(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[5400]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
GN[1st AGA-TYGEMGO Pro Finals - 2C, Game 2]PW[Yuan Zhou]PB[Hugh Zhang]WR[7d]BR[6d]DT[2012-07-30]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Todd Heidenreich]RE[B+17.50]
;B[dp]
;W[pp]
;B[ec]
;W[pc]
;B[cd]
;W[qe]
;B[dj]
;W[jd]
;B[nq]
;W[lq]
;B[no]
;W[qn]
;B[kp]
;W[lp]
;B[lo]
;W[kq]
;B[jp]
;W[jq]
;B[ip]
;W[hq]
;B[hp]
;W[gq]
;B[gp]
;W[gc]
;B[fq]
;W[fr]
;B[er]
;W[mo]
;B[mn]
;W[mp]
;B[ln]
;W[eq]
;B[fp]C[camaron [1d\]: why do they haveless time than in previous game?
]
;W[dr]
;B[iq]
;W[es]C[USGO2 [-\]: same amount of time - 90 minutes, 5/60 byo-yomi
gnarf [1k\]: do you meen the game from egc? not same tournament
USGO2 [-\]: Not EGC.
camaron [1d\]: oops
camaron [1d\]: sorry
camaron [1d\]: and thanks
]
;B[po]C[USGO2 [-\]: np
H16 [2d\]: do these 2 have accounts on kgs? If so, what are they?
USGO2 [-\]: Look for USGO1 and USGO2 at top of active games tab.
USGO2 [-\]: not sure what the players accounts on KGS are...
cjalden [2k\]: Yuan Zhou teaches as Jaguar on KGS
]
;W[qp]
;B[ir]
;W[np]
;B[dq]
;W[cq]
;B[cp]
;W[bq]
;B[op]
;W[oq]
;B[oo]
;W[pq]
;B[nr]C[Gorim [3k\]: so much thinking about next move?
bert [3d\]: if w n2 b will cut thru r5, s6 
]
;W[or]
;B[ls]C[alfi [4k\]: n2
]
;W[ks]
;B[kr]
;W[ms]
;B[lr]C[LSF [?\]: w dead
Gorim [3k\]: hmm resign?:(
LSF [?\]: w had a ko
]
;W[pj]C[Gorim [3k\]: this is terrible
Gorim [3k\]: really white has any chances to win this game?
gnarf [1k\]: ouch
base [-\]: still a chance 
gnarf [1k\]: before o2 i thought w is good :P
base [-\]: not a big one but yeah a chance
]
;B[ki]C[rintaun [?\]: w still has an okay chance to win
rintaun [?\]: though that definitely hurt a lot
]
;W[kg]C[Gorim [3k\]: guess Yuan counts on having smaller but more solid "moyo" and than live inside blacks one...
kurii [2d\]: this game is on a pretty huge scale
]
;B[bp]
;W[ap]
;B[ao]
;W[aq]
;B[ih]
;W[ch]
;B[ci]
;W[eh]
;B[fi]
;W[bi]
;B[bj]
;W[ce]
;B[dd]
;W[bd]
;B[bc]
;W[di]
;B[cj]
;W[li]
;B[lj]
;W[mi]
;B[pb]
;W[qc]C[gnarf [1k\]: r17 looks ambitious
]
;B[kh]
;W[lg]
;B[ql]
;W[qj]
;B[ic]
;W[jc]
;B[dg]
;W[df]
;B[eg]C[liusasori [4d\]: look very hard for w now..
rintaun [?\]: yes it does...
]
;W[ef]
;B[fg]
;W[cg]
;B[ff]
;W[bf]
;B[ad]
;W[ae]
;B[be]
;W[mr]
;B[jr]
;W[bd]
;B[jb]C[pwaldron [-\]: I think if I was black I would have just finished the ko
resignplz [1d\]: lol how did b get such a big wall?
]
;W[ac]
;B[kc]
;W[lb]C[primevoice: w resgin?
]
;B[kb]C[Hollumber [6k?\]: black kicked butt since the beginning. white should play this through, maybe?
]
;W[mc]
;B[kd]
;W[fd]
;B[ab]
;W[bb]
;B[ad]
;W[id]
;B[hc]
;W[ac]
;B[gb]
;W[cc]
;B[md]
;W[nd]
;B[me]
;W[ne]
;B[mf]
;W[fb]
;B[fc]
;W[gd]
;B[hb]
;W[eb]
;B[hd]
;W[ge]
;B[nf]C[pwaldron [-\]: wonder if black regrets not finishing the ko instead of defending on the bottom at K2?
]
;W[ig]
;B[hg]
;W[jh]C[Mysto [?\]: i dont see B losing this game
]
;B[ji]
;W[jg]C[pwaldron [-\]: agreed, but it seems like this way has many complications and room for mistakes
]
;B[he]C[pwaldron [-\]: but maybe taking the ko would be a losing move...dunno
volatile [4k?\]: yuan zhou is female, correct?
pwaldron [-\]: no
volatile [4k?\]: oh, sorry
volatile [4k?\]: are there any females in this tournament?
]
;W[hh]C[Hollumber [6k?\]: o18 will be nice
]
;B[ii]C[volatile [4k?\]: would be nice to have a male/female pro pair
pwaldron [-\]: don't think so voltatile, although I don't know who Sooil kim is
volatile [4k?\]: ty
]
;W[hf]C[volatile [4k?\]: andy won his game
dullah12 [3k\]: f-14
dullah12 [3k\]: g-14 not f-14'
jaww: g13 is ok
]
;B[gg]C[volatile [4k?\]: dullah, ctrl+[right click on intersection\]
kolayn112 [3k\]: g14!
Mysto [?\]: g13 g14 j14 
Mysto [?\]: probably?
jaww: g14 j15 
]
;W[if]
;B[ee]
;W[gf]
;B[dc]
;W[db]
;B[de]
;W[cf]
;B[fe]
;W[mg]
;B[pf]C[volatile [4k?\]: man w looks cooked
fuzydunlop [1k\]: w resign here?
fuzydunlop [1k\]: this insurmountable at this point...
]
;W[rg]
;B[mj]C[Mysto [?\]: i agree, nows about time to resign
volatile [4k?\]: poor b
colas [8k\]: or kill something
]
;W[og]C[volatile [4k?\]: poor w* 
colas [8k\]: somehow...
fuzydunlop [1k\]: what do you suggest he kills?
]
;B[of]C[colas [8k\]: n14 ? ^^
Mysto [?\]: r8! lol
colas [8k\]: or r8^^
ivan1988 [1k\]: a18
colas [8k\]: a18 safe
]
;W[nj]C[fuzydunlop [1k\]: a18 aji close to being active
Mysto [?\]: wonder when B will cut o17?
]
;B[pm]
;W[dh]
;B[fh]
;W[bo]
;B[cn]C[grumpyjoe [-\]: was there a play at m17 before p13, p14?
Hollumber [6k?\]: a18 aji? what aji? o.O
fuzydunlop [1k\]: read deep hollumber
]
;W[bm]C[ivan1988 [1k\]: lol
Hollumber [6k?\]: there's no aji, i'm pretty sure >.>
fuzydunlop [1k\]: : p
]
;B[cm]C[grumpyjoe [-\]: a18 is the deadest stone i've ever seen
Mysto [?\]: not true
Hollumber [6k?\]: ah, ok, there is related chat above, haha. ><
Mysto [?\]: "looks at the counter under the names"
Mysto [?\]: those are the deadest stones ive ever seen
inte [?\]: thanks to a18, b19 can make the c18 ko threat very big ... ok, it's useless :)
DrGoPlayer [3k\]: b only needs 3 moves to revive it  :-)
]
;W[bn]C[ivan1988 [1k\]: poor a18
pwaldron [-\]: black trying to keep A5 on the board so that B2 is a threat
]
;B[bl]
;W[nk]
;B[qf]
;W[rf]C[Mysto [?\]: well i spose... its still a good game lol
]
;B[oc]
;W[nc]
;B[od]
;W[ob]C[Zeit [1k\]: Is Andy Liu the only one who plays in KGS ?
]
;B[pd]
;W[qb]
;B[gr]C[volatile [4k?\]: no
]
;W[cs]C[volatile [4k?\]: i for one play on kgs
]
;B[ml]C[gnarf [1k\]: is there any website for this event?
volatile [4k?\]: http://www.usgo.org/news/category/events-aga-tygemgo-online-pro-prelim/\\
volatile [4k?\]: http://www.usgo.org/news/category/events-aga-tygemgo-online-pro-prelim/
ivan1988 [1k\]: why not w j19 or sth?
gnarf [1k\]: thx
]
;W[ke]C[volatile [4k?\]: j19 is free points to b
]
;B[lc]
;W[mb]
;B[ia]
;W[rm]C[Hench [3k\]: o1
]
;B[rl]C[USGO1 [-\]: http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-system
]
;W[pn]C[USGO1 [-\]: we just got this page up today, and its still under development, so there may be errors
]
;B[nl]
;W[ei]
;B[ej]C[fuzydunlop [1k\]: w ~ 68.5, b ~ 87 by my count
fuzydunlop [1k\]: somehow se has w + 10?
papabob [11k\]: Great page.  Thanks USGO1.
fuzydunlop [1k\]: am i missing something?
]
;W[rk]C[Hench [3k\]: black eating leaisurely imho
Mysto [?\]: mmmmm
]
;B[ph]
;W[qh]C[lucifer3 [2k\]: annoyin for w
]
;B[pg]C[grumpyjoe [-\]: so tonight is round 2 second game?
Mysto [?\]: fuzy i dont think ur counting was accurate
DrGoPlayer [3k\]: b by about 10 on board less komi
Mysto [?\]: ah.. forgot no komi lol
DrGoPlayer [3k\]: o1 and b12 miai
]
;W[oh]C[alexandroz [6k\]: dont you count the stones too
alexandroz [6k\]: by aga rules
]
;B[pi]C[fuzydunlop [1k\]: w 68.5 a second time, b 86 a second time
lucifer3 [2k\]: in usgo webpage it say  that w+12.5
lucifer3 [2k\]: ıs this game already finished<?
]
;W[sl]C[USGO1 [-\]: that's gor yesterday's game 1... this is game 2
USGO1 [-\]: *for
]
;B[oi]
;W[ni]C[lucifer3 [2k\]: ooh so
]
;B[qm]C[USGO1 [-\]: fuzy... KGS' Score Estimator is buggy with area based rulesets, such as AGA
fuzydunlop [1k\]: ah, gotcha
]
;W[qo]C[fuzydunlop [1k\]: thank you usgo
]
;B[om]C[grumpyjoe [-\]: i thought is was buggy period
server [-\]: o1?
fuzydunlop [1k\]: it is, but its pretty accurate when its not scoring living groups dead or vice versa
pwaldron [-\]: has to defend o10 first
]
;W[ng]
;B[qi]
;W[ri]
;B[qd]
;W[rd]C[fuzydunlop [1k\]: b12 getting big
]
;B[bh]C[grumpyjoe [-\]: oh, for completed games?
]
;W[mk]
;B[lk]C[gnarf [1k\]: Thx for the website USGO1
]
;W[la]
;B[ka]C[Ilidas [5d\]: o1 comming?
]
;W[ns]
;B[mq]
;W[os]
;B[ep]
;W[er]
;B[on]
;W[gs]
;B[hs]C[Ilidas [5d\]: a13 
]
;W[ah]C[x0000 [-\]: b+10
]
;B[ai]
;W[ag]
;B[co]
;W[al]
;B[ak]
;W[an]
;B[am]
;W[ao]
;B[fa]
;W[ea]
;B[ga]C[Growl3r [11k\]: who is b?
]
;W[ie]C[Narayana [2k?\]: Hugh Zhang
]
;B[lf]
;W[kf]C[fuzydunlop [1k\]: m12 sente
]
;B[qg]
;W[rh]
;B[lh]
;W[mh]
;B[pe]
;W[re]
;B[ok]
;W[pk]
;B[oj]
;W[pl]
;B[qk]
;W[le]
;B[ol]
;W[rj]
;B[al]
;W[fs]
;B[ld]
;W[bg]
;B[bi]C[x0000 [-\]: 15.5
]
;W[ed]
;B[oe]
;W[]
;B[]
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grumpyjoe [-\]: thanks us go
ARRGHHH: w 4 four corners, four groups
ARRGHHH: b one big center group
isbhal [4d\]: black win
DrGoPlayer [3k\]: rules say no komi?
spanglish [3k\]: 7.5
USGO2 [-\]: Black wins the game by 17.5
Narayana [2k?\]: thanks scribe
spanglish [3k\]: thx
DrGoPlayer [3k\]: tx
USGO2 [-\]: thanks for watching. Look for more games this afternoon starting at 4:00 pm EDT.
gnarf [1k\]: thX
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