like with every new thing
MaLa [3d\]: ,)
faustu [4k\]: b is in trouble
JesusTeAma [3k\]: after 20 eyers the firts pros will retirwe
blacklabel [1d\]: yeah, you can always adjust any given time
blacklabel [1d\]: but when it comes to go, ignorance is bliss ;)
faustu [4k\]: say H14 3 stones are kaput
zermaggio: First of all, because of the citizenship requirement and the fact that not everyone wants to do this means that pretty soon we'll be down to 1ds at this rate.
USGO1 [-\]: the players are breaking for lunch
zen [2d\]: would be cool to have professional kyus
faustu [4k\]: w also has P10 things
blacklabel [1d\]: i doubt  any 1d who enjoys go, wants to spoil his fun, by studying hard ;)
USGO1 [-\]: they will return in about an hour
faustu [4k\]: thanks
USGO1 [-\]: players are back
sedgwick [?\]: Can we ask time remaining?
USGO1 [-\]: sealed move is being shown
]
;W[kj]C[shinkertif [1d\]: i couldnt find any information about the yournament on internet, şs there any website?
sedgwick [?\]: http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-results-2013
Nearlol [18k?\]: Does anybody know on which level plays Gnugobot38? ;DD can't win, rly x(
shinkertif [1d\]: this is 2013, isnt it?
alex666 [?\]: Hi! Is there on-line of video?
]
;B[ck]C[sedgwick [?\]: Web page was set up in 2013, and distinguishes from the only previous NA professional event in 2013
sedgwick [?\]: in 2012 sorry typ
shinkertif [1d\]: thanks
sedgwick [?\]: c9 nice, didn't think about it, but once you see it good choice
herissondu [4d\]: e13
]
;W[fd]C[Uniqo [9k\]: if b loses g13 w will win?
]
;B[eg]C[USGO1 [-\]: byo-yomi has started for white
yogohool: i don't know anymore, it was moderated chat
manhawk [8d?\]: Go Daniel Go!
]
;W[cg]
;B[gc]C[yogohool: i lost my ideas cus censored chat, now i can't remember anymore
manhawk [8d?\]: He has improved so much over the past couple years.
yogohool: ...
]
;W[gd]C[xDragon [?\]: from that discussion a while ago, i think its sustainable because of the difficulty of qualifying for it
sedgwick [?\]: Usually Daniel plays slow, interesting Eric has gone in Byo-yomi first
manhawk [8d?\]: Does anyone know if Bill Lin has played, or the result?
yorugua [6k\]: Bill won
quahog [4k\]: he won
sedgwick [?\]: Bill Lin Won 14.5 aganst Ben
xDragon [?\]: how about the other two games?
manhawk [8d?\]: Great thanks
yorugua [6k\]: Calvin won
quahog [4k\]: check the web site
]
;B[ig]C[sedgwick [?\]: Calvin won 1.5 against Andrew Lu
manhawk [8d?\]: I think he has a good chance to go pro
quahog [4k\]: maybe posted?
yorugua [6k\]: Jiang... won
xDragon [?\]: im loking at the website and it doesnt say
quahog [4k\]: ok
sedgwick [?\]: Seemed like game was good for Ryan, but perhaps tried to do too much in the attack, and position fell apart
yorugua [6k\]: yes, his position disintegrated
quahog [4k\]: if you look at the  recent games for usgo2, usgo3 and usgo4 you can see the games
]
;W[lk]
;B[lj]C[blacklabel [1d\]: this is so messy
USGO1 [-\]: sorry, I misheard the clock earlier.. byo-yomi hasn't started yet.. it was the 10 min warning
Falcon89 [4k\]: besides Daniel, who else is from Canada?
yorugua [6k\]: Bill
yorugua [6k\]: Ryan
Falcon89 [4k\]: thx
yorugua [6k\]: Jiang...
manhawk [8d?\]: I feel like Bill has the strongest chance out of the Canadians
xDragon [?\]: theres 4 canadians and 4 americans
manhawk [8d?\]: he was 3rd in the Amateur tournament
quahog [4k\]: he was eaated 3rd in this tourneyt...highest seeded candian
quahog [4k\]: seated
Ikay [7k?\]: g16 was werd since j11 wasn't safe
]
;W[li]
;B[mj]C[yorugua [6k\]: he needed to stop the connection
blacklabel [1d\]: yeah but if no g16 g13 isnt  behind enemy lines
blacklabel [1d\]: as long as g13 is weeak, l10 is stronger to that extent
quahog [4k\]: j8?
]
;W[kg]C[yorugua [6k\]: here we go...kill!
yogohool: o,´pssobçe loççom
Ikay [7k?\]: oh yes that make sense ) thx
yogohool: impossible killing
yorugua [6k\]: what? are you serious?
yogohool: yes serious
death101 [1k\]: ..
blacklabel [1d\]: problably both wont die, but something else will :D
]
;B[ij]C[yogohool: how can w kill with a weak group?
woodrose [1d\]: b might die
basicpract [-\]: at least the f17 stones :)
death101 [1k\]: everything dies
]
;W[jh]C[blacklabel [1d\]: if we play yes ;)
yogohool: yes
yogohool: lol
blacklabel [1d\]: classic bad for both position for low dan level :D
]
;B[ie]C[yogohool: c3 b
blacklabel [1d\]: but now both jump to safety
yogohool: ya... like L15
sedgwick [?\]: Assuming both safe, game seems very close
shibumidan [1k\]: white position seems stronger....I say attack B
blacklabel [1d\]: how to attack without getting counter attacked
]
;W[hd]C[xDragon [?\]: if b wins would it be considered an upset?
yorugua [6k\]: yes
yogohool: eric lui pro?
yorugua [6k\]: #1 vs. #8
basicpract [-\]: no one pro yet :P
sedgwick [?\]: Don't think Daniel is really number 8
xDragon [?\]: lui is the 1 seed, aga 8.56
basicpract [-\]: That is what this tournament is to determine :)
sedgwick [?\]: To me only a small upset
Arhiman [6d?\]: isn't zchen playing ?
sedgwick [?\]: No
HKA [2d\]: not a citizen
sedgwick [?\]: didn't know that, seems like he's been around forever...
blacklabel [1d\]: h14 so annoying
yogohool: h14?
sedgwick [?\]: h14 not working, b has d14 sente, and can capture it
HKA [2d\]: heard it from the darkmage's mouth
Eisenmann [5k\]: is 6D french ?
yorugua [6k\]: Canadian
Eisenmann [5k\]: k ths
HKA [2d\]: not 6 d is japanese originally
]
;B[kf]
;W[lf]C[blacklabel [1d\]: w cant d13 in response?
]
;B[ke]C[Arhiman [6d?\]: I don't think any french dan is actually called daniel
yunoo: this is somewhat scary for b
]
;W[le]C[blacklabel [1d\]: ah no
Eisenmann [5k\]: Daniel Gourdeau sounds french. Btw, many of canadian name sounds french.
indianayk [4d\]: Didn't Eric placed very high in the international amatuer tourney in Japan?
MaLa [3d\]: quebec speaks french
]
;B[ld]C[MaLa [3d\]: ,)
secureid [5k\]: b is 'whiterawr' on KGS
]
;W[md]C[HKA [2d\]: Eric placed 3rd in WAGC, highest US finish ever
sedgwick [?\]: Yes, Quebecois French is Daniel's first language
]
;B[ki]C[indianayk [4d\]: thx
MaLa [3d\]: seperatists..
Falcon89 [4k\]: some
secureid [5k\]: no politics here pls
]
;W[ji]C[HKA [2d\]: no politics, please
shibumidan [1k\]: yes...b seems caught out in the open
blacklabel [1d\]: that should be a general human rule worldwide to make it a better place :P
sedgwick [?\]: position is very complicated
blacklabel [1d\]: anyway, intense fight
]
;B[me]C[klausP [3d\]: indeed
yogohool: w seems fine
yogohool: b is the only crapped
MaLa [3d\]: n15 better then m13?
MaLa [3d\]: hmmm
globax [3d\]: why not m13 at once ?
blacklabel [1d\]: because w would make alive then?
yorugua [6k\]: I thought you said it was impossible to kill yogo
Arhiman [6d?\]: m13 is very very painful for n10 stones
Borgoto: Daniel Gourdeau is French Canadian
USGO1 [-\]: w has entered byo-yomi
MaLa [3d\]: blcklabel how so? if lifing involves losing m14 im not sure it is worth it
Arhiman [6d?\]: quite a fast byoyomi for a pro qualifier :/ that's too bad !
]
;W[mf]C[blacklabel [1d\]: well m13 n10 is sente
blacklabel [1d\]: both can trade and give 2 stones
blacklabel [1d\]: but thats not what b wants right=
]
;B[lg]C[Ikay [7k?\]: w cut with g11 was realy necessary? he looked ahead no?
HKA [2d\]: my question is, for later, can white O2?
secureid [5k\]: ko?
]
;W[mg]
;B[lh]C[Schnapps [2k\]: go Daniel!
theboot [2d\]: o daniel is playing nice
precal [2k\]: w cannot o2 since black can play at l2 
]
;W[mi]
;B[mh]C[manhawk [8d?\]: You can do it Daniel!
]
;W[ni]C[JesusTeAma [3k\]: both players are from usa ?
]
;B[nh]C[Borgoto: Daniel is Canadian
MaLa [3d\]: w us, b can
xDragon [?\]: we only mentioned that like 10 moves ago
Schnapps [2k\]: w us, b qc
Arhiman [6d?\]: of course b can !
]
;W[nj]
;B[mk]C[klausP [3d\]: nice show
woodrose [1d\]: g10 gonna die tho
LeT [-\]: b rocking
blacklabel [1d\]: seems like n14 at n10 directly was better?
Arhiman [6d?\]: o9
]
;W[nk]C[Eisenmann [5k\]: so what.
chw [?\]: g10 group in danger
JesusTeAma [3k\]: w will counter attack HAAARD
theboot [2d\]: hum cant believe this is daniels game, completely changed fuseky style
woodrose [1d\]: b cant save both l15 and g10
Arhiman [6d?\]: w will make a looot of points at the bottom even without killing
secureid [5k\]: l12?
]
;B[bj]C[sandbag [4d\]: b has to o15 right?
klausP [3d\]: wow
MaLa [3d\]: whaaat?
blacklabel [1d\]: rofl
klausP [3d\]: tenuki unexpected
sedgwick [?\]: time tesuji
sedgwick [?\]: maybe
RiseAnew [3d\]: lol
sedgwick [?\]: this is sente anyway
]
;W[bi]C[klausP [3d\]: seemed like black can only capture
MaLa [3d\]: not a beneficial one, is it?
blacklabel [1d\]: ah the nasty squeeze, right
USGO1 [-\]: b 5:00 remains
blacklabel [1d\]: looks benfitial
]
;B[ll]C[MaLa [3d\]: ah, coming back, ofc
theboot [2d\]: James since when daniel play san ransei?
shibumidan [1k\]: b has a lot on his plate to deal with...
blacklabel [1d\]: w too
]
;W[ml]C[shibumidan [1k\]: I don't see that for w
power [3k\]: real life escape?
Schnapps [2k\]: lol
JesusTeAma [3k\]: daniel quit rage, oh, wait!
dsfsdf: haha
Schnapps [2k\]: usg ragequitted
]
;B[dg]C[kadoban [-\]: i don't think the game recorder usually escapes
Nyanjilla [-\]: connection problem, maybe
rizer [1k\]: b plays the atomic tesuji, the recorder is struck in the eye
power [3k\]: hey, I was 2k 1 hour ago
MaLa [3d\]: you will forget how to play go by next week
Borgoto: youre giving too much support
Demon [3d\]: *likes MaLa's comment*
]
;W[bg]C[hontono [1d\]: This isn't Facebook.
klausP [3d\]: damit what am I doing hrere?
blacklabel [1d\]: no facebook here, pls
]
;B[bl]C[rizer [1k\]: *likes blacklabel's comment*
xedover [?\]: sorry.. I forgot who I was for a moment and bumped the recorder offline momentarily
indianayk [4d\]: b8 is strange at best
]
;W[cm]C[learnslow [1k\]: *likes hontono comment*
HKA [2d\]: dennis, is by definition, forgiven
sedgwick [?\]: h17?
xedover [?\]: thanks :)
sandbag [4d\]: h17 is small right now
klausP [3d\]: it is getting nasty
power [3k\]: Does AGA have professionals?
MaLa [3d\]: 2
basicpract [-\]: yup
power [3k\]: professional players
basicpract [-\]: and more after this :)
]
;B[hl]C[quahog [4k\]: professional program started in 2012
sandbag [4d\]: since this is the 2nd qualification there had to be a first 
power [3k\]: good
goodminton [-\]: where is the second eye
blacklabel [1d\]: not good. pro! ;9
Squiggles [1k\]: white looks to be in much better shape
power [3k\]: I dont know if this is the first qualification
]
;W[kd]C[woodrose [1d\]: w attacking everything
hontono [1d\]: sure is big
sandbag [4d\]: l16 is pretty big
sandbag [4d\]: l12 
q15p17r14 [2d\]: You can read the demonstration's title above the goban
power [3k\]: k13 
indianayk [4d\]: if b had to do h8, game is over
xedover [?\]: http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-results-2013
shibumidan [1k\]: tough situation for b....proabably sacrifice in order here
USGO1 [-\]: b 1:00 remains
Redjoker [3d\]: w is so strong XD
]
;B[jd]C[xDragon [?\]: 8 person tournament, winner will become aga pro
]
;W[lc]C[xDragon [?\]: 2nd and 3rd will get automatic entry into the next one
USGO1 [-\]: b has entered byo yomi
power [3k\]: thank you xDragon
shibumidan [1k\]: no connection for b
]
;B[kh]C[KingJoff3 [7d\]: slay the infidel !
basicpract [-\]: Black can live with l12
yorugua [6k\]: b has entered the pain cave
q15p17r14 [2d\]: I think white used to play on KGS as Pianist and TheOne. I loved his games, and he had good satirical kibitz
basicpract [-\]: whoops, he beat me there :P
]
;W[oh]C[blacklabel [1d\]: l12 leaves p12 :(
shinkertif [1d\]: there we go
Detroit [?\]: rip b
shibumidan [1k\]: wow...nice w move
]
;B[ng]C[q15p17r14 [2d\]: He would always say, "Black hasan active plan" when there was nothing useful to say
hontono [1d\]: it was obvious that w was going for this move when he played L16
sandbag [4d\]: this looks terrible for b
KingJoff3 [7d\]: b messed up here i think
]
;W[lk]C[KingJoff3 [7d\]: he should have k13 
woodrose [1d\]: this is resignable
]
;B[jc]C[Redjoker [3d\]: ...
sandbag [4d\]: w got everything he wanted
hontono [1d\]: W K13 lol
sedgwick [?\]: w need to live now with d14 or so
goodminton [-\]: k17 is setting up for r
MaLa [3d\]: w has to defend top once...
Redjoker [3d\]: k17 bad
MaLa [3d\]: top left
Redjoker [3d\]: isn't it?
sedgwick [?\]: and b can come back to o11
blacklabel [1d\]: d14 needed 
sandbag [4d\]: h17 possible for w i think
]
;W[hc]
;B[hb]
;W[ib]C[yorugua [6k\]: can w j18?
donner [?\]: libs
]
;B[gb]C[yorugua [6k\]: I guess he can :)
Redjoker [3d\]: but k13 becomes sente i guess
]
;W[ic]C[yorugua [6k\]: k13
]
;B[jg]C[hontono [1d\]: W chickened out
sandbag [4d\]: gote it sems
MaLa [3d\]: o.O
blacklabel [1d\]: m10 capture so nice. no w has j9
MaLa [3d\]: W even got sente in that...
KingJoff3 [7d\]: q11 is almost sente... so painful
]
;W[im]C[Redjoker [3d\]: if i were w i would play clam too :D
goodminton [-\]: d14 l18 miai ? then he can j7
goodminton [-\]: ooops toolate 
power [3k\]: I am w
MaLa [3d\]: no racism pls
]
;B[em]C[blacklabel [1d\]: no trolling pls
Redjoker [3d\]: xD
woodrose [1d\]: joff pls go
patata [4d\]: joff?
patata [4d\]: kingjoff?
KingJoff3 [7d\]: no one tells the king to go
]
;W[bm]C[patata [4d\]: ahah7
power [3k\]: what is almost sente?
sandbag [4d\]: joff dies anyway so it doesn´t matter
]
;B[gm]C[blacklabel [1d\]: alomst sente = you can ignore it :D
patata [4d\]: please ban sandbag for spoiling
Redjoker [3d\]: q11 and r 13 would problably hurts blacks group
sandbag [4d\]: O.o
patata [4d\]: ahah
MaLa [3d\]: was this needed?
MaLa [3d\]: o.O
MaLa [3d\]: not q12?
patata [4d\]: O.O
sandbag [4d\]: q11 is so huge
patata [4d\]: o.o
power [3k\]: s14 
]
;W[pi]C[USGO1 [-\]: ping
sandbag [4d\]: resign time
rizer [1k\]: pong
MaLa [3d\]: g7... why? i don't see the kill :(
theboot [2d\]: b resign here ?
Truelie [15k?\]: ping?
xDragon [?\]: next round starts in about 2 1/2 hours. these two wont have much rest time
dsfsdf: ping?
Lsugyen [6d\]: w+ by 20 now
xedover [?\]: wasn't me this time
blacklabel [1d\]: yeah that attack on g13 was too severe
]
;B[qg]
;W[qi]C[zftiik: is w bbw?
]
;B[go]C[xedover [?\]: no
HKA [2d\]: bbw is already pro
MaLa [3d\]: bbw is already pro
MaLa [3d\]: meh
MaLa [3d\]: !
CBlue [?\]: bbw is sweetrip
precal [2k\]: bbw is andy liu
goodminton [-\]: but g7 wasnt necessary for living so q12 looked much bigger
zftiik: tx all
Redjoker [3d\]: i would try c3
yunoo: its hbw
yunoo: huge bad wolf
]
;W[fp]C[HKA [2d\]: again, if white can o2 now it is getting big
indianayk [4d\]: w has s14 to attack the entire b
shibumidan [1k\]: b territory going pooof!
]
;B[rd]
;W[ho]C[Borgoto: this is first and eight seeds?
quahog [4k\]: yes
sandbag [4d\]: i think o2 leads to a ko that w takes first but not 100% sure
]
;B[kb]C[MaLa [3d\]: hm?
MaLa [3d\]: b takes first, no?
MaLa [3d\]: uh no, is it ko at all?
]
;W[lb]C[Redjoker [3d\]: o2 does not work
HKA [2d\]: well, my reading is bad then
HKA [2d\]: which I knew already
power [3k\]: no ko @ o2
]
;B[la]
;W[ma]
;B[ka]C[sedgwick [?\]: so after w d14 does 017 group have any propblems?
sandbag [4d\]: yeah... i misread that
Lsugyen [6d\]: nope
Lsugyen [6d\]: w is safe after D14
]
;W[df]C[humppa [3d?\]: w woulddie
]
;B[am]C[humppa [3d?\]: unless miracle
kairos [-\]: easy win for w
blackness2 [1d\]: b resign now?
sandbag [4d\]: w leads big anyway so no need
blacklabel [1d\]: the fighting in middle didnt look easy
Borgoto: do the individual game scores affect the tournament?
USGO1 [-\]: w last byoyomi
kadoban [-\]: i doubt it, they never do
Parsa [1k?\]: except hahn
blacklabel [1d\]: nah a win is a win, no matter if resign or .5
]
;W[bn]C[sedgwick [?\]: game still pretty close
Truelie [15k?\]: why not n18?
MaLa [3d\]: hm, how does o2 play out exactly?
xDragon [?\]: how close james
blacklabel [1d\]: o2 n2  :D
Demon [3d\]: o2 n2 o4 q2 
MaLa [3d\]: ...
sedgwick [?\]: not sure :)
HKA [2d\]: yeah, q2 was my blind spot
blacklabel [1d\]: as long as b doesnt l2 hes fine
shibumidan [1k\]: I don't see it as close...
HKA [2d\]: still maybe a worthwile squeeze?
power [3k\]: s10 
]
;B[mb]C[sedgwick [?\]: w have 50 pts bottom & middle
odif [3k\]: white is ahead
sedgwick [?\]: 5 upper left
kadoban [-\]: L2 doesn't change anything, does it?
globax [3d\]: w r8 big
]
;W[ob]C[globax [3d\]: b has to play r9
]
;B[rk]C[blackness2 [1d\]: why not just s9 outright
MaLa [3d\]: r8 now?
blackness2 [1d\]: as w
blackness2 [1d\]: instead of r8?
sedgwick [?\]: b 20 upper left and center through upper right
MaLa [3d\]: ah no
]
;W[fn]
;B[cl]C[Truelie [15k?\]: is m15 alive?
SiaBBo [3k\]: yes
power [3k\]: yes
]
;W[gn]C[Truelie [15k?\]: how so?
Kirby [2d\]: looks like a close game to me
power [3k\]: it has 2 eyes
Demon [3d\]: it's connected to m17/n16/o17
]
;B[ph]C[rizer [1k\]: try everything you can think to kill it, observe that it doesn't work
Lsugyen [6d\]: w is winning on the board by 1
]
;W[oi]C[goodminton [-\]: g6 says i am 5 points ahead so lets bring it home safely
AutoAtari [1k\]: b s17
]
;B[rb]C[AutoAtari [1k\]: s18 I menat
AutoAtari [1k\]: rats
]
;W[na]
;B[qb]C[SiaBBo [3k\]: wow looks dangerous
goodminton [-\]: no
AutoAtari [1k\]: just yose
kadoban [-\]: not really, still alive
Lsugyen [6d\]: O16
Vinicius [2d\]: not dangerous but big
]
;W[pb]
;B[rh]C[woodrose [1d\]: e17 
power [3k\]: l2 !
]
;W[ri]C[drala [1k\]: hard to give 7.5 points here 
]
;B[ef]C[globax [3d\]: o2 semedori ?
vikki2 [2k\]: is o2 an opzion for white?
scrwbll19 [8k\]: yes
SiaBBo [3k\]: o2 doesnt work
globax [3d\]: but shibori costly
]
;W[de]C[vikki2 [2k\]: what is the sequenz?
yunoo: lot of ko threats tho
HKA [2d\]: I am looking at n2 then o4
scrwbll19 [8k\]: w should have enough libs for o2
goodminton [-\]: but w still ahead by komi so tis should be it at this level
HKA [2d\]: but I think it fails too
scrwbll19 [8k\]: it depends on whether b wants to save m2
groupoid [3k?\]: I'd say o2 makes b have to really capture w, so it's worth a good amount of points
]
;B[kl]C[drala [1k\]: b ahead by one i think
groupoid [3k?\]: at least that
globax [3d\]: w+8
drala [1k\]: one liberty there
drala [1k\]: or 2
]
;W[ec]
;B[eb]C[fekand5 [1d\]: j8
Parsa [1k?\]: h19
drala [1k\]: s17
]
;W[lm]
;B[il]
;W[ha]C[drala [1k\]: nice
]
;B[fa]C[kentia [1d\]: l2?
snhmib [8k\]: can w cut d18 and then connect j19?
]
;W[qk]C[Kirby [2d\]: just connect j19 directly if you want to do that
xDragon [?\]: d18 would be unnecessary
]
;B[ql]C[xDragon [?\]: j19 just a ko threat right now
sedgwick [?\]: b want k7 ko later?
snhmib [8k\]: oh ok
Kirby [2d\]: j19 is basically if w gets L17
goodminton [-\]: s19 l2
fekand5 [1d\]: s8
goodminton [-\]: s 10
]
;W[pk]
;B[qj]
;W[ok]
;B[rj]C[shinkertif [1d\]: its still close game but harrd for b to come back
]
;W[sj]C[shinkertif [1d\]: w+5
patata [4d\]: white just played bad
goodminton [-\]: dont count it  close
DonValley [5d\]: b need t9 :(
]
;B[kr]
;W[jq]C[ErrorGo [2d\]: why need it ? 
hontono [1d\]: t8
DeadTired [2d\]: I assume because t8 hurts
]
;B[ne]
;W[rc]
;B[sc]C[kentia [1d\]: does it?
MaLa [3d\]: it does
]
;W[pa]C[DonValley [5d\]: and s13 after
]
;B[qa]C[DonValley [5d\]: wait nvm
globax [3d\]: a10
DonValley [5d\]: jaja
]
;W[pm]C[sestir [2d\]: t13 after
]
;B[qm]
;W[om]C[precal [2k\]: o2 works
meuns [1d\]: or not
parkridge [3d?\]: b can resign
sedgwick [?\]: t8 big move for w now
AutoAtari [1k\]: w can resign too
shibumidan [1k\]: I like O2 for white...
]
;B[dm]C[xDragon [?\]: if o2 was ha good im suer w would have played it by now
xDragon [?\]: was that good*
meuns [1d\]: true
Enceladus [2d?\]: who is b?
Kirby [2d\]: good reasoning
patata [4d\]: o2 big yose move
kadoban [-\]: well, players have been known to make mistakes
shibumidan [1k\]: lol...maybe
HKA [2d\]: I think q2 still beats it
shinkertif [1d\]: if its a pro qualification than its better to try every chance before a simple resign
]
;W[dn]
;B[en]C[parkridge [3d?\]: w can finish reverse comi
]
;W[eo]C[xDragon [?\]: b is daniel gourdeau. allegedly whiterawr on kgs
MaLa [3d\]: both ignore t9/t8?
Borgoto: i confirm it is whiterawr
globax [3d\]: l17
]
;B[ai]
;W[ah]
;B[aj]C[meuns [1d\]: tygem nickname? 
CBlue [?\]: wasnt zhaonian chen a US citizen?
HKA [2d\]: nope
goodminton [-\]: doesnt q2 give ko now?
power [3k\]: w + komi
CBlue [?\]: oh, where's he living
fekand5 [1d\]: d12
CBlue [?\]: ?
Kirby [2d\]: L17 isn't points
HKA [2d\]: New York
]
;W[ks]C[CBlue [?\]: what citizenship does he have?
]
;B[mr]C[HKA [2d\]: not sure, he just told me not US
xDragon [?\]: id guess chinese
HKA [2d\]: China or Taipai
HKA [2d\]: I assume
]
;W[sl]C[precal [2k\]: guess w wants a close match 
AutoAtari [1k\]: Tai Pai Dong :p
goodminton [-\]: rather safe win
]
;B[rl]C[precal [2k\]: ah yes agree 
]
;W[sk]
;B[sm]
;W[si]C[patata [4d\]: he missed o2
shibumidan [1k\]: lol
goodminton [-\]: no didnt need o2
Kirby [2d\]: ho ho
]
;B[rn]C[xDragon [?\]: i wouldnt say he missed it necessarily, but that he didnt need to play it
goodminton [-\]: prefered better provider
shinkertif [1d\]: t13
Redjoker [3d\]: :D
Redjoker [3d\]: right
precal [2k\]: prefer to go to the end 
]
;W[an]C[xDragon [?\]: if w was behind it would have been played im sure
goodminton [-\]: yepp
precal [2k\]: guess he is testing himself 
]
;B[al]C[shibumidan [1k\]: s13 better...no?
MaLa [3d\]: s13 fails
globax [3d\]: t13
MaLa [3d\]: t13 works
herissondu [4d\]: he missed it
shibumidan [1k\]: ahh
]
;W[sh]C[herissondu [4d\]: because o2 was good yose
Kirby [2d\]: i thought the point was to get miai with t13 and s6
]
;B[sg]
;W[qh]
;B[rg]C[kentia [1d\]: t13 was gote
]
;W[qd]
;B[rf]C[Kirby [2d\]: maybe that's the reason
]
;W[od]
;B[ch]C[HKA [2d\]: c12 has black value
]
;W[bh]
;B[dh]
;W[ae]C[JesusTeAma [3k\]: how much points less then 5 ?
precal [2k\]: about 
kentia [1d\]: w+2.5
]
;B[pe]C[Redjoker [3d\]: no more
woodrose [1d\]: you didnt count
TheThe [5k\]: aga rules
]
;W[ad]
;B[ac]C[Kirby [2d\]: yes it does
]
;W[he]C[kentia [1d\]: educated guess
]
;B[hf]C[TheThe [5k\]: but aga rules don't
MajorTom [3d\]: one hour until next round starts?
HKA [2d\]: two
USGO1 [-\]: 2 hr
woodrose [1d\]: damn
]
;W[fm]
;B[fl]C[woodrose [1d\]: im going to sleep at 4am again
RiseAnew [3d\]: not healthy
JesusTeAma [3k\]: how is the time set for this match ?
fekand5 [1d\]: k7
]
;W[jm]C[quahog [4k\]: 90 min 5x40
JesusTeAma [3k\]: thanks
]
;B[nd]
;W[jl]
;B[ik]C[goodminton [-\]: rather 10p now 77 to 66 aga
fekand5 [1d\]: h12
]
;W[hh]C[Nearlol [18k?\]: Who is that man USGO1? 
MajorTom [3d\]: thx
]
;B[ls]
;W[js]
;B[np]C[quahog [4k\]: game scribe from aga
]
;W[hg]
;B[gf]C[donner [?\]: w +9
]
;W[on]
;B[oo]
;W[nm]C[Lsugyen [6d\]: when will round 2 begin?
]
;B[fe]
;W[ia]
;B[ga]C[xDragon [?\]: in 2 hours
MajorTom [3d\]: 2 hours
]
;W[id]C[xedover [?\]: Round 2: <gmt>2014-01-04 0:30</gmt>
]
;B[kc]
;W[ld]
;B[pg]
;W[mc]
;B[oe]
;W[oc]C[AutoAtari [1k\]: wow, so horrible date format
]
;B[ge]
;W[lj]
;B[jb]
;W[oj]
;B[je]
;W[ih]C[Falcon89 [4k\]: but xedover got the right local time
]
;B[ee]
;W[nf]
;B[ja]C[Kirby [2d\]: i think he's referring to "month/day/year time"
]
;W[bf]C[kentia [1d\]: yeah..bed time
yorugua [6k\]: w+12.5
kentia [1d\]: too bad
MajorTom [3d\]: thx for relay USGO1
Kirby [2d\]: looks like the end
USGO1 [-\]: counting
AutoAtari [1k\]: also 2-digit year, no leading 0
HKA [2d\]: KGS count not official in AGA rules
HKA [2d\]: but this looks clear
Arie [?\]: why b14?
Baldanders [4k\]: works okay if you view offline and use the score tool
shibumidan [1k\]: did b get enough.....??
Baldanders [4k\]: it's just SE that can't do it
globax [3d\]: thx usgo01
indianayk [4d\]: why b4?
kentia [1d\]: thx interesting game
indianayk [4d\]: b14?
DonValley [5d\]: aga rul;es
RiseAnew [3d\]: rule w has to add a stone or sthing?
HKA [2d\]: always defend never pass
USGO1 [-\]: w+12.5
quahog [4k\]: in aga rules...w has to play last...he could pass and give a pass stone or play b14
kairos [-\]: thanks usgo
USGO1 [-\]: Thanks all!
Schnapps [2k\]: where can we see the schedule?
Baldanders [4k\]: thanks usgo
USGO1 [-\]: see you in 2 hours
Javaness [2d\]: merci
Schnapps [2k\]: Thanks usgo :)
goodminton [-\]: nice game thx
indianayk [4d\]: thx
dsfsdf: thx usgo
power [3k\]: thx
HKA [2d\]: nice job Eric
HKA [2d\]: and good game DAniel
Falcon89 [4k\]:    thanks  USGO1
Hanscom [13k?\]: Who's he going to be paired against?
HKA [2d\]: and always a pleasure Dennis
Falcon89 [4k\]: thx for all the info, HKA
KurataKun [3d\]: se says w+11.5
kadoban [-\]: SE is pretty dumb
KurataKun [3d\]: but se is always right at the end
kadoban [-\]: not really, no
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