(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[5400]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
GN[1st AGA-TYGEMGO Pro Finals - 2A, game 2]PW[Andy Liu]PB[Jianing Gan]WR[7d]BR[6d]DT[2012-07-30]EV[http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-system]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Dennis Wheeler]C[maciek [3d\]: hello
volatile [?\]: yay
volatile [?\]: good game
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[pd]
;W[dc]
;B[pq]
;W[dq]
;B[qk]
;W[co]
;B[jq]C[volatile [?\]: the format for these finals is weird
volatile [?\]: what's it called?
cjalden [2k\]: looks like double elimination
volatile [?\]: okay
volatile [?\]: ty
maciek [3d\]: both are korean?
cjalden [2k\]: probably neither
volatile [?\]: no
grumpyjoe [-\]: cool
volatile [?\]: i think gan is canadian
volatile [?\]: liu is american
grumpyjoe [-\]: this must have been what bbw was training for on kgs a while back
ARRGHHH: which one is bbw
aiken23 [7k\]: Is there a website that can give me more information on these games?
]
;W[kp]C[grumpyjoe [-\]: andy liu
volatile [?\]: check usgo1 info
grumpyjoe [-\]: i'm pretty sure
ARRGHHH: 7d? thought he was 9d
volatile [?\]: 7d aga
ARRGHHH: ranking system difference? 
volatile [?\]: 9d kgs
ARRGHHH: ah ok
aiken23 [7k\]: Im on a phone and I want general information on whole event. 
Reym [-\]: check http://www.usgo.org/
Bauer [1d\]: intersting move of w
]
;B[jp]C[maciek [3d\]: is it old shusaku style move?
USGO1 [-\]: http://www.usgo.org/news/2012/07/178302/
rlaalswo [1k\]: L4 doesn't look old
irrcava [7k\]: isnt k4 more common instead of k3?
volatile [?\]: only as old as it feels
volatile [?\]: i think k4 might be better
irrcava [7k\]: or is it a standard response to d3 c5 shape?
rlaalswo [1k\]: there are total 4 AGA games running on Tygem including these two in KGS
volatile [?\]: the k3 area is a good point with the shimari
volatile [?\]: so b took it for himself
volatile [?\]: but i think k4 may have been better for b
]
;W[ko]C[irrcava [7k\]: but k4 is better with q3 r9
]
;B[jo]C[K5 [1k\]: K5 looks too good to me
]
;W[kn]
;B[lr]
;W[po]C[Bauer [1d\]: bbw seems to think. that k4 would have been better, because he played L4
K5 [1k\]: K6?
asdf1122: Is the tournament just a bunch of bo1 games?
volatile [?\]: bo1?
]
;B[oo]C[bobstep [5k\]: early fight
maciek [3d\]: not really
ARRGHHH: unfavorable for both sides
]
;W[on]C[maciek [3d\]: very true
]
;B[no]
;W[pp]
;B[oq]C[asdf1122: Best of one = bo1
]
;W[qm]
;B[mm]
;W[qq]
;B[qr]C[SIscurge [5d\]: black looks better?
maciek [3d\]: hard to say
]
;W[rq]C[volatile [?\]: depends on w 3 stones, imo
maciek [3d\]: but i dont see how whitel4 l5l6 stones works here
Architect [5k\]: p8 
maciek [3d\]: so think balck better
Architect [5k\]: or o9
Architect [5k\]: even o10
Cassis0 [5d\]: is andy liu big bad wolf? 
volatile [?\]: yes
Cassis0 [5d\]: cool
Cassis0 [5d\]: b stands no chance then 
grumpyjoe [-\]: b seems kinda strong too
volatile [?\]: b will attempt to make a moyo made of straw
Architect [5k\]: o10!
volatile [?\]: less time for the games today? the games yesterday at 150m each
]
;B[de]C[Tyro [5k?\]: Maybe they just filled out the timer in KGS wrong.
volatile [?\]: k6 seems important
volatile [?\]: that is why i asked, tyro
]
;W[cg]C[camaron [1d\]: volatile this is not EGC lik 150m games
camaron [1d\]: different tournament
volatile [?\]: i'm aware
volatile [?\]: yesterday the games on tygem had 150m each
camaron [1d\]: ouch ok
]
;B[ic]C[volatile [?\]: np, ty for your answer
]
;W[qf]
;B[qe]
;W[pf]
;B[nd]
;W[pi]
;B[cc]
;W[cd]C[bobstep [5k\]: volatile, if you were talking to Andy, you would have said, "I'm aware, wolf."
]
;B[dd]
;W[ce]
;B[cf]C[volatile [?\]: bob, do not pun here for the next 24h
bobstep [5k\]: k
ARRGHHH: c14 joseki ?
]
;W[bc]C[maciek [3d\]: i dont know
grumpyjoe [-\]: americans are allergic to puns
fakeyou [1d\]: ofc c14 is joseki
maciek [3d\]: ty
i2i3 [12k?\]: c17 follow up..
]
;B[be]
;W[cb]
;B[bd]C[maciek [3d\]: ah of course i know this joseki, i didnt see a shape correctly:)
]
;W[cc]
;B[df]
;W[fc]C[maciek [3d\]: but b17 is a new move for me
volatile [?\]: it's in kogo's. for what it's worth
base [-\]: not much
base [-\]: kogo has a lot of out of date joseki's
volatile [?\]: good enough for most amateurs
]
;B[ok]
;W[rr]C[i2i3 [12k?\]: what about pro?
volatile [?\]: i doubt pros use kogo
maciek [3d\]: they dont need joseki
volatile [?\]: pros are joseki
Cassis0 [5d\]: kogo is so outdated 
Cassis0 [5d\]: you can use it untile like 1d-2d
Cassis0 [5d\]: after that basic josekis are usually known
maciek [3d\]: i am pretty sure i dont know 80% of kogo josekis
]
;B[nn]C[Cassis0 [5d\]: probably 
maciek [3d\]: but i am the weakest 3d on kgs^^
Cassis0 [5d\]: but kogo has nothing about popular josekis we play today 
primevoice: b won
volatile [?\]: i have pie. if you stop talking about kogo's i will distribute aforementioned pie
Cassis0 [5d\]: those kind of josekis which appears all the time in your games
]
;W[mi]C[goejgo [13k\]: hi
ivan1988 [1k\]: so where do we look them up?
volatile [?\]: they'll find you, ivan
goejgo [13k\]: hi
]
;B[nf]C[goejgo [13k\]: ARGHHH
ivan1988 [1k\]: lol
goejgo [13k\]: ARGGHHH
goejgo [13k\]: ARGHHH
volatile [?\]: stop.
goejgo [13k\]: ok
fabric [4k\]: are they 7p ?
volatile [?\]: no
mate105 [3d\]: did Andy win the last game?
]
;W[mk]C[volatile [?\]: they are amateurs
goejgo [13k\]: yes
volatile [?\]: yes, he did, mate
volatile [?\]: http://www.usgo.org/news/category/events-aga-tygemgo-online-pro-prelim/
mate105 [3d\]: thanks volatile
goejgo [13k\]: no thier pro
grumpyjoe [-\]: what does pro finals mean?
volatile [?\]: this is for the fthe aga pro program
goejgo [13k\]: i dont know
volatile [?\]: the winner (and maybe 1st runner up) become the first aga pros
volatile [?\]: they will be able to play in korean domestic tournaments
grumpyjoe [-\]: nice
Cassis0 [5d\]: p7 is easy 
Cassis0 [5d\]: w needs to protect around o12
i2i3 [12k?\]: b need to find good timing to play on the left
]
;B[nj]
;W[ni]C[goejgo [13k\]: does AGA stand for amerrican go association
fakeyou [1d\]: w is bbw?
Cassis0 [5d\]: this move seems to help w 
Cassis0 [5d\]: and gives b a bad shape 
i2i3 [12k?\]: b want to split but seems not ..
]
;B[mj]
;W[lj]C[i2i3 [12k?\]: cut.
maciek [3d\]: 7d AGA is xd EGF?
]
;B[li]
;W[nl]C[volatile [?\]: probably 7d egf as well
ARRGHHH: group is not strong enough for this fight
Cassis0 [5d\]: this is pretty violent
Cassis0 [5d\]: no compromise 
i2i3 [12k?\]: equal.. maybe
Cassis0 [5d\]: l10 sente for w helps a lot 
i2i3 [12k?\]: b maybe preparing for moyos on center as backup plan
ARRGHHH: p8 ?
]
;B[oi]
;W[oh]
;B[oj]
;W[nh]C[Gerbiili [2d\]: m9 
Cassis0 [5d\]: "preparing for moyos on center" sounds like the worst strategy ever 
gober [6d\]: "killing thickness might be worse"
Cassis0 [5d\]: klling thickness happens pretty much in pro games
Cassis0 [5d\]: :)
grumpyjoe [-\]: cut seems only option
Gerbiili [2d\]: cut and kill is always the only option
Marek [5d\]: 7d AGA -> 5-6d egf
grumpyjoe [-\]: 7d is highest rank in aga, right?
Marek [5d\]: no
ARRGHHH: seems bad for b
grumpyjoe [-\]: oh
i2i3 [12k?\]: very  bad
Marek [5d\]: b can connect
bobstep [5k\]: Marek, with the cut?
]
;B[om]C[Marek [5d\]: W looks more solid...
]
;W[qj]C[resignplz [1d\]: connected now
]
;B[pm]
;W[rk]
;B[qn]
;W[rm]
;B[lk]
;W[kj]
;B[kk]C[primevoice: b +15
volatile [4k?\]: marek, that's such bullshit :-)
goejgo [13k\]: hi
Bauer [1d\]: b + 15 is wrong, very wrong
]
;W[qc]
;B[qd]C[Gerbiili [2d\]: w+7.5
]
;W[gq]C[goejgo [13k\]: cassi0 hmmm... have i played him
goejgo [13k\]: this is replay?
]
;B[bg]C[Gerbiili [2d\]: aga tygem pro baduk thingie
]
;W[jn]C[mthd [-\]: and which player represents aga ?
Gerbiili [2d\]: both
rintaun [?\]: both are AGA
mthd [-\]: ok thanks
rintaun [?\]: it's a game in the american pro qualifier finals
]
;B[jj]
;W[ki]C[mthd [-\]: one of them will become pro in america, right ?
Gerbiili [2d\]: yup
huk: two from a field of 16
]
;B[cm]
;W[lh]C[dinosaur [1k\]: how will the new pros earn money
Gorim [3k\]: still not sure
Gerbiili [2d\]: it is just the beginning of aga pro thingie
mthd [-\]: @dinosaur: lessons ;)
]
;B[cq]C[dinosaur [1k\]: but they can already make money by giving lessons
mthd [-\]: yup
Gerbiili [2d\]: ofcourse aga pros will not be on the bar with korea/china/japan for a long time
]
;W[dp]
;B[gp]
;W[hp]C[DBDNW [8k\]: You can basically make more money by giving lessons as a pro. As you will be an official reconized pro and at all right?
DBDNW [8k\]: Also do pro's not gain money automtaically with any pro tournament that they enter?
Gerbiili [2d\]: people pay you to come to tournaments
Gerbiili [2d\]: and you can say with great dignity like in hng "ore wa puro"
bobstep [5k\]: will the winners become 1p, or what?
dinosaur [1k\]: people pay asian pros extra for lessons and to come to tournaments because they are strong
dinosaur [1k\]: will they pay american pros if they are not as strong?
Gerbiili [2d\]: ofcourse
bobstep [5k\]: but in asia, not many playing pros give lessons, until they quit playing
Laman [1d\]: i am a bit sceptical
]
;B[fq]C[dinosaur [1k\]: well presumably if they are having this tournament the aga has some plan
Ranchan [-\]: I think it was tygems idea and tygem is sponsoring it
]
;W[fp]
;B[go]
;W[fr]C[dinosaur [1k\]: I guess a sponsor makes things easier
]
;B[hq]
;W[eq]
;B[gm]C[emre35 [4d\]:  bad for white
primevoice: b won
emre35 [4d\]: no not yet
]
;W[il]C[primevoice: h9
dinosaur [1k\]: andy lui is just reeally good at getting out of difficult situations
dinosaur [1k\]: he set this up deliberately because he gets uncomfortable when his groups aren't dying
Bauer [1d\]: everything else of bbw is extremely solid
]
;B[ik]
;W[gl]C[grumpyjoe [-\]: does anyone know if b plays on kgs?
sgk [2k\]: and white ?
primevoice: f8 only
dinosaur [1k\]: w plays as hjeksdighjsifhjghhsksioslskdhjsiske
zife [-\]: also known as bbw
sgk [2k\]: thx dinosaur
sgk [2k\]: zife too
zife [-\]: btw it's 'hjekshdf'
dinosaur [1k\]: I'm pretty sure he has like 6 accounts because he types it in differently every time
gooooo [3k?\]: who are playing?
aiken23 [7k\]: They is
]
;B[hl]
;W[hm]
;B[hk]
;W[hn]C[gooooo [3k?\]: who are?
Ranchan [-\]: b+r
primevoice: ya
primevoice: b won
primevoice: h5
gooooo [3k?\]: against who?
dinosaur [1k\]: they are andy lui and jianing gan
gooooo [3k?\]: ah Andy lost?
dinosaur [1k\]: no andy lui
minimalist [1k\]: b has a kgs account?
grumpyjoe [-\]: seems no one knows
Ranchan [-\]: h5 only move
dinosaur [1k\]: he's probably one of the mysterious new 9ds who crop up every week
]
;B[fm]
;W[gn]C[minimalist [1k\]: maybe
gooooo [3k?\]: they should release tygem for android
grumpyjoe [-\]: w connected
primevoice: g16 so big
grumpyjoe [-\]: b super moyo in progress
dinosaur [1k\]: I've seen better
bert [3d\]: h5 f6 e7 
primevoice: k12?
dliu301 [2k\]: f6 sacrifice 2 stones but get sente
]
;B[hg]
;W[ob]C[grumpyjoe [-\]: b gained a lot
alfi [4k\]: 60
bobstep [5k\]: but l4 living cost him a lot too
]
;B[nb]
;W[dm]C[grumpyjoe [-\]: this was the big hole
dinosaur [1k\]: l4 was never not going to live
grumpyjoe [-\]: sacrifice f7
]
;B[dl]
;W[em]
;B[cn]
;W[el]C[Bauer [1d\]: bravo bbw
Bauer [1d\]: bravo bbw
grumpyjoe [-\]: bbw smells weakness
]
;B[bo]
;W[oc]
;B[nc]
;W[rc]
;B[od]
;W[pc]
;B[gb]
;W[fb]
;B[ek]
;W[bp]C[primevoice: f8
aiken23 [7k\]: F8 f9
]
;B[fn]C[Bauer [1d\]: f8 ws a joke
grumpyjoe [-\]: f8 ok?
aiken23 [7k\]: Thanks for clarifying
]
;W[fl]C[grumpyjoe [-\]: eat it all
Bauer [1d\]: typical bbw
Bauer [1d\]: eat small children
]
;B[do]
;W[en]
;B[cp]
;W[dk]
;B[cl]
;W[fj]
;B[ej]
;W[ei]
;B[dj]
;W[gi]C[primevoice: l13
Muttley [2k\]: Is this being played live?
rintaun [?\]: yes
]
;B[ro]
;W[qo]
;B[pn]
;W[rn]C[dinosaur [1k\]: I think its just seki
Muttley [2k\]: thank you rintaun, is it over the board or on the internet?
bobstep [5k\]: they are in North Carolina I think mutt
Muttley [2k\]: thanks bob
]
;B[kf]
;W[di]
;B[ci]
;W[na]
;B[ma]C[grumpyjoe [-\]: man, no more undos
hisaokun [?\]: Oh boy
]
;W[oa]
;B[lb]
;W[jl]
;B[jk]
;W[cr]C[hisaokun [?\]: Someone dun goofed
]
;B[gc]
;W[re]
;B[rd]
;W[sd]C[primevoice: f12
]
;B[pk]
;W[ql]C[volatile [4k?\]: .
]
;B[bq]
;W[hr]
;B[ho]
;W[fo]
;B[ip]
;W[ir]C[rintaun [?\]: i wish this showed how much time each had left
]
;B[op]
;W[qp]C[alfi [4k\]: just ask the host
Visi [13k?\]: is somebody doing a commentary on this?
croc [-\]: b leads 12,3 pts on board
alfi [4k\]: haha
rintaun [?\]: i think some of the games will have commentary, but i dont know about this one
]
;B[fh]
;W[fi]C[alfi [4k\]: f19
]
;B[fa]
;W[ea]
;B[ga]
;W[fd]
;B[br]
;W[ch]C[alfi [4k\]: b11
]
;B[bi]C[alfi [4k\]: h16 ?
]
;W[hf]
;B[if]C[volatile [4k?\]: i think the commentary is on tygem only
volatile [4k?\]: if b loses he is out of the tournament. w can take a loss
zeku [1k\]: yes 9p commentary now
alfi [4k\]: what is tygem ?
Zachmura [3d\]: what does 9p say?
volatile [4k?\]: tygem is a primarily korean go server
volatile [4k?\]: go to http://www.tygembaduk.com to download the english client
alfi [4k\]: thx, but not for Android
Zachmura [3d\]: and how much time left?
alfi [4k\]: j15
grumpyjoe [-\]: who does the pro think is winning?
]
;W[me]
;B[lg]C[volatile [4k?\]: it's clear who is winning
grumpyjoe [-\]: i count very close game
Uksus [5k\]: b has some more, nope?
rintaun [?\]: very close, but i think b is ahead
Hollumber [6k?\]: who's the wolf? andy?
]
;W[kg]C[volatile [4k?\]: w is winning
alfi [4k\]: depends on endgame
]
;B[mg]C[volatile [4k?\]: trust in the wolf
]
;W[ie]
;B[eb]
;W[da]C[volatile [4k?\]: andy is the wolf
Hollumber [6k?\]: y?
]
;B[je]C[volatile [4k?\]: why?
]
;W[ig]C[volatile [4k?\]: dinosaur, go be extinct
]
;B[jf]C[Hollumber [6k?\]: ah cool
]
;W[ge]C[dinosaur [1k\]: he plays on kgs as megawolf
dinosaur [1k\]: because he is a million times as good at go as a wolf
dinosaur [1k\]: volatile that's hurtful you made me cry
volatile [4k?\]: hollumber, his kgs nick is bigbadwolf
volatile [4k?\]: dinosaur just has a brain the size of a pea and can't remember this things orrectly
alfi [4k\]: hehe
Hollumber [6k?\]: dinosaurs had very big brains.. o.O
grumpyjoe [-\]: when i become 9di will make a account with the name "brickhouse"
Muttley [2k\]: please don't insult dinosaur
Muttley [2k\]: he has been dead 168 million years, after all
dinosaur [1k\]: it's ok I don't have the brain power to notice
Hollumber [6k?\]: grumpyjoe, what if i make it right now? :P
volatile [4k?\]: i can't help it if he is an inferior species
]
;B[gf]
;W[he]
;B[ff]C[dinosaur [1k\]: everyone is being nice to me right?
]
;W[dh]C[Muttley [2k\]: yeah you're good :)
Hollumber [6k?\]: dinosaurs had to be killed by a meteor. We're so stupid, we'll kill ourselves, lol
alfi [4k\]: thats sad
volatile [4k?\]: dinosaurs weren't smart enough to kill themselves. a species killing itself is the ultimate achievement a species can attain
bobstep [5k\]: I thought you morphed into birds
volatile [4k?\]: species species species... in case i didn't say it enough
]
;B[jr]
;W[bh]C[Hollumber [6k?\]: yes, that's why i'm predicting d2
]
;B[ah]C[dinosaur [1k\]: birds are dinosaurs we glued wingds onto as a joke
Fiara [4k\]: Who is interpreting this game?
]
;W[cj]
;B[ck]
;W[bj]C[volatile [4k?\]: looks like the joke was on you
volatile [4k?\]: stupid dinosaur
Hollumber [6k?\]: it's only the ultimate achievement if they are doing it after losing the will to live. Not if they are just stupid or violent or.....volatile.  o.o
dinosaur [1k\]: well the plan was that 65 million years later nuclear tests would set the sky on fire and burn them all
dinosaur [1k\]: but our calculations must've been off
stonecold [1d\]: muttley : the extinktion of dinos was 65 mio. years ago 
Zachmura [3d\]: i wouldn't expect this from myself, but what about sticking to the topic of this game?
okiol [2k\]: haha
volatile [4k?\]: i played chrono trigger. i know dinosaurs aren't as dumb as SCIENTISTS would like us to think
Hollumber [6k?\]: no one's talking about the game, zach.
Hollumber [6k?\]: if anyone wants to, go for it, and we'll stop our chitchat :)
okiol [2k\]: i think that was his point..
volatile [4k?\]: well you can't stick to a topic that didn't exist
dinosaur [1k\]: so does anyone know who's ahead?
stonecold [1d\]: hehe
Hollumber [6k?\]: white's catching up, black still winning, i think
volatile [4k?\]: b seems up a little but i have faith in white
okiol [2k\]: oh now it became a philosofical question?
Hollumber [6k?\]: haha, lol
Hollumber [6k?\]: we are all running around a racetrack. You could be about to lap someone you think is always ahead of you
Hollumber [6k?\]: d2?
Hollumber [6k?\]: what else is there?
Zachmura [3d\]: SE already believes white. and it seems mostly right this time
Zachmura [3d\]: um, after some modifications to the position :)
dinosaur [1k\]: if se just always assumed andy lui is winning it would be 95% accurate
alfi [4k\]: k12 first
volatile [4k?\]: who is andy lui?
dinosaur [1k\]: the other 5% would be due to not knowing which player andy lui is
dinosaur [1k\]: andy lui is a go player, notable for playing go against jianing gan sometimes
volatile [4k?\]: dinosaur is so stupid
alfi [4k\]: stfu volatile
dinosaur [1k\]: I'm flattered that you think I'm smart enough for that comment not to be massively insensistive
volatile [4k?\]: don't swear, alfi
pwaldron [-\]: d2?
volatile [4k?\]: i'm 95% certain you only know what 5% of those words mean, dinosaur
dinosaur [1k\]: d2 is about 5 points
pwaldron [-\]: about the same as q2
]
;B[ai]C[pwaldron [-\]: slightly smaller
]
;W[fk]
;B[dk]
;W[pr]
;B[or]
;W[qs]
;B[jg]
;W[id]
;B[jd]
;W[hc]
;B[hb]
;W[ib]
;B[hd]
;W[jc]C[dinosaur [1k\]: whoah
volatile [4k?\]: omigod
]
;B[qi]
;W[qh]C[Hollumber [6k?\]: goddang o.o
]
;B[ri]
;W[rj]
;B[rf]
;W[se]
;B[gd]C[Hollumber [6k?\]: someone went to sleep, lol
]
;W[hc]
;B[pj]
;W[ph]C[volatile [4k?\]: game must have ended
]
;B[ic]
;W[fe]C[volatile [4k?\]: andy is filling in the blanks
]
;B[jb]
;W[hc]
;B[in]
;W[im]
;B[ic]C[Hollumber [6k?\]: don't worry, us, happens to all of us
]
;W[gg]
;B[ec]
;W[hc]C[dinosaur [1k\]: I don't get it, if they didn't put these moves on at the time how do they know what they were now?
]
;B[sf]C[volatile [4k?\]: i think this happened andy's first game as well
]
;W[sc]
;B[ic]C[Hollumber [6k?\]: oh, and showing proper endgame?
]
;W[hh]C[volatile [4k?\]: i'm assuming, i don't know, of course
Hollumber [6k?\]: ah, kk
USGO1 [-\]: black resigns here
Hollumber [6k?\]: just playing it out, i guess
volatile [4k?\]: ty for the game
Hollumber [6k?\]: wtf...good game, i guess
dinosaur [1k\]: thanks for broodcostong
grumpyjoe [-\]: pretty clear now
Hollumber [6k?\]: what hapened with so many moves at once?
volatile [4k?\]: hollumber, don't be hard on the scribe. it is difficult to keep up with ko fights and fast moves
volatile [4k?\]: hollumber, read my speculation
Gucky [2k\]: thanks, USGO
dinosaur [1k\]: well that all makes sense
bobstep [5k\]: that's gross
volatile [4k?\]: you can alsways download the game and replay it
grumpyjoe [-\]: thanks usgo
Hollumber [6k?\]: sorry, US, I didn't mean to sound derisive. thank you for relaying the game :)
volatile [4k?\]: not quite sure why b resigned, yet
Beserious [6d\]: w+ R
Beserious [6d\]: oh already over
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