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GN[4th AGA Pro Qual Finals Elimination round Aaron Ye (W) - Eric Lui (B)]PW[Aaron Ye]PB[Eric Lui]WR[7d]BR[7d]DT[2016-01-08]EV[4th AGA Pro Qual Finals Elimination round Aaron Ye (W) - Eric Lui (B)]RO[3AG2]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Chris Garlock]RE[B+Resign]
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;W[op]C[TyTaLuS [1d\]: strange to play hoshi on cross fuseki
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;B[kq]
;W[qf]C[darkronin [1k?\]: Is this so fast, live?
Naphthalin [8k?\]: which round is this?
USGO1 [-\]: welcome!
TheDuke [?\]: Gonna see fighting.
USGO1 [-\]: i'm chris garlock, your recorder
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;B[ph]C[Mendieta [8k\]: Also, I seldom see non-parallel fuseki. This game promises to be interesting.
alienist [5k\]: hello
USGO1 [-\]: this is the final; if eric wins, he'll be the aga's new pro; if aaron wins, they'll play again tmw
rog [7k\]: bpnsoir
alienist [5k\]: fighting game-the best
USGO1 [-\]: it's best of 3; eric won in the round-robin
TheDuke [?\]: Wait, isn't the finals best of 5?
KoyoToya [-\]: Yeah it's best of 5
KoyoToya [-\]: I'm pretty sure
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;W[of]C[KoyoToya [-\]: Yeah on the rules it says best of 5
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;B[nd]C[ijoplh: They are out of schedule for bo5 so it got reduced to bo3 I believe
agakenny [3d\]: the color is changing here
agakenny [3d\]: I think Eric is black
kmr [2d\]: shortening from Bo5 to Bo3 limited Ye chances considerably
TheDuke [?\]: bo 5 to bo 3 is shifting the goal posts
HKA [3d?\]: it is hard to say
kmr [2d\]: R8 or R9 or sth there now
HKA [3d?\]: he only has to win two instead of three
HKA [3d?\]: but yeah, he cannot afford to lose one
Muttley [2k\]: I have my doubts Eric is b
kmr [2d\]: HKA, he must win all 2 games, not just 2 games
HKA [3d?\]: right, but he does not have to win 3
HKA [3d?\]: cruel indeed to be unsure of the color...
Muttley [2k\]: Relayer, can you confirm Eric is white?
USGO1 [-\]: my apologies; the colors were switched
Muttley [2k\]: OK, Eric Lui is Black :)
Muttley [2k\]: no worries, thanks for spotting Kenny
Muttley [2k\]: interesting, this didn't seem like a black fuseki he would play
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;W[pj]
;B[nh]C[Muttley [2k\]: ok, this is a fighting fuseki by w
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;W[mf]C[alienist [5k\]: you must know him well
Shinjiro [2k?\]: Anyway w has r12 
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;B[ld]C[Muttley [2k\]: Not so much knowing him well, just a gut feeling that this fuseki is problematic for black
darkronin [1k?\]: W can play this because of the heavy komi
HKA [3d?\]: Eric told me he feels his fuseki is the weakest part of his game
Muttley [2k\]: r5 might be light but black stones are separated
Shinjiro [2k?\]: Ok. Heavy 0,%komi.
Shinjiro [2k?\]: 0,5*
cekalo [1k\]: my money on Aaron
asdk [3k\]: go lu
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;W[qd]C[asdk [3k\]: i
cekalo [1k\]: asdk my man
Muttley [2k\]: q12 is not very popular as a pincer as far as I'm aware because it is so difficult to control the position as b
Shinjiro [2k?\]: cekalo, Auron? :)
asdk [3k\]: lu on second board
Epsilion [4k\]: Lui is OP
asdk [3k\]: cek, go watch
Mendieta [8k\]: OP?
USGO5 [-\]: You can find the latest results and game records on the AGA website: http://www.usgo.org/aga-professional-results-2015
Muttley [2k\]: w wants to settle in sente so he can return to the q10 stone
Mendieta [8k\]: what does OP mean?
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;B[pe]C[Shinjiro [2k?\]: GM
gooooo [?\]: original poster
groobiest: What is the Cotsen Open?
Mendieta [8k\]: overplay?
HKA [3d?\]: no, but the follow up could be, depending
Muttley [2k\]: Very strong open tournament in the States, grooby
Mendieta [8k\]: I meant if OP means overplay
Shinjiro [2k?\]: Anyway GM
TheDuke [?\]: OP means overpowered.
Mendieta [8k\]: thx
gooooo [?\]: he is overpowered by white?
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;W[pf]
;B[qe]
;W[re]C[Mendieta [8k\]: crosscut?
dsaun [-\]: cotsen: http://senseis.xmp.net/?CotsenGoTournament
HKA [3d?\]: huge corner?
groobiest: Thx Muttley, I could Google it I suppose, I just read that link that @USGO5 posted
Muttley [2k\]: w has a ko to reduce later
Muttley [2k\]: ah right
groobiest: Thx dsuan
dsaun [-\]: welcome
Shinjiro [2k?\]: w has a r12 
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;B[rd]C[Muttley [2k\]: so not so big unless b takes a gote or two to fix it
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;W[rg]C[manta [3d\]: i think black will take 
Naphthalin [8k?\]: i don't understand the schedule
manta [3d\]: r17 now
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;B[se]C[Naphthalin [8k?\]: is this the pro final now?
groobiest: Mr. Cotsen seems like a swell chap
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;W[rf]C[Kiren [?\]: Hello Austin.
Mendieta [8k\]: r11 bad move?
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;B[qc]C[Epsilion [4k\]: powwwerful manuver by bbbb
Muttley [2k\]: et voila
HKA [3d?\]: the schedule was flexible, if the best of 3 games went only to two games, there would be time for a best of 5, but they ALL went to three games each round, so no time for best of 5
manta [3d\]: big corner and w not completely connected
HKA [3d?\]: this was stated in the rules at the start
Shinjiro [2k?\]: Mendieta, now r11 small
manta [3d\]: m12 ?
Mendieta [8k\]: I see. and r16 had a lot of aji for later
Shinjiro [2k?\]: manta, yea.
Mendieta [8k\]: so, better take it
TheDuke [?\]: Don't like white position
HKA [3d?\]: i am a profit guy, so I am loving black
Muttley [2k\]: b has weak stones
Shinjiro [2k?\]: Black have good position.
Muttley [2k\]: q6
Kiren [?\]: White's right is nice though.
streetplay [5d\]: i ilke b
TheDuke [?\]: If white protects, black sente.  If white tenuki, very bad aji.
Epsilion [4k\]: b r11 doesn't look so bad
Epsilion [4k\]: sorry *w
groobiest: q6 does seem awfully tempting
Hikky [-\]: black's position seems good to me too.  white r7 next?
Muttley [2k\]: r11 "pass"
Shinjiro [2k?\]: Muttley, q6 or r8.
TheDuke [?\]: R11 is honte, but feels too slow
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;W[qm]C[HKA [3d?\]: does not seem white can allow r8
Muttley [2k\]: r11 is way too slow
Hikky [-\]: *nailed it* : )
Kiren [?\]: White seems overconcentrated on the upper side
gogonuts [4d\]: better start for b
Shinjiro [2k?\]: too ok
Shinjiro [2k?\]: But
groobiest: w should've listened to Muttley
Shinjiro [2k?\]: No right
Shinjiro [2k?\]: q10 strange
HKA [3d?\]: d10
Shinjiro [2k?\]: q6 seems good then it
Muttley [2k\]: q6 had the draw back of - no cash just development
TheDuke [?\]: Really want to hit a big point.
Muttley [2k\]: so its almost an "all in move"
Mendieta [8k\]: kosumi at q6?
gogonuts [4d\]: how about L5?
Shinjiro [2k?\]: Him can trade stone :)
groobiest: then there'd have been q3, q6, q10 which would have been a bit weird?
LoneStar [3d\]: hello dudes , happy new year!
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;B[oo]C[Mendieta [8k\]: happy new year for you too
Shinjiro [2k?\]: Many problems b has
LoneStar [3d\]: thx!
Mendieta [8k\]: fighty game from now on.
gogonuts [4d\]: p5 is rough
Muttley [2k\]: must hane
groobiest: is it only now Jan. 1st where u are Lonestar?
Muttley [2k\]: I wondered about this line and thought that white's thickness was too easy to negate at the bottom by b
Shinjiro [2k?\]: yea
Muttley [2k\]: could be wrong, though, thickness is thickness
Shinjiro [2k?\]: o5 p6 o6  i think so die
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;W[np]C[Muttley [2k\]: hehe :)
Muttley [2k\]: no help for b then
Shinjiro [2k?\]: nah.
gogonuts [4d\]: your fault, muttley
Muttley [2k\]: seems so
gogonuts [4d\]: he couldnt hane after you suggested it
Muttley [2k\]: ;-))
Kiren [?\]: Hard fight for black.
Shinjiro [2k?\]: This Allah power help b ;-))
HW [-\]: you know you've censored too much people when
groobiest: should b have just left r5 for nasty aji?
HW [-\]: you're not following the kibitz at all
gogonuts [4d\]: i though b was fine with just L5
HW [-\]: :/
Kiren [?\]: Two weak groups
gogonuts [4d\]: this now looks pretty unpredictable
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;B[rq]C[Muttley [2k\]: 3 weak grops
Shinjiro [2k?\]: Yes
Gabriel [1d\]: maybe eric is going for ke jie style
Zahlman [1k\]: 3?
Muttley [2k\]: groups, L3 is weakened by the exchange also
calmdown [3d\]: I thought you need more than one to be called a group
Zahlman [1k\]: ... l3 is a group?
Shinjiro [2k?\]: j3 
Alife361 [5k?\]: Mutt is not that best hane teller, comparing with his ko calls. These are absolutely perfect.
Muttley [2k\]: you can have a ko here if youlike
gogonuts [4d\]: have you never heard of the L group?
groobiest: ko?
Muttley [2k\]: r4 ko
Gabriel [1d\]: techincally it's a group if it's closed under a binary operation which is associative with an identity and so on
HW [-\]: white won't play that tho
Kiren [?\]: to risky
Muttley [2k\]: but it is a big ask to take off the b two stones at the top for the ko at the bottom, when they are weak anyway
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;W[no]C[Kiren [?\]: there it is
groobiest: i don't think b L3 is abel for that Gabriel
Kiren [?\]: the attck begins
Muttley [2k\]: yes, Zahlman, L3 is a weak group because b won't let w take it off
Zahlman [1k\]: just p6?
Muttley [2k\]: ;0
gogonuts [4d\]: i think muttley was right that o5 hane was better
Zahlman [1k\]: yeah you're right muttley, I can't imagine b ignoring a pincer there
Hagalaz [3k\]: why play o4 first if you're going to o5 afterwards?
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;B[pm]C[Zahlman [1k\]: because if o5 first, the cut is offered
gogonuts [4d\]: o5 now has 2 downsides
Hagalaz [3k\]: cut is a bit unreasonable isn't it?
gogonuts [4d\]: p5 is light, so b doesnt have to nobi
gogonuts [4d\]: and o4 would be better at n4
Muttley [2k\]: by this move w engineered b taking the base at s2, so effectively b played only a local move instead of a wholeboard move
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;W[ql]C[Muttley [2k\]: if you do a weird "change the move order" approach
visiting: R6
Muttley [2k\]: whereas b would presumably have preferred cut or p6
gogonuts [4d\]: well muttley, there had to be a reason youre only kgs 2k
gogonuts [4d\]: some strange loop in the mind
Muttley [2k\]: yeah, because I'm crap :)
Kiren [?\]: scrub
Hikky [-\]: ooooooo burn
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;B[qn]C[Kiren [?\]: oh snap
alienist [5k\]: aw-not crap
Muttley [2k\]: this can be a good example of how thickness works as a "rotating application" abstract concept, if you like
visiting: if b settle here, what is white left ?
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;W[on]C[visiting: Q6
gogonuts [4d\]: r6 makes r2 a settling move
Muttley [2k\]: white is rotating across b groups as b "forces" him to direct it at each weaker area in turn
gogonuts [4d\]: will connect though
Muttley [2k\]: so L3 is now a little too close to thickness, as a natural development of b trying to settle in the corner
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;B[pn]C[Zahlman [1k\]: yeah, w gets to prepare for bottom side
Kiren [?\]: white is in control of the direction of the game
gogonuts [4d\]: i didnt like p5, but its working for b now, imo
Muttley [2k\]: with the effect that if w really does pincer b now and nobi, w faces the d4 stone in turn
gogonuts [4d\]: b corner doing too well from ws perspective
Zahlman [1k\]: my take is, this is all b's fault, so this must be the kind of game eric wants
Muttley [2k\]: ... and still leaves the o12 stones for later
groobiest: does w need to turn at q8?
Muttley [2k\]: b wants w to have the pressure of having to win and playing catch up, Z
Kiren [?\]: what are the time controls for these games?
Hikky [-\]: no, q8 is not necessary
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;W[nj]C[Zahlman [1k\]: something like that muttley yeah
Muttley [2k\]: et voila
Zahlman [1k\]: neat
Zahlman [1k\]: pressure both sides
Kiren [?\]: Nice move
HKA [3d?\]: very nice
gogonuts [4d\]: b has time to jump, imo
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;B[qr]C[HKA [3d?\]: solve one problem
agakenny [3d\]: b control game so well
Zahlman [1k\]: n11?
Muttley [2k\]: the difficulty with this style for w is that 1) it takes remarkable patience to play "no pressure fluffy moves"
groobiest: n11?
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;W[hq]C[a1328 [3k\]: live after
Muttley [2k\]: and 2) if you are slack, it slips away and you are simply left behind cash wise, so your timing and accuracy have to be spot on
Muttley [2k\]: so I like white's play as an illustration of the more abstract, flowing element of go
gogonuts [4d\]: stupid L5 for me
Zahlman [1k\]: I can't think of anything else really
groobiest: can someone explain why h3 and not j3?
Kiren [?\]: I like whites position better now
Muttley [2k\]: hard not to L5, hence my saying "w nobi (also implied) and face d4"
gogonuts [4d\]: w expects L5 in both cases
gogonuts [4d\]: h3 is easier to handle after that
Zahlman [1k\]: groob I guess no need to be so severe... claim a little more room for the stone
Zahlman [1k\]: with h3, w can later consider a slide to d2 for example, I guess
agakenny [3d\]: L6 then aims N7 next
Muttley [2k\]: L5 H5 L7 C6
HKA [3d?\]: L6 seems better to me
Muttley [2k\]: b could M12 finally here and keep it lighter at the bottom, though
Hobbes [1k\]: this strategy if succesful should make the komy very important for w
agakenny [3d\]: white stones are not effective played
Muttley [2k\]: just trying to cross w's initiative up
groobiest: but b j3 w j4 b k4 w j2 b k2 w k3 and ko now possible
Muttley [2k\]: w will take and connect
Muttley [2k\]: its huge
Zahlman [1k\]: did you consider also h4 in response to j3 though?
Muttley [2k\]: what is the ko threat that doesn't cost points?
groobiest: hmm
Muttley [2k\]: o14?  :)
agakenny [3d\]: or F3 treat L3 lightly due to R2 stone
Shinichi56 [-\]: m5 maybe
agakenny [3d\]: or J4 first, later attach O4 bad shape group
agakenny [3d\]: so many options for b
agakenny [3d\]: attack
groobiest: j4 h4 j6 h5 l6 you mean?
Muttley [2k\]: just L5 here though
HKA [3d?\]: I cannot see J4, semi touching a weak stone
Grunman [5k\]: could be k4, too
Alife361 [5k?\]: Unitl d4 is non-covered, o12 are safe. So white strategy will be have stines like e5 soon
gogonuts [4d\]: maybe eric is hesitating because myungwan kim will comment
Alife361 [5k?\]: stones*
gogonuts [4d\]: and myungwan doesnt like tobis :-)
Shinichi56 [-\]: is myungwan tartrate?
groobiest: what's a tobi? :/
ijoplh: one space jump
gogonuts [4d\]: 1 point jump
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;B[ko]C[Grunman [5k\]: ikken tobi is alwaus good))
groobiest: oof, ok, thx
ijoplh: this
alienist [5k\]: .taking too long-losing track of kibtz
LoneStar [3d\]: the upper right result is 2 points in favor for b
agakenny [3d\]: b aims to attack O4 misshaped group
kmr [2d\]: If it would be Bo5 and assuming both players are even(50% chances to win) Aaron Ye chances to win would be 5/16.In Bo3 his chances now are 4/16, thats a bit less, so changing format from Bo5 to Bo3 limited his chances by a bit(assuming they are even strenght, and i didnt make mistake in compuatations).
agakenny [3d\]: pls read the rule, there is no format changes
Alife361 [5k?\]: L7
LoneStar [3d\]: d2 next
ThiGar [4k\]: kmr, what are Bo3, Bo5?
Hobbes [1k\]: the format is so complex that it does not change, it evolves
gogonuts [4d\]: best of
Herod [-\]: best of 3, best of 5
ThiGar [4k\]: ah!, ty
groobiest: w can peek?
cekalo [1k\]: Lonestar my man
LoneStar [3d\]: pro kibitzer i m 
cekalo [1k\]: who is gonna win?
LoneStar [3d\]: hi cekalo
rayheart [?\]: The sistem is not so strange
rayheart [?\]: i will summarize it
rayheart [?\]: you have to play with everyone
bert [?\]: Bo5 will never beat 7 of 9
rayheart [?\]: and if you are unlucky yoiu can play
groobiest: everyone on Earth?
rayheart [?\]: with the only guy that beat you in next round
rayheart [?\]: the sistem is afterwards you play 1 or 2 games
rayheart [?\]: afterwards 1 or 2
rayheart [?\]: maybe 3
Herod [-\]: That's enough ray
LoneStar [3d\]: D2!!!!!!
Muttley [2k\]: stop pressing enter so much
rayheart [?\]: if you keep winning yo need to get a strange hat
Muttley [2k\]: just explain in one paragraph rayheart
rayheart [?\]: or you lose
Muttley [2k\]: enough.
bert [?\]: i thought he was copypasting the tournament rules
rayheart [?\]: xD
rayheart [?\]: nops they are not clear enough
rayheart [?\]: i tried to understand reading them
HKA [3d?\]: they are pretty clear
HW [-\]: yeah, it's pretty clear
LoneStar [3d\]: DO not worry about o4! its tenukiable!
HW [-\]: I ain't no size 2
DoctorNo [5d\]: Why this type of games we can not review from the beginning locally?
rayheart [?\]: the thing of getting the first round playyed in main draw o.o almowt too strange
LoneStar [3d\]: what do u thiink of my suuggest , D2, dudes
cekalo [1k\]: what is tenukiable?
rayheart [?\]: Because is a review
Alife361 [5k?\]: L7
rayheart [?\]: thats why you cannot
Hikky [-\]: because its a demo game and USGO1 has control.  if you want to review locally, clone the game or view offline
HW [-\]: just clone or view offline
LoneStar [3d\]: o4 group is tenukiable cekalo
DoctorNo [5d\]: Thx
kmr [2d\]: ok so i was mistaken that its Bo3 now?Its still Bo5?Sorry for misunderstanding then, my bad.
a1328 [3k\]: anyway both chineses?
ThiGar [4k\]: This tournament rules are superb: you play with every player in the prelimnaries, knowing that every result will count towards future 'best of', if any
LoneStar [3d\]: u wont tae gote defending such group in high level , i know this!
LoneStar [3d\]: take*
Hobbes [1k\]: tae gives more feeling to your kibitz
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;W[io]C[Grunman [5k\]: D2 won't use any influence white has
LoneStar [3d\]: !
Falcon89 [5k\]: i think both are American Chinese
HKA [3d?\]: kmr I think you are mistaken about being mistaken
Hobbes [1k\]: ok this was unexcpected
a1328 [3k\]: ho yaya
gogonuts [4d\]: j5 isnt consistent with h3
bert [?\]: well if this was w's intention then j3 first would make more sense, no?
Hobbes [1k\]: is this really "attack with keima"? because I can't see a proper attack here
gogonuts [4d\]: if w wants j5 he should have started with j3
LoneStar [3d\]: w is playing rather adeventurous moves from the beginning , do u notice this??
Muttley [2k\]: if w j3, this would encourage b to g3 in response
a1328 [3k\]: O 2 yummy for b later?
Hobbes [1k\]: w should note try advntures in his last chance
ThiGar [4k\]: I would have prefered h6 or p7
Hobbes [1k\]: not*
Muttley [2k\]: this is "look east to attack in the west" strategy
Muttley [2k\]: w cannot threaten d4 with one stone at h3
a1328 [3k\]: L7 keep going
gogonuts [4d\]: just jump again
Alife361 [5k?\]: b is connected via p2?
LoneStar [3d\]: b is gonn either jump 1 spce or n3!!!
Hobbes [1k\]: what about k6 j6 k8 ?
gogonuts [4d\]: b sure has a hard time with those boring tobis :-)
Muttley [2k\]: I bet b peep first atn6
LoneStar [3d\]: L7 normal
DoctorNo [5d\]: Eric has much more experience than Aaron, 28 young man vs early teen boy
Muttley [2k\]: its a normal kikashi
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;B[fq]C[LoneStar [3d\]: !!!
Excalibor [?\]: Muttley: peeping at n6 would be ajikeshi
Hobbes [1k\]: how close we where
gogonuts [4d\]: no way
a1328 [3k\]: ho ya
ThiGar [4k\]: isn't j5 consistent  with using the o5 wall?
Muttley [2k\]: its a loss, sure
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;W[lp]C[agakenny [3d\]: b can live eaily here due to H3 J5 shape
gogonuts [4d\]: f3 is too much
Muttley [2k\]: but b needs shape
LoneStar [3d\]: i dont like thhis peep
gogonuts [4d\]: now w has momentum
gogonuts [4d\]: peep is ok
gogonuts [4d\]: working on bs eye options :-)
LoneStar [3d\]: i would simply k7 !!!!
Excalibor [?\]: yes, but why making b stronger? it's heavy enough, b won't concede almost the whole bottom of the board
gogonuts [4d\]: without the peep b has a better move at n3 
HKA [3d?\]: white is trying to keep overconcentrated
Muttley [2k\]: this is what makes b heavy
LoneStar [3d\]: i dont know wht w get with this peep!? eye shape?? , i dont believe so!
DoctorNo [5d\]: K5 possible?
Alife361 [5k?\]: m4 prevents fron connection via p2, so b separated
rayheart [?\]: N3 for black
gogonuts [4d\]: taking b eye shape options
Alife361 [5k?\]: (imho of course)
rayheart [?\]: is prety good if you dont peep
gogonuts [4d\]: b is the current target
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;B[jo]C[cekalo [1k\]: to make him heavy
groobiest: dang, i was thinking k5
DoctorNo [5d\]: Haha, i can play this field next year
LoneStar [3d\]: hmm
kmr [2d\]: J6 i guess
gogonuts [4d\]: next year groobiest vs DoctorNo
Alife361 [5k?\]: h6
groobiest: in my dreams Mr. Nuts
LoneStar [3d\]: peep peep!
LoneStar [3d\]: extend , dude
HW [-\]: there's nothing special about guessing moves...
gogonuts [4d\]: maybe I'm too naive
ThiGar [4k\]: now w should not heavy weigh j5 stone also
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;W[in]C[LoneStar [3d\]: no other move 
gogonuts [4d\]: why not j6 right away?
LoneStar [3d\]: jump , dude
gogonuts [4d\]: thats why i can play pair go
Excalibor [?\]: I kinda liked w g5 instead
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;B[km]C[gogonuts [4d\]: i even get angry at the right move if its played too slow :-9
kmr [2d\]: G5-J6 and white have no good followup
LoneStar [3d\]: jump too 
gogonuts [4d\]: i cant play, i mean
USGO1 [-\]: photo posted here: https://www.facebook.com/AmericanGoAssociation
LoneStar [3d\]: j8
LoneStar [3d\]: right now
kmr [2d\]: i think K8- white must attack strongly imho
DoctorNo [5d\]: Who has the bedt chance among thid 8-players field?
kmr [2d\]: anyway white is in not good position overall
Excalibor [?\]: kmr: g5 j6 j4 threatens to cut at k3...
LoneStar [3d\]: u dont have to emphasize ur honesty here, no reason to lie 
ThiGar [4k\]: how can w avoid having his o4 group cut?
Falcon89 [5k\]: DoctorNo, i think Eric
Excalibor [?\]: ThiGar: w can simply play p7 or o7 and he's connected...
]
;W[nl]C[kmr [2d\]: Excalibor- then K3-H6-J7 and black has better positon than in game
ThiGar [4k\]: excalibor, ty
agakenny [3d\]: O8 still not fix white connection issue
bleen [1d\]: how old are these guys btw?
gogonuts [4d\]: b just k8?
LoneStar [3d\]: all games have 30 min max main time for broadcasting purpose
kmr [2d\]: very young :)
cekalo [1k\]: b is 14
HKA [3d?\]: Eric is mid twenties
LoneStar [3d\]: should have*
Excalibor [?\]: kmr: but afte j7 w l7 is very severe
HKA [3d?\]: Aaron is a kid
DoctorNo [5d\]: I believe so, time for Eric to shine
Muttley [2k\]: Eric Lui 20s, Aaron Ye early teens
agakenny [3d\]: eric 25
cekalo [1k\]: aaron is 14
bleen [1d\]: wow
bleen [1d\]: impressive
DoctorNo [5d\]: Eric is 27 or 28
bert [?\]: ye
Excalibor [?\]: so young, yeah
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;B[jl]C[ddgg: i think Aaron is 13
NeoNemesis [-\]: i thought Eric was 26?
agakenny [3d\]: now w J5 group is so heavy
bleen [1d\]: i am 26
]
;W[hl]C[bleen [1d\]: so strong with 14
DoctorNo [5d\]: Wayne, no kid :)
bleen [1d\]: ?
bert [?\]: who is Wayne?
gogonuts [4d\]: the official position is best of 3, so eric can become pro with this game?
Muttley [2k\]: yes
HKA [3d?\]: that is up to Wayne
cekalo [1k\]: he is a genuis kid he will be able to work at nasain the future
]
;B[ij]C[HKA [3d?\]: three corners and the center....
LoneStar [3d\]: h20
bert [?\]: they will play go at nasa in the future?
LoneStar [3d\]: g10
HKA [3d?\]: I know that one h20 is water
cekalo [1k\]: they played go in space
HKA [3d?\]: not these two
Naphthalin [8k?\]: did all groups float there?
HKA [3d?\]: stickers I believe
gogonuts [4d\]: this feels like a long think position to me
HKA [3d?\]: whole board did
Excalibor [?\]: sad thing is I don't think w has time to play M11 and seal o12, and thus b might actually connect and save both groups easily and in sente
LoneStar [3d\]: h10?
Muttley [2k\]: m12 rather than m11
]
;W[dn]C[LoneStar [3d\]: !
Muttley [2k\]: w wants to g10
Muttley [2k\]: so g10 it is
gogonuts [4d\]: b simple g10?
]
;B[gj]C[Muttley [2k\]: yep
agakenny [3d\]: D6 bad at this time
Excalibor [?\]: w wants to go k9 ;-)  but needs to be stronger first
Muttley [2k\]: such bad lag here :))
cekalo [1k\]: p7?
LoneStar [3d\]: hmm
DoctorNo [5d\]: B in control
gogonuts [4d\]: o12 is getting antsy :-)
Excalibor [?\]: yeah, it looks like it now
LoneStar [3d\]: d6 bad?
gogonuts [4d\]: yes
gogonuts [4d\]: g10 too good
Excalibor [?\]: yeah, g10 too good, but w g10 would be 2 keima in a row, that's dangerous for w, isn't it?
LoneStar [3d\]: i called g10  for w anyway
gogonuts [4d\]: less dangerous than b g10 :-)
Excalibor [?\]: okay, I gotta admit that :-=
Excalibor [?\]: :-)
DoctorNo [5d\]: Later w must poke b k9 weakness to gain advantage
LoneStar [3d\]: or h10 to take sente and go llower left was my cllever plan
Excalibor [?\]: yup, k9 looks the place to recover, if possible
bert [?\]: xcept it gets captured
]
;W[cp]
;B[cq]
;W[co]
;B[bq]C[Excalibor [?\]: d8 now?
LoneStar [3d\]: e4!!!
Excalibor [?\]: still quite a bit wide and far from h8...
Excalibor [?\]: e4? here?
LoneStar [3d\]: why bot!
LoneStar [3d\]: not*
agakenny [3d\]: k9 is not a threat, b ladder works fine. w has to worry about his weak shape first
]
;W[fl]C[LoneStar [3d\]: !!!
Excalibor [?\]: ah, so d8 was indeed too far away...
agakenny [3d\]: wow! all white moves are dame moves
Excalibor [?\]: what a pity, w lost so many points in this
eleven21: i guess w m11 or m12 will be nice sente because of k9
LoneStar [3d\]: looks like very inefficient
agakenny [3d\]: E10 is natural to me
agakenny [3d\]: for b
USGO1 [-\]: new photo here: https://twitter.com/theaga
Excalibor [?\]: darn, if b wants to harass w, e7 is devilish
agakenny [3d\]: or w is looking J9 cut
ThiGar [4k\]: it all stems from j6 heavy shape, doesn'it?
LoneStar [3d\]: compare b , j10 g10 to w h8 f8 , w a lot less value!!
asdfsd: so many experts here, i love it
DoctorNo [5d\]: Is Aaron's face red now?
Excalibor [?\]: yup, j6 heavy but a necessary evil, so seems
agakenny [3d\]: b can H7 fix it
ThiGar [4k\]: even a double tobi from h3 would have been more active
agakenny [3d\]: M12
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;B[mk]C[agakenny [3d\]: N9 better
DoctorNo [5d\]: B m11 next?
]
;W[nk]C[LoneStar [3d\]: m11???????
asdfsd: and what i mean by that is so many people that don't know what they're talking about
Excalibor [?\]: m11 can be cut
asdfsd: but pretend like they do, all the same
DoctorNo [5d\]: Asd, that make kibizing more fun
agakenny [3d\]: i prefer M12
ThiGar [4k\]: b may have bigger sente's than outing o12
Excalibor [?\]: asdfsd: yeah, we understand sarcasm, studied in kgs ettiquette 102... :-P
calmdown [3d\]: E10, or M12
Hagalaz [3k\]: in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
LoneStar [3d\]: pretensoion is the winning attitude in go games! cuz most of them r too weak to sure of their moves!
bert [?\]: it is a bit dissapointing really, the quality of these games and the kibitz too
]
;B[lh]C[chiron [?\]: good quality kibitz begons with you
asdfsd: the kibitz isn't dissapointing
LoneStar [3d\]: some of this ago qual tourney games looked like some games we ve seen on KGS !
DoctorNo [5d\]: Try to read Yahoo comments. This field is much better
LoneStar [3d\]: aga*
Excalibor [?\]: anyway, despite white's less than ideal postition, the black group in the middle is not yet alive, per se... n9 protects the cut bu b needs to make sure he's alive 100% before going after profit
asdfsd: i mean no one really expects anyone to have any insight
royu [4d\]: kgs kibitz is always full of win
Excalibor [?\]: ah, that looks nice
calmdown [3d\]: tough game for w now
agakenny [3d\]: b center shape is solid, and b has more cash also.
chiron [?\]: royu always has good insights
Excalibor [?\]: bert: in your hands is the task to make kibitz better :-)
cekalo [1k\]: L11
chiron [?\]: yes, bert should be the kgs kibitiz quality control sherriff
calmdown [3d\]: W may have to play a move at right side
bert [?\]: gogonuts makes some sense, others dont even try
calmdown [3d\]: then B gets E10, game is almost over
LoneStar [3d\]: can w super submissive like r11 now
Excalibor [?\]: m12 is sente aainst s14... w needs to connect or risk b r11, which would be very bad...
royu [4d\]: w can cut any time at p12 
royu [4d\]: but it's not really big
kmr [2d\]: so many upper high dans are watching....so pity they do it in silence.
LoneStar [3d\]: m11 is the manly way to resist i thin
royu [4d\]: i like w l10
chiron [?\]: p12 bigger than r11
Excalibor [?\]: Star: m11?
LoneStar [3d\]: yeah
SickWilly [2d?\]: P12 seems bad because B will cut O14 and completely solidify his center and develop an even huger wall.
LoneStar [3d\]: split!
Excalibor [?\]: w m11 b n11 and then?
chiron [?\]: good pt sickW
LoneStar [3d\]: or coure n1-
LoneStar [3d\]: 10
royu [4d\]: maybe w just tenuki here
royu [4d\]: hard to create value 
]
;W[mi]C[Excalibor [?\]: then b m10 and w moves l11 and makes a weak group in the middle of black?
calmdown [3d\]: can b O13 now?
]
;B[ng]C[calmdown [3d\]: geee
LoneStar [3d\]: gotta go out with split here othrwise w loses!
calmdown [3d\]: w is being pressed against the wall now
royu [4d\]: n11 looks really bad now if w has to r11 after this sequence...
calmdown [3d\]: if O14 connect, then b saved one move!
]
;W[mh]C[LoneStar [3d\]: r u calm down now?
]
;B[mg]C[kmr [2d\]: looks very bad for white
]
;W[lg]C[gogonuts [4d\]: ws plan is a mystery
]
;B[nf]C[LoneStar [3d\]: m11
agakenny [3d\]: w's cash all gone
royu [4d\]: w basicaly forced himself to play r11 now
calmdown [3d\]: Can you fix your grammar?  @LoneStar?
royu [4d\]: and b got a huge outside move
ThiGar [4k\]: i see! now no more ladder after w k9!
manofearth [?\]: how did b get that upper right corner?
DoctorNo [5d\]: Unless we agree Asian pro is better than US pro, I  never be a fan of US pro system
LoneStar [3d\]: no hold back now
calmdown [3d\]: This game would be a short one.
LoneStar [3d\]: m11 is the way it should be
Excalibor [?\]: this really looks bad for white now...
gogonuts [4d\]: b didnt even do it
LoneStar [3d\]: samurais way to decide the fate
Excalibor [?\]: if white loses sente it might be gg
gogonuts [4d\]: w cooked himself
SickWilly [2d?\]: no, but b can threaten a net with k9 j9 j8 l9 k10 l11  and escape cleanly and still be decently strong. after O14, J10 stones are lighter.
royu [4d\]: n11 is very un-pro move. w had miai of r11 and p12 to ensure r14 group is connected
LoneStar [3d\]: samurai will die for his daimyo!
LoneStar [3d\]: at all cost!
royu [4d\]: but playing n11 helped b make o13 move to fix p12 and also get a good outside
asdfsd: j9
LoneStar [3d\]: m11
royu [4d\]: so basically w created a gote for himself when each move still have 15+ pt values
Ljys [1d?\]: Exept after 1700 they changed the law by which samurai following his daimyo was illegal... ;)
calmdown [3d\]: m11 is unlikely to happen
LoneStar [3d\]: tokuka\\wa ies united jpan!
SickWilly [2d?\]: @royu, I agree. My only thought is W was aiming for the cut at K9 but still isn't quite strong enough to pull it off.
Excalibor [?\]: royu: nod, p12 and r11 both worked nice... what do you think w wanted to get aout of n11?
Gabriel [1d\]: is the final best of 5 or best of 3?
ThiGar [4k\]: right, sickW
Muttley [2k\]: bestof 3
asdfsd: cut now or what's the point
Excalibor [?\]: Willy: the k9 cut, really?
Gabriel [1d\]: thanks muttley
Muttley [2k\]: np
]
;W[ik]C[groobiest: finally
royu [4d\]: ok, this is w's only hope here
LoneStar [3d\]: hmm
asdfsd: @excalibor, stop asking low dans, they'll only give u low dan analysis
royu [4d\]: but b has many living moves
Excalibor [?\]: j9 better than k9?
Muttley [2k\]: lol bunnies troll cut suji from the hand of the young
SickWilly [2d?\]: seems pretty difficult with M13 so weak.
calmdown [3d\]: L10?
LoneStar [3d\]: low dns are low dans for reasons
Excalibor [?\]: asdfsd: yes, but still better than mine...
DoctorNo [5d\]: Lol lones
royu [4d\]: b has n7, k2 or j3... seems b alive for sure
LoneStar [3d\]: dont trust low dans!
calmdown [3d\]: I trust you
LoneStar [3d\]: oh?
DoctorNo [5d\]: Lones we are 2 of them
calmdown [3d\]: on having no chance
gogonuts [4d\]: w mad like hulk, but not strong like hulk
]
;B[jj]C[DoctorNo [5d\]: Love gogo
SickWilly [2d?\]: @royu, you're right, B looks thin but looks possible to make life still.
cekalo [1k\]: too much to read
Muttley [2k\]: where is b thin?
]
;W[kh]C[Muttley [2k\]: L3 alive already I thought
LoneStar [3d\]: k9
cekalo [1k\]: what about r14
groobiest: n10
Excalibor [?\]: b can tenuki and connet k9 now and still threaten to r11 and get a huge chunk on the right side
LoneStar [3d\]: trust me k9 is for sure
DoctorNo [5d\]: That n9 peep really help connection 
Murdin [4k?\]: why white not just push and cut ? xD in K9
Muttley [2k\]: because h7
]
;B[hm]C[gogonuts [4d\]: thats way different
Muttley [2k\]: ;-))
gogonuts [4d\]: nice
agakenny [3d\]: explore w's weak shape
]
;W[fr]C[Muttley [2k\]: w going into bot agony mode
DoctorNo [5d\]: H7 make connection and build aji
royu [4d\]: this will weaken j3 or k2 for b 
Muttley [2k\]: but they are miai, royu
calmdown [3d\]: G2  oe E3
Muttley [2k\]: connect above vs live below
calmdown [3d\]: or
LoneStar [3d\]: u r seeing the exxamples of how to time ur move at right moment!
gogonuts [4d\]: f2 is a good reply, but w doesnt have a way back into the game without b help
]
;B[er]C[calmdown [3d\]: says a low dan
calmdown [3d\]: F4?
royu [4d\]: yeah i think b is winning too much now 
]
;W[im]
;B[il]
;W[hk]C[LoneStar [3d\]: calm down u need to calmn yourself down to be strong 
calmdown [3d\]: no need
calmdown [3d\]: my goal is low
agakenny [3d\]: b is reading how to kill
calmdown [3d\]: just enough to beat you every time we play
LoneStar [3d\]: lol really?
HKA [3d?\]: and LoneStar needs an unexpressed thought or two
calmdown [3d\]: really
royu [4d\]: i think b j8 was mistake
royu [4d\]: because, h7 cutting stone has no cutting value 
LoneStar [3d\]: i hardly remember if we played any games other than todays 1 game?
]
;B[jk]C[royu [4d\]: and now w can push both k9 or h10 later
calmdown [3d\]: I have a dozen accounts
agakenny [3d\]: G7 and M11 mia
gogonuts [4d\]: h10 not really
royu [4d\]: also, w can m6 
LoneStar [3d\]: cuz i certainly would remember the opponents who gave me strong impression, but for u only the name!
calmdown [3d\]: right
royu [4d\]: w m6 and b n7 are kind of timing move for both side
Welvang [6d\]: my god one of them will be pro ?
calmdown [3d\]: haha
royu [4d\]: to make/destroy eye shape
]
;W[li]C[Muttley [2k\]: h10 h11 =damezumari
agakenny [3d\]: wow! w is gambling 
gogonuts [4d\]: b has played a pretty good game
Welvang [6d\]: w played trash this game
gogonuts [4d\]: and tournament as a whole
Muttley [2k\]: that's a ko for life
kmr [2d\]: yeah J8 no sense if he planned K9
LoneStar [3d\]: u cant disclose ur accounts cuz maybe u r not tellling the truth?
calmdown [3d\]: haha
calmdown [3d\]: whatever
Muttley [2k\]: Lonestar and calmdown, you're adding nothing to this kibbitz, so discuss it privately 
HKA [3d?\]: take it private you too, please
kmr [2d\]: R11 very big
gogonuts [4d\]: r11 does come to mind
Muttley [2k\]: game related comments only
agakenny [3d\]: G7
DoctorNo [5d\]: White just outplayed by Eric, but he can beat me easily
LoneStar [3d\]: hmm lol
LoneStar [3d\]: mutt sir !
Muttley [2k\]: last chance
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;B[fk]C[Muttley [2k\]: thank you :))
]
;W[hj]
;B[hi]
;W[gl]C[kmr [2d\]: Muttley dont be so harsh on yourself, beside we need to hear some of your endless story with your best pupil! ;)
Welvang [6d\]: not sure about that
Excalibor [?\]: wow, this sequence is so weird
LoneStar [3d\]: but i said only hmm lol after ur waring, why bold letter?!
Muttley [2k\]: because I'm very mean
Mendieta [8k\]: does b need j12 ?
Excalibor [?\]: is w threatening to cut at j11 or was the push just for aji?
]
;B[ih]C[Muttley [2k\]: game related, chill out :))
kmr [2d\]: i think black need to fix his shape
gogonuts [4d\]: i dont get f9
DoctorNo [5d\]: Yeah,  Muttley not belong to low. Dan, he can say things a lot :)
kmr [2d\]: GJ Mendietta, good call
Mendieta [8k\]: Eric answered my question. thanks
gogonuts [4d\]: wasnt r11 nicer?
Muttley [2k\]: and I said thanks :))
]
;W[gi]C[bleen [1d\]: i like b
Excalibor [?\]: i like this cut
bleen [1d\]: yeah me too
bleen [1d\]: interesting game
gogonuts [4d\]: and i didnt get k9 either
kmr [2d\]: but i still think this J8 push was really so bad style that it should not come to black mind.Am i missing sth?
gogonuts [4d\]: why didnt b play k9 at h10?
a1328 [3k\]: sore cut?
bleen [1d\]: just eric has to
Muttley [2k\]: (sweetrip cheater for anyone who wants a quick blitz to watch)
LoneStar [3d\]: dudes r11 doesnt look s fatl as some suggested! 
]
;B[gh]
;W[fi]
;B[fh]C[LoneStar [3d\]: fatal*
]
;W[ei]C[asdfsd: who suggested that?
]
;B[eh]C[asdfsd: some random 5k?
LoneStar [3d\]: some low dan
kmr [2d\]: its not fatal, just very big
asdfsd: same thing
HKA [3d?\]: lets sing the lonely song for d16
agakenny [3d\]: R11 is big
calmdown [3d\]: this game is so over for w
]
;W[di]
;B[dh]C[LoneStar [3d\]: r11 , s11 not too big  just that i cant isolate w centre , that has more value  maybe
]
;W[ci]C[LoneStar [3d\]: it can iolate*
LoneStar [3d\]: isolate
LoneStar [3d\]: f17?
LoneStar [3d\]: for sure?
kmr [2d\]: white made nice terrain
SickWilly [2d?\]: @gogonuts, if B k9 isn't there a weakness at l6 k6 k7 m6 l8 ?
Mendieta [8k\]: san san bad for b?
SickWilly [2d?\]: F17 or F16 I think.
LoneStar [3d\]: 3 3 worst 
DoctorNo [5d\]: What is the age limit here in this qual
]
;B[ch]C[asdfsd: r11 soon
]
;W[hg]C[gogonuts [4d\]: i meant h10 instead of k9
]
;B[hh]C[DoctorNo [5d\]: C17, lol
LoneStar [3d\]: b patient like lee chang ho!
LoneStar [3d\]: f17
LoneStar [3d\]: is the only move
gogonuts [4d\]: c12 was a good choice. f17 was calling "play me" but this works better
Excalibor [?\]: c15 looks big, but r11 looks more urgent
DoctorNo [5d\]: I like c15
]
;W[cf]C[LoneStar [3d\]: wow
chiron [?\]: c14 takes eyes
gogonuts [4d\]: lol
agakenny [3d\]: b11
LoneStar [3d\]: c14 sems a bit awkard!
DoctorNo [5d\]: This is not what text book told me
chiron [?\]: throw away your books and think for yourself
]
;B[fc]C[gogonuts [4d\]: how about d17?
DoctorNo [5d\]: Thx
rsun [-\]: drno has potential for pro exam next year
Chilltime [1d?\]: @chiron thanks for the advise ...
calmdown [3d\]: B11 then B13 sente
]
;W[fe]C[LoneStar [3d\]: chiron is 6d , listen up 
calmdown [3d\]: corner is not solid
DoctorNo [5d\]: After b b11, ko aji at b9
gogonuts [4d\]: w didnt take the corner, awesome :-)
SickWilly [2d?\]: Oh, C14 was to continue to attack black.
kmr [2d\]: white want to kill black big group, no else sense in whites moves
calmdown [3d\]: C14 is bretty bad
calmdown [3d\]: prety
kmr [2d\]: C14 intent was to prevent black from taking base on side
SickWilly [2d?\]: C14 is pretty desperate. it makes sense after you see F15. if W doesn't do something big he's lost. so in that light C14 is the only move.
SickWilly [2d?\]: Just reducing the top wouldn't be enough to win.
DoctorNo [5d\]: The b group is from toe to head, no chance to die
kmr [2d\]: black group no sure eye yet
calmdown [3d\]: attack thickness is bad
rsun [-\]: m8 gote eye
humblelife [-\]: well the mistake was earlier. it's now this or resign
kmr [2d\]: maybe but it was only chance for white, i am pretty sure he  thinks that way
LoneStar [3d\]: w moves are bold! dont ca\\re about little ppoints!
bert [?\]: b11 first, i think
manofearth [?\]: w is attacking. there was no obvious way to take  the upper left corner without giving b territoy
gooooo [?\]: how much time do they have left?
rsun [-\]: 80% of sabaki starts with attachment
kmr [2d\]: maybe G14 now?
agakenny [3d\]: b11 now
sinojos [8k\]: what's the other 20% start with?
calmdown [3d\]: B11 or J17
LoneStar [3d\]: b 11 good!
gogonuts [4d\]: b wanted to wind down i n a friendly way
kmr [2d\]: you mean wind up?
gogonuts [4d\]: but now he must be looking to teach w a lesson
LoneStar [3d\]: lol
groobiest: attack j6 with f5
Achiles [2k\]: b12 
LoneStar [3d\]: many psychiatrists here too!
gogonuts [4d\]: thats the long thinking time
gogonuts [4d\]: time for many theories
gooooo [?\]: is d18 bad?
rsun [-\]: the other 20% is something light like a second space jump
gogonuts [4d\]: it would be risky to say yes :-)
kmr [2d\]: lets use some urban myth knowledge to produce best conspiracy theory!
LarryG [2d\]: should F17 go F16?
gogonuts [4d\]: f17 was already very cautious, granting w d18
LoneStar [3d\]: kgs kibitzers not oonly know what r next moves nd which move good and bad ! they read plyers mindsprecisely!
gogonuts [4d\]: but w declined
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;B[lq]C[sinojos [8k\]: goooooooooo, D18 is unimportant for the moment. it's not a matter of good or bad
]
;W[mq]C[ijoplh: b aiming for the big kill
gogonuts [4d\]: i hope noby predicted m3
gogonuts [4d\]: that would be spooky :-9
rsun [-\]: m3 is an attachment
bert [?\]: b aiming at the small life rather
Achiles [2k\]: w is not one to hesitate 
groobiest: true
sinojos [8k\]: no room for sabaki. try again :)
groobiest: next, rsun?
LoneStar [3d\]: everybody s kung fu fighting!
rsun [-\]: j2 looks like a shape move
groobiest: i stick with f5 :/
gogonuts [4d\]: m5 hreatens p7, so would fix in sente
bleen [1d\]: m5 looks nice
bleen [1d\]: better shape to l7 too
LoneStar [3d\]: eric scared by the boys strong will
Crono9987 [3d\]: seems like b just needs to live in the middle and the game is over, yea?
]
;B[ip]
;W[hp]C[Crono9987 [3d\]: not even necessarily sente life, i think
gogonuts [4d\]: j4 was nice
gogonuts [4d\]: not so easy to see
gogonuts [4d\]: unless its played :-)
]
;B[iq]C[SickWilly [2d?\]: doesn't j4 only work after m5?
LoneStar [3d\]: maybe high dans can 
]
;W[ir]C[BotWhacker [4k\]: o7 can make more eye shape at all too?
gogonuts [4d\]: i didnt say impossible
LoneStar [3d\]: what is j3
slim76 [1d\]: j4 doesn't look that good anymore
LoneStar [3d\]: this move seems terrible
agakenny [3d\]: M5 now
gogonuts [4d\]: j3 needs the m5 fix now
SickWilly [2d?\]: should have m5 imho.
gogonuts [4d\]: but i agree
Achiles [2k\]: b wants an eye on the cheap 
gogonuts [4d\]: masochistic shape
LoneStar [3d\]: b should be tenukied and make eyes else where!
]
;B[lo]C[agakenny [3d\]: b will make 
LoneStar [3d\]: p7 aji!?
agakenny [3d\]: b plans for R11 and kill center w
royu [4d\]: i don't like m3 or j4
gogonuts [4d\]: cant judge those
gogonuts [4d\]: but j3 didnt look good
LoneStar [3d\]: hmmm
bert [?\]: b threatens o6 next, if w fixes it then k2 is fine
ThiGar [4k\]: k3?
]
;W[gr]C[LoneStar [3d\]: hmm\\
agakenny [3d\]: P7
LoneStar [3d\]: i thought b should k2
tcorc [4k\]: O6 not working ?
gogonuts [4d\]: w still working his butt off
Falcon89 [5k\]: haha
chiron [?\]: go is good for losing weight
gogonuts [4d\]: g2 is supposed to hurt the corner and help n3 
Werfeus [5d\]: i dunno, usually go makes me put a few stones
tcorc [4k\]: K2 looks like enough to live
LoneStar [3d\]:  go is bad for ur waist , doesnt lose your weight 
Achiles [2k\]: slow 
sinojos [8k\]: that's just the cheet-o's talking
DoctorNo [5d\]: I hope gogo can stay with us till the game is finish. only his comment make sense
LoneStar [3d\]: in fact i think go is pretty hazardous game for emntal health
chiron [?\]: corner is safe or not?
LoneStar [3d\]: mentaal health*
sinojos [8k\]: lol
Falcon89 [5k\]: haha
U [?\]: werfeus has put on a stone or two in korea im sure
gogonuts [4d\]: a stone is quite a lot, isnt it?
chiron [?\]: 20 lbs
agakenny [3d\]: b can ko kill P4 group
U [?\]: i thought 1 stone is 13 lbs
gogonuts [4d\]: poor werfeus :-)
sinojos [8k\]: 13
gogonuts [4d\]: thx
chiron [?\]: how agakenny?
USGO1 [-\]: check out the photo https://twitter.com/theaga
agakenny [3d\]: deep reading will find out why b play J4 bad move, it's for H5
DoctorNo [5d\]: Are bill Lin, Calvin, Eirc all KGS 8 dan?
]
;B[nm]C[SickWilly [2d?\]: KGS ranking is only to 7dan.
Alife361 [5k?\]: can o5 live standalone if cut?
mafutrct [2d?\]: calvin was 6d kgs no?
agakenny [3d\]: see, killing starts
agakenny [3d\]: w can ko live
LoneStar [3d\]: sstop trying to read out the variations like its the last game you ply! just play out ll the grey area s u like to nd enjoy! unless u can red them all out ffortlessly
Alife361 [5k?\]: Ooops it was cut when I'm typing...
]
;W[nn]
;B[om]C[agakenny [3d\]: game will over here
Falcon89 [5k\]: Eric is the one wearing glasses?
]
;W[po]C[U [?\]: aaron is the one who is 12 years old
agakenny [3d\]: R4
bert [?\]: n7
mafutrct [2d?\]: w n2 is sente
mafutrct [2d?\]: so should be alive
gogonuts [4d\]: painful for w
agakenny [3d\]: or R11 first
LoneStar [3d\]: reading with exhausting efforts is not the way aa real talent  play!
gogonuts [4d\]: f15 is now really not good
U [?\]: if theres a pro exam next year aaron will get it
U [?\]: i say if because the pickings are getting slimmer now
]
;B[qi]C[groobiest: oh ho ho
agakenny [3d\]: eric read deep
chiron [?\]: ouch
mafutrct [2d?\]: how long has he been playing?
DoctorNo [5d\]: F15 become dame
]
;W[mm]
;B[ml]
;W[mn]C[U [?\]: aaron?
mafutrct [2d?\]: yea
lockhart [?\]: go Eric!
DrQuantum [13k\]: I bet aaron's been playing most of his life ;)
agakenny [3d\]: game ending soon
chiron [?\]: 7 yrs
agakenny [3d\]: H5 now
U [?\]: well one of his kgs accounts was created in 2010
gogonuts [4d\]: r11 en passant was also painful
U [?\]: so at least then
Gabriel [1d\]: are you actual ben or fake ben? O:
mafutrct [2d?\]: i've never heard of him before, nice to see this talent
U [?\]: 2010 would make him like 6-7 years old
LoneStar [3d\]: aro made kgs account in 2010?
LoneStar [3d\]: oh
groobiest: r11 timing astonishing
SickWilly [2d?\]: This AGA article says aaron was 8 in 2011: http://www.usgo.org/news/2011/04/ye-sweeps-wygc-qualifier/
U [?\]: sounds right hes been playing since he was 6 or 7
U [?\]: and hes 12 now
]
;B[if]C[agakenny [3d\]: now aim to kill center
groobiest: this is all too good
rsun [-\]: so he could become the youngest pro in go history
bert [?\]: he's getting younger and younger
LoneStar [3d\]: maybe i taught aaron a few games back then , without knowing
LarryG [2d\]: black is hunting every group now
]
;W[ke]C[bert [?\]: he was 14 when the game started
groobiest: lol bert
DrQuantum [13k\]: actually Jeremy Chiu who's also here is only 13
SickWilly [2d?\]: Fujisawa Rina became a pro at 11.
royu [4d\]: r10 seems like a mutual sente?
enokcid: at 12? he won't even crack the top 10
yuuy: no aaron is older then 12
Mendieta [8k\]: o2 captures w's group at bottom?
ddgg: aaron is 13 for sure
SickWilly [2d?\]: Unless you're talking about AGA pros...
Excalibor [?\]: well, i'll see the end tomorrow, it's so late eyes are closing by themselves... cheers and see you around!
yuuy: i know aaron
DoctorNo [5d\]: Jeremy is an old young kid
groobiest: o/
U [?\]: well aaron isnt older than 13
]
;B[id]C[Mendieta [8k\]: good night Excalibor
]
;W[kd]C[Excalibor [?\]: thx
chiron [?\]: he's an old soul
Excalibor [?\]: :)
SickWilly [2d?\]: o2 doesn't. w N2 can connect o j2 with k1 or m1
ddgg: Aaron should just turn into 13 and half in Jan.
rsun [-\]: old soldiers never die
enokcid: any ways, 2 new pros a year for north america is too lenient
U [?\]: 1, not 2
U [?\]: it was only 2 in the first year
ddgg: 1
KoyoToya [-\]: It's 3 a year in Japan
enokcid: the talent pool and level is not there
DrQuantum [13k\]: that's why it's only 1 a year
LoneStar [3d\]: s19
LoneStar [3d\]: s10
groobiest: that's cuz japan has thrice the population
DrQuantum [13k\]: NOT
USGO1 [-\]: b has 9m; w has 22
jasch [1d\]: thrice the polulation of what?
U [?\]: of go players
Gabriel [1d\]: uhh us has a bigger population than japan
mafutrct [2d?\]: i think he was making a joke
jasch [1d\]: of north americaß certainly not
Gabriel [1d\]: oh you mean go players
DrQuantum [13k\]: i certainly hope so ;)
gogonuts [4d\]: cant expect to start an asian quality levels
enokcid: looking at play for these, none of them deserve to become pro at this point
rsun [-\]: 3 more orders of magnitude sounds closer
U [?\]: lets ignroe the guest
lepore [1d\]: Japan three a year for Nihon Kiin.  Kansai Kiin mints pros too.
agakenny [3d\]: B11
DoctorNo [5d\]: Can white save S13 if L16 group alive?
enokcid: looking the level of play
DrQuantum [13k\]: That said, at least one of our pros can keep up with the asians
U [?\]: and if we can make mark lee one of us...
mafutrct [2d?\]: you mean the 9p?
jasch [1d\]: can w play s11 to live ?
chiron [?\]: if w get n15 in sente
ThiGar [4k\]: are aga pros rewarded with a studying trip to Asia?
DrQuantum [13k\]: No - I'm not talking about Redmond
enokcid: maybe only Shikshin from Russia
mafutrct [2d?\]: yeah, the 9p :)
enokcid: all the rest of them..
mafutrct [2d?\]: oh, not?
DrQuantum [13k\]: and by "keep up with the pros" I mean play at comparable professional levels
DrQuantum [13k\]: not compete with the best
agakenny [3d\]: M17
DrQuantum [13k\]: I'm just referring to Andy Liu, who did quite well late last year in a pro tourney there
DrQuantum [13k\]: he's one of our 1p's
gooooo [?\]: how about antti,?
mafutrct [2d?\]: ah cool
LoneStar [3d\]: pros r overrated 
mafutrct [2d?\]: antii "only" had about 50% win rate in A class :\\
gogonuts [4d\]: western pros currently can beat lee sedol taking 2 stones
gogonuts [4d\]: cant beat
gogonuts [4d\]: sry
gooooo [?\]: are these pro allowed to play in Asian pro tournaments?
ThiGar [4k\]: sure, open ones
rsun [-\]: the euro pros played in China B or C league I forgot
jasch [1d\]: i belive they are gooooo
]
;B[ee]C[mafutrct [2d?\]: the EU pros are allowed, not sure about US
gogonuts [4d\]: b and his fancy timing again
Alife361 [5k?\]: Is there AGA-EGF pros tournament? 
gogonuts [4d\]: messing everything up :-)
LoneStar [3d\]: i will get as strong as pros as soon as i get paid for playing games, i suspect
Alife361 [5k?\]: Or at least in plans?
DrQuantum [13k\]: I would hope so, Alife - that would be great
]
;W[ed]
;B[fd]C[ThiGar [4k\]: 5 AGA pros after this tournament. How many EU pros are there?
slim76 [1d\]: lonestar, then you would be a pro by one definition
gogonuts [4d\]: money cant play go, but no money cant eat
jasch [1d\]: next pro  torney by EGF is a championship in Russia this year but only for EGF pros
rsun [-\]: 4
Alife361 [5k?\]: 5 or so also
ThiGar [4k\]: ty
Ljys [1d?\]: Lonestar you got it wrong. First you get as strong as pros, then you'll get money. ;))
KoyoToya [-\]: Ryan Li can beat pavol lisy i think
KoyoToya [-\]: Ryan Li is fun to watch
]
;W[ef]
;B[ge]
;W[de]C[Alife361 [5k?\]: so 9-10 young pros - is good event!
Grunman [5k\]: AGA-EGF pro tournament will cost too much
kmr [2d\]: AGA has contract with KBA, EGF with CEGO who works with China Pro Association.....
rsun [-\]: just play online
DrQuantum [13k\]: We each have four so far
jasch [1d\]: yeah and it will not be so easy to get Visa for everyone
DrQuantum [13k\]: we'll have five after this 
]
;B[qj]C[Luffyy [3d\]: same in 2 months for europe
DrQuantum [13k\]: right
groobiest: who called r10?
rsun [-\]: EGF mints 2 every year
gogonuts [4d\]: next pain for w
Luffyy [3d\]: 1 for now on
U [?\]: europe has more players too
DoctorNo [5d\]: now S13 is dead
rsun [-\]: oh
kmr [2d\]: USA dont need Visa for most(if not all) EU countries
DrQuantum [13k\]: EGF's are Shikshin, Surma, Livy and Jabarin
Alife361 [5k?\]: +Dinnestein + Shikshina
U [?\]: aga has liu, shi, li and sun 
royu [4d\]: w should r10 earlier...
Alife361 [5k?\]: (both 3p)
U [?\]: alife theyre euro pros
U [?\]: asian pros sorry
mafutrct [2d?\]: + catalin taranu 5p
DrQuantum [13k\]: right
jasch [1d\]: well if thats the case kmr then there should be an event someday in Europe
DrQuantum [13k\]: Taranu is also asian pro
U [?\]: yep they all got pro in japan/korea
enokcid: Michael Raymen
kmr [2d\]: +Catalin 5p and Anti 1p (Nihon-Kiin pros)
Alife361 [5k?\]: U, rught, I forget
]
;W[ll]C[mafutrct [2d?\]: taranu is european born
Alife361 [5k?\]: ri*
lepore [1d\]: Francis Meyer pro too
DrQuantum [13k\]: Yes he is
U [?\]: mafut michael redmond was born in the US does that make him an aga pro?
DrQuantum [13k\]: No
DrQuantum [13k\]: he's Nihon ki-in
Crono9987 [3d\]: is this even sente?
ThiGar [4k\]: Dinnerstein & Shikshina are asian pros
]
;B[pk]C[mafutrct [2d?\]: no, why would it
Alife361 [5k?\]: yep
Mendieta [8k\]: Alexandr Dinerchtein, Hans Pietsch, Diana Koszegi, Catalin Taranu...
kmr [2d\]: rather KBA affilated pros than asian pros
royu [4d\]: over?
U [?\]: theres a senseis page that lsit all of them
bert [?\]: Diana Koszegi does not deserve to be mentioned?
DoctorNo [5d\]: B is collecting beans
U [?\]: should jsut go to there
gogonuts [4d\]: ws beans
]
;W[gd]C[Mendieta [8k\]: Svetlana Shikshina
LarryG [2d\]: time to resign
kmr [2d\]: ko time
Alife361 [5k?\]: I wish Aaron will be next year pro. His style is really attactive and spectacular
Alife361 [5k?\]: attractive
]
;B[gc]C[calydon [1d\]: I think, that honorary pro like Shikshina or Dinerstein has some special status and cant participate in KBA pro tournaments
]
;W[qh]C[DoctorNo [5d\]: B + 20 on board, unless white kill someting, then..
]
;B[ri]
;W[gf]C[kmr [2d\]: they can participate almost for sure
DrQuantum [13k\]: but their status is as teachers
DoctorNo [5d\]: I hope one day bots are allow to compete in tis tournament
DrQuantum [13k\]: at least according to sensei's library
]
;B[hf]C[Gabriel [1d\]: go stones can't melt steel beams
DrQuantum [13k\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?WesternProfessionals
]
;W[he]
;B[ie]C[KoyoToya [-\]: J13
]
;W[pl]C[gogonuts [4d\]: h14 safer at j13 imo
calydon [1d\]: they are teaching, but european amaters, nothing to do with KBA
rsun [-\]: but prevents h17
U [?\]: breakfast played in several pro tournaments around 15 years ago and beat a cople 9p too if i recall
rsun [-\]: aguilar beat 9p too
kmr [2d\]: Diner stopped pro play years ago, and Shikishina probably played very few competetive games with other KBA pros after promotion.She intended to focus on teaching almost from the start.But still they have full rights as KBA pros, unless i am missing sth.
U [?\]: yes well hes a special case
]
;B[ol]C[DoctorNo [5d\]: greeting to sensei Yang
U [?\]: hes a freak of nature
]
;W[qp]C[DoctorNo [5d\]: gone
]
;B[rp]C[jasch [1d\]: w will likely resign anytime soon
]
;W[ne]C[DoctorNo [5d\]: So, Eric has beaten Aaron in prem\\liminary round?
LoneStar [3d\]: this gam is like one ofKGSgmes
DrQuantum [13k\]: no
jasch [1d\]: is this the first game of the bo5?
DrQuantum [13k\]: Aaron beat Eric
KoyoToya [-\]: Bo3 now
kmr [2d\]: Eric beat Aaron
Gabriel [1d\]: ..eric beat aaron
USGO1 [-\]: b ot starts; 5/40
DrQuantum [13k\]: right
DrQuantum [13k\]: yes
jasch [1d\]: oh ok thx Toya Koyo ;)
Luffyy [3d\]: i thought best of 5 also
Luffyy [3d\]: isn't it the final ?
USGO1 [-\]: b has 4/40
DrQuantum [13k\]: But this is best of 5 isn't it?  
gogonuts [4d\]: no
Gabriel [1d\]: apparently it changed to Bo3 because of scheduling
DrQuantum [13k\]: ah
HKA [3d?\]: rules state best of 5 'time permitting
jasch [1d\]: thats what homepage said 
DoctorNo [5d\]: Dr. and kmr, pls make a statment straight :-)
DrQuantum [13k\]: AGA needs to change their page
]
;B[oe]C[Luffyy [3d\]: hmmm so it can end after this game then ?
HKA [3d?\]: but because semi and quarters went th edistance only best  of three
]
;W[ok]C[jasch [1d\]: and who is in the lead in the seriesß
jasch [1d\]: ?
Gabriel [1d\]: eric
Mendieta [8k\]: q11 ?
jasch [1d\]: ok
jasch [1d\]: thy
USGO1 [-\]: b has 3/40
gogonuts [4d\]: "time permitting" is worrying to me as a german, we like our laws cast in stone :-)
]
;B[pi]C[gooooo [?\]: gogo, feels random and unfair imo
]
;W[qk]C[U [?\]: in the US we dont get time off like europeans do
DoctorNo [5d\]: hmm
jasch [1d\]: so if b wins this game he is the new AGA pro, right?
U [?\]: so we cant really do events longer than 1 week
royu [4d\]: ? b r9 worked
Gabriel [1d\]: huh I thought R9 was okay
DrQuantum [13k\]: yes
KoyoToya [-\]: Yes jasch
kmr [2d\]: My Statement: "According to my best knowledge basing on game relay on KGS and USGO webpage, in preliminary round Eric won with Aaron".End of statement for DrNo
jasch [1d\]: thx guys
DrQuantum [13k\]: And I agree with kmr
U [?\]: thats why our us congress is 1 week
DrQuantum [13k\]: :)
]
;B[me]C[gogonuts [4d\]: that was some nice fancy footwork
]
;W[rm]C[DoctorNo [5d\]: white made up a lot
gooooo [?\]: u, then say bo3
U [?\]: but theyll do bo5 is they have time
DoctorNo [5d\]: T5
Mendieta [8k\]: who's ahead?
U [?\]: but they dont do they do bo3
]
;B[so]C[LoneStar [3d\]: l17
rsun [-\]: bo5 is too much for pro exam
gooooo [?\]: but if you are winning can you stall to get less games?
DoctorNo [5d\]: E18
]
;W[lc]C[sinojos [8k\]: too much?
anewtry [2d\]: this was big
]
;B[db]C[anewtry [2d\]: b could connect with l17
LoneStar [3d\]: w had to prevent b l17 this is so obvious!
sinojos [8k\]: goooo, there's your D18 :)
DoctorNo [5d\]: we need 8 dan to analyzing, did B make mistake on right sde under time pressure?
gogonuts [4d\]: still b despite ws large sucess
]
;W[ec]C[Mendieta [8k\]: k2 small?
Mendieta [8k\]: for b I mean
slim76 [1d\]: what is e17?
DoctorNo [5d\]: what is E17?
LoneStar [3d\]: e17?????
DrQuantum [13k\]: strange, even for a kyu
]
;B[eb]
;W[ig]C[DrQuantum [13k\]: i don't get that
royu [4d\]: b mistake
]
;B[jg]C[DoctorNo [5d\]: pro's empty triangle
]
;W[gg]C[royu [4d\]: maybe... let's see
royu [4d\]: now w k17 is sente
jasch [1d\]: im sure USGO made a mistake
]
;B[jh]C[groobiest: m14?
]
;W[hc]C[Luffyy [3d\]: w has to try
jasch [1d\]: or not ^^
Luffyy [3d\]: game over anyway so
slim76 [1d\]: wow
]
;B[hd]
;W[ge]C[U [?\]: w is probably looking for a place to resign at this point
DoctorNo [5d\]: W still aim to vut big group
USGO1 [-\]: b has 2/40
Mendieta [8k\]: So, Eric Lui is the new AGA pro?
jasch [1d\]: b can j17 
slim76 [1d\]: I think w wins now
]
;B[hb]C[gogonuts [4d\]: still doesnt look promising, but b just cant get the final lid on the game
LoneStar [3d\]: b has 1 eye with miai , and 1 more at a13
royu [4d\]: yeah, i think b is still ok
agakenny [3d\]: white is creahed
gogonuts [4d\]: g18 is nothing
DoctorNo [5d\]: if w cut b, b can cut w
gogonuts [4d\]: w must have misread here
DoctorNo [5d\]: smell ko
]
;W[lf]C[USGO5 [-\]: I don't see a mistake... this is what the board looks like
ThiGar [4k\]: w's style is all about aji
SickWilly [2d?\]: K14 and resign
royu [4d\]: well, main danger is if somehow w k17 and live at l15 group... but impossible 
DoctorNo [5d\]: nice job, USGO :-)
agakenny [3d\]: B11
]
;B[bi]
;W[bj]C[jasch [1d\]: sorry USGO i just didnt get e17^^^
agakenny [3d\]: B13
]
;B[bg]C[agakenny [3d\]: corner dead
]
;W[ep]C[DoctorNo [5d\]: no way
DoctorNo [5d\]: no white stone at B4
agakenny [3d\]: F13 kill
U [?\]: last ditch effort
U [?\]: to catch up
]
;B[eq]
;W[es]C[LoneStar [3d\]: ko!
]
;B[ds]
;W[bs]
;B[eo]C[gogonuts [4d\]: d1 better at b1?
]
;W[fp]C[mafutrct [2d?\]: agakenny already correctly predicted with certaincy that P4 is dead
croc [4d\]: lives
agakenny [3d\]: D3
agakenny [3d\]: D5
Eggplant [2d\]: d5
]
;B[dq]C[Eggplant [2d\]: ??
Eggplant [2d\]: why?
DoctorNo [5d\]: D3 calm
USGO1 [-\]: white resigns
groobiest: hah
gogonuts [4d\]: thx
LoneStar [3d\]: seki
ijoplh: gratz to eric
groobiest: i mean, gg
Eggplant [2d\]: :)
agakenny [3d\]: good game, thx
DoctorNo [5d\]: a calm moce leads to resign
Ljys [1d?\]: Finally i get to sleep. :D
lepore [1d\]: congrats to Eric.
jasch [1d\]: congrats to Eric Lui
bert [?\]: thx usgo
USGO1 [-\]: thanks for watching
gogonuts [4d\]: congrats to the new pro!
Ljys [1d?\]: Nice game. :)
polsoy: isn't it best of 5?
USGO1 [-\]: eric lui is our new aga professional
DoctorNo [5d\]: finally
rsun [-\]: does he look thrilled
ThiGar [4k\]: congratulations usgo1
HKA [3d?\]: Eric the man
HKA [3d?\]: taught him everything he knows
Mendieta [8k\]: thanks for the broadcast
Werfeus [5d\]: is it not 2-0 now?
Alife361 [5k?\]: Congrads both! Aaron rulez!
bert [?\]: C'est Lui
USGO5 [-\]: there's not enough time for best of 5 (its in the full rules)
Mendieta [8k\]: bye everybody
groobiest: bye M
gogonuts [4d\]: werfeus, they have a rule that makes the final best of 3 it time is short
LarryG [2d\]: next year Aaron will be the pro
Alife361 [5k?\]: sure
DoctorNo [5d\]: not sure, but eventually
Werfeus [5d\]: i see. w f1 here for more comic to the end?
gogonuts [4d\]: aaron showed how dangerous he can be when his position was already in pieces
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