(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[5400]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
GN[1st AGA-TYGEMGO Pro Finals - 3A, game 1]PW[Andy Liu]PB[Eric Lui]WR[7d]BR[7d]DT[2012-07-31]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Dennis Wheeler]RE[W+Resign]
;B[pd]
;W[dc]
;B[pp]
;W[dp]
;B[de]
;W[ce]C[petition [2k\]: bbw!
ivank [3k\]: ftw!
petition [2k\]: it's nice of the admins to tell every room when this stuff is starting
flobby [3k\]: is b on kgs?
]
;B[cf]
;W[cd]C[Totti [1k\]: i think he used to be
grumpyjoe [-\]: i am sure
grumpyjoe [-\]: but forgot name
Draxt [2k\]: mirror last names!!!
TurtleDove [4k\]: hmm, isn't W bigbadwolf ?
liusasori [4d\]: wasn't he zchen ?
Totti [1k\]: no
]
;B[fq]
;W[cn]C[huhi5 [4k\]: who is white?
]
;B[dg]C[flobby [3k\]: Andy liu
]
;W[fc]C[quary: who is black then?
]
;B[ck]C[flobby [3k\]: a lot of Africans, African Americans as well as people scattered across the world
]
;W[dr]C[Yukura [-\]: always wanted to see this match up!
ivank [3k\]: why, Yukura?
quary: ohh, that's so complicated
kudou [9d?\]: hes ericdai[9d\]
bolbi [-\]: no
bolbi [-\]: ericdai is dai junfu
flobby [3k\]: kudou has a "?" :O
huhi5 [4k\]: then who is b?
]
;B[jq]C[kudou [9d?\]: ok,seems misunderstanding sorry
joadre [5k\]: pro dans match?
DariusA [3d\]: no qualifier  to become pro in us
Totti [1k\]: this tournament determines aga pro?
DariusA [3d\]: yes 2
Warfreak2 [4d\]: power keyboardmash
Totti [1k\]: and theres only 4 people left?
zeekmund [-\]: andy already won this tournament?
]
;W[qn]C[quary: o4?
USGO1 [-\]: http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-system
quary: usgo1 could you ask them to play faster?
quary: please
Syu [1k\]: elfangor playing!
]
;B[pn]
;W[pm]
;B[qo]
;W[on]
;B[po]C[grumpyjoe [-\]: pianist, i think
grumpyjoe [-\]: to the way earlier question
gloooomph [1k\]: it's mildly amusing that tygem are sponsoring a tournament being broadcasted on kgs
Sheriffi [-\]: No it isn't
Syu [1k\]: someone told b use compendium now
TurtleDove [4k\]: or rather generous to allow it
]
;W[rn]
;B[om]
;W[pl]
;B[ol]
;W[pk]C[sedgwick [5d?\]: Not all the games are showing on KGS, you need to go to Tygen to see many of them
gloooomph [1k\]: oh, that makes sense
flobby [3k\]: but the only ones left are here, right?
]
;B[nn]C[grumpyjoe [-\]: they have pro commetary at tygem, right?
gloooomph [1k\]: ok that's it
gloooomph [1k\]: I'm getting tygem
]
;W[qh]C[blurb1: as they have loosers half still lot guys left
huhi5 [4k\]: is tygem a website?
gloooomph [1k\]: tygem is a go server
blurb1: its server like kgs just bigger
gloooomph [1k\]: I think it probably has a website though
Warfreak2 [4d\]: and with many very strong players
gloooomph [1k\]: is it really bigger than kgs?
gloooomph [1k\]: kgs is pretty big
Warfreak2 [4d\]: kgs is tiny
solgo [5k\]: pro finals. oh yes. thank god i got on right now
Warfreak2 [4d\]: most of the time there's no 8d+ playing
huhi5 [4k\]: what is the web address of tygem?
grumpyjoe [-\]: tygem is biggest server?
gloooomph [1k\]: tygem has 8d+ players playing most of the time?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: top game in EGR right now is 6d vs 5d
Syu [1k\]: Mef: Please note - 1st AGA-TYGEMGO Pro Finals are being Simul broadcast courtesy of Tygem ( http://www.tygembaduk.com/ )
Warfreak2 [4d\]: tygem has pros playing pretty much all the time
gloooomph [1k\]: whoooah
solgo [5k\]: is somebody reviewing or not?
grumpyjoe [-\]: w is playing a tight game
goren2 [3k\]: r14 ?
solgo [5k\]: is this actually a game or is it a review?
gloooomph [1k\]: also while you make tygem sound awesome, having pros constantly doesn't necessarily mean its bigger than kgs
rlaalswo [1k\]: liu vs lui
flobby [3k\]: to be fair, kgs 6d is like tygem 8d
gloooomph [1k\]: does it actually have more people?
flobby [3k\]: but tygem has loads more people than kgs
flobby [3k\]: its not even comparable
goren2 [3k\]: tygem has 40k people playng all the time.  That k meas thousand
gloooomph [1k\]: that's a very large value for k in this context
Warfreak2 [4d\]: tygem 8d is not like kgs 6d
grumpyjoe [-\]: what rank are you on tygem?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i don't play there
grumpyjoe [-\]: warfreak?
grumpyjoe [-\]: oh
Warfreak2 [4d\]: there are a few mid-dan players who get high tygem ranks, because the rank system there has some flaws
]
;B[qf]C[ThiGar [3k\]: Ok, this is still a pro qualifaication tournament. When can we expect  the first american pros to be officially invested by the AGA?
goren2 [3k\]: yay I am pro strength
Warfreak2 [4d\]: but generally tygem dan ranks are not weaker than kgs ranks
odnihs [-\]: yes they are
odnihs [-\]: until 9d
flobby [3k\]: I think we can expect them to have a pretty title and that's about it in the near future...
Warfreak2 [4d\]: on tygem you are promoted for winning a certain number out of your last 20 games
goren2 [3k\]: m4?  017?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: whether or not your opponents were weak or strong for their rank
gloooomph [1k\]: do you know what the number is?
sverre [1d\]: 40k people is overstating it a bit, I think.  There are like 3k people at most in Korea I and China I, and the other rooms are smaller, more like 15k total'
Warfreak2 [4d\]: so if you choose your opponents you can be promoted above your level
odnihs [-\]: 14/20
Warfreak2 [4d\]: the number out of 20 depends on your rank
Warfreak2 [4d\]: it's harder to be promoted to higher ranks
odnihs [-\]: no, it's always 70%
Lake [3k\]: hehe that's how i got to 5k)
flobby [3k\]: wow you got to 5k on tygem? I'm still 18k with 0 wins... got brutally murdered in all my games so far =/
Banaan [1d\]: 3k should be about 1d on tygem
]
;W[ro]C[ThiGar [3k\]: so, still no American pro association in the near future?
DariusA [3d\]: hey is myungwan  commeting this game ?
DariusA [3d\]: on tygem ?
Lake [3k\]: dont play with people that have more wins that loses. they are sandbaggers
Tokedo [1k\]: I'm 3k on tygem with 0/3 score :(
flobby [3k\]: I lose to guys with 0 wins
Banaan [1d\]: im 4d on tygem :/
Sheriffi [-\]: Does someone know if Antti won his game?
Beserious [6d\]: before any pro association you need a big base of players
Banaan [1d\]: try to start on 1d
]
;B[qq]C[Beserious [6d\]: otherwise it would just be a financial wreck 
flobby [3k\]: smartrobot playing on kgs atm!
blurb1: association out of 2 pros still bit small
DariusA [3d\]: how many go players in us ?
goren2 [3k\]: there like must be something huger than s5
goren2 [3k\]: huger
Warfreak2 [4d\]: s5 is sente
Sheriffi [-\]: Anybody?
goren2 [3k\]: what was the threat?
]
;W[kp]C[Lake [3k\]: sorry to hear that flobby, but im sure youll get those guys. tygem kyus are still kuys^^
Warfreak2 [4d\]: if b doesn't r3 then w will
Warfreak2 [4d\]: it's a lot of points
ThiGar [3k\]: but Beserious, wasn't that announced a while back? The advent of the first american pros?
goren2 [3k\]: would that end up as sente for w if he does?
goren2 [3k\]: because  if not, then b could have had 2 tenukis for a small corner
Warfreak2 [4d\]: not just the corner
Warfreak2 [4d\]: compare b r3 with w r3 q3 q2 p2 r2 
OnlyTenuki [4k\]: k4
Warfreak2 [4d\]: if w gets this then the bottom side also isn't really b territory
goren2 [3k\]: but say b played k6 after s5 - would he not get a big side center instead?
DariusA [3d\]: this game looks so awesome already
]
;B[jp]
;W[kn]C[DariusA [3d\]: is myungwan gonna comment it later ?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: k6 too slow
DariusA [3d\]: does someone know ?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: corners, then sides, then centre
Mef [-\]: later, yes
DariusA [3d\]: later when ? :p
Warfreak2 [4d\]: it's no good taking a centre moyo in the opening if your opponent can take the corner territory in order to reduce you
Mef [-\]: 10:30 edt
DariusA [3d\]: i see thx
goren2 [3k\]: ok.  good advice, tks
Warfreak2 [4d\]: k6 not a very large moyo for sure
blurb1: comment is seperate on korea1 , games are in aga room
Warfreak2 [4d\]: and unless you give w the corner in sente, the side isn't yours because there's still a clamp or just a huge endgame hane-push-connect
ThiGar [3k\]: corners-sides-center always holds true
goren2 [3k\]: oth the bottom you mean?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: yes
goren2 [3k\]: ok
goren2 [3k\]: got it
USGO1 [-\]: USGO2: 1st AGA-TYGEMGO Pro Finals Match 3A game 1 between Andy Liu and Eric Lui will be commented by Mr. Myungwan Kim 9P in Tygem Korean 1 Server at 10:30 ET
]
;B[lp]
;W[pb]C[grumpyjoe [-\]: that's in korean or english?
Beserious [6d\]: I trust in the boys to make it a bloody game 
DariusA [3d\]: in english
ThiGar [3k\]: Again, I don't understand: why is this tournament called "Pro" when there are as yet no pros. Who are the pros?
goren2 [3k\]: having pro's in america will defintely raise the level of go.  
Ojisama [-\]: are these two brothers =)?
grumpyjoe [-\]: guess i am making an account
Warfreak2 [4d\]: it's for people to become pro
Warfreak2 [4d\]: pros also don't play in the pro exam
Justus [7k\]: server is full..
DariusA [3d\]: thigar   it's a pro qualifier   a tournament to choose 2 pros in us
bobstep [5k\]: Ojisama, no, the names are not the same
Ojisama [-\]: thx bob
rlaalswo [1k\]: guys what time is it now in ET? ET from USGO sais..
Ojisama [-\]: for kor1 try later
Ojisama [-\]: it's gonna be less congested in 1h30
Mef [-\]: 9:45 ET right now
ThiGar [3k\]: ah ok!! it's for people to become pro, hence my earlier question (move 20sth): When can we expect the whole process to select the first amercan pros to be completed?
goren2 [3k\]: will there be a pro circuit like in asia?  Will there be a league?  Any info we can read about aga pros?
rlaalswo [1k\]: thx Mef
Mef [-\]: Saturday evening Thi
Mef [-\]: http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-system
goren2 [3k\]: tks
DariusA [3d\]: bon pour les français  je traduis  myungwan commentera la partie à 16h30
goren2 [3k\]: my go Tygem is gonna get rich from this
goren2 [3k\]: my god
maniprad [11k\]: Darius, pas de systeme pro en france ou en europe ?
rlaalswo [1k\]: the players seem to be all Asian-Americans(Canadians) excet Methew Burrel
HoTing [3d?\]: who is winning this tournament?
DariusA [3d\]: non pas de système pro en europe  pas assez de joueurs et pas assez d'argent
rlaalswo [1k\]: Andy has most wins
maniprad [11k\]: je m'en doutais, merci de ta reponse
rlaalswo [1k\]: merci de ta reponse == thanks for the response?? I understood french!
maniprad [11k\]: yes 
HoTing [3d?\]: lol
]
;B[qi]C[goren2 [3k\]: if b wants to give up corner, what is better - p17 or o10?
HoTing [3d?\]: is Eric the younger bro?
goren2 [3k\]: o17 i mean
]
;W[pi]C[blurb1: getting rich from free accounts still not easy its ur choice xD
rlaalswo [1k\]: Liu != Lui
rlaalswo [1k\]: can't be bros
HoTing [3d?\]: oh I see
goren2 [3k\]: if they have exclusive rights to broadcast pro qualifiers, then they will probably do it via some paid service
HoTing [3d?\]: I'm can't read
TurtleDove [4k\]: only typp bros
TurtleDove [4k\]: typo
bobstep [5k\]: lui is lei in mandarin
Beserious [6d\]: you're can't write too 
blurb1: i just look at curtis game its free i guarantee^^
HoTing [3d?\]: :(
]
;B[pc]
;W[ob]
;B[qb]C[Stable [4d?\]: I thought these were being broacast exclusively on tygem, how come they're allowed here too?
odnihs [-\]: why not lol
Stable [4d?\]: Not that I'm complaining ;)
]
;W[rb]C[goren2 [3k\]: too early for s18?
Mef [-\]: tygem gave permission for some games to be rebroadcast
]
;B[qc]
;W[qg]C[Stable [4d?\]: thanks mef
goren2 [3k\]: free advertising for tygem on kgs.  awesome strategy.  Good business sense
pikadonk [2d\]: s18 standard, either makes aji or yose, depends on black's answer
yamesh [8k\]: yes xD
ThiGar [3k\]: kgs is a japanese server. Is tygem a korean server?
dullah12 [3k\]: kgs is a japanese servewr?
ThiGar [3k\]: kiseido
dullah12 [3k\]: server*
dullah12 [3k\]: oh yeah
dullah12 [3k\]: i forgot it was publishing of keseido
Stable [4d?\]: KGS is US based no? Kiseido just sponsored for a while.
]
;B[mc]C[dullah12 [3k\]: oh
]
;W[rf]C[rlaalswo [1k\]: tygem, wbaduk(cyberoro), dashn are Korean Servers
dullah12 [3k\]: figured there were more us ploayers
Stable [4d?\]: it's not Kiseido Go Server anymore anyway, it's the KGS Go Server
ThiGar [3k\]: aren't just the physical servers in the US?
goren2 [3k\]: I'm gonna get me some Tygem Inc stocks. 
Warfreak2 [4d\]: to put trolls in?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: and throw tomatoes
rlaalswo [1k\]: there is no Tygem Inc Tygem is from "TongYang Online"
]
;B[kl]
;W[kc]C[TurtleDove [4k\]: I like the way W keeps switching direction
DariusA [3d\]: w has a lot of cash
Bauer [1d\]: that is the way, how bbw makes a game complicated
]
;B[lc]
;W[ho]C[Bauer [1d\]: a lot of move, that have multi usuage
]
;B[in]
;W[hq]C[goren2 [3k\]: h8?
blurb1: like flooding the board with aji xD
blurb1: l16 quite big i think
rlaalswo [1k\]: anyone betting this game on Tygem?
FrenchDude [?\]: I bet 10k on w
blurb1: bets just started new after move 50 
Banaan [1d\]: 10k euros, i hope
Bauer [1d\]: new greek drachme ?
ThiGar [3k\]: Greeks are with the euro
Bauer [1d\]: still tomorrow ?
]
;B[gm]
;W[ir]
;B[jr]
;W[fo]C[grumpyjoe [-\]: does anyone here have a  that doesn't mind answering a questiontygem account 
grumpyjoe [-\]: whoops
grumpyjoe [-\]: does anyone have a tygem account
Bladecrest [-\]: yeah
grumpyjoe [-\]: that doesn't mind answering a question
goren2 [3k\]: so b really winning here eh?
matsutoya [12k\]: got one but havent used it yet, and still cant see this game live either for some reason
bobstep [5k\]: I don't mind, but prob couldn't answer
blurb1: u went to aga room?
goren2 [3k\]: f6
grumpyjoe [-\]: thanks, i'll use pm
]
;B[fn]
;W[go]C[kitsune [-\]: f15 
goren2 [3k\]: god I'm good
goren2 [3k\]: k13 now
gooooo [3k?\]: who are playing?
Sisley [4k\]: what is k13 supposed to do ?
blurb1: liu vs lui
goren2 [3k\]: arbitrary moyo making top side move
gooooo [3k?\]: Andy is white?
Bauer [1d\]: not k13 !
blurb1: yep
Sisley [4k\]: k13 does nothing
]
;B[ge]
;W[io]C[gooooo [3k?\]: thanks :-)
goren2 [3k\]: i'll play you this very game with k13 as my move and crush you
]
;B[jo]C[Sisley [4k\]: sure
kitsune [-\]: but not me
Mef [-\]: options-> clone game, you two can settle this there (=
kitsune [-\]: no need
goren2 [3k\]: done
Sisley [4k\]: b settled this for us
goren2 [3k\]: some play sissy
goren2 [3k\]: come play
]
;W[fe]C[Bauer [1d\]: w await bbw center magig
kitsune [-\]: lol. I surrender to your superior go skills. ><
]
;B[ff]
;W[gd]C[ThiGar [3k\]: big lead to black?
Bauer [1d\]: no
kitsune [-\]: not sure f14 was better than g16 
Bauer [1d\]: center still hlf open
]
;B[he]
;W[kd]C[gooooo [3k?\]: white looks nice
petition [2k\]: such calm play
blurb1: raise some p18 aji not so calm
ThiGar [3k\]: L16 is an attacking move
TurtleDove [4k\]: W anywhere from L10 to L13 next
petition [2k\]: it struck me as calm because of the f15 sequence before it -  i probably would have l16 right away
labebe: l14
hakankhan [3k\]: k14 looks ok
DariusA [3d\]: what is da next move ?
DariusA [3d\]: myungwan is gonna comment on tygem in 1 minute
kitsune [-\]: he's looking at h16 l14?
Bauer [1k\]: left side still a bit open
]
;B[dm]C[kitsune [-\]: that surprises me
]
;W[nd]C[kitsune [-\]: and this is why
Bauer [1k\]: i suspected b d7
]
;B[nc]
;W[lb]C[kitsune [-\]: d8 maybe
kitsune [-\]: d7 e8 
rlaalswo [2k\]: Darius, myungwan commentary started? at what server?
weiqidevil [-\]: korea1
rlaalswo [2k\]: I'm in Korean1 but cant find the room:(
weiqidevil [-\]: it is room423
weiqidevil [-\]: opened by MWKim9P P9D
]
;B[qe]C[placif: they are pro i think ?
]
;W[oc]C[spanglish [3k\]: they want to
rlaalswo [2k\]: thanks weiqi
dsfjdegh [4k?\]: Please find "F".
weiqidevil [-\]: ^^
dsfjdegh [4k?\]: EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEFEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
petition [2k\]: *ban
dsfjdegh [4k?\]: Please find "E"
dsfjdegh [4k?\]: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFEFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFff
placif: :s   ?...
rlaalswo [2k\]: can usgo1 ban him?
yamesh [8k\]: thanks
rlaalswo [2k\]: banned..
Bauer [1k\]: i do not understand b's moves
]
;B[le]
;W[od]C[rlaalswo [2k\]: yungils explaining:)
]
;B[mf]
;W[of]C[rlaalswo [2k\]: oh myungwan not yungil, sorry
spanglish [3k\]: what is he saying
]
;B[ra]C[rlaalswo [2k\]: me?
]
;W[re]C[YangXu [4d\]: where is gil's commentary?
]
;B[rd]C[YangXu [4d\]: in aga room on tygem?
Beserious [6d\]: how come bigbadwolf is losing ?
rlaalswo [2k\]: I'm in Korea1 server to see
Sisley [4k\]: so goren was wrong
goren2 [3k\]: you lost
goren2 [3k\]: so you were wrong
Nathan [5k\]: all I can see is the Explanation about move 140.. on Tygem 
weiqidevil [-\]: mr. kim said that white was ahead
Sisley [4k\]: hum
Sisley [4k\]: even if u won, u were wrong
Tokedo [1k\]: room # 423 in Korea 1
rlaalswo [2k\]: also said black was good at opening
]
;W[jf]C[goren2 [3k\]: really?  You diead massively in the center, and out of the goodness of my heart I let you live
Sisley [4k\]: i was alive in the center
goren2 [3k\]: you were dead
Sisley [4k\]: u even said i was lucky
goren2 [3k\]: lucky to live.  
goren2 [3k\]: cause it was dead
Sisley [4k\]: :)
]
;B[og]C[Sisley [4k\]: u should learn to admit that u might be wrong
]
;W[id]C[goren2 [3k\]: not only did I win, but I also killed your center stones within my moyo.  Then you lucked out when I went greedy.  Where was I wrong?
Sisley [4k\]: u didnt kill a thing cause they were alive
]
;B[nf]C[Draxt [2k\]: can't you speak about it someplace ppl care ?
Sisley [4k\]: ur right draxt
fakeyou [1d\]: its semi-final?
Sisley [4k\]: yep :)
Leaves [16k\]: who's leading?
gacua [1d\]: white seems better
Sisley [4k\]: i think w has more secure territory
solgo [6k\]: it's been over an hour. is this a review or the actual game?
weiqidevil [-\]: this is the actual game
iwin [3k\]: these games take much longer than an hour
weiqidevil [-\]: review is on tygem
rlaalswo [2k\]: the time limit is 90mins each.. 
base [-\]: how are they running the tournament? one round knockout?
Sisley [4k\]: they each have 1h30
Leaves [16k\]: each?
solgo [6k\]: ok. so time is frozen on my computer
Leaves [16k\]: same
ThiGar [3k\]: is the commented game on tygem or kgs?
Sisley [4k\]: its frozen from everyon
solgo [6k\]: and i know they can be over an hour. just didn't expect it
Sisley [4k\]: cause its retransmission
base [-\]: yeah demo mode you can't use the timer
rlaalswo [2k\]: me frozenn too
Leaves [16k\]: oh
solgo [6k\]: ok
spanglish [3k\]: w connects under
Leaves [16k\]: so if they each get 90 min does that mean the game can last for 3 hours total?
Sisley [4k\]: its only 15 points
Draxt [2k\]: n15 overplay?
Sisley [4k\]: wouldnt it be big to go inside the moyo ?
pantyshot [6k\]: more than 3 hours, don't forget the byo-yomi
]
;W[pg]C[spanglish [3k\]: there is 1 min byo
Leaves [16k\]: oh yeah i forgot
petition [2k\]: 40 sec byo, no?
rlaalswo [2k\]: 1minx5
]
;B[pf]
;W[oe]C[Sisley [4k\]: is there any way for people who dont have windows or an ipad ?
rlaalswo [2k\]: way for what?
Sisley [4k\]: (about tygem's review)
pantyshot [6k\]: korea1 is full anyways..
]
;B[nb]
;W[ng]C[rlaalswo [2k\]: maybe wine can work in Linux
solgo [6k\]: wine won't work on my mac
Medriel [1k?\]: uh oh
]
;B[oh]
;W[mg]C[solgo [6k\]: tygem for people with macs means two things. buy crossover and hope it works. or use the ipad
spanglish [3k\]: oh my
Beserious [6d\]: war begins
Sisley [4k\]: im on linux actually...
solgo [6k\]: lucky. so you can try wine
]
;B[lg]C[solgo [6k\]: i can use wbaduk with wine on my mac. but not tygem
]
;W[ni]C[Sisley [4k\]: does w play always have this "of course" feeling ?
]
;B[nh]
;W[mh]
;B[mi]
;W[lh]C[iwin [3k\]: is the review in korea1 or AGA server?
Tokedo [1k\]: korea1
]
;B[oi]
;W[kg]C[Sisley [4k\]: seki ?
arunasr [?\]: I have crossover on my mac, does anyone know if that will run tygem??
primevoice: w gets moyo
]
;B[pj]
;W[ri]C[Beserious [6d\]: w destroys b potentiel 
Beserious [6d\]: and is ahead in points
Beserious [6d\]: that's good
spanglish [3k\]: can w save his group?
primevoice: left b moyo be small
Sisley [4k\]: i dont get why w didnt play p10 first ?
]
;B[qj]
;W[rj]C[primevoice: o10 move after
primevoice: <maybe
]
;B[qk]
;W[rl]C[Sisley [4k\]: thats sure but that way q10 was not open to b, and as p10 was sente, w could still play l13 then ?
spanglish [3k\]: w doesnt think, just like when he plays in kgs
Beserious [6d\]: doesnt b need to come back on p18? 
Beserious [6d\]: o10 and upper situation miaï? 
solgo [6k\]: p18? there's a white stone on p18
Sisley [4k\]: the p18 group
ivank [3k\]: 6k>6d
ThiGar [3k\]: are both groups going to fall?
spanglish [3k\]: cant fall both
Sisley [4k\]: they would need a third player to make them fall both
gacua [1d\]: black seems to be the fallen.
]
;B[rg]C[pantyshot [6k\]: 1 player can have more than 1 group..
]
;W[rh]C[Sisley [4k\]: i really dont get w not playing p10 before l13
klabauter [2d\]: what was the status of o17 ?
pantyshot [6k\]: 4k doesn't get 7d's moves... surprise surprise 
Berodan [2k\]: o10 and m16 miai for white?
dliu301 [2k\]: f w m16...
]
;B[nj]
;W[pe]C[Berodan [2k\]: so white's p16  lives
ivank [3k\]: 9d
dliu301 [2k\]: 0o
dliu301 [2k\]: he filled in his own lib
dliu301 [2k\]: or he has another plan?
spanglish [3k\]: exactly..
dliu301 [2k\]: zzz
Sisley [4k\]: its sente filling :)
spanglish [3k\]: after this is just makes sense if w kills the corner
]
;B[kh]C[kitsune [-\]: o17 looks alive
Beserious [6d\]: sacrifice? 
Sisley [4k\]: o17 looks dead
dliu301 [2k\]: lol
ThiGar [3k\]: holly calf!
kitsune [-\]: oO
dliu301 [2k\]: plus the corner too?
spanglish [3k\]: exotic game
Beserious [6d\]: b tyring is best
Bauer [1k\]: huge sacrifice ?
]
;W[lf]C[gacua [1d\]: black sacrifices BOTH group
spanglish [3k\]: if w takes b lives with t18
Bauer [1k\]: and b get a huge center
]
;B[li]
;W[lg]C[pantyshot [6k\]: s19 still lives after r16, doesnt it
dliu301 [2k\]: it doesnt if w plays t18 
gacua [1d\]: b must T18
MicMac [2d\]: black must close center
klabauter [2d\]: k13 ofc
dliu301 [2k\]: he can't seal center in sente though
]
;B[jg]
;W[kf]C[pantyshot [6k\]: he didn't sacrifice it then
arunasr [?\]: O17 dead now??
pantyshot [6k\]: as long as he has sente
MicMac [2d\]: o17 dead yes
klabauter [2d\]: j13 
kitsune [-\]: nice squeeze
]
;B[sb]
;W[jh]C[Bauer [1k\]: j13 sagt der klabautermann
dliu301 [2k\]: still had to go back and rescue his corner
Beserious [6d\]: over
kitsune [-\]: was the center worth more than the corner?
primevoice:  w won
BongoBob [6k\]: w is bbw ?
gacua [1d\]: really ?
Jayy [-\]: yes
BongoBob [6k\]: mmk. i thought so..
gacua [1d\]: does eric lui resign?
arunasr [?\]: soon
spanglish [3k\]: liu vs lui
Jayy [-\]: these games are really important so he'll probably play longer than he would usually
]
;B[do]
;W[co]C[petition [2k\]: d7 losing move
]
;B[ep]
;W[eo]C[Bauer [1k\]: no
dliu301 [2k\]: no hesitation from bbw
]
;B[dq]
;W[dn]C[petition [2k\]: bauer, you disagree?
spanglish [3k\]: c3
Bauer [1k\]: yes, bbw would have invaded at d8
petition [2k\]: but don't you think something to reinforce the upper left was more urgent?
Bauer [1k\]: and the w territory would be bigger than moyo
petition [2k\]: *upper right
]
;B[gr]C[primevoice: w won
Beserious [6d\]: e2
]
;W[hr]C[Beserious [6d\]: ha :)
gacua [1d\]: black is dead to me
spanglish [3k\]: poor black
]
;B[cr]
;W[er]C[Sisley [4k\]: ko ?
spanglish [3k\]: just dead
dliu301 [2k\]: c4 e3
Ojisama [-\]: why is he poor? he did his best
Bauer [1k\]: @petition b could defend at p17
]
;B[eq]
;W[bq]C[spanglish [3k\]: he isnt economically stable
ru5d [7d\]: live
klabauter [2d\]: one cannot live just from aji
Sisley [4k\]: b disagree with his dead status
solgo [6k\]: is the board flipped for me?
solgo [6k\]: cause people are saying black could play at p17 or p18 and stuff. on my screen those are already taken
klabauter [2d\]: solgo, yes but comments are flipped too...
]
;B[br]
;W[cq]C[BongoBob [6k\]: b looking for a place to resign?
solgo [6k\]: comments are flipped?
Beserious [6d\]: d1? 
spanglish [3k\]: f2 a2
Beserious [6d\]: e1
spanglish [3k\]: i see it alive now
dliu301 [2k\]: d1 looks good
Beserious [6d\]: uh no d1 best
Ojisama [-\]: it's dead
]
;B[ds]
;W[ar]C[dliu301 [2k\]: b1
isbhal [3d\]: ko
Beserious [6d\]: w got tricked
Bauer [1k\]: ko ?
ivank [3k\]: lol
spanglish [3k\]: ko
]
;B[bs]
;W[es]C[Beserious [6d\]: game complicated again
petition [2k\]: such a good game...
ru5d [7d\]: but its not enough for black
gacua [1d\]: or it's in "of course" sequence again
CarterKane [5d\]: b has ko threats in the right
dragking [1k\]: w is bbw 
dragking [1k\]: btw
ivank [3k\]: ftw
klabauter [2d\]: and does b play on kgs?
]
;B[fs]
;W[cs]C[dragking [1k\]: dunno
Beserious [6d\]: isnt he the flying pig? 
Leaves [16k\]: how far a lead does white have?
]
;B[qd]
;W[me]
;B[ds]
;W[ch]C[rlaalswo [2k\]: What is looking for a place to resign?
Beserious [6d\]: w's gonna launch an attack during the ko
Sisley [4k\]: cant b ignore this ?
]
;B[bf]
;W[cs]C[CarterKane [5d\]: ko is worth 40 points
around1d: f b ignore this he can lose all hes moyo
CarterKane [5d\]: he doesn't have much of a moyo anyway, due to k12
]
;B[rk]
;W[sk]
;B[ds]
;W[bl]C[Leaves [16k\]: really?
GoFilmaker [4k\]: bold ko threat
spanglish [3k\]: yes
Bauer [1k\]: take
klabauter [2d\]: w easily brings this one home
Sisley [4k\]: i think w counted and will have enough with this
spanglish [3k\]: b still has threats
spanglish [3k\]: around t8
]
;B[bk]
;W[cs]C[around1d: too many weaks in this moyo to respond any threat
]
;B[sl]
;W[sm]
;B[ds]C[Sisley [4k\]: he will have to drop sth sooner or later
]
;W[cl]C[Beserious [6d\]: c12 lost many points 
Sisley [4k\]: but for now he looks ok with those threats trades
Beserious [6d\]: w just need a yose in exchange of the ko and he wins 
Sisley [4k\]: d9 ?
]
;B[dk]
;W[cs]C[CarterKane [5d\]: but b bottom is very large
]
;B[sj]C[around1d: lol
around1d: new ko
Beserious [6d\]: not sure it's a threat
Ojisama [-\]: a smaller one
]
;W[si]C[gacua [1d\]: is a big threat
around1d: be sure its a threat)
]
;B[ds]C[CarterKane [5d\]: even if white ignores i think he can make life for both groups
dliu301 [2k\]: yeah
]
;W[sc]C[dliu301 [2k\]: after b takes, start with r8 sente
dliu301 [2k\]: and then capture at t13
dliu301 [2k\]: oh wait
dliu301 [2k\]: not sente :O
solgo [6k\]: is connecting at L11 big enough to be considered a ko threat? i mean if white doesn't capture at h13 black can exted to h13 and finish his moyo
]
;B[fr]C[Beserious [6d\]: wow 
]
;W[sa]C[Beserious [6d\]: bigger ko
dliu301 [2k\]: game over
Sisley [4k\]: bigger ?
around1d: yes bigger
solgo [6k\]: biggest
Beserious [6d\]: maybe not bigger
klabauter [2d\]: l11 too small to win the game no?
Sisley [4k\]: isnt it worth the same amount of points ?
]
;B[bp]
;W[bo]C[CarterKane [5d\]: I'm not so sure about that
spanglish [3k\]: why bigger
CarterKane [5d\]: b now has new ko threats in the bottom left
]
;B[sb]
;W[fg]C[solgo [6k\]: he has not center really anyway due to the double atari
Sisley [4k\]: can still escape one of the atari as a threat ?
]
;B[ee]
;W[fd]C[dliu301 [2k\]: but then afterwards
solgo [6k\]: really?
dliu301 [2k\]: w can jump as a ko threat
dliu301 [2k\]: and cause lots of damage
solgo [6k\]: yeah
]
;B[gf]
;W[sa]C[klabauter [2d\]: l11 now enough
Sisley [4k\]: t13 ?
spanglish [3k\]: t13 1 eye
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: t13 not a threat
]
;B[ap]
;W[cp]
;B[sb]C[fakeyou [1d\]: go w!!!
Nemesis [6d\]: w already win
solgo [6k\]: yep
solgo [6k\]: i would've resigned a long time ago
Sisley [4k\]: lol
spanglish [3k\]: lol
spanglish [3k\]: i bet you would
primevoice: e13
solgo [6k\]: lol
]
;W[ok]C[solgo [6k\]: even a pro probably couldn't get b in the elad
solgo [6k\]: lead*
solgo [6k\]: so i'm pretty sure almost anyone would
]
;B[rc]
;W[nk]C[Sisley [4k\]: apparently b disagree with u
solgo [6k\]: not sh*t sherlock
solgo [6k\]: no sh*t sherlock*
]
;B[ml]
;W[ki]C[solgo [6k\]: but still doesn't mean he is right
Sisley [4k\]: indead dr watson
palapiku [-\]: b didn't get to play in a pro qualifying tournament by resigining a lot
klabauter [2d\]: SE got b ahead :)
Shana [4d?\]: SE using AGA rules
solgo [6k\]: yeah i know that. but i'm just saying. most people woul've resigned. it looks pretty hopeless for black
Warfreak2 [4d\]: SE is very strong so SE can make b win, but unfortunately it won't tell us how
]
;B[mk]C[Dubstep [1k\]: p10 ?
solgo [6k\]: SE?
spanglish [3k\]: k1
Sisley [4k\]: p10 q12 ?
Shana [4d?\]: p10 pretty small gote
Syu [1k\]: p10 big enough?
palapiku [-\]: is 7d the highest AGA rank?
solgo [6k\]: i think it's 8d
Dubstep [1k\]: e13 ?
Kanin [-\]: g12?
spanglish [3k\]: p10 has t13 following
Shana [4d?\]: theres higher but not really official
spanglish [3k\]: aga ranks dont have limits
yamesh [8k\]: black is winning
]
;W[gi]C[Sisley [4k\]: 1p is highest aga rank starting of tomorrow :)
DariusA [3d\]: b is winning indeed
solgo [6k\]: what?
DariusA [3d\]: even myungwan say it's gonna be difficult for w
spanglish [3k\]: oops
yamesh [8k\]: myungwan = pro ^^
December [1d\]: winner becomes pro?
Syu [1k\]: aga pro
solgo [6k\]: i don't see how w is losing
]
;B[fi]C[spanglish [3k\]: not yet pro
Tokedo [1k\]: 9p says that b is winning
solgo [6k\]: yeah i've got that
klabauter [2d\]: myungwan is 6p, right?
]
;W[gh]C[blurb1: http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-system
Syu [1k\]: 8p afaik
solgo [6k\]: no myungwan is 9p
BongoBob [6k\]: myungwan is 9p.
solgo [6k\]: pretty sure
yamesh [8k\]: how much pros will be 'made' by this tournment?
gooooo [3k?\]: where is he commenting+?
BongoBob [6k\]: 2
Tokedo [1k\]: 2 pros
Dubstep [1k\]: how often will the tournments be?
Damasippus [7k?\]: Let's see, 6d kgs versus 8d pro ... hmmm ... difficult
SunPin [21k\]: names?
]
;B[fj]
;W[oj]C[solgo [6k\]: nice
]
;B[ii]
;W[kj]C[Dubstep [1k\]: h13 ?
SunPin [21k\]: can aga pros get weaker? or is like nihon ki-in? Pro for life?
]
;B[hg]
;W[ij]C[spanglish [3k\]: all pros are for life
Dubstep [1k\]: h11 
]
;B[hj]
;W[ih]C[Sisley [4k\]: and they dont get weaker
Dubstep [1k\]: ah i see. nice move.
Dubstep [1k\]: h11 h12 j9 ?
]
;B[ik]C[Sisley [4k\]: people around r just improving
]
;W[hh]C[Dubstep [1k\]: e13
solgo [6k\]: wow black might actually be in the lead
solgo [6k\]: yea it seems to be
SunPin [21k\]: can one get weaker within pro ranks? like english premier league?
Dubstep [1k\]: black has been in the lead for a long time.
solgo [6k\]: lol now i really feel like i'm a bad player
gacua [1d\]: I doubt white next move will be Q12
solgo [6k\]: lol i haven't been watching
solgo [6k\]: i'm doing school right now
]
;B[ac]C[Sisley [4k\]: ouch
solgo [6k\]: yeah
]
;W[eg]C[Dubstep [1k\]: e13 
]
;B[ef]C[Dubstep [1k\]: :)
]
;W[eh]
;B[dh]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: 9p says a lot of things
]
;W[bc]C[Dubstep [1k\]: I see
]
;B[bm]
;W[cm]
;B[al]C[blurb1: 9p says b made mis and is loosing again
blurb1: f11
BrandonB [12k?\]: Is a live stream up for this?
DariusA [3d\]: F11 is the miss indeed
]
;W[en]C[solgo [6k\]: ok
Sisley [4k\]: a17 the mis ?
Beserious [6d\]: w ahead by komi
]
;B[ph]
;W[ql]C[USGO1 [-\]: black resigns here
Sisley [4k\]: when is the final taking place ?
SunPin [21k\]: q11
Kanin [-\]: cute
Sisley [4k\]: thx usgo for streaming
spanglish [3k\]: this is best of 3 series
odnihs [-\]: it's best 2 out of 3
BongoBob [6k\]: thanks for the broadcast, usgo
arunasr [?\]: Why are they replaying these sequences?
petition [2k\]: thanks for streaming! this was grat
GoFilmaker [4k\]: hmm, are all the aga pros gonna be Asians who are North American citizens?
palapiku [-\]: thx
Minjhou [-\]: q11 is big capture SunPin
Beserious [6d\]: s3 looks bigger
Beserious [6d\]: but maybe w doesnt want ko
CarterKane [5d\]: why not m9 first to test black?
iwin [3k\]: huh
iwin [3k\]: what is b doing
DariusA [3d\]: it was a crazy gaùe
DariusA [3d\]: game*
arunasr [?\]: Is this game over??
])
