(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[5400]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
GN[1st AGA-TYGEMGO Pro Finals - 4A, game 1]PW[Andy Liu]PB[GanSheng Shi]WR[7d]BR[7d]DT[2012-08-02]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Dennis Wheeler]RE[W+10.50]
;B[pd]
;W[dd]
;B[pq]
;W[dp]
;B[fq]
;W[cn]
;B[jp]
;W[po]
;B[pl]
;W[mp]
;B[op]
;W[oo]
;B[np]
;W[no]
;B[mo]C[shenzhen [3d\]: go andy!
shenzhen [3d\]: any commentary on tygem today?
shenzhen [3d\]: hehe first corner and it's already completely off anything seen in pro games ever
shenzhen [3d\]: first no n4 with k4 in place, second p4 never played after n4 in that joseki
]
;W[qq]
;B[qr]C[latinpower: black lost already
]
;W[pp]
;B[or]
;W[rq]
;B[mq]C[shenzhen [3d\]: i think this looks ok for b
benwa [4k\]: What do you think about the Q8 stone?
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;W[qm]
;B[ql]
;W[rl]
;B[rk]
;W[rm]
;B[qj]
;W[nc]
;B[pc]C[Ojisama [-\]: be more specific with your question
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;W[jd]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: i prefer b
shenzhen [3d\]: i like b too
]
;B[cf]
;W[be]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: but ultimately bigbadwolf cannot lose
benwa [4k\]: I was wondering if the Q8 stone necesitates W defending (happened at R7).
Ojisama [-\]: white needed a base, although it made black stronger
Ojisama [-\]: that pincer is standard with kobayashi and q5 approach
]
;B[lc]
;W[lp]
;B[lo]
;W[lq]
;B[mr]C[benwa [4k\]: Thanks
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;W[ko]
;B[kn]
;W[jo]C[Ojisama [-\]: :)
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;B[kp]
;W[ip]C[Jinni [1k\]: its about time the world took notice of the glory that is bbw
Jinni [1k\]: for one thing hes big
Jinni [1k\]: and bad
Jinni [1k\]: and a wolf
Jinni [1k\]: its the total package
]
;B[io]
;W[jn]
;B[hp]
;W[km]
;B[kq]
;W[ld]C[spanglish [3k\]: maybe he can lose :O
Jinni [1k\]: he tried that once but he couldnt do it
]
;B[fd]
;W[kc]C[shenzhen [3d\]: this game getting complicated already
shenzhen [3d\]: too much tenuki, i can't understand at all
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;B[ef]C[spanglish [3k\]: what now
petition [2k\]: f17 ?
]
;W[bf]
;B[dc]
;W[cc]
;B[ec]
;W[cd]
;B[ic]
;W[jb]C[aiken23 [7k\]: Which color is andy?
Illyria [?\]: white
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;B[md]C[aiken23 [7k\]: Thanks
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;W[mc]
;B[le]
;W[lb]C[spanglish [3k\]: these guys are smar
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;B[id]
;W[qe]
;B[pe]
;W[qf]
;B[qd]
;W[qh]
;B[oh]C[spanglish [3k\]: q11
]
;W[pi]
;B[rg]C[Aokame [?\]: isnt liu bbw?
palapiku [-\]: it's definitely a possibility
]
;W[rh]C[spanglish [3k\]: q8 getting into trouble
Aokame [?\]: sometimes hes aga 9d, sometimes aga 7d. they should really choose for once
petition [2k\]: aga only goes to 7d i think
spanglish [3k\]: kgs doesnt support aga ranks
]
;B[nl]C[spanglish [3k\]: andy is 9.3 dan how to put that here?
benwa [4k\]: n6
]
;W[oi]C[Baldanders [5k\]: you are confusing rank and rating, spanglish
papabob [9k\]: Can you explain?
]
;B[mk]C[Ojisama [-\]: 9.3 is his rating 
]
;W[rd]
;B[rc]C[Ojisama [-\]: his rank is 7dan
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;W[rf]C[shenzhen [3d\]: this w invasion seems like a big success
shenzhen [3d\]: r10 almost a weak group now
Nathan [5k\]: can someone provide the link to the tournament bracket?
]
;B[mh]C[Illyria [?\]: http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-system
Sungod [1k?\]: andy is almost sure to be selected
Nathan [5k\]: thankyou
Aokame [?\]: when is jie li playing?
shenzhen [3d\]: seems he is not in it
Illyria [?\]: he was invited to compete, but chose not to
]
;W[sd]C[Aokame [?\]: ah, pity
Ranchan [-\]: next year they choose 2 new pros and they all can become pros? :D
shenzhen [3d\]: is kim myungwan commenting today?
viu30h [5k\]: did zchen compete?
ThiGar [3k\]: is zchen in the AGA? i thought he was from hong kong
ego [2k\]: T16 is not pro move
ThiGar [3k\]: T16 settles the group
ego [2k\]: no
Ojisama [-\]: can u enlighten us about the right "pro" move?
Aokame [?\]: oh this is finals
Aokame [?\]: holy, if liu makes it
viu30h [5k\]: just looked it up he lives in new jersey
]
;B[mn]C[Aokame [?\]: imo you should explain this pro system better for us europeans
Ojisama [-\]: New Jersey is almost in Italy =)
]
;W[in]
;B[ho]C[Aokame [?\]: i know a documentary is coming but where are official facts?
]
;W[fe]C[viu30h [5k\]: fact is if andy wins this game hes pro right?
ThiGar [3k\]: Aokame, This selection tournament works like a japanese pro tournament
Ojisama [-\]: it's best of 3 viu
ivank [3k\]: http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-system
CrossKid [5d\]: white needs to beat GanSheng Shi 2 times to be pro viu
raptuya [2d\]: oh
raptuya [2d\]: W is bigbadwolf?
CrossKid [5d\]: yes
viu30h [5k\]: ah but he loses he still has chance to be pro right?
Aokame [?\]: thigar, i mean theres little information why this is happening. its so sudden. some koreans pros came to help the us estalblish a pro system. whats the history behind it? whos sponsoring? whats in the future next?
viu30h [5k\]: w is hjekshdf or whatever
CrossKid [5d\]: I believe so viu since 2 people get to go pro
]
;B[ee]
;W[ed]
;B[gd]C[cvbb: how pro 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9???
viu30h [5k\]: tygem is sponsoring
raptuya [2d\]: no w is bigbadwolf
]
;W[dr]C[viu30h [5k\]: there the same person lol
CrossKid [5d\]: white is hjekshdf and bigbadwolf
cava [13k?\]: what sense is there to have only 2 pros? cant create a league 
raptuya [2d\]: who said hjekshdf is bbw?
viu30h [5k\]: but they can compete in int. tourneys
ivank [3k\]: and maynerd
viu30h [5k\]: bbw said it -.-
CrossKid [5d\]: they will be participating in the korean league for a while i think ?
CrossKid [5d\]: I cant remember correctly what they said about it 
Ojisama [-\]: i read that they'll only participate in 5 big tournaments
cava [13k?\]: of all leagues the weak korea league -.-
]
;B[pm]C[ThiGar [3k\]: .Aokame, read the 3 pages of this blog (http://www.usgo.org/news/category/events-aga-tygemgo-online-pro-prelim) for the whole history, and this page (http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-system) for the rules of this initial tournament with its 2 tiers.
CrossKid [5d\]: the korean league is pretty strong cava
cava [13k?\]: i know
viu30h [5k\]: korea league weak?  you know they only allow like 10 pros a year there
cava [13k?\]: was ironic
]
;W[mm]
;B[nn]C[CrossKid [5d\]: but atleast theyll have a good study environment if itstrue that they participate in the korean league that was just what i heard 
CrossKid [5d\]: but that will just be till they get more pros of course 
viu30h [5k\]: they will be 6 months in korea having intensive training
CrossKid [5d\]: yeah going to be tough sounds fun 
]
;W[pn]C[ivank [3k\]: has b account on KGS?
Aokame [?\]: thx thigar, but second link isnt working
viu30h [5k\]: andy liu after 6 months of korean drill lol
viu30h [5k\]: b is gifted 8d on kgs
CrossKid [5d\]: wow really? i didnt know GanSheng Shi played kgs
]
;B[jk]C[ivank [3k\]: thx
viu30h [5k\]: i dont think he plays much or at all here
viu30h [5k\]: but gifted is his accd
svartrev [5k\]: Aokame: both links work for me
CrossKid [5d\]: Ah i guess it says in gifted info 
]
;W[ln]C[ThiGar [3k\]: www.usgo.org/aga-professional-system
Jinni [1k\]: he beat smart today
viu30h [5k\]: yesterday him and hjekshdf were watching the games xd
viu30h [5k\]: whose smartrobot?
CrossKid [5d\]: Jack Jin 2p
viu30h [5k\]: k
shenzhen [3d\]: well these guys are 2-2 against each other on kgs
]
;B[on]C[shenzhen [3d\]: but it would be 3-1 bbw if all games had koi
]
;W[rr]C[shenzhen [3d\]: komi*
Jinni [1k\]: so is this a best of 3 or what
RoadRage [?\]: who is b on kgs?
osvaldo [1d\]: ya i think this is the first game of a best of 3
CrossKid [5d\]: it is the first match of the Bo3
Syu [1k\]: roadr, gifted
Jinni [1k\]: this is the finals right
viu30h [5k\]: andy liu is still undefeated right?
RoadRage [?\]: ah
CrossKid [5d\]: yeah he is
CrossKid [5d\]: he beat Eric Lui 2 times in a row so they had no need to go to the third game
Aokame [?\]: is this a online tourney?
ego [2k\]: G8
]
;B[rs]C[CrossKid [5d\]: its the U.S pro test its a live game Aokame
RoadRage [?\]: bbw strongest ama in west right?
gdghgjd [3d\]: whoever wins this is one game away from becoming pro, right?
RoadRage [?\]: i beat eirc lui once :)
Aokame [?\]: with live game you mean they are playing each other localy?
Jinni [1k\]: probably
RoadRage [?\]: eric*
GreedKills [2k\]: routinely beats pros
RoadRage [?\]: jad 3 stones and was blitz, but still
GreedKills [2k\]: asian pros who have moved to u.s. anyways
ivank [3k\]: eldered pros
GreedKills [2k\]: right
CrossKid [5d\]: Yes Aokame there playing eachother live right now and USGO1 is relaying it for us
Jinni [1k\]: so the winnder becomes a pro and the runner ups have to wait a year?
Aokame [?\]: thats good, would be pity if it were only a online game
Jinni [1k\]: winner
GreedKills [2k\]: no there will be two
CrossKid [5d\]: winner becomes pro and runner ups get seeded into next year
GreedKills [2k\]: loser of this one gets one more chance
GreedKills [2k\]: right?
CrossKid [5d\]: there will be 2 runner ups and 2 pros 
Illyria [?\]: yes
CrossKid [5d\]: the 2 runner ups get free slots into the next year pro test
Jinni [1k\]: 1 pro a year eh
GreedKills [2k\]: i am so pumped that there will be u.s. pros
GreedKills [2k\]: 2 pros/year
Jinni [1k\]: yeah thats pretty cool
Jinni [1k\]: 2 a year
ThiGar [3k\]: very exciting tournament! Does anybody know why they did not stage it during the US Go Congress?
GreedKills [2k\]: and/canadian^^
CrossKid [5d\]: they will bump it up probably if we get enough players
Jinni [1k\]: unless bbw wins all the tournaments
papabob [9k\]: Doesn't the runner-up play the winner of Eric Lui/Gan Jianing?
viu30h [5k\]: im cheering for the andy liu lee sedol games in samsung cup that will occur xD
ivank [3k\]: isn't 2 pros/year too fast?
mpepe16 [6d\]: I think these kids at least 1 stone weaker than high class inseis.
ThiGar [3k\]: come on! lee sedol is 10P!
CrossKid [5d\]: not really ivank other countrys do up to 10 pros a year 
Jinni [1k\]: w must be pretty excited about becoming a pro
viu30h [5k\]: lol those will be our only chances to see andy die lol
gogonuts [5d\]: this w group is vexing - whats the result if w tenukies?
CrossKid [5d\]: two is a good amount to start with i think maybe bump it to 3 next year if it goes well :)
CrossKid [5d\]: too bad zchen didnt show up for this ........
bigtory [?\]: live commentary for this game at tygem started
GreedKills [2k\]: i wonder if they will ever fund americans to study in korea
Warfreak2 [4d\]: 2 pros this year = 2 pros in all years up to now
GreedKills [2k\]: as part of this
RoadRage [?\]: seki if w tenuki
ThiGar [3k\]: maybe the first 2P in a couple of years
pinpingho [?\]: the problem is not the number, the problem is what are you going to do with the pros...
Warfreak2 [4d\]: to be consistent, next year there would be 0 pros
Jinni [1k\]: 2 pros if theres different winners
RoadRage [?\]: nvm w die if tenuki
gogonuts [5d\]: see, its vexing :-)
gogonuts [5d\]: look again and its ko :-)
ThiGar [3k\]: well, the pros are going to make a living
GreedKills [2k\]: i really like b's position
pinpingho [?\]: it's meaningless if there isn't pro tournament
RoadRage [?\]: s5 t5 ?
GreedKills [2k\]: are they going to make a living at go?
pinpingho [?\]: who is going to pay them?
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;W[ke]
;B[ro]
;W[rp]C[viu30h [5k\]: tygem mostly i guess
ThiGar [3k\]: tourneys, students, simuls, etc..
gogonuts [5d\]: we will find out right away :-)
pinpingho [?\]: i don't believe tygem will pay them...
ThiGar [3k\]: kgs+?
viu30h [5k\]: they sponsor alot
Minjhou [-\]: what's the concept of "pro Go player"? I mean, any professional is the one who makes money with whatever he does
pinpingho [?\]: And does this means these pro will belongs to tygem?
Minjhou [-\]: if someone makes money playing Go, he's a pro
huk: pro go player can play in Korean pro-only events
indianayk [4d\]: we need corporate sponsorship
viu30h [5k\]: then cornel is pro too  even rober jasiek is pro then xD
gogonuts [5d\]: what if b t6 now?
viu30h [5k\]: in way of speaking
GreedKills [2k\]: yes, and to make money, you need to get into the tournaments
Minjhou [-\]: no matter his level, only the money he makes
Warfreak2 [4d\]: if you want to invent new meanings for commonly understood words, that is your right, but don't expect anyone to understand you...
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;B[rn]
;W[qn]C[pinpingho [?\]: huk is right, that's the definition of pro in go world at least
Minjhou [-\]: Warfreak, the commonly understood word for "professional" is making money
viu30h [5k\]: in go society
viu30h [5k\]: ?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: the commonly understood meaning of the word "professional" in the context of go means someone who has been awarded a professional rank by a go association
osvaldo [1d\]: t8?
gogonuts [5d\]: s6 is fail?
ego [2k\]: H8 now
pinpingho [?\]: pro means they can participate in pro event that's pretty much and usually they are not allowed in non-pro event
]
;B[sm]
;W[sl]C[RoadRage [?\]: t10?
]
;B[so]C[Minjhou [-\]: it's not realted to make money playing go? oh, ok
GreedKills [2k\]: the two definitions tend to coincide in this situation...don't see why there has to be a nit-picky argument
Minjhou [-\]: *related
shenzhen [3d\]: 1000 year ko?
ThiGar [3k\]: yes, corporate sponsorship. For exemple imagine a Microsoft Cup, like there is the Samsung Cup in Korea.
gdghgjd [3d\]: lol
shenzhen [3d\]: t2
Warfreak2 [4d\]: t2 t9
viu30h [5k\]: mcdonalds cup xD
palapiku [-\]: the two definitions don't necessarily coincide in this case, because it's completely possible that the USA pros won't make much money from go
Warfreak2 [4d\]: not 10,000 year ko
GreedKills [2k\]: hooray for pointless debates!
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i made some money playing go
benwa [4k\]: hooray!
pytta [2k\]: My friend's mom made some money off my go books :S
Warfreak2 [4d\]: :-)
viu30h [5k\]: many new pros in asia cant make a living out of being pro either
pytta [2k\]: She thought they were his, so she sold them all.
Warfreak2 [4d\]: it's an approach ko, not 10,000 year
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;W[sr]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: w can force b to t4 to make the ko
palapiku [-\]: why do they have to play this complicated stuff :(
Warfreak2 [4d\]: to win
gogonuts [5d\]: it is 10000 year ko
Warfreak2 [4d\]: they like doing that
shenzhen [3d\]: r4 playable now?
palapiku [-\]: i thought only w likes to win
shenzhen [3d\]: hmm no
shenzhen [3d\]: only t9
Warfreak2 [4d\]: r4 is possible
gogonuts [5d\]: throwin better
shenzhen [3d\]: well, could t4 i guess
]
;B[cl]C[gogonuts [5d\]: it makes the 10000 pass faster
]
;W[ch]C[shenzhen [3d\]: well i think tenuki was a good choice
shenzhen [3d\]: this ko is not easy for b to win
gogonuts [5d\]: i still dont like s6 - but if this is the correct result, then s1 was bad
fps [4k\]: no but it should pay off for b, w has to win this
gogonuts [5d\]: because L15 was huge for w
GreedKills [2k\]: huge
]
;B[jl]C[shenzhen [3d\]: hehe k8 so ugly, i like it
Warfreak2 [4d\]: what's the alternative to s6
gogonuts [5d\]: t6
]
;W[hn]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: t6 lets w live without ko
gogonuts [5d\]: could be
gogonuts [5d\]: but how?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: easily
Warfreak2 [4d\]: just play s6 yourself
palapiku [-\]: so what is the status of the white group in lower right?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: unsettled
]
;B[ci]C[gogonuts [5d\]: ur right
Warfreak2 [4d\]: b can choose approach ko or 10,000 year ko/seki, or if w plays then it's alive
gogonuts [5d\]: no connection then
palapiku [-\]: oh thx
]
;W[dh]C[gogonuts [5d\]: so s1 was the problem
palapiku [-\]: so probably b will make it seki in yose?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: or fight a ko
Warfreak2 [4d\]: depending on what happens elsewhere
RoadRage [?\]: if b losing, will try ko before res ^^
]
;B[gn]C[viu30h [5k\]: lets say there will be another important ko
]
;W[hl]C[huk: white got to play L15 instead of defending that group...wonder if black got enough to compensat?
viu30h [5k\]: that would be horrible for white
]
;B[dn]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: no
]
;W[co]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: if there's another ko it's fine
]
;B[gm]
;W[hm]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: lower right is approach ko so b needs to win it a few times
spanglish [3k\]: fast
gogonuts [5d\]: c5: good nerves :-)
viu30h [5k\]: wouldnt b win one of the kos?
osvaldo [1d\]: are they in byo yomi?
Nathan [5k\]: h10?
spanglish [3k\]: prolly not in byo
Warfreak2 [4d\]: b throws in at r4, capture will be a local threat, then b must t9, fill is a local threat, then b must t4, and win the ko three times; first to play r1, second to play t1, then finally to capture w
RoadRage [?\]: start ko now is good
Warfreak2 [4d\]: b can win one ko in lower right and it's still only an approach ko
viu30h [5k\]: when does the commentary start if theres any?
gogonuts [5d\]: for really ugly, k7 now :-)
gogonuts [5d\]: b might actually do it, because k7 is 1 eye in sente for w
RoadRage [?\]: r4 r4 r5 t9 t6 h10 t7 r4 t4 e8 r1 
]
;B[hj]C[ThiGar [3k\]: so warfreak, is black playing the rest of the game to get itself the maximum of ko threats?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: no
RoadRage [?\]: ko first :(
]
;W[jm]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: black is playing the rest of the game to try to win with a seki
]
;B[ll]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: but if he should need a ko, he can play on
Warfreak2 [4d\]: one
spanglish [3k\]: g9
ThiGar [3k\]: ok
shenzhen [3d\]: that ko is the type that doesnt get played though
shenzhen [3d\]: even if its not a 10000 year ko it may as well be :)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: if b chooses against 10,000 year ko then of course he'll play it
Warfreak2 [4d\]: if he doesn't want to play a ko, he won't throw in at r4
RoadRage [?\]: 3 stage, kinda tough, but w group weak enough ta use it for attack
shenzhen [3d\]: g8 now?
gogonuts [5d\]: i think so
]
;W[ij]C[shenzhen [3d\]: oh ho
]
;B[ik]C[shenzhen [3d\]: this one is a liiiitle bit above me :-p
]
;W[gl]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: try to give b a stupid four shape when w connects m7
raptuya [2d\]: lol
gogonuts [5d\]: in any case, not an eye. becuase 
shenzhen [3d\]: haha then dont cut, i dont understand at all
raptuya [2d\]: 6 stpmes above u shenzen
raptuya [2d\]: stones*
gogonuts [5d\]: J8 eye is better for fighting and m7 eye for points
Warfreak2 [4d\]: if you're going to have m7 j8 exchange, then of course j10/j9 is good
shenzhen [3d\]: oo pro commentary on tygem now
Jinni [1k\]: our commentary is better
raptuya [2d\]: shenzen
raptuya [2d\]: its on what server the commentary on tygem?
]
;B[fj]
;W[lm]
;B[il]C[shenzhen [3d\]: korea1
RoadRage [?\]: which room in tygem?
Bauer [1k\]: super shape
gdghgjd [3d\]: nice shape^^
shenzhen [3d\]: first game in relays tab
ED002 [11k\]: link to the room?
gogonuts [5d\]: w clunk not extremely healthy looking
raptuya [2d\]: where is the commentary?
Jinni [1k\]: whens the next game
spanglish [3k\]: w dead
]
;W[el]C[ThiGar [3k\]: w can pull miracles
viu30h [5k\]: b can push miracles away
Warfreak2 [4d\]: he'll huff and he'll puff and he'll blow your stones down
gogonuts [5d\]: pros like to say "the group has problems" :-)
fps [4k\]: w may live, but b win the game
]
;B[dm]
;W[ej]C[ThiGar [3k\]: What is Shi's KGS account?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: w has p9 peep
]
;B[ei]C[palapiku [-\]: b may win the game, but w live!
Warfreak2 [4d\]: b's shape here is minimum
gogonuts [5d\]: with the fine b wall in the center s1 is really a pity
viu30h [5k\]: whate has f5 aji?
gogonuts [5d\]: w would has little chance without L15
Syu [1k\]: thigar, gifted
]
;W[gj]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: b doesn't really have a fine wall in the centre
ThiGar [3k\]: thx Syu
gogonuts [5d\]: J4 stone the ticket to freedom in the end?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: w has a peep at p9 and then push o7 and q9, peep at m10, and it's a heavy weak group
]
;B[gi]C[palapiku [-\]: not so weak after it kills L7
Warfreak2 [4d\]: l7 not dying
spanglish [3k\]: how come
murrmurr [5d\]: i'm not sure
Warfreak2 [4d\]: because of weaknesses at d11 and g5
]
;W[fk]C[murrmurr [5d\]: well, it's alive enough, on second thought
]
;B[gk]
;W[hk]C[RoadRage [?\]: .
gogonuts [5d\]: denying the 2nd eye is too tough
]
;B[gj]
;W[dl]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: w sets up this sequence of peeps
Ranchan [-\]: Andy always gets 2 eyes
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
spanglish [3k\]: is it possible he read this?
murrmurr [5d\]: that's handy, alright
gogonuts [5d\]: he was born with 2 eyes :-)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: andy read it last game
palapiku [-\]: last game was awesome
palapiku [-\]: he should do that again
murrmurr [5d\]: was it a first board game as well
palapiku [-\]: yes
]
;B[cm]
;W[go]
;B[fo]C[palapiku [-\]: he killed a group by throwing in like 10 stones
]
;W[di]C[gogonuts [5d\]: ouch
gogonuts [5d\]: d11 is a huge pain for b
gogonuts [5d\]: shocking
murrmurr [5d\]: hmh. cant find it
pinpingho [?\]: wow, ko?
ThiGar [3k\]: painful. Black first sente around k13 will rake in a lot of points
]
;B[cq]
;W[dq]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: to get d5 sente
gogonuts [5d\]: that w group looked awful, now its no problem at all
Warfreak2 [4d\]: actually w can probably ddo it even without ko
grumpyjoe [-\]: this is the final round?
]
;B[dj]
;W[gp]C[GreedKills [2k\]: first game of final round?
palapiku [-\]: yes, first game of best of 3
gogonuts [5d\]: w genius only, or did b mess somthing up?
]
;B[hq]C[Jinni [1k\]: b messed up
]
;W[fn]C[grumpyjoe [-\]: ok, thanks
spanglish [3k\]: how does this work
Insidius [1d?\]: f7?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: this gets f8 sente to avoid ko
]
;B[fm]
;W[cj]C[yithril [-\]: sick
Jinni [1k\]: definitely alive
shenzhen [3d\]: feels like w is blitzing his way through awesome sequences
shenzhen [3d\]: scary
]
;B[en]C[spanglish [3k\]: he wants e7
]
;W[fl]C[Ranchan [-\]: b just lost points ere
pinpingho [?\]: now w is actually winnin this...
spanglish [3k\]: i would died so bad here
GreedKills [2k\]: k14?
]
;B[bm]C[Jinni [1k\]: i wouldve killed you
]
;W[em]C[littletry [7k\]: i would have watched
pinpingho [?\]: just kill me already
]
;B[fn]C[Jinni [1k\]: you wouldve enjoyed
]
;W[bn]C[murrmurr [5d\]: gorsh, will do
GreedKills [2k\]: e2
littletry [7k\]: i always enjoy
GreedKills [2k\]: ?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i want w to attack q8 now
gogonuts [5d\]: this result almost makes fun of b
murrmurr [5d\]: warfreak, the what huh now?
Jinni [1k\]: he has sente
Insidius [1d?\]: k14?
spanglish [3k\]: b will resign soon
kitsune [-\]: how can q8 be attacked?
]
;B[ek]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: oh, silly me, i ignore the n4 stones
]
;W[dk]
;B[ej]
;W[ck]
;B[aj]
;W[bi]C[Jinni [1k\]: now where to play
GreedKills [2k\]: center
spanglish [3k\]: do something about right group
]
;B[jf]C[Insidius [1d?\]: k14? for trying moyo?
GreedKills [2k\]: yup
Warfreak2 [4d\]: anyway, it's an amusing sequence of peeps that turns b's influence into w's
Insidius [1d?\]: yay!
Insidius [1d?\]: :P
palapiku [-\]: F10 tie fighter shape
]
;W[fg]C[gogonuts [5d\]: k14 makes f13 even sweeter ...
Insidius [1d?\]: e13
]
;B[gg]C[spanglish [3k\]: can be cut
ThiGar [3k\]: F10 space invader shape
Insidius [1d?\]: oups e13 dies :P
]
;W[fh]C[GreedKills [2k\]: wow
]
;B[ff]C[GreedKills [2k\]: not fun for b
spanglish [3k\]: some peep now
benwa [4k\]: zing
spanglish [3k\]: d13
Insidius [1d?\]: f14
palapiku [-\]: c13
]
;W[gh]
;B[hh]
;W[hg]
;B[gf]
;W[ih]
;B[hi]C[ThiGar [3k\]: awesome!
]
;W[jg]C[palapiku [-\]: ...
shenzhen [3d\]: w is so good
palapiku [-\]: poor b
spanglish [3k\]: now res
ivank [3k\]: horrible
Jinni [1k\]: gotta love instant replay
palapiku [-\]: w blew his house down
]
;B[eh]
;W[kf]C[gogonuts [5d\]: free lesson for b
palapiku [-\]: ouch
palapiku [-\]: b still might become pro
Geng: ouch, having to capture those 3 stones for that?
gogonuts [5d\]: and w still gets J11
gogonuts [5d\]: b has probably seen enough
spanglish [3k\]: b can j11 now
]
;B[sc]C[palapiku [-\]: i'm sure b is looking forward to the other two games
gogonuts [5d\]: doesnt do enough for b
gogonuts [5d\]: so w will get it in sente
Bauer [1k\]: to one other game
aceace [2k\]: b win
]
;W[qg]
;B[ob]C[plath [2d\]: Bauer :(
palapiku [-\]: hm i didn't realize bbw was kgs 8d
gloooomph [1k\]: bbw is 9d on the account he uses
]
;W[gb]C[spanglish [3k\]: h18
spanglish [3k\]: h18
Geng: doesn't do it
pinpingho [?\]: h18 e18
RoadRage [?\]: nice kyu tesuji here
Geng: lol
]
;B[fb]C[gloooomph [1k\]: it's the best kind of tesuji
gloooomph [1k\]: tesuji that work are so hard to deal with
]
;W[db]
;B[sp]C[CBlue [?\]: ko time
gdghgjd [3d\]: here we go
spanglish [3k\]: at last
CBlue [?\]: 3 step?
gloooomph [1k\]: a 3 step ko is not a ko
palapiku [-\]: i hope b wins this :)
CBlue [?\]: why, palapiku? ^^
]
;W[qb]
;B[rb]
;W[nb]C[palapiku [-\]: w winning the ko is too predictable
spanglish [3k\]: w doesnt care?
Geng: too many steps
]
;B[qa]
;W[ib]
;B[eb]
;W[cb]
;B[gc]
;W[hb]
;B[if]C[SiaBBo [5k\]: looks like a very close game
shenzhen [3d\]: w a lot more points, just depends on ko if it does anything
]
;W[lh]C[wolokom [4k\]: surrender
]
;B[li]
;W[kh]
;B[fr]
;W[bk]C[st: black winning for now
]
;B[ak]C[SiaBBo [5k\]: why white doesnt just play j11?
wolokom [4k\]: yes absolute
Ephemere [3d\]: his 3 stones are dead
SiaBBo [5k\]: it looks like a big spot and he can get it in sente
]
;W[mg]C[Ephemere [3d\]: and j13 ... j11  useless
pinpingho [?\]: j11 not good
Raiden80 [1d\]: better to use it for D13
benwa [4k\]: keep ko threats just in case
SiaBBo [5k\]: or right, j13
SiaBBo [5k\]: oh
pinpingho [?\]: j11 d13
pinpingho [?\]: w lose point
wolokom [4k\]: at least mi ai j 13 so not playable now
]
;B[nh]C[anana: o15 very big
]
;W[ne]
;B[an]
;W[ao]
;B[am]
;W[bp]C[wolokom [4k\]: yes but not big enouph
]
;B[es]
;W[ds]
;B[dg]
;W[ig]C[gloooomph [1k\]: wouldn't b4 be better at c4?
]
;B[bg]C[wolokom [4k\]: ups
spanglish [3k\]: b12
cbc [?\]: This is 1.5 hrs main, right?  How does that compare to asian qualifying tournaments?
anana: w lost ???
]
;W[bh]
;B[cg]C[spanglish [3k\]: asian use 3 hours
Ephemere [3d\]: no, just hurts
]
;W[ag]
;B[ai]
;W[ah]C[gloooomph [1k\]: do all asians uses?e same length gam
pinpingho [?\]: nope
spanglish [3k\]: of course not, thas just the standard
gloooomph [1k\]: what is my es? doing in the middle of my sentence
]
;B[nj]C[gloooomph [1k\]: that is not where I put it
cbc [?\]: Thanks.  Seems these guys play faster than necessary regardless
Ephemere [3d\]: h14 ...
Athanor [-\]: w changed his playstyle? he was killing everything yesterday
palapiku [-\]: today he avoided dying instead
Bauer [1k\]: time for ko ?
gogonuts [5d\]: is w even winning?
]
;W[ki]C[spanglish [3k\]: yes
]
;B[lj]C[gloooomph [1k\]: I count w + 20 - whatever b gets for the ko
shenzhen [3d\]: 9p says w winning about 5 points
gloooomph [1k\]: so if you average my count and 9ps count
gogonuts [5d\]: thx
]
;W[ok]C[gloooomph [1k\]: you get w + 12.5 - half of what b gets for ko
gloooomph [1k\]: sounds about right
benwa [4k\]: I like your system of counting
palapiku [-\]: that's only right if b gets exactly 15 points for ko
Athanor [-\]: is there a ko?
gogonuts [5d\]: but if you weigh the estimates by competence, you get w +5 :-)
]
;B[sk]
;W[nm]C[sy26 [2k\]: ...
spanglish [3k\]: m2
SiaBBo [5k\]: ehh!
Athanor [-\]: there's a weakness here
]
;B[om]C[Athanor [-\]: q9 
sy26 [2k\]: b gets into trouble
Athanor [-\]: is pretty hard
]
;W[pk]C[palapiku [-\]: why trouble, m3 very dead
Athanor [-\]: ko gets huge
Ephemere [3d\]: outch!
Ephemere [3d\]: ko!
wolokom [4k\]: hm 
Ephemere [3d\]: kom on!
gnarf [1k\]: i don't get it^^
gloooomph [1k\]: is it just me or did the ko just huge?
Lake [4k\]: exchange
anana: no ko white take 
o815 [10k\]: b r4?
shenzhen [3d\]: seriously?
]
;B[qp]
;W[sn]C[gogonuts [5d\]: w certainly didnt feel secure - hes starting the apocalypse here
gdghgjd [3d\]: perhaps white has supernice kothreats...
Ephemere [3d\]: things are getting interesting :)
gru [2k\]: d5
palapiku [-\]: apokolypse
anana: r9 
gogonuts [5d\]: its very hard for w to finish the ko ...
]
;B[do]C[gma12 [4k\]: ???
anana: OMG
]
;W[ol]C[Ephemere [3d\]: he better have... direct 45pts ko....
ThiGar [3k\]: ?
Athanor [-\]: time travel
]
;B[qk]C[salu [2k\]: very risky for black to lose the ko
taringa [1k\]: undo ?
Athanor [-\]: tesuji
]
;W[cp]C[blackness2 [2d\]: haha
ivank [3k\]: undo
]
;B[sm]C[gnarf [1k\]: w want to kill middle???
salu [2k\]: can kill
ThiGar [3k\]: f4
Reym [-\]: wow
Lake [4k\]: e4 
shenzhen [3d\]: l2?
Fukurokuji [1k\]: any threat for w?
shenzhen [3d\]: nothing big...
gdghgjd [3d\]: both players lose
salu [2k\]: q14
gloooomph [1k\]: this can only make things more confusing
gma12 [4k\]: time traveling tesuji
Ephemere [3d\]: just wrong timing
gnarf [1k\]: slow motion replay^^
cbc [?\]: Head spinning
palapiku [-\]: like the matrix
]
;W[of]
;B[qo]C[Ephemere [3d\]: p14 
benwa [4k\]: wha?!?!?!
Athanor [-\]: what was that
spanglish [3k\]: i dont get this
Ephemere [3d\]: and so he lost the game...
Athanor [-\]: suicide to res?
gloooomph [1k\]: have faith in andy
Araunt [?\]: fake threat...
Ephemere [3d\]: by trading 30 pts center to 45 pts side
anana: Black is wining now right?
spanglish [3k\]: he surely read this
ThiGar [3k\]: f4 was a huge threat!
gnarf [1k\]: p14 ?
pinpingho [?\]: doesn't p14 kill?
globax [3d\]: it does
palapiku [-\]: it probably does, but b got more?
pinpingho [?\]: w get more
Ephemere [3d\]: it kills but not enough imho
Geng: reading the kill
shenzhen [3d\]: i dont understand at all
pinpingho [?\]: b get around 30
pinpingho [?\]: w get over 40
Geng: center is 40
wolokom [4k\]: q 13?
Geng: side is about 40 as well
Ephemere [3d\]: my mystake, W still waaaaaaaaay ahead
palapiku [-\]: if he kills...
Bauer [1k\]: O11
Athanor [-\]: he killed
Geng: it's dead
gogonuts [5d\]: P14 looks a little to small for w
gogonuts [5d\]: so b winning imo
IstvanV [2k\]: p14 kills
Ephemere [3d\]: "small" ? O_o
pinpingho [?\]: w get's more, how can it be too small...
palapiku [-\]: is w counting
Geng: 15 points of dame, 13 dead stones is 41
gogonuts [5d\]: w might resign here
spanglish [3k\]: w is winning
spanglish [3k\]: says my fuego :)
Ephemere [3d\]: w ahead of the komi....
Insidius [1d?\]: wow ganSheng Shi wins against Andy Liu would be incredible :P
gloooomph [1k\]: I heard w was ahead by 5
USGO1 [-\]: too fast... I'll fill in the moves after... counting...
spanglish [3k\]: >>
gnarf [1k\]: haha
gma12 [4k\]: lol
Geng: uh oh
gdghgjd [3d\]: w+10?
gloooomph [1k\]: can you describe what's happening?
Geng: transcriber failed to follow
MBQ [1k\]: m10 dead?
KFBlitz [1k\]: engame too fast? lol
spanglish [3k\]: p14 next move
Desperis [2k\]: m10 dead or no point to count.
]
;W[ii]
;B[ep]
;W[hf]
;B[ie]
;W[he]
;B[ge]
;W[oc]
;B[oa]
;W[na]
;B[pb]
;W[ri]
;B[qi]
;W[ph]
;B[pf]
;W[pg]
;B[od]
;W[nd]C[aisle [5k\]: come back to #n-m
]
;B[de]
;W[er]
;B[fs]
;W[si]
;B[da]
;W[ca]
;B[ea]
;W[ga]C[USGO1 [-\]: the rest is dame
fps [4k\]: q10
shenzhen [3d\]: and the score is.....?
USGO1 [-\]: w+10.5
Warlord [-\]: Q10
zurine [-\]: tx
spanglish [3k\]: gg
spanglish [3k\]: thx
gnarf [1k\]: thx usgo
taringa [1k\]: thx
ThiGar [3k\]: thx
benwa [4k\]: thank you!
ED002 [11k\]: is m10 really dead?
Aokame [?\]: one more game left?
spanglish [3k\]: or 2
ThiGar [3k\]: 2
shenzhen [3d\]: andy freaking amazing
ED002 [11k\]: it has an eye at m9 and n11
fps [4k\]: point out the two eyes of M10
fps [4k\]: m9 no eye
fps [4k\]: l8 l10 miai
ED002 [11k\]: k thx
Geng: white 96 on the board?
gdghgjd [3d\]: is there another game today?
gogonuts [5d\]: im such a fool, forgot that se can only do jap rules
Abraxas [6k\]: is this game finished?
gogonuts [5d\]: y
Yukontodd [-\]: they play again this afternoon
gdghgjd [3d\]: abraxas, yes it is finished
Yukontodd [-\]: the other bracket is playing now.
Abraxas [6k\]: thank you
]
;B[pj]C[gdghgjd [3d\]: thx, yukontodd
]
;W[oj]C[indianayk [4d\]: w is ahead on the board
Minjhou [-\]: b m8 does not make an eye?
Minjhou [-\]: *l8
Yukontodd [-\]: l8 l10 miai
]
;B[hd]
;W[fa]
;B[fc]
;W[bj]
;B[al]
;W[je]
;B[jc]
;W[hc]
;B[ce]C[Minjhou [-\]: ok
]
;W[rj]
;B[sj]C[Minjhou [-\]: ty
]
;W[eq]
;B[bl]C[Geng: oh 96 for white on the board
Geng: 93 for black
indianayk [4d\]: w lost a point
]
;W[oe]
;B[]
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anana: Andy now 9p right?
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