(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[5400]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
GN[1st AGA-TYGEMGO Pro Finals - 6A, game 2]PW[Eric Lui]PB[Jianing Gan]WR[7d]BR[6d]DT[2012-08-02]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Andrew Jackson / Todd Heidenreich]C[USGO2 [-\]: The round will begin in two minutes
USGO2 [-\]: This is game two of the best-of-three series between Eric Lui and Jianing Gan.  Gan won the first game with white, and the contestants will alternate colors for the remaining games
USGO2 [-\]: Thank you!
USGO2 [-\]: No further chats from me until the game is over.  See you at the end!
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[pd]
;W[dd]
;B[pq]C[fortuna [3k\]: what are their kgs names?
]
;W[dp]
;B[qk]C[Syu [1k\]: w used to be pianist, maybe using compendium now.. b dunno..
]
;W[gq]
;B[fc]
;W[cf]
;B[nc]
;W[hc]
;B[ck]
;W[co]
;B[ch]C[Javaness [3d\]: i believe he played with the compendium handle in the Suk Choi cup
]
;W[ec]
;B[fd]C[spanglish [3k\]: b uses hkkyeen
]
;W[dj]
;B[bf]
;W[be]
;B[cj]
;W[he]
;B[df]
;W[cg]
;B[dg]
;W[dh]
;B[ce]
;W[bg]
;B[cd]
;W[cc]
;B[bd]
;W[af]
;B[de]
;W[ci]
;B[eh]
;W[di]
;B[eb]C[malaxor [9k\]: extension
malaxor [9k\]: time
malaxor [9k\]: m17
]
;W[np]C[malaxor [9k\]: strong!!
]
;B[po]C[malaxor [9k\]: shut me the heck up
malaxor [9k\]: :))
]
;W[oq]
;B[pr]
;W[nn]
;B[pm]C[bubba [4d\]: I think I like black's position a little better here
gnarf [1k\]: m17?
]
;W[lc]C[malaxor [9k\]: yes
malaxor [9k\]: boom
]
;B[dk]
;W[ek]
;B[el]
;W[fl]
;B[bi]
;W[bh]
;B[dm]
;W[em]
;B[dl]
;W[fk]
;B[en]
;W[fm]
;B[cn]
;W[fo]
;B[bo]
;W[bp]
;B[bn]
;W[pp]
;B[qp]
;W[op]
;B[pn]C[malaxor [9k\]: R14\\
LeT [-\]: w will O8
]
;W[mk]
;B[bq]
;W[or]
;B[cq]
;W[dq]C[malaxor [9k\]: looks like a simple blocking maneouver 
malaxor [9k\]: yup
]
;B[hq]C[malaxor [9k\]: agressive!!!
osvaldo [1d\]: wow!
LeT [-\]: fun 
malaxor [9k\]: yeah
malaxor [9k\]: there will be blood
]
;W[hr]
;B[ir]
;W[iq]
;B[hp]
;W[jr]
;B[lm]C[osvaldo [1d\]: it seemslike these hanes by white will giveblack a lot of sente moves
Rochedale [7k\]: Who is playing what color? My phone doesn't say.
]
;W[mm]
;B[kk]
;W[li]
;B[ip]
;W[jq]
;B[gr]
;W[is]C[osvaldo [1d\]: black is jianing gan (canada) white is eric lui (USA)
Rochedale [7k\]: Thank you.
osvaldo [1d\]: np
esko [1d?\]: we know >.<
]
;B[go]
;W[gp]C[gnarf [1k\]: youhou! Iceland won!!
]
;B[fp]
;W[fq]
;B[fn]
;W[gn]
;B[eo]
;W[ho]C[bumbo88: huge ko
]
;B[mj]
;W[lj]
;B[ml]
;W[nl]
;B[hn]
;W[fo]
;B[lk]
;W[ll]
;B[go]
;W[bc]
;B[io]C[osvaldo [1d\]: this whole sequence was really nice by black, starting with mvoe 69
esko [1d?\]: w?
Inushogun [2k\]: e10 cut looks nasty now...
]
;W[ad]C[Divine [7d\]: is this round 3?
Inushogun [2k\]: and e3 is big...
]
;B[gf]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: e3 supersize
palapiku [-\]: go canada
palapiku [-\]: still possible that both AGA pros are canadian =)
USGO2 [-\]: we are adjourning for dinner
USGO2 [-\]: we will return in 30 minutes
vivlom [8k\]: Is it me or does white have troubles in bottom left?
DejMiPivo [6k?\]: seems ok to me
Tetriste [-\]: go Jianing!
Tetriste [-\]: for bottom left b gets e3 later
Tetriste [-\]: e3 f2 e2 g1 e4 
Tetriste [-\]: when did the break start?
vivlom [8k\]: huh, thanks tetriste
trickyness [4k?\]: vivlom you mean that white will lose D3 stones?
vivlom [8k\]: well, I just saw that if black get's freedom to move there first, he/she stands to gain a lot
vivlom [8k\]: I never assume stones are lost at this level though, haha
Tetriste [-\]: w will lose them if b plays first
vivlom [8k\]: too much experience watching the landscape change completely
vivlom [8k\]: gotcha. At e3, I see others were mentioning up there now
meuns [1d\]: where are the pros ?
Lynx [1d\]:  המשחק הזה צריך זה דובר עברית יותר.
scrwbll19 [16k\]: lynx, i would speak hebrew with you, but my ability is severely limited...
Banaan [1k\]: you can also speak about jamaican dancing, lynx is a huge fan
Lynx [1d\]: well, Banaan, ever since I read your lengthy and well written essay on it, yeah
scrwbll19 [16k\]: i am afraid that i know nothing about that
Banaan [1k\]: you can buy my essay
Lynx [1d\]: wow, pm me the details, I have to have it!
scrwbll19 [16k\]: Lynx, are you Israeli by chance?
Banaan [1k\]: but you already do :p
profan [-\]: g14 is last move?
saru411 [?\]: where are w's points?
oeillet: is this game over ?
saru411 [?\]: no
oeillet: i havent seen a move for 20 minutes
Pathfinder: ^
saru411 [?\]: it is a game being played in real life....this is just a demo of what is being played at the tourney
saru411 [?\]: USGO2 [-\]: we are adjourning for dinner USGO2 [-\]: we will return in 30 minutes
saru411 [?\]: they will be back after dinner
Pathfinder: it is surprising the transcriptor is so slow
Pathfinder: lol
MrGString [9k\]: w  kinda bad
Renju [?\]: dinner break in a 90 min game?
Renju [?\]: rofl, w is pretty strong
saru411 [?\]: this isnt a 90 min game
saru411 [?\]: it is a tourney game...the settings here arent the same as the RL game
MrGString [9k\]: so w needs e3?
Sandalphon [5d\]: w needs e3 if he is going to save the d4 stones yes
Sandalphon [5d\]: but the d4 stones aren't that big
Sandalphon [5d\]: since black already has C3
MrGString [9k\]: then why didn't b play e3?
Tetriste [-\]: shows how b has a major lead though
Sandalphon [5d\]: MrG: Like I said, e3 only saves the d4 stones, it's not as important as the fight elsewhere
Ootakamoku [-\]: saving topleft kinda more imoportant
Sandalphon [5d\]: invading top right more important, even K7 is more important
MrGString [9k\]: i see. Q13 is good?
saru411 [?\]: no
Sandalphon [5d\]: um, probably not Q13
Sandalphon [5d\]: S16 maybe
saru411 [?\]: s15 most likely
Sandalphon [5d\]: I was looking at s15, but I think you want to go in deeper
Ootakamoku [-\]: s16 looks more likely than s15
Ootakamoku [-\]: the outside holds little potential and outside can still be reduced
Sandalphon [5d\]: since white has the ponnuki
Sandalphon [5d\]: the outside is not important
Sandalphon [5d\]: what Oota said
Ootakamoku [-\]: but I think w will exchange a few more moves in topleft first
rich [9k\]: dinner? Obviously not serious players
zzhen [6k\]: serious players need to eat too :o
Sandalphon [5d\]: Hey Honinbo Shusai was famous for his ability to time dinner well
rich [9k\]: not the food they give you at the Congresses
Sandalphon [5d\]: Oh, in that case, the timing is even more important
Sandalphon [5d\]: We call it "the gastrointestinal gambit"
MrGString [9k\]: how about B's G14? Any other better moves? like securing  right top?
MrGString [9k\]: will that put left top in danger?
Tetriste [-\]: it's not about just securing, I think b wants to do it actively
Sandalphon [5d\]: um, black needs to protect himself and move out... so G14 does that
Tetriste [-\]: yeah
Sandalphon [5d\]: black can't get D18 until he does
Tetriste [-\]: can't he?
yithril [-\]: Did andy own Gansheng?
MrGString [9k\]: great help hint! thx
Tetriste [-\]: I thought d18 would be too slow
Tetriste [-\]: and andy got owned by gansheng
yithril [-\]: nice
Tetriste [-\]: he got killed
Chamonx [?\]:  are they still playing?
CBlue [?\]: will there be another andy liu game today?
ThaiThai [7k\]: So, who is in the finals now?
Sandalphon [5d\]: too slow right now, but later, black can make an eye up on top with that and H18
Tetriste [-\]: Gansheng and Andy still have another game to play tomorrow morning
Tetriste [-\]: to decide first pro
ThaiThai [7k\]: Woah
Ootakamoku [-\]: g18 f18 f13 and then just claim its dead :)
Tetriste [-\]: and the loser takes on this pair's winner
ThaiThai [7k\]: hard fight
USGO2 [-\]: The TD is talking to the two players
USGO2 [-\]: we hope to resume soon
USGO2 [-\]: "momentarily", whatever that means.
ThaiThai [7k\]: Thank you, USGO
USGO2 [-\]: You're welcome :)  The rules this year are very strict about not chatting while the game is on
USGO2 [-\]: as soon as we resume, i will return to radio silence until the conclusion
MrGString [9k\]: OK. Thanks USGO2
USGO2 [-\]: my pleasure!
Tetriste [-\]: the keyboard makes too much noise?
MrGString [9k\]: this rule is important because any one listens to my 9K ... disaster
Sandalphon [5d\]: seems like the keyboard noise is the most likely explanation
USGO2 [-\]: the rules don't need explaining; they're just The Rules.
Tetriste [-\]: I want to be a broadcaster on my free time eventually, I enjoy watching games quite a lot
USGO2 [-\]: Sandalphon, have you been casting these games?
Sandalphon [5d\]: I was, for a little, I might when this one starts up again
USGO2 [-\]: the TD has come over and told us it will be a few more minutes before we resume.
palapiku [-\]: USGO2, why do you keep moving a few moves back and then replaying the same moves
USGO2 [-\]: (that's Jeff "El Jefe" Shaevel, for those of you following along at home)
USGO2 [-\]: palapiku: checking the chat for questions i could answer, of course :)
Sandalphon [5d\]: Who is USGO2 right now btw?
USGO2 [-\]: Andrew Jackson, at your servie
USGO2 [-\]: service, even
Mef [-\]: I was hoping it was "at your server"
Sandalphon [5d\]: Oh, hey man!
USGO2 [-\]: chat rooms away -- see you at the end!
KurataSan [1d\]: Andy Liu won?
Tetriste [-\]: no
Sandalphon [5d\]: nope
Tetriste [-\]: he got killed
Sandalphon [5d\]: they're going to game 3
KurataSan [1d\]: E3?
]
;W[qq]C[KurataSan [1d\]: D2 for w
Sandalphon [5d\]: E3 smallish, black already has C3
]
;B[qr]C[KurataSan [1d\]: oh its only move 100
KurataSan [1d\]: s15 soon
Sandalphon [5d\]: S16 better than S15 I think
Sandalphon [5d\]: in this position
KurataSan [1d\]: with r9 s15 is better
Sandalphon [5d\]: The outside isn't important though
goren2 [3k\]: so who will become pro then?  BBW and one of these guys?
Sandalphon [5d\]: white has a ponnuki facing that
KurataSan [1d\]: wait
Sandalphon [5d\]: so you can go deeper
KurataSan [1d\]: is this pro exams?!!!!!!!!!!1
Sandalphon [5d\]: Kurata: yes
KurataSan [1d\]: its in America?
WhiteRawr [6d\]: w's screwed
]
;W[rd]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: r9 one too far in any case to work well
goren2 [3k\]: anyone?
KurataSan [1d\]: nice
KurataSan [1d\]: sandal
KurataSan [1d\]: u got me
Sandalphon [5d\]: S16 would normally be better
KurataSan [1d\]: and is it in America?
]
;B[qd]C[Sandalphon [5d\]: yes
Sandalphon [5d\]: in North Carolina
KurataSan [1d\]: so the rumors were true
goren2 [3k\]: so...bbw and one of these guys or is there anyone else still in contention?
KurataSan [1d\]: only 2 passes
KurataSan [1d\]: no?
]
;W[gb]C[Sandalphon [5d\]: goren: well, Andy's opponent still has a shot even if he loses
Sandalphon [5d\]: whoever wins this one has another round
goren2 [3k\]: right, but who will it be - these guys or anyone else as well?
]
;B[re]C[yoyoma [1d\]: 4 people left
WhiteRawr [6d\]: greedy
KurataSan [1d\]: 2 ppl pass?
goren2 [3k\]: got it. One of the canadians still in it?
boobgoober [3k\]: i missed it where did w just play
Ootakamoku [-\]: f13 
Sandalphon [5d\]: goren: 2 canadians I believe
vivlom [8k\]: g18
]
;W[gh]C[goren2 [3k\]: ok thanks sandal
]
;B[hf]C[Tetriste [-\]: yup Andy is against a canadian
Ootakamoku [-\]: s16 looks so wrong tho, if going to tenuki
Ootakamoku [-\]: the s16 r16 exchange only helps b
Sandalphon [5d\]: If white kills here though... all is good :)
Ootakamoku [-\]: sure, but then its like b got tricked
]
;W[if]C[boobgoober [3k\]: b will live
Lynx [1d\]: yes, but w will not kill here unless he has a chainsaw
goren2 [3k\]: eyespace kinda low...
Ootakamoku [-\]: actually, kill looks likely
Ootakamoku [-\]: b shape only contains 1 eye
]
;B[ig]C[Tetriste [-\]: I think kill is unlikely because of e10 and c12 weaknesses
goren2 [3k\]: g15?
ThaiThai [7k\]: well, black can run away :)
Sandalphon [5d\]: e10 not a big weakness though
ThaiThai [7k\]: that is what black is doing right now
]
;W[hg]
;B[ie]C[Tetriste [-\]: resign soon?
Ilidas [5d\]: who won the first game?
Tetriste [-\]: Jianing
Ilidas [5d\]: thx
]
;W[jf]
;B[hd]C[plath [2d\]: Oh no, I like Eric Lui :(
Tetriste [-\]: I like him better when he'll lose this one
plath [2d\]: He was once kind enough to show me some variations on what he considered a hellish joseki
Tetriste [-\]: j16 g15 k16 
ThaiThai [7k\]: what are their names on kgs?
ThaiThai [7k\]: except for Andy Liu
]
;W[fb]
;B[ed]C[goren2 [3k\]: the highest rated player I ever saw or talked to was myself
plath [2d\]: I don't know if Eric comes here anymore, but he used to be ThePianist
Arhiman [3d\]: poor you goren
Tetriste [-\]: hellish is the 3-6 with 5-3 right?
WhiteRawr [6d\]: lol @tetriste, only quebekers use this
]
;W[dc]
;B[ic]C[Tetriste [-\]: lol ok
plath [2d\]: He said it was second to the taisha. It was high approach to a 3-4, followed by two space high pincer and a small keima jump
Tetriste [-\]: oh that
Sandalphon [5d\]: white is okay if he can get out of here with sente
]
;W[im]
;B[hm]C[Tetriste [-\]: b can play safe and just e3, he'd be far ahead in points
]
;W[il]
;B[hl]C[palapiku [-\]: i suspect most of these kids are chinese enough that they play on chinese servers, not KGS
WhiteRawr [6d\]: w lost terribly
Lynx [1d\]: w should resign
WhiteRawr [6d\]: i wonder why he's not giving up
]
;W[hk]
;B[je]
;W[kf]C[Lynx [1d\]: for the same reason that Dumbledore kept on hiring dangerous and unsafe teachers...
palapiku [-\]: if Jianing wins, we're guaranteed at least one canadian pro :)
Tetriste [-\]: shhhhht we can trust the Rogue
Tetriste [-\]: Dumbledore says so
]
;B[jn]
;W[qj]
;B[pk]C[vivlom [8k\]: Don't forget Le Chenshuo. Also in Canada.
Rochedale [7k\]: Stopped watching this game an hour ago, came back, and e3 still hasn't been played.  I really must have no concept of what is big.
vivlom [8k\]: *Li
Tetriste [-\]: e3 is a gote kind of thing
Lynx [1d\]: b isn't playing e3 because he feels bad for W
Malingo [4d\]: e3 gote points
Lynx [1d\]: only logical explanation ^_6
]
;W[er]C[Rochedale [7k\]: Hey!
rsun [4d\]: I thought this was group B??
]
;B[hb]C[Tetriste [-\]: it is
rsun [4d\]: ok
Tetriste [-\]: why did you think otherwise for a moment?
rsun [4d\]: it's 4A in the title
farquaad [5k\]: w is waiting for b's mistakes
]
;W[ke]C[Tetriste [-\]: that's because group A don't have a ''4''
]
;B[gc]C[Tetriste [-\]: or maybe not
Tetriste [-\]: I dunno
Tetriste [-\]: maybe it's just a mistake
]
;W[rf]C[pilotpirx [2d\]: l7
]
;B[rc]C[Tetriste [-\]: yeah I think it's supposed to be 6A
Tetriste [-\]: according to the web
]
;W[kl]C[sssddd: web of lies
]
;B[ph]C[sssddd: q14 for sure
pilotpirx [2d\]: r15
palapiku [-\]: vivlom, li chenshuo is a chinese pro, not american
pilotpirx [2d\]: and p14
sssddd: bet?
]
;W[qh]C[vivlom [8k\]: but lives in Canada
palapiku [-\]: so what
vivlom [8k\]: British Columbia
palapiku [-\]: lots of pros live in america
palapiku [-\]: but they're not american pros
sssddd: q14 = r12
vivlom [8k\]: is she not a citizen?
palapiku [-\]: it's not about citizenship
Tetriste [-\]: Redmond is an american pro (certified in Japan I think)
palapiku [-\]: it's about who certifies you as a pro
]
;B[pi]C[palapiku [-\]: redmond is certified by japan
palapiku [-\]: cathy li is certified by china
vivlom [8k\]: If that were the argument, there would be no Canadian pros in the AGA as they were suggesting
palapiku [-\]: this tournament is for being certified a pro by AGA
Tetriste [-\]: asian name doesn't mean asian born
sssddd: ganjang wins tomorrow
oonicks [?\]: maybe this is good, w sort of could play anywhere still. 
Tetriste [-\]: maybe just asian parents
]
;W[pg]C[palapiku [-\]: vivlom, that's valid and i'm honestly unsure of the nature of AGA/CGA cooperation here
farquaad [5k\]: asian first name usually means asian born
ThaiThai [7k\]: actually, how many non-asian pros in the world there exist, except for Redmond?
vivlom [8k\]: no clue. Just thought I'd contribute
rsun [4d\]: quite a few
palapiku [-\]: quite a few pros, yeah
]
;B[og]C[farquaad [5k\]: quite a few in EU
Tetriste [-\]: CGA top players get AGA points for their games is pretty much all
Fukurokuji [1k\]: the improtant thing is not having a citizenship of any country..the important thing is pros are mostly asian origin..
Malingo [4d\]: only 4 in europe
palapiku [-\]: and vice-versa tetriste
farquaad [5k\]: that's a lot!
ThaiThai [7k\]: Dinerchtein, Shikshina, and who else, Malingo?
palapiku [-\]: i think
Tetriste [-\]: oh yeah, recently any AGA player can join CGA league
rsun [4d\]: catalin
palapiku [-\]: catalin taranu
palapiku [-\]: shikshin
Malingo [4d\]: shikshin not pro but there is a girl from hungary
rsun [4d\]: the problem is there will be only 1 game in the 1st aga pro match
Tetriste [-\]: I'll call him a canadian pro w/e the others say
farquaad [5k\]: seriously, any real chance that w could win this game?
ThaiThai [7k\]: ShikshinA is, his sister
Lynx [1d\]: what happens after these players become pro?
palapiku [-\]: oh right he is not pro sorry
Lynx [1d\]: Does Nike sponsor them?
rsun [4d\]: they compete annually in the aga pro match
ThaiThai [7k\]: Svetlana Shikshina and the other guy Shikshin
Tetriste [-\]: they can't play in amateur tournaments, but can enter pro tournaments is the main thing
farquaad [5k\]: nice
sssddd: usgo bored
Fukurokuji [1k\]: most of the western player are promoted pros not qualified to the real pro exams
goren2 [3k\]: that will be kinda of a crappy first tournament by the AGA...with 2 players...
farquaad [5k\]: cocktail break
Malingo [4d\]: wimmer an 
palapiku [-\]: it seems that for all intents and purposes canada is part of usa as far as go is concerned
Tetriste [-\]: (they can play in korean pro events for instance)
rsun [4d\]: the winner is crowned Meijin
Danae [-\]: koszegi, diana koszegi
Malingo [4d\]: and hans pietch also round eye but dead
Tetriste [-\]: lol there won't be a pro tournament in AGA untill there's more pro I think
ThaiThai [7k\]: haha
ThaiThai [7k\]: two pro tournament
LeeYoungil [3k\]: is the game over?
sssddd: yeah
Danae [-\]: kerwin vs feng yun
Tetriste [-\]: it is, but w didn't resign yet
rsun [4d\]: they also need to pledge that go shall be their only occupation
ThaiThai [7k\]: well, probably they will invite guys from euripe
Tetriste [-\]: or maybe w escaped IRL
palapiku [-\]: oh right, kerwin
plath [2d\]: Tetriste =D
palapiku [-\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?WesternGoProfessionals
palapiku [-\]: there you go
palapiku [-\]: haha it lists joanne missingham
rsun [4d\]: this game is going out of control
palapiku [-\]: she's only sort of western
]
;W[qi]C[farquaad [5k\]: how did they get it?  Through competition?
vivlom [8k\]: I wish I had another life to dedicate to go
palapiku [-\]: yes, the usual way
Fukurokuji [1k\]: promoted..
ThaiThai [7k\]: Dinerchtein, Shikshina - studied in Korea
palapiku [-\]: tetriste, and they could always join tournaments
Tetriste [-\]: probably Andy could get it that way too, but why not have our own way over here
Tetriste [-\]: yeah but you don't need to be a CGA member to be in a tournament
palapiku [-\]: so i think it's fair to call jianing a canadian pro if he gets to be a pro :)
palapiku [-\]: you don't?? they lied to me =)
palapiku [-\]: pretty sure you need it for the canadian open
]
;B[nk]
;W[qe]
;B[sd]C[goren2 [3k\]: Pietsch is one unlucky guy.  basically the only western pro to mean anything except for redmond, and he gets shot...
Danae [-\]: jia jia!
]
;W[of]C[Malingo [4d\]: more south than west
]
;B[ng]C[palapiku [-\]: janice kim is the best western pro
palapiku [-\]: she wrote great books
palapiku [-\]: for beginners
]
;W[nf]C[farquaad [5k\]: but she is weak
]
;B[ml]C[jodageezer [5k\]: She is a pretty good pro poker player too.
farquaad [5k\]: in terms of o power
palapiku [-\]: korean 3p maybe not so weak
matsutoya [13k\]: who cares
farquaad [5k\]: *go power
]
;AW[rq]AB[rr]C[matsutoya [13k\]: a 5 pro weak?!
Danae [-\]: there is no such thing as a "weak" pro
matsutoya [13k\]: even a 3 pro?!
Tetriste [-\]: Alexander isn't that strong though and he's a korean pro
]
;W[rk]
;B[rl]
;W[mk]C[farquaad [5k\]: depends on how they got their pro titles
rsun [4d\]: he beat O Rissei before
matsutoya [13k\]: and he is not near a good a teacher
palapiku [-\]: it's fashionable to hate on breakfast but come on, he's strong enough
Malingo [4d\]: some teaching pros can be weak compared to top amateur
]
;B[rj]C[matsutoya [13k\]: yes !
palapiku [-\]: though his apparent obsession with hamete is silly
farquaad [5k\]: korean buduk sometimes just award pro certificates to someone
jozles [1d\]: but they are often good as teachers
ThaiThai [7k\]: some so called underground players are stronger
goren2 [3k\]: there is a black market for go players?
]
;W[mg]C[Danae [-\]: been reading First Kyu?
jozles [1d\]: in europa yes
farquaad [5k\]: I can be a pretty good go teacher even if I am 5k
]
;B[ml]C[matsutoya [13k\]: no, they just don't have their life together, or they have other workk they do
palapiku [-\]: teach me farquaad
ThaiThai [7k\]: Danae, no L) what is it?
farquaad [5k\]: usually I teach a 13-29k
palapiku [-\]: oh :(
Danae [-\]: a short novel
]
;W[rp]C[palapiku [-\]: i'm 30k, so out of your range
goren2 [3k\]: I am an mazing teacher.  My lesson:  I suck, find another teacher
]
;B[qo]C[farquaad [5k\]: yep
]
;W[mk]C[vivlom [8k\]: what does a pro stipend look like in the AGA, I wonder.
tenukisuji [2k?\]: $!
tenukisuji [2k?\]: $1*
ThaiThai [7k\]: Danae, give a name of the author
]
;B[pj]C[palapiku [-\]: vivlom, are you in vancouver
vivlom [8k\]: yup
palapiku [-\]: cool we should play
vivlom [8k\]: gladly
palapiku [-\]: ^^
]
;W[pf]
;B[ml]C[fdfdf: s5
vivlom [8k\]: message me after
rsun [4d\]: with only 2 people in the labor union I think the pros can decide their own stipend
WhiteRawr [6d\]: whenever someone writes gladly, i can't help but hear it like the glaaaaaadly of the infested terran in broodwar ;-)
vivlom [8k\]: haha
goren2 [3k\]: old school, brood war
vivlom [8k\]: I hear yorokonde
]
;W[ro]C[vivlom [8k\]: some of the little japanese I know =P
]
;B[rn]C[goren2 [3k\]: played it in '99 computer class.  passed with 51%, buddy failed with 12%.  
Fukurokuji [1k\]: what does that mean?
]
;W[mk]
;B[gk]C[Danae [-\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?FirstKyuTheNovel
ThaiThai [7k\]: Danae, thank you :)
Danae [-\]: welcome
]
;W[hj]
;B[ml]C[boobgoober [3k\]: q1
palapiku [-\]: is it a good book
tenukisuji [2k?\]: np
YangXu [4d\]: is andy and gansheng definately going to become pro?
fdfdf: t2
Tetriste [-\]: no
tenukisuji [2k?\]: no
tenukisuji [2k?\]: there'd be no point to this game if that was the case
tenukisuji [2k?\]: >.>
palapiku [-\]: haha
Tetriste [-\]: one of them will need to win against the winner of this pair
]
;W[cp]
;B[ap]
;W[mk]C[fdfdf: g10
palapiku [-\]: ideally, jianing wins this match, gansheng wins his match, then jianing wins against andy
Danae [-\]: this game is to get to the match for 2nd
palapiku [-\]: not gonna happen though
fdfdf: ganjang wins
goren2 [3k\]: so aga would have no pros, only canada?
Danae [-\]: i came here expecting to see Liu vs Shi
palapiku [-\]: yes :)
goren2 [3k\]: awesome
palapiku [-\]: danae, that's tomorrow morning
rsun [4d\]: liu-shi already over
Danae [-\]: over? their 2nd?
]
;B[ej]C[rsun [4d\]: 1-1
WhiteRawr [6d\]: strong
]
;W[fj]
;B[ml]C[Danae [-\]: thank  you rsun
Nosabe [-\]: game is still here, labelled " USGO1 "
]
;W[sn]C[goren2 [3k\]: does b still have k8 as a local threat?
grumpyjoe [-\]: http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-system
]
;B[ps]C[Malingo [4d\]: t2 
]
;W[mk]C[WhiteRawr [6d\]: t6 soo bad
plath [2d\]: I don't think so, goren. k8 n9 k7 k9 and b gains almost nothing
]
;B[ri]C[goren2 [3k\]: tks.  de11 i guess now?
]
;W[rh]
;B[ml]
;W[rm]
;B[qn]
;W[mk]
;B[mc]C[goren2 [3k\]: or f13?
goren2 [3k\]: (g13)
]
;W[lb]
;B[ml]C[Danae [-\]: ah, i see, my confusion over that start time, thank you :)
]
;W[sr]
;B[rs]
;W[mk]
;B[mh]
;W[mf]
;B[ml]
;W[ao]
;B[an]
;W[mk]C[GreedKills [2k\]: result of other game?
]
;B[db]
;W[cb]
;B[ml]C[fdfdf: tie
Tetriste [-\]: andy got killed
GreedKills [2k\]: ^ troll
]
;W[ob]C[Tetriste [-\]: see for yourself :P
Tetriste [-\]: USGO1
GreedKills [2k\]: :)
GreedKills [2k\]: k
fdfdf: this is madness
]
;B[nb]
;W[mk]C[fdfdf: f2
]
;B[gg]
;W[hh]
;B[ml]C[fdfdf: p16
]
;W[oc]
;B[od]
;W[mk]C[fdfdf: h1
]
;B[lh]
;W[mi]
;B[ni]C[fdfdf: o10
]
;W[nj]C[fdfdf: f19
Ilidas [5d\]: l12 
fdfdf: no
]
;B[os]
;W[ns]
;B[nr]C[fdfdf: o2
]
;W[ms]C[fdfdf: n1
fdfdf: m1
]
;B[kh]C[Lyagami [3d\]: w lost
fdfdf: b l9 coming
]
;W[ko]
;B[kn]C[Tetriste [-\]: not sure why b didnt go there first
Tetriste [-\]: quite big forcing moves around there
fdfdf: o16
]
;W[cr]C[fdfdf: m5
Tetriste [-\]: this is so small
goren2 [3k\]: e11
Tetriste [-\]: n2 
plath [2d\]: Tetriste, even with w s2 followup?
fdfdf: m5 or i quit go
plath [2d\]: *a2
]
;B[ih]C[Tetriste [-\]: I'd tenuki three times with a2
Ilidas [5d\]: then feel free to quit fdfdf :)
tenukisuji [2k?\]: lol
Tetriste [-\]: lol
fdfdf: i am already 9p no more to improve
mordredGO [9k\]: mi,m2 and l4^^^
fdfdf: ;p
Tetriste [-\]: but seriously, c2 tenuki a2 tenuki a3 tenuki
goren2 [3k\]: w b2, b a2 right?
USGO2 [-\]: b wins by resignation
ThaiThai [7k\]: finally
USGO2 [-\]: ping
Sandalphon [5d\]: who won game 1?
Ilidas [5d\]: thx USGO2
USGO2 [-\]: jianing again
ThaiThai [7k\]: thank you, USGO
USGO2 [-\]: Jianing Gan wins the set 2-0
Sandalphon [5d\]: :) well, so one of the two pros will be canadian
ec1 [?\]: thanks USGO2
Tetriste [-\]: We have a canadian pro Yay!!!
goren2 [3k\]: question - if w b2, b would a2 right?
Ilidas [5d\]: sure
palapiku [-\]: yay :)
goren2 [3k\]: ok tks
ec1 [?\]: great for Canada
Malingo [4d\]: so w will play a2 not b2
goren2 [3k\]: hehe, I fly to canada in 6 hours
Sandalphon [5d\]: still possible that both pros will be canadian
Sandalphon [5d\]: but unlikely
Tetriste [-\]: wishful thinking, but andy can still lose his next 4 games
USGO2 [-\]: dang, i'm laggy :(
USGO2 [-\]: sorry to mess up the ko, connection flaked out and i missed a threat frantically reconnecting
Tetriste [-\]: 3*
gogol1er [1k?\]: g19 or d19 big
pikbube [5k\]: again why did white resign? is p14 dead?
farquaad [5k\]: could be two canadians
oonicks [?\]: 15 plus 
oonicks [?\]: nice crazy ko fight:)
chouka [4d\]: sorry is there an online video?
]
;W[]C[Tetriste [-\]: question is, why didn't w resign earlier
Demon [3d\]: because then he'd be out of the tournament earlier.  he didn't want to give up on it even if he already lost
Tetriste [-\]: I guess you're right
Demon [3d\]: except it's still 3/5, right?
])
