(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[5400]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
GN[1st AGA-TYGEM Pro Finals - 4B]PW[Jing Yang]PB[Yuan Zhou]WR[7d]BR[7d]DT[2012-07-31]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Richard Crandall]C[USGO3 [-\]: Game begins at 4:00 pm EDT
]RE[W+20.50]
;B[dp]
;W[pp]
;B[dd]
;W[pd]C[Tsuijin [2d\]: isn't yuan zhou's name spelled wrong?
]
;B[nc]
;W[qf]
;B[kc]
;W[cf]
;B[ch]
;W[cc]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: yaun doesn't sound like a chinese syllable, no
]
;B[cd]
;W[dc]
;B[ed]
;W[bd]
;B[be]
;W[bc]
;B[ce]
;W[fc]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: jing yang is canadian, yes?
]
;B[nq]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: i had a very short game against him at KPMC last year
Vizsla [3d\]: is there anyone in this series whos not of asian ancestry?
]
;W[qn]C[iTengen [2k\]: crushed him did ye?
iTengen [2k\]: nice one
]
;B[jp]
;W[cn]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: what counts as asian ancestry
]
;B[bo]C[iTengen [2k\]: vizsla: careful you don't fall foul of some racism rule or other
Vizsla [3d\]: i hope your joking..
iTengen [2k\]: he isn't
iTengen [2k\]: white men can't jump OR play go
Warfreak2 [4d\]: it's true, we have no legs
Warfreak2 [4d\]: or go muscles
DariusA [3d\]: so who won the previous game USGO3 ?!
iTengen [2k\]: that film taught me a lot about women
iTengen [2k\]: it's a classic alright
GoNuggetGo: Mulan?
DariusA [3d\]: jing yang vs calvin sun   who won ???
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i believe there is one person in the tournament who is not ethnically asian, if it's important
blurb1: calvin won 
DariusA [3d\]: oh  and can i see the sgf  somewhere ?
iTengen [2k\]: > ethically asian
blurb1: at aga room tygem
iTengen [2k\]: i'm wearing hilarity goggles today
DariusA [3d\]: oh i will take a look  thx
Zha0Pei [3d\]: Warfreak, the arbiter?
iTengen [2k\]: ;)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i make things near me invisible
Warfreak2 [4d\]: entaro adun
]
;W[cj]C[UFO [-\]: laudate
]
;B[cl]C[ronm [1k\]: entaro warfreak
UFO [-\]: ah thats mean of zhou
Warfreak2 [4d\]: for aiur
]
;W[bf]C[iTengen [2k\]: when they speak magic spells, who listens and effects?
iTengen [2k\]: i have not seen an adequate deconstruction of wizardry
iTengen [2k\]: i think there's room for one
]
;B[af]
;W[ag]
;B[ae]
;W[dl]
;B[cm]C[Dorkan [6k?\]: nice I was expdcting c7 I think its so interesting
nightrow: what's the time limit on those games ?
]
;W[df]
;B[bg]
;W[dh]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: a13 at b12 ?
Uberdude [4d?\]: i tohught that was usually better
Uberdude [4d?\]: once b connects w got nothing
]
;B[fd]
;W[gc]
;B[di]
;W[ci]
;B[bi]
;W[eh]
;B[dj]
;W[bj]C[gru [2k\]: b10
colas [8k\]: b10 works?
]
;B[ah]
;W[dk]
;B[ej]
;W[ck]C[benwa [4k\]: c9... great shape
]
;B[fi]
;W[fh]
;B[gd]
;W[dm]
;B[bn]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: so put in b8 now for half eye as c6 sac later?
]
;W[cg]
;B[bh]
;W[hh]
;B[gi]
;W[gh]
;B[hd]C[osvaldo [1d\]: does something like h9 work?
Uberdude [4d?\]: would be hard
Uberdude [4d?\]: h9 f8 then w g8 looks about only thing that might work
]
;W[hk]C[osvaldo [1d\]: it seems white has no choice, if he stays separated game will be extremely hard
nightrow: was more looking for g9 but it came, good thinking
nujabes [5k\]: .
]
;B[gk]C[osvaldo [1d\]: h8? and then if f7, f8?
Nathan [5k\]: anyoen know if there is commentary of this game on tygem
kcharris12 [2d\]: seems like w lost
Jayy [-\]: Doesn't seem to be commentary on tygem
kcharris12 [2d\]: h8 f7 h11
]
;W[gl]
;B[hj]
;W[ij]C[kcharris12 [2d\]: looks like w making loss bigger
Tsuijin [2d\]: this game won't get commentary
Tsuijin [2d\]: usually first board
kcharris12 [2d\]: weird this position almost looks better for w
osvaldo [1d\]: whats goin on? can white catch black in a geta if black plays j9,h8,j11, etc?
Jayy [-\]: seems going that way is b's only option
]
;B[fl]C[nightrow: b planning to defend and use h8 as a way out ?
Nathan [5k\]: f9?
USGO3 [-\]: Adjournment for dinner will begin in 5-10 minutes
USGO3 [-\]: Dinner break is 1/2 hour
bronhomme: do they seal a move?
kyyni [3k\]: short time for dinner
osvaldo [1d\]: i guess its so they dont have too much extra time to study the position, it is indeed a huge advantage
bronhomme: but maybe they get nervous and overthink during dinner
bronhomme: like in hikaru no go :D
kyyni [3k\]: or drunk
bronhomme: get drunk?
lombardi: f9
Hellhuman [1k\]: is game one still running?
Hellhuman [1k\]: ah
Hellhuman [1k\]: break
rogeko [3k\]: g7?
zqqcheck [5d\]: white f9, black f10
USGO3 [-\]: Getting ready to resume post dinner.
MacGyver [2d?\]: how long has it been since they started the lunch break?
MacGyver [2d?\]: sh ok
USGO3 [-\]: 1/2 hour
lombardi: but if B f10 w J8??
zqqcheck [5d\]: b e9
zqqcheck [5d\]: b can alive
N9DP [11k\]: The game review-teaching videos on EuroGoTV are excellent!
lombardi: be9 w f7??
bronhomme: long dinner...
zqqcheck [5d\]: b h11 a e7
zqqcheck [5d\]: b h11 and e7
goren2 [3k\]: if w f9, will b f10 and ko?
lombardi: I see
zqqcheck [5d\]: yes
zqqcheck [5d\]: maybe white will play h8
]
;W[fk]C[goren2 [3k\]: tks
goren2 [3k\]: b should win ko no?
goren2 [3k\]: e17 push, and lots of corner threats?
zqqcheck [5d\]: yes, but white can play
]
;B[fj]
;W[gj]
;B[ec]
;W[eb]
;B[gk]
;W[co]C[lombardi: center  seems bigger
goren2 [3k\]: c4
goren2 [3k\]: b still a bunch of threats
]
;B[cp]
;W[gj]C[goren2 [3k\]: d18?
]
;B[fb]C[MicMac [2d\]: ignore?
goren2 [3k\]: ignore?  seems really high price to pay for a few stones in center
MicMac [2d\]: will be a huge influence
goren2 [3k\]: but b will still take either r17 or r3.  
lombardi: seriously center seems bigger and take sente
goren2 [3k\]: then again, if b wins ko then d7 under attack, so white will lose time saving those stones... I like b a lot here
geuhjeh: os this even Ko? why not just connect at h8
]
;W[gb]
;B[gk]C[geuhjeh: hm I see black can live after h8
geuhjeh: o0
]
;W[bl]C[goren2 [3k\]: free life for b...
MicMac [2d\]: white perhaps want sente
]
;B[ek]
;W[bm]C[goren2 [3k\]: j9?
]
;B[ik]
;W[ii]
;B[hl]
;W[ic]C[goren2 [3k\]: j16
Divine [7d\]: who won teh game between yang jing and calvin?
irrcava [4k\]: i dont see any good move for b here
MicMac [2d\]: k15?
Jayy [-\]: I don'
]
;B[je]C[Jayy [-\]: t think jing and calvin played
osvaldo [1d\]: i think jing won
osvaldo [1d\]: that would explain y hes playing zhou according to the table on www.usgo.org/aga-professional-system
goren2 [3k\]: p2 or p18.  
]
;W[jc]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: i tihnk fight is urgent
Uberdude [4d?\]: a move around l13 area both help w group and hurt b
]
;B[kf]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: what a shape
]
;W[jk]
;B[jl]
;W[kk]
;B[ki]
;W[kj]C[goren2 [3k\]: w looks so lost to me
]
;B[li]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: k17 dubious?
Uberdude [4d?\]: better to play centre?
]
;W[kl]C[parameterX: yeah pretty dudeious
RobertT [-\]: game to decide who the 10th player to be knocked out of the tournament will be
goren2 [3k\]: r12
]
;B[pg]
;W[qg]
;B[ph]
;W[kd]C[goren2 [3k\]: q18
]
;B[jd]
;W[ld]
;B[lc]
;W[md]C[colas [8k\]: o16 
colas [8k\]: ^^
]
;B[nd]
;W[mc]C[Javaness [3d\]: white awesome
DariusA [3d\]: J16???
]
;B[mb]
;W[nb]C[ronm [1k\]: heh
DariusA [3d\]: oh i knew USGO3 was trolling
Laman [1d\]: no undos
Uberdude [4d?\]: white just making b l18 sente
]
;B[ob]
;W[lb]
;B[na]
;W[kb]C[pytta [2k\]: USGO is drunk
DariusA [3d\]: w is collapsing
RobertT [-\]: 3rd times the charm
]
;B[qc]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: advertising tygem perhaps
]
;W[pc]
;B[pb]
;W[qd]
;B[rc]
;W[qi]C[grumpyjoe [-\]: where is this being held usgo?
grumpyjoe [-\]: AGA headquarters?
profan [-\]: 7d aga == 7d egf?
]
;B[oj]C[DariusA [3d\]: profan  troll mode on ?
Malingo [4d\]: 7d aga = 5-6 dan egf
RobertT [-\]: 7d aga is a wide range
Uberdude [4d?\]: AGA are expert trolls
Uberdude [4d?\]: making all this boring rating capped at 7 convo
]
;W[jm]C[RobertT [-\]: 7d is the max so 7.0-10.0 aga rating all = aga 7d
profan [-\]: it was rethoric question? or do i have to answer? ^^
]
;B[qj]
;W[ri]C[RobertT [-\]: so aga 7d = egf 5d-9p
DariusA [3d\]: yea "9p" of course..
]
;B[il]C[Sungod [1d?\]: lol
]
;W[bq]
;B[bp]
;W[eq]C[RobertT [-\]: yes 9p
]
;B[dr]C[ronm [1k\]: uber: in the cga it's even better, capped at 6 unless you win a canadian open....or get it randomly for some other reason, so everytime you see a 7d you're unsure about you get mega speculation. expert trolls
]
;W[gm]
;B[km]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: in egf you can enter a tournament as a 7d even if you are only 4 dan
]
;W[im]C[profan [-\]: we encourage optimism ^^
Sungod [1d?\]: depends some tournaments you go to start at 4d if you don't have official rating yet
]
;B[hm]
;W[hn]
;B[hk]C[RobertT [-\]: aga you can do that also, its called self promoting. its up to the tournament directors discretion to allow it or not. 
Uberdude [4d?\]: that's how ex top player on british rating list got there =)
]
;W[in]C[RobertT [-\]: its used to make your rank go up faster if you havent played a tournament in a while or if the ranking is lagging behind your strength
Sungod [1d?\]: ah
profan [-\]: all that jazz because of innocent question? O.o
grumpyjoe [-\]: l7 cut is tenacity
RobertT [-\]: dont act all innocent now. you knew what you where doing.
Uberdude [4d?\]: i would have said g7 is tenacity
Tsuijin [2d\]: long game
]
;B[fm]C[DariusA [3d\]: w is making a suicide imho
profan [-\]: m6 
Babur [1d\]: sacrifice*
DariusA [3d\]: this L7 stone seperate 2 weak groups
Uberdude [4d?\]: i tihnk w will connect as he wants to make black play e8
profan [-\]: l7 is a target for w 
mateogo [4k\]: m4
Fukurokuji [1k\]: h14 is the move for w that can make 2 eyes 
gnarf [1k\]: it is a target that is eager to backfire :P
grumpyjoe [-\]: 1 target for white, 2 for black
Uberdude [4d?\]: h14 doesn't make 2 eyes
profan [-\]: when i troll people think im serious, when im serious people think i troll O.o
Uberdude [4d?\]: it makes 1.5 eyes
Anova [2k\]: n14 
]
;W[ip]C[profan [-\]: ko for konnection
DariusA [3d\]: L6
arunasr [?\]: What happened in the other USGO game??
]
;B[lm]C[gnarf [1k\]: andy won
profan [-\]: j4 is making l7 a large capture ^^
]
;W[hf]
;B[he]C[profan [-\]: h15 or j16?
Uberdude [4d?\]: h15 of course
Uberdude [4d?\]: j16 liberty is useless
Uberdude [4d?\]: h15 liberty off w is useful
DariusA [3d\]: do you often ask questions after the answers are given ? :p
profan [-\]: but now a ko threat is on the run
]
;W[mj]C[ronm [1k\]: don't play bad moves to avoid making ko threats
profan [-\]: w is thinking l7 yum yum ^^
]
;B[lj]
;W[ml]C[DariusA [3d\]: N9
profan [-\]: j3 
DariusA [3d\]: O6
]
;B[mk]
;W[nk]C[DariusA [3d\]: oh i was right
Uberdude [4d?\]: n9 might not be such a great idea to lose m8 liberty
]
;B[lk]
;W[ll]
;B[ko]
;W[jq]C[DariusA [3d\]: L3 is the next move
]
;B[kq]C[DariusA [3d\]: omg i'm too strong
Babur [1d\]: wow
ronm [1k\]: w0w
profan [-\]: j3 looks really urgent to me well... black fighter!
Babur [1d\]: sick
]
;W[iq]C[profan [-\]: q2?
DariusA [3d\]: R3  all in
DariusA [3d\]: lol
colas [8k\]: g4 
]
;B[po]C[DariusA [3d\]: wow
Insidius [1d?\]: haha wow
DariusA [3d\]: didn't expect that
]
;W[oo]C[profan [-\]: nice fight
Babur [1d\]: i did
DariusA [3d\]: P4 is the next move
Babur [1d\]: no
iR2Noob [8k\]: cool u prophet
]
;B[on]C[Babur [1d\]: R4 is the next move
profan [-\]: p4 is for kyu ^^
profan [-\]: 7d more creative ^^
Babur [1d\]: mmmh
DariusA [3d\]: P4 takes the corner   a powerful kyu move :p
ronm [1k\]: o6 creative enough
iR2Noob [8k\]: lol profan..
colas [8k\]: he's aiming at o8 or n7 ?
grumpyjoe [-\]: maybe still wants to try to finish off dragon
]
;W[pn]C[profan [-\]: p7 ??
]
;B[no]
;W[qo]C[colas [8k\]: yep
Hollumber [6k?\]: we gone have dragon for dinner :D
Babur [1d\]: Q3
DariusA [3d\]: if b doesn't capture something now   giving this ponuki will be too much
profan [-\]: nah
colas [8k\]: o7 
Hollumber [6k?\]: p7
Hollumber [6k?\]: ooh, didn't see o7, i like that
Hollumber [6k?\]: no i don't, nvm
iR2Noob [8k\]: lol.
ronm [1k\]: n7 an option?
iR2Noob [8k\]: lol x2
profan [-\]: they focus on killing r16 
ronm [1k\]: oh wait it's b turn
Hollumber [6k?\]: would q10 be sente?
Hollumber [6k?\]: against the r16 group?
Uberdude [4d?\]: f14 is a ko life in my first reading
Babur [1d\]: a ponnuki is nothing
DariusA [3d\]: N7 might be playable
]
;B[nl]C[ronm [1k\]: a mere 40 pts
]
;W[mm]C[DariusA [3d\]: not but O7 sorry
profan [-\]: lol i was typing p8
Uberdude [4d?\]: cut?
Uberdude [4d?\]: i expected p7
Babur [1d\]: N6
grumpyjoe [-\]: b is a gambler
Firzen [3d\]: p7 seems weird, since black easily gets n7 in sente then
DariusA [3d\]: i don't like the cut
]
;B[lo]C[DariusA [3d\]: i think O7 was working for b
iR2Noob [8k\]: lol im a gambler. b is a good player
]
;W[om]C[DariusA [3d\]: w is connected now..
Babur [1d\]: not yet
grumpyjoe [-\]: i think he could make large territory on the bottom
]
;B[kr]
;W[er]C[colas [8k\]: b toasted now
Hollumber [6k?\]: darn, almost resign time?
DariusA [3d\]: w's invasion worked and he survived everywhere   a big success
profan [-\]: tenuki
Hollumber [6k?\]: can't tenuki, i don't think?
Hollumber [6k?\]: c2 harshe
Firzen [3d\]: tenuki c2
]
;B[ql]C[iR2Noob [8k\]: lol
Hollumber [6k?\]: ok, screw logic
maher [2k\]: well, you can always tenuki. sometimes it's just not a good idea.
DariusA [3d\]: O6
Hollumber [6k?\]: oh, i guess it's sente
Firzen [3d\]: does this even threaten to cut?
ronm [1k\]: i don't see how....
]
;W[pi]C[profan [-\]: s10 kills r10)
bert [3d\]: is not g6 like double sente?
Hollumber [6k?\]: o6 o7 q7 cut
ronm [1k\]: yeah i think so bert
Firzen [3d\]: might not be sente for black
]
;B[ol]C[Hollumber [6k?\]: white will probably responsd to g6
DariusA [3d\]: "like a g6  like a g6"
profan [-\]: g6 makes life on d4?
]
;W[nn]C[Hollumber [6k?\]: what? 
ronm [1k\]: q2 now maybe?
DariusA [3d\]: R14 is not alive
DariusA [3d\]: yet
]
;B[re]C[profan [-\]: yes ^^
ronm [1k\]: seems there are a few things in that category
profan [-\]: i told you years ago ^^
]
;W[pj]C[DariusA [3d\]: next move is Q9
iR2Noob [8k\]: i love how profan being the prophet here.
]
;B[pk]C[DariusA [3d\]: omg i'm too strong 
ronm [1k\]: such a strong player darius
]
;W[oi]C[DariusA [3d\]: thx
maher [2k\]: you don't have to be a prophet to reade the next move....
profan [-\]: im not prophet just odds
RobertT [-\]: o11 
Babur [1d\]: Q2
iR2Noob [8k\]: dude that was sarcasm
]
;B[ni]C[RobertT [-\]: wow I'm so good
Uberdude [4d?\]: well q5 ended up a fakesuji
ronm [1k\]: o12
DariusA [3d\]: omg robert  u r too strong :o
]
;W[nh]C[RobertT [-\]: give ronm his pro certificate now
ronm [1k\]: ffffffffff just give me the pro license
Babur [1d\]: N12
]
;B[mh]
;W[ng]C[maher [2k\]: omg
maher [2k\]: super strong man
ronm [1k\]: who knew kgs ranking was so strong
Insidius [1d?\]: p14?
RobertT [-\]: wooo series of forcing moves! woot
DariusA [3d\]: P14
Babur [1d\]: P14 sucks
iR2Noob [8k\]: not sure if we are just that good or the game is just that simple.
DariusA [3d\]: let's see Babur
ronm [1k\]: it's true, go is a very simple game
grumpyjoe [-\]: are they short on time usgo?
Babur [1d\]: i bet on Q2
RobertT [-\]: ir2noob, it was a series of forcing moves
RobertT [-\]: its like reading out a ladder
iR2Noob [8k\]: i know right ? 
Uberdude [4d?\]: another resoundingly successful attak for black
ronm [1k\]: ko kinda like tic tac toe in that sense
ronm [1k\]: go*
iR2Noob [8k\]: lol thx for the info...
]
;B[mf]C[Insidius [1d?\]: b crazy...
]
;W[gn]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: well q14 is easy, but can w tenuki?
Uberdude [4d?\]: p2 is pretty huge
Uberdude [4d?\]: and this ^^
ronm [1k\]: then p15?
Illyria [?\]: w thinks he can tenuki at least
sedgwick [4d?\]: c2 huge:)
DariusA [3d\]: F6
ronm [1k\]: oh hi james
Firzen [3d\]: not sure if f6 loses points
sedgwick [4d?\]: hi ron
Firzen [3d\]: just living directly might be better
]
;B[en]C[Abraxas [7k\]: is this finished too?
]
;W[rd]C[grumpyjoe [-\]: clever
]
;B[dn]
;W[cm]C[Abraxas [7k\]: thanks
Abraxas [7k\]: they ate too fast
Abraxas [7k\]: isnt that bad for playing Go right after?
]
;B[ep]C[DariusA [3d\]: not really   andy and eric finished their game 1 hour ago
RobertT [-\]: yes, they might get a finger cramp
]
;W[cr]C[Abraxas [7k\]: andy and eric finished before having dinner or after?
ronm [1k\]: after
]
;B[dq]C[Abraxas [7k\]: i see, thanks
Uberdude [4d?\]: i'm not convinced c2 was better than d3
Uberdude [4d?\]: liberties of e3 are important
ronm [1k\]: i guess you're not uber enough
DariusA [3d\]: if d3  b answers C2 uberdude
Babur [1d\]: Q2 is the biggest move
Firzen [3d\]: I'm not sure w can just d1 now
Uberdude [4d?\]: err what
Uberdude [4d?\]: then
iR2Noob [8k\]: lol.
Uberdude [4d?\]: then w c3 and i got a 10 pt corner
]
;W[fq]C[Abraxas [7k\]: what?
RobertT [-\]: lol thats so bad darius
iR2Noob [8k\]: d3 c2 sure.
arunasr [?\]: What was the result of the second Eric/Andy game?
DariusA [3d\]: then b dies in the corner yes
grumpyjoe [-\]: not sure w can d1
Uberdude [4d?\]: seee
Uberdude [4d?\]: w woopsied
ronm [1k\]: andy won by resign
Abraxas [7k\]: e8
RobertT [-\]: f3...
NO9: w should do d-3  instead of c-2?
]
;B[ds]C[arunasr [?\]: thanks.
]
;W[gr]C[iR2Noob [8k\]: q2 now ? 
]
;B[sd]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: yes c2 was huge mistake
]
;W[oe]C[DariusA [3d\]: F3 was awesome....
Hollumber [6k?\]: why doesn't white p2?
grumpyjoe [-\]: o14
ronm [1k\]: hasn't had the time yet
Abraxas [7k\]: because is gote
Firzen [3d\]: q2 seems like blacks move now
ronm [1k\]: don't think it's gote
Hollumber [6k?\]: how is p2 gote?
Insidius [1d?\]: now q2?
DariusA [3d\]: Q2 now indeed
Hollumber [6k?\]: yeah, q2 necessary
Abraxas [7k\]: p2 o2, no?
Hollumber [6k?\]: yeah, ab, that would be white sente
]
;B[nf]
;W[of]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: p2 o2 is a great exchange for white
Abraxas [7k\]: gote
RobertT [-\]: who gets q2 or p2 is about a 20 points difference
Abraxas [7k\]: is when the sequence ends
NO9: w leads?
DariusA [3d\]: b playing some sente moves for fun  but q2 is coming  be patient
Uberdude [4d?\]: p2 o2 w has sente
ronm [1k\]: exactly
Abraxas [7k\]: i dont know what is good or bad
Uberdude [4d?\]: and has already gained
Hollumber [6k?\]: uber, if black could still play r3, would the p2 o2 exchange be good for white?
]
;B[pr]C[iR2Noob [8k\]: is r2 playable
iR2Noob [8k\]: nvm
]
;W[or]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: p2 o2 makes r3 harder
]
;B[oq]
;W[qr]C[DariusA [3d\]: Q3 is the next move
]
;B[pq]
;W[qq]C[iR2Noob [8k\]: lol dude seriously this is annoying
Firzen [3d\]: r1 seems too small
DariusA [3d\]: S10 sente ?
grumpyjoe [-\]: has anyone counted?
NO9: w should be leading
Hollumber [6k?\]: ooh, s10 seems sente
Insidius [1d?\]: w winning i think
]
;B[es]C[Firzen [3d\]: I want e1 g4 by black ^^
littlebird [2k\]: se seems to suggest w wins, 
Firzen [3d\]: lol, I'm too slow
Hollumber [6k?\]: white winning by 15, based on SE
]
;W[fs]C[Illyria [?\]: who won the first game?
grumpyjoe [-\]: 55 for b
Firzen [3d\]: or h1 first?
ronm [1k\]: g4 a move?
RobertT [-\]: g4 works now
]
;B[gp]C[Firzen [3d\]: hm, can't h1 right away
ronm [1k\]: omg i'm so strong
grumpyjoe [-\]: w+10
Firzen [3d\]: good going ronm
Abraxas [7k\]: an arrow in the butt
]
;W[gq]C[Firzen [3d\]: h1 now?
ronm [1k\]: it's ok, darius winning the guess the next forcing move game
DariusA [3d\]: g4 now h1  what are you guys trying to accomplish ?
iR2Noob [8k\]: lol ron.
]
;B[qs]C[RobertT [-\]: r1 bigger than h1
]
;W[rs]
;B[ps]C[Firzen [3d\]: darius A, sente reduction
]
;W[mo]C[Koffein [-\]: s7 ?
Abraxas [7k\]: is there a gote reduction?
Koffein [-\]: hmm
Abraxas [7k\]: you guys have to work on your go terms
DariusA [3d\]: b missed N6 in sente
cjalden [3k\]: or a sente gift
Hollumber [6k?\]: s10 srsly seems sente...has anyone read it?
Koffein [-\]: black n6 was sente :/
]
;B[mp]
;W[np]C[RobertT [-\]: it is sente, but then again s13 is also sente
DariusA [3d\]: koffein stop repeating after me
RobertT [-\]: not all sente moves are good
RobertT [-\]: just because they are sente
Abraxas [7k\]: 3dans are so anxious
Firzen [3d\]: DariusA, Koffeins judgement is just more trustworthy ;)
]
;B[rr]
;W[rq]C[Hollumber [6k?\]: yes, but s10 followed by s7 would make a nice combo
Abraxas [7k\]: Koffein is strong
DariusA [3d\]: indeed :)
Babur [1d\]: s7
Abraxas [7k\]: he beat me at asr league
Koffein [-\]: darius, unlike you i'm more concerned about the game than whether the players are married :-)
]
;B[hc]
;W[hb]C[Abraxas [7k\]: are they married :-)
ronm [1k\]: omg who is married??
Koffein [-\]: ask darius ..
DariusA [3d\]: hehe  i'm just curious about people's life :p
Koyou [-\]: fail...
iR2Noob [8k\]: *Facepalm*
Firzen [3d\]: black g5?
]
;B[hs]C[ronm [1k\]: firzen: i thought so too
Firzen [3d\]: well, seems like the original idea of h1 was right then ^^
Abraxas [7k\]: -- warning to new players -- dont try to learn Go from this game chat ---
iR2Noob [8k\]: lol..
Koyou [-\]: shouldn't that be obvious?
]
;W[is]C[Abraxas [7k\]: i dint know im only 7kyu
]
;B[ir]C[ronm [1k\]: abraxas want to see my 9p kibitz certificate??
Koyou [-\]: ...lol
]
;W[hr]C[DariusA [3d\]: is there any kibbitz on kgs you can learn from ? >>
]
;B[js]C[Koyou [-\]: not that I know of...
Hollumber [6k?\]: yes...dan kibitz
]
;W[fp]C[Babur [1d\]: books
Firzen [3d\]: kibitz books
ronm [1k\]: my g4 move feels bad now
DariusA [3d\]: even high dans are trolling when they make comments
RobertT [-\]: low dan kibitz is sooo bad
DariusA [3d\]: even admins
Hollumber [6k?\]: you can also learn current events, memes, and great zingers
Babur [1d\]: elemantary kibitz series
Koyou [-\]: k, can we focus on the game?
Firzen [3d\]: evidently not
DariusA [3d\]: take muttley and javaness for example :p
Abraxas [7k\]: you can watch my games, i have some peolpe coming to post hate messages and leave
]
;B[db]C[Hollumber [6k?\]: javaness is bro
]
;W[fa]C[Babur [1d\]: b16
cjalden [3k\]: kyu kibitz = nonsense.  dan kibitz = nonsense said authoritatively
Babur [1d\]: b18*
grumpyjoe [-\]: they must be short on time
RobertT [-\]: koyou, comment on the game. nothing is stoping you.
Abraxas [7k\]: dans know more go terms!  thats not fair
Hollumber [6k?\]: ab...maybe cuz you did something to them?  I have never had that happen
Koyou [-\]: point taken Robert
Illyria [?\]: I'm certain they're both in byo yomi by now
Hollumber [6k?\]: how certain are you?
]
;B[sf]C[ronm [1k\]: if you want a more focused kibitz you can watch on tygem, there people only talk about how the betting and cheering systems work
Abraxas [7k\]: white wins
Illyria [?\]: 97% certain
]
;W[rk]C[ronm [1k\]: you'll be safe from jokes and 9d kibitz there
]
;B[qk]
;W[rj]C[Koyou [-\]: I'll take you up on that offer ronm
]
;B[rl]C[Hollumber [6k?\]: dang it :(
Koffein [-\]: white is slightly ahead
ronm [1k\]: white falling behind in endgame it feels
DariusA [3d\]: thx for the count koffein  i was going to ask :p
RobertT [-\]: actually tygem has lots of kibitz. its just not in english and thus the english client doesn't display it.
ronm [1k\]: from 30 moves ago
]
;W[qe]C[ronm [1k\]: robert: yeah but not for these games since they are on the aga server
Abraxas [7k\]: t6 
Firzen [3d\]: t12 seems sente
grumpyjoe [-\]: ko 
]
;B[sh]C[Firzen [3d\]: ko?
grumpyjoe [-\]: oh no
RobertT [-\]: actually the "aga" server is only the aga server on the english client. to all other clients its just the "competition" server
]
;W[sg]C[Firzen [3d\]: where's a ko?
Abraxas [7k\]: here
Babur [1d\]: nope
Firzen [3d\]: no
alex666 [5k?\]: not
DariusA [3d\]: no
Abraxas [7k\]: haha, stop saying NO!
Babur [1d\]: i said no first
grumpyjoe [-\]: looked like dead shape
grumpyjoe [-\]: but missed m13
RobertT [-\]: if the s17 stones where 1 line down then it would be dead
ronm [1k\]: well what i meant was when there were 3 of these aga-tygem games on at once earlier today there were something like 46 people on the server, so i don't think there's kibitz in any language
Firzen [3d\]: w is alive in sente here
grumpyjoe [-\]: no n13
]
;B[rg]
;W[rf]C[RobertT [-\]: ronm, the games where being broadcasted in all servers
ronm [1k\]: not until 150 moves in or so
RobertT [-\]: in korea 1 the andy liu game had 90 observers
]
;B[se]C[alex666 [5k?\]: but if B Ko then...))
]
;W[rh]C[DariusA [3d\]: w gets sente
Hollumber [6k?\]: ko!
cjalden [3k\]: group started out alive, so it becomes a black reduction
Illyria [?\]: no ko
alex666 [5k?\]: b - t11 
ronm [1k\]: when they are on the other servers then everyone switches to korea 1
Hollumber [6k?\]: black t9
opium [?\]: doesnt w o10 nail those blacks?
Abraxas [7k\]: wrong order?
ronm [1k\]: and it goes from 46 to 0 lol
Babur [1d\]: kyus see kos everywhere
alex666 [5k?\]: yes)
]
;B[bb]C[Hollumber [6k?\]: oh, lol, oops
]
;W[cb]C[Hollumber [6k?\]: fuuuu ><
]
;B[ac]
;W[mq]C[Firzen [3d\]: watch your language
DariusA [3d\]: T11 is 4 points 
]
;B[lp]C[Babur [1d\]: gote
]
;W[mr]C[Babur [1d\]: 4,5
Abraxas [7k\]: white won
]
;B[nr]
;W[sr]C[Babur [1d\]: n1
DariusA [3d\]: M2
]
;B[ls]
;W[ms]C[ronm [1k\]: check your mail tomorrow for the pro cert darius
]
;B[lr]
;W[rm]C[DariusA [3d\]: i made so many wrong guesses   i won't have it :/
ronm [1k\]: this sequence good for w, got s2 in sente
grumpyjoe [-\]: it's amazing how fast their reading is
Illyria [?\]: it probably won't be there, but you should check your mail anyways
Hollumber [6k?\]: white winning by like 20
Hollumber [6k?\]: shouldn't black resign?
Firzen [3d\]: 20?
Abraxas [7k\]: do you resign when 20 behind?
Jarndyce [3d\]: how much is AGA komi?
]
;B[ad]
;W[da]C[DariusA [3d\]: 7.5?
Abraxas [7k\]: is closer than 20, i guess
shipshape [?\]: 7.5
DariusA [3d\]: T13
]
;B[sg]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: btw t11 is not 4 pts
DariusA [3d\]: omg maybe i will get the certificate after all !
]
;W[si]C[Abraxas [7k\]: o10 
]
;B[sc]
;W[sl]C[Abraxas [7k\]: then o15 ?
ronm [1k\]: more like 2 pts
Firzen [3d\]: e14 seems big for black
Hollumber [6k?\]: f14 is nice
]
;B[ig]C[ronm [1k\]: ~12 pt difference?
Hollumber [6k?\]: f14 for white, i mean
]
;W[ih]
;B[jg]C[Abraxas [7k\]: j12  is too strong, the nose of b2 bomber
DariusA [3d\]: F14 now yes
grumpyjoe [-\]: i got w+9
]
;W[ff]C[Abraxas [7k\]: black can only get reduced
ronm [1k\]: i'm happy to be 3 pts within joe
]
;B[io]
;W[ho]
;B[jo]C[Abraxas [7k\]: "Those who count, win"
]
;W[fn]C[grumpyjoe [-\]: i'm notorious for being 3pts off
opium [?\]: isnt o10 worth 20 pts
]
;B[em]C[ronm [1k\]: k2 kinda big, will force cap on n3 group
]
;W[fo]C[Hollumber [6k?\]: ok, time to bet. what's the ending score?  I'm betting 225 cool points that white will win by 7.5
ronm [1k\]: o10 is -1 pt
Illyria [?\]: o10 is snapback
]
;B[gf]
;W[hg]C[RobertT [-\]: 0 point sente
cjalden [3k\]: do you have any cool points to bet with?
ronm [1k\]: zing
]
;B[fe]
;W[ef]C[opium [?\]: o ya th/
Koffein [-\]: -1, robert. black must play twice 
ronm [1k\]: oh i dreamed up my k2 tesuji, nevermind :(
Babur [1d\]: w plays twice too
Illyria [?\]: k2 is worth 1 point
Babur [1d\]: it's 0
bert [3d\]: o10 is -1 point, coz b will eventually have to play it as well as p9
Hollumber [6k?\]: yea, got em by saying "yolo" before I drove over the speed limit on my way to the gym
]
;B[am]C[Koffein [-\]: white does nothing - black must play twice. white plays o10 p9 - black must only spend 1 move now
]
;W[al]C[Babur [1d\]: ah, this way, yes
ronm [1k\]: koffein strong
RobertT [-\]: lets fight over 1 point in a 10 point difference game
ronm [1k\]: kibitz meijin
Koffein [-\]: no, ronm :/
]
;B[an]C[DariusA [3d\]: details are important robert
]
;W[jr]C[Abraxas [7k\]: O10 may be good if that were the only eye shape for black
]
;B[is]C[ronm [1k\]: yeah if b passes 4 moves in a row then o10 very strong
Hollumber [6k?\]: arguments make kibitzers stronger.
Abraxas [7k\]: yeah
]
;W[qm]C[Babur [1d\]: kibitzers never have arguments
BrianH [10k\]: white is good?
grumpyjoe [-\]: l1
ronm [1k\]: he's ok
Abraxas [7k\]: white is learning
grumpyjoe [-\]: m6
ronm [1k\]: l1 doesn't look too big
]
;B[la]
;W[gs]C[redreoicy [2k\]: l1 is 0 point double sente :P
]
;B[ks]C[grumpyjoe [-\]: it was sente
]
;W[ba]C[Abraxas [7k\]: q8 ! ko
]
;B[ab]
;W[if]C[Hollumber [6k?\]: no need, ab
Abraxas [7k\]: just o7?o7 
]
;B[jh]C[Hollumber [6k?\]: later, yes
bert [3d\]: m13 
]
;W[lg]C[Koffein [-\]: b19 was 1 pt reverse gote
Firzen [3d\]: resign
Hollumber [6k?\]: how does that work?
Firzen [3d\]: w l15 is sente
Hollumber [6k?\]: oh, k, i see it ><
Illyria [?\]: ouch
Abraxas [7k\]: i dunno but d10 started to shine
gnarf [1k\]: oups
Abraxas [7k\]: O10*
DariusA [3d\]: big  oops...
Firzen [3d\]: wow
]
;B[mg]
;W[lf]C[Firzen [3d\]: actually
RobertT [-\]: b cant block
DariusA [3d\]: b connected but w gets more points
Firzen [3d\]: b will need to o15 even
ronm [1k\]: yes
DariusA [3d\]: K14
Firzen [3d\]: k14, o10
]
;B[ne]C[lior [2d\]: must 015
lior [2d\]: o*
Firzen [3d\]: lior, well done
]
;W[ji]
;B[kg]
;W[ke]C[DariusA [3d\]: K14 O10 N11 M15 O15  same
]
;B[jf]C[Abraxas [7k\]: o10 
]
;W[ka]C[Babur [1d\]: who will read darius' sequence?
]
;B[ma]C[Abraxas [7k\]: haha
Firzen [3d\]: dariusA, not the same
DariusA [3d\]: hehe
Abraxas [7k\]: i cant read
]
;W[op]C[ronm [1k\]: o10 still -1 pt
]
;B[lq]C[redreoicy [2k\]: o10 gets rid of the chance for q8
Abraxas [7k\]: white missed o15
]
;W[ln]
;B[kn]
;W[mn]
;B[lh]
;W[le]C[redreoicy [2k\]: or wait 
DariusA [3d\]: that's right that's why o10 after K14 is bad
Hollumber [6k?\]: m12...pointless?
redreoicy [2k\]: o10 just -1, w doesn't need to bother q8
DariusA [3d\]: i was just answering to Firzen :p
ronm [1k\]: after o7 q8 is a move
grumpyjoe [-\]: b missed so many free points
]
;B[aa]
;W[ca]C[ronm [1k\]: but not before
RobertT [-\]: so w won
ronm [1k\]: 15 pts maybe
bubba [4d\]: anyone know what happened in today's other games?
XXpericoXX [3d\]: p18
RobertT [-\]: that means yaun zhou is the 10th player knocked out of this tournament
XXpericoXX [3d\]: p16 sorry
]
;B[gg]C[Illyria [?\]: haha, yaun zhou
]
;W[fg]C[Koffein [-\]: bubba, bbw won
]
;B[ge]C[ronm [1k\]: andy beat eric, gansheng beat the other guy, curtis lost his game
slang [5k\]: which is not a surprise
DariusA [3d\]: only 6 left then
]
;W[od]C[RobertT [-\]:  Andy Liu, Eric Liu, Hugh Zhang, Gansheng Shi, Jianing Gan and Jing Yang are still in the tournament
]
;B[aj]
;W[ak]C[bubba [4d\]: ty Robert
]
;B[ag]C[RobertT [-\]: Edward Kim, Calvin Sun, Ben Lockhart, Mathew Burrall, Justin Teng, Curtis Tang, Sooil Kim, Andrew Lu, Bill Lin and Yaun Zhou have been knocked out
slang [5k\]: 3 american, 3 canadians
]
;W[ai]C[xedover [?\]: http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-system
]
;B[sk]C[ronm [1k\]: can't believe bill knocked out, he's so strong
Hollumber [6k?\]: lolwtf, why play this ko?
RobertT [-\]: (assuming w wins and b loses)
]
;W[sm]
;B[aj]C[slang [5k\]: not updated
]
;W[nm]C[xedover [?\]: page will be updated with today's results after this game
Hollumber [6k?\]: so, white wins by 20, right?
slang [5k\]: thanks
]
;B[ok]
;W[ai]C[bubba [4d\]: hurry, xedover....gotta get my fix!
]
;B[hp]
;W[hq]C[RobertT [-\]: players I mentioned is the current players in and knocked out based on todays games
]
;B[aj]
;W[do]C[Babur [1d\]: this ko is huge
]
;B[eo]
;W[ai]C[xedover [?\]: my update is waiting... but then it'll have to be "approved"
]
;B[oh]C[slang [5k\]: by whom?
NoobSkills [1k\]: honour ko
Babur [1d\]: ignore!
]
;W[og]
;B[aj]C[ronm [1k\]: man ko
xedover [?\]: webmaster
]
;W[jn]C[slang [5k\]: :)
]
;B[ns]
;W[ai]C[Abraxas [7k\]: silly kko
RobertT [-\]: andy is in the winners bracket gangsheng shi and hugh zhang have a game tomorrow to see whos in the winners or loses
Babur [1d\]: kos are never silly
slang [5k\]: give it to b pls
RobertT [-\]: and eric liu, jianing gan and jing yang are in losers bracket
Abraxas [7k\]: except when they are silly
Ilidas [4d\]: b has no threat
redreoicy [2k\]: r12
Babur [1d\]: i said never
Ilidas [4d\]: w wins ko
slang [5k\]: r12
]
;B[qh]
;W[pf]
;B[aj]C[slang [5k\]: p19
choguling [8k\]: is w can b1 a2 a threat
Abraxas [7k\]: naver say never
]
;W[qb]C[globax [3d\]: r18
]
;B[rb]
;W[ai]C[Illyria [?\]: w has a ton more threats
bubba [4d\]: is e8 a point?
Babur [1d\]: H11
]
;B[oc]
;W[aj]
;B[el]C[ronm [1k\]: i was wondering about that bubba, but i don't think so
]
;W[ei]C[Abraxas [7k\]: dame  = 1 point
bubba [4d\]: black jumped on it pretty fast though :)
ronm [1k\]: yeah
]
;B[kh]C[cjalden [3k\]: e8 would have cut two live groups
Abraxas [7k\]: q7 
Illyria [?\]: w should play q8 
RobertT [-\]: its aga territory counting, dame = points and w passes last
Babur [1d\]: D15
yoyoma [1d\]: Area rules, it might be possible to gain points by starting ko at Q8/Q7
bubba [4d\]: wouldn't that just be showing off right now?
RobertT [-\]: yoyomama, w just plays q7, black cant q8 so w gets q8 anyways
Babur [1d\]: w is thinking about is next move
Babur [1d\]: damesuji
]
;W[id]
;B[ie]
;W[de]
;B[ee]
;W[hi]C[yoyoma [1d\]: Robert: White play Q8, then tenuki to take other dames
Babur [1d\]: O10
RobertT [-\]: same thing as q8 o10 q7 with less risk
]
;B[nj]
;W[me]
;B[pl]
;W[pm]C[Babur [1d\]: pass
sancho1 [2k\]: hum  the difference is huge
BrianH [10k\]: w win
sancho1 [2k\]: to w
RobertT [-\]: ko is bad no matter what
USGO3 [-\]: Board being counted
NoobSkills [1k\]: surrender in counting?
globax [3d\]: thx usgo3
RobertT [-\]: throwing in for ko is just losing points
globax [3d\]: why o10?
bubba [4d\]: would be in atari, globax
ThaiThai [7k\]: White has so many points
au2 [?\]: thanks USGO3 for coverage of game
ronm [1k\]: o10 4d tesuji apparently
ThaiThai [7k\]: in comparison to black
BrianH [10k\]: I think the difference is big,thanks USGO3
Babur [1d\]: globax should read get strong at dame
globax [3d\]: o10-09
yoyoma [1d\]: Robert, suppose there is Q8 ko area, and 1 other Dame.
Jarndyce [3d\]: thanks to the game recorder!
yoyoma [1d\]: White can play Q8 ko, black defend, white take other dame.  Then win ko.
yoyoma [1d\]: Then white got 3 dame points
globax [3d\]: o10-o9utegaeshi
RobertT [-\]: yoyoma, want me to illistrate how it will never be good?
yoyoma [1d\]: ok clone?
USGO3 [-\]: White wins by 20.5
Abraxas [7k\]: thanks to everyone who helped for this bradcasting - our sponsors and the Kibitzers
Illyria [?\]: yeah, dame ko matters in area scoring
ronm [1k\]: thanks usgo
redreoicy [2k\]: i think yoyoma is right
Illyria [?\]: thanks usgo
globax [3d\]: o10 not necessary
opium [?\]: does it show score yet, my phone don,t show score
slang [5k\]: 20.5 is a lot
redreoicy [2k\]: o10 would have been necessarry eventually
redreoicy [2k\]: it's just a dame point
Abraxas [7k\]: still nobody said if they are married or not
BrianH [10k\]: bye
globax [3d\]: 10-o9, what next?
globax [3d\]: snap back
grumpyjoe [-\]: there was a stone on o9
ThaiThai [7k\]: OPIUM how do you watch the game through phone?
redreoicy [2k\]: not a play by w
redreoicy [2k\]: b would be in atari
redreoicy [2k\]: with q8
globax [3d\]: ah oki
ThaiThai [7k\]: which app do you use?
globax [3d\]: sorry
opium [?\]: kgs android app
ThaiThai [7k\]: any app for iphone?
opium [?\]: dunno
]
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